And we know the STONES were not buried.

who did he say got all the clues? thats damn near impossible lol.

Unknown: thats damn near impossible Whether you are talking about all the clues for a particular puzzle, the puzzle as a whole, or all the clues that may or may not be part of the puzzle, I'd say you are correct.

Unknown: which puzzles/cities were intended to be the easiest to solve(by design) Yes.

Erpobdelliforme wrote:: Yes.

Fenix wrote:: Do you believe there is a way to KNOW (that is, with complete certainty) which puzzles/cities were intended to be the easiest to solve(by design)....without actually knowing the full solutions for all puzzles? A simple yes or no will suffice. A calendar moves Jan to Dec (order)... A clock moves 1 to 12 (order)... Certainly, there wouldn't/couldn't be an order to solving (CHAOS!!!!)...

Unknown: (CHAOS!!!!)... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3ZOKDmorj0

Fenix wrote:: Do you believe there is a way to KNOW (that is, with complete certainty) which puzzles/cities were intended to be the easiest to solve(by design)....without actually knowing the full solutions for all puzzles? A simple yes or no will suffice. I know the question wasn't directed to me, but I would say no, there is no way to know for sure. However, Chicago "reads" somewhat easily for a Chicago resident. Move forward and backwards through the clues (the Water Tower windmill, the Chicago Bulls logo, and it doesn't seem that difficult to identify the city. The fencepost with halo isn't obscured in the least. The street names in the verse aren't heavily obscured. Compared to what seems to be going on with just trying to figure out any map information in the New Orleans or Montreal puzzles, it seems to be much easier.

Unknown: there is no way to know for sure. Followed by an explanation of how you know, for mostly sure. Look, I know Fenix's question was bullshit, but if you take away the absolutes, it boils down to two simple questions: Are some puzzles easier than others? Is there a way to know which ones these are? The answer to both of these questions, as you have shown, is yes.

Hirudiniforme wrote:: A calendar moves Jan to Dec (order)... A clock moves 1 to 12 (order)... Certainly, there wouldn't/couldn't be an order to solving (CHAOS!!!!)... Sure does sound like your implying January/ 1:00 is meant to be the easiest puzzle, increasing in difficulty to December / 12:00. But then why would Cleveland (March / 3:00) and Chicago (May /5:00) be the two easiest?

Unknown: Unfortunately, without solutions that prove out any theory you may have regarding the progression of difficulty in the puzzles, it is still just a theory. I know this, you know this, and I'm pretty sure 421 knows this too. The real question is do you think BP knew this? A simple yes or no will do.

Erpobdelliforme wrote:: I know this, you know this, and I'm pretty sure 421 knows this too. The real question is do you think BP knew this? A simple yes or no will do. I don't understand your question... are you asking Did BP know how the puzzle he wrote works? If there is a progression he knew it, if there is not a progression he knew it. so the answer to your question is a simple yes, he did and/or did not know.

jayheedan1 wrote:: Sure does sound like your implying January/ 1:00 is meant to be the easiest puzzle, increasing in difficulty to December / 12:00. But then why would Cleveland (March / 3:00) and Chicago (May /5:00) be the two easiest? Not implying that at all. What I am saying is BP clearly used a method of ordering for the puzzles. For instance, the birth stones of months (i.e., a calendar is ordered 1 to 12); and the times on a clock (i.e., 1 to 12). They were not randomly selected things (e.g., there are not 12 random stones). Does this implicate order in the solutions? Certainly the stones and months do not seem to correlate to that.

Is Chicago harder than Cleveland? Is another puzzle harder than Chicago? There is a progressive difficulty if you say, "Yes."

Unknown: are you asking Did BP know how the puzzle he wrote works? You don't understand the question, but you think that's the question I was asking? Seriously? Of course BP knew the puzzle he was designing. The question I asked gets to the implications of knowingly designing a puzzle where the solutions to the easy ones inform the harder ones, but refusing to see it through. Pretty sure Fenix and I have come to a similar conclusion, but I was asking to be sure.

Erpobdelliforme wrote:: You don't understand the question, but you think that's the question I was asking? Seriously? Of course BP knew the puzzle he was designing. The question I asked gets to the implications of knowingly designing a puzzle where the solutions to the easy ones inform the harder ones, but refusing to see it through. Pretty sure Fenix and I have come to a similar conclusion, but I was asking to be sure. well yes seriously thats why I said it didnt make sense. are you saying BP set it up to be solved in a particular way but sometime in constructing the puzzles he changed his methods.

Unknown: are you saying BP set it up to be solved in a particular way Yes, that seems to be the case. A particular, predetermined order with Cleveland first. From the Preface: "You might even be able to determine one of their hiding places without leaving your house..." Sure, if you happen to live at 997 East Boulevard, Cleveland, Ohio. BP gave up Chicago first, because he basically had no choice. But IMO, that was puzzle #2.

Erpobdelliforme wrote:: Followed by an explanation of how you know, for mostly sure. Look, I know Fenix's question was bullshit, but if you take away the absolutes, it boils down to two simple questions: Are some puzzles easier than others? Is there a way to know which ones these are? The answer to both of these questions, as you have shown, is yes. If someone was asking about the New York Times crossword puzzles, and if they have some kind of ascending difficulty, then I could answer that they generally get harder from Monday through Saturday, because Will Shortz has said that they are ordered that way, and the crossword fans are in agreement that this ordering is true, based on solve times, etc. The Secret's set of puzzles is still mostly unsolved. I don't think I could answer the second question without more data, in the form of solved (or nearly solved) puzzles, even if some of the casques are destroyed or irretrievable.

While we're talking about all this, are there any other fans of the old Games magazine here? Some of the details and methods in the puzzles remind me quite strongly of the magazine as it was in the 1980's.

Kalessin wrote:: While we're talking about all this, are there any other fans of the old Games magazine here? Some of the details and methods in the puzzles remind me quite strongly of the magazine as it was in the 1980's. I subscribed for the first couple years then it all got to be repeats.

i just figured out how to definitively identify exactly where to dig if its at trav's spot in nola, or alternatively it will confirm my spot as correct, and will use visual confirmer to discern exact dig spot...its only a matter of time now... this leaves only boston...

Kalessin wrote:: If someone was asking about the New York Times crossword puzzles, and if they have some kind of ascending difficulty, then I could answer that they generally get harder from Monday through Saturday, because Will Shortz has said that they are ordered that way, and the crossword fans are in agreement that this ordering is true, based on solve times, etc. The Secret's set of puzzles is still mostly unsolved. I don't think I could answer the second question without more data, in the form of solved (or nearly solved) puzzles, even if some of the casques are destroyed or irretrievable. i could

id say as far as the treasure hunt goes, they are now mostly complete...

JoshCornell wrote:: id say as far as the treasure hunt goes, they are now mostly complete... Are they really? Where are photos of dug up casques other than the ones from Chicago and Cleveland?

Unknown: Where are photos of dug up casques There's that. But right now, I'd settle for a logical explanation of how he knows that he's digging in the correct parks. From Josh, or anyone else who cares to weigh in on Step #3.

Erpobdelliforme wrote:: There's that. But right now, I'd settle for a logical explanation of how he knows that he's digging in the correct parks. From Josh, or anyone else who cares to weigh in on Step #3. I would love that too, but, Unfortunately the only way you are going to find that explanation is dig up more casques to extrapolate from. Because reguardless of how brilliant you think your theory is, it is suspect unless it leads to a casque.

Unknown: Unfortunately the only way you are going to find that explanation is dig up more casques to extrapolate from. Unknown: Because reguardless of how brilliant you think your theory is... Unknown: it is suspect unless it leads to a casque. Sounds like the very definition of a progressive puzzle Matt. The theories being discussed here and now pertain for the most part to Steps 1 and 2. They are hard, but hardly brilliant. Just a way to KNOW. In this case, it led to Montreal (among other things). I'd say that's something, even if we still aren't sure where in Montreal the casque was buried. But be careful about stressing the overall importance of Step 5 for Puzzle #3. The implications are not pleasant to consider.

burnstyle wrote:: From what I understand there were a couple of casques made that weren't buried. The one in the book was painted by Jo-Ellen... I think she said that anyway.... I'm told that eventually Byron took it. but I have no idea if that is accurate. *edit* Interesting! Thanks Burnstyle.

WhiteRabbit wrote:: *edit* Interesting! Thanks Burnstyle. I agree.. Interesting! Thank you, Burnstyle!

ive made some crazy progress over the last few weeks...including figuring out exactly what to do to get to the dig spot. i thought i was one step off from last time, but i was actually two steps off. we are very close to absolute confirmation in NOLA. and know where it is in st aug too. nyc roanoke charleston and mw were already complete...and im pretty sure i have boston right, but i might have last step backwards.

Fenix wrote:: Do you believe there is a way to KNOW (that is, with complete certainty) which puzzles/cities were intended to be the easiest to solve(by design)....without actually knowing the full solutions for all puzzles? A simple yes or no will suffice. Yes there has to be a way to indicate which one is the easiest, and NO without knowing the solutions there's no way, meaning you don't even understand what it's about.

Spiritr wrote:: Yes there has to be a way to indicate which one is the easiest, and NO without knowing the solutions there's no way, meaning you don't even understand what it's about. Find a casque and prove you know 'what it's about'. Until then, stop with the arrogance.

Unknown: Find a casque and prove you know 'what it's about'. I'm going to start calling this the Step 5 Fallacy. Historically, it represents the single biggest roadblock to making progress on the puzzle. IMO of course.

Erpobdelliforme wrote:: I'm going to start calling this the Step 5 Fallacy. Historically, it represents the single biggest roadblock to making progress on the puzzle. IMO of course. Agreed. Finding a casque doesnt necessary mean that the finder 'knows' what it's about.....but, Preiss isn't alive to confirm or refute possible solutions or interpretations for the remaining images / verses. That's what allows the pomposity and arrogance to flow freely, continuously. (Not that he would confirm anything, if he were still alive....he didn't, when he actually was alive, for the two casque that were found.)

Unknown: Finding a casque doesnt necessary mean that the finder 'knows' what it's about.... Unless we are talking about someone who stumbles upon one accidentally, that's exactly what it means in 2018. If you don't understand how the puzzle works, and you aren't working with someone who does, you are not digging one of these up. Preiss made sure of that. Solving for Step 5 is the ultimate proof of concept. But it's not the only way to show that you know what you are talking about. And to suggest that it is gets to the heart of the Step 5 Fallacy.

Erpobdelliforme wrote:: Unless we are talking about someone who stumbles upon one accidentally, that's exactly what it means in 2018. If you don't understand how the puzzle works, and you aren't working with someone who does, you are not digging one of these up. Preiss made sure of that. Solving for Step 5 is the ultimate proof of concept. But it's not the only way to show that you know what you are talking about. And to suggest that it is gets to the heart of the Step 5 Fallacy. And, Preiss isn't alive to confirm or refute the pomposity of those who 'know'.

Unknown: And, Preiss isn't alive to confirm or refute the pomposity of those who 'know'. As you said, he didn't even do this when he was alive. Good thing for us he created a puzzle with built-in way-markers (what Spiritr is calling patterns). Otherwise we'd all be screwed. (12-X)^2

This may have be said before so please excuse if it has. Image 2. Does anyone have a theory on why the gem does not match the birth month. The gem looks to me to be zircon.

what are you using to discern this? seems like a blue diamond to me. this did however make me look at it closer, and there is clearly a 15 or 75 in there.

it's indeed a diamond, no need to look close, it's the only stone that has "cuts"

JoshCornell wrote:: what are you using to discern this? seems like a blue diamond to me. this did however make me look at it closer, and there is clearly a 15 or 75 in there. April birthstone is a white diamond. Just wondering what was theory about it not being the traditional birthstone like the others. Did not ask about the numbers inside.

honestly never heard of a white diamond before..like translucent you mean? the birthstone is diamond...the fact its blue is probably another clue entirely...

Blue diamond is a very rare and expensive gemstone. If the paintings are of the actual gems, then wow.

Or maybe the diamond was just reflecting back a blue color of its surrounding/studio lighting or JJP artistic license that the blue aura color looked better in the composition of the painting allowing to illustrate the cuts and facets better than clear or white color would show.

jayheedan1 wrote:: Or maybe the diamond was just reflecting back a blue color of its surrounding/studio lighting or JJP artistic license that the blue aura color looked better in the composition of the painting allowing to illustrate the cuts and facets better than clear or white color would show. I agree, Jay. Weren't the jewels supposedly liquidated? If that's the case, the new publishing company isn't going to buy a new one until someone hands them a key.

I believe the actual jewels are in the hands of the new publisher and was stated the hunt is still on be solutions alone would not be enough. An actual casque and key would have to be submitted because they don’t have the solutions to confirm a location. I wonder if BPs family ended up with the photos of the solutions BP kept on hand. He referenced having to check the photos a few times, since it had been so long since he buried them in various emails he replied to others.

jayheedan1 wrote:: I believe the actual jewels are in the hands of the new publisher and was stated the hunt is still on be solutions alone would not be enough. An actual casque and key would have to be submitted because they don’t have the solutions to confirm a location. I wonder if BPs family ended up with the photos of the solutions BP kept on hand. He referenced having to check the photos a few times, since it had been so long since he buried them in various emails he replied to others. Well no - The family has the jewels and there are enough people who are friendly with and communicate frequently to BP's wife that if a casque was found, the Jewel would be awarded. Although the "New" publisher would love to be involved in that transaction, and get the casque key... and Nobody (and not like they didn't try to find them) have every found the solutions, BP " Kept on hand"

my4sonz wrote:: Even though I have read this before, I just wanted to let everyone know it is still current. I emailed the company, ibooks, that reissued The Secret. According to John Colby from Brick Tower press, the jewels are still attainable. The only issue is that now you would have to physically show them the casque due to the fact that they have now idea where they are hidden. Sorry if this seems redundant, just thought it was fun to hear verified again. Thanks for those details MaltedFalcon, I was referencing this thread (above), I took it as the new publisher had them but they could have just been saying yet they are still available (just not from them). Easy for these little details get lost when the original emails don’t get posted and the “telephone” game takes hold.

jayheedan1 wrote:: Thanks for those details MaltedFalcon, I was referencing this thread (above), I took it as the new publisher had them but they could have just been saying yet they are still available (just not from them). Easy for these little details get lost when the original emails don’t get posted and the “telephone” game takes hold. He said he would honor the puzzle and hand out the gems....but, he didn't indicate that they were the original gems. Various interviews indicated that Sandi* said that she had the original gems. *Sorry to Ms. Mendelson for informal use of her first name, as if I know her...

anyone know if theres a way/method to value these Gems?

Spiritr wrote:: anyone know if theres a way/method to value these Gems? Easy. Find a casque and exchange the key for the associated gem. Then have the gem appraised.

No need - got it covered, the first page says... A quest for twelve treasures: over ten thousand dollars in precious jewels.

yes I know that, I'm not asking how much it worth, I'm asking how do we know which one worth more. so you're saying the ONLY way is to find all of them and get it appraise? No, I don't think so, that's why I'm trying to find out Does Edgert ever talked about the weight of the sapphire he got? How did the groups of Chicago know the emerald worth $1200 before they even receive it? Anyone know or have read anything regarding how much that emerald weight?

Spiritr wrote:: yes I know that, I'm not asking how much it worth, I'm asking how do we know which one worth more. so you're saying the ONLY way is to find all of them and get it appraise? No, I don't think so, that's why I'm trying to find out Does Edgert ever talked about the weight of the sapphire he got? How did the groups of Chicago know the emerald worth $1200 before they even receive it? Anyone know or have read anything regarding how much that emerald weight? Gem characteristics (cost per carat, cut, quality (clarity, color, etc.) would guide the prices. There are also relative values, such as garnet and amethyst being cheap versus sapphire and diamond. I wonder if BP kept his receipts from the jewel purchases? One big difference between Masquerade and The Secret is that Masquerade's prize was intricate artistic jewelry, and The Secret offered only unmounted stones and fancier (though perhaps not terribly durable) boxes. Which is why I love the fairy mount that was made for the sapphire that Egbert had made. When talking about the high-value jewels being the prizes for harder puzzles, BP might have meant that the precious stone puzzles (sapphire, diamond, emerald, ruby) would be harder than those with semi-precious stones. Or he could have just come up with a throwaway line on the spot and there's no big difference. Without complete solutions and more retrieved casques, who knows?

Kalessin wrote:: Gem characteristics (cost per carat, cut, quality (clarity, color, etc.) would guide the prices. There are also relative values, such as garnet and amethyst being cheap versus sapphire and diamond. I wonder if BP kept his receipts from the jewel purchases? One big difference between Masquerade and The Secret is that Masquerade's prize was intricate artistic jewelry, and The Secret offered only unmounted stones and fancier (though perhaps not terribly durable) boxes. Which is why I love the fairy mount that was made for the sapphire that Egbert had made. When talking about the high-value jewels being the prizes for harder puzzles, BP might have meant that the precious stone puzzles (sapphire, diamond, emerald, ruby) would be harder than those with semi-precious stones. Or he could have just come up with a throwaway line on the spot and there's no big difference. Without complete solutions and more retrieved casques, who knows? Brilliant answer, brilliant interpretation!!!!!!!! oh man why didn't I thought of that! I wanna give you a huge for real, that right there delighted my entire boring afternoon. This is how the 7 and 5 connects! Brilliant!

Goldengate wrote:: I've forgotten if Egbert posted those stats (something you may be able to find if you use the handy search bar above)... but he did post a pic of the jewel in the setting he had made for wife... which seeing as she let him go to Cleveland for a weekend to dig holes with Andy, seems like the perfect gift for a patient and understanding spouse! thank you for the picture, I figured asking would be the most cost effective way to get the answer, and I was right LOL. I was expecting a star sapphire in the image, now I see how tiny it is I hope Andy doesn't have to wait too long for it to be dismount

Spiritr wrote:: Brilliant answer, brilliant interpretation!!!!!!!! oh man why didn't I thought of that! I wanna give you a huge for real, that right there delighted my entire boring afternoon. Sorry, perhaps I was being a bit chatty. Did BP write down a scale of relative preciousness from amethyst or garnet up to diamond? And to go with it, a list of increasing difficulty (in his opinion, of course) of the puzzles? I don't think it's possible to know. Was BP being conversational and vague or literal and precise when he talked about the value of the jewels and the difficulty of the puzzles? I don't think it's possible to know. For my own part, it doesn't matter. To me, New York seems to be the hardest puzzle, and its jewel is a topaz, which is usually considered less precious than diamond, ruby, sapphire and emerald, the four stones usually quoted as the most precious. To me, Chicago, with its emerald, seems slightly easier than Cleveland with its (intended) aquamarine, and what does that mean?

Kalessin wrote:: Did BP write down a scale of relative preciousness from amethyst or garnet up to diamond? And to go with it, a list of increasing difficulty (in his opinion, of course) of the puzzles? I don't think it's possible to know. Was BP being conversational and vague or literal and precise when he talked about the value of the jewels and the difficulty of the puzzles? I don't think it's possible to know. For my own part, it doesn't matter. To me, New York seems to be the hardest puzzle, and its jewel is a topaz, which is usually considered less precious than diamond, ruby, sapphire and emerald, the four stones usually quoted as the most precious. To me, Chicago, with its emerald, seems slightly easier than Cleveland with its (intended) aquamarine, and what does that mean? Yes, and that was what I had in mind before your last comment, because if I'm BP and I am building this puzzle, to add a set difficulty on a scale of 1-12, meaning I would have to embed at least 192 more plots into the system. And there could be a fairness issues as well. So to balance things out, a 7/5 system was used, we can see that in the book. Well, maybe just me for now. But in order to complete this 2x12x12 system, it MUST have a / at the end otherwise it won't work, I know I am starting to confuse a lot of people at this point already. I could be wrong, seeing things, again, just skip me if you don't understand. Yes, this is why it doesn't really matters anymore. Otherwise we would know exactly which one is harder which one is not already. The bug of this system/puzzle is 1982. But I was just hoping maybe if we could decode the system, we could see it slightly better, who knows right?

Spiritr wrote:: Yes, and that was what I had in mind before your last comment, because if I'm BP and I am building this puzzle, to add a set difficulty on a scale of 1-12, meaning I would have to embed at least 192 more plots into the system. And there could be a fairness issues as well. So to balance things out, a 7/5 system was used, we can see that in the book. Well, maybe just me for now. But in order to complete this 2x12x12 system, it MUST have a / at the end otherwise it won't work, I know I am starting to confuse a lot of people at this point already. I could be wrong, seeing things, again, just skip me if you don't understand. Yes, this is why it doesn't really matters anymore. Otherwise we would know exactly which one is harder which one is not already. The bug of this system/puzzle is 1982. But I was just hoping maybe if we could decode the system, we could see it slightly better, who knows right? I'll have to admit to being confused, because I'm not sure what you're getting at. What do you mean when you say 192 plots would have to be embedded in the system to add a set difficulty on a scale of 1-12? What is a 7/5 system, or the system of 7 and 5 that you see, and how can we see it was used in the book? What 2x12x12 system do you mean, and why must it have a / (slash?) at the end or it won't work?

yea, now I regret making such statements now.... I don't know how to explain it, I don't know where should I start, or how should I start so I'll just answer what you asked: a 2 part puzzle of 12 images x 12 verses, of 12 Jewels x 12 Time/Months, min. of 1 clue + 1 identifier per pair, min. of 1 confirmer reinforcing pair per pair. assuming that's the basic structure, if anybody familiar or simply know how to play sudoku would understand what I'm talking about. If the game goes something like 123456, in order for it to be a complete game without bug or lag, a parallel 654321 is needed in order to end it with a reward. But the tricky part was not to end it, but by leaving the sum=1. (or the smallest odd number possible) a 7/5 system is 2 groups/part of which adds up to get back our initial number 12. Again, Math, by this time if the steps keep going x2 or /2, the game will end up in over a thousand ways to win, so, the best way to reduce the complexities would be NOT + a set into what's already there, but to separates the 2 biggest odd numbers(7,5) and embed/silhouette it at the beginning, start with something like 1x3x5 that goes along with 2x12+1 so the whole time it'll seems like it's all even numbers but until you get to the 8th level or so, things start falling apart yet still holding up well, because it's just a layer (1of2) and not another added elements, so at the end after the final 2(key+cask), we get the jewel(sum=1). try to think deeper and further back and picked up what's been missing all these years and you'll know what I'm talking about. That all for now. that / means divided I JUST did a research of what it's called, the Mathematical term is Golden rectangles of either side/area ratio of the Golden Ratio . that's the most simple explanation I could come up with right now.

Spiritr wrote:: yea, now I regret making such statements now.... I don't know how to explain it, I don't know where should I start, or how should I start so I'll just answer what you asked: a 2 part puzzle of 12 images x 12 verses, of 12 Jewels x 12 Time/Months, min. of 1 clue + 1 identifier per pair, min. of 1 confirmer reinforcing pair per pair. assuming that's the basic structure, if anybody familiar or simply know how to play sudoku would understand what I'm talking about. If the game goes something like 123456, in order for it to be a complete game without bug or lag, a parallel 654321 is needed in order to end it with a reward. But the tricky part was not to end it, but by leaving the sum=1. (or the smallest odd number possible) a 7/5 system is 2 groups/part of which adds up to get back our initial number 12. Again, Math, by this time if the steps keep going x2 or /2, the game will end up in over a thousand ways to win, so, the best way to reduce the complexities would be NOT + a set into what's already there, but to separates the 2 biggest odd numbers(7,5) and embed/silhouette it at the beginning, start with something like 1x3x5 that goes along with 2x12+1 so the whole time it'll seems like it's all even numbers but until you get to the 8th level or so, things start falling apart yet still holding up well, because it's just a layer (1of2) and not another added elements, so at the end after the final 2(key+cask), we get the jewel(sum=1). try to think deeper and further back and picked up what's been missing all these years and you'll know what I'm talking about. That all for now. that / means divided I JUST did a research of what it's called, the Mathematical term is Golden rectangles of either side/area ratio of the Golden Ratio . that's the most simple explanation I could come up with right now. Ghost OG

I'm afraid to say I still can't follow what you're describing, Spiritr. Personally, I don't think there's a deeper mathematical framework behind the puzzles, especially not in the "Numb3rs", sudoku, find random sorts of mathy things with internet searches sort of method. Lots of pencil-solvable puzzles use systems of 12 (months, hours, zodiac, sections around a circle, etc) without having a deeper system. Absolutely there's a chance that there may be some cross-puzzle clues, but I'm very skeptical based on what I've found so far. The puzzles appear to me to be self-contained, use some common methods for clues (especially wordplay, disguises of objects, and re-ordering of lines in the verses), and not every puzzle contains every type of clue.

I'll say this one last time, and I will not talked about it anymore. You can NOT beat this game unless you know the rules and fully understand the system You will have MUCH MORE fun after knowing everything, of what I've discovered, we played it totally wrong, we made a disaster out of it. The way it's supposed to be played is you have 12 images on one hand 12 verses on the other, because you knew about the system, all it's left is look at it like a checklist, you KNOW EXACTLY what to look for, you DON'T NEED to stare at a image all day and still don't know what it mean, it's EASY! The hard part is to get out and dig! To me, it's like EVERYBODY who's on this hunt all start running before they could even walk. I completely understand what BP feels when people approach him regarding the puzzle now, it's like you people don't even know the basics rules and already coming up with all these questions, how do you expect him to answer? Meaning even if he answered and explains to you, you wouldn't even understand! So it's not about him wasting time entertaining people, imagine you are BP and I call you and ask " Hey, I'm in Disneyland already and I knew I'm in the right spot, can you give me any hints on the end of 10x13? I already pasted the seated Lion King statue." What will you say to me? You really wanted to hang up but you don't want to hurt my feelings what would you do? So if there's a way WE could ALL LEARN TOGETHER, yet nobody actually seems interested in it? Besides asking me SPECIFIC questions and if my answer weren't what's expected I'll be called crazy with have a nice day. And Good Luck. How would it makes me feel? I discovered something so significant that I wanted to share and I got rejected. I claimed knowing the system I DO NOT know where these things are! The final challenge is unknown until you actually get there and start killing your brain cells to solve the final catch. That's how it should be played. And at this point after Cleveland, what's next? Do anyone know which one is easiest now? And I'll conclude it by throwing it out NY and SF is meant to be solve TOGETHER! This is the ONLY WAY! Call Palencar to confirm if you want, and mark my words!

Where is Seabass when we need him?

Spiritr wrote:: I'll conclude it by throwing it out NY and SF is meant to be solve TOGETHER! This is the ONLY WAY! Call Palencar to confirm if you want, and mark my words! Then say and try to explain what you mean. I know you tried with a bunch of math that probably lost most. (no disrespect) But specifically this statement, why make this sort of statement and not back it up with a thorough explanation? What is it that leads you to so strongly believe that, Spiritr?

Spiritr wrote:: I'll conclude it by throwing it out NY and SF is meant to be solve TOGETHER! This is the ONLY WAY! Call Palencar to confirm if you want, and mark my words! You can NOT beat this game unless you know the rules One of the big rules is don't bother the people who said don't bother me. Sometimes I wonder if you are paying attention to this hunt. JJ Palencar has specifially asked that he not be contacted and has stated many times in the past he has nothing to say on the locations or methods.

no need to explain, if those math are difficult to you, there's no way you'll understand the very first layer, and there are 7 layers, 4 of them being Math, unless I'm a college professor which I'm not. I don't want to talk about it because no one will believe me. I'm excited at one point but very disappointed. The bug, the failure in design, was how BP balance it out, it's Too extreme. He make sure at least 7 groups of average thinking people can enjoy this hunt. BTW, by saying that, this whole game really can be done all at home, even in 1980 ( yea, it's that simple) it's a wheelchair treasure hunt to begin with. Even for the hardest final piece. *Confusing content removed* G irl+ 3 Clef I'll end it right here,

maltedfalcon wrote:: One of the big rules is don't bother the people who said don't bother me. Sometimes I wonder if you are paying attention to this hunt. JJ Palencar has specifially asked that he not be contacted and has stated many times in the past he has nothing to say on the locations or methods. I definitely won't, but if this gets to the end, JJP would be the ONLY person on this planet to confirm. But you are right, I shouldn't say that , I apologize.

Spiritr wrote:: h, unless I'm a college professor which I'm not. I don't want to talk about it because no one will believe me. I am, I teach Information Technology and Descrete Structure Mathematics, which includes cryptography and I try very hard to get what you are talking about but, I don't see it.

maltedfalcon wrote:: I am, I teach Information Technology and Descrete Structure Mathematics, which includes cryptography and I try very hard to get what you are talking about but, I don't see it. AH, I see , I forgot to say replace those numbers with the scale......that's where I got you lost...right, that's really confusing. I've removed it. No more confusion.

Spiritr wrote:: I definitely won't, but if this gets to the end, JJP would be the ONLY person on this planet to confirm. But you are right, I shouldn't say that , I apologize. thats not necessarily the case at all...

JoshCornell wrote:: thats not necessarily the case at all... Oh that's right, Josh, you are scheduled to dig up the SF casque this week, How is that going?

Unknown: How is that going? Unknown: Maltedfalcon wrote: Sure it means I "used to" believe it resolved to a tiny specific area, Now I believe it resolves to a vague, sort of general, over there, spot... Probably about like this: Digging is hard, man.

Erpobdelliforme wrote:: Probably about like this: Digging is hard, man. Harder without a permit, though.

they arent giving out ANY permits till september

what do you mean? i did and thats what they said, thats how i know...

already went to stern grove, wont be able to catch the concert, unfortunately.

Erpobdelliforme wrote:: Probably about like this: Digging is hard, man. Dart, meet map. Er, wall-sized map. Er, globe.

Unknown: Er, globe. Fortunately for us, Preiss limited the scope of the hunt to North America. So not the whole world, just our little corner of it. All 9.5 million square miles of it.

Erpobdelliforme wrote:: Fortunately for us, Preiss limited the scope of the hunt to North America. So not the whole world, just our little corner of it. All 9.5 million square miles of it. Yeah, but this is how it feels, sometimes.

Guardian wrote:: Yeah, but this is how it feels, sometimes. My dart hit Lake Park golf course in Des Plaines, Illinois.

LOL!!!

burnstyle wrote:: From what I understand there were a couple of casques made that weren't buried. The one in the book was painted by Jo-Ellen... I think she said that anyway.... I'm told that eventually Byron took it. but I have no idea if that is accurate. Just noticed this pic in the 1982 article for the St Louis Post-Dispatch...perhaps this is it.