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Re: image 12

Postby danok2 » Fri Jul 23, 2004 5:18 pm

i'm not sure, but have any of yall thought about a church. When ever i look at this it reminds me of a church.....maybe there is a church near one of you locations... i dont know

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I had the same thought.  It looks like it could be a picture of the Assumption or the Annunciation (not really familiar with Marian images).  Or maybe a female Saint.  If it was a male figure, I'd say the Transfiguration.  Or it could be a late 19th century actress.  Any other ideas?

Also, does anyone else think that the bottom of the dress looks like the the coast of either the Bronx or Brooklyn?  I'd try to overlay them, but I'm horrible at graphics work.

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Re: image 12

Postby KROMAGNUM » Fri Jul 23, 2004 10:22 pm

Getting back to "Image 12".
I downloaded and viewed and printed the high resolution pictures.
The first thing I noticed upon looking at this picture:
1. The top/left window pane with the red/blue/orange/etc/ dots.Immediately what caught my eye is the numeral 8.
2. the top/right window pane with blue and darker to lighter shades of blue....nothing immediatly jumped out at me.But there definately is some sort of pattern there.
My thought on the woman and the ocean....She has risen from the ocean and the 3 droplets of water have beaded off of her gown.
About the jewel. My take of that is she has released it from her left hand to return back into the water.Whereas she keeps the stemmed flower secured in her right hand.

The Cloister "Medieval Castle" I was thinking about with verse #10.
I couldn't remember the name of it even though I have been there many times years ago when I used to fgo there in the summer months via bicycle across the GW bridge when I was a yourg teenager.
I did my research on that late last night from home, and today I see a mention from a post posted some time ago that mentions The Cloisters Gardens.
Another not so significant fact was that Donald Trump had purchased it at one point some years ago.Which is now apart of the Metropolitan Museum. Maybe he still is owner of it.Don't know.
Just my observations here. Which I thought would or might spark some more interest into getting ideas thrown out there.
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Re: image 12

Postby unknown_user » Fri Jul 23, 2004 11:35 pm

on 5/6/2004 mrshamrock
.....but bpruess shot that down, saying "there is no treasure on liberty island".....

So that rules out that, but I stll think that battery park is an option.  
This should be under the verse 10 thread, but i was thinking arm extended might be a mechanical arm, like the one used in a parking garage.
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Re: image 12

Postby nectarbean » Thu Aug 05, 2004 12:51 am

Every day on my walk to school, I would pass Madison Square Park. One day I actually sat down there. The view from the park is:  on East 23rd Street the Flat Iron Bldg...You can see the Chrysler Bldg, and also the Empire State Bldg.

1.Madison Square Park was home to the Statue of Liberty's torch for 6 years to attract attention before the statue was completed.
2.The Chrysler Bldg, is obviously dedicated to the automotive industry: cars abound if we're going with verse 10. (?)
Other info: Madison Ave is bordered by 5th and Madison aves., 23rd and 26th streets. There are many statues in the park..one of senator Conkling who froze to death in 1888.

If we choose Bryant Park as a possible location:
1.The park contains five statues plus the Josephine Shaw Lowell fountain. Built in 1912 and designed by Charles Adams Platt, this was the first monument dedicated to a woman. Lowell (1843-1905) was a pioneering social reformer.
2.On the east side of the park is the 1911 New York Public Library.
3.In 1884 the square was renamed Bryant Park after William Cullen Bryant, a poet and lawyer. He was one of the most influential advocates for abolition of slavery in the United States and one of the forces behind the creation of Central Park.

these are all just thoughts and facts to be considered.
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Re: image 12

Postby Egbert » Mon Aug 23, 2004 3:47 pm

Well, Siskel and I teamed up again and went on a scouting expedition of Manhattan.  I will allow him to fill all of you in on the details --- he has lots of good ideas on Image 12, Verse 10, and New York.  

However, I would like to present you with my thoughts on that rectangle in Image 12.  I first suggested it was one of the World Trade Center towers, and someone else suggested it was Central Park.  However, now I think it is neither .... take a look at the overhead image of Ellis Island:

http://terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?t=1&s=11&x=1452&y=11263&z=18&w=1

Since it appears that the immigration of the Faeries are closely tied to the real life immigrants, I think it would be only fitting to have Ellis Island in one of the pics.  So Siskel and I last week took a trip out there, along with other spots in NYC.  I will let him post our findings.  Happy hunting all!
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Re: image 12

Postby KROMAGNUM » Mon Aug 23, 2004 11:21 pm

Wow!
That is most amazing!
Will have to wait until they begin Ellis Island tours again to head there for a scouting/dig?
Kudos to you and Siskel!

Edit
Seems the tours are back on for Ellis Island.
Limited tours, but they are on. Did a search and found this.
http://www.nycvp.com/statue_of_lib_WalkingTour.htmI took the Statue of Liberty/Ellis Island tour via Liberty State Park in Jersey City,NJ some 15 or so years ago.
I didn't know about this hunt at that time.
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Re: image 12

Postby KROMAGNUM » Mon Aug 23, 2004 11:54 pm

Look at the shape of the windows inside the "Great Hall" on Ellis Island.
Hmmmm.,

http://www.historychannel.com/ellisisla ... athal1.gif

Another with 3 steeples on Ellis Island.
You think?

http://www.historychannel.com/ellisisla ... ntro_2.gif
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Re: image 12

Postby wilhouse » Tue Aug 24, 2004 3:35 am

guys, there is no way Preiss buried a cask on Ellis Island. I just refuse to believe it.
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Re: image 12

Postby KROMAGNUM » Tue Aug 24, 2004 7:21 am

Things may have been "very" different back in 1982.
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Re: image 12

Postby Siskel » Tue Aug 24, 2004 11:21 pm

Here are the photos of Egbert and my recent expedition to Ellis Island and lower Manhattan.  More thoughts and observations to follow.

http://share-dell.shutterfly.com/action/share/welcome?i=EeCNWbVi3ZtGWF&open=1&sm=0&sl=0
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Re: image 12

Postby Siskel » Wed Aug 25, 2004 1:13 am

And now for some thoughts ...

First off, congrats to Willhouse on getting the use of a ground penetrating device.  When Egbert and I went out to Cleveland we thought of buying until we found out how expensive they are with little or no resale value.  I did suggest that if everyone on this site chipped in $50 we could buy one and circulate it amongst all the treasure hunters every time someone goes out to dig.  Wasn't sure that a metal detector would be of any value since the casque was ceramic, but discovered the key to have a metal filament in its tip, so even a simple metal detector might prove useful.  Either way, the device you got should prove helpful in your never-ending Houston quest.  If there is any justice in the world, you will find the casque in Herman Park.

Now on to Lower Manhattan.  Egbert came across the aerial photo of Ellis Island and it looked too good to be true.  Given the theme of the book, it seemed natural that the center of immigration in this country would have some tie in to the location of a hidden casque.  We started out by taking the ferry from Battery Park and Castle Clinton (the whirring sound in the summer?).  The approach to Ellis Island seemed promising as you can see in the photos as the tops of the great immigration hall look similar to the image that seems to point to some onion shaped domed structure.  As we pulled into the docking area that is a direct match for the rectangle in the picture, we passed points in the water where only three of the tower tops were visible and more closely resembled the illustrated shape in image 12.  Once docked, we were surprised to see the great windows on the central building - arch shaped and similar to the shape containing image 12.  There are three such windows, each one made up of a grid type structure.  In between each such window, at the very top, stands a statue of an eagle.  The face is distinctly similar to the bird illustation in image 12, which is sure to be a statue of some origin, whether it is from the Chrysler building as has been suggested, or here on Ellis Island.  Combined with the face of the Lady Liberty, there seemed to be an awful lot of clues pointing to Ellis Island.  That much said, there are some obvious problems.  Continued ...
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Re: image 12

Postby Siskel » Wed Aug 25, 2004 1:35 am

Continued ... I agree with Willhouse's earlier post that it is hard to imagine BP digging on the island at ANY time given its historic nature.  On top of that, half the island has been closed off for many years, leaving less of an area for him to have buried the casque and more of a chance of his getting caught during the digging process.  Also, there is no way you would be allowed to dig on that island now and I would venture to guess that was the case in the early 80's as well, no matter how different a world it may have been.  Still, with so many clues pointing to this general area of lower Manhattan, we thought the image might be highlighting the lower tip of the island and headed back for a look around Battery Park.  First thing we noticed is that Battery Park would be a far easier place to dig.  It is quite expansive and better suited for a private digging session.  Not far from Castle Clinton is the Marine Memorial made up of monoliths surrounding a giant eagle.  The head of the bird (see pix) is not too similar to the one in image 12, which in turn got us thinking again about that damn bird.  It is clearly a bird of prey, but is it an eagle?  The beak is rounded and enlarged, but the feet are more reminiscent of a falcon or a hawk, as eagles have much more pronounced feet and claws.  The bird in the image seems to bear more of a resemblance to a bird used in falconry, especially in the area of the lower extremeties.  And why is it white?  Because it is a statue?  Or are we looking for a white bird?  Anyway, the Marine eagle left us wondering more about that bird and its relevance, which seems extremely significant.  Proceeding further along the water we came up to "Pier A" which juts out into the water just off the coastline and in plain sight of Ellis Island (could this have something to do with Johan's earlier observation of the large "A" in the water?)  "Pier A" is a fairly famous area and at the very end is a large clock which looked for an instant like the one in image 12, roman numerals and all.  However, upon closer inspection, we could not detect the small circles at the ends of the hands of the clock as depicted in the illustration so not sure it is a perfect match.  We then headed over to the dutch flag pole at the tip of Battery Park in search of a "sign nearby that speaks of Indies Native."  The base of the monument mentions the purchase of New York by Peter Minuit who was affiliated with the Dutch East Indies Co. (I believe the story portion of the book also references his purchase of Manhattan Island from the Canarsie Indian tribe in exchange for some glass baubles - could the three droplets under the lady rising from the water be the glass baubles and not merely water droplets at all?)  Next we walked to the nearest corner only 40 yards from the flag pole and we stood at the vortex of the intersection where Broadway comes to meet West Street (not 100% certain of the name of the intersecting street, sorry).  It forms a V at this very spot and if you look north, up Broadway, you could say you are gazing north toward the isle (aisle - play on words?) of B (Broadway?) which might explain the reference to the simple roots in Rhapsodic man's soil by tying in Gershwin to Broadway.  Might be stretching here, but just offering some general observations.  Continued once more ...  
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Re: image 12

Postby Siskel » Wed Aug 25, 2004 2:35 am

Continued once more ...
Anyway, we walked across the intersection and north on Broadway.  We immediately came to Bowling Green, the first park dedicated in Manhattan.  It is comparatively small and at its northern most tip stands the Wall Street Bull.  Not that the bronzed statue has anything to do with the hunt and I am not even sure when it was erected, but it is worth noting that when standing at this spot and looking due north, the isle of B ultimately draws your eye to a single building in the distance - the only such building visible on the horizon - the Chysler Building (perhaps significant due to the eagle gargoyles that surround the upper portion of this skyscraper and which bear a striking resemblance to our illustrated bird).  I tried to enlarge the picture to demonstrate this fact, but was not very successful, but take my word for it, it is eerily prominant and singularly visible in the distance.  Also worth noting was a sign attached to the fence around Bowling Green (which is also next to a Subway stop - "Cars abound?" or is that just a reference to the sheer volume of traffic at this point?).  I tried to take a picture of it but what it speaks to is the fact that this area was famous for sightings of the Peregrine Falcon (back to that damn bird again) a bird of prey that is bordering on extinction.  The sign indicated that this spot was popular for viewing this rare bird.  While it is doubtful this sign was posted back in 1982, the history may well have been known.  Also, while the Peregrine Falcon's lower appendeges look more similar to our fine feathered friend in image 12, its beak is quite less pronounced leaving us with a hawklike cross between a falcon and an eagle.  Should be noted that the Peregrine Falcon has a close cousin that is all white, the Gyrfalcon, also pretty rare, but more similar in its look to the one in the picture, however this bird is more closely associated with the arctic region unfortunately.  Some other tidbits that drew us to this area included the reference to the "natives still speak of him of Hard word in three vols." which thus far Egbert believes might refer to Charles Dickens (author of Hard Times which, when written, was divided into three novellas) who visited lower manhattan in the 1860s and came to witness firsthand the area nearby known as the immigrant slum the Five Points (the model for the movie the Gangs of New York).  Another possibility might be an additional reference to Netherlands born Peter Stuyvesant, a harsh ruler ("Hard word?") and autocrat, especially intolerant of religious dissenters.  He served as director general of New Netherland from 1646-1664 and lost New Netherland to England.  New Amsterdam became New York and Stuyvesant spent the rest of his life on his Manhattan farm called "Bouwerie" in Dutch; the road leading to Stuyvesant's farm is now the Bowery in Manhattan.  Finally, Egbert and I ventured up to 97th Street, near Central Park, to see the most famous Russian Orthodox Onion Dome church in all of Manahattan, the St. Nicholas Cathedral (again, see pix).  As you can see, the domes are very similar to those depicted in image 12, leading us to believe that the structure is more likely a cathedral and not necessarilly the immigration center on Ellis Island.  Still, that said, there is no other nearby corresponding sites or signs that seem to relate to Image 12 or the verse we were trying to match it to in verse 10.  Frustrating to say the least.  And that is not to mention our inability to find a single stained glass window that bore any resemblance to those three colored panels which, as has been posted before, seem more and more to be a reference to those color blind tests, but without revealing anything hidden within.  In the end, we were unable to narrow our search to a specific area in Manhattan and may have raised more questions than found answers, but we wanted to at least post the pictures with some elaborate explanation for those not able to travel to this area and/or to spark some more discussion for those locals and those far away in attempting to figure out this maddening picture.  Thats all for now.  Hope it was helpful.    
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Re: image 12

Postby johann » Wed Aug 25, 2004 6:41 am

Wonderful!!!  Many facts, but that is where it begins.
Great team work!  This is encouraging when the posts seem to have slackened and we need some excitement and hope.
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Re: image 12

Postby KROMAGNUM » Wed Aug 25, 2004 6:17 pm

Thanks Siskel and Egbert!
I'm in total agreement with you all about the impossiblities that the cask is buried on Ellis Island.
I too find it hard to believe it is buried on Ellis Island.
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