Here it goes Image 9 verse 5 the new and improved version Let’s do the verse 5 first. Lane = Road by definition Two twenty two = Thought it was the address but then again it could be the room number inThe Hotel Chateau Frontenac in Quebec City.or if you google the address 222 Rue de St. Louis you get the outer wall of old Quebec town , so maybe he was standing on top of the wall or walking along the wall top perimeter You will see the arc of lights = looking south from the upper floors of the hotel or from the old city wall you will see the lights that surround the Joan of Arc garden . Another possibility is the fact that 222 Rue de St. Louis is the main gateway ( portal),or road into old Quebec town and the roof of this entrance way is arched and illuminated Weight and roots extended together saved this site of granite walls =this is a sunken garden surrounded by trees that help stabilize the garden and is a protected site. The inside of the garden are granite retaining walls. Also weight can refer to the fact that people put there weight or influence behind getting the garden and monument built or he simply could be referencing to the walls of old quebec city itself Wind swept halls = The park is located on top of a hill and the Plains of Abraham are mostly lawn, so lots of wind and halls is another word for an armory by US definition. Citadel in the night = The Citadel can be seen looking south out the hotel window or From the wall. A wingless bird ascends = Joan of Arc ascended to Sainthood and the British slang for a girl is bird. Born of ancient dreams of flight = Joan had visions of Archangel Michael and others. So the 1400’s event is ancient and so are the people she had dreams of. Beneath the only standing member of a forest = Joan is standing up on the horse and this garden is surrounded by lots of trees, you may even call it a forest. It is beneath since the trees are tall and the monument is in a sunken garden. To the south white stone closet = Closet is the short form for water closet , that’s French for toilet or washroom to you and me . So if you look to the south end of the garden you will see the public toilets in the white stone building. At twelve paces from the west side dig here = This one might be a bit tricky but my guess would be 12 paces ( 30 feet ) from the Joan of Arc monument dig here , to be more precise I would venture to say from the north west corner of the monument since a lot of the hints come off the north side of the monument, other possibilities are from the west side of the garden itself or the west side of the public toilet ( too much in the open here), it’s probably under one of the flagstones.So you could sit on the benches by the base of the steps and lift up a stone dig a bit and drop it down if anyone came by ,I’m only suggesting it’s under a stone since there is a controversy if a garden is a flower bed or not ,If I was granted permission I would poke into the garden first just to make sure. there is more cover here and not so obvious or suspicious. Get permission = Now this park is heavily signed against anyone disturbing the ground ( it’s a historic battlefield area ), and fines or jail time for those caught doing so. Good luck and get permission first. Now for the image 9: The hat is a French beret and on the hat right side is a squiggly line that is dark, that is the outline of Joan of Arcs’ nose, lips and chin when you are looking up at the statue from below. You can see this image on some of the photos people submit to trip advisor, the photo is taken from the north side of the monument with the camera pointing up and the sun shining down then the face of Joan becomes a black silhouette. The shape of the mouth ( left side of image),could represent ( Now this is a big guess),the roadway at the southern end of ile d’Orleans ( Orleans island),in the St. Lawrence river by Quebec City . Now just a bit north of that is Grosse Isle, this is the island that housed the Irish famine refugees ( immigration),back in 1845 - 1849. The arm sticking out on the right side represent the hill that Quebec City is built on. All those checkerboards represents the granite stone work of Quebec City. The checkerboard on the cuffs represents the sides of the granite walls inside the garden. The steps below the collar are the steps going down into the garden on each side( count them). If you notice the steps on the right side of image they have an extra line in them. This represents the fact that there are two sets of steps on the east side ( right side of image),and one set on the west side of the garden, (left side of image). The hatchet line pattern above the image of steps represents the streets inside walled old Quebec town. The collar represents the lamp post lights that are outside the garden 2 different shapes, ( they could have been for the inside garden lights if they had been replaced since), now if you look at the very bottom of the collar you will see lines crisscross each other one going to the stairs on the right and one going to the stairs on the left , this may or may not represent the number or location of lamp posts ( the shapes),on the east and the number of lamp posts on the west side of the garden on the streets, or the shape of the collar may represent the shield on the front of the Joan of Arc monument, ( it is at the very center of the garden). The white shirt squiggles represents the St. Lawrence river on the right and Montmorency falls ( profile),on the left. The symbols with the hands most likely represents the shapes of a piece of the flagstone walkway in the garden ( see google earth) and may be the spot were the treasure lays, especially with the crossed fingers ,X marks the spot or the X could represent the number 10 for the 10th month ( October) ,other possibility it has something to do with the shape of the roof (two peaks),at the park administration bldg. (ask before you dig, cross your fingers and hope you get the green light to dig ) by the south east corner of the garden or the roof panels covering the information signs by the garden. The flower represents the flower garden and I think more specifically the Mexican sunflower , one of the photos on google shows the information sign for the flowers grown there and this one is almost an exact match, also some of the photos show bright red flowers growing around the monument that look like this flower The number 76 on the flower can be seen on the north side and the south side of the monument of Joan of Arc ( one inFrench and one in English ).The inscribed date reads1760 and is found directly below the horses left rear hoof ( the location of the 76 at the bottom of the flower means number can be found at the lower level of the garden) ,another possibility is that it could be a backward musical note, they do hold summer concerts in the park. The square with the dog image, the square represents the Joan of Arc garden ,multiple lines because it is a muli level garden ,the dog represents the fact that people bring their dogs there or more likely it is a stylized wolf for General Wolfe who fought in the battle that the park is associated with and the monument is dedicated to. Also in the image is a horses leg and this is the left rear leg of the horse that Joan of Arc is standing on ( found in the centre of the park) the fact that it sticks out past the square says that monument sticks out high up in the garden or it is pointing down at the number 76 . I see what they mean by the legeater dog at the Montreal site,(1440 Drummond St). I would call it a wolf in the image9 and it looks more like a cat ( mountain lion?),at the Montreal site. The black blob (as some call it), in the corner of the square is a stylized police car since it is heavily policed and since the car is located in the lower right of the square this would be the location of the park administration bldg. ie the park police southeast corner of the garden. Now some say the blob image use to be a Fleur de Lys on the original painting. The Fleur de Lys can be seen on the front of the monument of Joan of Arc. The next square with the cross and symbols is a bit trickier , but my guess is they represent a walkway crossing a road or an intersection I thought it might have something to with the road intersection by the park administration office . The thing that looks like a backward 4 is actually an icon for a flag ( the Canadian flag at the administration bldg. ) and the peaked looking symbol ( or a stylized i ),the roof top of the information stand opposite corner to the park administration bldg , another possibility and probably more likely is that it has something to do with the flagstone walkway or something else in the garden since it is in a same looking square as the one with the dog ( wolf),and horses leg and close to the steps of the garden.This may be the final clue as to the exact spot to dig. Well good luck in finding it and ask for permission from the park administration office first. ADDED NOTE: There are small information signs ( plaques),posted around the inside of the garden explaining the history of the garden, park , and Joan of Arc. I cant see all the information or pictures that are on these signs and only snippets of the signs can be seen on trip advisor photos and google photos posted by tourists. There maybe more info on those signs that pertain to the clues in the image 9. One of those signs talks about Joan of Arcs vision of Archangel Michael ( as I posted above).As well someone mentioned about the fact that the smile on the image curves up then down indicating comedy and tradgedy ( ie theater ), well there is a opera house to the south east of the park but I think it may have more to do with Quebec city being the busker capital ( street entertainers). Even the location of the individuals head on the image in relation to the St Lawrence river says it is located above Montreal. The numbers in the hair may have to do with dates when the garden was built ,location ,battles or dates on those signs,etc.these might show up on those information plaques in and around the garden. Another thing was somebody mentioned the word “fee fairy” is written in the background of the image somewhere, now there are signs that they post up during Halloween as well as ghoulish displays and one of the signs reads “fee fairy”. I think he picked this area since it had already been dug up when they made the sunken garden. Now a lot of years have gone by and some things may have changed so take that into account.

Nice write up. Couple of thoughts. 1. The Verse should read White stone closest as in nearby, not a closet like a toilet. 2. What do you make of the coordinates potentially in the hair that call out 73, 45 (Montreal)? 3. I like the shape on the beret as being a face, just not sure whose face it is. 4. The legeater and now revealed fleur-de-lis (from EU footage) is a tough thing to not be MSC. 5. Historic battlegrounds and the threat of jail for digging is a pretty big red flag. All in all, I like this creative theory. Just not sure it is the correct location.

1. The closet like I say is short for WC or water closet and if you google the image you can see it is constructed with white stone 2. Not 100% sure how the supposed numbers fit in but I think the garden was built in 1937. Like I said there may be reference to the numbers on those plaques 3. The outline of the nose,lips, and chin can be seen on one of the trip advisor photos taken from the north side of the monument looking up and into the sunlight giving it a black image. It is Joan of Arcs face. 4. The dog is a wolf . Google “ images “for wolf 5. The garden area has already been disturbed so my guess would be that this section of the park would be safer to dig in . They do plant flowers and shrubs here so it can’t be off limits totally to digging

Diceycat wrote:: 1. The closet like I say is short for WC or water closet and if you google the image you can see it is constructed with white stone 2. Not 100% sure how the supposed numbers fit in but I think the garden was built in 1937. Like I said there may be reference to the numbers on those plaques 3. The outline of the nose,lips, and chin can be seen on one of the trip advisor photos taken from the north side of the monument looking up and into the sunlight giving it a black image. It is Joan of Arcs face. 4. The dog is a wolf . Google “ images “for wolf 5. The garden area has already been disturbed so my guess would be that this section of the park would be safer to dig in . They do plant flowers and shrubs here so it can’t be off limits totally to digging Uh, maybe I'm reading the book wrong, but I'm pretty sure the word is closest, not closet.

if they plant flowers in it isn't it a public flower bed and therefore not a possible spot? also, its been well established by myself and whoever found the first part...that the wingless ascent relates to the Hot Air Balloon flight from Griffintown SW of GSM.

also please stop calling it the legeater...its the garibaldi candelabra. lol

hatch pattern is off the building in the GSM by MSH. the one identified by drunknerds...could be on wall too...but in the context of the clue and puzzle we know it def relates to the building id'd by drunknerds.

How about closest being a typo? or could still be referring to toilets (white stone bldg. ),closest or there is or was a white stone in the garden

Another theory would be the displays they have in the garden could relate to the line “to the south white stone closest”. There are displays they put up each Fall ( October) and one of them is “ The White lady of Cape Diamond “.She can be found just south of the steps leading into the garden from the west side. Just a thought.

Diceycat wrote:: How about closest being a typo? or could still be referring to toilets (white stone bldg. ),closest or there is or was a white stone in the garden That line of thinking would open a huge can of worms. In that case people can start interpreting the verses however they see fit. I would like to think that the copy proof readers would have gone through the Verses a bunch of times with a fine tooth comb to ensure they were correct.

Well if there is no error in the book then is it a black blob or a Fleur de Lys in the image? The Joan of Arc statue was donated in 1937 and the garden it self was built in 1938

Diceycat wrote:: Well if there is no error in the book then is it a black blob or a Fleur de Lys in the image? The Joan of Arc statue was donated in 1937 and the garden it self was built in 1938 Good point. And, thanks. I'm gonna start changing words at will, in all of the verses.....Poughkeepsie, here I come!!!!

That 76 in the flower could just as easily read 46 and this would fit in for one of the coordinates. The 73 in the hair could also represent Hwy 73 , the main Hwy. that goes through into Quebec City. As far as digging in a flower bed is a no no this is a garden ( flowers are not everywhere in this garden, lots of grass and stone as well),and the Cleveland plexiglass box was found in a planter box , would you call that a flower bed?

Mister EZ wrote:: Good point. And, thanks. I'm gonna start changing words at will, in all of the verses.....Poughkeepsie, here I come!!!!

Diceycat wrote:: That 76 in the flower could just as easily read 46 and this would fit in for one of the coordinates. The 73 in the hair could also represent Hwy 73 , the main Hwy. that goes through into Quebec City. As far as digging in a flower bed is a no no this is a garden ( flowers are not everywhere in this garden, lots of grass and stone as well),and the Cleveland plexiglass box was found in a planter box , would you call that a flower bed? no. its a 76 and 67 (expo 67 centennial and 76 olympics)

the black blob WAS a fleur de lis, covered up. as the black blob it def is a ref to the domed cathedral by Dorchester Square (Mary Queen of Scots, if i recall correctly) and the Saint Josephs Oratory, one of the largest domes in the world...possibly also the habitat 67 building across from the waterfront...

Let me put this out there. The part of the verse “ A wingless bird ascended” To me reading this line sounds like a one time event related to one bird or just one “balloon” ,(as some speculate it has to do with a balloon flight) .Do they fly balloons from that park in Montreal in October and we’re they flying balloons there in 1980? and wouldn’t flying a balloon business be something that could be very temporary and possibly gone the next year. Reading the other lines in the verse it almost sounds like he is referring to a time late in the evening. Balloon rides usually occur early in the early morning on calm days. Again to me if the line read “Where wingless birds ascend” then that would make more sense it could relate to balloon flights. The last two lines in the verse “ Get permission ,To dig”. Of the twelve verses this is the only verse that says get permission before you dig, so it must be very critical to do that . Not some random park . Lastly the line White stone closest”,(OK I’ll admit that I got the wording closet and closest wrong), but I still think it relates to this area either the white stone washroom bldg., or the flagstone walkway (shapes made by hand in image). Another less probable guess would be that display of the White lady of Cape Diamond” or the fact they paint white foot prints on the side walk (can be seen in some of those online photos).

I’ll admit that the south tip of ile Sainte Helene (Montreal), looks like a possible location but to me too many other clues point to Quebec City . Also didn’t he say something about people walking dogs ( more residential ?),hiding under leaves (lots of trees),and police presence . In the online image I have a hard time making out the 4 in the hair, maybe in the book it is more defined. There seem to be letters,(words ),in the hair on the left side of the image does anyone know what the letters are? I still think it looks like a old type police car with the cherry on top

Is he referring to the forest being south or the white stone closest? I think it’s the forest .Still think it’s 12 paces from the west side of the monument under a flagstone.

More to add and this might be a bit of a guess . The J in the hair above the eye on the left side of the image stands for Joan and that symbol to the right of it is an stylized shape of an Arc lamp ( see American Electric, Thomson- Houston Arc Lamp 1880s). So there you have Joan and Arc. Just below that Joan Arc is the image of a face looking up at Joan Arc ,with some sort of head covering ,shawl, this could represent “ The White Lady of Cape Diamond “ and the fact that she is looking at Joan Arc she is also looking at Joan of Arc when on display in the garden ( some photos show The White lady of Cape Diamond situated between the two stair cases on the east side of garden facing the Joan of Arc monument ).

Diceycat wrote:: More to add and this might be a bit of a guess . The J in the hair above the eye on the left side of the image stands for Joan and that symbol to the right of it is an stylized shape of an Arc lamp ( see American Electric, Thomson- Houston Arc Lamp 1880s). if it was an accurate diagram of an arc lamp, I would buy it. but "stylized" is too vague, I don't think it looks anything like an arc lamp. - and without that, just a J could be for anything. I think this is an example of trying to make the clues fit your pre-conceived theory, and you are forcing it a bit...

It’s just a guess unless someone has a better one out there. Everything is theory until you uncover the box.

Unknown: Everything is theory until you uncover the box. And even then, the issue is far from settled. Just look at Cleveland and Chicago. Having said that, some theories are more promising than others and less likely to lead to random spots to dig.

Can anyone break down each line in verse 5 or any other unsolved verse for that matter and tell me how it relates to Montreal and the place to dig?

Diceycat wrote:: Can anyone break down each line in verse 5 or any other unsolved verse for that matter and tell me how it relates to Montreal and the place to dig? There are many potential solves. I've put up some. Use the search box, it works pretty good.

yep I'm in montreal to dig it up, less someone already poached it on me

my complete solve for treasure hunt in Charleston, Roanoke, and (formerly) NYC and MTL (which were deleted) have been posted in full. you can go to the Charleston page and see the map which is explained via my youtube video walkthrough of Charleston. mind you, it only covers the treasure hunt, not the larger puzzle in it's totality.

gMan Texas , Just a thought, reading one of your comments on another post,why would you think the last 2 lines get permission to dig would be something as simple as call before you dig in case you cut into a cable or something? Call before you dig pretty much applies to everywhere you dig today. Do you think he would bury it in an area that has a physical digging hazard in the first place? I can’t say 100% what the restrictions are for digging in this part of the park or if it is even a designated part of the battlefield area or if the final spot falls in the zone. You would have to call to find out , who knows ,they may give you permission . This is Canada not the US

Josh , I hope you do dig up the box and no excuses .

Diceycat wrote:: gMan Texas , Just a thought, reading one of your comments on another post,why would you think the last 2 lines get permission to dig would be something as simple as call before you dig in case you cut into a cable or something? Call before you dig pretty much applies to everywhere you dig today. Do you think he would bury it in an area that has a physical digging hazard in the first place? I can’t say 100% what the restrictions are for digging in this part of the park or if it is even a designated part of the battlefield area or if the final spot falls in the zone. You would have to call to find out , who knows ,they may give you permission . This is Canada not the US BP was American. Call before you dig or get permission implies there are utilities. I believe it is a clue, although it's just a hunch. No where else do we have these instructions. This, coupled with the rules in the book, lead me to believe that all of the other casques are in locations that have no such hazards. I am pretty sure that BP thought about people digging all over the place, mostly in incorrect locations, but sometimes very close to the casque location. I think if you solve Verse 5, then it becomes obvious why you can't just dig. Have you seen my potential solve? Give it some thought. https://www.dropbox.com/s/pxtaaq0wr0zyz ... 3.pdf?dl=0 I also found some additional connections recently as shown in this post. viewtopic.php?f=32&t=737&p=140821&hilit=architect#p140821

I just did a night time walk through of isle st Helene with my hostel...so good.

when you get to the side that looks over the harbourfront, you see a number of things very distinctly on the skyline...Jacques cartier bridge; Molson factory; hotel; the clocktower at city hall; the dome (marche?); and bank (behind ferris wheel, by notre dame basilica).

not every utility poses a hazard. phone lines for example... remember where we are...

Well gMan your solution is plausible but can I pick it apart a bit? Firstly was the verse referring to day time or night ? I think it was night ( see arc of lights, citadel in the night) I don’t think they fly ballons at night and like it reads as a single event to one object( a wingless bird ascended) not floating along no movement, not specific to any city and would he see this from downtown? I can’t see why he would say citadel in the night unless it was night.By definition isn’t citadel a fort? Not a hospital “ Beneath the only standing member of a forest “ is this the only standing structure in the park and how does the “beneath “,fit in when the tower extends above the forest? Don’t think a group of 7 piece of art work fits in with the wind swept halls , that’s a big stretch since you would have to go inside a bldg. and find a particular piece of art work . When he says “to the south” is he referring to the standing member of a forest is to the south of his location or is the white stone closest to the south of the standing member. I think it’s the former. So if it’s the former are all those other lines in the verse are north of this standing member location?. When it comes to white stone closest there must be more than one white stone close by and close to what? South of the tower? But you are already told it’s 12 paces from the west side or is it 12 paces from the west side of the closest white stone or the tower? If that’s a electrical box then that could be deadly to be poking around there, don’t think he’s that crazy. It could be just my imagination but can you see the horses head and the image of a head with some sort of head gear on and a hand holding a sword or cross in the background of image 9. kind of like finding Waldo.

Diceycat wrote:: Well gMan your solution is plausible but can I pick it apart a bit? Firstly was the verse referring to day time or night ? I think it was night ( see arc of lights, citadel in the night) I don’t think they fly ballons at night and like it reads as a single event to one object( a wingless bird ascended) not floating along no movement, not specific to any city and would he see this from downtown? I can’t see why he would say citadel in the night unless it was night.By definition isn’t citadel a fort? Not a hospital “ Beneath the only standing member of a forest “ is this the only standing structure in the park and how does the “beneath “,fit in when the tower extends above the forest? Don’t think a group of 7 piece of art work fits in with the wind swept halls , that’s a big stretch since you would have to go inside a bldg. and find a particular piece of art work . When he says “to the south” is he referring to the standing member of a forest is to the south of his location or is the white stone closest to the south of the standing member. I think it’s the former. So if it’s the former are all those other lines in the verse are north of this standing member location?. When it comes to white stone closest there must be more than one white stone close by and close to what? South of the tower? But you are already told it’s 12 paces from the west side or is it 12 paces from the west side of the closest white stone or the tower? If that’s a electrical box then that could be deadly to be poking around there, don’t think he’s that crazy. It could be just my imagination but can you see the horses head and the image of a head with some sort of head gear on and a hand holding a sword or cross in the background of image 9. kind of like finding Waldo. You can pick it apart, that's what we are doing here. I think in some ways you are tunneling really hard on your solve, and that's okay, but if you want to critique another solve, don't use your unverified solve as the yardstick. I think you haven't taken the time to really read my proposed solve. You are being very literal, and I don't think much in these puzzles is literal. I also do not believe that everything is related in the verses in the sense that you are saying: "If A means at night, but B cannot possibly occur at night, it is wrong" The verses give us clues and hints, some of which may not be related at all, but point to objects, people, locations in the particular city and casque location. When we sum them up, they lead to the dig site. I'm all about back and forth, but you may want to go through the Verse 5 and Image 9 threads and see what has been discussed and proposed in the past. I like the refreshing view that it could be in Quebec City, but you have to remember that you have years and years of people thinking really hard about this. I think you would have to produce a casque to convince me that it is not in Montreal.

its in mtl. I mapped out whole harbourfront yd, and the connection to MR through The Village.

it cant be in a place that would put you at risk of injury or death, so don't go prodding around any electrical boxes...

Yes gMan I am tunnelling hard for my solve. I want everyone out there to debunk it , tell me where I went wrong . The only reason everyone is fixated on Montreal is the latitude and longitude thing as well as the legeater dog so every other location is ruled out. Would he put an obvious -73 , 45 ( still cant see the 4) ,in his picture , maybe, Im not ruling out Montreal as a possble location . Do you think his target audience was for male teenagers ? ( teenagers are not deep thinkers for the most part and are highly visual, they were the ones to solve the first 2 locations). I will go back reread your theory again and other posts.

uhhh how about Dorchester square, le stade, the oratory/mary queen of scots, drunknerds building, McGill...and the two most major factors of all (one a street, one a person) all being represented...including the 67 expo (where expos # would be), 76 Olympics also being directly ref'd but whaaaaaatever...

also, if you want to get anywhere stop calling it the legeater and start calling it the damned Garibaldi Candelabra, cause that is what it is.

OK Josh a Garabaldy Candablahblah. So you haven’t dug up the casque yet? Just a question but how does each line in verse 5 fit in with Dorchester square.

interestingly, the part of the puzzle (leg of candelabra/place du Canada) that makes up le stade (when painting turned upside down) also reflects the piece of land the stade sits on. locations of interest at this spot: le stade velodrome (now biodome) botanical gardens (original building) (possibly also the friends of the botanical garden building, need to find more info on it) rio tinto alcan planetarium (used to be at a different location, but it, and the two statues in front of it were moved there) and, while the maison de l'arbre de Frederic back is new...Frederic Back is def part of the puzzle

Diceycat wrote:: Yes gMan I am tunnelling hard for my solve. I want everyone out there to debunk it , tell me where I went wrong . The only reason everyone is fixated on Montreal is the latitude and longitude thing as well as the legeater dog so every other location is ruled out. Would he put an obvious -73 , 45 ( still cant see the 4) ,in his picture , maybe, Im not ruling out Montreal as a possble location . Do you think his target audience was for male teenagers ? ( teenagers are not deep thinkers for the most part and are highly visual, they were the ones to solve the first 2 locations). I will go back reread your theory again and other posts. I think a lot of people are fixated on Montreal because there are many clues that lead us to Montreal. I believe some people are looking at Vancouver as well. I'm not saying you are wrong, in fact I am rooting for you. I think you did a nice job of interpreting the Verse and some of the Image, but to find the casque you have to question everything about your possible solution over and over and see what floats to the top. Let's role play for a second. If you were BP and had a blank page and a map, what types of locations would you pick? Bear in mind that he wanted this to reach the level of hysteria that the Masquerade book did, and have amateur hunters digging all over the place. It is the logical conclusion to find places that are public, not protected by archaeological or historical laws? Or federal property, gardens, cemeteries, railway tracks, in front of a police station, out in the open in a traffic circle, etc? My opinion is that there are public parks with long standing significance and embrace conservation of natural environs, which by the narrative of the book, would make good places for the Fair Folk to live and hide. Now, I know you are looking at a park, but possibly one that is historically sensitive. Would BP have chosen this park over any other number of parks in Quebec City? You have to have some sort of litmus test when approaching these puzzles, and one test is practicality. Another is publicity. If some treasure hunter got arrested for violating the Antiquities Act or the Canadian equivalent, that would be bad for book sales, and possibly lead to the author(s) having to reveal the locations of the casques. Not a good end game. As for the target groups, I think maybe yes, teenage boys. But I also believe that a certain cross section of teens (and adults alike); well read and probably attracted to the fantasy genre (think Dungeons & Dragons and Lord of the Rings). BP underestimated the complexity of this creation. This was in part, IMHO, the reason this book was a failure. The general population did not get it. As it stands, the book is bifurcated into two weirdly joined sections. It is not a book you read for enjoyment. Then we look at the illustrations. While beautiful, they are extremely complex and stylized. It would be nearly impossible to identify the casque location with an image alone. The same holds true for the verses. All of this is not for your average citizen, even from the early 80's when people thought a little deeper than 140 characters. As for Chicago and Cleveland being highly visual, I agree there. My take on this is to compare it to a video game or D&D. Everything starts kind of simple, then as you "level up", the puzzle get more complicated. I feel this is loosely associated with the intrinsic value of the gems, but like the immigration references I think this theory is a bit elastic. Having said all this, I have a hard time believing that there is a casque in Roanoke Island. I have a loose working theory, but I don't raise it because there is a lot of dark forest that has been trudged through by others. I would have to actually produce a casque to sway anyone's mind, at least within this Q4T community. You might have to do the same if you want to convince people to look outside of Montreal.

gMan I Agree 100%. I don’t know what the law was back in 1980 when in comes to digging in this spot but like all laws they seem to get more restrictive over time. Again it’s how you interpret “get permission before you dig”.I guess if you were at the spot you would know.( like your electrical box). Didn’t he say he was hiding from the police or made a comment like that together with the dogs barking.The only time I would be hiding is if it was an illegal act. Just my thought. The fact that lane, 222 ,arc of lights is my starting point then all the rest of the lines in the verse make sense and fall into place neatly. This may be a guess but would you say each park has a worldly historical significance?

Diceycat wrote:: gMan I Agree 100%. I don’t know what the law was back in 1980 when in comes to digging in this spot but like all laws they seem to get more restrictive over time. Again it’s how you interpret “get permission before you dig”.I guess if you were at the spot you would know.( like your electrical box). Didn’t he say he was hiding from the police or made a comment like that together with the dogs barking.The only time I would be hiding is if it was an illegal act. Just my thought. The fact that lane, 222 ,arc of lights is my starting point then all the rest of the lines in the verse make sense and fall into place neatly. This may be a guess but would you say each park has a worldly historical significance? No, some parks are just plain old parks. I'm not a fan of small parks for this hunt. Let's take San Francisco for example. There are many parks, but Golden Gate Park is an absolute stunning gem. Recently, it has been proposed that the casque could be in Aquatic Park or Victorian Park near the wharfs. Much of that area is under the National Park Service jurisdiction. That area is also very heavily populated with tourist attractions and pedestrians and traffic, and out in the open. I'm not saying that it would be impossible to bury a casque there, especially in the lax time of 1980, but difficult. Now, in the Image for SF, you have a giant map of GGP. There are many clues in the verse. Do you take the most likely evidence that the casque is probably in GGP or look elsewhere? Okay, so Jeanne d'Arc Garden is adjacent to Plains of Abraham and forms a reasonable sized park, but the location may have protected status. I think the next step is for you to dig into the history of the park and see how plausible it might have been to locate the casque there. One thing to keep in mind, is that there appears to be red herrings built into these puzzles. La Citadelle de Québec seems just too literal and obvious. Also, I think we need a good explanation for the wingless bird to place us in Quebec City. I would start with hot air balloons and see if there are any connections to Expo 67, Air Mail, famous flights, etc. Perhaps there is another thing that could be considered a wingless bird that makes sense.

most parks in mtl are actually the former location of rich peoples houses, which were donated to the city for a park. this reflects how most of the buildings that were rich peoples houses in the GSM were donated to McGill, and became part of the campus.

man, the Olympic village site is so cool. who was the person who came up with the nadia comenci thing for the top X? they've since built a monument dedicated to her bw rio tinto and le stade olympique. was that you gman?

holy f**k so tired. just CRUSHED east of JC Bridge. pretty sure I got every location bw the bridge and pie ix (I actually went a bit further)...though I couldn't find parc la fontaine for some reason, and you def need to go there.

gMan some things may be too obvious like the -73, 45 ,no different than citadel since there are a lot of forts in the US and not many in Canada so the location is still not so obvious if you thought it was in the US. Maybe the legeater dog was a red herring, or those numbers to steer you away from Quebec city? Not saying those are not reliable clues but again anything is possible. (Door can swing both ways). If your mostly dealing with American teenagers I’m pretty sure their high school knowledge of Canada would be very limited and citadel would not be so obvious , also was the book ever printed in French? As far as the quote “ a wingless bird ascended” goes I can’t think how some thing as uneventful as a balloon in the sky ties into the location of the casque. I’m Canadian and never ever have I heard that Montreal is famous for anything to do with balloons ( maybe 15 minutes of fame during expo), and should it not fit into the park location somehow? Close by to the casque not miles away? Not some transitory event, it should be permanent . Is there a stone balloon out there??? Still think Joan of Arc fits the bill for those lines. Just type in “definition of bird “ in google and up comes “ a person” as one of the possibilities. Can’t be any more certain than that it can refer to a person. Remember I said she “ascended “to Sainthood and had dreams and visions of “Archangel” Michael,( I’m pretty sure an angel can fly and this event was ancient (1400s). It’s the fact that its a battlefield area that has people tossing out the baby with the bath water I guess the only way to find this casque would be to ask for permission like he says ,or maybe ask a park employee who is doing garden work at the time to help you out somehow. You still have to have that permission form filled out.The way most guys are they wouldn't even ask for directions. As they say in French C’est la vie!

How’s it going with the search Josh? Can we expect to see the casque anytime soon?

Diceycat wrote:: gMan some things may be too obvious like the -73, 45 ,no different than citadel since there are a lot of forts in the US and not many in Canada so the location is still not so obvious if you thought it was in the US. Maybe the legeater dog was a red herring, or those numbers to steer you away from Quebec city? Not saying those are not reliable clues but again anything is possible. (Door can swing both ways). If your mostly dealing with American teenagers I’m pretty sure their high school knowledge of Canada would be very limited and citadel would not be so obvious , also was the book ever printed in French? As far as the quote “ a wingless bird ascended” goes I can’t think how some thing as uneventful as a balloon in the sky ties into the location of the casque. I’m Canadian and never ever have I heard that Montreal is famous for anything to do with balloons ( maybe 15 minutes of fame during expo), and should it not fit into the park location somehow? Close by to the casque not miles away? Not some transitory event, it should be permanent . Is there a stone balloon out there??? Still think Joan of Arc fits the bill for those lines. Just type in “definition of bird “ in google and up comes “ a person” as one of the possibilities. Can’t be any more certain than that it can refer to a person. Remember I said she “ascended “to Sainthood and had dreams and visions of “Archangel” Michael,( I’m pretty sure an angel can fly and this event was ancient (1400s). It’s the fact that its a battlefield area that has people tossing out the baby with the bath water I guess the only way to find this casque would be to ask for permission like he says ,or maybe ask a park employee who is doing garden work at the time to help you out somehow. You still have to have that permission form filled out.The way most guys are they wouldn't even ask for directions. As they say in French C’est la vie! I've been a fan of your theory from the start. I'm just offering some thoughts. I would do a bunch of research and checking around before applying for a permit to dig, in case they only grant you one shot.

The fact is,I am putting this out there for some enthusiastic “Josh “type to go further in the search. The monetary value of the stone and casque means nothing to me, ( unless it’ value is over a million US). So I’m waiting for Josh to head north to Quebec city, he seems gun ho. Oh Josh ,are you tuckered out from digging too many holes?

haven't dug yet, meeting with fenix tomorrow, figured wed do it together. i spent today taking pictures of locations out past the Jacques Cartier Bridge to Morgan Park and Olympic Park, as the Botanical Gardens, Planetarium and Insectarium were all free today, so i did all that stuff too. i just did old town and came back cause my camera battery ran out. sooo much goddamn spots in old town, very frustrating taking pics of giant buildings in such narrow corridors lol. fenix and i are gonna go through our solves tm. as his differs from mine. (but mines right lol) i did a walking tour of st Helene yd and confirmed it as correct spot. for example, when you get to Musee Stewart it immediately becomes windy...

you don't actually need a permit...there was one of those "call before you dig" signs marking what is likely a phone line.

Well that sounds encouraging. Keep us posted

There’s always hope. No more excuses, hmmmmm has anyone ever written a book of excuses? You have enough for the first chapter.

i released ample info on, for example, Charleston...feel free to offer specific criticism on the info or solve in question.

Not to choose sides here , but at least he is digging and we get to rule out those locations. Now if we give him 20 years he’s bound to find one of the casques (maybe).

Diceycat wrote:: Not to choose sides here , but at least he is digging and we get to rule out those locations. Now if we give him 20 years he’s bound to find one of the casques (maybe). I can tell you this. People come and go, but when Josh Cornell showed up...and showed up...and showed up, after being banned several times, tons of veterans on this forum stopped commenting. It went from a lot of discussion and analysis to a graveyard. He's a toxic troll and should not be fed.

Understood!

LMAO look in the mirror goldengate...look at your last few posts... *smacks head*

Diceycat wrote:: Not to choose sides here , but at least he is digging and we get to rule out those locations. Now if we give him 20 years he’s bound to find one of the casques (maybe). tell that to maltedfalcon XD XD XD people not commenting has nothing to do with me whatsoever...

i dug two holes to 1 ft max...so many rocks...so many roots...more than ive ever had to deal with...not easy digging...will go back tm after museums and punk rock show lol.

there is a utility there btw, its an old lamp post base from the 67 Expo probably...either way wires are capped (doubtful they are live); which is why the sign was there (call before digging) and the pilon is still there now.

i never realized its directly outside the dilapidated Place de Nations till today.

i never did any of those things btw but nice spin.

i mean, thats what im using...and its not even a good trowel its a dollar store trowel, no gloves lol. i dug on N side (where paces take you of utility under the tree) and that hole is still going. but W side hole seems to have hit a very large stone, larger than the hole i was digging...i suppose S is also a viable side, but i think its the weakest of the 3, as there are already two uses for it. exactly, i had no idea he even had a daughter, and specifically said "if shes unage" so either way you look at it, your narrative is off. nice try though...and you know full well i wasnt being racist, youre just being an idiot.

Unknown: He can get himself in enough trouble with this group on his own. If the real Josh didn't exist, they probably would have invented him. Just like most of GG's outrage.

Unknown: I'm just calling him out and will continue to. On average, with every other (off-topic) post. Good for you.

I think I’ve created a battlefield area!

yea that was all you diceycat, way to go XD

JoshCornell wrote:: man, the Olympic village site is so cool. who was the person who came up with the nadia comenci thing for the top X? they've since built a monument dedicated to her bw rio tinto and le stade olympique. was that you gman? Josh, that would be me. The PX7 box represents Nadia Comaneci's accomplishments during the '76 Olympics. P - perfect X - 10 7 - Nadia had 7 She had the first ever Perfect 10 and a total of 7 for the games. Make sure you go over and visit the promenade South of Olympic Stadium (the citadel with the wind swept halls), you'll find the big white Olympic stone. Then go to the short stone wall on the West side of the walk area out of the Southern part of the stadium. Count 10 stones over around the curve of the wall and you'll find yourself closest to the white stone due to the angles of the park. Probe against that wall.

Fenix wrote:: My mistake, you paraphrased and forgot what really happened. Remember that time back in the Image 9 thread that you admitted you have contributed nothing in 15 years? Yeah, you've proving that here.

Fenix wrote:: This I agree with. What Josh wrote was wrong and the way you have attempted to spin it is wrong. Either way, even if she was 18, that's some messed up shit. Maybe you have some Canadian brotherhood going on, but it reflects poorly on your moral compass. You ought to think abut solving these puzzles more and less about defending a troll that has brought down the overall community spirit of this board. Not that you have added any value, but I respect the fact that you have been here for 15 years. We can agree to disagree without making it a shitshow. And BTW, I didn't get Josh Cornell banned for a third time for being a total douche, someone beat me to the punch.

MrSeabass wrote:: Jesus christ. Shut the f**k up. Both of you. Okay, Dad has spoken. But I'm not the one defending Josh Cornell.