Not sure if it will help at all but here are some of my observations on each of the types of Fair People that immigrated to the New World....listed in order on page 10. 1.  Elves, etc. * from upper Scandia * brought no jewels, just the casques...therefore, no P/V attached. * Litany of Jewels (LOJ) "Each jewel in its weird-wrought casque: Gift of the Viking craftsmen Elves." 2.  Vazily, etc... * from Poland, Russia, Hungary, Tartary * LOJ "A Topaz is the Russian prize: The royal sunstone, frozen fire." * P12 * met up with Mohicans (in Hudson Valley...ties into NY w/ P12) 3.  Dwarves, etc... * from Germany *LOJ "Dwarves' treasure: purple Amethyst, Imperial star of Germany." *P10 4 & 5.  People O' Peace et all & Leprachauns etc.... * from Scotland & Ireland *LOJ  "Brilliant as eyes of Celtic folk, Cold morning green, their Emerald." *P5 - V12 *****************FOUND IN GRANT PARK - CHICAGO IL************************************ 6.  Fairies etc...... * from England * LOJ  "Fairies of England proudly bear Garned, crown-jewel of their Queen." * P3 * met Catawbas (predominantly in N and S Carolina) 7. Alven etc.... * from the Lowlands - Normandy, Brittany * LOJ  "The Opal of the Lowland Gnomes: A cloud of shining, shifting smoke." * P9 8.  Korreds etc... *  from Coast of Brittany or Aquitane (France) * LOJ  "Turquoise the Fays of France keep: stone Rare as a blue midsummer's day." * P7 9.  Centaurs etc... *  from Hellas/Crete * LOJ  "The Nymphs of Hellas cherish sweet Aquamarine, spring-water clear." * P4 - V4 *************************FOUND GREEK CULTURAL GARDEN - CLEVELAND, OH****************************** 10.  Hadas etc... *  from Iberia * LOJ  "The Hads of Iberia: Sapphire, shy as a wild field flower." * P6 * met the Timucas & Calusas (both indeginous of Florida) 11.  Folletti etc... * from Sardinia, Italy, Sicily * LOJ  "Peridot of old Italy: Antique, and olivine, and rich." * P11 * met the Powhatan (Virginia.. ) 12.  Djinn etc... * from {offmap} Persia? * LOJ  "The Ruby out of Araby: Scarlet of desert sky at dawn." * P8 * went to deserts (they like deserts) of the southwest & were neighbors to people who admired their carpet weaving skills. [Navajo?] 13.  Tree Fairies * from Africa * LOJ  "Africa's Diamond, earth-born star, Bright harvest of the midnight rock." * P2 * met the Caribees (indigenous of New Orleans...hmmm...wrong P...?...) 14. {the not shown:  Prince Yi, Hsi Wang Mu, Shin-seen & the Dragon} * from China/Cathay * LOJ  "From far Cathay, the dragon's Pearl: Chaste, perfect as the silver moon." * P1 (seems to still tie in nicely with the oriental theme & DRAGON ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- so there you have it.  Thinking about opening a new thread for both the Yar-On Tale as well as The Passage if you guys think it may help. guess I just felt like typing

nice job!! wilhouse __________________________________ Byron Preiss, you will not be forgotten

fox wrote:: 13.  Tree Fairies * from Africa * LOJ  "Africa's Diamond, earth-born star, Bright harvest of the midnight rock." * P2 * met the Caribees (indigenous of New Orleans...hmmm...wrong P...?...) I think that "The Vanishing" is clarified in part by "The Passage to the New World", which says that the tree fairies "fluttered down...far from the tribal warfare and slave traders, upon the islands of the Carribees [sic] and the New World's eastern shore." Drew

I decided to carefully read the first 4 chapters of The Secret again today. Following is my page-by-page assessment. Maybe this will job someone's creativity, maybe not. p. 7. Why is Bombay mentioned? None of the wonderstones or fair folk come from India. Is all of Asia considered 'Cathay' for purposes of this tale? p. 7. Only 10 stones are mentioned: "diamond, ruby, pearl, amethyst, emerald, sapphire, peridot, garnet, topaz, aquamarine..." What about the opal and turquoise? p. 13. The French fairies settled in two locations, it seems. Some settled in "the chill and rocky northern coast of the New Found Land" (and by New Found Land they don't necessarily mean Newfoundland / Canada; "New Found Land" refers more generally to the New World on p. 20). The other French emigres settled on "the hot southern shores" amid flamingoes and palm trees. New Orleans is our favorite for the southern settlers. Are the northern settlers in Quebec, and is that significant? pp. 13-14. The Dutch fairies settled along the Hudson in the Catskills. More generally, a reference to New York. p. 14. "Brandan's path" is a reference to St. Brendan the Navigator. From a website : "Brendan and his brothers figure prominently in Brendan's Voyage, a tale of monks travelling the high seas of the Atlantic, evangelizing to the islands, and possibly reaching the Americas in the 6th century." p. 15. The Scottish fairies sailed to "a Nova Scotia," which I take to mean simply a new Scotland, not literally the Canadian province. p. 15. "Land of the Eagle" is apparently a reference to North America. p. 16. The "Pillars of Hercules" is an ancient name for the Strait of Gibraltar. p. 16. The fairies of the Middle East found "...the sunset land -- crimson flowers, crystal fountains, sweet-scented winds -- an Earthly Paradise." Is Houston an Earthly Paradise, wilhouse? p. 17. References are made to butterflies, slaves, and the eastern shore, c.f. Image 2 and Charleston. p. 23. The Russian fairies' meeting the Mohicans is another link between Image 12 and New York, as Fox pointed out some time ago. pp. 28-29. We know the Nootka were in Vancouver (see p. 24). On pp. 28-29 we hear the end of Yo-Rib's tale, in which he rides north from the place where he and the "...strongest and strangest of the Shining Ones" (Chinese fairies?) ended up, at the Great Western Sea (Pacific). If he had to ride north to get to Vancouver from the place where the *last* of the Shining Ones disappeared (presumably San Francisco), that may be evidence that there is *not* a casque in Vancouver. pp. 28-29. What is the deal with the four Indians on one horse, and the horse-theft story? Are we supposed to be familiar with this story from somewhere else? On the middle of p. 29 we are told "The part about the horses, for instance, sounds factual enough..." What is this about, really? I don't get it. p. 32. The verse... "...Keep their ancient places; Turn but a stone, and stir a wing! 'Tis ye, 'tis your estranged faces, That miss the many-splendored thing." ...is a slightly altered version of one verse from Francis Thompson's poem "The Kingdom of God": O WORLD invisible, we view thee, O world intangible, we touch thee, O world unknowable, we know thee, Inapprehensible, we clutch thee! Does the fish soar to find the ocean, The eagle plunge to find the air-- That we ask of the stars in motion If they have rumor of thee there? Not where the wheeling systems darken, And our benumbed conceiving soars!-- The drift of pinions, would we hearken, Beats at our own clay-shuttered doors. The angels keep their ancient places-- Turn but a stone and start a wing! 'Tis ye, 'tis your estrangèd faces, That miss the many-splendored thing. But (when so sad thou canst not sadder) Cry--and upon thy so sore loss Shall shine the traffic of Jacob's ladder Pitched betwixt Heaven and Charing Cross. Yea, in the night, my Soul, my daughter, Cry--clinging to Heaven by the hems; And lo, Christ walking on the water, Not of Genesareth, but Thames!

fox wrote:: Not sure if it will help at all but here are some of my observations on each of the types of Fair People that immigrated to the New World....listed in order on page 10. 1.  Elves, etc. * from upper Scandia * brought no jewels, just the casques...therefore, no P/V attached. * Litany of Jewels (LOJ) "Each jewel in its weird-wrought casque: Gift of the Viking craftsmen Elves." 2.  Vazily, etc... * from Poland, Russia, Hungary, Tartary * LOJ "A Topaz is the Russian prize: The royal sunstone, frozen fire." * P12 * met up with Mohicans (in Hudson Valley...ties into NY w/ P12) 3.  Dwarves, etc... * from Germany *LOJ "Dwarves' treasure: purple Amethyst, Imperial star of Germany." *P10 4 & 5.  People O' Peace et all & Leprachauns etc.... * from Scotland & Ireland *LOJ  "Brilliant as eyes of Celtic folk, Cold morning green, their Emerald." *P5 - V12 *****************FOUND IN GRANT PARK - CHICAGO IL************************************ 6.  Fairies etc...... * from England * LOJ  "Fairies of England proudly bear Garned, crown-jewel of their Queen." * P3 * met Catawbas (predominantly in N and S Carolina) 7. Alven etc.... * from the Lowlands - Normandy, Brittany * LOJ  "The Opal of the Lowland Gnomes: A cloud of shining, shifting smoke." * P9 8.  Korreds etc... *  from Coast of Brittany or Aquitane (France) * LOJ  "Turquoise the Fays of France keep: stone Rare as a blue midsummer's day." * P7 9.  Centaurs etc... *  from Hellas/Crete * LOJ  "The Nymphs of Hellas cherish sweet Aquamarine, spring-water clear." * P4 - V4 *************************FOUND GREEK CULTURAL GARDEN - CLEVELAND, OH****************************** 10.  Hadas etc... *  from Iberia * LOJ  "The Hads of Iberia: Sapphire, shy as a wild field flower." * P6 * met the Timucas & Calusas (both indeginous of Florida) 11.  Folletti etc... * from Sardinia, Italy, Sicily * LOJ  "Peridot of old Italy: Antique, and olivine, and rich." * P11 * met the Powhatan (Virginia.. ) 12.  Djinn etc... * from {offmap} Persia? * LOJ  "The Ruby out of Araby: Scarlet of desert sky at dawn." * P8 * went to deserts (they like deserts) of the southwest & were neighbors to people who admired their carpet weaving skills. [Navajo?] 13.  Tree Fairies * from Africa * LOJ  "Africa's Diamond, earth-born star, Bright harvest of the midnight rock." * P2 * met the Caribees (indigenous of New Orleans...hmmm...wrong P...?...) 14. {the not shown:  Prince Yi, Hsi Wang Mu, Shin-seen & the Dragon} * from China/Cathay * LOJ  "From far Cathay, the dragon's Pearl: Chaste, perfect as the silver moon." * P1 (seems to still tie in nicely with the oriental theme & DRAGON ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- so there you have it.  Thinking about opening a new thread for both the Yar-On Tale as well as The Passage if you guys think it may help. guess I just felt like typing  :P A couple of ideas that I had that I can find no mention anywhere: 1. The "passage to the new world"  specifically mentions the ORDER of ARRIVAL of the immigrants. Scandia, Spain, France, England, Netherlands, Scotland and Ireland, Germany, Russia and Hungary, Italy, Arabia, Africa, Greece and Crete, China. 2. The map has lines from Europe which could be LATITUDE values. There is not one from China but then it says under the map that "not shown Prince Yi ,etc and a dragon" to confirm the omission. any thoughts?

11.  Folletti etc... * from Sardinia, Italy, Sicily * LOJ  "Peridot of old Italy: Antique, and olivine, and rich." * P11 * met the Powhatan (Virginia.. ) ----------- if there/these are clues in the LOJ, the Folletti sure took the long round about way LOL ------------- ------------- Powhatan languages The tribes of the Powhatan confederacy shared mutually intelligible Algonquian languages. The most common was likely Powhatan. Its use became dormant due to the widespread deaths and social disruption suffered by the peoples. Much of the vocabulary bank is forgotten. Attempts have been made to reconstruct the vocabulary of the language using sources such as word lists provided by Smith and by the 17th-century writer William Strachey. Powhatan Renape Nation of New Jersey[edit] Powhatan Renape Nation Crown Prince Emperor El bey Bigbay Bagby Chief Flag of Powhatan Renape The Powhatan Renape Nation are descendants of Powhatan peoples who migrated to present-day southern New Jersey, where they have been concentrated in the areas of Morrisville and Medford.[25] They have been officially recognized as an American Indian tribe by that state since 1980.[8] They have not been officially recognized by the U.S. government.[26] No cognate of Renape was ever recorded for Virginia Algonquian, although the form Renapoaks was recorded for Carolina Algonquian by Ralph Lane in 1586 (as a term used by the inhabitants of Roanoke Island for all those on the mainland).[27] hxxp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powhatan#Capitals_of_the_Powhatan_people Related languages[edit Carolina Algonkian forms a part of the same language group as Powhatan or Virginia Algonquian, a similarly extinct language of the Eastern Algonquian subgroup of the Algonquian language family, itself a member of the Algic language family. Powhatan was spoken by the Powhatan people of tidewater Virginia until the late 18th century, dying out in the 1790s after speakers switched to English hxxp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carolina_A ... n_language Powhatan language Powhatan or Virginia Algonquian is an extinct language belonging to the Eastern Algonquian subgroup of the Algonquian languages. It was spoken by the Powhatan people of tidewater Virginia. It became extinct around the 1790s after speakers switched to English.[1][2] The sole documentary evidence for this language is two short wordlists recorded around the time of first European contact. William Strachey recorded about 500 words and Captain John Smith recorded only about 50 words.[3][4] Smith also reported the existence of a pidgin form of Powhatan, but virtually nothing is known of it.[5] hxxp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powhatan_language Roanoke Island is an island in Dare County on the Outer Banks of North Carolina, United States. It was named after the historical Roanoke Carolina Algonquian people who inhabited the area in the 16th century at the time of English exploration hxxp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roanoke_Island

The narrativ of Yo-Rib of the Yar-On tribe has been tickling my imagination.  Its quite dense if considered as a possible source for hints on what subjects relate to the solutions. The line about a talking bear and the raven that made fun of him for it had me thinking.  Yogi Bear?  Winnie-the-Pooh? Balou?  Ursa?  The raven making fun of the bear for talking sounds like mimicry.

Just in case anybody wanted to dink around with it, the origins and arrivals in a sortable xlsx file: hxxp://www.mediafire.com/download/aizc9 ... bouts.xlsx

Unknown: The Tribespeople, for instance, had deep respect for earth, air, fire, and water, and this was much appreciated by the Fair Folk, who are, as you know, the natural children of those elements; and on the whole, relations between the natives and the Fairy newcomers were cordial. logic puzzle Reading the book pages describing The Vanishing, it reminded me of the famous Zebra Puzzle: hxxp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zebra_Puzzle This a form of Logic grid puzzle: hxxp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logic_puzzle In addition to the immigrant types of fairy, there are also the original Tribes which they interacted with, the names of which are emphasised in italics too: Innuit, Beothuk, Timuca, Calusa, Powhatan, Caribees, Catawba, Cherokee and Teton Sioux, Mohicans, Micmacs, Tuscarora, Canarsie, and Wyandot . So we have fairies from the old world countries with their skills, like woodcraft or archery, pairing up with the tribes. and another possible hint of earth, air, fire, and water to consider: LOTJ gives you the country and jewel link. The birth stones(jewels) match the month number and flower and in my view the Zodiac. All that needs to be done now is plot all this on a logic grid.

Hirudiniforme wrote:: Just in case anybody wanted to dink around with it, the origins and arrivals in a sortable xlsx file: hxxp://www.mediafire.com/download/u5aos ... bouts.xlsx What, you been ruminating on the Spirit of 76? Heretic.

I just replaced that xlsx file of the whereabouts because the origins were off by one off (for a number or reasons). Fixing it made me realize that one of the peoples is not in alphabetical order. The Pre-Revolutionary Warlock. Mostly unrelated, I wonder about this...

I was going to suggest that maybe they did not have time to finish an index but then I found page 56 -57 in my book gives a classification of the fair people and the page number. The Pre-Revolutionary Warlock is listed under Cultural and is described on page 100. The pdf scan stops at page 55.

wk wrote:: logic puzzle Reading the book pages describing The Vanishing, it reminded me of the famous Zebra Puzzle: hxxp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zebra_Puzzle This a form of Logic grid puzzle: hxxp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logic_puzzle In addition to the immigrant types of fairy, there are also the original Tribes which they interacted with, the names of which are emphasised in italics too: Innuit, Beothuk, Timuca, Calusa, Powhatan, Caribees, Catawba, Cherokee and Teton Sioux, Mohicans, Micmacs, Tuscarora, Canarsie, and Wyandot . So we have fairies from the old world countries with their skills, like woodcraft or archery, pairing up with the tribes. and another possible hint of earth, air, fire, and water to consider: LOTJ gives you the country and jewel link. The birth stones(jewels) match the month number and flower and in my view the Zodiac. All that needs to be done now is plot all this on a logic grid. Unknown: For slow centuries, the exotic Dracs and Fadas from the Riviera had sported and dozed on the beaches of newfound Florida. Perhaps the metalclashing landfall of the Conquistadores took them by surprise, and they fled without taking time to disenchant their Fountain of Youth .... This paragraph from page 30 of the book is the sort of logic puzzle statement which is interpreted as "Spanish FOY and NOT French tribe"

fox wrote:: 11.  Folletti etc... * from Sardinia, Italy, Sicily * LOJ  "Peridot of old Italy: Antique, and olivine, and rich." * P11 * met the Powhatan (Virginia.. ) "There were, to be sure, some unfortunate conflicts and skirmishes. The Italian immigrant Falletti and the indigenous Powhatan engaged, briefly, in a sort of guerilla gang war over fishing rights off the peninsula of what is now called New Jersey." (p. 22) Deputy Paolo Falletti was featured in several articles of different Boston newspapers in 1904, listed as a Boston Italian asking for repatriation support from Italy for Boson's North End population. hxxp://scholarworks.umb.edu/cgi/viewcon ... ers_theses https://books.google.com/books?id=b9FOZ ... ti&f=false I couldn't find a connection to fishing rights with the Powhatan's of New Jersey, but I did find the USS Powhatan was built and the Boston shipyards. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Powhatan_(YT-128 )

forest_blight wrote:: I decided to carefully read the first 4 chapters of The Secret again today. Following is my page-by-page assessment. Maybe this will job someone's creativity, maybe not. p. 7. Why is Bombay mentioned? None of the wonderstones or fair folk come from India. Is all of Asia considered 'Cathay' for purposes of this tale? ... I have a pet theory that Bombay is mentioned because there's a reference to cricket. Bombay (Mumbai) had one of the top winning teams for three decades 1950-1980. I'm thinking of V10 and the line about whirring as it might link to a place near Brockton cricket field.