I didn't see this topic started yet. I've been reviewing p22-32 for hints. I'm currently curious with how a single horse can have four riders...

Four riders on a horse. This comes at the point in the Yo-Rib's story where he has travelled as far west as he could go accompanied and protected by the Shining Ones (Fair Folk). A number of them have already disbanded to places that met their heart's desire. Some number of them remain, which could be suggesting there are more than one jewels remaining to be hidden at that point. They dissappear. Yo-Rib sits on the beach for many days and then notices the four strange Indians riding a horse, first he's ever seen. Four people on one horse seems absurd. Four Fair Folk disguised as strange Indians, however, I can see fitting on a single horse. Another possibility is this might be alluding to the Four Horseman from Revelations. Without getting too carried away, what could this mean? The symbolism is fairly compact: four different missions, four colors of horse, each rider carroes a different object except Death, holding nothing or sometimes a scythe. 1st is Conquest on a white horse, he wears a crown and holds a bow, 2nd is War on a fiery red horse holding a great sword, 3rd is Famine on a black horse holding a balance (a set of weigh scales) and last is Death on a pale (green) horse with Hades behind him. (Sorry my mobile phone is almost dead....to be cont.)

...well, it was an idea, after reading through the Revelations section of the Bible, I realize it doesnt really connect in any satisying way. If Preiss wanted us to go that route he would've made it something more obvious. Even though theres a section about the Woman and the Dragon (Revelations 12), I dont see how its meant to help if it were intended as a breakthrough in understanding P1:SF. Still, I like the idea that the four riders are Fair Folk disguised as strange indians.

What's up Eric? Been a while. I've been swamped with the daily grind, peeking in from time to time. I like that you're still looking at the rest of the book for clues. I've always been a strong believer in the rest of the book having subtle hints. I still like delving into the whole birth month/stone deal. I feel there has to be reason he used these. Maybe in solving the pairings. Don't know yet.

Hi Deuce, it took me a long time to even consider the optional content. Its very insightful at points and if you have a working theory then the rest of the book might contain a few surprises. More or less its a ln exercise in cherry picking, so believe in its usefullness at your own risk. Here's an example: p88: Team Spirits. I currently have an SF theory focused on the giant pole that was the Betsy Ross Memorial Flagpole and that fixes a line of travel in the direction of Alcatraz. According to my best approximation this brings us to a particular roadside bench on the road below. The bench looks out at the Golden Gate Bridge. Everything in the verse and the image work to my taste. I noticed just a couple days ago that the baseball player on the opposite page is a SF Giant. I also noticed the History section: "Will Toowin (will to win) who invented the beanball and inspired Ty Cobb to sit on the bench sharpening his spikes while the other team's shortstop watched in terror." This is a hilarious line and it brings a bench into context. Notice the scientific name: Rosa Petrus aka Canis Calidus...Rose Rock aka Dog Hot? Could it be hinting Rosa = Ross or Rock = Alcatraz? Or is it just suggesting to toss a couple hot dogs on the charcoal grill?

Let's reboot for a moment and forget I mentioned the "revelations" crap. I use to think the text was nonsense, but after reviewing it a few times it really seems to have strange references that just about fit with some of the scenario's we've been discussing for casque locations. I'd like to take a closer look at some of the sentences in those pages and see if anything might help bring us closer to a solution. p.27 For more than a hundred moons, I traveled West in the company of the Shining Ones. We saw some strange tribes, who were slaves to big animals with horns. // Sounds like bufallo. We forded rivers and came to a land where the ground was smoking. // I'm thinking of some place of volcanic activity or just hot like death valley or some place. We met people who lived in caves in the air. // Nod to the Pueblo We crossed deserts so dry they were scattered with the bones of cactus. // Sounds like the Mojave We wintered in mountains so high you could touch the moon with your finger tips. // The kind of idea that relates to an optical illusion where like holding your hand out as if you're interacting with a large object We saw bears who could talk and ravens who made fun of them for it. // Weird. Talking bear = Teddy Roosevelt speech? Raven = Blackbird? Ridicule?

erexere wrote:: We forded rivers and came to a land where the ground was smoking. // I'm thinking of some place of volcanic activity or just hot like death valley or some place. We saw bears who could talk and ravens who made fun of them for it. // Weird. Talking bear = Teddy Roosevelt speech? Raven = Blackbird? Ridicule? That would be yellowstone and the last is a reference to the indians of the pacific northwest,

yes when I first read the book I was pretty sure these were directl]y connected to locations it seemed kind of obvious, but as you can see most of the location do not connect to a casque location and then when we found out all you need is a picture and a verse to solve the puzzle. the rest of the book was wriiten by others. It makes sense its similar they were following a theme. but I dont think there is much beyond that

I think Yellowstone was the most obvious...then Smokey or Yogi bear come to mind..but that doesnt fit the timeline. Loose anachronism doesnt seem right. I recall learning that some Native American tribes practiced controlled burning of the forrest floor.

Maybe anachronisms are fair. Stories dont always stay the same....they may take on new embellishments as they get passed down and those embellishments may have the flavor of current events. If there are hints to be found in this manner, it has to be considered that early 20th century media could sneak its way into the script. I was just reading about a famous speech by Teddy R. where he was shot in the chest and the bullet was slowed by a 50 page speech he held in his breast pocket. Bullet resistant speech, literally, may be a way of saying "Him of Hard word..." Talking bear indeed!

erexere wrote:: Maybe anachronisms are fair. Stories dont always stay the same....they may take on new embellishments as they get passed down and those embellishments may have the flavor of current events. If there are hints to be found in this manner, it has to be considered that early 20th century media could sneak its way into the script. I was just reading about a famous speech by Teddy R. where he was shot in the chest and the bullet was slowed by a 50 page speech he held in his breast pocket. Bullet resistant speech, literally, may be a way of saying "Him of Hard word..." Talking bear indeed! I always thought it was basically a retelling of the journey that lewis and clarke took

BP did say all you need is a Verse and Image, and so it must be true that the rest of the book isn't necessary, but that doesn't say the rest of the book "written by others" is completely devoid of use and wasn't in some part edited by BP and further illustrated to fit his notions on how to "persuade" his audience to a closer perspective. Lewis and Clark may be of potential use...but remains to be proven. Teddy Roosevelt was also known as the "Bull Moose". I didn't know that before.

I wonder if there is something to the words "Sweet Swarm" and "honey". Bees, obviously. Could this be a supporting hint that the flowers are very important to each image? Honey < Bees < Flowers

I wondered what that was about...expect you're right.

erexere wrote:: BP did say all you need is a Verse and Image, and so it must be true that the rest of the book isn't necessary, but that doesn't say the rest of the book "written by others" is completely devoid of use and wasn't in some part edited by BP and further illustrated to fit his notions on how to "persuade" his audience to a closer perspective. This is possible, show me how this works for Chicago and Cleveland. what do we see that brings us to a closer perspective for those, and how does it help lead us to the solution?

I thought I put this out already, but if the Vanishing has anything to do with the jewels, then the book directly refutes the proposed progress map on the pbwiki which suggests with confidence all casques located east of Houston except for the one in SF. What the book actually says is that only the strongest and strangest of the fairies remained with the party that reached the west coast. The book doesnt say "only one of the fair folk remained when they reached a spot as far west as they could travel." It then says they all vanished...and shortly after the group of strongest and strangest fair folk disappeared a horse with four strange Indians riding on it appeared on the scene," and then it digressed into a volley of horse thievery. I think it can only be assumed that there more than one fair folk could indicate more than one jewel remained to be hidden, perhaps four, why else use characterize in both instances the fair folk and four Indians as "strange"? What makes those natives "strange" anyhow? Maybe the strangest and strongest of the puzzles are hardest to pin down to other west coast locations for good reason. I think the Vanishing has a very specific purpose to indicate this particular distribution of jewels.

I think the four Indians episode which has been worrying us for years is something to do with Daniel Boone: viewtopic.php?f=32&t=1191&p=111588&hilit=daniel#p111588

erexere wrote:: Maybe the strangest and strongest of the puzzles are hardest to pin down to other west coast locations for good reason. I think the Vanishing has a very specific purpose to indicate this particular distribution of jewels. Why does it put all the native tribes in italics? Maybe we have to pair them with the fair folk because it mentions things like crafts that they taught each other like archery or weaving. Anyway we know the cities so what else does this part of the book provide?

I don't see anything special about the italics if only to stress importance or respect. The illustrations also show the merging of Natives with Fair Folk. Consider how the New Fair Folk descriptions fill the Field Guide and are hiding in plain sight dressed like modern man. This wave of Fair Folk has blended in with modern Man. The old world Fair Folk descendants vanished by doing the same thing with the Natives. I think anytime we see a "strange" person, we're probably seeing a Fair Folk in disguise.

Unknown: ...that was my grandfather's story." ..tales told by Native Americans, this Nootka legend appears to contain some historical truth... Consider a group of those frugal Lowland Dwarves, the Alven, hovering,invisible, and observing in economic agony while their old friends the Canarsie tribe traded Manhatten Island for a handful of trinkets! p.29 a sloppy contradiction, Alven aren't described as dwarves by various fairy folklore sources. They're described as a "light elven" from the Netherland region. They're wingless and may travel by air using a floating bubble as a vehicle. Sounds a lot like people using planes as transportation. They also wear the skin of otters as a disguise. I think it's smart to take a note from the history of trade for otter pelts in North America. This strongly identifies with the early French and Russian trappers of Canada. The Netherlands are DUTCH. The LotJ identifies the opal as belonging to the "Lowland Gnomes: a cloud of shining, shifting smoke". I've drawn a connection between opal and quarts. A shew stone or crystal ball looks like a bubble...it may be shift between cloudy or clear and in it you see different people, places, or events. I don't know how shew is meant to be pronounced: is it SHOW or SHOE? There is a connection that may be made between gnomes and shoes. Anyway, it's confusing...Alven aren't really dwarves or gnomes...they're elves...or little people who float around in bubbles.

shecrab wrote:: Okay, I've been going over and over the beginning to the book, looking for additional clues. I think I've found something, but what significance it may have I do not know. I apologize for the new thread, but I didn't think this fit into anything else. In The Vanishing, (pp. 22-32) it talks about what happens to the fay after they distribute themselves in the New World. Mostly it speaks of the interactions between native American tribal peoples and the fairy folks, and where these were. Here are the correlations I found: The English fay: pixies, hobgoblins, etc. gave lessons in archery to the CATAWBA tribes. For the sake of argument, lets assume that the regions talked about here are the possibilities for where jewels may be buried. The Catawba, however, are a tribe in South Carolina . I'm a bit puzzled about this one. If the "English" jewel is the Garnet, (Image 3) shouldn't the correlation be North Carolina? It's got me thinking. We do have an image for South Carolina--Image 2--or at least we think it's South Carolina. Maybe it isn't? The Russian fay instructed the Mohicans. That would be around the Hudson Valley. This correlates with Image 12, but not with New York City . The Djinn and Peri (Arabian fay) instructed the tribes of the Southwest in weaving--this correlates with Image 8, Texas. The Iberian (Spanish) fay lived among the Timuca and Calusa: both tribes that resided in Florida. This correlates with Image 6, Florida. There is no correlation for region listed for African fay, though it is stated that the African tree spirits and the Caribees resolved their differences with their mutual love of music and dance (p. 22). The only place I can think of this would be the case would be in Louisiana--New Orleans. We have a possible N.O. picture, but it's not the African gem! The Italian fay, the Folletti, settled with the Powhatan--on the shores of New Jersey . The Dutch are mentioned in connection with the Canarsie tribe--specifically on Manhattan. And that would mean Image 9 was--(gasp!) New York City? Hmmm....! Greeks aren't mentioned at all (except obliquely as "half-horse men")--and the Irish Leprechauns are mentioned only in connection with smoking tobacco. But then, the story takes off in another direction. It talks about the actual "vanishing" of the fair folk, along with their jewels, and mentions the Yar-on (Huron) people, the MicMac people and the Wyandot (all tribes around the Great Lakes.) We have some possibilities there--Cleveland, Chicago, and Milwaukee. Two of those three are settled and only one is not. It actually mentions the Fountain of Youth in connection with the Florida (Spanish) fay! So--can we take this information as leading to areas we need to explore? Possibly--I for one am going to explore the New Jersey=Italian connections and see if I can find anything there. What do you all think? Going back into review... It was pointed out that Fox wrote this up as well but the link was broken and I could not locate it using the function. So in my own review I am adding it to "The Vanishing" board. Pg 22/23 findings: ... from the Northernmost coast, where the Scandinavian Elves confronted the Innuit and Beothuk. (Refers to the Dutch/October/Opal/Calendula/Image 9) Scandinavian became the Dutch. The Beothuk lived in New Foundland, near Quebec. The Innuit were in several places, one of which is Quebec area. ----Seems to confirm with picture. ...to the Southern Shores, where the Iberian Hadas were greeted by the Timuca and Calusa. (Refers to the Spain/September/Sapphire/aster/image 6) Iberian easily linked to Spain. The Timuca were in North Florida/Georgia line (not panhandle) to Tampa area over to St. Augustine area. ----Seems to confirm with picture. ...The Italian immigrant Folletti and the indigenous Powhatan engaged, briefly, in a sort of guerrilla gang war over fishing rights off the peninsula of what is now called New Jersey. (Refers to the Italian/August/Peridot/Gladiolus/image 11) The Powhatan were in the Chesapeake bay area from Wash. D.C./Maryland/Virginia/NC -----Seems to confirm with picture ...Difficulties between the newcomer Tree Spirits of the Africa and the native Caribees were resolved in their mutual love of music; what was to have been a winner take all drumming contest between the champions of both groups was quickly transformed into a month long party -a "jump up" on the beach, during which festivities, according to legend rum was invented. (Refers to African/April/Diamond/Daisy/image 2) We know that this image is Charleston SC, where the hub of African and Caribbean slaves were transported to America. Rum is thought to have been created in the Caribbean, and the drumming beach contest could refer to Drum island in the map on the mask.) ----Seems to confirm with the picture ...Rood (Hood) and the Pixies of Britain gave lessons in archery to the Catawba braves, who passed their skill in bowman ship along to the neighboring Cherokee and Teton Sioux. (Refers to English/January/Garnet/White Carnation/image 3) Britain / England is a given. Catawba were in North and South Carolina. The Cherokee KY, WV, NC, SC, GA, TN and AL. The Teton Sioux were in North and South Dakota best I can find. Not sure that makes sense. ---having two of the three in the NC area still seems to make Roanoke a sound pick for the image. ...Leshy and Vily, from the forests of Muscovy, instructed the Mohican in woodcraft, teaching them to move silently and invisibly thought the trees- a skill which (learned authorities say) the Mohicans possessed to the Last. (Refers to Russian/November/Topaz/Chrysanthemum/image 12) Leshy and Vily are supernatural beings of Slovic origin. Muscovy is aka Grand Duchy of Moscow, The Mohicans were in the New York area (Hudson River Valley) Deleware/Albany/Pittsburg/ lower Vermont/ Catskills. ---Seems to work for the Image ...The fabulous carpet weaving techniques of the Djinn and Peri were admired and then mastered by the people who were their neighbors in the vast and pleasant desert regions of the New World's Southwest. (Is was the sort of place to which the Spirits of Araby were natural attracted). Djinn and Peri are of Persian folklore / carpet weaving/ Persian rugs. Mastered by the people who were their neighbors of the SW seems to be referring to the Navajo rugs, their territory extends into parts of Arizona/Utah/New Mexico and Colorado. ---Most have come to believe this casque is in Texas and was potentially confirmed by Preiss, but seems more likely it is more West from this info.

Thank you

maltedfalcon wrote:: This is possible, show me how this works for Chicago and Cleveland. what do we see that brings us to a closer perspective for those, and how does it help lead us to the solution? I think there is an argument to be made that there are clues in potions of the text. I know I read this in the forums before. For the Cleveland find on page 17 in the -Passage to the New World-, "And from Hellas itself, then vanished at last the few surviving Centaurs, Satyrs, and Nymphs, sad scattered remnants of the glory that was Greece. They were transported, willed away to the Island of the Blest - The Hesperides - by the final act of their dying patron, Pan. Here we have the voyage of the Greek immigrants, one of which is a Centaur, which is actually depicted in the image 4. The verse tells us that they were transported to Hesperides, which is a mythical garden in Greek Folklore. We know that the casque was found in the Greek {Cultural} Garden. Seems very significant that there are additional clues there in the text. I'm researching the Chicago casque and will post once/if I find any clues from the text, or if anyone else has already done it please share.

The only one I remember regarding Chicago was the mention of the World’s Fair in the text. Apparently the Worlds Fair was near where the cask was found.

davinci4 wrote:: The only one I remember regarding Chicago was the mention of the World’s Fair in the text. Apparently the Worlds Fair was near where the cask was found. Well near if you mean in the same city...

Regarding the Celts/Scottish/Irish Immigration, here is what I found in the text. Pg. 11 - Next, or simultaneously, or (to hear his kin and clan tell of it) years and years before, was Brandan, a Leprechaun from Kerry, who zigzagged all the way from the tip of the Dingle to the Brave New World in a sealskin canoe, with naught but poteen for provender. Pg. 14 - From Eire (that most distressful country), the conquered and humbled native gentry, the Sidhe, set forth to follow in Brandan’s path, accompanied on board by such of their lower-class countrymen as the shoe-making Leprechauns - and the endlessly joking, drunk, and disorderly Fir Darrigs, Observed a mortal Irish observer.* *Sir William Wilde Lost to the Scottish Highlands then an’ evermair was the Seelie Court: the Fair Folk known as Trows, Fachans, Brownies, and’ People o’ Peace. As the tale is told, “Only two children marked their passing, as the wee creatures rode their shaggy ponies down to the sea. The mortal lad called out to the last rider, ‘What are ye, little mannie?’ And where are ye going?’ ‘Not of the race of Adam,’ said the creature, turning for a moment in his saddle: ‘the People o’ Peace shall never more be seen in Scotland.’”** Silkies ad Kelpies, over the sea, beyond Skye, to a Nova Scotia... **Hugh Miller of Edinhurgh Poteen - alcohol made from potatoes Provender - basic food nothing fancy staple from starvation Brandan (Breanainn) is a Gaeltacht village on the northern coast of the Dingle Peninsula in Kerry County. Eire - Gaelic Goddess of sovereignty or of the land. gentry - social class below the upper class Sidhe - Irish earthen mounds believed to be the home of Aos Si Brendan’s path - Saint Brendan the Navigator of Clonfert, born in Kerry County Ireland Fir darrig - an Irish Fairy Evermair = Evermore (Scottish) Skye - Island in Scotland’s northwest coast Pg. 17 - (The Hill Folk of Scotland and Ireland were, in fact, near cousins and of a single nation). Really just letting us know they is only one treasure for these two groups. Pg. 23 - Among the native customs quickly adopted by some of the Fairy newcomers was the smoking of To-Bacco - a vice to which the Leprechauns, especially, were susceptible. (Seems like this part about To-Bacco linked to Leprechauns is important but I cannot link it to Chicago, so far) Pg. 29 - Imagine the Leprechauns of Erin (whose earliest roots in the New World were doubtless in Massachusetts) as from their hiding places they watched the Mayflower drop anchor and saw upon its deck a grim-faced throng of Celt-murdering Puritans... The Mayflower Landed in Provincetown Harbor, Massachusetts in 1620 before proceeding to Plymouth, Massachusetts. I haven’t seen any connection clues that would link the Celts to end up in Chicago or Illinois in the text. Maybe Preiss thought the image was enough on this one. It does have very well known icons from the Chicago area in the picture.