Not that this will be a new thought, but it is something to remember with all that are left. I believe that all of the images are maps. All of the jewels and where they are positioned on the image pin point the buried casques. I have the map of the site that matches exactly image 9.  It is a work of beauty. We known that Cleveland and Chicago and Milwaulkee and City Zoo are maps of varying perspectives and distances from ground level.  So that makes five of the tweleve. And a strong suspision of Charlestown. Review the left over images and see them as maps. (keep in mind that it could be as close as a zoo map or as far as the Charlestown road map)

There is no suspicion where Charleston is concerned - the mask DOES contain a map of Charleston, no question. The issue is whether or not the cypress twig is a second map. I am equally convinced that Image 1 contains a map of the city blocks around Coit Tower in San Francisco. For me, the images that definitely contain maps are: Image 1 - San Francisco, CA (in dragon's scales) Image 2 - Charleston, SC (on mask) Image 3 - Roanoke Island, NC (island outline) Image 4 - Ohio (state outline) The others are just conjectural as far as I'm concerned. If I were the artist I think I would be very tempted to include something map-like in every image, and to make it as obscure as possible, but I haven't seen any hard evidence for maps in images past 4. What is it about Images 4 and 5 that tell you that the position of the jewel pinpoints their actual locations? Since we know precisely where those two casques were found, can you use those as evidence for your theory? If you're right, the rest should fall like dominoes...

In my mind, Image 8 is a map of the children's zoo in the hermann park zoo.  The details match very closely to the actual landmarks in the zoo.  There is no way you would know it if you weren't standing in one exact spot in the CZ. So to add to the list above, Image 8:  map of the Houston Hermann Park children's zoo. wilhouse

As Wilhouse points out, "in my mind" is hard to fully explain.. but image 8 and image 9 are what I will refer to as Venue map representations... not the kind from mapquest or a road atlas, but the kind you would pick up at the entrance to find your way. Like this selection for image 9.

Shown upside down, but orientated as the image 9 is. The spires are above the grandstand along the race track (where the hands are clasped) Not identified in this image, but above and to the right, just before gate 1, is a huge statue of Aristedes, the first winner of the Derby, who was ridden by a negro jockey. Aristedes, like the pin, is orientated as facing the race track. Running away from the paddock. To the left is a identified garden area. This makes the upper portion of this pavillion, where the hat is in the image, the paddock. I am sure Wilhouse has seen a similar map of the zoo which outlines where the totems and the animals are housed. These images are certainly a different perspective than street level (like Milwaukee) or city level (like Charelstown).

Trohn wrote:: I am sure Wilhouse has seen a similar map of the zoo which outlines where the totems and the animals are housed MP was very sneaky on image 8.  The zoo animals on the totems are not in the CZ, but in the zoo proper, though oriented in the same directions as the totems.  also, the fountain was never part of any maps, nor were the totems.  finally, the totem with the sphere is, IMHO, really the globe lights hanging from the party house. when you look from one specific spot, they appear to be on top of a pillar that is outside of the party room. Image 8 depends on your perspective, but if the jewel is where I think it is, then it is a map. wilhouse

re: the Downs map..... I still just dont see it. Am I the only one?  I still think, as Cat conjectured so long ago, that all of the casques will be buried in port cities.

As I read, the port city hypothesis didn't have so much to do about water but about immigration.  (Case in point, Chicago and Milwaukee would not be considered 'ports') While Louisville is on the Ohio River, its inclusion within this hypothesis should be that Churchill Downs (actually the Louisville Jockey Club) was established to replicate the Ebsom Derby of England. It is the oldest continuously running horse race in America. As was said in another thread, the only real convincing is pulling it out of the ground... or as another friend said.."Never fear, it is there.  Have faith." I started this particular thread to help with the remaining images.  While I have this particular site for a little over a month, it has only been in the last few days that I have recognized the specifics in the image as a representation of a map. As Wilhouse stated, BP is particularly clever in disguising it.  All of the jewels are placed in their particular images for a purpose.  Originally I had thought the images would only get you close and the verses would guide you, but now I see that you really do not need one OVER the other, each reinforces as long as you are seeing from the perspective the Preiss is seeing. I image that Preiss went to his sites, buried the casques, took his photos, and then went back to Brooklyn armed with his memeory, his photos, an atlas and schetched out the clues.  He selected sites with history and longevity at his disposal. Back to the gnome... HAT HAT HAT jewel HAT HAT [paddock area/stalls] flower                                  X pin [garden-no longer exists]          [gate 15,turnstyles] e s r o h [statue of Aristedes,first winner ridden by negro jocky,with this orientation - running towards track] hands [two steeples, above the grandstands] My aim here is to not argue for this site, because I have no doubts about this is where it is, like Wilhouse, extracting it, may be a completely another tail, but the interest at the site is high. My aim is to use what we know, that is common, and nail down the remaining maps of the remaining sites.

Yes, I feel good about this.

again, in my defense, Salt Lake City is on a body of water.  Also, SLC is a settlement of a unique People, not immigrants to this country, but emmigrants forced to move to a new promised land by religious differences. I'm sorry I cannot support horse racing as being in the same theme as the Fairy People in the book.

Oops, sorry, forgot about SLC. I've added it in the map above. That brings the total in the map to 12, and that doesn't include the Canadian casque, which we think may lie in Vancouver or Quebec.

Trohn wrote:: X pin [gate 15,turnstyles] ?? X = 10.  Dont get me wrong Trohn, I would LOVE to see another casque unearthed....it just doesnt feel right to me like some of the other leads. Good Luck,

I have a few observations about P4. Even though this one is solved, this might yield insight into how the others can be solved. First is a question about the quote by John Jude Palencar from Egbert's Plain Dealer article: "There was something to do with the helmet that the centaur wears, but I can't remember what. My God, it's 22 years later." Did anyone ever figure that one out? Does the helmet resemble anything from the Greek or Italian gardens? This could be important for solving the others. The second is not a question so much as a clarification of the reasoning I think went into making P4. The Plain Dealer article states, "The flower and the tiny bell ... stand for Bellflower Road, which is just southeast of the Greek garden." I don't think this is true. To me, the bell is a clue that the "L" stands for "Liberty," the former name of Martin Luther King, Jr. Drive (which the article also states). So that accounts nicely for the presence of the bell in P4 - a very good clue indeed. It strikes me as odd to also use it in conjunction with the daffodil to form "Bellflower Road." By my estimation Bellflower Rd. is an obscure little road 1.6 miles away (as the fairy flies) from the Greek and Italian Cultural Gardens, with many intervening roads, and hence cannot be a clue or confirmer of any sort. The flower (which we know is a daffodil, not a generic flower) is merely the birthflower of March and has no other significance to the solution. Third, the "ball and triangle" apparently pulls double-duty in P4. First, the Plain Dealer article claims it is a clue to Euclid Ave. (Euclid being the father of geometry) and to the month of March (aquamarine's month), since triangles have three sides and there is nothing else in P4 to denote March. But the ball and triangle would never have evoked "Euclid" had the theme of this picture not been Greek . There may be some value in trying to interpret aspects of the pictures in light of the relevant cultures. To recap, these are: P1 : China P2 : Africa P3 : England P4 : Greece P5 : Ireland P6 : Spain P7 : France P8 : Arabia P9 : Holland P10 : Germany P11 : Italy P12 : Russia In P4, knowing the relevant culture could actually help one solve the puzzle (Greek garden, Euclid). Was the same true of Chicago? Any other picture? In Verse 8 we have a mention of "wonderstone's hearth," which leads us to G ermany. So there are precedents for this idea, but can we use these to generate new ideas? For example, are masks used in P2 simply because they evoke African art, or could there be some more specific reason?

forest_blight wrote:: ...First is a question about the quote by John Jude Palencar from Egbert's Plain Dealer article: "There was something to do with the helmet that the centaur wears, but I can't remember what. My God, it's 22 years later." Did anyone ever figure that one out? Does the helmet resemble anything from the Greek or Italian gardens? This could be important for solving the others... Was it the fountain (upside-down)?  Actually, the chalice looks more like the fountain....I could be wrong. hxxp://share.dell.shutterfly.com/action ... 5216814150

Your link doesn't take me anywhere, but you may be thinking of the cup, which matches the fountain in the Italian garden. The helmet must be something else.

forest_blight wrote:: For example, are masks used in P2 simply because they evoke African art, or could there be some more specific reason? Dont forget, Charleston is the "Ellis Island" for the African Americans.

I wasn't questioning the relevance of Africa. That's clearly the theme here, and the immigration theme pervades all 12 Ps. But is there some specific tie between the culture and the casque's location through the picture? For example: "Greece + triangle = Euclid... therefore Euclid Ave. in Cleveland." How about: "Africa + mask = ___?___... therefore... ___?___." That kind of logic.

forest_blight wrote:: Your link doesn't take me anywhere, but you may be thinking of the cup, which matches the fountain in the Italian garden. The helmet must be something else. I was told by the Greek Garden caretakers that there used to be 2 large urns or cups on either side of the wall.  It could be that the helmet was what they looked like.  I also think that explains the word "couplet" in the verse. "Liberty" sits better with me too, rather than "Bellflower."  I guess we'll never know. On your map, you may also want to include St. Louis.

It is fitting, by the way, that the Greek Cultural Garden has a tree called the " Byron Tree ."