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Postby catherwood » Sat Apr 12, 2003 4:21 am

Verse 10:

In the shadow
Of the grey giant
Find the arm that
Extends over the slender path
In summer
You'll often hear a whirring sound
Cars abound
Although the sign
Nearby
Speaks of Indies native
The natives still speak
Of him of Hard word in 3 Vols.
Take twice as many east steps as the hour
Or more
From the middle of one branch
Of the v
Look down
And see simple roots
In rhapsodic man's soil
Or gaze north
Toward the isle of B.
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Re: verse 10

Postby catherwood » Sat Apr 12, 2003 4:24 am

"In the shadow
Of the grey giant"

"Find the arm that
Extends over the slender path"

Probably a tree or rock outcropping, and not a statue.

".. the sign Nearby
Speaks of Indies native"

A park history sign, perhaps?  Might that be the East Indies or West Indies?  A native of a foreign land, who became famous enough for the locals to erect a sign.

"The natives still speak
Of him of Hard word in 3 Vols."

There is a play on words there, i can feel it.  Can I ask if this capitalization is in the book?
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Re: verse 10

Postby fox » Sat Apr 12, 2003 9:12 am

Yes Cat...that is how the line is capitalized.  A play on words you think?  Either that, or the person referred to sure pissed off the natives.
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Re: verse 10

Postby johann » Thu Mar 11, 2004 8:12 pm

A friend of mine suggests North Dakota for this verse.
The lines "The natives still speak / Of him of Hard word," as well as the "grey giant," could refer to a statue of an Indian chief carved in a mountain.

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Re: verse 10

Postby Egbert » Thu Apr 29, 2004 11:42 pm

I am thinking that this verse may refer to New York City.  The "gray giant" could be the Statue of Liberty (Image 12) or just a tall building.

"Or gaze north
Toward the isle of B."
Liberty Island used to be known as Bedloe's Island.

"In summer
You'll often hear a whirring sound"
There are ferries in New York which make a whirring sound.

Cars abound there of course.

"Look down
And see simple roots
In rhapsodic man's soil"
George Gershwin (Rhapsody in Blue) grew up on the lower east side of NYC.  

"Although the sign
Nearby
Speaks of Indies native"
Indians (aka Native Americans) used to live in NYC, so there must be signs around.  Battery Park is at the tip of NYC, and you can see the Statue of Liberty from there.  The National Museum of the American Indian is located at the tip of Battery Park.

"The natives still speak
Of him of Hard word in 3 Vols."
I agree with Catherwood on this --- definitely cryptic.  Why abbreviate the word "volumes"?

Just some things to stir the pot.
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Re: verse 10

Postby maltedfalcon » Fri Apr 30, 2004 7:21 am

Liberty Island is south of Manhatten
and the statue of liberty is pretty much green

Ferry's run all year round.
perhaps the whirring sound is Cicadas

I sure liked your george gershwin pull though...

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Re: verse 10

Postby shawnvw » Wed May 05, 2004 4:05 am

A friend of mine suggests North Dakota for this verse.
The lines "The natives still speak / Of him of Hard word," as well as the "grey giant," could refer to a statue of an Indian chief carved in a mountain.

--Johann


What comes to mind is the statue of Crazy Horse, which (when finished) will be the largest sculpture ever made.  It will have an outstretched arm, but Heaven only knows what it looked like when the book was written
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Re: verse 10

Postby fox » Sun May 23, 2004 10:03 pm


"The natives still speak
Of him of Hard word in 3 Vols."

There is a play on words there, i can feel it.  Can I ask if this capitalization is in the book?


This darn quote keeps haunting me.  The way it is worded seems to "make" us think of a large book - 3 volumes, but what if it means something completely different?  

vol - definitions:

5 entries found for vol.
vol.
abbr.
volcano.
volume.
volunteer.


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vol·ca·no    ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (vl-kn)
n. pl. vol·ca·noes or vol·ca·nos

An opening in the earth's crust through which molten lava, ash, and gases are ejected.
A similar opening on the surface of another planet.
A mountain formed by the materials ejected from a volcano.


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[Italian, from Spanish volcán, or Portuguese volcão both probably from Latin volcnus, vulcnus, fire, flames, from Volcnus, Vulcan.]

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vol·un·teer    ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (vln-tîr)
n.
A person who performs or offers to perform a service voluntarily: an information booth staffed by volunteers; hospital volunteers.
Law.
A person who renders aid, performs a service, or assumes an obligation voluntarily.
A person who holds property under a deed made without consideration.
Botany. A cultivated plant growing from self-sown or accidentally dropped seed.

adj.
Being, consisting of, or done by volunteers: volunteer firefighters; volunteer tutoring.
Botany. Growing from self-sown or accidentally dropped seed. Used of a cultivated plant or crop.

v. vol·un·teered, vol·un·teer·ing, vol·un·teers
v. tr.
To give or offer to give voluntarily: volunteered their services; volunteer to give blood.

v. intr.
To perform or offer to perform a service of one's own free will.
To do charitable or helpful work without pay: Many retirees volunteer in community service and day care centers.

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3 volumes, 3 volcanos, 3 volunteers.....
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Re: verse 10

Postby FRSTPRZFA » Sun May 23, 2004 10:17 pm

I was just thinking there might be some play on the words in verse 10.. My thoughts are what if the isle of B is really the aisle of B.. In which case the Mall in Central Park could fit that description. Along the Mall from the South to the North is Burns - Bandshell - Beethoven - and Bethesda Terrace. I would say that would fit the Aisle of B. Also what if the word root is really route. A simple Route could be a small street or path..That would put a different spin on it altogether. Just food for thought.
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Re: verse 10

Postby fox » Sun May 23, 2004 10:21 pm

Arrgh FRSTPRZFA,

not more plays on words.  first cat finds the Vols and now this? :D  And I thought I was getting somewhere with this book,lol.

great idea on isle/aisle & roots/routes.  Back to the drawing board.
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Re: verse 10

Postby fox » Sun May 23, 2004 10:28 pm

also, while wracking my brain thinking back to the dark ages when I took geomotry...when you are finding the Volume of something, the measurements are cubed or times 3.  Could this be another measurement or could we be looking for a cube?  who knows, just thought I would add yet another twist to this V.
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Re: verse 10

Postby FRSTPRZFA » Mon May 24, 2004 1:12 am

What if the gray giant is Manhattan and the arm that extends is a bridge over a slender path. We also need to keep in mind that NYC includes Manhattan - Brooklyn - Bonx - Staten Island - and Queens. I do believe that Staten Island lies south of Brooklyn and Manhattan lies south of the Bronx. So if either the Bronx or Brooklyn were to be considered the Isle of B then that means we need to study Manhattan and Staten Island. If I had to choose either one to be considered the gray giant it would be Manhattan..  And don't for get that Brooklyn is also called Kings County...Just kicking stuff up hoping to create a spark.
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Re: verse 10

Postby FRSTPRZFA » Mon May 24, 2004 4:15 am

Well, thinking of Native Indians and Manhattan, and Hard Words,  the name Peter Minuit comes to mind. He was the man who bought Manhattan Island from the Native Indians with $24 dollars worth of beads.. There sure seems to be a lot of beads in the picture.. There is a granite stone in Battery Park in honor of him. And If the Lady in the picture is representing Manhattan, the Jewel seem to be at her feet. Battery Park is in the Foot (or lower part) of Manhattan.. And was also in the shadow of the Gray Giant if one of the Twin Towers was one of the Gray Giants..I am just speculating at this time, I do not even have the book yet so please bear with me. One more Question, I do not have all the verses yet, is everyone sure that Verse 10 goes with NY?
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Re: verse 10

Postby Dirdcpl » Tue May 25, 2004 4:34 am

Vol is also what they call the University of Tennessee football team...the 'VOLS" its also the nickname for Tennessee...hmmm...possible connection there...got my book and my group is working on this along with the whistle pig...Good luck everyone!
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Re: verse 10

Postby maltedfalcon » Wed May 26, 2004 6:01 pm

well sure is one thing,
but until we actually use a verse to find a casque

for instance,
in the northwest corner of Golden Gate Park there stands a large grey windmill its arms extend over many slender paths

I believe in the summer they actually used to let the windmill spin which might make a whirring noise.

lots of cars there at the intersection of Fulton and Great Highway

lots of possibilities for natives of Indies

I just never could find an Isle of B
if someone can think of an Isle of B this one could also then fit SF
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