Thread Summary
The forum discussion revolves around a detailed theory presented by georgecraigmanning related to landmarks and symbols in New York City, particularly around Ellis Island and the Verrazzano-Narrows Bridge. The theory involves interpretations of images and verses, connecting them to historical and geographical elements in the city, as well as the potential location of a hidden treasure box. The conversation also touches on the significance of libraries, including the Fort Hamilton Library. NYCNative's response was cut off, but they seem to challenge georgecraigmanning to handle feedback better and engage in constructive conversations. The debate highlights differing perspectives on offering feedback and the value of constructive criticism in online discussions. Other users criticize georgecraigmanning's theory as lazy and mashed up, prompting a defense from georgecraigmanning emphasizing the value of creating something over mere criticism. The discussion also delves into the importance of respecting others' efforts and suggests that if one doesn't like something, they should create what they would prefer to see. Erpobdelliforme acknowledges that theories can be interesting but criticizes those motivated by profit rather than genuine exploration. Overall, the discussion explores the nature of theories, the importance of constructive criticism, and skepticism towards theories driven by profit.
georgecraigmanning
My theory of The Secret, image 12/verse 10...
Immigration, Ellis Island, Lady Liberty.
Dots are the Ishihara Colorblind Test- USA is colorblind.
Eagle matches the Art-Deco eagles on top of Ellis Island Ferry Building.
Red rectangle is dock on Ellis Island.
Spires are the domes on the main Ellis Island Building.
Arched shape is the Verrazzano-Narrows Bridge towers...
-In the shadow of the grey giant...
The grey giant is the Verrazzano Bridge.
-Find the arm that extends over the slender path...
The arm is the Verrazzano Bridge deck and the slender path is The Narrows.
-In summer you’ll often hear a whirling sound cars abound...
Roadway of bridge is actually 12 feet lower in summer due to thermal expansion and the traffic causes a whirling sound below.
Below is Fort Hamilton.
-Although the sign nearby speaks of indies native...
The sign nearby is the sign at Fort Hamilton Triangle Park, several blocks away.
Hamilton was a British West Indies Native.
-The natives still speak of him of hard word in 3 vols...
The natives are Native New Yorkers.
Hard word...more later.
3 vols...more later.
-Take twice as many east steps as the hour or more...
The images clock shows 11 o’clock, so I walk exactly 22 WEST steps in the crosswalk with my 6 foot frame from the tip of Fort Hamilton Triangle.
West, because I believe images 1 and 12 are sister/mirror images (east coast-west coast, VZ Bridge-GG Bridge, NYC-SF, immigration). Keep in mind that in the Chicago and Cleveland finds, the ‘out of order hypothesis’ and the ‘reverse/backwards hypothesis’ were used in the find.
-From the middle of one branch of the V look down and see simple roots in rhapsodic mans soil...
Branch...more later.
Upon walking my 22 steps, I’m facing of a 4 foot tall iron V. The V is a support to a gate. The gate surrounds the Fort Hamilton Library.
In the 1890’s Mrs. Gelstin of Shore road, with a capital of faith and 5 dollars, donated a collection of books to open the Fort Hamilton Free Library...
Simple roots!
In 1901 it became a branch of the Brooklyn Public Library, and in 1905 with a 1.6 million dollar gift from philanthropist Andrew Carnegie, moves to its present building. The Fort Hamilton Library became one of Brooklyn’s first Carnegie Libraries.
Carnegie is probably best known for Carnegie Hall, one of the most prestigious venues in the world of music...
Rhapsodic mans soil!
-Or gaze north toward the isle of B...
Gazing south (again, reversed) is Bedloe’s Island, renamed Liberty Island in 1956.
In the Travel/ Discovery Chanel episode, Preiss’s daughters were asked:”Is there any doubt in your mind that one of the boxes are here (NYC)?” They replied: “So he did say in a very fatherly way”: “Where would daddy bury a treasure?”...Library!
Hard word...Library!
3 vols...Library!
Branch...Library!
The Native New Yorkers still speak of Hamilton of hard word in 3 vols...Fort Hamilton to Fort Hamilton Triangle to Fort Hamilton Library!
If you invert Woman/image 12 you have a V. In the center of that V is the image of a lion, the symbol of a library to every New Yorker.
Perhaps the lion’s face on the woman’s robe in the image is a nod to Patience and Fortitude, the twin lions outside the New York Public Library and NYC mascots (thanks Gail).
Co-authors Sean Kelly & Ted Mann we’re from Montreal, believed to be a casque location. John Jude Palencar was born 20 min away from Cleveland find. Byron Preiss was born in Brooklyn.
So, V marks the spot!
NYCNative
You might be off to a good start with this but it seems a bit lazy and from what I understand, you are saying him of hard word is Hamilton or the Library?
If Hamilton is the Indies Native, how is he also him of hard word? Naming 3 pieces of land named after Hamilton does not seem to work as 3 vols.
Started off strong but then I feel you just mashed stuff up together to make a solve.
NYCNative
Also, if you are in the Library, how would Bedloe Island be South?
And if you are going by the daughters quotes, then why are the other clues in the image not visible from the spot?
georgecraigmanning
Lazy & mashed up. Lol
idyl
georgecraigmanning wrote::
Lazy & mashed up. Lol
I mean, they're not wrong.
georgecraigmanning
They? Lol
idyl
georgecraigmanning wrote::
They? Lol
Yeah, the singular pronoun "they." I could use "he" but I don't know if it's a he. Not sure what your point here is.
georgecraigmanning
Just a theory. Like it. Don’t like it. All good.
phrabbott
I guess I’m not sure what you’re looking for.
Over the last couple months I’ve seen you post this on multiple Facebook pages multiple times. In exactly the same way. No additions, no indication of what you want people to do with it.
You’ve been presented some constructive opinions finally, and you scoff.
Just dig it up already?
georgecraigmanning
I’m just a NYC retiree. I play by the rules, the law. Wouldn’t F it up for the community. This is supposed to be fun. Sharing ideas. Keep it real
georgecraigmanning
And fun
NYCNative
George,
What is the point of posting a theory if you can not handle the feedback? If you are taking criticism that personally insulting, then you should probably stop posing your theory. I asked you legitimate question about your theory and instead of answers them, you choose to laugh it off. If you are here to have people agree with you only, you are in for a rude awakening. If you are actually looking to have a constructive conversation about theories, then I would suggest you tuck your ego and arrogance away.
Since you have no response to the questions asked, I bid you good luck until you become mature enough to see more then your own perspective.
georgecraigmanning
Criticism is cheap. Anybody can criticize. Creating something of value is significantly more difficult. I’d think twice before insulting somebody on something you haven’t attempted to do yourself. It’s easy for the least athletic people to find flaw in a professional football players footwork, but overall, isn’t that player the more impressive one? We can easily hear when a singer hits a wrong note, but if we’re tone deaf ourselves, why insult somebody who has worked so hard to sing as well as they do?
If you don’t like the articles on here, then write the sort of thing you would like to read. Don’t complain about the world. Make it better.
TR
It’s just a theory
NYCNative
georgecraigmanning wrote::
Criticism is cheap. Anybody can criticize. Creating something of value is significantly more difficult. I’d think twice before insulting somebody on something you haven’t attempted to do yourself. It’s easy for the least athletic people to find flaw in a professional football players footwork, but overall, isn’t that player the more impressive one? We can easily hear when a singer hits a wrong note, but if we’re tone deaf ourselves, why insult somebody who has worked so hard to sing as well as they do?
If you don’t like the articles on here, then write the sort of thing you would like to read. Don’t complain about the world. Make it better.
TR
It’s just a theory
Creating something of value is difficult, as you have proved. What value does your theory have if it breaks, as do you, when anyone questions it? The point of criticism is to make it better. Perhaps you could of defended your theory with facts or clarification, yet you choose to go another route. These are not articles, they are post on a forum that is used to share information and converse with others to gain new perspectives and hopefully solve a puzzle. Nobody is here for the solely for the enjoyment of reading a tale.
So in your words: Don't complain about the criticism, make your "theory" better. Or maybe take up shuffleboard or something simple.
Erpobdelliforme
Unknown:
It’s just a theory
And that is all it will ever be unless you are willing to dig, or find someone to do it for you.
And just to be clear, I don't mind random theories, or what I call "solves" per say. They can be interesting and certainly give the forum members something to read and argue about. But, as I said in another thread, I do mind that people actually think that this is the puzzle that Preiss created and sold. What basically amounts to a random scavenger hunt across North America, designed without much thought or cohesion, and with the sole purpose of selling a few books and making a few bucks. People are quick to defend their pet theories, but I have yet to see what I consider to be a valid defense of what amounts to a very cynical and self-serving point of view on which those theories must be based.