This a list of the images and what verse they match to. I put this together useing information I got from this site the Tweleve site and The Secret Wikkie. Image 1 goes with Verse 7  This location is San Fransisco Image 2 goes with Verse 5  This location is Charlston Image 3 goes with Verse 11  This location is Roanake Island we know this because Man Of Oz was and may still be a ferry boat that ran between the islands. Image 4 went to Verse 4 This location is Cleveland and has been found Image 5 went to Verse 12 This location is Chicago and has been found Image 6 goes to Verse 9 This Location Is in Florida and most likely in Punta Gorda A man on the tweleve website said that the images that form the mountain that Ponce DeLeon is sitting on were outside Ponce De Leon Park in Punta Gorda Florida and that the honking referred to in the verse deals with a channel that boats went on that ran by or through the park and honked at the lsmaller boats Image 7 goes to Verse 2  This Location Is New Orleans We know this because the verse has a quote from Sarmiento in "Aboard America" by Pachter Image 8 goes to Verse 1  This Location is Houston We know this because 982 is the number of a steam locomotive near the casque's location I will talk more about Image 9 shortly Image 10 goes to Verse 8  This location is Milwaukee Image 11 I will come back to Image 12 goes to Verse 6  This location is New York We know this because the whit house is the Judson Memorial Church designed by Stanford White That brings us back to Image 9 and 11 we do not have an exact match to these two. However we know Image 11 is somewhere in Utah and most likely in Temple Square. We also know that BP said before he died that one of the casque's was in Canada. With that knowledge we know Image 9 is for the Canadian casque My guess is that Image 11 goes with verse 3 although it could be verse 10 as there are 3 scripture books the mormons use. With all of this knowledge we can now begin to try to pinpoint the casques location at each of these sites.

Not to be contrary since we do need an updated list of images to verses to keep things straight, but I'm not convinced of the match for image 12. Verse 10 speaks of rhapsodic man's soil (Gershwin's Brooklyn?) which then points to NY. Shannon

and what about Preiss's comment about one being in St. Louis? wilhouse

Welcome to The secret Scott!  Let me just say that if you did indeed read all of this forum, as well as Twelve, then you know that all we have is Images 4 and 5 with verses 4 and 12.  Everything else is open for debate.  Images 9 and 11 have no homes yet.  The rest are close to being nailed.  But, your conclusions on verses 5 and 6 are going to be highly contested here. I have a suggestion, and please don't take this wrong, I would love to prove you right.  What you have left is Image9 and verse10.  Try to work that up and then I'll join the bandwagon and dig in....    Boogieman

I will write when I can these next few weeks I have alot to do between now and the end of the month. Keep replying here though. I will keep looking here when I can. I understand everything is up for debate but there may be less debate then we think. If anyone has anything concrete I will update this list. I do not have a copy of this book it came out when I was 3. I know enough though through these forums and summeries. What did BP say about St. Louis. If St. Louis has a Casque then most likely what we think is the Utah image is the Canada Casque. This is a pure guess. Image 9 would definantly be St. Louis. When I can I will post an alternative possible list as soon as I can if we have something definate on St. Louis. I live in Indiana but have relatives in the San Fransisco area. I would like to set up a dig for this casque sometime next year if possible. I know others have tried but the park would not let them dig. It seems that you have some question about which verse belongs to New York and Charleston. I have an aunt that lives a few hours from charleston and used to live in the New York City area. I will E-mail them these two verses and see what they can tell us. Also we should see what we can find out about Punta Gorda Florida. I hope to work with all of you to find as many of these casques as we can in 2008.

scottrocks7 wrote:: It seems that you have some question about which verse belongs to New York and Charleston. I have an aunt that lives a few hours from charleston and used to live in the New York City area. LOL.  Scotty, I question everything here.  There's just something special about this Quest that keeps me coming back.  I'm guessing that you are right around BP's age when he contrived this whole idea.  We all could use some insight from somebody who's nowhere near being burned out.  Keep it flowing dude.  (oops.  I'm also guessing you are a guy)

Hey Scotty, where on your list is Boston?

Good to hear from you again Fox. I do not think Boston has a casque. If we use the images to find the cities then we know San Fransisco, Milwaukee, New Orleans, Houston, Charlston and New York are correct. We also know that one casque is somewhere in the costal Virginia/North Carolina area and one is somewhere in Florida. We also know that casques have been found in Chicago and Cleveland That leaves us with two images we do not know for sure about. The more I look the more I think Image 9 goes with St. Louis if BP said a casque was in St. Louis. That leaves us with Image 11. Most people think this is Utah. I however think this is the Canadian casque. The only thing we have that makes us think this might be Utah is what we think is a sideways Utah. The key to placeing this image is to find the building that is in the box. Some think it is the Mormon Temple in Salt Lake City. I however think the building is in Montreal, Quebec City or Halifax. I have seen similer buildings in Halifax. It is also possible that Toronto is the location of the Canadian casque because when I ran Thucydides and Xenophon statues through Google it came up with parks in Toronto. I also beleive that this verse could go with St. Louis as it seems to somewhat go with Forest Park. I am not confident enough on this yet to declare it I will be getting a copy of this book shortly and will try to do some research on all of this in December and hopefully have some more definate matches by years end. I hope to work with all of you to find as many casques as we can in 2008.

So true, I do not think we have concretely linked a P with Boston but V3 sure screams Beantown to me and many others on this site...  hmmmmmmm?

Scottrocks, It would help us plenty if you could post some links and/or photos of what you have found.  I'm searching all over for these things with no luck.  I did find this though: hxxp://www.flickr.com/photos/lifeofpictures/1527127193/ and these wind swept halls: hxxp://www.flickr.com/photos/lifeofpictures/1520654260/ but any citadel in North America can have them.

As soon as I know anything definate I will post it with how I got it and when possible how others can get to it too.

Knowing all that I now know sence the last time I psted here there are two possible image to verse match paterens that look as though they stand out to me so I will put them here. If Image 11 is not Boston then Image 1  goes with Verse 7  San Fransisco Image 2  goes with Verse 5  Charlston Image 3  goes with Verse 11 Roanoke Island or Kill Devil Hills North Carolina Image 4  goes with Verse 4  Clevland (found) Image 5  goes with Verse 5  Chicago (found) Image 6  goes with Verse 9 Florida likely St. Augustine or someplace in that county Image 7  goes with Verse 2 New Orleans Image 8  goes with Verse 1 Houston Image 9  goes with Verse 10 St. Louis Image 10 goes with Verse 8 Milwaukee Image 11 goes with Verse 3 Toronto, Quebec City, Montreal or Sault Ste Marie in that order of likelyhod Image 12 goes with Verse 6 New York If Image 11 is Boston then Image 3 would likely be the Canadian Casque and Halifax Nova Scotia or St. John Newfundland would be the likely casque location. The Image to verse match would likely be as follows. Image 1 Verse 7 = San Francisco Image 2 Verse 11 = Charlston (if Halifax is the city) Image 2 Verse 5  = Charlston (if St. John is the city) Image 3 Verse 5 = Halifax Image 3 Verse 9 = St. John Image 4 Verse 4  = Cleveland Image 5 Verse 12 = Chicago Image 6 Verse 9  = Florida (if Halifax) Image 6 Verse 11 = Florida (if St. John) Image 7 Verse 2 = New Orleans Image 8 Verse 1 = Houston Image 9 Verse 10 =St. Louis Image 10 Verse 8 = Milwauke Image 11 Verse 3 = Boston Image 12 Verse 6 = New York I know some of this is contrary to what alot of us think. I will do some research on some of these ideas and post anything I find in the appropriat thread. I will also change these matches as our collective discoveries marit.

The book of Mormon has a lot more than three books in it.  As do the other books.  Plus, what about the Natives? What the heck does that mean?  The closest thing I have found, is that there was an upheaval created by Native Americans at Alcatraz (At a time when it wasn't exactly a prison), which would more appropriately be in San Francisco.  I cannot see where you get Utah from.

Welcome to the hunt klbt.  I know there is alot but be sure to read past threads, they will answer many of your questions.  Are you from the 4 corners area?                                            :-)

No.  I am from the same place as Shecrab.  In fact, I am her son.  So far, no one has any definite answers, except scottrock's which seem forced.  By the way, you can refer to me as Typler (a pseudonym), since my online name is very long.

How about that one folks? I infecte...er...passed along the enthusiasm!! He's pretty smart, too. He pointed out a bunch of things that I hadn't seen before. For instance: in Image 2, the location we think is Charleston, look at the daisy in the image below, with the pear above it. Then look at the South Carolina Flag. The resemblance is very strong--the daisy looks like the palm tree and the shadow on the pear looks like the crescent moon. As you say, always ready to see things with fresh eyes.

ck you're so lucky to have someone close to you interested in the hunt! hi typler, welcome to the secret !

scottrocks7 wrote:: My guess is that Image 11 goes with verse 3 although it could be verse 10 as there are 3 scripture books the mormons use. With all of this knowledge we can now begin to try to pinpoint the casques location at each of these sites. The three books you may be confused about are The book of Mormon, The Words of Mormon, and the book of Ether, all of which ARE the book of mormon.  The books of scripture the Mormons use are actually 15: Books 1,2,3,4 of Nephi; Books of Jacob, Enos, Jarom, and Omni; Words of Mormon; Books of Mosiah, Alma, Helaman; Books of Mormon, Ether, and Moroni.  All of these are compiled into ONE volume, which is fairly slim, comparatively.

The books I was talking about are The Book Of Mormon, Doctrins and Covinents and The Peral Of Great Price. I no longer think a casque is in Salt Lake City though.

Okay then.

Has anyone considered that PB may have used military maps, which are divided into grid squares?  You can obtain them as easily as other maps, unless they are of top secret facilities, but this is not to say that he didn't have them.  I figured that he would have used some sort of map, but I have reason to believe that if they werent the unscaled cartoon maps that are free at most parks (which the painter could have used to put the silhouettes in the paintings), then they depicted terrain features in detail.

Kuh-Lai-Bah-Ti wrote:: Has anyone considered that PB may have used military maps, which are divided into grid squares?  You can obtain them as easily as other maps, unless they are of top secret facilities, but this is not to say that he didn't have them.  I figured that he would have used some sort of map, but I have reason to believe that if they werent the unscaled cartoon maps that are free at most parks (which the painter could have used to put the silhouettes in the paintings), then they depicted terrain features in detail. I believe, the details of the images, are from on site inspections - what would be seen from various vantage ponts assuming you at at the right location.  An onsite map (marble table top variety) has been confirmed as within the image of Fort Moultrie. Map images (state, city, bridges) are probably very general in nature toi suggest a place to begin your exploration.

The other reason I'm suggesting the park maps is because they would have had colorful shapes to indicate different regions within the park...  Like a zoo map.

Another possible match could be Image 3 and Verse 11 but could go to Halifax Nova Scotia instead of Roanoke Island/Kill Devil Hills area. I know some of us think Verse 10 goes with Image 3 and is Halifax. That could be but Verse 10 is likely for Forest Park in St. Louis. I have not had time to look at it very closely but at one time Forest Park had a clock made out of flowers. If it kept real time then that could be what the twice as many steps as the hour could mean.

I am pretty much sold on V 10 leading us to NYC.  .    especially with the play on words representing the 'narrows'  .

The Church of Scientology has 3 books: Battlefield Earth, the Hollywood, Los Angeles Phone Book, and A brief history of Time (to hold up the other two).

It will likely be two or three more weeks before I know if my idea of Image 9 and verse 6 matching is correct. For now lets say that it is. If that is the case then this may be the correct match. the matches that I put (Lock) by will likely be correct if I9/V6 is correct. We have been leaning toward some of them for sometime but held out because of possible references in verse 6. Here it is!!! Image 1 Verse 7 San Fransisco (Lock) Japanese Tea Garden Golden Gate Park Image 2 Verse 5 Charlston (Lock) Ft. Maltaire Image 3 Verse 11 Kill Devil Hills NC (most likely) park unknown Image 4 Verse 4 Cleveland (Found) Image 5 Verse 12 Chicago (Found) Image 6 Verse 9 (Very Likely) possible cities: St. Augustine, Titusville, Orlando or Punta Gorda Image 7 Verse 2 New Orleans (Lock) City Park or Armstrong Park Image 8 Verse 1 Houston (Lock) Children's Zoo at Herman Park Image 9 Verse 6 St. Louis (Assumed) Pagoda Circle area of Forest Park (this combination assumes this) Image 10 Verse 7 Milwaukee (Locked) Lake Park Image 11 Verse 3 (Likely Canadian) possible cities Quebec City, Toronto or Sault Ste Marie in that order Image 12 Verse 10 (Almost Definate) New York Again this is all based on the assumption that Image 9 and Verse 6 match. If they do not and/or any of us find signifigant evidence that any of these are wrong I will adjust this accordingly. If Verse 6 does not go with Image 9 verse 3 or 10 does. For now however assume that our original therory that Verse 6 goes to New York is correct and act on it now that the concrete is removed. In future posts I will cover alternate matches for the unlocked verses and unplaced images. I will not go into alternative counts should Verse 6 not go to St. Louis until I know for sure. Some say you can not know for sure until you find a casque. I however beleive that once the historical clues are figured out we will have the nest best thing.

Contingent on the assumption that regulus has something concrete with relation to image 3 and verse 11 then all of the below can for now be considered correct. Image 1 Verse 7 San Fransisco Image 2 Verse 5 Charlston Image 3 Verse 11 Roanoke Island/Kill Devil Hills Image 4 Verse 4 Cleveland Image 5 Verse 12 Chicago Image 6 Florida Image 7 Verse 2 New Orleans Image 8 Verse 1 Houston Image 10 Verse 8 Milwaukee Image 12 New York I am open to other ideas but it looks like the above is correct that leves two images and four verses we are not definate about. My best guess on the images contingent on regulus findings are: Image 9 St. Louis Image 11 Ottawa We have a confirmation of STL and their are two possible parks the casque is at Forest Park most likely Tower Grove less likely. I think Ottawa first because I found several buildings that look closer to the box image then anything found thus far and I think the 18th day 12th hour had something to do with the 1982 signing of the constitution. The unmatched verses and my guess to their image match are: Verse 3 Ottawa or STL Verse 6 STL or NYC Verse 9 Florida Verse 10 NYC or STL My guess is Verse 6 if Forest Park Verse 10 if Tower Grove. All of this is based on the solidness of regulus findings.

I had a thought the other day and thought I would share it with all of you to see if you can punch holes in it.  It's an idea that I got from Fox's idea about latitudes and longitudes and from looking at the underside of the casque lid in the picture that tenbythirteen posted (Isn't there a word for taking someone elses ideas adding to them and then sharing what you found?......hmmm...I think it starts with a c.........collab....something, oh well, I'm sure it will come to me. ) We know that the chicago treasure was located by using image 5 and verse 12 which the clock on the underside of the casque lid showed us.  It suddenly occurred to me that it could be a clue to something else as well.  We know(I'm absolutely convinced of this which is why I use the verb know) that the images contain latitude and longitudes of cities in which casques are hidden.  I know those numbers aren't called hours they are called degrees but the verse(on the underside of the casque lid) is represented by the minute or second hand.  And the two sets of numbers that follow the degree numbers in latitudes and longitudes are called minutes and seconds. So, if the verses somehow tell us the minutes/seconds of the lat/long numbers of the cities, I figured the easiest way to do this(but by no means the only way) is by the number of lines in each verse.  So first I added them up and came up with the following Verse01 - 22 lines Verse02 - 14 lines Verse03 - 18 lines Verse04 - 14 lines Verse05 - 18 lines Verse06 - 19 lines Verse07 - 16 lines Verse08 - 23 lines Verse09 - 15 lines Verse10 - 21 lines Verse11 - 21 lines Verse12 - 15 lines I then went to the almanac and looked up the lat/long numbers of the 2 cities we are sure of, Cleveland and Chicago Cleveland - 41 29 58 by 81 41 44 Cleveland was solved with Verse4 which has 14 lines and the 41 is 14 backwards.  We have seen backwards numbers in this puzzle before I don't think this is all that unusual. Chicago - 41 51 0 by 87 39 0 Chicago was solved with Verse12 which has 15 lines and the 51 is 15 backwards. I then tried the only other image/verse combination that I have any confidence in P10/V8 which leads to Milwaukee. Milwaukee - 43 2 20 by 87 54 23 Verse8 has 23 lines. I then looked up the two cities I feel most confident about that don't have verses associated with them, Houston and New Orleans Houston - 29 45 47 by 95 21 47 Verses10 & 11 both have 21 lines or if you believe close is good enough Verse01 has 22 lines.  What I don't particularly like about using Verse01 this is that wilhouse tried it(repeatedly) and came up empty. New Orleans - 29 57 16 by 90 4 30 Verse07 has 16 lines. It doesn't work with San Francisco but I remember in a recent post maltedfalcon said something about some cities around San Francisco that he considers viable.  If he would repost their names I would like to check the minutes and seconds of their lat/long numbers. All the other cities are very speculative in my opinion so I will leave it at that.  Now I am sure that some of you will put this down to coincidence(I have someone in mind for this ) but I think it is more than coincidence that I expanded on an idea that we know works, applied it to every city that we are reasonably sure of and got viable answers.  I await the inevitable.........ummm..........collaboration. See I knew the word would come to me.

digger7 wrote:: It doesn't work with San Francisco but I remember in a recent post maltedfalcon said something about some cities around San Francisco that he considers viable.  If he would repost their names I would like to check the minutes and seconds of their lat/long numbers. I went back and found MF's post that I mentioned.  The other places that he considers viable are Oakland, Alameda, Berkley and the Marin Headland.  So let's see what we got. Oakland - 37 48 16 by 122 16 11 indicates a verse with 16 lines but I have already used that one for New Orleans Alameda - 37 45 55 by 122 14 26 indicates a verse with 14 lines.  We have already used verse04 so that leaves us with verse02 Berkeley - 37 52 18 by 122 16 18 indicates a verse with 16 lines or a verse with 18 lines.  I used the 16 line verse for New Orleans so that leaves verse03 Marin Headland - 37 49 40 by 122 30 18 indicates a verse with 18 lines, verse03 Hmmmm.........that was less useful than I had hoped.  I still think this is a good theory though.

I think that idea is very interesting indeed.  I would like it even better if none of the numbers needed to be reversed but still...no one has yet to explain why the V's contain different numbers of lines.  Who knows, maybe it just happened like that when BP was constructing his puzzles...but maybe not.  If it is correct, it sure gives us a more definitive way of linking V's & P's (something we still have not come up with). The one thing that I really like about your theory is that it puts V7 back to N.O. So, if your theory is correct...&...when we locate the N.O. casque using the P7V7 matching....will the underside of the lid show the time of 7:07?

wouldnt it show 7:35?

Wow, all this reverse treasure hunting from lids which we dont even know what are on them. As for all the talk about maps, military or otherwise, someone had stated that BP probably used landmarks in the area he placed the casques; I find this explanation to be more feasible. I know it was 25 years ago, but what helped us mostly were the indicators that pointed to Chicago, the Water Tower, then Grant Park, the Bowman, "L sits" the statue of Lincoln. From this point we were stumped for months. We used no maps. Very frustrating, I know. Lets not give ourselves migranes. Sometimes its the simple things right in front of our eyes.

Thank you Tenby....I agree with your statement about simplicity. Why not try it on the verse for Saint Augustine? That one is pretty certain. If it pans out, then I'd be somewhat interested. Otherwise, it's that same old schizophrenic pattern-finding stuff again. Personally, I don't think it will--it seems excessively complex and "forced" to me.

maltedfalcon wrote:: wouldnt it show 7:35? TenByThirteen wrote:: I know it was 25 years ago, but what helped us mostly were the indicators that pointed to Chicago, the Water Tower, then Grant Park, the Bowman, "L sits" the statue of Lincoln. From this point we were stumped for months. Yes, you are correct...both hands on the 7 = 7:35 You see, even a local who was very familiar with the area and probably visited it quite often was stumped for months.  Just because we may {or may not} have the correct VP pairing and even the right park...it doesn't necessarily mean we can go straight to the site and unearth a casque.  These theories definitely need tweaking but I think we are zeroing in...

TenByThirteen wrote:: Wow, all this reverse treasure hunting from lids which we dont even know what are on them. I wasn't really saying that BP left that as an intentional clue.  I was just explaining what sparked the idea in my head. And I am interested to know if the underside of Egberts casque lid has both hands pointed at the 4's. As for the lat/long of St. Augustine Florida, it is 29 54 30 by 81 18 50.  So 18 lines would be Verse03 or Verse05

Unknown: And I am interested to know if the underside of Egberts casque lid has both hands pointed at the 4's. I predict it will show 3:00.

forest_blight wrote:: I predict it will show 3:00. Why would it show 3:00?  4:00 I could understand but you lost me with 3:00.  Please explain.

Easy. TenByThirteen's lid shows 5:00 because it's the "May" casque. There are 5 warts on the face in P5. Egbert's casque is the "March" casque. There are 3 points on the triangle. So I predict 3:00.

forest_blight wrote:: Easy. TenByThirteen's lid shows 5:00 because it's the "May" casque. There are 5 warts on the face in P5. Egbert's casque is the "March" casque. There are 3 points on the triangle. So I predict 3:00. Got it, thanks for clearing that up.  You could be right.

digger7 wrote:: Got it, thanks for clearing that up.  You could be right. Didn't we already know this?

shecrab wrote:: Didn't we already know this? We know that image4 represents the March (3rd month) gem which is what FB thinks will be represented under the lid of the casque.  I think it will be the a representation of the image(4) and the verse(4).  Although I do have to admit that his idea is very plausible.

Digger, I tend to lean toward the idea of the clock-hands pointing to the verse number and image number, too. It would be such a simple and elegant portrayal of each combination. All we need is the confirmation of Sir Egbert's casque lid... (or better yet...the Milwaukee casque lid !) On a slightly unrelated note: I recently went to Lake Park and studied all of the bridges. If I were to have to choose the one that I would consider "Proud and tall" it would definitely be the concrete foot bridge over Ravine Road...It takes one's breath away with its size and height! AP

Okay, on a different tangent, might the painted hands of the clock indicate which NUMBER the treasure was? There are 12 treasures, and twelve full hours on the face of a clock. Maybe the treaure buried in Chicago was the fifth one BP buried...and the insanity continues, alas we will never know due to BP's absence. OH BP, give us a sign.

animal painter wrote:: All we need is the confirmation of Sir Egbert's casque lid... (or better yet...the Milwaukee casque lid !) ...or perhaps the Elizabethan Garden casque