I think the layout and landscaping has changed significantly since 1981 in that area. If you look at the aerial images on the wiki page, you can see how much has changed.

Josh, I would very much like for you to be correct. Could you take to map screenshot and circle the location? Hot linking doesn't always work. When I followed your link in the other post, it just went to a generic location in the park.

JoshCornell wrote:: my guess is 3 are winged elms...though there may be 5 trees there now, its got to be in the middle of them (3 winged elms, and 4th tree of unknown origin). I was there on Sunday. I am confused by where you think it is I have video and photos from Sunday. I walked all around the lake shooting video Please be more specific. THE 982 moved from one spot to another after Byron Priess buried the casque. Which 982 spot are you talking about. Your link shows the Southeast part of the lake. Can you post a photo\\ YOUR THEORY. if you start at the 982 spot of 1982 and go due west? you would hit the miniature train depot I have photos of the tree right next to the train depot. Your guess is wrong. They are not winged elm trees what about the part THrough the wood". what does that mean. Your solution does not address that Your conclusion is quite rudimentary and uninformed

so many people have proposed this.... there have been an insane number of digs there. Next solution please.

Again I was there on Sunday. I dug in a set of trees that was in line with the Miller theater and the old fountain location I know you are new but the you already know the fountain changed locations too Google maps is different than being on the ground in the park Sorry. I am not aware of LYKES GROVE It is not labeld on google maps nor is there ea sign a t the park Your solution lacks any merit Post a photo of the location on a map. I will post photos of the trees you are talking about

well I dug in the tree just about 10 north of the current train depot I dug in a group of trees west of the MOT I have dug.. read the post. you will see the photos of the places I have dug can you tell which trees are pines and which are not on google maps 80 of the trees are pines. of the 20 percent that aren't pines. about 15 % of those have been planted since the hurricane in 2002 or 2003 those trees are about 6 ft high. There are not many non pine trees in Herman that are older than 35 years are you talking over play the playground area west of the lake if I go due west of where 982 was. I walk on nothing but brick and cement so your explanation does not work with the facts. I have been there this weekend. I know the area well. I would hope your lengthy explanation would help instead you use lyke grove which nobody in Houston Herman uses today Can you use current landmarks and locations

https://imgur.com/a/waI2Q Lykes grove is A But I think he is talking about B.

Yes I got east and west wrong sorry

okay. so you take your task to the 982 what about the rest? thought the wood? what does that mean in your solution? small of scale step across? what does that mean in your solution? Persepective should not be lost? what does that mean BTW. you can not see the MOT from that spot. There are many old pine tree in the way What about what falls gently in the December night? whats your take? You fail to articulate what the clues mean and how they got you to the spot. In Chicago and Cleveland. the clues lead you to a very specific spot. 1 ft x 1 ft

I am sorry but your posted solution is weak at best You step by step solution I feel does not addresss all the lines and address them adequately I really don't see the casque being buried in broad daylight right in front of the zoo That is the most crowded place in HERMAN Park The other solved casque were buried a lot more secluded

that would be in the lake.? I still don't know where Lykes grove is that is not currently a common used term in Houston or Herman park are you local. lets meet down at the park or send a general area of what you mean you don't make sense. if yo did. I would not need to respond. YOU FUCKING RETARD

I LOOK ON HERMAN PARK WEBSITE THE 982 WAS IN WHAT IS NOW REFERED TO LAKE PLAZA IT WAS NEVER IN LYKES GROVE. LYKES GROVE IS ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE LAKE THE 982 WAS IN LAKE PLAZA. LYKES GROVE IS DIRECTLY INFRONT OF AND PARTIALY TO WEST OF THE ZOO ENTRANCE

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JoshCornell wrote:: not entirely sure where you are saying it was? smack dab in the middle? or....? Thats an aerial photo of the park. What he is saying is that your spot wasn't around in the early 80's damn I knew the lake was different... I didn't know it was THAT different!

Here is an aerial photo of Herman park The 982 is almost directly west of the zoo entrance IN 1981. The LAKE PLAZA and LYKES Grove are non existent as you can see in the photo below, during renovation the area directly in front of the zoo entrance has been enlarged. Landfill was added to the lake to creat the new area and the area directly northeast of the zoo entrance was landfilled to to create the little point that extends into the lake as you can see. there is quite a large parking lot covering most of the southwest border of the lake there is about 10 to fifteen ft area in between the zoo and the lake That large black line due west of the zoo entrance is the wall of the zoo between the wall and the lake in 1982 there was no Lykes Grove. The one large tree in front of the zoo is gone I am post a time-lapse aerial video of the park so you can see what was there in 1982 and what is there now

so just to be clear here what you are saying in 1982 Preiss buried the casque somewhere in the 10 x 15 area that was right next to a very large parking lot and the zoo entrance, in between the zoo wall and the lake?

This was the point I was making earlier when I said that the park has changed substantially, near where the train used to sit.

Here is a video of the time lapse changes in Herman park from 1982 to 2017 https://vimeo.com/252589432

gManTexas wrote:: This was the point I was making earlier when I said that the park has changed substantially, near where the train used to sit. are you trying to convince me?

so you are saying lykes grove is on the west side of the lake and zoo entrance

Sorry I am not understanding you Lykes grove today is on the west side of the lake are you saying lykes grove was on the east side of the lake 1982

I don't see where you exactly pinpointed the spot you was left maybe right. maybe another group of trees are you changing your SOLUTION

JoshCornell wrote:: but you should be able to deduce that from the types of trees, if they haven't changed. if youre actually there on the ground. its in that spot, just need to find the right trees. If you are actually on the ground? did you DEDUCE from google maps what kind of trees they are? if you know. why would you need to see what type of trees they are? DID YOU FIND THE RIGHT TREES? I am sorry your rock solid solution seems to be changing and I starting to think you are a joke

the little land that kicks out was not there in 1982

are you suggesting the casque is buried in the trees that are in the 10 feet strip of land between the parking lot on the southwest of McGovern lake and the water edge?

You can not see the Miller theater from your spot In 1982 it would be even more difficult to see I spoke to the Train driver of the miniature train in Herman park He said most of the trees were felled after the 2002 hurricane. If you cant see it now with less trees. How could you see it 1982 with more trees in the way If you are on the ground OR IF YOU READ MY POST you would see photos taken in between the MOT and where you suggestion. I could not see your spot from the MOT. and I could not see the MOT from where you suggest on the south west part of the lake. Standing on the north rim of the lake the MOT is obscured by trees I tried standing on the southwest corner of the lake and looking to were the fountain was with a line straight to the MOT. I drew a straight line. I could not see the MOT The pines trees still left are 100 feet high. EVERY BEEN TO Houston? It is full of old tall pines trees. I you read my earlier post you would know the area north east of the lake ws called the PINEY WOODS

JoshCornell wrote:: thats what I'm saying...so you ignore it...like its not even there...you just continue going back to where there was land and trees in 1982...that seems to be what is now the left bottom corner as opposed to upper right corner of the finger. I'm saying its in the trees on the image I posted directly above. to the left of the V of the path, as it veers into the finger that now exists...as it stands now. very possible it was disturbed in redevelopment though. Thanks. I will go dig in your spot tomorrow

if I am correct. in your link there is concrete path going east to west. and a dirt path goes to the north are you saying it is to the west of the dirt path going north and north of path going west to west IF so that was a paved concrete parking lot in 1982 There is one tree there There was never 4 trees. So in your solution what is in the center of 4 alike. in your area there could 4 cars because it was parking lot the the east of the dirt path is a tree that was there 1in 1982. it appears to be by itself So again clarify

watch the video I posted. put your finger on the spot and let it fade to 1982. you are in a parking lot You solution is week. I cant imagine burying the casque two feet from a parking lot the Chicago casque was 13 feet from Jackson drive but it was sunken and ideal for digging a hole your "SOLUTION" does not really account for the fact that the other two casques THAT WERE REAALY FOUND (not talking about you) the diggers were able to go unnoticed as they dug. sorry. your solution does not even come close to addressing any of the verse the location in 1982 or any bars in reality google maps is great but the park is much different when you walk around