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Postby Egbert » Tue May 13, 2003 3:48 pm

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I believe this image falls under the following theme:

January (1 o'clock)
Garnet
White Carnation
English Theme
"Fairies of England proudly bear
Garnet, crown-jewel of their Queen."
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Re: image 3

Postby Egbert » Tue Feb 03, 2004 5:26 pm

Dan's high res pics have really brought this image to life.  BTW, I believe this is really image 2 in the book, although we are calling it image 3.

Near the bottom right of the picture is a spoon with a pea in it.  I bet this is an actual work of art somewhere.  Time to do some searching..........

On the body of the armor appears to be an outline of something which has a hole on the right side.  Can't think of what this is, though.  My guess is that this pic has a lot of imagery reflecting the location of the casque, just like the Grant Park picture.  Notice the symbols on the armor body and arms, and the different left and right armor on the body (one has "stonework" and one doesn't).  Even the mouth has different left and right symbols on it.

Now for the delusional stuff.   ;)  Take a look at the hands.  The fingers seem to be indicating something.  The hand on the left side has its fingers showing the actual number 3 sideways (ignoring the finger not in the picture frame).  The fingers on the right hand look like "P" and then a sideways "v".  There are other possibilities too depending on which way you tilt your head, and how much coffee is in your system.   :)
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Re: image 3

Postby The_Manley » Wed Feb 04, 2004 10:29 am

Egbert, why do you say image 2? in book this is third image..
I like the hands, yes look like they mean something. Are the holes you are refereing to the "dents," 1 in the left abdomin, there is also on on the left arm. Always thought this picture might be a reference to a crucifix, the pose, along with the injury in the left abdomin..

One of my favorite images, so much detail!!!
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Re: image 3

Postby Egbert » Thu Feb 05, 2004 12:12 am

I don't have the book, and I don't remember the order.  I believe the high res scans call this image 2, but I could be wrong.

In any event, here are some links for the sculpture garden in Minneapolis:

http://www.artsconnected.org/search/art.cfm?DBowner=WAC&id=713
http://www.artsconnected.org/search/classroom.cfm?DBowner=WAC&id=77&nonav=no
http://www.theslowlane.com/91tripb/web.html
http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:mj1veI262mwJ:www.conmicro.cx/~kturtle/diaries/swed/photos/+sculpture+giant+spoon&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
http://daryllang.com/dogs/day01.html
http://www.walkerart.org/resources/res_msg_mapframe.html

Someone had mentioned the spoon with a cherry in another thread, and it seems to match.  The "dangling items" in the wire mesh sculpture (with columns) certainly parallel the dangling items in the armor pic.  Also, looking at that sculpture from above, it would look like the design on the mouth of the armor.

btw, yes, the "holes" to which I was referring are the dents in the armor.  I was thinking that we would see more matches with the armor somewhere in the sculpture garden, but I can't find any more.
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Re: image 3

Postby Egbert » Thu Feb 05, 2004 3:17 pm

The book was published before those sculptures existed. :-[


Oops!  Didn't catch that.  Oh well, back to the drawing board.  I originally thought that this picture related to Boston, anyway --- I will have to go back and look at my notes to see why.
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Re: image 3

Postby frishkie » Fri Feb 06, 2004 6:47 am

Reading recent posts finally led me to find my copy of the book the other day.  I am playing catch up, but the peaspoon would seem to link back to the Paul Revere connection with verse 3.  Revere was a silversmith who made peaspoons.  FWIW. :)
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Re: image 3

Postby geist » Fri Feb 06, 2004 3:02 pm

Did a quick search on Paul Revere and also on the lanterns warning about the british attack. Now I dont know much about america history so dont know if you all know this but Paul Revere was one of the people who warned about the attack after seeing the 2 lanterns

http://www.reclaimamerica.org/PAGES/NEW ... 20Abortion

So looks like this image and verse 3 are connected and about boston. The church is in the north end section of boston so i've got a link for different parts of it. So far I only have one guess of wher the starting postion could be.

Thucydides money came from gold (armour in image is gold) and wrote about the Peloponnesian War as well as being a general who lost a key city.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thucydides ... /THUCY.HTM

Xenophon knew Thucydides and also was a writer and some of his work is Anabasis and the Hellenica, which is a continuation of the history of Thucydides. He also seems to  have joined the Spartans aginst Athens which I think was where he was born.

Now where there any people seen as tratiors when the events of the british attack and if so anything to mark them e.g. statues. Or perhaps someone who wrote about it like Henry Wadsworth Longfellow. I know he is burried at Mount Auburn Cemetery Cambridgewhich is outside Boston also seems to be a park there. However I thnk its going ot be the old north we should look at.

This seems to be a good link but Ive no time to search deeply but it highlights places in the old north of boston
http://www.northendweb.com/history.html
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Re: image 3

Postby shawnvw » Tue Feb 24, 2004 8:40 pm

Take a look at the hands.  The fingers seem to be indicating something.  


So, don't any of you lot speak American Sign Language?  Anyone?

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Re: image 3

Postby catherwood » Wed Feb 25, 2004 7:17 pm

I know some ASL signs and fingerspelling.  The hands do not say anything to me.  However, i'm not fluent.  Do you think the puzzle setter is?
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Re: image 3

Postby shawnvw » Wed Feb 25, 2004 11:49 pm

Reading recent posts finally led me to find my copy of the book the other day.  I am playing catch up, but the peaspoon would seem to link back to the Paul Revere connection with verse 3.  Revere was a silversmith who made peaspoons.  FWIW. :)


I don't want to be critical, Frish, but is that the only reason we think this image represents Boston?  I realize that we have only one example to go by, but I don't remember any such...shall we say, "intricate" clues in that other picture pointing to Chicago; just a couple of well-known landmarks disguised as parts of a castle.
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Re: image 3

Postby Dan Amrich » Tue Mar 09, 2004 6:10 pm



So, don't any of you lot speak American Sign Language?  Anyone?

Shawn


Alas, no--but that doesn't mean I think you're off track.  :)
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Re: image 3

Postby catherwood » Mon May 10, 2004 9:41 pm

After spending a lot of time with Verse 11 leading me to Roanoke, i decided to scrutinize the images in search of a visual link.  How about the shape in the wall on the right side of Image 3, just to the knight's left side?

I cut out a section of the high-rez image to zoom in on what i mean.
http://catwood.leftbrained.org/TheSecre ... oanoke.jpg

Use MapQuest to zoom in on Roanoke Island, NC, or compare to this map:
http://www.insiders.com/outerbanks/map- ... island.htm

While I have your attention, there is a repeated theme on the armor that strikes me as an important symbol.  It is a circle (or oval) with two vertical lines which angle away at both ends.  Here is another look:

http://catwood.leftbrained.org/TheSecre ... ircles.jpg

They appear on the shoulder of the armour (on his left shoulder, our right side of the image) and is repeated on the center breastplate and even in each "elbow pit" as ovals.

Tell me i'm crazy, or help me find the international symbol for "dig here"!
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Re: image 3

Postby loph » Tue May 11, 2004 1:26 am

Cat,

thats a good connection between the island and that design.  but i still think image 3 points to Boston.  All the metal thats in the picture, the "crucifiction" pose of the armor, and the metal bells point to Paul Revere (he was a blaksmith) and the church theme of his freedom ride at midnight.

NOTE:  anyone please post any ideas you ahve about this pic being boston going along with verse 3
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Re: image 3

Postby shawnvw » Wed May 12, 2004 11:49 am

Cat,

thats a good connection between the island and that design.  but i still think image 3 points to Boston.  All the metal thats in the picture, the "crucifiction" pose of the armor, and the metal bells point to Paul Revere (he was a blaksmith) and the church theme of his freedom ride at midnight.

NOTE:  anyone please post any ideas you ahve about this pic being boston going along with verse 3


You're all probably tired of my naysaying, but I don't recall any "symbolic" clues in the centaur or castle pictures; just straightforward (although disguised) representations of things found in the neighborhood of the casques.  And Revere was a silversmith, not a blacksmith.
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Re: image 3

Postby loph » Wed May 12, 2004 12:25 pm

blacksmith, silversmith....its all the same to m :).   Anyway, the whole picture screams "metal worker", and thats what Revere was.  also, theres a huge bell that he made sitting in the courtyard of his house. not quite sure what that little "bat" looking critter is hanging off the left (our left) wrist off the armor.  also, on the left side of the pic, theres two bubbles and one bell.  on the right side, theres 2 bells and one bubble.  whats that all mean???  
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