Thread Summary
The forum discussions revolve around deciphering a cryptic verse related to a potential treasure hunt in Manhattan. Users analyze intricate details in imagery, historical references, and literary connections to unravel the puzzle. Clues from the verse point to various locations like Liberty Island, Manhattan, and Battery Park, as well as historical figures and landmarks. There is debate about the interpretation of clues and the final location of the treasure, with some users focusing on specific details while others take a broader approach. The complexity and depth of the treasure hunt mystery are highlighted as participants share insights and theories to crack the puzzle. Additionally, discussions touch on the historical background of The Battery in Manhattan and its relevance to the treasure hunt, with disagreements arising over the timeline of events and the significance of specific details. Users also engage in debates about the validity of theories and interpretations related to various locations and references in the United States, such as Hermann park in Houston and the Statue of Liberty. The forum thread also includes discussions about a three-digit identifier for a ferry route to Liberty Island, historical events like the Great Fire of 1835 in New York City, and interactions among forum members.
jayheedan1
I feel that I have correctly paired Image 12 to verse 1, though not a complete solve. I would ask for boots on the ground and more keen internet searchers investigate possible dig sites.
To start with clues from the text:
Russian Fay: Vazily, Leshy, Poleviki, Domivye, Vily, Ruskalki
pg. 15 - The from the East, from the Far Marches, from the wide snaowy Steppes and boundless fertile plains of Russia - travelled the native Fair Folk: Vazily, Poleviki, Domivye, and vily. The Leshy abandoned the forest tops of Tatary, the Rusyalki rose up from the river beds, and all followed the Forest Fathers and Moss Maidens across the winter prairie to the Black Sea shore and onto waiting ships. Together they emigrated, away to the West.
A Topaz is the Russian prize:
The royal sunstone, frozen fire.
...Leshy and Vily, from the forests of Muscovy, instructed the Mohicans in woodcraft, teaching them to move silently and invisibly through the tress - a skill which (learnind authorities say) the Mohicans possessed to the Last.
Consider a group of those frugal Lowland Dwarves, the Alven, hovering, invisible, and observing in economic agony while their old friends the Canarsie tribe traded Manhattan Island for a handful of trinkets! (Could it be that they believed Peter Minuit’s glass baubles possessed the same worth as the Alven’s Treasure-Stone?)
We are given that its the Russian immigrants, (Topaz gem). The native American Mohican tribe that lived in New York Bay area. And Peter Minuit, who supposed purchased the Island of Manhattan from the native people there.
Clues from Image 12:
The individual panels in the window at the top of the image. The bottom row has an image in each box, including where her face is in the third box over.
The first could be many things the outline of the port on Ellis Island or maybe one of the original Trade Towers or even the Seagram Building.
The second could be the spires on the Ellis main building , but I feel it is the St. Nicholas Russian Orthodox Catherdral.
The third box, her face, the statue of Liberty.
The fourth a famous clock in the Manhattan area.
The top panes of the window. Stained glass or sea glass hard to say for sure. But then the bird. May be the birds on the Ellis island main building, or the art deco style of the Chrysler Building.
The body of the woman, arms stretched downward, looks similar to some of the statues on religious buildings/churches in the Manhattan area. Though, I haven't seen one in the exact same pose yet. Maybe inside a church? The front pleat in her dress, may be a representation of Roosevelt Island.
The water at the bottom, to me, would represent the Bay area, the way that it has and upper wave and a lower calmer body of water may be representative of the Upper and lower bay. Or the convergence of the Hudson and East rivers into the Bay.
Clues from verse 1:
Fortress north
Cold as glass
Friendship south
Take your task
this refers to Ellis and Liberty Islands
The northern Island, a fortified entry point for immigrants.
The original building was mostly glass with a metal frame. It was decided by Lee Iacocca (of Chrysler building fame) to make it more grand and more inviting since it is the first things immigrants will see as the come into American. Using the words “something not so cold.”
With Iacocca as the renovation chair, could be why the Chrysler building bird gargoyles and bird gargoyles on the Main Hall at Ellis Island look so similar.
Article here:
https://www.nytimes.com/1982/12/09/nyre ... ument.html
To the number
Nine eight two
Through the wood
No lion fears
I feel that this was a Ferry or subway route/number in the 80’s but I haven’t confirmed anything yet. The lion part I’m also not sure of.
In the sky the water veers
Small of scale
Step across
Perspective should not be lost
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ellis ... 74.0395587
With the birds eye view or a map, the Bay is spilt by Manhattan into the Hudson River and veering to the right the East River. “Step across” from Liberty Island to Manhattan, cause we are up high and it looks like a small step to get from one to the other, or step across from Manhattan to Roosevelt island.
I feel like this could be a reference to Roosevelt island because the outline in her dress. Also, the Sky tram that opened in 1978 (first in America) takes you up in the sky for the proper “perspective” we are looking to not lose as we get back down off the ride. After watching the Travel Channel’s Expedition Unknown. Gates mentioned, Preiss’s daughters said, “that you can see all the visual clues from the same place”. Riding the sky tram is really the clue, cause you can stand on the tram and see the sites as it rides along the skyline. I also feel that, this is the reason why all the image confirmers of Manhattan are grouped together in the window panel display.
In the center of four alike
Small, split,
Three winged and slight
Not sure of this one, google maps doesn’t have enough street views for my liking. But seems that we should be able to see while on the skytram four things alike, that appear small and that are separated, (cause we are high up). Like light posts or columns in a plaza around a central sculpture, that has three (3) figures that each have wings. Angel or cherub monuments in Manhattan?
What we take to be
Our strongest tower of delight
Falls gently
In December night
As known the first two lines is an excerpt from Pierre by Herman Melville. He was born in lower Manhattan and lived most of his life in Manhattan. There are at least two (2) plaques on the island in memorial to him. (Such an obvious clue, not sure why there is a push to link this verse to Houston... makes no since to me)
If you actually read the passage quoted here, its about Pierre’s impending death, and he finds peace and joy in the smallest acts. Similar to a scene in Marvel’s Dr. Strange, when Tilda Swinton met her end slowing time to watch the snow fall. Continuing on it talks about his body in a “cask” being buried and questioning if he could be “unearthed” by others having a “key.” Really another layer, to the use of Herman Melville and a quote from his work about digging up an actual casque that contains a key.
The second part is referring to Fall season (December) and the (snow) Fall gently.
Looking back from treasure ground
There’s the spout!
A whistle sounds.
I feel pretty strongly that we should be in The Battery park on the southern tip on Manhattan. This is where Peter Minuit Plaza is (clue from the text). Across the street is one of the memorial plaques of Herman Melville. Maybe this is the Fortress north of the Liberty Statue? There is a seaglass carousel in the park, could it be a representation of the stained glass windows in image 12? The JFK memorial maybe a match for the wings on the bird in image 12?
Wherever the casque is it near a spout and the whistles of the Ferries can be heard. There is a wall of spouts in The Battery where the water freezes forming ice sculptures. (Pierre’s pleasure in the smallest things?)
"This is a piece of the Hudson Valley in Battery Park City," said Mr. Gill, standing by a 27-foot-high, 168-foot-long wall of randomly coursed slabs of Hamilton bluestone from Albany County. Through 10 spouts hidden in the crevices, water started to flow as he spoke, moistening the surface. In winter, this rock wall will be encrusted with sculptural ice forms.The Battery is across from Liberty Island”
https://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/30/nyre ... -park.html
Erpobdelliforme
Unknown:
I feel that I have correctly paired...
One down, one hundred and forty-three to go.
jayheedan1
MrSeabass wrote::
Goddamnit you can't even be bothered to read your own links. The park opened in
2004.
And the Iacocca stuff didn't even start until
1982
. Your whole theory is garbage.
When was it decided that a casque has to be in a Park? Why does one verse tell us to "get permission to dig out?"
But anyhow it was a park even back in the 40's
While the Brooklyn-Battery Tunnel and Battery Park Underpass were under construction from
1940–52
, the park was partly closed
; it was later re-landscaped and expanded by 2 acres (0.81 ha).
Peter Minuit Plaza was built in 1955
; the East Coast Memorial was dedicated in 1963. The Battery was included within a "
group of historic waterfront sites" designated Harbor Park, by the government of New York State, in 1982
.[3] The park was renamed from "Battery Park" to "The Battery" in April 2015.[1]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Battery_(Manhattan
)#History
(another link you probably won't be able to read and comprehend properly)
And yes, in 1982 that article with Iacocca came out, explaining that it was run down steel frame of mostly broken glass before the renovations to remake it as a living monument.
jayheedan1
jayheedan1 wrote::
I feel that I have correctly paired Image 12 to verse 1,
though not a complete s
olve. I would ask for boots on the ground and
more keen internet searchers investigate possible dig sites
.
Wherever the casque is it near a spout and the whistles of the Ferries can be heard. There is a wall of spouts in The Battery where the water freezes forming ice sculptures. (Pierre’s pleasure in the smallest things
?)
"This is a piece of the Hudson Valley in Battery Park City," said Mr. Gill, standing by a 27-foot-high, 168-foot-long wall of randomly coursed slabs of Hamilton bluestone from Albany County. Through 10 spouts hidden in the crevices, water started to flow as he spoke, moistening the surface. In winter, this rock wall will be encrusted with sculptural ice forms.The Battery is across from Liberty Island”
https://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/30/nyre ... -park.html
I have no idea when the wall was built, if it was there as part of the original fort or if it was built as a new installment in this smaller park within the bigger park. Article only talks about the park being opened and the construction of buildings surrounding teardrop park. I never claimed to have solved the burial site, in fact it was quite the opposite, asking for MORE KEEN INTERNET SEARCHERS for possible dig locations. (that's why I ended that questions with a question mark)
So, if the wall was built as part of teardrop park in 2004; then, correct that's not the clue we are looking for. If it's a remnant of the original fort and a park was constructed around it then maybe it is a possibility. I don't live there, never been there, no idea.
I just feel its hard to ignore that the reference to Herman Melville is an obvious indicator for the New York Casque. Especially if we can use similar references to match up other pairs.
i.e. -
v2 - build palaces to shelter their heads... Sarmiento - New Orleans
v3 - Xenophon and Paul Revere - Boston
v6 - Edwin or Edwina - Edward Blyden - Charleston
v11 - two friends of Octave (Chanute) - Wright Bros. - Roanoke
We have a direct reference to person(s) in that exact area for these, yet we ignore that Herman Melville was a New Yorker, born and lived in Manhattan. Instead he lumped to the Houston Image because there happens to be a park there of the same name with a different spelling.
jayheedan1
Also I forgot to mention the "Friendship South" part. Liberty Island (south island) the statue of Liberty was a gift of Friendship from the French.
jayheedan1
Through the wood
No lion fears
The Statue of Liberty is built on top of The remanants of Fort Wood.
If this is a reference to the cowardly lion, who wanted courage. Are there any monuments or plaques there that mention the immigrants having courage to starting a new life in America?
https://www.nps.gov/places/fort-wood-fort-gibson.htm
erexere
I'm a fan of your process.
jayheedan1
Perspective should not be lost
In the center of four alike
Small, split,
Three winged and slight
Across from the Statue of Liberty along the ferry route you can see the East Coast memorial which faces Liberty island. It is made up of two rows of four large slabs in their center is the eagle statue that has three wings (counting the tail wing on the back). From a distance, keeping perspective, it appears much smaller than the very large slabs and could be considered slight. Looking at it from the front it looks very narrow. Behind this memorial is a grassy looking area. Is there a spout behind this memorial?
https://www.nycgovparks.org/parks/batte ... ments/1929
strike13
jayheedan1 wrote::
Perspective should not be lost
In the center of four alike
Small, split,
Three winged and slight
Across from the Statue of Liberty along the ferry route you can see the East Coast memorial which faces Liberty island. It is made up of two rows of four large slabs in their center is the eagle statue that has three wings (counting the tail wing on the back). From a distance, keeping perspective, it appears much smaller than the very large slabs and could be considered slight. Looking at it from the front it looks very narrow. Behind this memorial is a grassy looking area. Is there a spout behind this memorial?
https://www.nycgovparks.org/parks/batte ... ments/1929
wings on this statue look similar to wings in image
jayheedan1
Erpobdelliforme wrote::
That's because you are a curmudgeon, Seabass. Me, I'm rooting for the kid and I hope he finds what he's looking for.
Reading over your posts, I largely agree with Erpobdelliforme.
I'm not pushing anything, I am exploring better potential locations for casques sites that have a better pairing with verse/images.
You are pushing the Hermann park theory on this thread. If you feel so strongly that Hermann park is correct, good for you. IN MY OPINION, I don't think it fits at all. Yes, by coincidence, it happed to have during that time frame an object that had "982" on it, but that doesn't mean that is the whole solve and it has to be that verse/image pairing because it had this one random pairing from one of the verses in a random park in Houston.
Feel free to ignore this thread all together, if it bothers you so much.
As far as your statement "
There has never been a three digit identifier
for any
subway,
ferry
, train, etc." shows your ignorance.
The Circle Line Site Seeing company during the 70's and 80's had exclusive rights to the Ferry routes to Liberty Island. Though, the company currently has a fleet of only 8 ships, they have had a number of ships in their fleet over the past 70 years of them being in business. Circle Line largely purchases second hand ships from the Navy and US Coast guard, all of which have
hull classification number
,
usually being
a letter or two followed by a space and a two or
three digit number.
Have I been able to locate the full list of ships in the Circle Line Fleet over the past 70 years, no. Is there a possibly that one was a retired military vessel that was numbered 982. I feel that it could potentially be a possibility, and worth exploring.
erexere
Please don't make "I'm leaving now" threats, Mr. Seabass. You have sharp instincts and have done quite a bit of your own research on the puzzles. Keep on keeping on and don't change.
Erpobdelliforme
Unknown:
I sent the PM and asked for my posts and account to be scrubbed.
The internet equivalent of "taking my ball and going home". Fortunately, the internet has an infinite supply of balls.
WhiteRabbit
MrSeabass wrote::
It's not a threat. I sent the PM and asked for my posts and account to be scrubbed. This hunt is just not fun anymore. I'm not gonna lurk or come back with a shadow account.
I'm out.
Well, it's been entertaining, and I hope you stick around. But either way, you need to work a lot harder than that to get erased around here. Josh has skills.
strike13
MrSeabass wrote::
It's not a threat. I sent the PM and asked for my posts and account to be scrubbed. This hunt is just not fun anymore. I'm not gonna lurk or come back with a shadow account.
I'm out.
Taking it right to the top!!! Theresa May or Justin Trudeau?
JoshCornell
MrSeabass wrote::
It's not a threat. I sent the PM and asked for my posts and account to be scrubbed. This hunt is just not fun anymore. I'm not gonna lurk or come back with a shadow account.
I'm out.
and i didnt even have to dig up NOLA! HAHAAHAH
gooooooood riddance. (to useless apples)...
drunknerds
mrseabass wrote::
messaging the admins as we speak to have my account deleted.
I got some bad news about these admins...
... and Santa Claus... and the Tooth Fairy
But glad it means you wont get scrubbed
jayheedan1
Falls gently
In December Night
I believe this is a reference to the great fire of 1835, That re-landscaped lower Manhattan. Combined with Hermann Melville's line (who was born and lived in lower Manhattan, can't stress that enough) - What we take to be, our strongest tower of delight, can be burned down in a night leaving very little.
The Great Fire of 1835
December 16, 1835
To date, the Great Fire of 1835 was the most destructive in New York City's history (at the time, the worst fire in American history).
Beginning on a freezing December night and raging for over 15 hours, the fire decimated the financial district, turning all of Manhattan below Wall Street to rubble, consuming some 600 buildings, and causing more damage than it cost to build the Erie Canal. The blaze could be seen as far away as Philadelphia. As a result of the flames, lower Manhattan has barely any pre-19th-century landmarks
, the Merchant's Exchange was rebuilt on Wall Street, and many streets were widened in the wake of the flames. Most importantly, the Great Fire of 1835 brought about great changes for the fire department, which had previously been volunteer based and quite disorganized. As a result, the department installed different fire-fighting codes as well as building codes and practices regarding fire-insurance (the fire put 23 of New York's 26 fire companies out of business). Lastly, the fire instigated the removal of New York's outmoded water system, replacing it with the Croton Water system, ensuring NYC would never be short of water in a disaster again.
https://ny.curbed.com/2014/9/15/1004707 ... astructure
jayheedan1
The suspected "lion" in the waves at the bottom of image 12, is largely thought to be a representation of the Dutch Republic Coat of Arms or similar coat of arms, here on the boards.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_Republic_Lion
It can also be found on the Netherlands Historical Marker (North Bronze Plaque), In The Battery, because Peter Minuet was Dutch.
https://www.hmdb.org/marker.asp?marker=13930
jayheedan1
Take your task
To the number 982
Would Priess be devil enough to use a play of words on this important clue?
The NY 9A intersects FDR 2 at Battery Park. Go to the intersection of 9A/2?
Current google maps don't show the roads connecting, but older map shows they did, the wiki says it still an intersection.
Older map, scroll down
https://medium.com/timetravlr-chronicle ... 0f0af1365e
FDR Drive
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FDR_Drive
Current google map
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Manha ... 73.9712488
jayheedan1
The Batter underpass would have been in place when Preiss was there, not sure if it had a number association.
Looks like the 2 may be exit numbers for both Bridges, the wiki at the bottom shows Battery park as exit 1, so maybe that doesn't fit cause then it would be 9A1 I guess. Anyone from the area confirm either way? Back to researching...
There has talk about the water drops representing the Ellis, Liberty and Governor's island. Anyone consider that maybe they are piers/or ports. Circa 1980 photos show they could be a match. If the jewel orientation is a clue like the Cleveland find was in "the loop" that would put it over by Castle Clinton area.