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Re: The slow spill

Postby Merlot Brougham » Wed Sep 19, 2018 7:40 pm

MERLIN wrote:The way the Chicago crew used it found the casque - I believe that is what matters.


What matters is having as much additional information as possible about Preiss' specific intentions and his method of crafting verses.

As I mentioned above, I am well aware the Chicago crew didnt require the intended interpretation of the clue to uncover the cask, but knowing for certain thst Preiss was using Mozart and Beethoven is a good piece of confirming information about this clue, if one was not inclined to believe existing information about Preiss saying it meant Mozart and Beethoven years later.
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Re: The slow spill

Postby BINGO » Wed Sep 19, 2018 7:43 pm

This is a testament to the power of a rock solid image match. You can completely misread the verse, but the image match keeps you in the right area.
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Re: The slow spill

Postby Scrappy929 » Wed Sep 19, 2018 7:48 pm

BINGO wrote:This is a testament to the power of a rock solid image match. You can completely misread the verse, but the image match keeps you in the right area.


Exactly. Image verifier and verse meet in one image. Solving The Secret 101...
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Re: The slow spill

Postby MERLIN » Wed Sep 19, 2018 7:49 pm

BINGO wrote:This is a testament to the power of a rock solid image match. You can completely misread the verse, but the image match keeps you in the right area.

So what image match are we looking for in Florida?
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Re: The slow spill

Postby MERLIN » Wed Sep 19, 2018 7:55 pm

Scrappy929 wrote:
BINGO wrote:This is a testament to the power of a rock solid image match. You can completely misread the verse, but the image match keeps you in the right area.


Exactly. Image verifier and verse meet in one image. Solving The Secret 101...

So are we saying the image of the horse and bowman are completely worthless - irrelevant to the search?
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Re: The slow spill

Postby Merlot Brougham » Wed Sep 19, 2018 7:57 pm

MERLIN wrote:
Scrappy929 wrote:
BINGO wrote:This is a testament to the power of a rock solid image match. You can completely misread the verse, but the image match keeps you in the right area.


Exactly. Image verifier and verse meet in one image. Solving The Secret 101...

So are we saying the image of the horse and bowman are completely worthless - irrelevant to the search?


I believe the exact opposite is being said.
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Re: The slow spill

Postby Scrappy929 » Wed Sep 19, 2018 8:02 pm

MERLIN wrote:So are we saying the image of the horse and bowman are completely worthless - irrelevant to the search?


No. It is another example of an image verifier. "And to Congress, R is known." The Bowman is right at the corner of East Congress Parkway before you enter the park.
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Re: The slow spill

Postby MERLIN » Wed Sep 19, 2018 8:11 pm

So again - what "image verifiers" should we be using for Florida"? The last verse mentions tall grass - the Everglades is described as "a sea of grass"
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Re: The slow spill

Postby Scrappy929 » Wed Sep 19, 2018 8:53 pm

MERLIN wrote:So again - what "image verifiers" should we be using for Florida"? The last verse mentions tall grass - the Everglades is described as "a sea of grass"


I can't speak to image 6 image verifiers. Maybe something can be found in the image 6 thread or may have been mentioned on the podcast. I've been spending a majority of my time on image 1. I am having a hard enough time finding image verifiers for that one. Something someone mentioned recently on a thread is right on point... an image verifier will not look similar... it will be exact. We can usually find many things that look similar. Using both of the solved images, we know that we need exact, and it shouldn't even be questioned when it is found. Good luck on image 6.
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Re: The slow spill

Postby karleen » Thu Sep 20, 2018 12:31 am

Scrappy929 wrote:
MERLIN wrote:So again - what "image verifiers" should we be using for Florida"? The last verse mentions tall grass - the Everglades is described as "a sea of grass"


I can't speak to image 6 image verifiers. Maybe something can be found in the image 6 thread or may have been mentioned on the podcast. I've been spending a majority of my time on image 1. I am having a hard enough time finding image verifiers for that one. Something someone mentioned recently on a thread is right on point... an image verifier will not look similar... it will be exact. We can usually find many things that look similar. Using both of the solved images, we know that we need exact, and it shouldn't even be questioned when it is found. Good luck on image 6.


I like what you've been discussing but I have to wonder about the exactness of what you would see. With the two "easiest" (not my word) casques being found and the more expensive jewel cities having a more difficult puzzle we have no way to know the level "exactness" in the cities where they've not been found.
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Re: The slow spill

Postby Scrappy929 » Thu Sep 20, 2018 1:40 am

karleen wrote:I like what you've been discussing but I have to wonder about the exactness of what you would see. With the two "easiest" (not my word) casques being found and the more expensive jewel cities having a more difficult puzzle we have no way to know the level "exactness" in the cities where they've not been found.


Yes. Those 2 seem “easiest” since the image verifiers are very evident. Some of the other puzzles seem to be lacking obvious image verifiers like the 2 solved ones, making them much harder. Or, some of the identifiers we might have been able to confirm, may be lost due to time. Once the next one is solved, we may know more. There definitely seems to be quite the difference between the puzzles... just adding to the overall puzzle.
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Re: The slow spill

Postby MERLIN » Thu Sep 20, 2018 2:23 am

Behind bending branches and a "formerly" green picket fence - https://i0.wp.com/floridarambler.com/wp ... .jpg?ssl=1 !!
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Re: The slow spill

Postby dosethree » Fri Sep 21, 2018 1:59 pm

Scrappy929 wrote:
MERLIN wrote:I am pretty sure the Japanese guy said M&B are famous names - we all know they are not.


Here you go. M & B set in stone. I would say Mozart & Beethoven are quite famous. Japanese translation nailed it. Also take note of the shape encircled in green, even down to the "X" going through the center...

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The image match is pretty interesting. The wiki for image 5 has that symbol down as matching to a old removed facade of a building (sullivan center 1 south state street) which is about 5 blocks away from the treasure site, but this is more attractive because it matches the start of the verse (and is still there for us to look at).

I always though that (at least for treasure map style verses like Chicago) there should be an image confirmer where you are supposed to start and perhaps at every step along the way, Byrons' way of confirming you are on the right trail. Without the image confirmer its pretty hard to follow successive cryptic verse clues (though verse 12 seems far less cryptic than rest...). And of course, in the case of Chicago they found a mistaken verse+image match to start the trail that works even better than the real one (since the image match is so clear and it gets you right where you need to be).

They are both pretty good matches to my eye, but the wiki one is dead on. I wonder which one is correct?
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Re: The slow spill

Postby Scrappy929 » Fri Sep 21, 2018 6:19 pm

dosethree wrote:The image match is pretty interesting. The wiki for image 5 has that symbol down as matching to a old removed facade of a building (sullivan center 1 south state street) which is about 5 blocks away from the treasure site, but this is more attractive because it matches the start of the verse (and is still there for us to look at).

I always though that (at least for treasure map style verses like Chicago) there should be an image confirmer where you are supposed to start and perhaps at every step along the way, Byrons' way of confirming you are on the right trail. Without the image confirmer its pretty hard to follow successive cryptic verse clues (though verse 12 seems far less cryptic than rest...). And of course, in the case of Chicago they found a mistaken verse+image match to start the trail that works even better than the real one (since the image match is so clear and it gets you right where you need to be).

They are both pretty good matches to my eye, but the wiki one is dead on. I wonder which one is correct?


The one I posted is correct, and I can say pretty confidently that it is the one intended for the clue. The one shown on the wiki is similar but the one where M & B are set in stone is exact. Notice the "X" going through the center on both the image and the one on the building. The one on the wiki does not have the "X." Not to mention, it is right above M & B... the first line in the verse. This was supposed to be the first clue to let you know that you were on the right path. We know now that, even though the first line was not interpreted correctly, they were still able to make it to the next verse /clue and continue with the solve.

I agree with you that we would think that we need an image verifier from where we are supposed to start. Based upon the two solved puzzles, that should be the case. However, it seems that the remaining puzzles might or might not follow that theory. We can conclude though, we may not necessarily have to have all of them... maybe just a couple others that would get us where we need to be.

Some of these image identifiers may be quite small as in the case of the above image. We would hope that even if we are missing one or two that may be lost to time, that the other ones in the image remain. Although, the one or two that may be missing could be the ones most needed or even the only ones.
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Re: The slow spill

Postby dosethree » Fri Sep 21, 2018 8:35 pm

You say it it worked for the two solved ones but did it work for Cleveland? Cleveland didn't didn't really take you on a journey, as it more described the area around the park and then the dig spot, "In between two countries" doesn't have an image match I'm aware of. "As the road curves" might be a match for the curvy tail of the centaur, but it doesn't seem like the same level of image match if that's what you're referring to? Or maybe the "backwards" order of verse 4 is significant and "seek the columns" is the "start" with a sweet image match

In the case of Boston (verse 3/image 11) which seems very trailesque we haven't really found a good image match at the suspected starting point of the Boston Public Library (closest is perhaps the Trinity Church for the castle in Pandora's box) though the area hasn't changed much.

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