DRUNK NOTES : ALL THE THEORIES FROM THE NEW ORLEANS THREAD Hello! I've noticed that, for whatever reason, many posters are averse to reading an entire thread before posting. This is understandable, but it leads to a lot of retreading, which increases the white noise and makes it hard for real new ground to be broken. So, I went through the entire 117 page thread, and pulled out every theory/image match proposal I could find. Hopefully, this will make it easier for everyone to get caught up. If you don't see a theory of yours, here, there might be several reasons: - It didn't relate to the image at all, just to the verse - It was definitely disproved by a previous find - It was entirely speculative ("there might be a werewolf statue in New Orleans and maybe it's next to a wall with 21 x 15 bricks") - It was based entirely on pictures which are no longer available (i.e. "Hey here's a great match[links to blank images because the hosting server is no more]") - I just plain messed up. I ain't gotta lie to kick it. BUT THAT'S OKAY! If you don't see your theory from the thread restated here, feel free to post it as a response! I hope this will increase the signal-to-noise ratio in the main thread. Also, I didn't include images, but you can just go to the relevant page in the thread if you want to see. The main thread: viewtopic.php?f=32&t=740 SUMMARY Image 7 (New Orleans) Page 1 - Preservation acts passed in 1929 - Preservation Hall is a popular jazz hall - Storyland in City Park, Guy on clock face kind of looks like Peter Pan - Horse head outside Preservation Hall Page 2 - 29 90 latitude for N.O. hidden in Image - City Park was kind of a dump until 1985 Page 3 - Spikes on hour hand might be a fence. Maybe the fence outside Anne Rice's house - Thalia street named for muse of comedy, mask looks like comedy/tragedy masks - Jackson square is skewed a bit, and the other blocks in the area are square. Might be what the strange tilted square above the horse head is referring to Page 4 - What's that weird man-shaped squiggle on the first checkerboard square to the left of the mask's eyes? Page 5 - "Three winged and slight" might refer to the LA state flag: A pelican tearing a piece of herself off to feed her three babies - Perhaps horse head is an upside-down map of Louisiana Page 7 - Barre wrote peter pan, Port Barre is near N.O. - Jackson square has statues of Jockeys - The statue in the upper left image (the Grand Army of the Republic Memorial at Chalmette Cemetery) seems to have three things slight (and winged?) in the center of 4 alike (cannons) Page 8 - Armstrong park looks like arch above clock in painting - "I believe the mask being held is technically called a "venetian stick mask". There is a Venice Marina in the area (if you consider 70 miles in the area) " - The constellation Ursa Major (Big Bear) has 27 stars in it - St. Mary's Chapel, next to the Old Ursuline Convent, founded in 1727. - There is a letter on display in one of the buildings from Thomas Jefferson promising the "preservation" of the institution. - "I found this map of the French Quarter, and the blocks were so . . . blocky? That I wondered how it would relate to the dog/horse thing . . . which I'm really thinking now is a BEAR. (IE the Great Bear, as fox noted) . . . The map is here: hxxp://www.inetours.com/New_Orleans/ima ... er_map.gif So I counted the squares to the Bear face on pic7, 5 up and three over. I did the same on this little map, and got 5 up 3 over as Ursuline Street! The preservation thing I think is concerning the Treaty of Cession in regards to Thomas Jefferson. That letter is on display in one of the buildings. The altar just looks so clockish, to me, and the angel's flying in such a similar pose . . ." - Louis Armstrong park statue matches the mask - The tilted square on the bottom left is a knight's chess move away from the horse image Page 9 - Full chessboard on the floor of this restaurant hxxp://www.brennansneworleans.com/royalstreet.html - "Morphy" is a N.O. chess player - In looking at the front part of the book, the narrative sections before the pictures and verses you can find sections on The Passage, The Litany, and The Vanishing. The Passage section is the most interesting in that there are a number of drawings in the borders that have to do with our hunt. On page 13, a werewolf can be seen in the bottom left corner standing on the shore. His shirt looks awfully familiar. Loups Garoux is French for werewolf. The small dog-horse-state outline-bear image in the lower right hand corner of image 7, has always looked like a wolf to me. The arm that holds the mask is not quite human (the hair on its arm, the broken long nails). The full moon rising at midnight on the clock, just feels like werewolf lore. I have done a number of searches for werewolves, and recently loups garoux with new orleans, no luck. But what if it is simplier than that: Wolf + NO ? Loyola University Wolfpack ??. There are a few verses that could relate to a college campus or law school. V3 (coliseum with metal walls); V7 (Education and Justice). Additionally V7's Twain's attention may indicate the Mississippi river itself. " - Dec –P 7, 12 o’clock, turquoise, narcissus. In the Litany of the Jewels it says, “Turquoise the Fays of France keep: stone rare as a blue midsummer day.” Here, we have the French connection. - Third, there was a famous store in New Orleans that people would refer to as in ‘meet me under the clock at Holmes.’ The D.H. Holmes Clock store, located at 800 Iberville St (according to Mapquest, exactly .53 miles or one minute from the aforementioned jazz club) closed in 1989 and has since become the Chateau Sonesta Hotel where they are said to be considering replacing the old marquee and clock. When I googled ‘Holmes clock’ I got a photo of the EXACT SAME CLOCK as in the picture. Pages 10-11 - "Finally, the guy in the clock. I originally thought he was a jockey, but after looking at pictures, it doesn't make any sense. He doesn't have the boots. However, he is somewhat like the old time baseball players, who used to wear similar stockings and even ties. - "I believe the figure on the clock face is a harlequin figure, the mask is a harlequin mask, and the pattern on the wall is a harlequin pattern (though usually diamonds, not squares). So the keyword (for me) seems to be harlequin. Besides the obvious Mardi Gras reference, there just happens to be a Harlequin Park in New Orleans." - I liked the idea of Harlequin Park or Tourmaline Park, the parks on Jewel and Turquoise Streets. It's a great tie-in with Verse 2:In the place where jewels abound. - "I do think it looks like a theater-type mask, as opposed to a Mardi Gras mask. Theater-goers in New Orleans go to the Mahalia Jackson Theater for the Performing Arts, which is in Armstrong Park. " - "A friend of mine in N'Orleans scouted around for a statue which might match the "mask on a stick" in our image. It is the Sidney Bechet Monument in Congo Square, a part of Armstrong Park, which has an "arc of lights" at its entrance." Page 12 - (post Katrina) A CNN report from earlier this evening might be of interest to this group: Aerial shots indicate the city jewel -- the French Quarter -- remains intact and relatively dry... Café du Monde, the home of sugar-dusted beignets -- puffy, rectangular doughnuts -- is still there. Just across the street behind Jackson Square, the Cabildo and Presbytre museums still squat beside St. Louis Cathedral. "By and large, the French Quarter seems to be dry," Foreman noted. "That's important. That's home to Preservation Hall. - I put V2 as the verse for these reasons. 1. At a place where jewels abound...at Mardi Gras plastic beads are thrown and coveted like precious jewels. 2.As the sound of friends Fills the afternoon hours I thought of the peristyle and other places in City Park. 3.Here is a sovereign people...the Mardi Gras krewes have the Kings and Queens which rule for the entire year till they are replaced the next year. 4.Gnomes admire Fays delight The namesakes meeting Near this site...Storyland at City Park is a Fairytale theme park. The best website for City Park is not working because of the disaster there right now. However, all this was done with no research...just gut feeling and memory. Ya'll have done a great job and I am proud that so many people are learning about one of my favorite cities. Just at this time, please give to the Red Cross, Salvation Army or some legitimate charity. New Orleans, the city that care forgot, really needs your care right now. - a Picture of Armstrong park lit up at night. hxxp://wwwicg.informatik.uni-rostock.de ... 0night.jpg a Picture of manhole covers in Armstrong park...thought it was interesting about only 3 stand guard...ok, it's a stretch, but so is everything else. hxxp://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl= ... D%26sa%3DN A picture of Armstrong park arch in the day light...to me the points that you see on the arch remind me of the clock hands that point to the hour of 12 on the clock hxxp://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl= ... D%26sa%3DN - Hi, another Louis Armstrong post...things are really leading me to believe that this is a life mask of Louis Armstrong. In referance to 12 o'clock at night (midnight). Louis was the singer, performer and trumpet player on an album or catalog of music called "Jazz 'round Midnight". Louis was known as the King of Jazz. This album featured other artists such as Ella Fitzgerald, the Queen of Scat. Having said that, there are 2 places that could be associated with this picture. New Orleans of course and also where he lived out his life in Corona, Queens, New York. I think it would be good if there could two discussions. One for New Orleans and one for Queens. I know the worlds fair was held there and that they turned "singer bowl" in Flushing Queens into Louis Armstrong bowl. And, I know that Interstate 678, the missing numbers on the clock run through Corona. This is all that I know about any architecture in Queens besides his house. In reguards to the chess connection, I think that is perfectly logical. Besides the personal reasons I think Jazz and chess are similar, there is a very obvious one. Both have to do with royalty, on the chess board there are kings, queens, knights, etc. In jazz you have King Louis, Queen of Scat, Count Bassie, Duke Ellington. Page 13: - When I saw that he had a connection to Audubon Park in New Orleans--it really caught my attention. One of my theories of where it may be in New Orleans was Audubon Park near the Audubon Zoo. The pictures has always reminded me of werewolf lore. The full moon, the not quite so human hand, the small wolf head down in the right lower side on the checker board pattern, and the picture of a werewolf in the front part of the book on page 13 wearing a similar shirt as that pictured in P7. "From France came the sturdy seafaring Korreds of Brittany; the nomadic, shape-shifting Lutins of Normandy....Loups Garoux from the forests." pg 13 Werewolf legends of France were brought with settlers into Louisianna. Historically (and somewhat whimsically), the Audubon Zoo has on display, a large stuffed Le Loup Garou in their swamp exhibit there. However, I don't know if it still exists, but I believe it to have been present back in the 80's. I was always intrigue that this may be a starting place. Curious. Really nice find though. - I like the possibilities of City Park. I believe Fox mentioned this park much earlier in this thread. Nothing conclusive, but I found enough to be intrigued. Wish I could get there in person to look for more. Here's a couple of pictures of some structure in City Park. The left-hand side is an overhead from Google Earth. The outline of the end of the bldg is a pretty good match for the arch and horizontal flats on either side. It's not an unusual shape, so I imagine we could find matches in other places, but I figured I go ahead and throw this out there and see what y'all think. The right-hand side is just another view of the same bldg, but again I think you can get a good feel for that shape. Image There's a section of City Park call Storyland. It gots lots of fairy-tale/nursery-rhyme/Disney type stuff in there - seems like a good fit for this hunt. I was hoping to find a match for the flying guy in the clock face, but no luck so far. Terrific find, Jambone. The Greek structure is the Peristyle. From a website: - Here's a site with many pictures of Storyland. Unfortunately the site is about the damage and recovery efforts. hxxp://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl= ... en%26lr%3D One thing that stood out for me was the arch bridge (near the bottom of the page) is a match for the wooden top of the clock. In fact, in one image it appears that there may be two bridges side-by-side like the top of the clock. Page 14 - The park in which the [Louis Armstrong] statue is in has: "Preservation Hall No4" Interestingly close to Jackson Square. If someone was on site, they could start at Cafe DuMonde (at the door of Jackson Square) and walk due north on St Ann's Street six blocks and hit upon the statue. Page 15 - I goggled New Orleans and grandfather clock and I got one consistent hit: The Hotel Monteleone (over one hundredyears old) - Let me put everyones minds to rest about the Monteleone. There are no bushes out front. It would be impossible to bury anything remotely near this hotel. The only green space in and around the Quarter is the following; 1. Jackson Square. Impossible. Gates are locked in the eve. and there is no way to dig without getting arrested.. 2.Armstrong Park. This was mentioned last year as a possible location. Not bad. However the Park falls under the Park service jurisdiction and their rules are quite strict about digging. 3.Lafeyette Square.Has statue of Henry Clay, and John McDonough. Could be Education and Justice.However the Giant Pole, Giant Step is weird. 4. There is a triangular green space on Decatur. Sorry to say that if anything is buried there it has been covered by a huge statue of Bienville. This is near the riverboat docking area.Twains attention? 5. Washington Square Park. No statues, walls, monuments,poles, steps or anything else that fits with this poem. I would forget the Quarter as a location(except for the triangular park...). If you look at images of the Cathedral you will notice arches that look like the "grandfather clock" as you chose to call it. Big landmark.' Page 16 - The Image Seven is bathed in a shadow. It is dominate in the background as the discolored purple and brown squares show. This coupled with the stars and moon made me think of a "sky scraper" I reviewed by French Quarter Maps and what did I see... The Skyscraper House (Dr. Le Monnier House) Four stories built in 1811. The photos I saw show that the first three stories are bathed in shadows (from its location and the surrounding buildings) Just like the image. AND ITS PURPLE! This is on 600 Royle Street (I am fixed on Royal street being the key - Near ace is high) Corner of Royal and St Peter. Whoa... look down St Peter from this corner... I can see Preservation Hall. Now if I started at Cafe Du Monde (air smells sweet) I would have had to travel mostly North but first across (to get here!) I know I know You are all saying you are in the middle of a city block. But wait... Directly behind me is St Anthony's GARDEN! (someone could bury something in here - BP buried something at a National Park and a Zoo) Ok... Now I am in the Iron gates of the Garden.... the purple skyscraper is across the street and just to my left and preservation hall is directly in front of me a half block away...and just behind me to my left is William Faulkner's House (a contemporary of Mark Twain) and guess what... people are buried in this garden (19 Mexican sailors) This is commemorated with an Obelisk in the garden (a giant pole)) (A pole for the dead) A Giant Pole, A Giant Step... to the place the casque is kept! - Looking out toward Royal Street. Reading the sailors inscription.... look what their ship is called: Tonnere: Thunder ("sounds from the sky") This is part of the Cathedral property, (not far away high posts are three) (The verse walks you from the front of the church to the back of the church) Also on Royal street is the Supreme Court Buildings (and the cirucit courts) (Justice for all to see)' ' - First of all Le Monnier house is at 640 Royal st. It is on the corner of St.Peter.It is NOT purple. Second directly behind you is NOT St. Anthonys garden. This is on Royal And Orleans. Preservation hall is not visible on this corner. Third, where did you read that Mexicans are buried here? Members of the French Navy are interred here. Fourth, this pole is diminutive. I understand your excitement and encourage it but please, check your facts... - I do think that "running north but first across" is used for both the MIssissippi River (Twain's attention) and to get you to somewhere on Royal Street (in jewel's direction) Page 17 - MUST be 12 o'clock to fit. December = turquoise, narcissus, 12 oclock . - City Park does seem likely, especially because of that giant narcissus. But don't forget that Jackson Square has much going for it, too. Consider: 1. If one orients the Jackson statue's horse so that the clock face is directly behind it, it resembles the horse thingy at the lower right of P7. Image 2. A few have noted that Jackson Square resembles the clock face in P7. Jackson Square is a circle within a square. The small semicircle at the top could refer to the amphitheatre-like structure at the southern end of the Square, across Decatur St. The moon at the top (frishkie mentioned this) could be a reference to the Moonwalk, located just beyond it on the riverbank. Image 3. One of the buildings flanking the Square is the Pontalba Apartments. "White house close at hand"? If this interpretation is correct, the position of the second hand might be pointing us toward the western gate. -While we are at jackson Square for a moment, I had another interpretation of the verse (7).... If we are standing at Cafe Du Monde (Southern Gate of Jackson Square) (the air smells sweet) and we are looking directly through the Square (towards the orientation shown above) and seeing the cathedral (high posts are three) - all mentioned before - "Running north but first across, Is an object of twain's attention" What we see from the current spot, (turning around and looking south) is the Canal Street Ferry. So if this ferry extends Canal Street, then it (running from Algiers to New Orleans) runs mostly North but first across! and Twain (in its original meaning) is a measure of the tide(depth) as the boat navagates.... I think this meaning is suggested by the us of 'attention' (as opposed to an alternative possible choice as 'affection') So the verse directs on to 'Canal Street' (in this interpretation) Page 18 - If you are standing at Cafe Du Monde you are looking down St Ann st. At the corner of the square. The Canal St. ferry is not visible from this corner. Or any for that matter. If you were standing atop the military park by the cannon, however, you would see up and downriver.And Jackson's horse from the angle depicted in the painting. -In the 80's Woldenberg Park was all warehouses. I think the Artillery park is it. But only if verse #7 is the match

DRUNK NOTES : ALL THE THEORIES FROM THE NEW ORLEANS THREAD Hello! I've noticed that, for whatever reason, many posters are averse to reading an entire thread before posting. This is understandable, but it leads to a lot of retreading, which increases the white noise and makes it hard for real new ground to be broken. So, I went through the entire 117 page thread, and pulled out every theory/image match proposal I could find. Hopefully, this will make it easier for everyone to get caught up. If you don't see a theory of yours, here, there might be several reasons: - It didn't relate to the image at all, just to the verse - It was definitely disproved by a previous find - It was entirely speculative ("there might be a werewolf statue in New Orleans and maybe it's next to a wall with 21 x 15 bricks") - It was based entirely on pictures which are no longer available (i.e. "Hey here's a great match[links to blank images because the hosting server is no more]") - I just plain messed up. I ain't gotta lie to kick it. BUT THAT'S OKAY! If you don't see your theory from the thread restated here, feel free to post it as a response! I hope this will increase the signal-to-noise ratio in the main thread. Also, I didn't include images, but you can just go to the relevant page in the thread if you want to see. The main thread: viewtopic.php?f=32&t=740 SUMMARY Image 7 (New Orleans) Page 1 - Preservation acts passed in 1929 - Preservation Hall is a popular jazz hall - Storyland in City Park, Guy on clock face kind of looks like Peter Pan - Horse head outside Preservation Hall Page 2 - 29 90 latitude for N.O. hidden in Image - City Park was kind of a dump until 1985 Page 3 - Spikes on hour hand might be a fence. Maybe the fence outside Anne Rice's house - Thalia street named for muse of comedy, mask looks like comedy/tragedy masks - Jackson square is skewed a bit, and the other blocks in the area are square. Might be what the strange tilted square above the horse head is referring to Page 4 - What's that weird man-shaped squiggle on the first checkerboard square to the left of the mask's eyes? Page 5 - "Three winged and slight" might refer to the LA state flag: A pelican tearing a piece of herself off to feed her three babies - Perhaps horse head is an upside-down map of Louisiana Page 7 - Barre wrote peter pan, Port Barre is near N.O. - Jackson square has statues of Jockeys - The statue in the upper left image (the Grand Army of the Republic Memorial at Chalmette Cemetery) seems to have three things slight (and winged?) in the center of 4 alike (cannons) Page 8 - Armstrong park looks like arch above clock in painting - "I believe the mask being held is technically called a "venetian stick mask". There is a Venice Marina in the area (if you consider 70 miles in the area) " - The constellation Ursa Major (Big Bear) has 27 stars in it - St. Mary's Chapel, next to the Old Ursuline Convent, founded in 1727. - There is a letter on display in one of the buildings from Thomas Jefferson promising the "preservation" of the institution. - "I found this map of the French Quarter, and the blocks were so . . . blocky? That I wondered how it would relate to the dog/horse thing . . . which I'm really thinking now is a BEAR. (IE the Great Bear, as fox noted) . . . The map is here: hxxp://www.inetours.com/New_Orleans/ima ... er_map.gif So I counted the squares to the Bear face on pic7, 5 up and three over. I did the same on this little map, and got 5 up 3 over as Ursuline Street! The preservation thing I think is concerning the Treaty of Cession in regards to Thomas Jefferson. That letter is on display in one of the buildings. The altar just looks so clockish, to me, and the angel's flying in such a similar pose . . ." - Louis Armstrong park statue matches the mask - The tilted square on the bottom left is a knight's chess move away from the horse image Page 9 - Full chessboard on the floor of this restaurant hxxp://www.brennansneworleans.com/royalstreet.html - "Morphy" is a N.O. chess player - In looking at the front part of the book, the narrative sections before the pictures and verses you can find sections on The Passage, The Litany, and The Vanishing. The Passage section is the most interesting in that there are a number of drawings in the borders that have to do with our hunt. On page 13, a werewolf can be seen in the bottom left corner standing on the shore. His shirt looks awfully familiar. Loups Garoux is French for werewolf. The small dog-horse-state outline-bear image in the lower right hand corner of image 7, has always looked like a wolf to me. The arm that holds the mask is not quite human (the hair on its arm, the broken long nails). The full moon rising at midnight on the clock, just feels like werewolf lore. I have done a number of searches for werewolves, and recently loups garoux with new orleans, no luck. But what if it is simplier than that: Wolf + NO ? Loyola University Wolfpack ??. There are a few verses that could relate to a college campus or law school. V3 (coliseum with metal walls); V7 (Education and Justice). Additionally V7's Twain's attention may indicate the Mississippi river itself. " - Dec –P 7, 12 o’clock, turquoise, narcissus. In the Litany of the Jewels it says, “Turquoise the Fays of France keep: stone rare as a blue midsummer day.” Here, we have the French connection. - Third, there was a famous store in New Orleans that people would refer to as in ‘meet me under the clock at Holmes.’ The D.H. Holmes Clock store, located at 800 Iberville St (according to Mapquest, exactly .53 miles or one minute from the aforementioned jazz club) closed in 1989 and has since become the Chateau Sonesta Hotel where they are said to be considering replacing the old marquee and clock. When I googled ‘Holmes clock’ I got a photo of the EXACT SAME CLOCK as in the picture. Pages 10-11 - "Finally, the guy in the clock. I originally thought he was a jockey, but after looking at pictures, it doesn't make any sense. He doesn't have the boots. However, he is somewhat like the old time baseball players, who used to wear similar stockings and even ties. - "I believe the figure on the clock face is a harlequin figure, the mask is a harlequin mask, and the pattern on the wall is a harlequin pattern (though usually diamonds, not squares). So the keyword (for me) seems to be harlequin. Besides the obvious Mardi Gras reference, there just happens to be a Harlequin Park in New Orleans." - I liked the idea of Harlequin Park or Tourmaline Park, the parks on Jewel and Turquoise Streets. It's a great tie-in with Verse 2:In the place where jewels abound. - "I do think it looks like a theater-type mask, as opposed to a Mardi Gras mask. Theater-goers in New Orleans go to the Mahalia Jackson Theater for the Performing Arts, which is in Armstrong Park. " - "A friend of mine in N'Orleans scouted around for a statue which might match the "mask on a stick" in our image. It is the Sidney Bechet Monument in Congo Square, a part of Armstrong Park, which has an "arc of lights" at its entrance." Page 12 - (post Katrina) A CNN report from earlier this evening might be of interest to this group: Aerial shots indicate the city jewel -- the French Quarter -- remains intact and relatively dry... Café du Monde, the home of sugar-dusted beignets -- puffy, rectangular doughnuts -- is still there. Just across the street behind Jackson Square, the Cabildo and Presbytre museums still squat beside St. Louis Cathedral. "By and large, the French Quarter seems to be dry," Foreman noted. "That's important. That's home to Preservation Hall. - I put V2 as the verse for these reasons. 1. At a place where jewels abound...at Mardi Gras plastic beads are thrown and coveted like precious jewels. 2.As the sound of friends Fills the afternoon hours I thought of the peristyle and other places in City Park. 3.Here is a sovereign people...the Mardi Gras krewes have the Kings and Queens which rule for the entire year till they are replaced the next year. 4.Gnomes admire Fays delight The namesakes meeting Near this site...Storyland at City Park is a Fairytale theme park. The best website for City Park is not working because of the disaster there right now. However, all this was done with no research...just gut feeling and memory. Ya'll have done a great job and I am proud that so many people are learning about one of my favorite cities. Just at this time, please give to the Red Cross, Salvation Army or some legitimate charity. New Orleans, the city that care forgot, really needs your care right now. - a Picture of Armstrong park lit up at night. hxxp://wwwicg.informatik.uni-rostock.de ... 0night.jpg a Picture of manhole covers in Armstrong park...thought it was interesting about only 3 stand guard...ok, it's a stretch, but so is everything else. hxxp://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl= ... D%26sa%3DN A picture of Armstrong park arch in the day light...to me the points that you see on the arch remind me of the clock hands that point to the hour of 12 on the clock hxxp://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl= ... D%26sa%3DN - Hi, another Louis Armstrong post...things are really leading me to believe that this is a life mask of Louis Armstrong. In referance to 12 o'clock at night (midnight). Louis was the singer, performer and trumpet player on an album or catalog of music called "Jazz 'round Midnight". Louis was known as the King of Jazz. This album featured other artists such as Ella Fitzgerald, the Queen of Scat. Having said that, there are 2 places that could be associated with this picture. New Orleans of course and also where he lived out his life in Corona, Queens, New York. I think it would be good if there could two discussions. One for New Orleans and one for Queens. I know the worlds fair was held there and that they turned "singer bowl" in Flushing Queens into Louis Armstrong bowl. And, I know that Interstate 678, the missing numbers on the clock run through Corona. This is all that I know about any architecture in Queens besides his house. In reguards to the chess connection, I think that is perfectly logical. Besides the personal reasons I think Jazz and chess are similar, there is a very obvious one. Both have to do with royalty, on the chess board there are kings, queens, knights, etc. In jazz you have King Louis, Queen of Scat, Count Bassie, Duke Ellington. Page 13: - When I saw that he had a connection to Audubon Park in New Orleans--it really caught my attention. One of my theories of where it may be in New Orleans was Audubon Park near the Audubon Zoo. The pictures has always reminded me of werewolf lore. The full moon, the not quite so human hand, the small wolf head down in the right lower side on the checker board pattern, and the picture of a werewolf in the front part of the book on page 13 wearing a similar shirt as that pictured in P7. "From France came the sturdy seafaring Korreds of Brittany; the nomadic, shape-shifting Lutins of Normandy....Loups Garoux from the forests." pg 13 Werewolf legends of France were brought with settlers into Louisianna. Historically (and somewhat whimsically), the Audubon Zoo has on display, a large stuffed Le Loup Garou in their swamp exhibit there. However, I don't know if it still exists, but I believe it to have been present back in the 80's. I was always intrigue that this may be a starting place. Curious. Really nice find though. - I like the possibilities of City Park. I believe Fox mentioned this park much earlier in this thread. Nothing conclusive, but I found enough to be intrigued. Wish I could get there in person to look for more. Here's a couple of pictures of some structure in City Park. The left-hand side is an overhead from Google Earth. The outline of the end of the bldg is a pretty good match for the arch and horizontal flats on either side. It's not an unusual shape, so I imagine we could find matches in other places, but I figured I go ahead and throw this out there and see what y'all think. The right-hand side is just another view of the same bldg, but again I think you can get a good feel for that shape. Image There's a section of City Park call Storyland. It gots lots of fairy-tale/nursery-rhyme/Disney type stuff in there - seems like a good fit for this hunt. I was hoping to find a match for the flying guy in the clock face, but no luck so far. Terrific find, Jambone. The Greek structure is the Peristyle. From a website: - Here's a site with many pictures of Storyland. Unfortunately the site is about the damage and recovery efforts. hxxp://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl= ... en%26lr%3D One thing that stood out for me was the arch bridge (near the bottom of the page) is a match for the wooden top of the clock. In fact, in one image it appears that there may be two bridges side-by-side like the top of the clock. Page 14 - The park in which the [Louis Armstrong] statue is in has: "Preservation Hall No4" Interestingly close to Jackson Square. If someone was on site, they could start at Cafe DuMonde (at the door of Jackson Square) and walk due north on St Ann's Street six blocks and hit upon the statue. Page 15 - I goggled New Orleans and grandfather clock and I got one consistent hit: The Hotel Monteleone (over one hundredyears old) - Let me put everyones minds to rest about the Monteleone. There are no bushes out front. It would be impossible to bury anything remotely near this hotel. The only green space in and around the Quarter is the following; 1. Jackson Square. Impossible. Gates are locked in the eve. and there is no way to dig without getting arrested.. 2.Armstrong Park. This was mentioned last year as a possible location. Not bad. However the Park falls under the Park service jurisdiction and their rules are quite strict about digging. 3.Lafeyette Square.Has statue of Henry Clay, and John McDonough. Could be Education and Justice.However the Giant Pole, Giant Step is weird. 4. There is a triangular green space on Decatur. Sorry to say that if anything is buried there it has been covered by a huge statue of Bienville. This is near the riverboat docking area.Twains attention? 5. Washington Square Park. No statues, walls, monuments,poles, steps or anything else that fits with this poem. I would forget the Quarter as a location(except for the triangular park...). If you look at images of the Cathedral you will notice arches that look like the "grandfather clock" as you chose to call it. Big landmark.' Page 16 - The Image Seven is bathed in a shadow. It is dominate in the background as the discolored purple and brown squares show. This coupled with the stars and moon made me think of a "sky scraper" I reviewed by French Quarter Maps and what did I see... The Skyscraper House (Dr. Le Monnier House) Four stories built in 1811. The photos I saw show that the first three stories are bathed in shadows (from its location and the surrounding buildings) Just like the image. AND ITS PURPLE! This is on 600 Royle Street (I am fixed on Royal street being the key - Near ace is high) Corner of Royal and St Peter. Whoa... look down St Peter from this corner... I can see Preservation Hall. Now if I started at Cafe Du Monde (air smells sweet) I would have had to travel mostly North but first across (to get here!) I know I know You are all saying you are in the middle of a city block. But wait... Directly behind me is St Anthony's GARDEN! (someone could bury something in here - BP buried something at a National Park and a Zoo) Ok... Now I am in the Iron gates of the Garden.... the purple skyscraper is across the street and just to my left and preservation hall is directly in front of me a half block away...and just behind me to my left is William Faulkner's House (a contemporary of Mark Twain) and guess what... people are buried in this garden (19 Mexican sailors) This is commemorated with an Obelisk in the garden (a giant pole)) (A pole for the dead) A Giant Pole, A Giant Step... to the place the casque is kept! - Looking out toward Royal Street. Reading the sailors inscription.... look what their ship is called: Tonnere: Thunder ("sounds from the sky") This is part of the Cathedral property, (not far away high posts are three) (The verse walks you from the front of the church to the back of the church) Also on Royal street is the Supreme Court Buildings (and the cirucit courts) (Justice for all to see)' ' - First of all Le Monnier house is at 640 Royal st. It is on the corner of St.Peter.It is NOT purple. Second directly behind you is NOT St. Anthonys garden. This is on Royal And Orleans. Preservation hall is not visible on this corner. Third, where did you read that Mexicans are buried here? Members of the French Navy are interred here. Fourth, this pole is diminutive. I understand your excitement and encourage it but please, check your facts... - I do think that "running north but first across" is used for both the MIssissippi River (Twain's attention) and to get you to somewhere on Royal Street (in jewel's direction) Page 17 - MUST be 12 o'clock to fit. December = turquoise, narcissus, 12 oclock . - City Park does seem likely, especially because of that giant narcissus. But don't forget that Jackson Square has much going for it, too. Consider: 1. If one orients the Jackson statue's horse so that the clock face is directly behind it, it resembles the horse thingy at the lower right of P7. Image 2. A few have noted that Jackson Square resembles the clock face in P7. Jackson Square is a circle within a square. The small semicircle at the top could refer to the amphitheatre-like structure at the southern end of the Square, across Decatur St. The moon at the top (frishkie mentioned this) could be a reference to the Moonwalk, located just beyond it on the riverbank. Image 3. One of the buildings flanking the Square is the Pontalba Apartments. "White house close at hand"? If this interpretation is correct, the position of the second hand might be pointing us toward the western gate. -While we are at jackson Square for a moment, I had another interpretation of the verse (7).... If we are standing at Cafe Du Monde (Southern Gate of Jackson Square) (the air smells sweet) and we are looking directly through the Square (towards the orientation shown above) and seeing the cathedral (high posts are three) - all mentioned before - "Running north but first across, Is an object of twain's attention" What we see from the current spot, (turning around and looking south) is the Canal Street Ferry. So if this ferry extends Canal Street, then it (running from Algiers to New Orleans) runs mostly North but first across! and Twain (in its original meaning) is a measure of the tide(depth) as the boat navagates.... I think this meaning is suggested by the us of 'attention' (as opposed to an alternative possible choice as 'affection') So the verse directs on to 'Canal Street' (in this interpretation) Page 18 - If you are standing at Cafe Du Monde you are looking down St Ann st. At the corner of the square. The Canal St. ferry is not visible from this corner. Or any for that matter. If you were standing atop the military park by the cannon, however, you would see up and downriver.And Jackson's horse from the angle depicted in the painting. -In the 80's Woldenberg Park was all warehouses. I think the Artillery park is it. But only if verse #7 is the match

Page 19 - As soon as I saw the high-res scan of this picture, I thought about Louis Armstrong Park. Several reasons: First, the shape of the clock top is the shape of the arch over the entrance and the bridge. Second, the little "horse head" picture in the lower right, to me looked like a howling wolf--and Howlin' Wolf is a name associated with jazz. It's also the name of a club in New Orleans. hxxp://www.howlin-wolf.com/ It's also suggestive of a chess knight--and Chess was the name of a record label that recorded black music and jazz/blues; Howlin' Wolf recorded on this label. hxxp://www.howlinwolf.com/images/chess/wolf_(chess1 ).htm (See label) Also, the numbers around the clock, 19, 29--which to me said 1929 at first (before I realized it was part of the latitude/longitude) which is a year significant to Armstrong--he broke out into the national scene in the year 1929 after having played with local bands until then. The years 1929 -1941 were among his greatest recording years, and there is a CD that bears that designation. That horse/wolf head was significant in another way too--it reminded me of the first place I'd ever seen Armstrong park: in the hunt called "Treasure, the search for the Golden Horse." There's an entire segment filmed in Armstrong park - The Howlin' Wolf Club was established in December, 1988, 6 years after The Secret was published. Howlin' Wolf was also the trade name of blues artist Chester Arthur Burnett, who died 6 years before The Secret was published. I cannot find anything that links him to New Orleans, though. - I am just catching the end of a show on PBS about the history of New Orleans. Monday Feb. 11 @ 9-11pm EST. Wish I caught it all. What struck me is something the narrator said. "No one is buried underground in New Orleans. Heavy rain causes caskets to pop out of the ground." hmmmm Maybe the casque is buried.....above ground? Page 20 - Looking for Jambone's flowers in local live (City Park) I found a close match with clock's shape... hxxp://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&c ... &encType=1 I think it's name 'Specimen Gardens' or/and 'The Louisiana Purchase Garden' in Botanical Garden ( hxxp://www.pbase.com/septembermorn/city ... ne_katrina ) and then (looking for more), saw the carousel 'Flying Horses' with horses like the one in P7 (with open snouts) near this garden. ... and then... found the miss muffet's dress seems like the sleeve in P7. All of this items (Jambone's flower/miss muffet's dress, carousell with horses) are very close to gardens... - "At the place where jewels abound"==(tourmaline park/ harlequin park) neighborhood If you stand in Robert E Lee Blvd and Orleans Ave (neighborhood's south border) and go south... "Fifteen rows (streets) down (south) to the ground"(?) 1-. Walker St 2-. Mouton St 3-. Chapelle St 4-. Filmore St 5-. Porteous St 6-. Lane St 7-. Bragg St 8-. Harrison Av 9-. French St 10-. Germain St 11-. Polk St 12-. Brooks St 13-. Kenilworth St 14-. Florida Blvd 15-. Roosevelt Mall Dr=> You are in an entrance of City Park! - "In the middle of twenty-one" Image a football filed have 21 lines... Roosevelt Mall Dr run between two football field... - My reaction was similar, when I was counting the streets from "jewel abound" neighborhood, and found 15th street (Roosevelt Mall Dr) entering City Park and then see both fields beside Roosevelt Mall Dr. One of them is obvious (Tad Gormley Stadium), the other field is a running track, but inside is a football field!!! So Roosevelt Mall Dr run between two american football field matching the part of verse "In the middle of twenty-one" - If you think that miss muffet's dress seems like the sleeve in P7... I think this mask seems like a shovel... download/file.php?id=1469&mode=view - Also to consider, the stands around the football field form a U, the 21st letter in the alphabet. Page 22 - i think the checkered pattern was just to lead us to harlequin park. i think bclews mentioned harlequin park and eliayo had the 15 streets down to city park to go with verse 2. i did think your lines could make RR and there is a historic train garden at city park. the football fields- "in the middle of 21" the peristyle building--the shape of the clock--------does anyone know how many lions are on that building? the barking horse--the carousel hxxp://flickr.com/photos/ventriloblog/1 ... otostream/ the puffed sleeves--storyland (and maybe my humpty dumpty w/stick also) the two designs (flowers?) to left and right of clock face remind me of the two angels at the entrance of City park peter pan - peter pan and tinkerbell (namesake) and fairy dust. and twinkling stars, that's how i remember my book of peter pan. hxxp://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatc ... _feat3.php hope they haven't been close to tinkerbelle and cinderella with stars: hxxp://3dlaseretchedcrystals.com/images ... s_eBay.gif the pumpkin hxxp://flickr.com/photos/gjcharlet/5069 ... otostream/ and i always imagine mother goose up in the sky: look at the checker pattern and the clock hands! hxxp://flickr.com/photos/cinderellamom/ ... 158567006/ hxxp://www.flickr.com/photos/gjcharlet/506917922/ but look at the big bad wolf's necklace and the swirls between his eyes: hxxp://flickr.com/photos/gjcharlet/5069 ... otostream/ the swirls make me think of the hand in the image her mouth? hxxp://www.flickr.com/photos/mittensohm ... et-918626/ there is a clock behind the little mermaid: hxxp://www.flickr.com/photos/edward-mel ... 463874293/ look at the clock hands and the checkered pattern! hxxp://flickr.com/photos/cinderellamom/ ... 158567006/ - Image of Miss Muffet (dress may match sleeve in painting) and flowers: hxxp://farm1.static.flickr.com/231/5069 ... 02.jpg?v=0 Page 23 - That "horse head" might be a decent match for a dragon (the dragon is a slide), or maybe the big bad wolf, in Storyland: - gnomes are considered guardians of the treasures, so maybe a treasure chest in storyland? or a bank, lol or a pot of gold at the end of a rainbow..... look this building has our moon on it: hxxp://flickr.com/photos/48352971@N00/2129330277/ jambone, here's three mushrooms, and the moon could be the gem hxxp://flickr.com/photos/gjcharlet/5069 ... otostream/ here's a closer look at the clock, looking at it like this, you see the building arch behind it, hxxp://flickr.com/photos/gjcharlet/5069 ... otostream/ regulus, i have to go back thru all the pictures now 'cause you got me wondering about the dashes in the clock, oh boy but this ladybug rollercoaster's eyes remind me of the clock hands: hxxp://flickr.com/photos/lisamulvey/309143323/ Page 24 - This is a match for the arched tops of the grandfather clock. This stone bridge is literally a stones throw from the sundial. Seems to be popular location for taking your photo. There are more good pictures online. hxxp://farm4.static.flickr.com/3207/234 ... 164e_b.jpg Page 25 - All around the park, almost every plaque reads something to the effect of "Constructed by/for the FRIENDS of City Park". Could this be our "friends" in V2? also...sorry about not being able to link up a map photo...but, if you do a google map search (or probably any other map search) find the long oval shaped loop to the northwest of the Museum..the drive is called Roosevelt Mall Drive. At the top of the drive is Beau Bassich Circle ...in the very middle of this circle is the remains of what appeared to be a small carousel containing (i believe) 6 horses..which are no longer there. It doesnt look like a carousel anymore but I am sure that is what it was. I would love to (and am still trying) to locate a picture of this ...wondering if our Peter Pan may have been on it. There are also 3 "sets" of eagle statues running the length of Roosevelt Mall Drive...could these be our 3 standing watch? They sure appear to be standing watch... - While I was in New Orleans recently, I was in Preservation Hall for a concert. I couldn't help but notice the grill work over the door. It looks hauntingly like the curved area over the clock in Image 7. download/file.php?id=1890&mode=view - A little about my research around City Park. My 8 yr old son and I went out there with a shovel and a probe in the early afternoon a couple of days ago...our focus...that darn sundial. I took lots of pics of it but really couldnt find anything else that is depicted in our picture. I do like the fact that the sundial is right next to the Casino Building which may be our "21". While looking through the glass door adjacent to the sundial, I noticed a lovely staircase with 15 steps (which I took a picture of). could this be our In the middle of 21, 15 rows down to the ground? Possibly...but I think I may be trying to force things. There were several posts (which appeared to have once held a rope or chain around the grassy area holding the sundial) but unfortunately, there were only 19 of them. I was hoping and praying for 21 of them because the sundial would be in the center of 21. While probing...or should I say...attempting to probe the ground around the sundial (especially near the 12 and the 3) I noticed that the ground was VERY hard, pretty much un-probable. I sat on a nearby bench to think of other options when my son called to me and said "Dad, come here and look at what I found." As he was circling the sundial, he stepped into a fairly deep sinkhole...and when I stuck the probe in...I found nothing but very soft soil. Now thoughts start streaming through my head... : Hmmm, a casque buried 3 1/2 feet deep...along with several feet of Katrina water on top may have collapsed causing a pretty little sink hole. Without trying to raise suspicion, I sat on the grass and begun easily digging with my bare hands. I took a break from digging and moved my probe around when "thud"..hollowness! My son and I stared at each other thinking "no way, did we find it?" Nope, turned out to be a strange, large, hollow tree trunk from a tree that is nowhere nearby. I really wanted to break out the shovel but didnt want to upset other park goers. My son suggested we come back after dark to really go at it with a shovel...and just in time, Mother Nature unleashed one heck of a downpour onto us. We, along with my wife in tow, went back later on that night and broke out the shovel. Digging was soooo easy in this spot. I know we got down to over 4 ft deep without hitting anything. I probed down another 3 to 4 feet deeper from the bottom of the hole but hit nothing. With my luck, we dug right past it... I briefly tried digging or probing at other spots but the ground was very hard. I really dont know about this site. This N.O. pic just doesnt have all of the confirmers that the Chicago & Cleveland pics held. The "bridge" which looks alot like the top of the clock was in sight nearby the sundial but there really was nothing else there. I took pictures of the sundial, other statues, bridges and scenery of other parts of the park which I will try to get up after we get home. It was after our dig that my wife came up with her theory of V1 and P7..which I am really buying into. I had considered Jackson Square long ago and when she started describing her theory of V1, I took another look. It was then that I was stunned by the resemblence of the P7 clock and the layout of Jackson Square. It is quite striking I must say. - I noticed that the P's where both the casques which were found contained: City confirmer (prominent bldg), park confirmer (Bowman statue or Greek theme), and actual items/things found in the park. Now, when looking at our N.O. pic I came up with this idea. *City confirmer - lat/long & Mardi Gras mask (possibly Preservation "hall") *Location w/in city - Preservation = French Quarters *Park Confirmer - Layout of clock looks just like Jackson Square *actual items - hmmm, the clock on St Louis Cathedral looks similar to our clock face...?... Problem is...I really don't think burying or digging up something w/in the park is feasable. This leads me to believe it may be somewhere nearby. I have taken many many pics of all angles of the Square itself as well as other nearby grassy areas nearby which I hope to get online for all to see soon. Almost, and I repeat almost everything in the picture can be explained in or around Jackson Sq. : The clock face, the moon (moonwalk), the moon/stars (city manhole covers have moon and stars), our Peter Pan (Sq is on corner of St Peters & Peter), horse head (many of the horse head poles around...as well as around most of the French Quarters)...but alas, no mask. I am beginning to believe that this is simply a Mardi Gras mask and nothing more. My wife likes an area w/in the park "one giant step" away from the "giant pole" (flagpole) which is right next to a large bush...but other than that, pretty much in the open. I am beginning to like an area between Jackson Square and the Mississippi river. After exiting the square you cross the main street, walk up a large set of stairs where a cannon sits. From there you can look down (giant step?) to a small grassy area behind a very large wall...well hidden from passerbys...especially at night time. Unfortunately, I will not be able to explore this area more fully since we will be heading out of the Big Easy tomorrow morning. I really think this area should have some more research done on it. I am not saying scrap the whole City Park theory because that park just looks like a place to bury a casque...but Jackson Square should be looked at. - Just so you know , there are 15 steps on the landing across the street[from Jackson sq]- artillary square.

Page 19 - As soon as I saw the high-res scan of this picture, I thought about Louis Armstrong Park. Several reasons: First, the shape of the clock top is the shape of the arch over the entrance and the bridge. Second, the little "horse head" picture in the lower right, to me looked like a howling wolf--and Howlin' Wolf is a name associated with jazz. It's also the name of a club in New Orleans. hxxp://www.howlin-wolf.com/ It's also suggestive of a chess knight--and Chess was the name of a record label that recorded black music and jazz/blues; Howlin' Wolf recorded on this label. hxxp://www.howlinwolf.com/images/chess/wolf_(chess1 ).htm (See label) Also, the numbers around the clock, 19, 29--which to me said 1929 at first (before I realized it was part of the latitude/longitude) which is a year significant to Armstrong--he broke out into the national scene in the year 1929 after having played with local bands until then. The years 1929 -1941 were among his greatest recording years, and there is a CD that bears that designation. That horse/wolf head was significant in another way too--it reminded me of the first place I'd ever seen Armstrong park: in the hunt called "Treasure, the search for the Golden Horse." There's an entire segment filmed in Armstrong park - The Howlin' Wolf Club was established in December, 1988, 6 years after The Secret was published. Howlin' Wolf was also the trade name of blues artist Chester Arthur Burnett, who died 6 years before The Secret was published. I cannot find anything that links him to New Orleans, though. - I am just catching the end of a show on PBS about the history of New Orleans. Monday Feb. 11 @ 9-11pm EST. Wish I caught it all. What struck me is something the narrator said. "No one is buried underground in New Orleans. Heavy rain causes caskets to pop out of the ground." hmmmm Maybe the casque is buried.....above ground? Page 20 - Looking for Jambone's flowers in local live (City Park) I found a close match with clock's shape... hxxp://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&c ... &encType=1 I think it's name 'Specimen Gardens' or/and 'The Louisiana Purchase Garden' in Botanical Garden ( hxxp://www.pbase.com/septembermorn/city ... ne_katrina ) and then (looking for more), saw the carousel 'Flying Horses' with horses like the one in P7 (with open snouts) near this garden. ... and then... found the miss muffet's dress seems like the sleeve in P7. All of this items (Jambone's flower/miss muffet's dress, carousell with horses) are very close to gardens... - "At the place where jewels abound"==(tourmaline park/ harlequin park) neighborhood If you stand in Robert E Lee Blvd and Orleans Ave (neighborhood's south border) and go south... "Fifteen rows (streets) down (south) to the ground"(?) 1-. Walker St 2-. Mouton St 3-. Chapelle St 4-. Filmore St 5-. Porteous St 6-. Lane St 7-. Bragg St 8-. Harrison Av 9-. French St 10-. Germain St 11-. Polk St 12-. Brooks St 13-. Kenilworth St 14-. Florida Blvd 15-. Roosevelt Mall Dr=> You are in an entrance of City Park! - "In the middle of twenty-one" Image a football filed have 21 lines... Roosevelt Mall Dr run between two football field... - My reaction was similar, when I was counting the streets from "jewel abound" neighborhood, and found 15th street (Roosevelt Mall Dr) entering City Park and then see both fields beside Roosevelt Mall Dr. One of them is obvious (Tad Gormley Stadium), the other field is a running track, but inside is a football field!!! So Roosevelt Mall Dr run between two american football field matching the part of verse "In the middle of twenty-one" - If you think that miss muffet's dress seems like the sleeve in P7... I think this mask seems like a shovel... download/file.php?id=1469&mode=view - Also to consider, the stands around the football field form a U, the 21st letter in the alphabet. Page 22 - i think the checkered pattern was just to lead us to harlequin park. i think bclews mentioned harlequin park and eliayo had the 15 streets down to city park to go with verse 2. i did think your lines could make RR and there is a historic train garden at city park. the football fields- "in the middle of 21" the peristyle building--the shape of the clock--------does anyone know how many lions are on that building? the barking horse--the carousel hxxp://flickr.com/photos/ventriloblog/1 ... otostream/ the puffed sleeves--storyland (and maybe my humpty dumpty w/stick also) the two designs (flowers?) to left and right of clock face remind me of the two angels at the entrance of City park peter pan - peter pan and tinkerbell (namesake) and fairy dust. and twinkling stars, that's how i remember my book of peter pan. hxxp://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatc ... _feat3.php hope they haven't been close to tinkerbelle and cinderella with stars: hxxp://3dlaseretchedcrystals.com/images ... s_eBay.gif the pumpkin hxxp://flickr.com/photos/gjcharlet/5069 ... otostream/ and i always imagine mother goose up in the sky: look at the checker pattern and the clock hands! hxxp://flickr.com/photos/cinderellamom/ ... 158567006/ hxxp://www.flickr.com/photos/gjcharlet/506917922/ but look at the big bad wolf's necklace and the swirls between his eyes: hxxp://flickr.com/photos/gjcharlet/5069 ... otostream/ the swirls make me think of the hand in the image her mouth? hxxp://www.flickr.com/photos/mittensohm ... et-918626/ there is a clock behind the little mermaid: hxxp://www.flickr.com/photos/edward-mel ... 463874293/ look at the clock hands and the checkered pattern! hxxp://flickr.com/photos/cinderellamom/ ... 158567006/ - Image of Miss Muffet (dress may match sleeve in painting) and flowers: hxxp://farm1.static.flickr.com/231/5069 ... 02.jpg?v=0 Page 23 - That "horse head" might be a decent match for a dragon (the dragon is a slide), or maybe the big bad wolf, in Storyland: - gnomes are considered guardians of the treasures, so maybe a treasure chest in storyland? or a bank, lol or a pot of gold at the end of a rainbow..... look this building has our moon on it: hxxp://flickr.com/photos/48352971@N00/2129330277/ jambone, here's three mushrooms, and the moon could be the gem hxxp://flickr.com/photos/gjcharlet/5069 ... otostream/ here's a closer look at the clock, looking at it like this, you see the building arch behind it, hxxp://flickr.com/photos/gjcharlet/5069 ... otostream/ regulus, i have to go back thru all the pictures now 'cause you got me wondering about the dashes in the clock, oh boy but this ladybug rollercoaster's eyes remind me of the clock hands: hxxp://flickr.com/photos/lisamulvey/309143323/ Page 24 - This is a match for the arched tops of the grandfather clock. This stone bridge is literally a stones throw from the sundial. Seems to be popular location for taking your photo. There are more good pictures online. hxxp://farm4.static.flickr.com/3207/234 ... 164e_b.jpg Page 25 - All around the park, almost every plaque reads something to the effect of "Constructed by/for the FRIENDS of City Park". Could this be our "friends" in V2? also...sorry about not being able to link up a map photo...but, if you do a google map search (or probably any other map search) find the long oval shaped loop to the northwest of the Museum..the drive is called Roosevelt Mall Drive. At the top of the drive is Beau Bassich Circle...in the very middle of this circle is the remains of what appeared to be a small carousel containing (i believe) 6 horses..which are no longer there. It doesnt look like a carousel anymore but I am sure that is what it was. I would love to (and am still trying) to locate a picture of this ...wondering if our Peter Pan may have been on it. There are also 3 "sets" of eagle statues running the length of Roosevelt Mall Drive...could these be our 3 standing watch? They sure appear to be standing watch... - While I was in New Orleans recently, I was in Preservation Hall for a concert. I couldn't help but notice the grill work over the door. It looks hauntingly like the curved area over the clock in Image 7. download/file.php?id=1890&mode=view - A little about my research around City Park. My 8 yr old son and I went out there with a shovel and a probe in the early afternoon a couple of days ago...our focus...that darn sundial. I took lots of pics of it but really couldnt find anything else that is depicted in our picture. I do like the fact that the sundial is right next to the Casino Building which may be our "21". While looking through the glass door adjacent to the sundial, I noticed a lovely staircase with 15 steps (which I took a picture of). could this be our In the middle of 21, 15 rows down to the ground? Possibly...but I think I may be trying to force things. There were several posts (which appeared to have once held a rope or chain around the grassy area holding the sundial) but unfortunately, there were only 19 of them. I was hoping and praying for 21 of them because the sundial would be in the center of 21. While probing...or should I say...attempting to probe the ground around the sundial (especially near the 12 and the 3) I noticed that the ground was VERY hard, pretty much un-probable. I sat on a nearby bench to think of other options when my son called to me and said "Dad, come here and look at what I found." As he was circling the sundial, he stepped into a fairly deep sinkhole...and when I stuck the probe in...I found nothing but very soft soil. Now thoughts start streaming through my head... : Hmmm, a casque buried 3 1/2 feet deep...along with several feet of Katrina water on top may have collapsed causing a pretty little sink hole. Without trying to raise suspicion, I sat on the grass and begun easily digging with my bare hands. I took a break from digging and moved my probe around when "thud"..hollowness! My son and I stared at each other thinking "no way, did we find it?" Nope, turned out to be a strange, large, hollow tree trunk from a tree that is nowhere nearby. I really wanted to break out the shovel but didnt want to upset other park goers. My son suggested we come back after dark to really go at it with a shovel...and just in time, Mother Nature unleashed one heck of a downpour onto us. We, along with my wife in tow, went back later on that night and broke out the shovel. Digging was soooo easy in this spot. I know we got down to over 4 ft deep without hitting anything. I probed down another 3 to 4 feet deeper from the bottom of the hole but hit nothing. With my luck, we dug right past it... I briefly tried digging or probing at other spots but the ground was very hard. I really dont know about this site. This N.O. pic just doesnt have all of the confirmers that the Chicago & Cleveland pics held. The "bridge" which looks alot like the top of the clock was in sight nearby the sundial but there really was nothing else there. I took pictures of the sundial, other statues, bridges and scenery of other parts of the park which I will try to get up after we get home. It was after our dig that my wife came up with her theory of V1 and P7..which I am really buying into. I had considered Jackson Square long ago and when she started describing her theory of V1, I took another look. It was then that I was stunned by the resemblence of the P7 clock and the layout of Jackson Square. It is quite striking I must say. - I noticed that the P's where both the casques which were found contained: City confirmer (prominent bldg), park confirmer (Bowman statue or Greek theme), and actual items/things found in the park. Now, when looking at our N.O. pic I came up with this idea. *City confirmer - lat/long & Mardi Gras mask (possibly Preservation "hall") *Location w/in city - Preservation = French Quarters *Park Confirmer - Layout of clock looks just like Jackson Square *actual items - hmmm, the clock on St Louis Cathedral looks similar to our clock face...?... Problem is...I really don't think burying or digging up something w/in the park is feasable. This leads me to believe it may be somewhere nearby. I have taken many many pics of all angles of the Square itself as well as other nearby grassy areas nearby which I hope to get online for all to see soon. Almost, and I repeat almost everything in the picture can be explained in or around Jackson Sq. : The clock face, the moon (moonwalk), the moon/stars (city manhole covers have moon and stars), our Peter Pan (Sq is on corner of St Peters & Peter), horse head (many of the horse head poles around...as well as around most of the French Quarters)...but alas, no mask. I am beginning to believe that this is simply a Mardi Gras mask and nothing more. My wife likes an area w/in the park "one giant step" away from the "giant pole" (flagpole) which is right next to a large bush...but other than that, pretty much in the open. I am beginning to like an area between Jackson Square and the Mississippi river. After exiting the square you cross the main street, walk up a large set of stairs where a cannon sits. From there you can look down (giant step?) to a small grassy area behind a very large wall...well hidden from passerbys...especially at night time. Unfortunately, I will not be able to explore this area more fully since we will be heading out of the Big Easy tomorrow morning. I really think this area should have some more research done on it. I am not saying scrap the whole City Park theory because that park just looks like a place to bury a casque...but Jackson Square should be looked at. - Just so you know , there are 15 steps on the landing across the street[from Jackson sq]- artillary square.

Page 26 - I absolutely love that concept catherwood. The mask/face does look like old sydney bechet. I can even see how it resembles the pedestal that the head sits on. Something sticking out of the ground with a face on it.....like it alot. It all goes back to Presecvation Hall where these faces will haunt the place forever. Maybe the dead hand that holds the mask is suppose to represent just that. The spirit. - The Sidney Bechet bust was unveiled May 6, 1997. Page 27 - Luis Armstrong Park is a better fit for the image. first - its an arm.... 2nd, the image of the arm, I say is a zombie, you said it was a loup garoux,I will point out it in no way looks wolf like, merely skinny and dirty kind of like a dead persons... But even if you are correct, it still points towards Louis Armstrong park and the voodo queens house which is right across the street from the park... - quoting from Haunted America Tours website- "Many tales of Voodoo Queens turning peole into this wild beast have surfaced over the years. The Voodoo Hoodoo curse to turn a man into a Loup Garou are said to be done to exact revenge on a family. Many Voodooist believe this creature will kill off it's family members one by one until they are the only survivers of the line. The Famous Marie Laveau was said to have freed a bayou woman of her curse in the 1870's. Many in New Orleans will tell the story of how she locked the woman up chained in a cemetery crypt for the three nights of the full moon. As many who practice the anciant arts of black magic in Louisiana will tell you a Loupe Garou can change shape at will. But during the nights and days of the full moon they are trapped in the shape of the creature unable to transform at will. Marie Laveau was said to have the power to shape shift herself. Also some say she is still alive and is a Loupe Garou. it is believed that a man's "inside" can take the form of a cat, dog, wild pig, ape, deer or other animal, and afterwards resume human form; it is termed Garouou. Now I know you say its possible that the arch in the image at the top of the clock represents part of the grounds of jackson square but why not this? hxxp://www.magazineusa.com/images_st2/l ... trong1.jpg Also really the only thing leading you to jackson square is verse 7 , but really verse 7 looks like it fits better with montreal. yet the text of verse 2 has a definitive new orleans link. so as the case with the legeater , why not until proven otherwise go with the simplest solution. Image 7 - verse 2 - somewhere around armstrong park. hxxp://www.magazineusa.com/images_st2/l ... trong1.jpg - I think it will take at least 2 of wilhouse's bulldozers to convince me that V2 is not the New Orleans verse. Here is a sovereign people / Who build palaces to shelter / Their heads for a night! is a direct reference to the people of New Orleans by a very impressed Domingo Sarmiento. - sorry i have forgotten who put up the straight line therory, if louis a pk in N O is right then this map shows from p hall to pk as a straight line to pk. i did not look at the p5-v12 idea on a map, but i know before they built, the cleveland clinic up for, i think 5 square blocks, st claire went to what use to be liberty blvd. - thats right terminal tower in cleveland is on st claire which goes straight to the park and then liberty drive (as also shown in the pix) goes right to the Italian garden Preservation hall is straight down from louis armstrong park, (of course so is jackson square) but the arch in the image matches the entrance to armstrong park There is a big arm in the picture and the arm is either a loup garoux or a zombie, there is a famous zombie queens house across the street from the park. (both loup garoux and zombies are tied to voodoo.) - The layout of Jackson Square looks too similar to P7's clock to be merely coincidental. The square itself looks like the clock face and the continued arch above the turquoise looks like the raised section across the street holding the Washington Artillery Cannon. Now, if you start in the middle of Jackson square {P7 clock face}, walk across Decatur St to the Cannon {P7 arch above turquoise} and continue walking towards the Mississippi River...do you know what you will come to next? Thats right...the Moon Walk {P7 above arch contains a lovely moon}. Page 28 - Did no one see my bit on an earlier post about the "giant pole"? They erect a giant pole in Jackson Square every New Year's Eve and a large pot of gumbo descends at the stroke of midnight--like the ball in Times Square. Maybe THAT's the pole BP was talking about. - Those become less and less common when above said arch is the Moonwalk just like P7 shows the moon above the arch...and...with Peter Pan circling the interior of the clock with the second hand pointing towards the right side of the clock which corresponds to St Peter Street running down that side of Jackson Sq. Now if you can show me that Armstrong Park is shaped....no....'looks' like the face of a clock and that the street running outside of the park where the arched entrance is is called Moon Street you might be onto something I still believe that the casque is not buried within Jackson Sq itself but in one of the grassy areas between the cannon and the Moonwalk. There are a couple of areas right below the cannon that would be ideal since they are basically hidden from all of the traffic {foot and vehicle} along Decatur St outside of J Square. - I think the giant step is another of these sorts of clues. I don't think he means literally move your leg away from your body about 6 feet. I think he means "a league." Remember these are fairy tales--what was a giant step in a fairy tale? A league. (Remember the 7-league boots?) There is probably something with the word "league" on it nearby. I'd be looking for that, not a pole--OR a straight line. - In addition to the clock looking like Jackson Square, I am hoping someone can do some closeup magic and show the hands of the clock. You will see a JS hidden in there. Page 30 - I interpret the 19 as a backwards 91 (bounding longitude for New Orleans). They pulled the same trick in P4. Page 31 - I think I know what's coming, post-wise....someone is about to bring up New Orleans city Park as a possible casque site. Well, before you do, please view the pics and the report at the following link: hxxp://neworleanscitypark.com/katrina.html This explains in vivid pictures the kind of damage that was done by Katrina. If there was a casque buried in that park, it will likely never be recovered. Parts of this park were under 10 feet of water for weeks. This would include Ted Gormley stadium, which has been suggested as a place where "end to end" might be pertinent. There is a particularly good picture of that stadium on the link above, full of water up to the horizontal bars on the goalposts. Also, the levees in the neighborhood don't have "rows" of anything. They aren't brick walls, but sloped earth banks. Page 32 - when you say he's not dressed like a harlequin. Im not sure what you mean. he has the slippers, the stockings which are of harlequin design one stocking is higher then the other. the upper part of the costume is a bib and bow tie the arms are baggy and go to cuffs and he is wearing a cap. all of which are ok as part of a harlequin or clown costume, Harlequins and clowns are closely associated. I think your mistaken in thinking there is a specific exact description of a harlequin. I have seen harlequins wearing many types of coats, vests and jackets. Harlequins can wear jesters caps, pointy caps, slouch caps or no cap at all the entire outifit does not need to be in harlequin diamonds, The diamond pattern on the leggings is probably enough to classify him as a harlequin. - Excellent job in describing the various features that may be considered 'harlequin". I think this one is very similar to our "flying man". It is a famous French dancer from 1919. I am not tied to the Harlequin park specifically , either, but it does anchor us to that area. hxxp://farm4.static.flickr.com/3010/286 ... 31a9_o.jpg - Harlequins originate from the Italian Commedia dell'arte, the ancient plays of ribald comedy and tragedy that were very popular centuries ago. The word "harlegquin" comes from the Italian word arlechino. Now why am I bringing this up? Well, remember the clock I posted the picture of earlier in the thread? at the Hotel Monteleone? That hotel was founded by an Italian immigrant. What I'm saying here is that there appears to be a connection to the Italian--and it's interesting that the Harlequin is featured on a clock face that is similar to the one in the Italian hotel. As for their costumes, the little guy on the clock is dressed quite appropriately for a harlequin. They didn't all have "jester" style hats, or wear costumes completely covered in diamond patterns. Earlier harlequins were pretty much dressed like that little figure. I do not believe he is carrying anything under his arm, though. I think the legs and buttocks are simply "stylized" to make it look a little more old-fashioned. That type of figure is quite common in Palencar's paintings--look at the little dangling image in P. 3--I think it's just artistic license. Also, his one leg is darker--because it's in shadow. Not because he has one long sock and one short one. So if you wish to view this as a harlequin, then it is entirely appropriate to do so. It may not look as familiar as some of them you've seen, but it IS within the range that I have seen, without doubt. Page 33 - This is Popp Fountain in City Park. It looks a lot like the clock face with 3 entrances (possibly being the gray marks on the rim of the clock face). I did a search and didn't see where this was brought up before. - i think their are whales in the st lawreance but farther up the river, who knows whales swim where they want - The arms are reversed but I think this is it... Image not sure if image is showing so... go to hxxp://www.travelphotobase.com/s/LANBL.HTM and enlarge the pic titled: 625 Saint Charles with statue of John McDonogh. The credit for this find goes to Cormac!!! - Here are better angles of the boy. It looks really good, but not exact. Can anyone do a side-by-side comparison? hxxp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:LafS ... noughC.jpg hxxp://www-sal.cs.uiuc.edu/~friedman/canal/Pic083a.htm -FB noticed that it may be a "2" along the boy's butt that he is holding in his hand and a "1" from the sleeve.. I think this may be right. So if V2 goes with this and we look through the middle of the 21 on the statue down St. Charles Ave. toward the palace for a night (Lafayette Hotel) you will see a grassy stretch. Between this grassy area and the street is a sidewalk of red brick divided by gray brick. They look to be about 10' X 10' each. There are 15 of these running each way from the statue area to the next cross streets as best i can tell from street view on google. I want to research how long it has looked like that tho. Also, the grassy area only stretches 12 squares each way with the end 3 being double brick squares. Could be why the little clock hand is on 3 and the big clock hand in the middle of 12. I can email the image to someone to post or i will post it to my page tomorrow. - Also, if you take the P and overlay the clock so the center is at the Mcdonogh statue and the big hand is at the "FIFTH" Circuit Court of Appeals bldg. it matches up with the "V" in preservation. If you then follow the small hand it is exactly over a path going south from the statue with a small circle that appears to be concrete and matches the hand perfectly. There are also 15 rows on the front of the Court bldg. and stars on a shield above the 2 end arched doors. Page 34 - reading the posts after Giant Squids post about Lafayette Park , Forrest, he posted a picture of the lamp posts at armstrong park. i count 7 lampposts with 3 lights on top of each. that would make 21 lights. are there only 7 lamp posts like that? if there are only 7, is there anything that makes you think of the verse in the middle lamp posts? - You might not care if it's a government building, but the police will. I am not too excited at the prospect of trying to dig up any public parks in N.O., knowing their PD's reputation. But there is no way in hell I'd try and dig in Lafayette Square. I am very sure that Mr. Priess didn't either - because it doesn't fit his MO. Just look at the sites for the 2 solutions that we have! Yes, we were excited about the statue too, until we went there, and then we used some plain old common sense. First of all, it's not a perfect match, by any means. But more importantly - try to find a good match for -everything- in the verse. If you have the right place, this shouldn't be difficult. But it's not, because unfortunately, it is at best a landmark on the way to somewhere else. You've got one questionable visual reference, which doesn't mean much. Armstrong Park has a lot more going for it if we're going to just throw the verse out the window and try to solve it only using the picture. If you all think you've solved it - there are 5 sections to the verse as I see it. Let's see meaningful connections that lead you straight from the verse to Lafayette Square, and then to the digging spot. Then go dig it up, disguised as city workers (yeah right), I'll happily admit I was wrong. Page 35 - At the place where jewels abound Lafayette Square is one of the biggest judging areas of the Mardi Gras Parade. This is usually held in late February or early March. When we were there 5 months later, there were still tons of beads adorning the trees all along St Charles Ave. I think that these are the jewels... Fifteen rows down to the ground In the middle of twenty-one From end to end I believe this to be the exact spot to dig...ala my brick wall theory. In my opinion {as well as shecrab's} this theory is as solid as a brick wall Only three stand watch Only 3 statues stand in Lafayette park As the sound of friends Fills the afternoon hours Every Wednesday afternoon at 5pm is Wednesday in the park...filled with music, partying, friends, etc... Here is a sovereign people Who build palaces to shelter Their heads for a night! Sarmiento's quote that got us to N.O. and more specifically, St Charles Hotel...which I have explained earlier Gnomes admire Fays delight Not sure yet. Possibly referring to LaFAYette himself The namesakes meeting Near this site. Could also be referring to Lafayette or even the St Charles Hotel - forrest, i am stuck on elysian fields because of giant squid's find about "where jewels abound". i see washington square is right off of elysian field avenue, and that there is an elysian field there. i'm finding it difficult to find out much information about this park. have you been there? do you find this park a possibility? i'm still stuck on the next line about 15 rows... i found this: This park provides a large green space in which to play Frisbee or catch some sun. During the recovery period following the storm, relief groups created a campground here, offering free food and music. The far side of the park borders Elysian Fields, named for Paris's Champs-Élysées. Though it never achieved the grandeur of its French counterpart, Elysian Fields is a major thoroughfare. Small-scale festivals or events sometimes take place in Washington Square, which is the only city public space with a French-style double alley of oaks. - ok... for those not happy with a simple solution (even though I am) here is one a little more overthought... 15 rows down to the ground.... 15 blocks from Preservation Hall following Royal that becomes St Charles past the hotel reference and past Lafayette Square... down to Lee Circle basically a round shaped park with a tall statue that from above looks like a sun dial... you could probably tell the hour by the shadow's position in the circle on a certain hour of a certain day of a certain month... in the middle of 21 ... if hours it could be 21:00 (9pm) half (or middle) could be 10:30am... so where the shadow top touches at 10:30 am dig.

Page 26 - I absolutely love that concept catherwood. The mask/face does look like old sydney bechet. I can even see how it resembles the pedestal that the head sits on. Something sticking out of the ground with a face on it.....like it alot. It all goes back to Presecvation Hall where these faces will haunt the place forever. Maybe the dead hand that holds the mask is suppose to represent just that. The spirit. - The Sidney Bechet bust was unveiled May 6, 1997. Page 27 - Luis Armstrong Park is a better fit for the image. first - its an arm.... 2nd, the image of the arm, I say is a zombie, you said it was a loup garoux,I will point out it in no way looks wolf like, merely skinny and dirty kind of like a dead persons... But even if you are correct, it still points towards Louis Armstrong park and the voodo queens house which is right across the street from the park... - quoting from Haunted America Tours website- "Many tales of Voodoo Queens turning peole into this wild beast have surfaced over the years. The Voodoo Hoodoo curse to turn a man into a Loup Garou are said to be done to exact revenge on a family. Many Voodooist believe this creature will kill off it's family members one by one until they are the only survivers of the line. The Famous Marie Laveau was said to have freed a bayou woman of her curse in the 1870's. Many in New Orleans will tell the story of how she locked the woman up chained in a cemetery crypt for the three nights of the full moon. As many who practice the anciant arts of black magic in Louisiana will tell you a Loupe Garou can change shape at will. But during the nights and days of the full moon they are trapped in the shape of the creature unable to transform at will. Marie Laveau was said to have the power to shape shift herself. Also some say she is still alive and is a Loupe Garou. it is believed that a man's "inside" can take the form of a cat, dog, wild pig, ape, deer or other animal, and afterwards resume human form; it is termed Garouou. Now I know you say its possible that the arch in the image at the top of the clock represents part of the grounds of jackson square but why not this? hxxp://www.magazineusa.com/images_st2/l ... trong1.jpg Also really the only thing leading you to jackson square is verse 7 , but really verse 7 looks like it fits better with montreal. yet the text of verse 2 has a definitive new orleans link. so as the case with the legeater , why not until proven otherwise go with the simplest solution. Image 7 - verse 2 - somewhere around armstrong park. hxxp://www.magazineusa.com/images_st2/l ... trong1.jpg - I think it will take at least 2 of wilhouse's bulldozers to convince me that V2 is not the New Orleans verse. Here is a sovereign people / Who build palaces to shelter / Their heads for a night! is a direct reference to the people of New Orleans by a very impressed Domingo Sarmiento. - sorry i have forgotten who put up the straight line therory, if louis a pk in N O is right then this map shows from p hall to pk as a straight line to pk. i did not look at the p5-v12 idea on a map, but i know before they built, the cleveland clinic up for, i think 5 square blocks, st claire went to what use to be liberty blvd. - thats right terminal tower in cleveland is on st claire which goes straight to the park and then liberty drive (as also shown in the pix) goes right to the Italian garden Preservation hall is straight down from louis armstrong park, (of course so is jackson square) but the arch in the image matches the entrance to armstrong park There is a big arm in the picture and the arm is either a loup garoux or a zombie, there is a famous zombie queens house across the street from the park. (both loup garoux and zombies are tied to voodoo.) - The layout of Jackson Square looks too similar to P7's clock to be merely coincidental. The square itself looks like the clock face and the continued arch above the turquoise looks like the raised section across the street holding the Washington Artillery Cannon. Now, if you start in the middle of Jackson square {P7 clock face}, walk across Decatur St to the Cannon {P7 arch above turquoise} and continue walking towards the Mississippi River...do you know what you will come to next? Thats right...the Moon Walk {P7 above arch contains a lovely moon}. Page 28 - Did no one see my bit on an earlier post about the "giant pole"? They erect a giant pole in Jackson Square every New Year's Eve and a large pot of gumbo descends at the stroke of midnight--like the ball in Times Square. Maybe THAT's the pole BP was talking about. - Those become less and less common when above said arch is the Moonwalk just like P7 shows the moon above the arch...and...with Peter Pan circling the interior of the clock with the second hand pointing towards the right side of the clock which corresponds to St Peter Street running down that side of Jackson Sq. Now if you can show me that Armstrong Park is shaped....no....'looks' like the face of a clock and that the street running outside of the park where the arched entrance is is called Moon Street you might be onto something I still believe that the casque is not buried within Jackson Sq itself but in one of the grassy areas between the cannon and the Moonwalk. There are a couple of areas right below the cannon that would be ideal since they are basically hidden from all of the traffic {foot and vehicle} along Decatur St outside of J Square. - I think the giant step is another of these sorts of clues. I don't think he means literally move your leg away from your body about 6 feet. I think he means "a league." Remember these are fairy tales--what was a giant step in a fairy tale? A league. (Remember the 7-league boots?) There is probably something with the word "league" on it nearby. I'd be looking for that, not a pole--OR a straight line. - In addition to the clock looking like Jackson Square, I am hoping someone can do some closeup magic and show the hands of the clock. You will see a JS hidden in there. Page 30 - I interpret the 19 as a backwards 91 (bounding longitude for New Orleans). They pulled the same trick in P4. Page 31 - I think I know what's coming, post-wise....someone is about to bring up New Orleans city Park as a possible casque site. Well, before you do, please view the pics and the report at the following link: hxxp://neworleanscitypark.com/katrina.html This explains in vivid pictures the kind of damage that was done by Katrina. If there was a casque buried in that park, it will likely never be recovered. Parts of this park were under 10 feet of water for weeks. This would include Ted Gormley stadium, which has been suggested as a place where "end to end" might be pertinent. There is a particularly good picture of that stadium on the link above, full of water up to the horizontal bars on the goalposts. Also, the levees in the neighborhood don't have "rows" of anything. They aren't brick walls, but sloped earth banks. Page 32 - when you say he's not dressed like a harlequin. Im not sure what you mean. he has the slippers, the stockings which are of harlequin design one stocking is higher then the other. the upper part of the costume is a bib and bow tie the arms are baggy and go to cuffs and he is wearing a cap. all of which are ok as part of a harlequin or clown costume, Harlequins and clowns are closely associated. I think your mistaken in thinking there is a specific exact description of a harlequin. I have seen harlequins wearing many types of coats, vests and jackets. Harlequins can wear jesters caps, pointy caps, slouch caps or no cap at all the entire outifit does not need to be in harlequin diamonds, The diamond pattern on the leggings is probably enough to classify him as a harlequin. - Excellent job in describing the various features that may be considered 'harlequin". I think this one is very similar to our "flying man". It is a famous French dancer from 1919. I am not tied to the Harlequin park specifically , either, but it does anchor us to that area. hxxp://farm4.static.flickr.com/3010/286 ... 31a9_o.jpg - Harlequins originate from the Italian Commedia dell'arte, the ancient plays of ribald comedy and tragedy that were very popular centuries ago. The word "harlegquin" comes from the Italian word arlechino. Now why am I bringing this up? Well, remember the clock I posted the picture of earlier in the thread? at the Hotel Monteleone? That hotel was founded by an Italian immigrant. What I'm saying here is that there appears to be a connection to the Italian--and it's interesting that the Harlequin is featured on a clock face that is similar to the one in the Italian hotel. As for their costumes, the little guy on the clock is dressed quite appropriately for a harlequin. They didn't all have "jester" style hats, or wear costumes completely covered in diamond patterns. Earlier harlequins were pretty much dressed like that little figure. I do not believe he is carrying anything under his arm, though. I think the legs and buttocks are simply "stylized" to make it look a little more old-fashioned. That type of figure is quite common in Palencar's paintings--look at the little dangling image in P. 3--I think it's just artistic license. Also, his one leg is darker--because it's in shadow. Not because he has one long sock and one short one. So if you wish to view this as a harlequin, then it is entirely appropriate to do so. It may not look as familiar as some of them you've seen, but it IS within the range that I have seen, without doubt. Page 33 - This is Popp Fountain in City Park. It looks a lot like the clock face with 3 entrances (possibly being the gray marks on the rim of the clock face). I did a search and didn't see where this was brought up before. - i think their are whales in the st lawreance but farther up the river, who knows whales swim where they want - The arms are reversed but I think this is it... Image not sure if image is showing so... go to hxxp://www.travelphotobase.com/s/LANBL.HTM and enlarge the pic titled: 625 Saint Charles with statue of John McDonogh. The credit for this find goes to Cormac!!! - Here are better angles of the boy. It looks really good, but not exact. Can anyone do a side-by-side comparison? hxxp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:LafS ... noughC.jpg hxxp://www-sal.cs.uiuc.edu/~friedman/canal/Pic083a.htm -FB noticed that it may be a "2" along the boy's butt that he is holding in his hand and a "1" from the sleeve.. I think this may be right. So if V2 goes with this and we look through the middle of the 21 on the statue down St. Charles Ave. toward the palace for a night (Lafayette Hotel) you will see a grassy stretch. Between this grassy area and the street is a sidewalk of red brick divided by gray brick. They look to be about 10' X 10' each. There are 15 of these running each way from the statue area to the next cross streets as best i can tell from street view on google. I want to research how long it has looked like that tho. Also, the grassy area only stretches 12 squares each way with the end 3 being double brick squares. Could be why the little clock hand is on 3 and the big clock hand in the middle of 12. I can email the image to someone to post or i will post it to my page tomorrow. - Also, if you take the P and overlay the clock so the center is at the Mcdonogh statue and the big hand is at the "FIFTH" Circuit Court of Appeals bldg. it matches up with the "V" in preservation. If you then follow the small hand it is exactly over a path going south from the statue with a small circle that appears to be concrete and matches the hand perfectly. There are also 15 rows on the front of the Court bldg. and stars on a shield above the 2 end arched doors. Page 34 - reading the posts after Giant Squids post about Lafayette Park , Forrest, he posted a picture of the lamp posts at armstrong park. i count 7 lampposts with 3 lights on top of each. that would make 21 lights. are there only 7 lamp posts like that? if there are only 7, is there anything that makes you think of the verse in the middle lamp posts? - You might not care if it's a government building, but the police will. I am not too excited at the prospect of trying to dig up any public parks in N.O., knowing their PD's reputation. But there is no way in hell I'd try and dig in Lafayette Square. I am very sure that Mr. Priess didn't either - because it doesn't fit his MO. Just look at the sites for the 2 solutions that we have! Yes, we were excited about the statue too, until we went there, and then we used some plain old common sense. First of all, it's not a perfect match, by any means. But more importantly - try to find a good match for -everything- in the verse. If you have the right place, this shouldn't be difficult. But it's not, because unfortunately, it is at best a landmark on the way to somewhere else. You've got one questionable visual reference, which doesn't mean much. Armstrong Park has a lot more going for it if we're going to just throw the verse out the window and try to solve it only using the picture. If you all think you've solved it - there are 5 sections to the verse as I see it. Let's see meaningful connections that lead you straight from the verse to Lafayette Square, and then to the digging spot. Then go dig it up, disguised as city workers (yeah right), I'll happily admit I was wrong. Page 35 - At the place where jewels abound Lafayette Square is one of the biggest judging areas of the Mardi Gras Parade. This is usually held in late February or early March. When we were there 5 months later, there were still tons of beads adorning the trees all along St Charles Ave. I think that these are the jewels... Fifteen rows down to the ground In the middle of twenty-one From end to end I believe this to be the exact spot to dig...ala my brick wall theory. In my opinion {as well as shecrab's} this theory is as solid as a brick wall Only three stand watch Only 3 statues stand in Lafayette park As the sound of friends Fills the afternoon hours Every Wednesday afternoon at 5pm is Wednesday in the park...filled with music, partying, friends, etc... Here is a sovereign people Who build palaces to shelter Their heads for a night! Sarmiento's quote that got us to N.O. and more specifically, St Charles Hotel...which I have explained earlier Gnomes admire Fays delight Not sure yet. Possibly referring to LaFAYette himself The namesakes meeting Near this site. Could also be referring to Lafayette or even the St Charles Hotel - forrest, i am stuck on elysian fields because of giant squid's find about "where jewels abound". i see washington square is right off of elysian field avenue, and that there is an elysian field there. i'm finding it difficult to find out much information about this park. have you been there? do you find this park a possibility? i'm still stuck on the next line about 15 rows... i found this: This park provides a large green space in which to play Frisbee or catch some sun. During the recovery period following the storm, relief groups created a campground here, offering free food and music. The far side of the park borders Elysian Fields, named for Paris's Champs-Élysées. Though it never achieved the grandeur of its French counterpart, Elysian Fields is a major thoroughfare. Small-scale festivals or events sometimes take place in Washington Square, which is the only city public space with a French-style double alley of oaks. - ok... for those not happy with a simple solution (even though I am) here is one a little more overthought... 15 rows down to the ground.... 15 blocks from Preservation Hall following Royal that becomes St Charles past the hotel reference and past Lafayette Square... down to Lee Circle basically a round shaped park with a tall statue that from above looks like a sun dial... you could probably tell the hour by the shadow's position in the circle on a certain hour of a certain day of a certain month... in the middle of 21 ... if hours it could be 21:00 (9pm) half (or middle) could be 10:30am... so where the shadow top touches at 10:30 am dig.

Page 36-37 - I believe that image7(New Orleans) goes with verse1 because of the anagram that I found in the capital letters of verse1 that indicate (to me) a starting point of Spanish Plaza. If you check Google maps, Spanish Plaza is just down the street from Lafayette square. For those who don't remember this theory, it goes like this: take the capital letters that begin each line of a verse and separate them by whether the lines rhyme or not and then anagram one group or the other looking for something that indicates a city and an iconic image. What I got for verse1 is NO (I) S (I) PLA. I used the two left over I's as blanks to separate the word groups. Just as I did for verse12 where I got CHI (B) WA (B) T I admit this is ambiguous and hard to swallow for some but it is certainly no less ambiguous or obscure than using half a sentence from a book noone has ever read to indicate a hotel that is no longer there. After all when it comes to these puzzles all we have is ambiguous and obscure, I say we embrace it. I like Malted_Falcon's theories about starting at iconic images and walking down the street it is on until you get to a cross street(in fact, I think I proposed something similar awhile back). However, I don't think they are straight shots from the iconic image to the park(that would have been too easy) so far at least there has always been a cross street. In Chicago, start at the Water Tower walk down Michigan Ave. until you get to the cross street of Congress Parkway(which comes from the line in the verse And to Congress R is known) turn left and you are almost immediately in Grant Park. In Cleveland, start at the Terminal Tower and walk down Superior Street until you get to Liberty street(which comes from the picture of L and the bell in image4) turn left and continue until you get to the Cleveland Cultural Gardens. In New Orleans, start at the Spanish Plaza and walk down Poydras Street until you get to St. Charles Ave(which comes from the quote in the book Abroad in America) turn left and go a short distance and you are at Lafayette Square. It always seems to be a left at the cross street. Anybody know whether Poydras is French for something to do with water? As all the iconic images (so far) are on a street having to do with water. Milwaukee City Hall is on Water Street. But I guess since Spanish Plaza is on the River Walk this would satisfy that criteria. - i think i found a brick building that looks like the wall. it looks like a pump house, for the watering systems in the park. the building looks like it may have been there awhile too. i tried to cut it out and blow up to get a count on the bricks, it was to fuzzy to see clear. the building is in the background of pic 24 in first link, not sure if the other links will work right. this is the link cormac had posted awhile back. i also think this is the park, a great place to dig and bury, as it is in the Business District of N.O., and after say 7pm prob little or no traffic, weekends would be even better, that is if there are no events going on that day, im sure bp would have known about any events, and waited maybe come back the next day - We start at the fortress north (Spanish Fort just north of Wisner Blvd.). Then we go southerly to the first Friendship (Friendship Gardens in City Park). (#12 in the link below) hxxp://neworleanscitypark.com/mapofpark.html Then we go through the wood (a few trees) and across a parking lot or 2 looking for a lion. We find the lion at the Peristyle (#2 in the link) but here we are stuck looking at the water in a lagoon. Soooo we have to veer off course to get around the water. Now without losing our perspective we go around to City Park Ave. This part of City Park Ave. is appx the 700-1200 blocks. Now, I am not sure if there is a house numbered 982 but if you use your google earth and go to 982 City Park Ave. there is a crosswalk right into city park. (appx. #1 in the link) Then if you walk straight toward the peristyle there is bridge across a small of scale leg of the lagoon that looks just like the top of the clock (as mentioned before). This bridge leads to a little island in the lagoon across from the peristyle and we still have our perspective. Now i don't know what is on this island.. looks to be a statue/tower or 2 there and some trees but anywhere you would dig on this island and look back toward the lion you will be looking straight at the entrance of Storyland and i know it has a train. Still looking for that darn spout tho. Page 38 - Second hand pointing to III, which has a dark mark next to it. 2 different types of flowers on the clock Still think the 2 flowers... one a narcisus and the other is the girl's dress Second hand pointing to the III ... isn't that the exact direction of the Brick Wall Bench from the center statue if facing the center statue from the McD statue? Can someone PLEASE get us a good full picture of that Brick Wall Bench thing? - In an appendix of the book "The Mystick Krewe Of Comus", the author lists many decades of Mardi Gras Krewe themes and their respective float titles. In 1906, The Krewe of Rex's theme was Utopia. Their 17th float was titled "Where Jewels Abound." Here is a picture of the page: Image I think this is kind of a long shot, but it's possible that there is a landmark in New Orleans that has a picture of this float displayed, or a painting/mural, that shows the title of the float. I have been unable to locate anything like this in the obvious parks. If anyone has an idea about this, please let me know. - "After its dedication in 1853, Gallier Hall remained the city hall for just over a century. Many important events during the Civil War, Reconstruction, and the era of Louisiana governor Huey Long took place at Gallier Hall. Today, it is best known as a place of honor during Mardi Gras. Viewing galleries in front of the hall are reserved for Mardi Gras royalty, and parades on the St. Charles route pause in front them. Marching bands typically perform shows here during the parades, and Gallier Hall is where the King of Rex stops to salute his queen." "...a place of honor during Mardi Gras" "...reserved for Mardi Gras royalty" "...where the King of Rex stops to salute his queen" Sounds much more important then the thousands of other places along the parade route. Page 39 Current status of the hunt (using Image 7 for visual cues). After finding the Sarmiento quote last year, I was pretty sure that I had the casque in hand, and I spent way too much time wearing out the soles of my shoes and getting run off by NOPD. And, then, for one reason or another, the forum engaged in St. Louis-mania. Some of my friends who helped me case some parks just told me to drop it and revisit it later. 'The other Forrest' managed to pull me back in. I'm working off a handful of assumptions about Preiss' work: 1. There should be 3-4 forms of good visual confirmation in the image for the city 2. There should be at least one non-park landmark referenced 3. There should be at least two visual clues for the items in the vicinity of the site 4. There should be at least two visual clues for items directly visible from the site So, evaluation of visual clues on a per-park basis (ranked by my experience): Armstrong Park - I love the fact that the clock face looks so much like the Armstrong Park gate. Similarly, the Ball Mask evokes a very African-looking face, a la Louis Armstrong or Sidney Bechet. Coupled with the fact that Preservation Hall is what, 4 blocks away from the south entrance of Armstrong? The other Forrest also suggests (as have others) that the top of the clock evokes a bridge, and the background's distortion can be likened to diffraction under water. I don't feel that it's too much a stretch, and there are a couple of bridges in Armstrong that evoke the top of the clock. More of a stretch is the fact that the clock dial evokes the three-bulb streetlamps which can only be found on Rampart Street and in Armstrong Park (nowhere else in the whole city). Most problematic, however, is that a solid 1/4th of Armstrong is off-limits to the public, courtesy of Hurricane Katrina's damage to the Nation Park Service's Jazz Center. There are four very historic and important buildings that are completely inaccessible (ten-foot-tall fences covered with razorwire prevent entry). Perhaps our missing visual confirmers are tucked away there. City Park - The tulip/narcissus definitely does look like the one in Storyland, and there are two iconic bridges in the lower half of City Park that evoke the top of the clock. There is also some architectural detailing at the corners of the Peristyle that evokes a detail on the wood/body of the clock. There are two giant problems with City Park, the first being that it's been through five or so major remodels in the past 25 years, with new things being added almost continuously (or destroyed, as most recently, the Irby Pool disappeared from existence). The second being that each remodel puts up new fences and gates around attractions, making it increasingly difficult to get in there. Storyland - Fenced off. Botanical Garden - Fenced off. Playland - Fenced off. Hyams Fountain - Fenced off. Only accessible during the day, each one separate from the other, and each one requires separate admission. Audubon Park - No visual confirmers here, The Other Forrest and I have walked every inch of this park north of Magazine Street. We're going to try south of Magazine Street soon. Lafayette Square - There is the boy who does bear more than a passing resemblance to the Harlequin, there's some cuteness with the verse as well. Unfortunately, beyond the McDonogh statue, I just can't seem to find anything else in the square that matches. Roughly 1/5 of the buildings surrounding the square were have been built post-1982, which makes things quite a bit trickier as well. And, there's my general feeling that Preiss liked to bury stuff where he could sort of 'hide' from the general public and go relatively unnoticed while he dug - perhaps Egbert can attest to this. If I could get more visual confirmation elsewhere in the square from the image (not just the verse), I'd be more inclined to give the 'okay' on it. Coliseum Square - I enjoy the potential matches to the verse, but nothing in the image. Harlequin Park - A long shot, but absolutely no matches. Mardi Gras Fountain - No visual matches at all. -I'm convinced that this thing is very close to Lafayette Square if not IN it. For one, thinking logically, it's big enough. And there are enough trees and other structures. And there are 3 statues (only 3 stand watch), one of which has that match with the clock boy. Other things in the verse also point this way for me. I tend to see the mask as more an allusion to the music and jazz, for which the city is famous, than an actual "marker" of some sort--as some do. As for the Armstrong park matches: When I saw this P., I immediately thought "Armstrong Park" even though I've never even been to NO. To me, that would be enough of a reason not to go with Armstrong as the location--because it's almost as much of an iconic image of the city as the Mardi Gras parade is. And as someone has pointed out, it might not even BE in a park--but the buildings around Lafayette are not conducive to burial (but not because of their age, I wouldn't think--more because this is a downtown street. After all, Gallier Hall was definitely there in 1981.) I think that the streetcar line may yield some other places. If the whole thing is pointing to the St. Charles connection--hotel, streetcar, Sarmeinto quote, actual street and the Park ON that street--then perhaps we need to explore the line itself. Explore some other stops maybe? - i'm still thinking about the "passing fancies" , and thinking more of the museums, because this is where they are, especially contemporary art....or elf nouveau (p. 108 ) , and that love sculpture being contemporary art and being in the picture in the book. - Giant Squid and forrest, i'm glad you're listening to us wanted to mention, because you said you liked coliseum square, that i found that terpsichore street goes along the square, and terpsichore's name means "delight"........... hxxp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terpsichore i was kindof going toward the u.s. mint because of "gnomes admire"...........gnomes and money go together, and it is a museum now, thought that was pretty interesting, but gonna check more into coliseum square now. - Giant Squid and forrest, i'm glad you're listening to us wanted to mention, because you said you liked coliseum square, that i found that terpsichore street goes along the square, and terpsichore's name means "delight"........... hxxp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terpsichore - thanks forrest, i thought it interesting too, that camp street is on the other side of coliseum square, BP could have had a double meaning to "who build palaces to shelter their heads for a night".......camping...... i'm so glad you two are there and hopefully something we say will give you two an "aha" moment. i'm sure you've seen these lanterns there, but the picture is too dark for me to see, is the middle part shaped at all like our clock? hxxp://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image ... nterns.jpg it sure looks like stars on the sidewalk in front of the children's museum on 420 julia street, and with the dark blue doors, it reminds me of the image. - hxxp://www.fidnet.com/~debbil/TheSecret.html This building is a block away from Jackson Sq. towards Lafayette Sq. What caught my eye was how bold this banister is compared to most others. Then i found this: "Courtyard of the Vine, 614 Chartres Street. Turning back into Chartres Street, one finds, near the corner of Wilkinson, an old building once owned by John McDonogh. It is not the house, however, that attracts the visitor, but the great, twisted wistaria vine growing in the courtyard at the rear of the building. The court is entered through a narrow passageway, the gates being open at all times. " from this site: Page 40 - But if you look to the lighter square to the left of that face ... with a magnifying glass I think I can make 1907 .... it seems almost every light block has something hidden in it... - wanted to mention here that on p. 168 The Night Mayor, Regional, BP mentions jm barrie, who wrote peter pan. "if enough people believe in them they can come true"......he's talking about fairies but that line makes me think of tinkerbelle, i don't remember seeing her in boat with peter pan and captain hook. but i always liked the shape of captain hook's ship: hxxp://flickr.com/photos/gjcharlet/5069 ... otostream/ and he also mentions "crazy, burning eyes".....the wolf? dragon?....... i'm thinking our harlequin guy is a "passing fancy" (French) from page 108, shows a bottle of perrier which comes from France, and this is our french picture. - I believe the casque is in Congo Square. First, the 1929 numbers correspond with the building of the Municipal Auditorium. lLouis Armstrong died in 1971 and Armstrong park was dedicated to him in the late 1970's. Preservation theme ties in. Municipal Auditorium was home to many concerts and is where Rex And Comus meet on Mardi Gras day. Balls are held there and perhaps this is where jewels abound. If that is the correct verse. The mask is definately a likeness of Louis Armstrong. It obscures the 6,7,and 8 on the clock. Armstrong Park is on the 6,7,and 800 block of Rampart st. I know that in the late 70's Louis Armstrong was not as popular as today and perhaps Byron was commemorating him in this image. I'll have to go back and look up my other findings but after much research and being from New Orleans this fits better for me than others. Lafitte Lafitte - Interesting ideas Lafitte....but...that looks like a good 3-5 miles from Lafayette Square and not even in a straight shot. If the casque is in Armstrong Park {which it very well could be} then our starting point has to be Lafayette Sq. The statue there is just toooooo much of a match to our 'clock boy'. Can we reverse engineer the V & P to find a route to Armstrong Park Page 41 - here he is from almost the exactly correct angle...back arched, one arm extended before himself while the other is extended backwards hxxp://www.flickr.com/photos/8126909@N0 ... 012/  (or even here) hxxp://www.flickr.com/photos/gymnasia/2342711849/ I still don't understand how people are arguing that this is not our 'clock boy'. If Anyone out there can find another statue anywhere, whether in the USA or not, with as close a resemblence as this one does to our 'clock boy' I may be swayed. Until then, I feel this IS our 'clock boy'. Page 42 - Place de France Statue The hand holding the mask pole, looks like the hand holding the flag pole on the Place de France statue. - Perhaps the horse image is a shadow puppet, implying we are to do something with light Page 44 - i'm still stuck on storyland.....the flowers, the stick, the puffed sleeves are all there. but, i'm thinking it could be on the outside of the gates because of that clock looking so much like a "lock" near a sign like this for "afternoon hours": hxxp://www.flickr.com/photos/rogie_la/2070907577/ and of course "only three stand watch": hxxp://www.flickr.com/photos/rogie_la/2 ... otostream/ "namesakes meeting near this site" could just mean "storyland" as gnomes and fairies are all in fairy tales - The clues that lead to thoughts of Armstrong park all simply say "New Orleans" Malty's direction of start here go a long way then turn left better supports LaFayette Square and IS on the right street. Preservation Hall is basically on the corner of Royal which becomes St Charles when it crosses Canal st. Then of course you turn left into the square (park). next in Chicago the treasure was located in the back corner in a very unobtrusive location In cleveland the treasure was located hidden behind a wall Lafayette Square has a small wall that could easily help obscure and if you have turned left into the square from St Charles... (noting that the Square's shape is represented in the image) you would see this wall is in the exact location of the end of the Second Hand on the image's clock I could get nitpicky on some other things, but Your solution has 1 thing that 90% of all the other solutions posted doesnt have. A specific place to dig. Mentioned in previous posts are the instructions on how to count the bricks and mortars together to show you where beside the wall to dig. - From all the photos that show a fence in Storyland park, there are 15 posts within each section - "Fifteen rows down to the ground." In the middle of those sections, exacltly between sections 10 and 11 and post 7 and 8, could be a casque. Any thoughts? I've also been able to clearly count the fencing at Armstrong Park (14 posts) and LaFayette Square (16 posts), neither of which fit the criteria for even acknowledging section amounts. Strange to me still, is the fact that "only three stand watch" relates so closely to LayFayette Square, and the clock face has two interior black squares in line with the center of the clock hands... marking the placement of the three statues? The exterior has circle connected to the arrow only has one filled-black square, and it's aligned with the two interior and the clock center... in a line right through the III. ------------- Any body here still? Any thoughts?

Page 36-37 - I believe that image7(New Orleans) goes with verse1 because of the anagram that I found in the capital letters of verse1 that indicate (to me) a starting point of Spanish Plaza. If you check Google maps, Spanish Plaza is just down the street from Lafayette square. For those who don't remember this theory, it goes like this: take the capital letters that begin each line of a verse and separate them by whether the lines rhyme or not and then anagram one group or the other looking for something that indicates a city and an iconic image. What I got for verse1 is NO (I) S (I) PLA. I used the two left over I's as blanks to separate the word groups. Just as I did for verse12 where I got CHI (B) WA (B) T I admit this is ambiguous and hard to swallow for some but it is certainly no less ambiguous or obscure than using half a sentence from a book noone has ever read to indicate a hotel that is no longer there. After all when it comes to these puzzles all we have is ambiguous and obscure, I say we embrace it. I like Malted_Falcon's theories about starting at iconic images and walking down the street it is on until you get to a cross street(in fact, I think I proposed something similar awhile back). However, I don't think they are straight shots from the iconic image to the park(that would have been too easy) so far at least there has always been a cross street. In Chicago, start at the Water Tower walk down Michigan Ave. until you get to the cross street of Congress Parkway(which comes from the line in the verse And to Congress R is known) turn left and you are almost immediately in Grant Park. In Cleveland, start at the Terminal Tower and walk down Superior Street until you get to Liberty street(which comes from the picture of L and the bell in image4) turn left and continue until you get to the Cleveland Cultural Gardens. In New Orleans, start at the Spanish Plaza and walk down Poydras Street until you get to St. Charles Ave(which comes from the quote in the book Abroad in America) turn left and go a short distance and you are at Lafayette Square. It always seems to be a left at the cross street. Anybody know whether Poydras is French for something to do with water? As all the iconic images (so far) are on a street having to do with water. Milwaukee City Hall is on Water Street. But I guess since Spanish Plaza is on the River Walk this would satisfy that criteria. - i think i found a brick building that looks like the wall. it looks like a pump house, for the watering systems in the park. the building looks like it may have been there awhile too. i tried to cut it out and blow up to get a count on the bricks, it was to fuzzy to see clear. the building is in the background of pic 24 in first link, not sure if the other links will work right. this is the link cormac had posted awhile back. i also think this is the park, a great place to dig and bury, as it is in the Business District of N.O., and after say 7pm prob little or no traffic, weekends would be even better, that is if there are no events going on that day, im sure bp would have known about any events, and waited maybe come back the next day - We start at the fortress north (Spanish Fort just north of Wisner Blvd.). Then we go southerly to the first Friendship (Friendship Gardens in City Park). (#12 in the link below) hxxp://neworleanscitypark.com/mapofpark.html Then we go through the wood (a few trees) and across a parking lot or 2 looking for a lion. We find the lion at the Peristyle (#2 in the link) but here we are stuck looking at the water in a lagoon. Soooo we have to veer off course to get around the water. Now without losing our perspective we go around to City Park Ave. This part of City Park Ave. is appx the 700-1200 blocks. Now, I am not sure if there is a house numbered 982 but if you use your google earth and go to 982 City Park Ave. there is a crosswalk right into city park. (appx. #1 in the link) Then if you walk straight toward the peristyle there is bridge across a small of scale leg of the lagoon that looks just like the top of the clock (as mentioned before). This bridge leads to a little island in the lagoon across from the peristyle and we still have our perspective. Now i don't know what is on this island.. looks to be a statue/tower or 2 there and some trees but anywhere you would dig on this island and look back toward the lion you will be looking straight at the entrance of Storyland and i know it has a train. Still looking for that darn spout tho. Page 38 - Second hand pointing to III, which has a dark mark next to it. 2 different types of flowers on the clock Still think the 2 flowers... one a narcisus and the other is the girl's dress Second hand pointing to the III ... isn't that the exact direction of the Brick Wall Bench from the center statue if facing the center statue from the McD statue? Can someone PLEASE get us a good full picture of that Brick Wall Bench thing? - In an appendix of the book "The Mystick Krewe Of Comus", the author lists many decades of Mardi Gras Krewe themes and their respective float titles. In 1906, The Krewe of Rex's theme was Utopia. Their 17th float was titled "Where Jewels Abound." Here is a picture of the page: Image I think this is kind of a long shot, but it's possible that there is a landmark in New Orleans that has a picture of this float displayed, or a painting/mural, that shows the title of the float. I have been unable to locate anything like this in the obvious parks. If anyone has an idea about this, please let me know. - "After its dedication in 1853, Gallier Hall remained the city hall for just over a century. Many important events during the Civil War, Reconstruction, and the era of Louisiana governor Huey Long took place at Gallier Hall. Today, it is best known as a place of honor during Mardi Gras. Viewing galleries in front of the hall are reserved for Mardi Gras royalty, and parades on the St. Charles route pause in front them. Marching bands typically perform shows here during the parades, and Gallier Hall is where the King of Rex stops to salute his queen." "...a place of honor during Mardi Gras" "...reserved for Mardi Gras royalty" "...where the King of Rex stops to salute his queen" Sounds much more important then the thousands of other places along the parade route. Page 39 Current status of the hunt (using Image 7 for visual cues). After finding the Sarmiento quote last year, I was pretty sure that I had the casque in hand, and I spent way too much time wearing out the soles of my shoes and getting run off by NOPD. And, then, for one reason or another, the forum engaged in St. Louis-mania. Some of my friends who helped me case some parks just told me to drop it and revisit it later. 'The other Forrest' managed to pull me back in. I'm working off a handful of assumptions about Preiss' work: 1. There should be 3-4 forms of good visual confirmation in the image for the city 2. There should be at least one non-park landmark referenced 3. There should be at least two visual clues for the items in the vicinity of the site 4. There should be at least two visual clues for items directly visible from the site So, evaluation of visual clues on a per-park basis (ranked by my experience): Armstrong Park - I love the fact that the clock face looks so much like the Armstrong Park gate. Similarly, the Ball Mask evokes a very African-looking face, a la Louis Armstrong or Sidney Bechet. Coupled with the fact that Preservation Hall is what, 4 blocks away from the south entrance of Armstrong? The other Forrest also suggests (as have others) that the top of the clock evokes a bridge, and the background's distortion can be likened to diffraction under water. I don't feel that it's too much a stretch, and there are a couple of bridges in Armstrong that evoke the top of the clock. More of a stretch is the fact that the clock dial evokes the three-bulb streetlamps which can only be found on Rampart Street and in Armstrong Park (nowhere else in the whole city). Most problematic, however, is that a solid 1/4th of Armstrong is off-limits to the public, courtesy of Hurricane Katrina's damage to the Nation Park Service's Jazz Center. There are four very historic and important buildings that are completely inaccessible (ten-foot-tall fences covered with razorwire prevent entry). Perhaps our missing visual confirmers are tucked away there. City Park - The tulip/narcissus definitely does look like the one in Storyland, and there are two iconic bridges in the lower half of City Park that evoke the top of the clock. There is also some architectural detailing at the corners of the Peristyle that evokes a detail on the wood/body of the clock. There are two giant problems with City Park, the first being that it's been through five or so major remodels in the past 25 years, with new things being added almost continuously (or destroyed, as most recently, the Irby Pool disappeared from existence). The second being that each remodel puts up new fences and gates around attractions, making it increasingly difficult to get in there. Storyland - Fenced off. Botanical Garden - Fenced off. Playland - Fenced off. Hyams Fountain - Fenced off. Only accessible during the day, each one separate from the other, and each one requires separate admission. Audubon Park - No visual confirmers here, The Other Forrest and I have walked every inch of this park north of Magazine Street. We're going to try south of Magazine Street soon. Lafayette Square - There is the boy who does bear more than a passing resemblance to the Harlequin, there's some cuteness with the verse as well. Unfortunately, beyond the McDonogh statue, I just can't seem to find anything else in the square that matches. Roughly 1/5 of the buildings surrounding the square were have been built post-1982, which makes things quite a bit trickier as well. And, there's my general feeling that Preiss liked to bury stuff where he could sort of 'hide' from the general public and go relatively unnoticed while he dug - perhaps Egbert can attest to this. If I could get more visual confirmation elsewhere in the square from the image (not just the verse), I'd be more inclined to give the 'okay' on it. Coliseum Square - I enjoy the potential matches to the verse, but nothing in the image. Harlequin Park - A long shot, but absolutely no matches. Mardi Gras Fountain - No visual matches at all. -I'm convinced that this thing is very close to Lafayette Square if not IN it. For one, thinking logically, it's big enough. And there are enough trees and other structures. And there are 3 statues (only 3 stand watch), one of which has that match with the clock boy. Other things in the verse also point this way for me. I tend to see the mask as more an allusion to the music and jazz, for which the city is famous, than an actual "marker" of some sort--as some do. As for the Armstrong park matches: When I saw this P., I immediately thought "Armstrong Park" even though I've never even been to NO. To me, that would be enough of a reason not to go with Armstrong as the location--because it's almost as much of an iconic image of the city as the Mardi Gras parade is. And as someone has pointed out, it might not even BE in a park--but the buildings around Lafayette are not conducive to burial (but not because of their age, I wouldn't think--more because this is a downtown street. After all, Gallier Hall was definitely there in 1981.) I think that the streetcar line may yield some other places. If the whole thing is pointing to the St. Charles connection--hotel, streetcar, Sarmeinto quote, actual street and the Park ON that street--then perhaps we need to explore the line itself. Explore some other stops maybe? - i'm still thinking about the "passing fancies" , and thinking more of the museums, because this is where they are, especially contemporary art....or elf nouveau (p. 108 ) , and that love sculpture being contemporary art and being in the picture in the book. - Giant Squid and forrest, i'm glad you're listening to us wanted to mention, because you said you liked coliseum square, that i found that terpsichore street goes along the square, and terpsichore's name means "delight"........... hxxp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terpsichore i was kindof going toward the u.s. mint because of "gnomes admire"...........gnomes and money go together, and it is a museum now, thought that was pretty interesting, but gonna check more into coliseum square now. - Giant Squid and forrest, i'm glad you're listening to us wanted to mention, because you said you liked coliseum square, that i found that terpsichore street goes along the square, and terpsichore's name means "delight"........... hxxp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terpsichore - thanks forrest, i thought it interesting too, that camp street is on the other side of coliseum square, BP could have had a double meaning to "who build palaces to shelter their heads for a night".......camping...... i'm so glad you two are there and hopefully something we say will give you two an "aha" moment. i'm sure you've seen these lanterns there, but the picture is too dark for me to see, is the middle part shaped at all like our clock? hxxp://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image ... nterns.jpg it sure looks like stars on the sidewalk in front of the children's museum on 420 julia street, and with the dark blue doors, it reminds me of the image. - hxxp://www.fidnet.com/~debbil/TheSecret.html This building is a block away from Jackson Sq. towards Lafayette Sq. What caught my eye was how bold this banister is compared to most others. Then i found this: "Courtyard of the Vine, 614 Chartres Street. Turning back into Chartres Street, one finds, near the corner of Wilkinson, an old building once owned by John McDonogh. It is not the house, however, that attracts the visitor, but the great, twisted wistaria vine growing in the courtyard at the rear of the building. The court is entered through a narrow passageway, the gates being open at all times. " from this site: Page 40 - But if you look to the lighter square to the left of that face ... with a magnifying glass I think I can make 1907 .... it seems almost every light block has something hidden in it... - wanted to mention here that on p. 168 The Night Mayor, Regional, BP mentions jm barrie, who wrote peter pan. "if enough people believe in them they can come true"......he's talking about fairies but that line makes me think of tinkerbelle, i don't remember seeing her in boat with peter pan and captain hook. but i always liked the shape of captain hook's ship: hxxp://flickr.com/photos/gjcharlet/5069 ... otostream/ and he also mentions "crazy, burning eyes".....the wolf? dragon?....... i'm thinking our harlequin guy is a "passing fancy" (French) from page 108, shows a bottle of perrier which comes from France, and this is our french picture. - I believe the casque is in Congo Square. First, the 1929 numbers correspond with the building of the Municipal Auditorium. lLouis Armstrong died in 1971 and Armstrong park was dedicated to him in the late 1970's. Preservation theme ties in. Municipal Auditorium was home to many concerts and is where Rex And Comus meet on Mardi Gras day. Balls are held there and perhaps this is where jewels abound. If that is the correct verse. The mask is definately a likeness of Louis Armstrong. It obscures the 6,7,and 8 on the clock. Armstrong Park is on the 6,7,and 800 block of Rampart st. I know that in the late 70's Louis Armstrong was not as popular as today and perhaps Byron was commemorating him in this image. I'll have to go back and look up my other findings but after much research and being from New Orleans this fits better for me than others. Lafitte Lafitte - Interesting ideas Lafitte....but...that looks like a good 3-5 miles from Lafayette Square and not even in a straight shot. If the casque is in Armstrong Park {which it very well could be} then our starting point has to be Lafayette Sq. The statue there is just toooooo much of a match to our 'clock boy'. Can we reverse engineer the V & P to find a route to Armstrong Park Page 41 - here he is from almost the exactly correct angle...back arched, one arm extended before himself while the other is extended backwards hxxp://www.flickr.com/photos/8126909@N0 ... 012/  (or even here) hxxp://www.flickr.com/photos/gymnasia/2342711849/ I still don't understand how people are arguing that this is not our 'clock boy'. If Anyone out there can find another statue anywhere, whether in the USA or not, with as close a resemblence as this one does to our 'clock boy' I may be swayed. Until then, I feel this IS our 'clock boy'. Page 42 - Place de France Statue The hand holding the mask pole, looks like the hand holding the flag pole on the Place de France statue. - Perhaps the horse image is a shadow puppet, implying we are to do something with light Page 44 - i'm still stuck on storyland.....the flowers, the stick, the puffed sleeves are all there. but, i'm thinking it could be on the outside of the gates because of that clock looking so much like a "lock" near a sign like this for "afternoon hours": hxxp://www.flickr.com/photos/rogie_la/2070907577/ and of course "only three stand watch": hxxp://www.flickr.com/photos/rogie_la/2 ... otostream/ "namesakes meeting near this site" could just mean "storyland" as gnomes and fairies are all in fairy tales - The clues that lead to thoughts of Armstrong park all simply say "New Orleans" Malty's direction of start here go a long way then turn left better supports LaFayette Square and IS on the right street. Preservation Hall is basically on the corner of Royal which becomes St Charles when it crosses Canal st. Then of course you turn left into the square (park). next in Chicago the treasure was located in the back corner in a very unobtrusive location In cleveland the treasure was located hidden behind a wall Lafayette Square has a small wall that could easily help obscure and if you have turned left into the square from St Charles... (noting that the Square's shape is represented in the image) you would see this wall is in the exact location of the end of the Second Hand on the image's clock I could get nitpicky on some other things, but Your solution has 1 thing that 90% of all the other solutions posted doesnt have. A specific place to dig. Mentioned in previous posts are the instructions on how to count the bricks and mortars together to show you where beside the wall to dig. - From all the photos that show a fence in Storyland park, there are 15 posts within each section - "Fifteen rows down to the ground." In the middle of those sections, exacltly between sections 10 and 11 and post 7 and 8, could be a casque. Any thoughts? I've also been able to clearly count the fencing at Armstrong Park (14 posts) and LaFayette Square (16 posts), neither of which fit the criteria for even acknowledging section amounts. Strange to me still, is the fact that "only three stand watch" relates so closely to LayFayette Square, and the clock face has two interior black squares in line with the center of the clock hands... marking the placement of the three statues? The exterior has circle connected to the arrow only has one filled-black square, and it's aligned with the two interior and the clock center... in a line right through the III. ------------- Any body here still? Any thoughts?

Page 45 -The namesakes meeting Near this site ...reminded me that: "Basin Street is the street where the elite always meet". Basin Street Blues, recorded by Louis Armstrong in 1929 (the date on the clock). Runs into Louis Armstrong Park. There seem to be different versions of the lyrics floating around; one mentions the St Louis Cemetary. hxxp://www.e-chords.com/chords/louis-ar ... reet-blues hxxp://www.lyricsbay.com/basin_street_b ... trong.html In the middle of twenty-one ...on the clock...? The letter V...? Fifteen rows down to the ground ...perhaps referring to rows on the chequered design. * * * * * I don’t trust the Field Guide as a reliable source of information, but it’s usually possible to find something with a visual connection to an image which can spark off some ideas. I was wondering about playing cards, which led me to page 112 which mentions slam-dunking. (This entry also talks about 1929, the Mississippi, and death by drowning, a-la Narcissus. The demon bears a faint resemblance to the mask.) I think of the shapes in the starry region at the top of the clock as n(ew) and o(rleans). Could the “n” with the “moon” and “Peter Pan” suggest a basketball connection…? (a net and ball viewed from above, with a slam-dunker. Maybe got to work out where clock-boy put the ball or something. The position could be calculated by laying out the location like a basketball court (eg 15m wide). Or as a chessboard, like the statue in Dali's Narcissus. ImageImage I like the observation that one of Louis Armstrong’s nicknames was “Dipper”. Could refer to the Big Dipper, or Plough. The “bike-like” object in the centre of the clockface might also hint at a plough, or digging. Lafayette Square looks like a pretty good spot. I was pleased to see Benjamin Franklin there, since he seems to crop up in other parts of the book. In the Field Guide, for instance, I think he's represented by the "Postmonster General", having been Postmaster General. The "Whereabouts" guide on 221/222 locates him in Louisiana - the only entry for that state. Perhaps this is why. I was also reading up on The Grand Lafayette, a famous illusionist. (Mask? I'm interested in that his "signature act" was The Lion's Bride, which he died in the middle of - reminds me of the Lion mask.) I like: Image 1911 RIP, the year Lafayette died. The tricky bit is finding the X... (If you've read my ramblings on image 11, y'all are going to start thinking I'm morbid. ) - Armstrong Park seemed the location to me however Ray Nagin is his crappy crookedness destroyed the park. The Louis Armstrong statue is damaged and got moved to a different location in the park. New walkways were installed that are also sub par and the park now floods. I would be leery of digging in Lafayette square because of Homeland security. The post office is right across the street and there are no hidden spots to dig. - In the middle of twenty-one From end to end (twenty-one / blackjack / jackson) The bottom of the stick up to the lower lip of the mask is 2 inches. Gnomes were apparently invented by Paracelsus, and were "two spans high". hxxp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnome This lip / crescent is also about "fifteen rows down". (I say "about" because the cut-off at the top of the page makes it ambiguous.) Other random thoughts: The circular arrow indicates 10/12ths of the distance around the dial. The clock hands are in the shape of an "L" (twelfth letter), and the vertical hand passes through 12. I'm also interested in how the Narcissus myth might come into this. I'm thinking of clock-boy as Narcissus, as he's staring at one, as in the myth. The Great Lafayette was pals with Houdini, who "sent a floral representation of Beauty [Lafayette's dog] to the funeral". hxxp://members.fortunecity.com/gillonj/ ... lafayette/ So that's two stories about how beauty became a flower. Lafayette was obsessed with this dog. Beauty might be the "dragon square". If clock-boy is Narcissus/Lafayette, Armstrong could be the gnome. I also wondered about turquoise / turk wise / mechanical turk. In the Wizard of Oz, the Scarecrow (bloke on a stick) lacked a brain, and had his head stuffed with pins and needles and straw. The Field Guide entry for "Tinkerbell" (compare the bell on P179 to the Narcissus - also trumpet bell / Peter Pan), explains that they "imbue every piece of hardware with a personality and reduce humankind to the condition of machines". This seems to fit with the idea of the mask and the clock. (I did warn you about this post...) Yay, I just noticed The Mechanical Turk beat Benjamin Franklin. I'm determined to bring that dude into everything. Y'know...a clockwork mechanism with a human face that's famous for moving a knight around the board in a chess puzzle called "the knight's tour"...maybe it's not such a big stretch after all. Another point for equestrian Jackson...? Then again, it could just be a ridiculously complicated clue for turkuoise... - The letters J B appear either side of the pointer, which also divides the 12 into 10 (J) and 2 (B). It's dedicated to Jean-Baptiste, "founder of New Orleans". - Here's the theory. Moon and St Louis clues point to Jackson Square and the mask. Sarmiento and statue clues point to Lafayette Square and the clock-face. Between J and L is K Fifteen rows down to the ground 1 up, 5 along on a chessboard - the King. In the middle of twenty-one First 21 letters: abcdefghij K lmnopqrstu also: blac K jack In between Jackson and Lafayette geographically, you have Decantur - December, the month for the image. And on Decantur Street, we find this monument where "three stand watch". "The Bienville Monument, by Angela Gregory, was dedicated on April 24, 1955. The bronze sculpture depicts Pierre Le Moyne d'Iberville, in colonial dress flanked by a seated male Indian and a standing male, Father Athanase, a Recollect monk." Image Here's a snap from Google Street View. Image It's the meeting place, or middle point, when the mask and the clock-face combine to create the man-machine, the mechanical turk. (Horse in Jackson = Knight's Tour. Franklin in Lafayette = famous opponent). It's 11-o-clock, where Narcissus gazes at his reflection in the flower. (Am I getting carried away now...? ) The Turk awaits your move. Image Image Last edited by Anonymous on Fri Oct 01, 2010 11:17 pm, edited 1 time in total. - The Joan of Arc statue was originally between Canal and Poydras st. It's present location was installed way after the casque was buried. - i do love that little boy on the mcdonough statue but everyone says you can not dig there.......when i was reading that thread i remember thinking "down to the ground" and henry clay is there and clay can mean earth, ground....... and if "where jewels abound" is elysian field road (or whatever, i forget now), then it would be down there in the french quarter somewhere right? after you went "15 roads", which would make sense for the french image............ - Verse 10 Although the sign Nearby Speaks of Indies native The natives still speak Of him of Hard word in 3 Vols I was thinking about "him of Hard word in 3 Vols" in V10, and wondered if this might be Noah Webster of dictionary fame. (I see this was also suggested previously.) I remembered a Louis Armstrong number which goes: You'll find the answer if you take a look In Mr. Webster's dictionary book ...Louis' answer being Sugar. Here's some info on his version... The lyrics also include some Narcissus-friendly lines like: I'd make a million trips To his [her] lips, If I were a bee ...so I thought I'd see how the rest of it checked out with this image, since it seems impossible to say for 100% certain which image matches which verse. The most obvious sugar connection with New Orleans is the Sugar Bowl at the Louisiana Superdome. (Tupperwerewolf?) Image In the shadow Of the grey giant I wondered if the Superbowl might be the "Grey Giant". I was interested to see that there's a bunch of nearby streets named after the nine Muses, who were neighbours of Narcissus on Mount Helicon. (Three nines on the clock.) The full list of these is: Calliope Clio Erato Euterpe Melpomene Polyhymnia Terpsichore Thalia Urania The Muses tend to brandish things like comedy masks and trumpets, which looked encouraging. Here's Clio, Euterpe and Thalia. Image Clio (History) has the trumpet, Thalia has the mask. I like this pic since it seems to have similar red/blue/purple colouring to the image. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * In "Preservation", we can find "Pres [French "near"] in Erato". (The V looks crossed out.) In the initial capitals of the verse, we can find "Clio". I wondered if these letters might be regularly spaced, and found that you can reach them by taking every sixth initial starting with Cars. If you continue, you end up with this sequence (covering each letter once): COLIYTOTISFOENOIFATAO ...before ending up where you started. I was pleased to see it finish with TAO, since this crops up in other parts of the book - for instance, at the bottom-left of the same double page. It basically means: "way". If meaningful, this string of letters might be interpreted in different ways. For instance, we could divide it up like this: COLI YTO TISF OEN OIFAT AO CLIO TOY FITS ONE AIOFT AO (I'd prefer not to have to use the I as an L in Aloft, but I consoled myself by looking for some lofts, or attics. The Ritch Doctor is described as an MD, and located in Maryland - MD - but originally comes from "Attic Greece". In Roman numerals, MD is 1500, and the Superbowl is at 1500 Sugar Bowl Drive. The Doctor is also shown, for no obvious reason, sitting at a desk with a key in his back. Mechanical Turk...?) Given the Greek theme, AO could suggest Alpha & Omega. Image I also like: Look down And see simple roots In rhapsodic man's soil Or gaze north Toward the isle of B. Tailor / sleeve...? Nearby Taylor Park...? (I had this idea of the mask being pulled off clock-boy and replanted in the sleeve, like, find the spot in Taylor Park where the statue would be, or something. The Muses are daughters of Memory.) The moon and the checkerboard suggests a game of draughts, and the Superbowl from above would fit in with that. (Draught-pieces are called "dames", which crop up in the field guide, along with draft-dodgers.) Other thoughts: Speaks of Indies native Perhaps a plant that's native to the West/East Indies. Eg, does Sugarcane fit that description...? Might be a sign for Sugar Bowl Drive or something. I also wondered about rubber & sarsaparilla. In rhapsodic man's soil Louis starred in a flick called A Rhapsody in Black and Blue. (cf Boogie Man field-guide reference to black & blue.) Cars abound Arcs...? Crescent city / Joan of Arc. isle of B Foibles...? Foible being the tip of a sword. Reminds me of the clock pointer, the tip of which resembles an anchor, a sword, or an Aries sign. - verse #2 has the quote "Who build palaces to shelter Their heads for a night!" from Abroad in America talking about the St. Charles Hotel in New Orleans. - "La Fayette" appears in the section on the Pre-revolutionary Warlock - "a smallish Fay who took the form of a humble French weremole". Page 47 - what if it's not by the statue but by the historical marker. it has the same shape ( i know, all the historical markers have that shape ), but in this photo you can see the peter pan guy right behind the marker.. The only bad thing was that it was established in 1985. - i had been looking at the allard plantation sign at city park because it had "the spirit of 76" on it (mentioned in the book) (by the beauregard statue, his horse is standing on 3 legs, lol ) (Spirit of '76 is on the little sign at the bottom) - i don't think i'd ever read that storyland had "21" rides before, always tried to find how many storybook characters there were........so this make it interesting: "Built in the 50’s by master float builders Storyland boasts of 21 rides,..." - i'm thinking maybe the carousel (for the circle in the image), i read where only 3 of the animals "stand"(lion, giraffe and camel), the rest are "flying", and like we noticed years ago, the horse in the block (louisiana map) looks like the flying horses "The carousel figures are of three types: standers, with three feet on the ground; jumpers, with all four feet in the air; and prancers with the two hind legs earthbound..." hxxp://blog.nola.com/times-picayune/200 ... _agai.html - i was looking up the st. charles railway line markers and reading about the streetcar lines............this site mentions NAMESAKES STREET scroll down to Canal street line, 1st paragraph - canal street line ends at the beauregard statue..........look at the pics - the circles for the turnarounds could be the circle in the image...or.......the st charles line does have half a circle......and it would be "travel straight and then turn left into lafayette or audubon park----it goes to armstrong park too the canal street line would "travel straight, then turn right into city park like in the "solved" ones the lines in the circle (in the image) could be for the street car "lines" in the roads - 1. st. charles streetcar line and st. charles avenue (canal streetcar line didn't run for years) hxxp://www.flickr.com/photos/wallyg/458 ... otostream/ 2. olmsted designed it 3. (i know i'm gonna get it for this, but whiterabbit will smile)........during my research of the fair folk, from the map on p. 10, i had #7 and#8 going to france, and #7 going to france/holland. anyway, the tupperwerewolves (dutch) on p. 136, had the same checkered tablecloth as in the image. these guys are "almost indistinguishable from a normal human "bore".."bores" bores" and audubon park "The two principal parks of New Orleans are Audubon and City Parks. They are situated at opposite extremities of the city. Audubon Park is a magnificent expanse of •247 acres. It was originally the property p683of the patriotic Mazan, one of Lafrénière'sº companions in the disastrous revolt in 1768. His property was confiscated by the Spanish government, and some years later granted to Pierre Foucher, son-in‑law of Etienne de Boré. De Boré's own estate lay below the present lower boundary of the park; it was there that he succeeded in perfecting the manufacture of sugar, and raised the first commercially profitable crop of that staple ever grown in Louisiana. Both of these estates eventually fell into the hands of the Marquis de Circé-Foucher, by whose heirs the present Audubon Park was sold to the city in 1871 for $180,000. It was known in 1879 as the "New City Park." The name of Audubon was not bestowed till some years later, at the suggestion of Dr. T. G. Richardson, to whom Coliseum Square also owes its name. The land was allowed to lie unimproved till 1884, when the Cotton Centennial Exposition was ...." and somewhere (can't find it now), i remember reading the st. charles streetcar line was 42 blocks and they stopped every 2 blocks......half of 42 is "21".....or audubon began living in new orleans 1821 - storyland: puffed sleeves, flowers, and storyland moon and stars, humpty dumpty stick lafayette: the little boy, and the st. charles streetcar line went right by there and it's bounded by st. charles avenue armstrong park: the mask - Henry Clay in Lafayette Park, and Henry Clay Work wrote "My Grandfather's Clock" - henry clay was born in april, 1777--------------in the middle of 21---------------1777 year of his birth, but not sure if it's on the statue yet i was joking before about "down to the ground" meaning earth, clay but ... - why not Lee Circle? look at the streetcar lines on this map: hxxp://wikimapia.org/#lat=29.9433387&lo ... 18&l=0&m=b hxxp://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File : ... ram02b.jpg hxxp://www.inetours.com/New_Orleans/Pho ... tatue.html could be the flagpole i thought i could see on the right side of the image. looks like about 15 steps down to the ground hxxp://www.flickr.com/photos/wallyg/4550858972/ on this map, counting beginning and end , there would be "21" stops. lee circle is at "3" -only 3 stand watch (stand, stop) hxxp://www.trekexchange.com/files/NO_St ... ur_Map.pdf or maybe the giant urns on tripod legs could be the "3" see that big roman numeral "I" underneath him.......... hxxp://www.flickr.com/photos/wallyg/455 ... otostream/ Page 49 - "Another part of the inscription says By bequest Mrs. Chapman H. Hyams left her jewels to Audubon and City Parks". hxxp://www.saveaudubonpark.org/web/saparchive/p4047.htm Jewels and Audubon is pretty close to Jewels Abound - just an extra U Page 50 - the Hyams fountains are still my current favourite for: 1) "jewels abound" text in "jewels to audubon" inscription 2) MCMXIV inscription suggested by 19XIV 3) "Fays delight" appears in quotation: "The fay's delight is to await by the fountain" 4) Statue of boy staring into the water fits with the Narcissus theme for the image. (With the three kids at the other end, could also imagine "three stand watch" and "circle of friends" here.) 5) Hyams link to the St Charles Hotel 6) The apparently regular layout of flagstones around the edge of the fountain provides a possible way to identify a particular spot using references like "fifteen rows" and "in the middle of 21". If it turned out the thing was 21 yards long, or had 15 paving slabs across one edge, it would seal the deal. If the Audubon and City Parks ones are the same, I don't know which it might be though - seems there are matching landmarks all over the place. Giant flowers in City, shelters in Audubon, etc. Page 51 - if you look at the image upside down, you can tell either side of the clock is either columns or gates, or i can even picture it as the bottom of the hyams fountain download/file.php?id=2862&mode=view

Page 45 -The namesakes meeting Near this site ...reminded me that: "Basin Street is the street where the elite always meet". Basin Street Blues, recorded by Louis Armstrong in 1929 (the date on the clock). Runs into Louis Armstrong Park. There seem to be different versions of the lyrics floating around; one mentions the St Louis Cemetary. hxxp://www.e-chords.com/chords/louis-ar ... reet-blues hxxp://www.lyricsbay.com/basin_street_b ... trong.html In the middle of twenty-one ...on the clock...? The letter V...? Fifteen rows down to the ground ...perhaps referring to rows on the chequered design. * * * * * I don’t trust the Field Guide as a reliable source of information, but it’s usually possible to find something with a visual connection to an image which can spark off some ideas. I was wondering about playing cards, which led me to page 112 which mentions slam-dunking. (This entry also talks about 1929, the Mississippi, and death by drowning, a-la Narcissus. The demon bears a faint resemblance to the mask.) I think of the shapes in the starry region at the top of the clock as n(ew) and o(rleans). Could the “n” with the “moon” and “Peter Pan” suggest a basketball connection…? (a net and ball viewed from above, with a slam-dunker. Maybe got to work out where clock-boy put the ball or something. The position could be calculated by laying out the location like a basketball court (eg 15m wide). Or as a chessboard, like the statue in Dali's Narcissus. ImageImage I like the observation that one of Louis Armstrong’s nicknames was “Dipper”. Could refer to the Big Dipper, or Plough. The “bike-like” object in the centre of the clockface might also hint at a plough, or digging. Lafayette Square looks like a pretty good spot. I was pleased to see Benjamin Franklin there, since he seems to crop up in other parts of the book. In the Field Guide, for instance, I think he's represented by the "Postmonster General", having been Postmaster General. The "Whereabouts" guide on 221/222 locates him in Louisiana - the only entry for that state. Perhaps this is why. I was also reading up on The Grand Lafayette, a famous illusionist. (Mask? I'm interested in that his "signature act" was The Lion's Bride, which he died in the middle of - reminds me of the Lion mask.) I like: Image 1911 RIP, the year Lafayette died. The tricky bit is finding the X... (If you've read my ramblings on image 11, y'all are going to start thinking I'm morbid. ) - Armstrong Park seemed the location to me however Ray Nagin is his crappy crookedness destroyed the park. The Louis Armstrong statue is damaged and got moved to a different location in the park. New walkways were installed that are also sub par and the park now floods. I would be leery of digging in Lafayette square because of Homeland security. The post office is right across the street and there are no hidden spots to dig. - In the middle of twenty-one From end to end (twenty-one / blackjack / jackson) The bottom of the stick up to the lower lip of the mask is 2 inches. Gnomes were apparently invented by Paracelsus, and were "two spans high". hxxp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnome This lip / crescent is also about "fifteen rows down". (I say "about" because the cut-off at the top of the page makes it ambiguous.) Other random thoughts: The circular arrow indicates 10/12ths of the distance around the dial. The clock hands are in the shape of an "L" (twelfth letter), and the vertical hand passes through 12. I'm also interested in how the Narcissus myth might come into this. I'm thinking of clock-boy as Narcissus, as he's staring at one, as in the myth. The Great Lafayette was pals with Houdini, who "sent a floral representation of Beauty [Lafayette's dog] to the funeral". hxxp://members.fortunecity.com/gillonj/ ... lafayette/ So that's two stories about how beauty became a flower. Lafayette was obsessed with this dog. Beauty might be the "dragon square". If clock-boy is Narcissus/Lafayette, Armstrong could be the gnome. I also wondered about turquoise / turk wise / mechanical turk. In the Wizard of Oz, the Scarecrow (bloke on a stick) lacked a brain, and had his head stuffed with pins and needles and straw. The Field Guide entry for "Tinkerbell" (compare the bell on P179 to the Narcissus - also trumpet bell / Peter Pan), explains that they "imbue every piece of hardware with a personality and reduce humankind to the condition of machines". This seems to fit with the idea of the mask and the clock. (I did warn you about this post...) Yay, I just noticed The Mechanical Turk beat Benjamin Franklin. I'm determined to bring that dude into everything. Y'know...a clockwork mechanism with a human face that's famous for moving a knight around the board in a chess puzzle called "the knight's tour"...maybe it's not such a big stretch after all. Another point for equestrian Jackson...? Then again, it could just be a ridiculously complicated clue for turkuoise... - The letters J B appear either side of the pointer, which also divides the 12 into 10 (J) and 2 (B). It's dedicated to Jean-Baptiste, "founder of New Orleans". - Here's the theory. Moon and St Louis clues point to Jackson Square and the mask. Sarmiento and statue clues point to Lafayette Square and the clock-face. Between J and L is K Fifteen rows down to the ground 1 up, 5 along on a chessboard - the King. In the middle of twenty-one First 21 letters: abcdefghij K lmnopqrstu also: blac K jack In between Jackson and Lafayette geographically, you have Decantur - December, the month for the image. And on Decantur Street, we find this monument where "three stand watch". "The Bienville Monument, by Angela Gregory, was dedicated on April 24, 1955. The bronze sculpture depicts Pierre Le Moyne d'Iberville, in colonial dress flanked by a seated male Indian and a standing male, Father Athanase, a Recollect monk." Image Here's a snap from Google Street View. Image It's the meeting place, or middle point, when the mask and the clock-face combine to create the man-machine, the mechanical turk. (Horse in Jackson = Knight's Tour. Franklin in Lafayette = famous opponent). It's 11-o-clock, where Narcissus gazes at his reflection in the flower. (Am I getting carried away now...? ) The Turk awaits your move. Image Image Last edited by Anonymous on Fri Oct 01, 2010 11:17 pm, edited 1 time in total. - The Joan of Arc statue was originally between Canal and Poydras st. It's present location was installed way after the casque was buried. - i do love that little boy on the mcdonough statue but everyone says you can not dig there.......when i was reading that thread i remember thinking "down to the ground" and henry clay is there and clay can mean earth, ground....... and if "where jewels abound" is elysian field road (or whatever, i forget now), then it would be down there in the french quarter somewhere right? after you went "15 roads", which would make sense for the french image............ - Verse 10 Although the sign Nearby Speaks of Indies native The natives still speak Of him of Hard word in 3 Vols I was thinking about "him of Hard word in 3 Vols" in V10, and wondered if this might be Noah Webster of dictionary fame. (I see this was also suggested previously.) I remembered a Louis Armstrong number which goes: You'll find the answer if you take a look In Mr. Webster's dictionary book ...Louis' answer being Sugar. Here's some info on his version... The lyrics also include some Narcissus-friendly lines like: I'd make a million trips To his [her] lips, If I were a bee ...so I thought I'd see how the rest of it checked out with this image, since it seems impossible to say for 100% certain which image matches which verse. The most obvious sugar connection with New Orleans is the Sugar Bowl at the Louisiana Superdome. (Tupperwerewolf?) Image In the shadow Of the grey giant I wondered if the Superbowl might be the "Grey Giant". I was interested to see that there's a bunch of nearby streets named after the nine Muses, who were neighbours of Narcissus on Mount Helicon. (Three nines on the clock.) The full list of these is: Calliope Clio Erato Euterpe Melpomene Polyhymnia Terpsichore Thalia Urania The Muses tend to brandish things like comedy masks and trumpets, which looked encouraging. Here's Clio, Euterpe and Thalia. Image Clio (History) has the trumpet, Thalia has the mask. I like this pic since it seems to have similar red/blue/purple colouring to the image. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * In "Preservation", we can find "Pres [French "near"] in Erato". (The V looks crossed out.) In the initial capitals of the verse, we can find "Clio". I wondered if these letters might be regularly spaced, and found that you can reach them by taking every sixth initial starting with Cars. If you continue, you end up with this sequence (covering each letter once): COLIYTOTISFOENOIFATAO ...before ending up where you started. I was pleased to see it finish with TAO, since this crops up in other parts of the book - for instance, at the bottom-left of the same double page. It basically means: "way". If meaningful, this string of letters might be interpreted in different ways. For instance, we could divide it up like this: COLI YTO TISF OEN OIFAT AO CLIO TOY FITS ONE AIOFT AO (I'd prefer not to have to use the I as an L in Aloft, but I consoled myself by looking for some lofts, or attics. The Ritch Doctor is described as an MD, and located in Maryland - MD - but originally comes from "Attic Greece". In Roman numerals, MD is 1500, and the Superbowl is at 1500 Sugar Bowl Drive. The Doctor is also shown, for no obvious reason, sitting at a desk with a key in his back. Mechanical Turk...?) Given the Greek theme, AO could suggest Alpha & Omega. Image I also like: Look down And see simple roots In rhapsodic man's soil Or gaze north Toward the isle of B. Tailor / sleeve...? Nearby Taylor Park...? (I had this idea of the mask being pulled off clock-boy and replanted in the sleeve, like, find the spot in Taylor Park where the statue would be, or something. The Muses are daughters of Memory.) The moon and the checkerboard suggests a game of draughts, and the Superbowl from above would fit in with that. (Draught-pieces are called "dames", which crop up in the field guide, along with draft-dodgers.) Other thoughts: Speaks of Indies native Perhaps a plant that's native to the West/East Indies. Eg, does Sugarcane fit that description...? Might be a sign for Sugar Bowl Drive or something. I also wondered about rubber & sarsaparilla. In rhapsodic man's soil Louis starred in a flick called A Rhapsody in Black and Blue. (cf Boogie Man field-guide reference to black & blue.) Cars abound Arcs...? Crescent city / Joan of Arc. isle of B Foibles...? Foible being the tip of a sword. Reminds me of the clock pointer, the tip of which resembles an anchor, a sword, or an Aries sign. - verse #2 has the quote "Who build palaces to shelter Their heads for a night!" from Abroad in America talking about the St. Charles Hotel in New Orleans. - "La Fayette" appears in the section on the Pre-revolutionary Warlock - "a smallish Fay who took the form of a humble French weremole". Page 47 - what if it's not by the statue but by the historical marker. it has the same shape ( i know, all the historical markers have that shape ), but in this photo you can see the peter pan guy right behind the marker.. The only bad thing was that it was established in 1985. - i had been looking at the allard plantation sign at city park because it had "the spirit of 76" on it (mentioned in the book) (by the beauregard statue, his horse is standing on 3 legs, lol ) (Spirit of '76 is on the little sign at the bottom) - i don't think i'd ever read that storyland had "21" rides before, always tried to find how many storybook characters there were........so this make it interesting: "Built in the 50’s by master float builders Storyland boasts of 21 rides,..." - i'm thinking maybe the carousel (for the circle in the image), i read where only 3 of the animals "stand"(lion, giraffe and camel), the rest are "flying", and like we noticed years ago, the horse in the block (louisiana map) looks like the flying horses "The carousel figures are of three types: standers, with three feet on the ground; jumpers, with all four feet in the air; and prancers with the two hind legs earthbound..." hxxp://blog.nola.com/times-picayune/200 ... _agai.html - i was looking up the st. charles railway line markers and reading about the streetcar lines............this site mentions NAMESAKES STREET scroll down to Canal street line, 1st paragraph - canal street line ends at the beauregard statue..........look at the pics - the circles for the turnarounds could be the circle in the image...or.......the st charles line does have half a circle ......and it would be "travel straight and then turn left into lafayette or audubon park----it goes to armstrong park too the canal street line would "travel straight, then turn right into city park like in the "solved" ones the lines in the circle (in the image) could be for the street car "lines" in the roads - 1. st. charles streetcar line and st. charles avenue (canal streetcar line didn't run for years) hxxp://www.flickr.com/photos/wallyg/458 ... otostream/ 2. olmsted designed it 3. (i know i'm gonna get it for this, but whiterabbit will smile)........during my research of the fair folk, from the map on p. 10, i had #7 and#8 going to france, and #7 going to france/holland. anyway, the tupperwerewolves (dutch) on p. 136, had the same checkered tablecloth as in the image. these guys are "almost indistinguishable from a normal human "bore".."bores" bores" and audubon park "The two principal parks of New Orleans are Audubon and City Parks. They are situated at opposite extremities of the city. Audubon Park is a magnificent expanse of •247 acres. It was originally the property p683of the patriotic Mazan, one of Lafrénière'sº companions in the disastrous revolt in 1768. His property was confiscated by the Spanish government, and some years later granted to Pierre Foucher, son-in‑law of Etienne de Boré. De Boré's own estate lay below the present lower boundary of the park; it was there that he succeeded in perfecting the manufacture of sugar, and raised the first commercially profitable crop of that staple ever grown in Louisiana. Both of these estates eventually fell into the hands of the Marquis de Circé-Foucher, by whose heirs the present Audubon Park was sold to the city in 1871 for $180,000. It was known in 1879 as the "New City Park." The name of Audubon was not bestowed till some years later, at the suggestion of Dr. T. G. Richardson, to whom Coliseum Square also owes its name. The land was allowed to lie unimproved till 1884, when the Cotton Centennial Exposition was ...." and somewhere (can't find it now), i remember reading the st. charles streetcar line was 42 blocks and they stopped every 2 blocks......half of 42 is "21".....or audubon began living in new orleans 1821 - storyland: puffed sleeves, flowers, and storyland moon and stars, humpty dumpty stick lafayette: the little boy, and the st. charles streetcar line went right by there and it's bounded by st. charles avenue armstrong park: the mask - Henry Clay in Lafayette Park, and Henry Clay Work wrote "My Grandfather's Clock" - henry clay was born in april, 1777--------------in the middle of 21---------------1777 year of his birth, but not sure if it's on the statue yet i was joking before about "down to the ground" meaning earth, clay but ... - why not Lee Circle ? look at the streetcar lines on this map: hxxp://wikimapia.org/#lat=29.9433387&lo ... 18&l=0&m=b hxxp://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File : ... ram02b.jpg hxxp://www.inetours.com/New_Orleans/Pho ... tatue.html could be the flagpole i thought i could see on the right side of the image. looks like about 15 steps down to the ground hxxp://www.flickr.com/photos/wallyg/4550858972/ on this map, counting beginning and end , there would be "21" stops. lee circle is at "3" -only 3 stand watch (stand, stop) hxxp://www.trekexchange.com/files/NO_St ... ur_Map.pdf or maybe the giant urns on tripod legs could be the "3" see that big roman numeral "I" underneath him.......... hxxp://www.flickr.com/photos/wallyg/455 ... otostream/ Page 49 - "Another part of the inscription says By bequest Mrs. Chapman H. Hyams left her jewels to Audubon and City Parks". hxxp://www.saveaudubonpark.org/web/saparchive/p4047.htm Jewels and Audubon is pretty close to Jewels Abound - just an extra U Page 50 - the Hyams fountains are still my current favourite for: 1) "jewels abound" text in "jewels to audubon" inscription 2) MCMXIV inscription suggested by 19XIV 3) "Fays delight" appears in quotation: "The fay's delight is to await by the fountain" 4) Statue of boy staring into the water fits with the Narcissus theme for the image. (With the three kids at the other end, could also imagine "three stand watch" and " circle of friends" here.) 5) Hyams link to the St Charles Hotel 6) The apparently regular layout of flagstones around the edge of the fountain provides a possible way to identify a particular spot using references like "fifteen rows" and "in the middle of 21". If it turned out the thing was 21 yards long, or had 15 paving slabs across one edge, it would seal the deal. If the Audubon and City Parks ones are the same, I don't know which it might be though - seems there are matching landmarks all over the place. Giant flowers in City, shelters in Audubon, etc. Page 51 - if you look at the image upside down, you can tell either side of the clock is either columns or gates, or i can even picture it as the bottom of the hyams fountain download/file.php?id=2862&mode=view

Page 83 Hey guys, I'm more focused on the supposed Charleston image but decided to take a gander at the toher 10 images. Something caught my eye about image 7 immediately that I don't believe anyone's picked up on yet. Now I searched this thread as far back as I could and didnt catch this being mentioned so if this is old news, oh well. Most everyone is pointing to Lafayette square as ground zero for the secret. I will not contest that, but when I checked out the map of the area and then looked back at image 7, I instantly noticed a deliberate alignment in the background that reminded me of the radial pattern of some of New Orleans street systems. I'm referring to the lower right checkerboard centered around the dog(?) head. I don't think the importance of that is what the object is, but where it is in relation to the grid. I opened google maps and almost instantly found an area NW of Lafayette that matched the grid almost perfectly (two areas actually, but one is more focused than the other). First, the image area in question: Image Now I currently lack decent image editing software, but in general, you can see there's an obvious shift to the left on those tiles, and a sharp angle near the bottom. Long story short I found similar shaped in the streets here: Image Image and here: Image The second one matches the shape a lot better, but looks to be too broad in pinpointing it. However, look at the first set, on Loyola Avenue. Now, if we were to overlay - which again, I can't right now - the street with the curve, we will see that from Loyola to Rampart covers the square left of the head. This means the next block over - between Rampart and O'Keefe (and also generally between Gravier and Peridio) lies the area where the head is. Image Now I was going to call it there and say look around the park, Duncan Plaza, to the west of it, but while I was literally writing this, I used Streetview to check out the area real quick. And wouldn't you know, I stumble across this: https://goo.gl/maps/3mCTx Okay, this can be a very convenient coincidence, but look at this building. Look at the shape of the crest above the door and compare it against the mask shape. Very strong? I'd say so. The window arches? Reeeeeeally clost to the arch of the grandfather clock. And the round alarm next to the door? Fairly similar to the one on the clock face... maybe (I think the moon is the Superdome still, buuuuut...) And the attached verse, "Here is a sovereign people / Who build palaces to shelter / Their heads for a night!" I've found several prominent hotels in that area that could be ones existant when this verse was written. All that being said, I had a shiver when I looked at the doorway. I have searched this forum for this word, different spellings and all, but did not find a match. DRYADES Do you know what that word means? It's a tree nymph. Friend of a gnome. Spirit of a Faye. I may have skipped over a lot and will recheck other people's notes... but I think I found something significant to branch off of here. Page 84 - Anyone else curious why the molding on the clock isn't symmetrical at all? Page 88 - I've seen some pictures of a tomb at the St. Louis Cemetery #1 in New Orleans that has an arch design similar to the arches at the top of the grandfather clock in Image 7. I know I may be bleeding this thread with some Methodology Discussion thread, but Preiss is known to have said - Did any of the cloak and dagger/threatened shunning have to do with this idea? Image Take twice as many east steps as the hour Or more From the middle of one branch Of the v It's an hour hand going through an hour on the clock through the middle of (one branch, though?) of the V and pointing directly at the jewel. Page 99-100 - The flying man on the clock has been driving me crazy for years. I knew I'd seen him before. And I never bought into the theory that he was from the statue in Lafayette park. It just wasn't similar enough. But for the longest time I thought the circle meant it was from some old Louis Armstrong record, so I kept searching for a record logo that had him on the center. But I finally found him instead in a collection of old Mardi Gras doubloons! (Seriously this drove me crazy for years). This is the Hermes doubloon from 1982. I hope this is a convincer. The image is not of a statue at all, but of Hermes. But not just any old Hermes, but specifically the Hermes from Krewe of Hermes -- and the 1981/1982 (ish) doubloon. The IV convinces me that it's meant to represent the doubloon, anyway. I suppose it *could* be a coincidence. But I doubt it. (I know someone else once posted they though he looked like Hermes and that the clock hand looked like his caduceus -- but I don't think anyone believed it. Now I think this doubloon proves he was correct). I am thinking this is possibly a clue indicating a parade route... Anyone know what the route was in 1981/1982? - Excellent update, this is some solid investigation from you guys. I never heard of the Krewe so upon mentioning their parade route - let's assume it hasn't changed... much - so I came across this Google Mapmaker route: https://goo.gl/FUVqkt Image This immediately set off alarms for me as I made an observation quite a while ago about the checkerboard patterns in the drawing linked here: https://goo.gl/o2jt8U - Im not gonna repost everything I said there as it's likely outdated. I still believed it had to reference some sort of street pattern as NO lacks any sort of topography. So when I took the parade route and (possible forcing the evidence, fair warning) flipping and rotating the route, we get this: Image And look at what happens when I draw along the grid on the drawing: Image Now I still don't have a reference to it and it could be more pareidolia, but I really like how much better it works/fits than my original observation. Problem is I have less of a hypothesis for this, but it's a good branching off point. However, the lion head does not align with any greenery in the associated map area besides a cemetery, it already passes by known hotspots like Lafayette Square and Lee Circle, and I don't have much else to add beyond that :/ Page 104 - "At a place where jewels abound".. Maybe he is just talking about the French quarter " 15 rows down to the ground".. Reference to the monteleone hotel. It has 15 floors. Also, well known for famous writers to stay there. Plus, in the picture, everything begins with the clock. So, he steps out the hotel and wants to take us on a stroll with him. "in the middle of twenty one from end to end". To me end to end is the key here. Monteleone is on royal Street but not long enough. But if you extend it from Poydras street to elesian fields, which many people do anyway, there are 21 blocks. I believe there are 21 chess board squares on the pic. So he walks outside the hotel, walks alongside the poles with the horses heads, the middle of 21 is directly behind st louis cathedral. "only three stand watch".. I believe this to be either the 3 steeples of the cathedral or the three buildings next to each other: the cabildo, st. Louis cathedral, and the presbytere. Here you are exactly at the beginning of Orleans ave. "as the sound of friends fills the afternoon hours". My reasoning here might very well be flawed. But, as you walk down orleans ave Good Friends bar is on the corner of Orleans and dauphine. It is always busy and can surely here people having a good time. Now, you have to go to the picture. I believe that everyone who connected the louis armstrong entrance arch is correct. Because as you look forward as you're strolling you run smack into the entrance. Suppose, the clock is showing midnight and the stars and the moon back that theory up. If you find a picture of this on the internet, everything about the entrance appears on the picture. Even the moon is perfectly placed. On the pic, both arrows point to preservation. Replace "preservation" with "ARMSTRONG". To me, this is a dead ringer. Also, you literally walk down royal within a half block of preservation hall. Plus, armstrong park is all about the preservation of jazz. If all of this is right, I went a couple of days ago and I believe the picture and verse lead you right to it. Within an inch. I didn't even realize it for sure, till hours later. BP knew burying something in new orleans without an attachment wasn't too bright. When I looked at the picture again, WOW. Now, I am not saying that it's 100% there, but I would be quite shocked if it is not. I'm also sure that my mind is probably manufacturing facts and images. So we shall see. I would love some imput back please. After I came to this conclusion, I joined this group to see what I missed. So much great work on here. And now I grew more convinced. Page 109 - 1. It appears that the casques have been buried in larger parks. While this may not be 100% true, I look at the 2 that have been found and the areas that are currently believed, such as Montreal, San Fransisco, Houston, etc. All of these parks seem to have a strong connection to the immigration narrative and contain gardens. They also are areas in which digging would be relatively easy and away from authorities and suspicion. This is one of the reasons that I believe that Jackson Square, Lafayette Square, and even Armstrong Park all seem like poor candidates for the location. Too many people, too guarded, too historic, etc., even in 1980. Plus, the parks in the Quarter celebrate Man rather than Nature and the Fair people. 2. In NOLA, the water table is high, hence why many cemeteries are above ground. I'm struggling with the idea of putting something in the base ground in most areas. Perhaps the casque is buried similar to the Cleveland casque, above ground? Either way, BP had to be acutely ware of the difficulty in burying objects in New Orleans. 3. Central to the idea above in #1, none of the squares and parks in the French Quarter really fit the mold of the parks that BP was naturally drawn too. As I look around New Orleans, two major parks stand out, Audubon and City parks. I know that people pursued City Park for a while, and perhaps gave up somewhat after Katrina. Audubon seems to have been considered and dismissed, partially because most people want to ground the location in the French Quarter. 4. The thought that keeps popping in my head is that Preiss wanted this to be accessible to everyone, young and old alike. This leads me to believe that the location would be accessible to children. He even stated in the book that "if you have determined the location of a treasure but are unable to explore it in person...", which means that even children, who have no means of getting to the site could participate. Where do children typically go? Parks. 5. We have to frame this, and any of the hunts, in the time period using the tools available at the time. Yes, it's great to have Google Earth, social media, cell phones, and even this forum, but I firmly believe these are solved using maps from the time period and being on the ground. BP wanted people to explore and look around. We have to consider, that even for a seasoned traveler, going to far flung places is challenging. Especially in 1980, when many pockets of the country were still unique, New Orleans being one of the most unique cities in America for a visitor. BP would have done some research, but also relied upon talking to people and looking at what was the "pulse" of the city. If I were to go to a city, I would arrive and get a map. Maybe I would go to the visitor center. I would ask people what is popular, what is the history of the area. 6. Some people have suggested street cars should play into this puzzle. It has not been emphasized enough IMHO. Street cars are such an iconic part of NOLA, especially the St. Charles line. There has to be some reference or clue that includes this. 7. Obviously Mardi Gras is huge. Whether BP went there during Carnival is unknown, and I doubt that the suspected months associated with each image indicate when he visited each site. I can tell you though, if it were me, I would visit each site when it was nice weather and I could dig in ground that was not frozen. Back to the Mardi Gras thing. We obviously have a mask, although it is not ornate, probably to not make things too easy to identify the Big Easy. 8. We have to bring ourselves back to the very early 1980s to get a feel for this puzzle. Some of you who are resident to NOLA or have spent a lot of time there may be old enough, or perhaps can talk to some old timers about that time period. What was important? What were the attractions, and more importantly, what was not. Things that were new and the "buzz", like the Superdome, etc. may play heavily into the puzzle. I know that BP had a penchant for history, and that is important, but we cannot ignore the overall importance of what the society was focused on. 9. Maybe I'm missing things in Image 7, but it seems to be much more vague than most of the others. I have a feeling that the clues may have multiple meanings, e.g. they serve to get you not only to the general area, but also to the treasure. I could be wrong, but there does not appear to be any "see this rock, turn left, take 20 steps...." in this image. The clock face has to serve multiple purposes. I believe it is comprised of many visual clues in the area of interest. 10. Please remember that I, along with many other people (newbies) on this forum, have just started on this quest. I know many of you have been on here and searching for a decade or more and I appreciate your tenacity and efforts that have been put in. I know it's hard to stay enthusiastic after 36 years, but I think we can collaborate on this. I also realize that it is human nature to want to claim a treasure for one's self. That in part is a conundrum, because people will have a tendency to withhold info, and I respect that, but its not going to solve a puzzle, especially ones that have eluded people for 36 years. I find this hunt intriguing and am willing to help. If there are people on this thread that are local to NOLA, feel free to reach out to me with a PM or we can post "publicly" here. I noticed that in the early posts, people were sharing ideas and theories, I think we need more of this. New eyes and new thoughts can bring results. As a side note, it seems that BP tied the difficulty of solving the puzzle to the value of the gem associated with the P and V. Turquoise is cheap. Maybe we are all over thinking this one. Page 110 - Just a theory. Take a map of New Orleans and orient it so that Lafitte and N Jefferson Davis is the center of the clock. Point Lafitte Greenway up and it becomes the hour and minute hand and Jefferson Davis Pkwy greenbelt is the second hand. The boy locates the Fairgrounds (jockey). Bayou St John is the brown under the jockey and explains why the number in VIII are crooked. The moon is the Superdome. The Lafitte Greenway points right at Preservation Hall and the area of the Louis Armstrong Arch. It also looks like the muddy brown on the arch of the clock, where its lighter in color could be the Mississippi. [END OF SUMMARY]

Page 47 - what if it's not by the statue but by the historical marker. it has the same shape ( i know, all the historical markers have that shape ), but in this photo you can see the peter pan guy right behind the marker.. The only bad thing was that it was established in 1985. - i had been looking at the allard plantation sign at city park because it had "the spirit of 76" on it (mentioned in the book) (by the beauregard statue, his horse is standing on 3 legs, lol ) (Spirit of '76 is on the little sign at the bottom) - i don't think i'd ever read that storyland had "21" rides before, always tried to find how many storybook characters there were........so this make it interesting: "Built in the 50’s by master float builders Storyland boasts of 21 rides,..." - i'm thinking maybe the carousel (for the circle in the image), i read where only 3 of the animals "stand"(lion, giraffe and camel), the rest are "flying", and like we noticed years ago, the horse in the block (louisiana map) looks like the flying horses "The carousel figures are of three types: standers, with three feet on the ground; jumpers, with all four feet in the air; and prancers with the two hind legs earthbound..." hxxp://blog.nola.com/times-picayune/200 ... _agai.html - i was looking up the st. charles railway line markers and reading about the streetcar lines............this site mentions NAMESAKES STREET scroll down to Canal street line, 1st paragraph - canal street line ends at the beauregard statue..........look at the pics - the circles for the turnarounds could be the circle in the image...or.......the st charles line does have half a circle......and it would be "travel straight and then turn left into lafayette or audubon park----it goes to armstrong park too the canal street line would "travel straight, then turn right into city park like in the "solved" ones the lines in the circle (in the image) could be for the street car "lines" in the roads - 1. st. charles streetcar line and st. charles avenue (canal streetcar line didn't run for years) hxxp://www.flickr.com/photos/wallyg/458 ... otostream/ 2. olmsted designed it 3. (i know i'm gonna get it for this, but whiterabbit will smile)........during my research of the fair folk, from the map on p. 10, i had #7 and#8 going to france, and #7 going to france/holland. anyway, the tupperwerewolves (dutch) on p. 136, had the same checkered tablecloth as in the image. these guys are "almost indistinguishable from a normal human "bore".."bores" bores" and audubon park "The two principal parks of New Orleans are Audubon and City Parks. They are situated at opposite extremities of the city. Audubon Park is a magnificent expanse of •247 acres. It was originally the property p683of the patriotic Mazan, one of Lafrénière'sº companions in the disastrous revolt in 1768. His property was confiscated by the Spanish government, and some years later granted to Pierre Foucher, son-in‑law of Etienne de Boré. De Boré's own estate lay below the present lower boundary of the park; it was there that he succeeded in perfecting the manufacture of sugar, and raised the first commercially profitable crop of that staple ever grown in Louisiana. Both of these estates eventually fell into the hands of the Marquis de Circé-Foucher, by whose heirs the present Audubon Park was sold to the city in 1871 for $180,000. It was known in 1879 as the "New City Park." The name of Audubon was not bestowed till some years later, at the suggestion of Dr. T. G. Richardson, to whom Coliseum Square also owes its name. The land was allowed to lie unimproved till 1884, when the Cotton Centennial Exposition was ...." and somewhere (can't find it now), i remember reading the st. charles streetcar line was 42 blocks and they stopped every 2 blocks......half of 42 is "21".....or audubon began living in new orleans 1821 - storyland: puffed sleeves, flowers, and storyland moon and stars, humpty dumpty stick lafayette: the little boy, and the st. charles streetcar line went right by there and it's bounded by st. charles avenue armstrong park: the mask - Henry Clay in Lafayette Park, and Henry Clay Work wrote "My Grandfather's Clock" - henry clay was born in april, 1777--------------in the middle of 21---------------1777 year of his birth, but not sure if it's on the statue yet i was joking before about "down to the ground" meaning earth, clay but ... - why not Lee Circle? look at the streetcar lines on this map: hxxp://wikimapia.org/#lat=29.9433387&lo ... 18&l=0&m=b hxxp://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File : ... ram02b.jpg hxxp://www.inetours.com/New_Orleans/Pho ... tatue.html could be the flagpole i thought i could see on the right side of the image. looks like about 15 steps down to the ground hxxp://www.flickr.com/photos/wallyg/4550858972/ on this map, counting beginning and end , there would be "21" stops. lee circle is at "3" -only 3 stand watch (stand, stop) hxxp://www.trekexchange.com/files/NO_St ... ur_Map.pdf or maybe the giant urns on tripod legs could be the "3" see that big roman numeral "I" underneath him.......... hxxp://www.flickr.com/photos/wallyg/455 ... otostream/ Page 49 - "Another part of the inscription says By bequest Mrs. Chapman H. Hyams left her jewels to Audubon and City Parks". hxxp://www.saveaudubonpark.org/web/saparchive/p4047.htm Jewels and Audubon is pretty close to Jewels Abound - just an extra U Page 50 - the Hyams fountains are still my current favourite for: 1) "jewels abound" text in "jewels to audubon" inscription 2) MCMXIV inscription suggested by 19XIV 3) "Fays delight" appears in quotation: "The fay's delight is to await by the fountain" 4) Statue of boy staring into the water fits with the Narcissus theme for the image. (With the three kids at the other end, could also imagine "three stand watch" and "circle of friends" here.) 5) Hyams link to the St Charles Hotel 6) The apparently regular layout of flagstones around the edge of the fountain provides a possible way to identify a particular spot using references like "fifteen rows" and "in the middle of 21". If it turned out the thing was 21 yards long, or had 15 paving slabs across one edge, it would seal the deal. If the Audubon and City Parks ones are the same, I don't know which it might be though - seems there are matching landmarks all over the place. Giant flowers in City, shelters in Audubon, etc. Page 51 - if you look at the image upside down, you can tell either side of the clock is either columns or gates, or i can even picture it as the bottom of the hyams fountain download/file.php?id=2862&mode=view Page 53 - For NO, the dig spot i've been trying to get someone to look over (since I can't get there myself) practically has an X on it saying "DIG HERE" The image shows a second hand pointing to the 3. The exact direction to the wall from the center park statue if looking from the boy statue. The 15 rows and the middle of 21 has already been discussed in the Verse section. Also if you look at the second hand... it is between the inner circle, which I would take to be the concrete circle around the statue, and an outer circle that has markings that could easily represent bricks and mortar. So now we know which side of the wall is more likely. the only problem is how to dig there without getting arrested... especially being that it is right next to a Federal building. Well... HERE IS THE ANSWER TO THAT AS WELL. There is a non profit organization that maintains Lafayette Square, they do clean-ups, weeding, and plantings every other month. If you visit their site you will even see people with shovels in their picture gallery. There is even a couple resting against our little brick wall. Though it is late in the season, THIS SATURDAY is their FALL PLANTING maintenance event, and they're looking for volunteers. If I lived there or was able to get there, I would: 1. Contact these people IMMEDIATELY 2. Volunteer to help them ... I think they work from 9 to noon 3. Explain to them that we believe BP specifically chose this location, and we would like to search this specific area and document the search, AFTER the volunteer work is done. 4. Suggest that it could be great for park publicity and we would be glad to share our documentation and photos. their website: hxxp://www.lafayette-square.org/site.php Page 54 -55 - the Bienville statue is out as it was moved from the train station to it's spot now after this hunt started. - Just gotta line the square up with the the clock somehow... [this was followed by an image of JAckson square and the clock image rotated to fit JS] I like this orientation because the three towers are on "III", and the long hand is pointing at St Peter St., which is the right street for Preservation Hall...it's just further along to the north. I'd like to try and figure out where Semele is. If it matched the 19, we're in business. - The building opposite preservation hall has an arched doorway that looks sort of like the arch surrouding the clock in the Image Page 56 - The girl's dress on the McDonogh statue is similar enough to the cuff around the loupe-garoux hand to make a match. The figure on the clock is not merely similar to the boy on that same statue, it is identically posed except for the costume it wears. The "namesakes" fit for Lafayette and gnome (little person) for that same statue. There are at least 21 trees in the park--but the difficulty is finding what might be considered "end to end" and "the middle", since the park is square and the trees are scattered around that square, not in a line anywhere. The bollards along the path have been dug up and replaced since 1980. The casque will not be in one of the flower beds. Nearby is Gallier Hall, and James Gallier is buried in a tomb in St. Louis cemetery #3, which is next to a racetrack (the fairgrounds racetrace: Fair- Ground--also a "namesake" for Fey and Gnome, since the word gnome means "earth creature") and the figure on the clock is dressed as a jockey. The scrollwork present in the cemetery is eerily similar to the clock hand, and there is a distinct 3 on that hand (above JJP's initials.) The animal figure in the bottom of the I. is possibly a horse--hard to tell. Gallier Hall is James Gallier's "namesake" building. It is directly across from Lafayette Square. The only difficulty I've been having is that there seemed to be no "15 rows down to the ground". But I found that today. Just diagonally across from Gallier and Lafayette is Lee Circle--and the monument is circular, at the top of a mound with 15 STEPS DOWN TO THE GROUND at each point of the compass. This presents a bit of difficulty in one way--iLee Circle is a traffic circle and there is almost NO place one might be able to conceal a burial for a casque. Unless one were to maybe dress up like a road-crew worker? (as has been noted in past information). However, if that IS part of the location, then "in the middle of 21 is not in the middle of 21 trees, because there aren't any there at Lee Circle and never have been. I am still researching what 21 might be in that case. - Comparison of a lamppost which bears a reasonable resemblance to a design on the image Page 57 - That clock hand has the artist's initials: JJP the first J is oriented the correct way, the second is backwards, and the P is in the middle. Above that is an anchor. I realize he signed the painting below on the left, but I think this hand is just a "vanity" bit. A red herring. - However, there are four things that stand out about the Fair Grounds that make me believe it could be a location. (1) The words "Fair" and "Grounds" are two synonyms for Fay (Fey) and Gnome. Fey, or Fay, means Fair. Gnome means "ground dweller". Namesakes meeting near the site. (2) The gates scrollwork is, as I've said, similar to that on the clock hand--and there is a jockey statue right in front of the gates. (3) The general shape of that gate post is very much like the clock in the Image. (4) The checkered background on the Image--could be a visual trope for the Checkered Flag that starts and ends races. You might also note that two relatively famous race horses are buried on the infield. And there is a HUGE jazz festival there every year--with musicians who were and are notable at Preservation Hall (as well as other places in NO.) So that is a tie-in also. Not to mention the horse's head in the lower right corner of the Image. Page 58 - Okay, finished dabbling in some Morphy [New Orleans Chess Player) research. He lived at 417 Royal St. across from the courthouse and past Louis and Toulouse streets (if coming from Jackson Square)...reminds me of the stick and mask (Louis Armstrong and the Toulouse styled clothing). I'm compelled to look for Beauregard links, and it was reported that Morphy may have applied to the General's staff and may have been used in some capacity during the Civil War. The home is now the location of Brennan's restaurant. - Thought I'd take a crack at this today. Allowing a rotation of 90 degrees on the image I found some basic shape and name elements to put things into a perspective that might help someone out there. A is the Superdome, which looks similar in both upper and lower images B is a "berm" the lower image and is Behrman Memorial Park in the upper image C is freeway and bridge over the canal D is the Bread Lady of New Orleans which compares closely to the center of the clock's short hand The "jewel" and center of the clock seem to me the most location inspired spot and is associated with the Bread Lady near it's hub and the jockey who is poised to "slam dunk" something off in what would be the southward direction. South of the Bread Lady is Coliseum Square Park. It has an interesting clock gear shaped pattern actually. Page 59 - Although I've focussed on V7 with this image, I think I'd have to go along with the V2 consensus for this part of town because of Camp St and the Sarmiento quote. Grr, there's a trash truck parked right in front of my turquoise. If you interpreted the blue semicircle of the clock as that concrete bed, you could use the moon to locate the gem. Alternatively, you could take just the inner gem and use the clock hand pointing to the middle of it. Heck, it's only small. Just dig it all out. Page 60 - Fountain in Coliseum Square pic. Looks like it might match the clock face and maybe even the weird marks on the outside of the clock face represent benches - I received an email from a friend who visited NO last week, and here's what she had to say about it: Well, New Orleans was a bust. We visited Jackson Square, Lafayette Square, Lee Circle, Armstrong Park, City Park (which is mammoth!!), Harlequin Park and Tourmaline Park without anything really to get us there or keep us there as confirmers go. Lafayette Square is the top contender just a few blocks from the site of the old St. Charles Hotel (the palace), there are three statutes in the park (three stand watch) and Lafayette (Fays' namesake), but that is about it. I will need to do a little more research, but we could not find anything to really solidify a good lead anywhere. City Park is larger than Central Park NY--I don't know what gets you there and once there its so big, what in the picture or verses points you in the right direction??? We did check out Harlequin and Tourmaline Parks because of (In the place where jewels abound) They are parks nestled into streets with jewel names (roughly twenty of them, I think). But these are small, one block size, open green spaces with maybe one small out building, few trees and no markers or statues that abut up to backyards of a residential neighborhood. I can definitively say, these two parks are not the places. Have pictures of things that I'll post later. Beautiful botanical gardens at City park and a cool sculpture garden too---nice day out, just not a lucky day. This makes me believe that perhaps the race track is going to be more important. Not only are the gates reminiscent of the clock hands, but the clock figure reminds me of a jockey, and the space inside the track is the same shape as the mask/stick; the checkered background suggests jockey's silks and racing in general. There are three race horses already buried on the track's infield (3 stand watch). Also, the arrows around the clock face might suggest "going around in a circle", i.e, racing. There is not a lot of information and photographic research material on the net for this location, but someone one the grounds there might be able to associate something for us. I love Lafayette park as the location--or I did--but it's so small and so empty of other confirmers I'm starting to doubt it's usefulness. The "namesakes" could be "Fair and Grounds" (fay and gnome) for the racetrack. I think this merits further research. I could see the casque being buried near the grandstand (15 rows down to the ground) but what would the "jewels" be and the "21" from end-to-end? Page 61 - Back to the numbers 19 29 90, we are confident 29/90 are lat/long, but the 19? How about the Armstrong Elementary School atg 5909 St. Claude Street (McDonogh #19 school)? We have a lot of Armstrong stuff here...arch, mask, school 19. - Just heard back from Robin Riley, the architect behind the Louis Armstrong arch and park. He's indicated that he's happy to help, and has already made some interesting observations... "The masque held in front of the clock is a Mardi Gras masque—so, maybe there's a connection there. Not many people know I named the arch the "Mardi Gras" arch because floats (caravans with revilers) traveling to the Municipal Auditorium, in the park, would pass through the arch. There is a moon on the clock face. A connection to "Moon" Landrieu, the mayor who initiated the park project?" Page 62 - Morphy's headstone is in St Louis 1...(circled with Mardi Gras arch.) Page 64 - If you go down 15 rows in jackson square/artillery park/cafe du monde/moon walk, there are 21 X's

Page 83 Hey guys, I'm more focused on the supposed Charleston image but decided to take a gander at the toher 10 images. Something caught my eye about image 7 immediately that I don't believe anyone's picked up on yet. Now I searched this thread as far back as I could and didnt catch this being mentioned so if this is old news, oh well. Most everyone is pointing to Lafayette square as ground zero for the secret. I will not contest that, but when I checked out the map of the area and then looked back at image 7, I instantly noticed a deliberate alignment in the background that reminded me of the radial pattern of some of New Orleans street systems. I'm referring to the lower right checkerboard centered around the dog(?) head. I don't think the importance of that is what the object is, but where it is in relation to the grid. I opened google maps and almost instantly found an area NW of Lafayette that matched the grid almost perfectly (two areas actually, but one is more focused than the other). First, the image area in question: Image Now I currently lack decent image editing software, but in general, you can see there's an obvious shift to the left on those tiles, and a sharp angle near the bottom. Long story short I found similar shaped in the streets here: Image Image and here: Image The second one matches the shape a lot better, but looks to be too broad in pinpointing it. However, look at the first set, on Loyola Avenue. Now, if we were to overlay - which again, I can't right now - the street with the curve, we will see that from Loyola to Rampart covers the square left of the head. This means the next block over - between Rampart and O'Keefe (and also generally between Gravier and Peridio) lies the area where the head is. Image Now I was going to call it there and say look around the park, Duncan Plaza, to the west of it, but while I was literally writing this, I used Streetview to check out the area real quick. And wouldn't you know, I stumble across this: https://goo.gl/maps/3mCTx Okay, this can be a very convenient coincidence, but look at this building. Look at the shape of the crest above the door and compare it against the mask shape. Very strong? I'd say so. The window arches? Reeeeeeally clost to the arch of the grandfather clock. And the round alarm next to the door? Fairly similar to the one on the clock face... maybe (I think the moon is the Superdome still, buuuuut...) And the attached verse, "Here is a sovereign people / Who build palaces to shelter / Their heads for a night!" I've found several prominent hotels in that area that could be ones existant when this verse was written. All that being said, I had a shiver when I looked at the doorway. I have searched this forum for this word, different spellings and all, but did not find a match. DRYADES Do you know what that word means? It's a tree nymph. Friend of a gnome. Spirit of a Faye. I may have skipped over a lot and will recheck other people's notes... but I think I found something significant to branch off of here. Page 84 - Anyone else curious why the molding on the clock isn't symmetrical at all? Page 88 - I've seen some pictures of a tomb at the St. Louis Cemetery #1 in New Orleans that has an arch design similar to the arches at the top of the grandfather clock in Image 7. I know I may be bleeding this thread with some Methodology Discussion thread, but Preiss is known to have said - Did any of the cloak and dagger/threatened shunning have to do with this idea? Image Take twice as many east steps as the hour Or more From the middle of one branch Of the v It's an hour hand going through an hour on the clock through the middle of (one branch, though?) of the V and pointing directly at the jewel. Page 99-100 - The flying man on the clock has been driving me crazy for years. I knew I'd seen him before. And I never bought into the theory that he was from the statue in Lafayette park. It just wasn't similar enough. But for the longest time I thought the circle meant it was from some old Louis Armstrong record, so I kept searching for a record logo that had him on the center. But I finally found him instead in a collection of old Mardi Gras doubloons! (Seriously this drove me crazy for years). This is the Hermes doubloon from 1982. I hope this is a convincer. The image is not of a statue at all, but of Hermes. But not just any old Hermes, but specifically the Hermes from Krewe of Hermes -- and the 1981/1982 (ish) doubloon. The IV convinces me that it's meant to represent the doubloon, anyway. I suppose it *could* be a coincidence. But I doubt it. (I know someone else once posted they though he looked like Hermes and that the clock hand looked like his caduceus -- but I don't think anyone believed it. Now I think this doubloon proves he was correct). I am thinking this is possibly a clue indicating a parade route... Anyone know what the route was in 1981/1982? - Excellent update, this is some solid investigation from you guys. I never heard of the Krewe so upon mentioning their parade route - let's assume it hasn't changed... much - so I came across this Google Mapmaker route: https://goo.gl/FUVqkt Image This immediately set off alarms for me as I made an observation quite a while ago about the checkerboard patterns in the drawing linked here: https://goo.gl/o2jt8U - Im not gonna repost everything I said there as it's likely outdated. I still believed it had to reference some sort of street pattern as NO lacks any sort of topography. So when I took the parade route and (possible forcing the evidence, fair warning) flipping and rotating the route, we get this: Image And look at what happens when I draw along the grid on the drawing: Image Now I still don't have a reference to it and it could be more pareidolia, but I really like how much better it works/fits than my original observation. Problem is I have less of a hypothesis for this, but it's a good branching off point. However, the lion head does not align with any greenery in the associated map area besides a cemetery, it already passes by known hotspots like Lafayette Square and Lee Circle , and I don't have much else to add beyond that :/ Page 104 - "At a place where jewels abound".. Maybe he is just talking about the French quarter " 15 rows down to the ground".. Reference to the monteleone hotel. It has 15 floors. Also, well known for famous writers to stay there. Plus, in the picture, everything begins with the clock. So, he steps out the hotel and wants to take us on a stroll with him. "in the middle of twenty one from end to end". To me end to end is the key here. Monteleone is on royal Street but not long enough. But if you extend it from Poydras street to elesian fields, which many people do anyway, there are 21 blocks. I believe there are 21 chess board squares on the pic. So he walks outside the hotel, walks alongside the poles with the horses heads, the middle of 21 is directly behind st louis cathedral. "only three stand watch".. I believe this to be either the 3 steeples of the cathedral or the three buildings next to each other: the cabildo, st. Louis cathedral, and the presbytere. Here you are exactly at the beginning of Orleans ave. "as the sound of friends fills the afternoon hours". My reasoning here might very well be flawed. But, as you walk down orleans ave Good Friends bar is on the corner of Orleans and dauphine. It is always busy and can surely here people having a good time. Now, you have to go to the picture. I believe that everyone who connected the louis armstrong entrance arch is correct. Because as you look forward as you're strolling you run smack into the entrance. Suppose, the clock is showing midnight and the stars and the moon back that theory up. If you find a picture of this on the internet, everything about the entrance appears on the picture. Even the moon is perfectly placed. On the pic, both arrows point to preservation. Replace "preservation" with "ARMSTRONG". To me, this is a dead ringer. Also, you literally walk down royal within a half block of preservation hall. Plus, armstrong park is all about the preservation of jazz. If all of this is right, I went a couple of days ago and I believe the picture and verse lead you right to it. Within an inch. I didn't even realize it for sure, till hours later. BP knew burying something in new orleans without an attachment wasn't too bright. When I looked at the picture again, WOW. Now, I am not saying that it's 100% there, but I would be quite shocked if it is not. I'm also sure that my mind is probably manufacturing facts and images. So we shall see. I would love some imput back please. After I came to this conclusion, I joined this group to see what I missed. So much great work on here. And now I grew more convinced. Page 109 - 1. It appears that the casques have been buried in larger parks. While this may not be 100% true, I look at the 2 that have been found and the areas that are currently believed, such as Montreal, San Fransisco, Houston, etc. All of these parks seem to have a strong connection to the immigration narrative and contain gardens. They also are areas in which digging would be relatively easy and away from authorities and suspicion. This is one of the reasons that I believe that Jackson Square, Lafayette Square, and even Armstrong Park all seem like poor candidates for the location. Too many people, too guarded, too historic, etc., even in 1980. Plus, the parks in the Quarter celebrate Man rather than Nature and the Fair people. 2. In NOLA, the water table is high, hence why many cemeteries are above ground. I'm struggling with the idea of putting something in the base ground in most areas. Perhaps the casque is buried similar to the Cleveland casque, above ground? Either way, BP had to be acutely ware of the difficulty in burying objects in New Orleans. 3. Central to the idea above in #1, none of the squares and parks in the French Quarter really fit the mold of the parks that BP was naturally drawn too. As I look around New Orleans, two major parks stand out, Audubon and City parks. I know that people pursued City Park for a while, and perhaps gave up somewhat after Katrina. Audubon seems to have been considered and dismissed, partially because most people want to ground the location in the French Quarter. 4. The thought that keeps popping in my head is that Preiss wanted this to be accessible to everyone, young and old alike. This leads me to believe that the location would be accessible to children. He even stated in the book that "if you have determined the location of a treasure but are unable to explore it in person...", which means that even children, who have no means of getting to the site could participate. Where do children typically go? Parks. 5. We have to frame this, and any of the hunts, in the time period using the tools available at the time. Yes, it's great to have Google Earth, social media, cell phones, and even this forum, but I firmly believe these are solved using maps from the time period and being on the ground. BP wanted people to explore and look around. We have to consider, that even for a seasoned traveler, going to far flung places is challenging. Especially in 1980, when many pockets of the country were still unique, New Orleans being one of the most unique cities in America for a visitor. BP would have done some research, but also relied upon talking to people and looking at what was the "pulse" of the city. If I were to go to a city, I would arrive and get a map. Maybe I would go to the visitor center. I would ask people what is popular, what is the history of the area. 6. Some people have suggested street cars should play into this puzzle. It has not been emphasized enough IMHO. Street cars are such an iconic part of NOLA, especially the St. Charles line. There has to be some reference or clue that includes this. 7. Obviously Mardi Gras is huge. Whether BP went there during Carnival is unknown, and I doubt that the suspected months associated with each image indicate when he visited each site. I can tell you though, if it were me, I would visit each site when it was nice weather and I could dig in ground that was not frozen. Back to the Mardi Gras thing. We obviously have a mask, although it is not ornate, probably to not make things too easy to identify the Big Easy. 8. We have to bring ourselves back to the very early 1980s to get a feel for this puzzle. Some of you who are resident to NOLA or have spent a lot of time there may be old enough, or perhaps can talk to some old timers about that time period. What was important? What were the attractions, and more importantly, what was not. Things that were new and the "buzz", like the Superdome, etc. may play heavily into the puzzle. I know that BP had a penchant for history, and that is important, but we cannot ignore the overall importance of what the society was focused on. 9. Maybe I'm missing things in Image 7, but it seems to be much more vague than most of the others. I have a feeling that the clues may have multiple meanings, e.g. they serve to get you not only to the general area, but also to the treasure. I could be wrong, but there does not appear to be any "see this rock, turn left, take 20 steps...." in this image. The clock face has to serve multiple purposes. I believe it is comprised of many visual clues in the area of interest. 10. Please remember that I, along with many other people (newbies) on this forum, have just started on this quest. I know many of you have been on here and searching for a decade or more and I appreciate your tenacity and efforts that have been put in. I know it's hard to stay enthusiastic after 36 years, but I think we can collaborate on this. I also realize that it is human nature to want to claim a treasure for one's self. That in part is a conundrum, because people will have a tendency to withhold info, and I respect that, but its not going to solve a puzzle, especially ones that have eluded people for 36 years. I find this hunt intriguing and am willing to help. If there are people on this thread that are local to NOLA, feel free to reach out to me with a PM or we can post "publicly" here. I noticed that in the early posts, people were sharing ideas and theories, I think we need more of this. New eyes and new thoughts can bring results. As a side note, it seems that BP tied the difficulty of solving the puzzle to the value of the gem associated with the P and V. Turquoise is cheap. Maybe we are all over thinking this one. Page 110 - Just a theory. Take a map of New Orleans and orient it so that Lafitte and N Jefferson Davis is the center of the clock. Point Lafitte Greenway up and it becomes the hour and minute hand and Jefferson Davis Pkwy greenbelt is the second hand. The boy locates the Fairgrounds (jockey). Bayou St John is the brown under the jockey and explains why the number in VIII are crooked. The moon is the Superdome. The Lafitte Greenway points right at Preservation Hall and the area of the Louis Armstrong Arch. It also looks like the muddy brown on the arch of the clock, where its lighter in color could be the Mississippi. [END OF SUMMARY]

Page 47 - what if it's not by the statue but by the historical marker. it has the same shape ( i know, all the historical markers have that shape ), but in this photo you can see the peter pan guy right behind the marker.. The only bad thing was that it was established in 1985. - i had been looking at the allard plantation sign at city park because it had "the spirit of 76" on it (mentioned in the book) (by the beauregard statue, his horse is standing on 3 legs, lol ) (Spirit of '76 is on the little sign at the bottom) - i don't think i'd ever read that storyland had "21" rides before, always tried to find how many storybook characters there were........so this make it interesting: "Built in the 50’s by master float builders Storyland boasts of 21 rides,..." - i'm thinking maybe the carousel (for the circle in the image), i read where only 3 of the animals "stand"(lion, giraffe and camel), the rest are "flying", and like we noticed years ago, the horse in the block (louisiana map) looks like the flying horses "The carousel figures are of three types: standers, with three feet on the ground; jumpers, with all four feet in the air; and prancers with the two hind legs earthbound..." hxxp://blog.nola.com/times-picayune/200 ... _agai.html - i was looking up the st. charles railway line markers and reading about the streetcar lines............this site mentions NAMESAKES STREET scroll down to Canal street line, 1st paragraph - canal street line ends at the beauregard statue..........look at the pics - the circles for the turnarounds could be the circle in the image...or.......the st charles line does have half a circle ......and it would be "travel straight and then turn left into lafayette or audubon park----it goes to armstrong park too the canal street line would "travel straight, then turn right into city park like in the "solved" ones the lines in the circle (in the image) could be for the street car "lines" in the roads - 1. st. charles streetcar line and st. charles avenue (canal streetcar line didn't run for years) hxxp://www.flickr.com/photos/wallyg/458 ... otostream/ 2. olmsted designed it 3. (i know i'm gonna get it for this, but whiterabbit will smile)........during my research of the fair folk, from the map on p. 10, i had #7 and#8 going to france, and #7 going to france/holland. anyway, the tupperwerewolves (dutch) on p. 136, had the same checkered tablecloth as in the image. these guys are "almost indistinguishable from a normal human "bore".."bores" bores" and audubon park "The two principal parks of New Orleans are Audubon and City Parks. They are situated at opposite extremities of the city. Audubon Park is a magnificent expanse of •247 acres. It was originally the property p683of the patriotic Mazan, one of Lafrénière'sº companions in the disastrous revolt in 1768. His property was confiscated by the Spanish government, and some years later granted to Pierre Foucher, son-in‑law of Etienne de Boré. De Boré's own estate lay below the present lower boundary of the park; it was there that he succeeded in perfecting the manufacture of sugar, and raised the first commercially profitable crop of that staple ever grown in Louisiana. Both of these estates eventually fell into the hands of the Marquis de Circé-Foucher, by whose heirs the present Audubon Park was sold to the city in 1871 for $180,000. It was known in 1879 as the "New City Park." The name of Audubon was not bestowed till some years later, at the suggestion of Dr. T. G. Richardson, to whom Coliseum Square also owes its name. The land was allowed to lie unimproved till 1884, when the Cotton Centennial Exposition was ...." and somewhere (can't find it now), i remember reading the st. charles streetcar line was 42 blocks and they stopped every 2 blocks......half of 42 is "21".....or audubon began living in new orleans 1821 - storyland: puffed sleeves, flowers, and storyland moon and stars, humpty dumpty stick lafayette: the little boy, and the st. charles streetcar line went right by there and it's bounded by st. charles avenue armstrong park: the mask - Henry Clay in Lafayette Park, and Henry Clay Work wrote "My Grandfather's Clock" - henry clay was born in april, 1777--------------in the middle of 21---------------1777 year of his birth, but not sure if it's on the statue yet i was joking before about "down to the ground" meaning earth, clay but ... - why not Lee Circle ? look at the streetcar lines on this map: hxxp://wikimapia.org/#lat=29.9433387&lo ... 18&l=0&m=b hxxp://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File : ... ram02b.jpg hxxp://www.inetours.com/New_Orleans/Pho ... tatue.html could be the flagpole i thought i could see on the right side of the image. looks like about 15 steps down to the ground hxxp://www.flickr.com/photos/wallyg/4550858972/ on this map, counting beginning and end , there would be "21" stops. lee circle is at "3" -only 3 stand watch (stand, stop) hxxp://www.trekexchange.com/files/NO_St ... ur_Map.pdf or maybe the giant urns on tripod legs could be the "3" see that big roman numeral "I" underneath him.......... hxxp://www.flickr.com/photos/wallyg/455 ... otostream/ Page 49 - "Another part of the inscription says By bequest Mrs. Chapman H. Hyams left her jewels to Audubon and City Parks". hxxp://www.saveaudubonpark.org/web/saparchive/p4047.htm Jewels and Audubon is pretty close to Jewels Abound - just an extra U Page 50 - the Hyams fountains are still my current favourite for: 1) "jewels abound" text in "jewels to audubon" inscription 2) MCMXIV inscription suggested by 19XIV 3) "Fays delight" appears in quotation: "The fay's delight is to await by the fountain" 4) Statue of boy staring into the water fits with the Narcissus theme for the image. (With the three kids at the other end, could also imagine "three stand watch" and " circle of friends" here.) 5) Hyams link to the St Charles Hotel 6) The apparently regular layout of flagstones around the edge of the fountain provides a possible way to identify a particular spot using references like "fifteen rows" and "in the middle of 21". If it turned out the thing was 21 yards long, or had 15 paving slabs across one edge, it would seal the deal. If the Audubon and City Parks ones are the same, I don't know which it might be though - seems there are matching landmarks all over the place. Giant flowers in City, shelters in Audubon, etc. Page 51 - if you look at the image upside down, you can tell either side of the clock is either columns or gates, or i can even picture it as the bottom of the hyams fountain download/file.php?id=2862&mode=view Page 53 - For NO, the dig spot i've been trying to get someone to look over (since I can't get there myself) practically has an X on it saying "DIG HERE" The image shows a second hand pointing to the 3. The exact direction to the wall from the center park statue if looking from the boy statue. The 15 rows and the middle of 21 has already been discussed in the Verse section. Also if you look at the second hand... it is between the inner circle , which I would take to be the concrete circle around the statue, and an outer circle that has markings that could easily represent bricks and mortar. So now we know which side of the wall is more likely. the only problem is how to dig there without getting arrested... especially being that it is right next to a Federal building. Well... HERE IS THE ANSWER TO THAT AS WELL. There is a non profit organization that maintains Lafayette Square, they do clean-ups, weeding, and plantings every other month. If you visit their site you will even see people with shovels in their picture gallery. There is even a couple resting against our little brick wall. Though it is late in the season, THIS SATURDAY is their FALL PLANTING maintenance event, and they're looking for volunteers. If I lived there or was able to get there, I would: 1. Contact these people IMMEDIATELY 2. Volunteer to help them ... I think they work from 9 to noon 3. Explain to them that we believe BP specifically chose this location, and we would like to search this specific area and document the search, AFTER the volunteer work is done. 4. Suggest that it could be great for park publicity and we would be glad to share our documentation and photos. their website: hxxp://www.lafayette-square.org/site.php Page 54 -55 - the Bienville statue is out as it was moved from the train station to it's spot now after this hunt started. - Just gotta line the square up with the the clock somehow... [this was followed by an image of JAckson square and the clock image rotated to fit JS] I like this orientation because the three towers are on "III", and the long hand is pointing at St Peter St., which is the right street for Preservation Hall...it's just further along to the north. I'd like to try and figure out where Semele is. If it matched the 19, we're in business. - The building opposite preservation hall has an arched doorway that looks sort of like the arch surrouding the clock in the Image Page 56 - The girl's dress on the McDonogh statue is similar enough to the cuff around the loupe-garoux hand to make a match. The figure on the clock is not merely similar to the boy on that same statue, it is identically posed except for the costume it wears. The "namesakes" fit for Lafayette and gnome (little person) for that same statue. There are at least 21 trees in the park--but the difficulty is finding what might be considered "end to end" and "the middle", since the park is square and the trees are scattered around that square, not in a line anywhere. The bollards along the path have been dug up and replaced since 1980. The casque will not be in one of the flower beds. Nearby is Gallier Hall, and James Gallier is buried in a tomb in St. Louis cemetery #3, which is next to a racetrack (the fairgrounds racetrace: Fair- Ground--also a "namesake" for Fey and Gnome, since the word gnome means "earth creature") and the figure on the clock is dressed as a jockey. The scrollwork present in the cemetery is eerily similar to the clock hand, and there is a distinct 3 on that hand (above JJP's initials.) The animal figure in the bottom of the I. is possibly a horse--hard to tell. Gallier Hall is James Gallier's "namesake" building. It is directly across from Lafayette Square. The only difficulty I've been having is that there seemed to be no "15 rows down to the ground". But I found that today. Just diagonally across from Gallier and Lafayette is Lee Circle --and the monument is circular, at the top of a mound with 15 STEPS DOWN TO THE GROUND at each point of the compass. This presents a bit of difficulty in one way--iLee Circle is a traffic circle and there is almost NO place one might be able to conceal a burial for a casque. Unless one were to maybe dress up like a road-crew worker? (as has been noted in past information). However, if that IS part of the location, then "in the middle of 21 is not in the middle of 21 trees, because there aren't any there at Lee Circle and never have been. I am still researching what 21 might be in that case. - Comparison of a lamppost which bears a reasonable resemblance to a design on the image Page 57 - That clock hand has the artist's initials: JJP the first J is oriented the correct way, the second is backwards, and the P is in the middle. Above that is an anchor. I realize he signed the painting below on the left, but I think this hand is just a "vanity" bit. A red herring. - However, there are four things that stand out about the Fair Grounds that make me believe it could be a location. (1) The words "Fair" and "Grounds" are two synonyms for Fay (Fey) and Gnome. Fey, or Fay, means Fair. Gnome means "ground dweller". Namesakes meeting near the site. (2) The gates scrollwork is, as I've said, similar to that on the clock hand--and there is a jockey statue right in front of the gates. (3) The general shape of that gate post is very much like the clock in the Image. (4) The checkered background on the Image--could be a visual trope for the Checkered Flag that starts and ends races. You might also note that two relatively famous race horses are buried on the infield. And there is a HUGE jazz festival there every year--with musicians who were and are notable at Preservation Hall (as well as other places in NO.) So that is a tie-in also. Not to mention the horse's head in the lower right corner of the Image. Page 58 - Okay, finished dabbling in some Morphy [New Orleans Chess Player) research. He lived at 417 Royal St. across from the courthouse and past Louis and Toulouse streets (if coming from Jackson Square)...reminds me of the stick and mask (Louis Armstrong and the Toulouse styled clothing). I'm compelled to look for Beauregard links, and it was reported that Morphy may have applied to the General's staff and may have been used in some capacity during the Civil War. The home is now the location of Brennan's restaurant. - Thought I'd take a crack at this today. Allowing a rotation of 90 degrees on the image I found some basic shape and name elements to put things into a perspective that might help someone out there. A is the Superdome, which looks similar in both upper and lower images B is a "berm" the lower image and is Behrman Memorial Park in the upper image C is freeway and bridge over the canal D is the Bread Lady of New Orleans which compares closely to the center of the clock's short hand The "jewel" and center of the clock seem to me the most location inspired spot and is associated with the Bread Lady near it's hub and the jockey who is poised to "slam dunk" something off in what would be the southward direction. South of the Bread Lady is Coliseum Square Park. It has an interesting clock gear shaped pattern actually. Page 59 - Although I've focussed on V7 with this image, I think I'd have to go along with the V2 consensus for this part of town because of Camp St and the Sarmiento quote. Grr, there's a trash truck parked right in front of my turquoise. If you interpreted the blue semicircle of the clock as that concrete bed, you could use the moon to locate the gem. Alternatively, you could take just the inner gem and use the clock hand pointing to the middle of it. Heck, it's only small. Just dig it all out. Page 60 - Fountain in Coliseum Square pic. Looks like it might match the clock face and maybe even the weird marks on the outside of the clock face represent benches - I received an email from a friend who visited NO last week, and here's what she had to say about it: Well, New Orleans was a bust. We visited Jackson Square, Lafayette Square, Lee Circle , Armstrong Park, City Park (which is mammoth!!), Harlequin Park and Tourmaline Park without anything really to get us there or keep us there as confirmers go. Lafayette Square is the top contender just a few blocks from the site of the old St. Charles Hotel (the palace), there are three statutes in the park (three stand watch) and Lafayette (Fays' namesake), but that is about it. I will need to do a little more research, but we could not find anything to really solidify a good lead anywhere. City Park is larger than Central Park NY--I don't know what gets you there and once there its so big, what in the picture or verses points you in the right direction??? We did check out Harlequin and Tourmaline Parks because of (In the place where jewels abound) They are parks nestled into streets with jewel names (roughly twenty of them, I think). But these are small, one block size, open green spaces with maybe one small out building, few trees and no markers or statues that abut up to backyards of a residential neighborhood. I can definitively say, these two parks are not the places. Have pictures of things that I'll post later. Beautiful botanical gardens at City park and a cool sculpture garden too---nice day out, just not a lucky day. This makes me believe that perhaps the race track is going to be more important. Not only are the gates reminiscent of the clock hands, but the clock figure reminds me of a jockey, and the space inside the track is the same shape as the mask/stick; the checkered background suggests jockey's silks and racing in general. There are three race horses already buried on the track's infield (3 stand watch). Also, the arrows around the clock face might suggest "going around in a circle ", i.e, racing. There is not a lot of information and photographic research material on the net for this location, but someone one the grounds there might be able to associate something for us. I love Lafayette park as the location--or I did--but it's so small and so empty of other confirmers I'm starting to doubt it's usefulness. The "namesakes" could be "Fair and Grounds" (fay and gnome) for the racetrack. I think this merits further research. I could see the casque being buried near the grandstand (15 rows down to the ground) but what would the "jewels" be and the "21" from end-to-end? Page 61 - Back to the numbers 19 29 90, we are confident 29/90 are lat/long, but the 19? How about the Armstrong Elementary School atg 5909 St. Claude Street (McDonogh #19 school)? We have a lot of Armstrong stuff here...arch, mask, school 19. - Just heard back from Robin Riley, the architect behind the Louis Armstrong arch and park. He's indicated that he's happy to help, and has already made some interesting observations... "The masque held in front of the clock is a Mardi Gras masque—so, maybe there's a connection there. Not many people know I named the arch the "Mardi Gras" arch because floats (caravans with revilers) traveling to the Municipal Auditorium, in the park, would pass through the arch. There is a moon on the clock face. A connection to "Moon" Landrieu, the mayor who initiated the park project?" Page 62 - Morphy's headstone is in St Louis 1...(circled with Mardi Gras arch.) Page 64 - If you go down 15 rows in jackson square/artillery park/cafe du monde/moon walk, there are 21 X's

Page 65 - If you use verse seven to start at DuMonde and walk the mile along the river towards the (now) casino you will get to the boat dock. I strongly believe that the solution was across the street of that spot where 'Liberty Place' used to be. It was a Giant Pole (and although) it was in the middle of a busy street, the greenry of the street island provided exactly one direction to take a giant step from the pole and land on diggable earth. Sadly, the street, the pole, and the street island have been recontrusted or moved since later in the 1980's. I have a well documented trail of photos on the threads here (probably under verse seven) with street views and original obelisk shots. The boat took you to a Mradi Gra factory across the river and there was a large masked sculpture beconing one to board. I'm sure you would be staring at it when you were digging up the casque. - This is my theory for the New Orleans treasure. I dug at where I thought the treasure would be and found nothing even though I went almost four feet down. Looking back I still believe I have the right area I just think I missed the exact spot. I know many people are in agreement that verse 2 belongs to the New Orleans image. When I first saw this it didn't sit right with me. I believe that verse 7 is the key to that image and here is why. Verse 2 seems to fit better with the solution to San Francisco. (I will detail that solution on that thread) The stone wall line in verse 7 either refers to a real stone wall or stone wall Jackson. Following the directions from the stone wall statue in New Orleans I get to city park. It seems more likely that verse 7, with its southern theme, belongs to New Orleans. So from stone walls door, the air smells sweet. At first I thought it meant the bayou right in front of the statue was the sweet smell. After visiting new Orleans I can tell you bayous are anything but sweet smelling So that must reference something not there anymore or the flowers of the cemetary. Not far away high posts are three Education and justice for all to see Sounds from the sky near ace is high One of the most convincing pieces of evidence to me, that this verse belongs to new orleans is that down the street from the statue are the new Orleans police dept and Delgado Community college. They are literally right next to each other. The sounds from the sky line refers to an eagle statue on the corner of canal and city park. Its a memorial to a test pilot jimmy wedell. Plotting those three "posts" takes you to the corner of city park and Marconi/Orleans. Running north but first across. As you can see this lead right into city park and Story land. Many of the visual clues I saw come from story land. The dragon, the boy, the flowers. Then on Anseman ave and Dreyfous dr there is a very big and old flag pole. More coincidence? In Jewels direction is an object of Twain's attention Giant pole...etc This is important because it tells you where to dig. I dug north of the pole right after the side walk. I found no treasure and I have two theories. Either the side walk was shorter in 82 and redone or the object of Twain's attention is not story land and could be the grand Mississippi, which is south. I'm inclined to believe the first because when I tried to take the giant step from the flag pole base, I didn't land on the grass but on the sidewalk. The width of the side walk is very wide. I am not short and the friend I brought with me is even taller so the sidewalk could have been altered. Page 67 - What if the Museum of Art is the place where jewels abound. There are 15 steps(rows) in the foyer. Follow the steps straight out of the museum and continue down the middle of the median on Lelong Drive until the end. You come to two islands of grass at the entrance to City Park. One has the Monteleone Pillars and the other has the Beauregard Equestrian statue. Monteleone Hotel has the similar grandfather clock and Beauregard has ties to Morphy. Also Beauregard's horse is on three legs(only three stand watch). Between the pillars used to be the Allen Generes floral clock, removed in 1983. Standing at the top of the clock at the end of the Lelong median the 12 would be a 21(the middle of twenty-one). The minute hand in the image points just past the 12 directing us to look at the "V". The "V" may be an arrow to show our vantage point. Looking at the pillars and statue together from this position looks like the two middle wooden pillars of the clock with the figure on the hour hand in the center. Dig where you stand. - Gnomes admire/Fays delight/The namesakes meeting/Near this site." I always believed this line had more to it than just the gnomes and fays reference. I think using the first letters, G.A.F.D., we have the namesakes near the site. On Pigeon Island is the Colombier de Carol. It was made for the Dreyfous family. Specifically, George A. and Felix Dreyfous. Or George And Felix Dreyfous. It was refurbished in 2005 so any image 7 references may be lost. I think this island is our site. Page 71 - I stumbled on a coin, which very much resembled the clock face’s 3 hour mark (i.e., III). The III was on the flipside and in the middle of 21 letters (United States of America), and had the O and the mysterious 8 from the clock hands. {image} The coin is the only 3-cent piece minted in the US, and it was minted in New Orleans. So, I looked for the New Orleans Mint (A) and found it to be just down the street from Jackson Square, and it has been since turned into a museum (1981). It was built on the grounds of Fort St. Charles, which was torn down to construct the mint. On the northwest corner of the mint building, on the sidewalk across the street (where Decatur St. meets Esplanade Ave.), there is a pattern of tiles inset in the sidewalk: {image of the word 'Jewelry' on a ceramic tile} This certainly seems like a place where jewels abound – the mint makes money and jewelry is stamped in the sidewalk. So, I look around for something to count. To the left of the jewelry tiles, surrounding the Mint, is a fence. It’s an irregular shape, but the side of the mint pictured has 21 fencing sections. If you walk straight up the sidewalk from the jewelry tiles and count out 21, you will be stopping at the next street corner, where you would find this: {image of sign on building which says 'GNOME'} So, I go back to the middle of the 21 fence sections, look towards the mint, and find: {image} The mint is just adjacent to the Port of New Orleans, Nicholls Wharf. The logo on the wharf is an anchor, just like the top of the clock hand above the mysterious 8. The first steamboat to come into port at New Orleans was the New Orleans. The famous reception of the steamboat to its namesake city occurred on January 10, 1812. Interestingly, on the opposite side of the building, there are 20 trees planted in 5 rows of 4 (3 vertical and 1 horizontal). In the middle of these is the only segment of fencing with 15 rungs around the entire mint. Directly in front of that segment, and in the middle of the 20 trees, are 3 flag poles (however, there is no place to dig): Page 72 - Remember those 21 raised planters (from end to end) along the riverfront in the French Quarter? Many online photos still show them, but here's one in which they appear to have all been razed to the ground. If our casque was indeed in the 11th one (in the middle of 21) and above ground, it's gone now. Or, it could still be there and simply easier to get to! Someone near N.O. ought to go there and dig in planter #11 before this happens: hxxp://www.reinventingthecrescent.org/ . In fact, this project might be why the planters were taken down. Page 73 - Cask 7 NOLA: Gateway to the Americas theory. Recompiling. Line 1, jewels = something or someone precious, abound = great in number Lines 2 and 3 = find tomb No.21 amidst a row of 15 tombs; its roof can be seen from outside the cemetery Lines 4 and 5 = there are just 3 statues along the entire length of Basin street Lines 6 and 7 = in the middle of palm trees, sound = upright, friends = pals (palling), fills = palms (hand) may be filled or empty, afternoon hours = sun's high point = Arecaceae are characterized as sunburst formations atop high stems/trunks Lines 8, 9 and 10 = Sarmiento (S. American), sovereign = individual, palaces = tombs Lines 11 and 12 = looking up to Morazan in recognition of the "gateway" (entrance) to North America Lines 13 and 14 = "AA meeting" symbol resonates with the Morazan seal, representing New Orleans as the Gateway where the Americas (namesakes of Amerigo Vespucci) meet. -- Notes: gnomes are small, admiration may mean "look up at someone"...Morazan is 10 feet tall. Fays delight = synonym for charm or entrance = gateway. Even better, both gnomes and fays admire and delight in gardens and Mayor Chep Morrison's concept is called the "Gardens of the Americas". Here's a short brief on the dedication of the three statues: hxxp://www.neworleanspubliclibrary.org/ ... olivar.htm This verse basically focuses strongly on three points: 1) line of sight on the top of a tomb, 2) standing in the middle of some palm trees, and 3) line of sight on the Morazan seal, matching the St. Louis AA symbol. - I believe if you turn the boy upside down, the dark area that is his pants is a pretty good outline of the New Orleans area. Perhaps someone with better graphic skills than I, can do a side-by-side posting, or even an overlay. https://maps.google.com/maps?q=726+St+P ... 70116&z=11 The "buttocks" side of his pants is the Mississippi River, and the other side is the land outline that borders Lake Pontchartrain. Not sure if it is an exact much, but it appears that it could be close. - the Mardis Gras Fountain, which is located near the streets that are all named for jewels ("At the place where jewels abound"). I came across some photos which are similar to Image 7. They appear to be some type of tiles or posters, representing different years of the Mardis Gras. The 1929 on the clock face made me look for the 1929 poster. Also take a look at a couple of the other pictures. The tiles themselves are arranged, so that there are at least 21 of them (in the middle of 21?). - I've checked out the Mardi Gras Fountain area too mostly because I haven't been able to get past the idea of the jewel street area being the place "where jewels abound." Also, from above, the fountain, taken together with the park across Lakeshore Dr., resembles the rough outline of the mask. I just haven't been able to make any of the other clues match. It looks like there are considerably more than 21 tiles, though we don't know what it looked like pre-renovation. Since the tiles represent Mardi Gras krewes, it's not unreasonable to imagine there might have been krewes named after gnomes or fairies or just mythical creatures in general. That's the best I can do to make another match. Has anyone else been able to find anything that matches this area? - I thought it was already established that the jewel neighborhood was too far north to be a match to the lat/long from the image. Maybe I missed something. Also, the sleeve from the arm holding the mask is a match to the Mississsippi River. Doubt it would be in the image twice. - I fall into the "camp" that BP gave 2 numbers for coordinates to get you to a city, and nothing more. Any "extra" coordinates are those that you have to reach for, to get, such as reversing a 2-digit number. In this image, I would just say 29 and 90 are the coordinates. Reversing the 19 is a bit of a stretch for me. I believe that the 19 is just added to the Image to "hide" the coordinates. For example, in this Image, it makes it look like the coordinates are part of a year - 1929. I posted above a link to the 1929 image at the Mardis Gras fountain which looks strikingly like the shape of the turquoise jewel on the clock in the Image. If that was intentional by BP or JJP, then there is the use of the 1929 year for you. If it was unintentional, then I think the 1929 year is just an attempt to hide the 29. Page 74 - I turned the image upside down and the checkered background is warped alongside the clockface to give what looks like the western Louisiana boundary with Texas. This is confirmed because the 90 on the clock is where New Orleans is in Louisiana. Page 75 - Here's what is believed to be the Mississippi in the sleeve. I'm not sure who mentioned this first but I remember seeing it somewhere in this thread. [url=hxxp://s1312.photobucket.com/user/18deuce18/media/Miss_zps67e55d66.jpg.html?filters[user]=137468122&filters[recent]=1&sort=1&o=0#/user/18deuce18/media/Miss_zps67e55d66.jpg.html?filters%5Buser%5D=137468122&filters%5Brecent%5D=1&sort=1&o=0&_suid=138153045074207902967153796061]hxxp://s1312.photobucket.com/user/18deuce18/media/Miss_zps67e55d66.jpg.html?filters[user]=137468122&filters[recent]=1&sort=1&o=0#/user/18deuce18/media/Miss_zps67e55d66.jpg.html?filters%5Buser%5D=137468122&filters%5Brecent%5D=1&sort=1&o=0&_suid=138153045074207902967153796061[/url] - Well, the middle part matches, but when you move east, one goes concave while the other goes convex. I still think the clock boy's butt and pants are a better match. The reason this is important is because if one is the Mississippi River, then the other may be a clue to something else. Is there any way that anyone can try and do a better job than I, in comparing the clock boy's pants to the river? Page 76 - So, on a hunch about the clock in the lobby of the Hotel Monteleone, I walked over there on my lunch break. There is now absolutely zero doubt that image 7 is 100% New Orleans. Image The shape of the face is dead on, there's a moon/sun that moves under the arch to dictate part of the day (like the moon in P7), and look at that hour hand -- that's a 100% match of the hand on the P7 clock. The clock is too tall for me to know what the two smaller hands in the upper left and right corners (where "19" and "29" reside in P7). One major difference is that the HM clock uses the normal Arabic numerals instead of the Roman numerals in P7. My guess is that the fact that Roman numerals are used instead is significant. Of note: starting at "Preservation" Hall on St. Peters, walking toward Royal St. and taking a right on Royal lands you at the HM in less than 5 minutes. Continue walking down Royal St. and cross Canal St. and Royal St. becomes St. Charles Ave. Continue down St. Charles and once you cross Poydras St. on your left is Lafayette Square, which is right by the old St. Charles Exchange Hotel referenced in V2 (if V2 does connect with P7). Page 77 - "Gnomes admire" Ben Franklin and his advice/quotes about guarding/hording your money, which are on the plaque at his feet... The arm in the Image has that triangle in the sleeve(which matches his sleeve), and the triangle is the break in his jacket... - Any takers? Looking at the building directly to your left as you face the plaque, 'United States of America" (21) with III (doors) right under it... https://www.google.com/maps/place/Lafay ... a4ae9778ff Page 79 - In addition, the boy on the clock's face is not the only Lafayette Square landmark I believe to be depicted in the painting. As Hirudiniforme pointed out, the sleeve on the arm looks like a match for Ben Franklin's sleeve on his statue. Likewise, while the face of the clock matches the one residing in the Hotel Monteleone on Royal Street, the base does not. The base of the clock in the painting is a match for the base of the Henry Clay statue in the Square. That would mean all three major landmark statues in Lafayette Square are represented in the painting, and since those are the only three major permanent fixtures in that particular park, it would explain why image 7 is relatively sparse compared to the other paintings. I have a few other little theories bouncing around in my head, but these are the points of which I am very, very certain. - P102 mentions "La Fayette" (the "French weremole"), and Quakers, or the 'Society of Friends'. There's a Friends meeting house at 1001 Park Avenue in St Louis, not far from its own Lafayette Park. Page 81 - I don't think this is relevant but it is 15 steps down into Jackson Sq if you come from the Riverwalk (a new park) and down past the canon. But it's a small area and easy to see nothing matches in terms of lights, statues, benches. We looked at pretty much everything in the two squares and have been doing all the historic stuff we can, and there's nothing you could even mistake as being relevant.

Unknown: I've noticed that, for whatever reason, many posters are averse to reading an entire thread before posting. This is understandable, but it leads to a lot of retreading, which increases the white noise and makes it hard for real new ground to be broken. I have no intention of being disrespectful to the old guard here on this board. But, this notion of reading through everything that has ever been posted about a particular topic is nonsense. I have been attempting to do just that for the last few weeks and there are hundreds of posts that can ramble on endlessly with little to no value. Sprinkle in the fact that they are filled with dead links to websites and pictures from 12 years ago and you have yourself a serious issue with finding relevant facts about your hunt of interest. That being said, I applaud your attempt to condense the relevant facts and issues. I think many of the other long time posters who enjoy bitching about us new guys should take a page out of your book. If we all work together, which seems to be the common theme here, more of these casques may see daylight again. Rant complete.

Thanks! Hey, is there an easy way to link images pasted direclty into the thread? I tried to copy urls whenever they were presented, but sometimes people go the extra mile and actually put pictures directly in the thread. I know that's probably just an imgur link or something easy to transfer, I just can't figure out how to get it... is it as simple as right click+ copy image address? If this is well-received, I want to do another. But I want to get the picture comparisons in there, too, because those are so striking.

BINGO wrote:: I have no intention of being disrespectful to the old guard here on this board. But, this notion of reading through everything that has ever been posted about a particular topic is nonsense. I have been attempting to do just that for the last few weeks and there are hundreds of posts that can ramble on endlessly with little to no value. Sprinkle in the fact that they are filled with dead links to websites and pictures from 12 years ago and you have yourself a serious issue with finding relevant facts about your hunt of interest. That being said, I applaud your attempt to condense the relevant facts and issues. I think many of the other long time posters who enjoy bitching about us new guys should take a page out of your book. If we all work together, which seems to be the common theme here, more of these casques may see daylight again. Rant complete. The "old guard" system served two purposes in my opinion: 1. It kept all the discussion about a particular image or verse together. Rather than having to look through multiple threads for a particular piece of information you could easily search the relevant thread and find what you were looking for. 2. By asking new posters to do their research by reading through the existing thread it prevented the proliferation of what we are seeing right now - new members who are sure they alone have managed to solve things in just one day of google sleuthing. We see these posters pop up every time this quest gets a bit of publicity (anyone remember the guy that did nothing but post pictures with arrows drawn all over them with no explanation?). In most cases what they propose has been discussed (and in some case dug) for years. We are always excited for new minds working on the puzzle - but seeing the same theories pop up over and over gets tedious.

mindydaile wrote:: The "old guard" system served two purposes in my opinion: 1. It kept all the discussion about a particular image or verse together. Rather than having to look through multiple threads for a particular piece of information you could easily search the relevant thread and find what you were looking for. 2. By asking new posters to do their research by reading through the existing thread it prevented the proliferation of what we are seeing right now - new members who are sure they alone have managed to solve things in just one day of google sleuthing. We see these posters pop up every time this quest gets a bit of publicity (anyone remember the guy that did nothing but post pictures with arrows drawn all over them with no explanation?). In most cases what they propose has been discussed (and in some case dug) for years. We are always excited for new minds working on the puzzle - but seeing the same theories pop up over and over gets tedious. Agreed. I noticed that things have shifted slightly in the past 3 years: Whereas the first ~1/2 of the New Orleans thread was chock full of development, the last 1/2 developed into a slog with regular in-fighting and people who just get a bit too enthusiastic and lay out theory after theory after theory - I have no problem with either but it made the mandatory-thread reading a bit more difficult than it seemed to be for the first 10 years of these boards. For instance, when I read the whole New Orleans thread in 2015, I was riveted. When I reread it in 2018 it was again riveting, for a while, but the last ~50 pages (the new stuff since ~2013) were really difficult to get through. So my goal was to make this process less taxing on both the new posters, and the regulars who are a bit worn thin from new posters who haven't caught up. I kind of remember arrows poster... can anyone link to one of their posts?

Unknown: I kind of remember arrows poster... can anyone link to one of their posts? You're thinking of JUD SUB ROSA (sp?). All of his posts have been erased. I have no idea why, or by whom.

Coolness. Thanks drunknerds. Weird about JUD. Lots of creative energy in that one.

drunknerds wrote:: Whereas the first ~1/2 of the New Orleans thread was chock full of development, the last 1/2 developed into a slog with regular in-fighting and people who just get a bit too enthusiastic and lay out theory after theory after theory - I have no problem with either but it made the mandatory-thread reading a bit more difficult than it seemed to be for the first 10 years of these boards. I want to be clear, because I'm afraid I came off more negative here than I actually feel: I love reading in-fighting and long, kinda weird theories... for fun. It's just when they're part of the mandatory-to-post reading that it becomes a slog

drunknerds wrote:: I want to be clear, because I'm afraid I came off more negative here than I actually feel: I love reading in-fighting and long, kinda weird theories... for fun. It's just when they're part of the mandatory-to-post reading that it becomes a slog What might make sense is to (if possible) reformat the forum. I post on a car related forum, and they have it broken down into models and generations of vehicles. So, when you go to post a thread or read, you first navigate to your model, then generation, for example, Chevy/Camaro/3rd Gen [1982-92]. If a thread is posted that belongs in a different place, the moderators move it. This forum has attempted to do the same, but rather than have sections, it is all general threads. So I picture the following: **Stickies** **Rules** General Questions Images Image 1 Image 2 Image 3 ... Verses Verse 1 Verse 2 Verse 3 ... Combined Image and Verse Image 1 & Verse 7 Image 2 & Verse 6 Image 3 & Verse 11 ... The Story and other text of the book Research info and tools You get the picture. So under each Image/Verse combo, people can post, either the the main stub or start another thread. If it is in the wrong place someone will call that out, and a moderator can move it. It might make things easier to follow. Especially if the main navigational threads cannot be modified and do not fall to the bottom of the pile as people start new threads, as it is arranged now.

Woah. This thread is impressive and helpful. Thank you for taking the time to make it.

gManTexas wrote:: What might make sense is to (if possible) reformat the forum. I post on a car related forum, and they have it broken down into models and generations of vehicles. So, when you go to post a thread or read, you first navigate to your model, then generation, for example, Chevy/Camaro/3rd Gen [1982-92]. If a thread is posted that belongs in a different place, the moderators move it. This forum has attempted to do the same, but rather than have sections, it is all general threads. So I picture the following: **Stickies** **Rules** General Questions Images Image 1 Image 2 Image 3 ... Verses Verse 1 Verse 2 Verse 3 ... Combined Image and Verse Image 1 & Verse 7 Image 2 & Verse 6 Image 3 & Verse 11 ... The Story and other text of the book Research info and tools You get the picture. So under each Image/Verse combo, people can post, either the the main stub or start another thread. If it is in the wrong place someone will call that out, and a moderator can move it. It might make things easier to follow. Especially if the main navigational threads cannot be modified and do not fall to the bottom of the pile as people start new threads, as it is arranged now. This forum is kept the way it is to simulate the message boards Preiss had access to in 1980

Drunknerds, I posted this in the Image 7 thread but thought it more likely that you'd see it here. Was wondering if anyone was aware of this clue as I've done some pretty good research and have never heard anyone talk about it. Which amazes me because it seems so obvious. Have you ever heard of it? Any reason I should ignore it? The time being shown on the clock goes from 9 to 5. I can only imagine this is an extremely obvious clue that we should be in the central business district (CBD) in new orleans. It's a popular area, right next to the french quarter, contains lafayette square park, the super dome, the former location of the st charles hotel from the quote in the verse etc. I can't think of another explanation and I have a hard time believing it's just by chance. Also, anyone from new orleans knows that the term "central business district" is as commonly said as "the french quarter", meaning this isn't by not some obscure reference, but something that anyone from new orleans would be very aware of once they saw the 9 to 5 clue. This would rule out Armstrong Park, City Park, jackson square, lee square etc. I think this is very good evidence that any theory outside the CBD is very likely not it.

roughdraft274 wrote:: Drunknerds, I posted this in the Image 7 thread but thought it more likely that you'd see it here. Was wondering if anyone was aware of this clue as I've done some pretty good research and have never heard anyone talk about it. Which amazes me because it seems so obvious. Have you ever heard of it? Any reason I should ignore it? The time being shown on the clock goes from 9 to 5. I can only imagine this is an extremely obvious clue that we should be in the central business district (CBD) in new orleans. It's a popular area, right next to the french quarter, contains lafayette square park, the super dome, the former location of the st charles hotel from the quote in the verse etc. I can't think of another explanation and I have a hard time believing it's just by chance. Also, anyone from new orleans knows that the term "central business district" is as commonly said as "the french quarter", meaning this isn't by not some obscure reference, but something that anyone from new orleans would be very aware of once they saw the 9 to 5 clue. This would rule out Armstrong Park, City Park, jackson square, lee square etc. I think this is very good evidence that any theory outside the CBD is very likely not it. That's an interesting thought, however I could counter with 9 to 5 = Dolly Parton = Hello Dolly = Louis Armstrong. While I don't think that the casque is in Armstrong Park, some people believe that the mask looks like Armstrong and the casque could be in the park.

gManTexas wrote:: That's an interesting thought, however I could counter with 9 to 5 = Dolly Parton = Hello Dolly = Louis Armstrong. While I don't think that the casque is in Armstrong Park, some people believe that the mask looks like Armstrong and the casque could be in the park. The problem with stages of separation is it could lead to anywhere Examples: 9 to 5 = work = work makes you free = adolph hitler 9 to 5 = dolly parton = dollywood = tennessee it could go anywhere... there would be no way to know you are correct.

burnstyle wrote:: The problem with stages of separation is it could lead to anywhere Examples: 9 to 5 = work = work makes you free = adolph hitler 9 to 5 = dolly parton = dollywood = tennessee it could go anywhere... there would be no way to know you are correct. That was tongue in cheek.

gManTexas wrote:: That was tongue in cheek. True, but it was valid.

burnstyle wrote:: The problem with stages of separation is it could lead to anywhere Examples: 9 to 5 = work = work makes you free = adolph hitler 9 to 5 = dolly parton = dollywood = tennessee it could go anywhere... there would be no way to know you are correct. Fair point, except that I am talking 1 degree of separation, where as others are talking 2 or three degrees of separation. 9 to 5 = central business district = a very distinct link that is well known in the area, on numerous signs in the area and leads you to an area of the city that have lots of links with the picture. 9 to 5 = dolly pardon = dolly wood = tennessee = 3 degrees separated that leads us to an area that no other part of the picture links to. I get the critique, but still find this bit very interesting and convincing. I highly doubt it's a mistake that 9 to 5 is whats on the clock. And if found would be a very good method to whittle down the exact location in a city like new orleans with so many historic areas.

At the risk of sounding stupid, I’ll ask the question. Where do you get 9 to 5 from the clock in image 7? I’m not very familiar with this puzzle and admittedly generally disinterested. But, I’m always willing to learn. Please school me on this subject. Edit: Never mind. I see it now. The Roman numerals on the clock face. Got it.

BINGO wrote:: At the risk of sounding stupid, I’ll ask the question. Where do you get 9 to 5 from the clock in image 7? I’m not very familiar with this puzzle and admittedly generally disinterested. But, I’m always willing to learn. Please school me on this subject. The mask is covering 6, 7 & 8.

gManTexas wrote:: The mask is covering 6, 7 & 8. Thanks. I figured it out and was editing my post when you answered.