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Postby Egbert » Tue May 13, 2003 4:02 pm

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See my post under the "pp.20-21" thread.  This is a tough picture with which to match a theme, along with pic 10.  After being fairly confident with matching the other 10 pictures to themes, it leaves me with only 2:

One should be:

February (no indication of time in either pic)
Amethyst (pic 11 --- is that gem purple though?)
Violet or Primrose (pic 11 has a purple flower, but it doesn't look like a violet or primrose, it looks more like Gladiolus)
German Theme
"Dwarves' treasure: purple Amethyst,
Imperial star of Germany."

The other should be:

August (ball glowing at 8 o'clock in pic 10?)
Peridot (are either of these gems green)
Gladiolus or Poppy (what is that flower in pic 10?)
Italian Theme
"Peridot of old Italy:
antique, and olivine, and rich."

This pic seems to have a "purple" theme, which would indicate Amethyst and Violet.  However, is that gem really purple?  It may be a Peridot.  Also, the flower doesn't look like a violet.  It looks like a Gladiolus.  http://www.westol.com/~pennwest/flowers/poppy.html

Does this pic remind anyone of Italy or Germany?  
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Re: image 11

Postby Egbert » Wed May 14, 2003 6:56 pm

In the "pp.20-21" thread, Fox and Shawn point out that the globes/circles in the pic add up to 8 (if you count the window), so that gives us August.  That's fine --- then the flower is a gladiolus, as I thought.  How about the gem, though?  For anyone who has the book --- is the gem an olive color?  It needs to be a Peridot, for this to be our "Italian" picture.

The bird has to be a clue --- anyone know what type it is?  Or perhaps it is from a famous painting?

The markings on the stone around the window are very faint --- would anyone who has the book be able to make out what they are?  I don't see any other clues in the picture. :(
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Re: image 11

Postby GPKing » Wed May 14, 2003 9:08 pm

In the book, the gem is definitely a green colored gem.
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Re: image 11

Postby fox » Thu May 15, 2003 8:39 am

The gem is definitely a Peridot.  For those without the book, here is a peridot which the book looks like: http://www.egemstones.com/peridot.gif

Everytime I see that darn bird I think of the statue in the movie "The Maltese Falcon" with Bogart but it really isnt similar.  The bird in the P could almost be any kind of preditory bird.  Here is a pic of a Perigrin Falcon.  http://members.lycos.co.uk/bejay1938/thumbs/Profile-perigrin1.jpg    The small rounded head, short hooked beak and even the coloration are quite similar.  Whether our P bird is a Perigrin or not is anybodies guess.  Now, why in the world would a bird have 1 foot raised in the air like that?  Also, is it just me or does anybody else think the "cheek" area of the mountain in P6 looks alot like our bird?  I've seen a few other shapes/symbols that appear in different P's as well.

The markings around the round window in the scanned photo are actually quite clear compared to the book.  Looking over both of them, I cant really see any major difference.

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Re: image 11

Postby Dan Amrich » Sun Jan 11, 2004 6:23 am

I have a few thoughts on this image.

First of all, I think you're absolutely right on August--I have the book and it definitely looks like a peridot.  But what I don't understand is why each picture is tied to a month...has that significance been understood yet, or is it just a matter of solvers having found a pattern without knowing what it means? It's clear that there is a months pattern, but I'm not sure if anybody has been able to suggest why that is significant. (I have a theory for this one...read on.)

I was immediately drawn to the carvings on the stone circle. I'm guessing they are code of some sort. Clockwise, there is a horizontal line that does not connect to anything visible (which we can probably assume is a continuation of the line at the other end of the wheel), then two vertical lines, one vertical line and a dot, a diagonal cut, a flag-shaped cut (or a backwards P if you'd like to use it for support for that theory), then another vertical line, and finally a vertical line 2/3 of the way up that changes direction into a horizontal line. Also the "flag" is exactly half the width of the part of the wall above it. I don't have a single idea what it could mean, but I am going on the hunch that it is a code of some sort.

Also, looking closely, there is a bracelet on the right (her left) wrist, but not on the other hand; what's more, there clearly appears to be a number 4 on the bracelet.

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I also suspect that the design on the dress's skirt is likely the same as a door or other artistic metal object at or near the burial location.  

Beyond that, I have a rather unusual theory on this picture. I was looking closely at some of the details, and I noticed this segment:

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Hidden among the outer petals, I see either letters or numbers. It could be "112" and "2" below it. Or it could be letters, which I immediately saw, as "LIZZ." With the last character on its own line, I actually read it as "LIZ - Zee" and, well, there's one famous Lizzie that came to mind--Borden, infamous suspect in one of America's most gruesome murders (she was found not guilty).  So I went to find a photo of Lizzie Borden on the web and here's what I found (I flopped the Lizzie image in Photoshop):

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Now, am I nuts, or are there some striking similarities? Secret woman's face is slimmer and her lips fuller--but the right eyebrow is the same, the nose is about the same, both heads are at a slight tilt, the smile is approximately the same. I got a little more creative in Photoshop and overlayed one picture on top of the other.

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Maybe any two faces look similar once you force yourself to want to see them as such? Beats me. I cannot find anything in any of the verses that implies details about the Borden case...but for the record, the murder took place not only in August, but on August 4 (bracelet).

http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/famous/borden/crime_2.html?sect=7
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Re: image 11

Postby The_Manley » Sun Jan 11, 2004 10:21 am

Wow, good job! I'm not sure about the Lizzee Borden face but who knows, where did all that take place? might be helpful to find out if Lizzee had blue eyes?.... I too noticed the bracelet with the "4", even though it is upside down (from her view point), I took this as the time piece in the picture... looks like a watch, left wrist, with a 4... the images near the flower, your "liz" may be something, they do seem to sit out there in space, and they don't seem consistent with the rest of the flower image.. keep up the good work!
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Re: image 11

Postby johann » Tue Jan 13, 2004 8:29 pm

Astonishing!
Can you do the same close-up work on the box she is holding and the vertical dress piece with a menagerie of design?
I have tried and tried to make sense of those parts and to no avail.  Such a post would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: image 11

Postby Dan Amrich » Wed Jan 14, 2004 6:57 am

Yes, I'll get some high-res scans of those other bits online ASAP. Unfortunately I have to go away on business for a day or two but I'll try to get them up over the weekend.
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Re: image 11

Postby The_Manley » Fri Jan 16, 2004 9:58 am

hey, if someone can tell me how to post a picture (jpg or bmp), I will be happy to post image clippings...
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Re: image 11

Postby Dan Amrich » Sat Jan 17, 2004 10:19 am

You have to find a server to host the images--in my case I have a small website so I'm just using a little space from that. Most ISPs offer a small amount of web or FTP storage space--even AOL gives you 3MB, which is plenty for stuff like this. Check with your ISP and see what they may already offer.

I will try to get some scans up tomorrow--I am back from my trip.
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Better late than never

Postby Dan Amrich » Tue Jan 20, 2004 12:56 am

Sorry for the delay, it's been a working weekend I'm afraid. Here are the close-ups of the dress and the box. I included the square icons around her neck and on either side of the dress design; I tried to match them up with nautical flags and I got a few letters but nothing that made sense. I think the left side of the dress spells OWL if you really make it; not all the symbols on the dress are exact matches to the standard nautical flags.

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Re: image 11

Postby Dan Amrich » Tue Jan 20, 2004 1:02 am

Oh, and I neglected to mention it in my earlier post, but the whole Lizzie Borden affair took place in Fall River Massachussetts. The site is on I-195, not too far from Providence, Rhode Island.

For whatever that might be worth.
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Re: image 11

Postby johann » Tue Jan 20, 2004 4:59 pm

Absolutely beautiful!!!  Thank you for all your work.
I thought I was about to find the second casque, but I am no more than "getting close."  Yet, this endeavor is advanced, but not resolved, by "close."  I cannot at this time make any sensible interpretation of the close-ups, but we may all be able to find something by way of persistent examination.
Again, golden kudos to you.
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Re: image 11

Postby The_Manley » Thu Jan 22, 2004 8:27 am

Hey great res on the pics! I just noticed that the ball (the round blue speckled ball) in the shot, is reflected in the bubble, it could be the clock in the image, I would have to call it 2:00 am (2:00 position, and the image depicts night time.
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Re: image 11

Postby johann » Thu Jan 22, 2004 9:35 pm

Yes!  There are a lot of 2:00 angles in this picture:
The relationship between the moon and the star in the big circle, the relationship between the fairy and the middle of the base of the box held by the woman.
I had been linking this picture to verse 7 to find a St. Louis treasure, but I now have doubts about whether or not this picture does pertain to St. Louis.  I am also beginning to question whether or not I have the correct verse.
Nevertheless, I do not know what other verse or picture could pertain to St. Louis.  I am trying to avoid reading into things what I want to find.
One thing I am sure about.  There is a casque in St. Louis.
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