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The forum discussions revolve around deciphering clues related to a treasure hunt possibly involving Mark Twain and various landmarks in a park. Users like drunknerds, burnstyle, gManTexas, Hirudiniforme, and JoshCornell share their interpretations of clues and landmarks. There is a debate about the accuracy of interpretations, the significance of specific clues, and the level of precision required in solving the puzzle. Some users suggest exploring new ideas and locations, while others emphasize the importance of thorough research and interpretation of clues. The discussions also touch on the changing landscape affecting the treasure hunt, the author's intentions, and the enjoyment and challenges of collaborative problem-solving. Overall, users are engaged in analyzing and comparing different clues, sharing theories, and working together to crack the mystery presented in the puzzle.

drunknerds

I kind of like the door match. I put a side by side comparison here, so readers don't have to play around with the satellite: https://i.imgur.com/NP0SxiN.jpg Not a great match (why would JJP make the colors alternate at the top, but not the sides). Still, I like it more than the shakespeare's garden window match


drunknerds

"directly behind 423 carl is UC SAN FRAN CAMPUS, and back a little further right behind the towers is a JUVENILE DETENTION CENTER and COURTHOUSE." I assume this matches "education and justice for all to see." Correct me if I'm wrong. One small note, back when the book was written UCSF was Toland Medical College but that's still a college so it fits.


drunknerds

"next you want to head past the botanical gardens, along crossover driver to the PRAYERBOOK CROSS. " Running north but first across. Checks out. You do have to go West a bit before hitting north, so across works two ways. Not good ways, but Preiss' didn't make good puzzles, lol


burnstyle

Ok here's my problem. The puzzles that have been solved do not have things that sort of work. They don't leave room for guessing. They are exact. Go this way, find this exact thing, go that way, find this other exact thing. And the visual clues are never close. They are exact matches. That horse in chicago, that wasn't close... It was exact. So was the fencepost. So was the flower bed in cleveland, the towers, the maps, they aren't close. They leave no wiggle room, no guessing.


drunknerds

The lady on image 10 kind of resembles the cross. It would be a crazy good match if her robe were inverted so the left part of the cross slopes at a much lower degree than the right one: Here I juxtaposed them: https://imgur.com/glXSF0L


drunknerds

burnstyle wrote:: Ok here's my problem. The puzzles that have been solved do not have things that sort of work. They don't leave room for guessing. They are exact. Go this way, find this exact thing, go that way, find this other exact thing. And the visual clues are never close. They are exact matches. That horse in chicago, that wasn't close... It was exact. So was the fencepost. So was the flower bed in cleveland, the towers, the maps, they aren't close. They leave no wiggle room, no guessing. You're not wrong and make a good point. Problem is... if there were more exact matches wouldn't we have found them by now? Could it be that the two solved puzzles were easier because there is an exact match, and the reason we haven't found anything else is because, for some reason, the painted landmarks don't exactly match Preiss' Polaroids? Also, love the podcast.


drunknerds

JoshCornell wrote:: what isn't exact? the arms of the woman represent crossover drive....this is exact, and from this location, the mark twain clue points you to the right spot. therefore it is absolutely correct. Wait... her having arms that are crossed over is the opposite of exact. There are crosses all over everywhere. It's a decent match, and I'm having fun following along, but it's a moderately okay wordplay association at best. Again, I'm liking this solution and am having fun puzzling this out, but give other people a bit more credit. Most veterans on these boards have been studying the two solves and playing with satellite images for over a decade. It's only going to take one full solve to get you into the Puzzle Hall of Fame. While this is an important, if non-existant, distinction, I wouldn't sweat every little detail being scrutinized. That's half the fun!


burnstyle

Thank you. I think we have a lot of exact matches in most of the paintings. It really seems like something... Maybe just one thing, in each verse has been changed over the years and that one thing is throwing everyone off. Take Milwaukee. Its pretty settled until you get to the young birch. We know there was a birch around there somewhere... We know it was removed... But until we know where it was we are stuck. There's a step in just about all of the verses that is like that.


burnstyle

Talk grass and green picket fence in st aug is another perfect example. Those fences have been moved around so much, God only knows which one he is talking about.


drunknerds

burnstyle wrote:: Thank you. I think we have a lot of exact matches in most of the paintings. It really seems like something... Maybe just one thing, in each verse has been changed over the years and that one thing is throwing everyone off. Take Milwaukee. Its pretty settled until you get to the young birch. We know there was a birch around there somewhere... We know it was removed... But until we know where it was we are stuck. There's a step in just about all of the verses that is like that. That is true. Which is the fun part of the Internet... there's always a chance more historical photos could show something no longer here.


drunknerds

JoshCornell wrote:: the hard part is breaking the clues that require investigation and research...ie the mark twain and namesake clues...I had to do research to figure those out...same goes for the pirate clue in Charelston...you CANNOT break the clue without extra research....these clues narrow down the search significantly, which is why they are so hard to break. It's always exciting to come across something new, there's so much literature out there. Keep in mind, however, that most devoted solvers do a ton of research. For me, that's most of the fun: Playing around with satellites then learning about a park's history then learning about Mark Twain... it's a fun way to exercise the brain. I started reading about Twain just to solve your riddle and I've gotten distracted delving into his fascinating life, even though it's like the tenth time I've read his bio. One issue is that, "an object of Twain's attention," is so vague, it's easy to fit tons of landmarks in there. This is where previous well-researched solves fizzle out. I can't tell you how many times I've heard someone say "Mark Twain means marking a safe depth for riverboats, so it's obviously Stow Lake boathouse," lol.


drunknerds

Here's something I was always confused by, why is the giant pole even mentioned if we've found the cross, or any of the other landmarks by any of the other proposed solves? Once we find the object of Twain's attention, we take a giant step towards it because it's "in jewel's direction" then dig. Why talk about a pole? Trying super hard to not make a tasteless joke here. Also, if I still lived in SF I'd probably stand at the cross and take a giant step towards Rainbow Falls, because it's literally the only thing nearby. Plus her hair part kind of looks like the falls, especially if you know they are fed by a narrow stream: https://imgur.com/Uj77njH


gManTexas

drunknerds wrote:: Here's something I was always confused by, why is the giant pole even mentioned if we've found the cross, or any of the other landmarks by any of the other proposed solves? Once we find the object of Twain's attention, we take a giant step towards it because it's "in jewel's direction" then dig. Why talk about a pole? Trying super hard to not make a tasteless joke here. Also, if I still lived in SF I'd probably stand at the cross and take a giant step towards Rainbow Falls, because it's literally the only thing nearby. Plus her hair part kind of looks like the falls, especially if you know they are fed by a narrow stream: https://imgur.com/Uj77njH "Mark twain!" Depth sounding of 12 feet perhaps?


burnstyle

drunknerds wrote:: I can't tell you how many times I've heard someone say "Mark Twain means marking a safe depth for riverboats, so it's obviously Stow Lake boathouse," lol. gManTexas wrote:: "Mark twain!" Depth sounding of 12 feet perhaps? Lol


drunknerds

JoshCornell wrote:: there is one thing...something in the park...that is only temporary...leads me to believe...that the treasure may have actually been found...however...we'll leave that to when you guys figure out Mark Twain...one step at a time Is it any of these? - Twain did make at least one trip to Cliff House, which is just a few blocks away. Twain wrote about his visit in "Early Rising, As Regards Excursions to the Cliff House," which was published in The Golden Era magazine in 1864. - Mark Twain also wrote a little-remembered book about William Shakespeare. The "object of Twain's attention" could therefore be the same Garden of Shakespeare's Flowers that is mentioned above. - The "object of Twain's attention" could also be the side-wheel paddle steamboat Eureka, which is part of the San Francisco Maritime National Historical Park at Hyde Pier. - The "object of Twain's attention" could also refer to Fulton Street, alongside the Golden Gate Park on its north side. Fulton was an engineer credited for the first commercially successful steamboat. Twain was vice-president of the Fulton Monument Association, whose purpose was to build a Robert Fulton monument in NYC. - Another possible object - Golden Gate Park has an additional piece going east called the Panhandle. At the easternmost point of the Panhandle is a statute to William McKinley. Twain was a vociferous opponent of McKinley over the issue of Imperialism especially in the Philippines, which was started by the McKinley administration and famously opposed by Twain.


gManTexas

burnstyle wrote:: Lol Well, it was worth a shot. Just trying to help.


burnstyle

gManTexas wrote:: Well, it was worth a shot. Just trying to help. Sorry man, just giving you shit. But I promise it was good natured shit Don't let me discourage you. Not many people come up with that so quickly.


drunknerds

gManTexas wrote:: Well, it was worth a shot. Just trying to help. All in good fun. It made me look again at the Roman numerals on her dress, because they go down to two before her arms, then below that they are upside down as if reflected. But then they do all sorts of nutso stuff that makes no sense.


drunknerds

Okay, how about this: If we lay the dress over the park map, matching up where both shapes flare out, we see that crossver drive is just where her arms cross. So, if we look at that point on her dress where the big cross would be, then start walking toward the jewel on her neck, we will soon come across Golden Gate Park pioneer log cabin. Mark Twain wrote his career-launching story about that frog while a guest in a log cabin.


gManTexas

gManTexas wrote:: "Mark twain!" Depth sounding of 12 feet perhaps? Lol[/quote] Well, it was worth a shot. Just trying to help.[/quote] Sorry man, just giving you shit. But I promise it was good natured shit Don't let me discourage you. Not many people come up with that so quickly.[/quote] So I'm looking in the park and see baseball fields. Not sure if they were there in 1980, but I'm pretty sure Twain was a baseball fan.


drunknerds

drunknerds wrote:: Okay, how about this: If we lay the dress over the park map, matching up where both shapes flare out, we see that crossver drive is just where her arms cross. So, if we look at that point on her dress where Prayerbook cross would be, then start walking toward the jewel on her neck, we will soon come across Golden Gate Park pioneer log cabin. Mark Twain wrote his career-launching story about that frog while a guest in a log cabin. This is totally it, isn't it. I gotta say, my mind is a little bit blown


drunknerds

So if we keep walking towards the jewel past the cabin, we get to a huge staircase with a handrail that ends in a design strikingly similar to the rose base in the picture. That's out giant pole and giant step. Now, do you want your mind blown? Someone else started on the other side of the park from where I/you did, interpreted all the clues in a reasonable manner, and came to the exact same place. Despite the fact that they used zero landmarks that I/you just did (except the Sutro tower). hxxp://thesecret.pbworks.com/w/page/22148485/Image%201%20Verse%207%20Solution Not saying this is your answer, it's just trippy how multiple sets of seemingly random landmarks can fit the same pattern


Hirudiniforme

JoshCornell wrote:: Now, here is where i unlocked the mark twain clue...which allowed me to easily unlocked the next two clues and inevitably led to the giant pole... again, very wary of revealing specific answer lol :S So where to now?


Hirudiniforme

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Hirudiniforme

MrSeabass wrote:: Go buy some edibles (since it's legal now) and try again. I guarantee that you'll not only find the Sanfran casque, but magically the Charleston and Montreal casque will be right next to it. Funny thing... Edibles wrappers everywhere littered.


WhiteRabbit

Please maintain your current position. The drone will be with you shortly.


drunknerds

JoshCornell wrote:: you both got to the cabin via twain, and youre both wrong. lol ...no? In the solve I sent you the Twain landmark was the bust of Verdi. Anyway, I guess there's nothing left for me to do, here: You posted your partial solve and got some feedback. Nothing else to discuss unless you want to give another of your more-specific final location clues. That's really the deal with all of these: Tons of great solves that lead to an area, but nothing that gets us within a few feet (except the rose pole, which I still love can be found with two separate solves starting at two far apart locations). Thanks for bringing new ideas to the forums, I had fun tracking your solve and trying to continue it.


drunknerds

It's detailed explicitly here: hxxp://thesecret.pbworks.com/w/page/221 ... 20Solution Between Chinese pavilion and Japanese Tea Garden


Doghousereiley

JoshCornell wrote:: a railing is a railing. a pole is a pole... Preise deciphered the Chicago verse in the verse BRUSH is not a Brush IT IS THE ART Museum. The word Brush is telling you to need to dig between Lincoln and the art museum so a pole may not be a pole a railing my not be a railing


drunknerds

Doghousereiley wrote:: Preise deciphered the Chicago verse in the verse BRUSH is not a Brush IT IS THE ART Museum. The word Brush is telling you to need to dig between Lincoln and the art museum so a pole may not be a pole a railing my not be a railing Who is Preiss? Has he solved a puzzle like I have? Sounds incredibly speculative! That's like saying a long metal pole can also be called a long metal rail


Doghousereiley

drunknerds wrote:: Who is Preiss? Has he solved a puzzle like I have? Sounds incredibly speculative! That's like saying a long metal pole can also be called a long metal rail[/quote] BYRON PREISS is the author of the book the SECRET. He buried the casques and wrote the clues


drunknerds

JoshCornell wrote:: not effective use of symbolism... This should be the subtitle to the Secret Book.


catherwood

Something you won't know by simply using today's Google Street View: the giant totem pole currently beside the Cliff House is not in the same location as it was when the treasure was buried. (If your solution involves a flag pole at another location , it has already been proposed.) Another (better) solution landed on a giant totem pole statue in Golden Gate Park which was removed, and won't even appear on today's internet. I cannot stress enough that the passage of time is interfering with everything you think you have solved, if you are using only today's appearance of SF and its landmarks.


check12345

JoshCornell wrote:: there is a reason I'm really good at this...its because i right essays on symbolism in cinema...and this works VERY VERY similarly. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E ... ger_effect and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_bias Looking forward to the YT's of you digging up your 'solves''.


catherwood

JoshCornell wrote:: ive just offered the precise dig location to a local journalist in SF...so that the story a) can get covered and b) to ensure casque finds a home where it can be displayed as an exhibit. waiting for call back from the journalist now. Well, i can now see how little you value this community. You won't give the solution to us, the people who have invested years in supporting one another, but you'll give the solution to a stranger. I'll bet you're hoping s/he gives you all the glory. I rather hope that person insists on asking someone here to represent our interests -- if indeed you get a reply at all. edit: yes, I realize you've only *offered* the solution, so it has not yet been given away. My original opinion stands.


Doghousereiley

Josh where may I read some of your awesome "rightings" on movie symbolism. I went to film school. I work as a professional camera man Would love to read your work


Goonie68

Hello gentlemen, I am new to this panel and hope to bring this puzzle to a final conclusion. I have lived in the bay area all my life 49yrs. I know GG park very well and as a kid growing up I used to go there for educational trips ( in the 80's). I have put together a THEORY, because I haven't pulled the casque out of the ground yet.... So let's start will 3 things that I have noticed with the puzzle. 1. The written words that Preiss uses, like stone walls door, walls is plural, unlike the wall in Shakespeare garden a single wall would not be plural. To me this eliminates this as a starting point. Knowing that this is a 37 year old puzzle things have changed in the park , buildings, landscape and so on. There is another word that is plural Jewel's, but I will explain that later. So now for my THEORY of a starting point.... I have done a lot of research on the time lines of when Preiss put this book together. In 1982 the book was published, which means that to write the book and have the illustrations made it would of taken 1 to 2 years + to create the book and have it published. So back to my starting point, I believe Preiss visited San Francisco in 1979, and was most likely the first place he had gone. In 1979 at the De Young Museum King Tutankhamun was on display and was one of the most popular exhibitions ever to be presented at the de Young. In the upper left position, underneath the "DOOR" is what appears to be a mummy's face, which would tie it to the De Young. The "DOOR" resembles that of the old De Young building before it was demolished. The Wall's reference would be the building it's self and the Door is a window or an opening in the building that matches the illustration. I have a complete theory and like everyone else thinks to know where the casque is kept. Unlike most I will be putting boots on the ground tomorrow morning to test my theory. All the research I have done has pointed me to a POSSIABLE location and all clues are not forced all lines up.


gManTexas

That's using your noggin'!


Gem

Goonie68 wrote:: Hello gentlemen, I am new to this panel and hope to bring this puzzle to a final conclusion. I have lived in the bay area all my life 49yrs. I know GG park very well and as a kid growing up I used to go there for educational trips ( in the 80's). I have put together a THEORY, because I haven't pulled the casque out of the ground yet.... So let's start will 3 things that I have noticed with the puzzle. 1. The written words that Preiss uses, like stone walls door, walls is plural, unlike the wall in Shakespeare garden a single wall would not be plural. To me this eliminates this as a starting point. Knowing that this is a 37 year old puzzle things have changed in the park , buildings, landscape and so on. There is another word that is plural Jewel's, but I will explain that later. So now for my THEORY of a starting point.... I have done a lot of research on the time lines of when Preiss put this book together. In 1982 the book was published, which means that to write the book and have the illustrations made it would of taken 1 to 2 years + to create the book and have it published. So back to my starting point, I believe Preiss visited San Francisco in 1979, and was most likely the first place he had gone. In 1979 at the De Young Museum King Tutankhamun was on display and was one of the most popular exhibitions ever to be presented at the de Young. In the upper left position, underneath the "DOOR" is what appears to be a mummy's face, which would tie it to the De Young. The "DOOR" resembles that of the old De Young building before it was demolished. The Wall's reference would be the building it's self and the Door is a window or an opening in the building that matches the illustration. I have a complete theory and like everyone else thinks to know where the casque is kept. Unlike most I will be putting boots on the ground tomorrow morning to test my theory. All the research I have done has pointed me to a POSSIABLE location and all clues are not forced all lines up. Thank you for sharing! I'm excited to see what you uncover.


DarkTetsuya

Goonie68 wrote:: Hello gentlemen, I am new to this panel and hope to bring this puzzle to a final conclusion. I have lived in the bay area all my life 49yrs. I know GG park very well and as a kid growing up I used to go there for educational trips ( in the 80's). I have put together a THEORY, because I haven't pulled the casque out of the ground yet.... So let's start will 3 things that I have noticed with the puzzle. 1. The written words that Preiss uses, like stone walls door, walls is plural, unlike the wall in Shakespeare garden a single wall would not be plural. To me this eliminates this as a starting point. Knowing that this is a 37 year old puzzle things have changed in the park , buildings, landscape and so on. There is another word that is plural Jewel's, but I will explain that later. So now for my THEORY of a starting point.... I have done a lot of research on the time lines of when Preiss put this book together. In 1982 the book was published, which means that to write the book and have the illustrations made it would of taken 1 to 2 years + to create the book and have it published. So back to my starting point, I believe Preiss visited San Francisco in 1979, and was most likely the first place he had gone. In 1979 at the De Young Museum King Tutankhamun was on display and was one of the most popular exhibitions ever to be presented at the de Young. In the upper left position, underneath the "DOOR" is what appears to be a mummy's face, which would tie it to the De Young. The "DOOR" resembles that of the old De Young building before it was demolished. The Wall's reference would be the building it's self and the Door is a window or an opening in the building that matches the illustration. I have a complete theory and like everyone else thinks to know where the casque is kept. Unlike most I will be putting boots on the ground tomorrow morning to test my theory. All the research I have done has pointed me to a POSSIABLE location and all clues are not forced all lines up. to me it's kinda ambiguous, because it's apostrophe s, so like I think it might actually be singular but as in possessive, you know what I mean? a slip up like that could throw you off what Preiss intended the solution to be... But I do like this theory. Sadly I'm not local in the area so all I have at the moment is google maps, but looking up the address of that museum, I DO see a rose garden nearby (tying it back to the Shakespeare thing, wasn't one of his famous lines, "A rose by any other name, would smell as sweet"? So I wonder if that's something. I do also see a giant safety pin, but I can't be sure if that was there since he started in 1979 (like you said) so I'm not 100% sure if that's anything. But do keep us posted if you find anything!


Goonie68

The plural connection show's it's self twice in the verses Walls and Jewel's, I don't think this was a slip, this was meant to show us how to tie these two words in the puzzle. The word Jewel's is in my opinion is referring to the 12 Jewel's and we need to look for a pattern that has 12 to lead us to Twain's attention.


xarimus

Goonie68 wrote:: Unlike most I will be putting boots on the ground tomorrow morning to test my theory. All the research I have done has pointed me to a POSSIABLE location and all clues are not forced all lines up. Well you've got me excited! Keep us posted!


drunknerds

I love this line of thinking, but it left me very confused: The line is "at stone wall's door," which is singular possessive, not plural. Plural would be "at Stone Walls' door," but even that would be incorrect because door is singular and I can't think of how two walls could share the same door


drunknerds

Also, Goonie68, do you have a link or a picture of the old De Young museum door? That door/window in image 1 has been impossible to perfectly match, so if you did it you would be legendary.


Goonie68

I think in this case this is an opening and openings are usually connected by two walls right?


DarkTetsuya

drunknerds wrote:: I love this line of thinking, but it left me very confused: The line is "at stone wall's door," which is singular possessive, not plural. Plural would be "at Stone Walls' door," but even that would be incorrect because door is singular and I can't think of how two walls could share the same door yeah that's the point I was trying to make, thank you! I just don't want them to get something wrong and wind up wasting a day trying to find it. I'll definitely use some of that in my research trying to find it, given there's a rose garden nearby.


Goonie68

https://goo.gl/images/Pff5b1 Here is an image of the De Young in it's earlier days, Now I know it's not an exact match but the shape is and on one of the openings there are bars like the illustration.


DarkTetsuya

hxxp://www.mediafire.com/view/g8wkixf9t ... ullidk.png I was looking around the area he suggested, and I found another museum, which when I was looking at the picture again I noticed this, doesn't that sorta resemble a dinosaur skeleton of some sort, at least the head/neck portion?


Goonie68

Ok so here is the second verse that ties the De Young museum to the next move. Right in front of the De Young is a statue of a Sphinx and was updated in 1923. The face on the statue matches the woman's face in the illustration tying in the De Young once again. Now the verse, The air smells sweet...In my opinion this is referring to a statue right across the De Young museum. I also believe that Preiss leads you to buildings, landscapes, statues and other focal points through out the park. This statue is of a Apple Cider press, In my opinion we are not looking for a flower garden that smells sweet, I work next to a company that makes ciders and when they crush the apples...well the air smells sweet! The air smells sweet is referring you to the statue of the apple press. From there is the next line in the verse.....


Goonie68

If you look down from the face it appears that there is hands being crossed, as would it appear as mummy's are laid to rest.


DarkTetsuya

Goonie68 wrote:: If you look down from the face it appears that there is hands being crossed, as would it appear as mummy's are laid to rest. I do like that theory! I forgot that the face would likely match up to something in the area but I couldn't think of what it might be... any thoughts on the symbols around the black border, written in gold? I was doing some last minute research last night before I went to bed, and the only one I was able to decipher was the one in the lower left-hand corner, it's a "Unicursal Hexagram": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unicursal_hexagram but I couldn't figure out what any of the others were... surely they show up somewhere in a museum or a clock or something?


Goonie68

So my theory on the symbols around her dress are that most of them are there to through you off, not everything in the illustration leads you to the next stop. I would think the Preiss through in things that might make it a littler harder to decipher by adding symbols that don't lead you to the location. I believe that the 37 in the woman's hair and the roman numerals are longitude and latitude which is the location of GG park, ( the whole park). I have not focused too much on the symbols as much as I have on other items in the illustration. If you think too hard then it becomes more difficult to solve LOL


Goonie68

I do believe that the yin and yang symbol does play a part in the direction where the casque is buried.


DarkTetsuya

ah yeah I was looking into the symbols maybe they'd help point me in the right direction, I just didn't want to rule anything out! I'm not sure what kinda building we should be looking for though.


Goonie68

The Ying and Yang symbol helps you decide left or right once you have reached the general area of the casque. I believe once you have reach the spot you will have to turn left or right to place the shovels head and dig. The Ying and Yang are a symbol of the Chinese and to me that would be the last clue even know it's not written it ties the whole immigrant connection to the puzzle full circle.


DarkTetsuya

yeah I forgot about that! that's part of what pointed me to the whole asian thing as part of the solution so that's the angle I was using on my searches. unfortunately I still feel like I'm missing a bunch of the puzzle so I may have to research some more.


treetops

JoshCornell wrote:: So I unlocked 3 clues that I've seen nothing about online, which leads me to a very specific location (ie giant pole), however, I cannot see the giant step from GoogleMaps because I'm looking from a street through trees, into an area that is only foot accessible, and i couldnt really deduce the precise location from the aerial view....so you really need to be on the ground to find the exact spot at which to dig...but I can get you there... your starting position is 423 CARL ST just outside of the parks boundaries, around the corner from the Botanical Gardens...at this location there is a stone wall with a doorway that now contains a metal gate... https://www.google.ca/maps/dir/423+Carl ... 37.7671764 now, from this location...turn around and face away from the park... you will see the following...up on a hill... THE SUTRO TOWER (which has 3 spikes)... directly behind 423 carl is UC SAN FRAN CAMPUS, and back a little further right behind the towers is a JUVENILE DETENTION CENTER and COURTHOUSE. next you want to head past the botanical gardens, along crossover driver to the PRAYERBOOK CROSS. Now, here is where i unlocked the mark twain clue...which allowed me to easily unlocked the next two clues and inevitably led to the giant pole... again, very wary of revealing specific answer lol :S JoshCornell, seems like you are interpreting "but first..." to indicate the solver should take "...across in jewel's direction, Is an object, Of Twain's attention" as instructions that come before "Sounds from the sky, Near ace is high" in the approach to the burial site. Am I reading you right on this? That would make more sense of your claim that there are two additional clues between "Twain's attention" and "Giant pole, Giant Step" I've spent some on-the-ground time in that area over the past few years, looking at the following landmarks for connections, but never got farther than vague resemblances. Prayerbook Cross (the same "a cross" wordplay) and proximity to Crossover Drive The big raft-like structure where rental boats are moored near the boathouse (Huck Finn reference?) The Chinese Pavilion (Chinese immigration theme, vague resemblance of some decorative elements to image) The long staircase down from Stow Lake to the Tea Garden, with the "rose stem" railing Old site of Sweeney Observatory Rainbow Falls The Rose Garden (proximity to Highway 1 and Fulton, actual roses) Honestly, the stairway railing is the only thing that has any kind of serious resemblance to the image, and that's just a pretty generic spiral. The "raft" is the only one I haven't seen discussed here in any significant way.


commish

Forgive me for being new to the site, I just learned of this from expedition unknown. Personally, I believe the final dig site is around prayer book cross. The right hand in the image led me to this site. The large Celtic cross in the image makes me think this is very possible. To me the rock formations in the back ground look to me like they are hands pressed together as if one was praying, a subtle clue. What bothered me was the giant step. Then I noticed that the hand was point to the fourth square on the sleeve and realized that on the face of prayer book cross there are four square sections with text written in them. My guess is that if you measure the four squares on the cross and measure out from the base of the cross that distance, you will have your giant step. If I were in the area, I'd go check myself, but I can't really seeing myself getting down there for any reason. Feel free to do what you wish with this theory. Good luck to all.


vlcfurst

Is the twain clue Fulton street?


commish

If I were to search this area, I'd put a hole to the south of the cross towards the paddle boat house, then to the east towards McKinley's statue in the panhandle. If still nothing I'd try towards the southeast to the Verdi bust. Worst case scenario, I'd put another hole to the north and then to the West. Can't be that bad to dig five holes if needed (of course with park permission).