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Postby NYCNative » Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:54 pm

Hey all,

Starting this thread to specifically focus on the possibility of South Brooklyn being the dig site. The logic behind the location comes from the image match of the face of SOL in image 12 accompanied by the line in Verse 10 "Or gaze north toward the isle. of B. We are also going by the assumption the the dig site would be near the riverside. Another potential solve is that the Verrazzano bridge is at play here as well. Perhaps it is the arm that extends over the slender path ( Narrows), which seems to make a lot of sense and still keeps us in South Brooklyn. More so, the area is filled with references to A. Hamilton, if indeed he is the indies native that is spoken about in the verse.

Possible parks include those on Shore Rd., Leif Ericson park and possibly Sunset park (which needs more research). Owl's head and JPJ has been extensively researched without much promise. Prospect park has also been researched and has not presented any potential solves/theories.

We have boots on the ground presently at this site. We would need to do more research and see what has changed in the area since the casque was buried. We also would hope to find someone who fits the "him of hard word" title.

If I have missed something, please enlighten me and us. If you have another theory, in another location, I ask that you post it on the other threads that are more broad on this topic of discussion. This thread is to specifically go over the South Brooklyn theory alone!
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Re: Image 12/Verse 10-South Brooklyn

Postby davinci4 » Wed Jul 10, 2019 5:31 pm

To review thus far, focusing in southwest Brooklyn based upon these clues from verse:

1) location is south of SOL (Bedloe’s Isle)
2) location is in Brooklyn (rhapsodic man)
3) location near the shore (where one would hear a “whirring sound” from bicycles or ferries)

Furthermore:
3) location has a ‘nearby’ reference “sign” to Alexander Hamilton
4) Verrazano and SOL visible from location

Listing parks here based on our exclusion criteria

More likely:
1) South Shore

Less likely:
1) JPJ (SOL not visible)
2) Owls Head (no Hamilton reference)
3) Leif Ericsson (not near shore, SOL not visible)
4) Sunset Park (no Hamilton reference, not near shore)
5) McKinley (not near shore, SOL not visible)

Look good so far?

NYC. I agree. It’s worth double checking Sunset and Owls Head for Hamilton reference. Anyone have any?
BTW. Love the way this post is organized by verse/image/geographic location. Hopefully will be a model that members can use on this forum. Helps to get people with similar location ideas together.
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Re: Image 12/Verse 10-South Brooklyn

Postby NYCNative » Wed Jul 10, 2019 8:57 pm

Actually Leif Ericson park is right on Shore road and SOL is visible.
As far as the signs nearby part, I hold some reservations of how nearby the sign needs to be and if the sign in question is still there.
I am not sure what you mean by Brooklyn being Rhapsodic man?

Yes hopefully we can keep things organized and be forthcoming about our theories and ideas about this area.
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Re: Image 12/Verse 10-South Brooklyn

Postby davinci4 » Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:08 pm

One more obvious, possible confirmer, the surf depicted at bottom of painting seems like a reasonable confirmer for SHORE road/park. It’s simple, not stretching much I don’t think. So painting tie ins to south Brooklyn location:
- Surf for Shore Road/Park
- Face of woman for SOL
- Outline of painting resembling Verrazano bridge

NYC. Also agree with your post on the dots. I don’t think they are a vital clue to solving this puzzle. It might help confirm but there are plenty of other clues that could lead to a dig spot. The Charles Dickens tie in would crack this wide open, but there seem to be only a handful of “v”s in this area that would fit. May not absolutely need Charles Dickens clue, but it would be nice.

My interpretation of ‘rhapsodic man’s soil’ is that Preiss was simply saying that the treasure is buried in the ‘home turf’ of Gershwin (i.e. Brooklyn). Like saying Larry Bird’s home turf/stomping grounds are Indiana. Connotation is that this was the area of the country he was known for. A very general reference to Brooklyn.
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Re: Image 12/Verse 10-South Brooklyn

Postby idyl » Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:22 pm

davinci4 wrote:- Outline of painting resembling Verrazano bridge

My only question with this is why would the outline of painting 1 (San Francisco) also have the same curved arch on top? I get that 1/12 are kind of mirrors or bookends of the paintings, so they sort of match that way, but there's no bridge in SF with the curved top like the Verrazano. The Golden Gate Bridge being the most likely bridge is rectangular, and the Oakland Bay bridge is as well.

Not that it's that important, since we're in agreement here about the location anyway, but: how can we say that the curved top in image 12 is from a bridge in NY, but the curved top in image 1 is not from a bridge in SF? Hope that makes sense.
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Re: Image 12/Verse 10-South Brooklyn

Postby Goonie68 » Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:36 pm

Maybe the do have a resemblance too each other, Bridge and Tower, both arched frames and landmarks?? Verrazano bridge and Coit Tower

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https://ibb.co/fvh1Q45
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Re: Image 12/Verse 10-South Brooklyn

Postby Choice » Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:39 pm

Arches could be the window/observatory opening on Chrysler building and Coit tower.

Or Queensboro Bridge!

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Re: Image 12/Verse 10-South Brooklyn

Postby NYCNative » Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:46 pm

idyl wrote:
davinci4 wrote:- Outline of painting resembling Verrazano bridge

My only question with this is why would the outline of painting 1 (San Francisco) also have the same curved arch on top? I get that 1/12 are kind of mirrors or bookends of the paintings, so they sort of match that way, but there's no bridge in SF with the curved top like the Verrazano. The Golden Gate Bridge being the most likely bridge is rectangular, and the Oakland Bay bridge is as well.

Not that it's that important, since we're in agreement here about the location anyway, but: how can we say that the curved top in image 12 is from a bridge in NY, but the curved top in image 1 is not from a bridge in SF? Hope that makes sense.


I believe that the arch is symbolic of a gateway. New York Harbor being its gateway for all the immigrants coming into Ellis Island. Entering SF, to go to Angel Island, would put you under the GGB no different then entering NY would put you under the Verrazzano.

I hope I explained that right..If not, Google it :)
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Re: Image 12/Verse 10-South Brooklyn

Postby NYCNative » Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:48 pm

Choice wrote:Arches could be the window/observatory opening on Chrysler building and Coit tower.

Or Queensboro Bridge!

https://tinyurl.com/y2o4nkvh

See now you are just being annoying.
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Re: Image 12/Verse 10-South Brooklyn

Postby davinci4 » Wed Jul 10, 2019 10:08 pm

NYCNative wrote:Actually Leif Ericson park is right on Shore road and SOL is visible.
As far as the signs nearby part, I hold some reservations of how nearby the sign needs to be and if the sign in question is still there.
I am not sure what you mean by Brooklyn being Rhapsodic man?

Yes hopefully we can keep things organized and be forthcoming about our theories and ideas about this area.


NYC. Is the Verazzano visible anywhere from Leif Ericsson? Based on your observations, maybe Leif Ericsson belongs in a ‘possibly’ category between Shore Park (more likely) and the others (less likely).

Hi Idyl. As we discussed before, not counting on image confirmers for this puzzle. I threw those three out there as possibilities. I agree. The archway has a nice tie in but not very specific for one location. But I happen to agree with NYC’s interpretation given its proximity to our proposed location.

Perhaps a slightly more specific one is the Roman numeral clock on the front of Fort Hamilton HS (again not an exact match, and not very unique). Really focusing on the verses here given the lack detailed images in the painting.
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Re: Image 12/Verse 10-South Brooklyn

Postby NYCNative » Wed Jul 10, 2019 10:16 pm

davinci4 wrote:
NYCNative wrote:Actually Leif Ericson park is right on Shore road and SOL is visible.
As far as the signs nearby part, I hold some reservations of how nearby the sign needs to be and if the sign in question is still there.
I am not sure what you mean by Brooklyn being Rhapsodic man?

Yes hopefully we can keep things organized and be forthcoming about our theories and ideas about this area.


NYC. Is the Verazzano visible anywhere from Leif Ericsson? Based on your observations, maybe Leif Ericsson belongs in a ‘possibly’ category between Shore Park (more likely) and the others (less likely).

Hi Idyl. As we discussed before, not counting on image confirmers for this puzzle. I threw those three out there as possibilities. I agree. The archway has a nice tie in but not very specific for one location. But I happen to agree with NYC’s interpretation given its proximity to our proposed location.

Perhaps a slightly more specific one is the Roman numeral clock on the front of Fort Hamilton HS (again not an exact match, and not very unique). Really focusing on the verses here given the lack detailed images in the painting.

The Verrazzano is visible anywhere in that area/neighborhood.
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Re: Image 12/Verse 10-South Brooklyn

Postby davinci4 » Wed Jul 10, 2019 10:21 pm

One neat thing about Leif Ericsson is that the west end forms a “v” with two branches of Shore Road.
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Re: Image 12/Verse 10-South Brooklyn

Postby NYCNative » Wed Jul 10, 2019 11:26 pm

Another good suggestion I got was to use the simple keywords in the Japanese version of the verse to help clear out all the words that get over analyzed for nothing.
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Re: Image 12/Verse 10-South Brooklyn

Postby NYCNative » Thu Jul 11, 2019 1:46 am

While I am sure this is not a new theory, it has to be said.
I am starting to think "him of hard word" is JFK, especially now due to the location in Bay Ridge.

I am thinking he is being referred to as him of hard word due perhaps to the way he pronounced the word hard as well as his speech about the mission to the moon, which I believe was at Rice University, where he said,"..we do it because it is hard!"

On the 4th ave exit of the belt parkway, which is Ft. Hamilton, the sign leaving bar ridge says Kennedy airport. So although the sign speaks of Hamilton in one direction, in the opposite direction it speaks of Kennedy.

Why 3 Vols.? I have no clue because if vols. is not volumes then I am not sure what the word vols. is referring to.

Here is the kicker that I am sure previous theories about Kennedy could of not known. Since we now have the Japanese clues, we got the hint about the word play with chicken. I also checked the translation and in one version the clue said "he is a chicken". Brooklyn is the birth place of Kennedy Chicken which opened its first store in Flatbush, Brooklyn in 1969. Since then has become a really big chain restaurant in NYC and spread through out the country.

Thoughts?
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Re: Image 12/Verse 10-South Brooklyn

Postby phrabbott » Thu Jul 11, 2019 2:00 am

NYCNative wrote:Brooklyn is the birth place of Kennedy Chicken which opened its first store in Flatbush, Brooklyn in 1969. Since then has become a really big chain restaurant in NYC and spread through out the country.
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Non New Yorkers will think this is a dubious reference, but I assure you, this is the most NYC reference ever.
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