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Re: Image 12/Verse 10-South Brooklyn

Postby gManTexas » Sat Aug 03, 2019 6:57 pm

I applaud you guys for digging. Not sure how many people on here would actually dig.

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Re: Image 12/Verse 10-South Brooklyn

Postby phrabbott » Sat Aug 03, 2019 9:18 pm

@davinci: Here are your Oliver St. "v" photos. I don't believe in it, and regret putting the idea in your head, but I will defend to my death your right to look into it ;)
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/k1qh8z2y4bak ... W_0ia?dl=0
Behind us is a really long staircase of oversized stairs. More than 22, surrounded by fence and 'forest' (as a little girl that was quite excited to go down the steps described it.)
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Re: Image 12/Verse 10-South Brooklyn

Postby Choice » Sat Aug 03, 2019 9:42 pm

Are those steps coming down from old glory pedestrian bridge? The curved ones on each side, how many steps (if steps)? 18 + 1?

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Re: Image 12/Verse 10-South Brooklyn

Postby davinci4 » Sat Aug 03, 2019 11:56 pm

Hi All. Just getting caught up here.

Thanks for taking and posting the photos of Oliver St. Rules out that location in my opinion. Very similar to JPJ: although some nice confirmers here and there, Oliver street doesn’t really have anything on the ground going for it.

The Fort Hamilton HS “v” looks very promising indeed. The photo you posted at the middle of the v, lines up almost perfectly with the clock and 22 steps right to the fence.

Looking back, this solve was created organically with no preconceived locations that were “retrofitted” with a solution. It was a step by step process, including/excluding locations based on the clues in the verse. Put it this way either you have identified the correct location or this one of the biggest coincidences in the history of solutions in the Secret. The fact that you are standing right in the middle of the v, lined up with the clock tower and take twenty two steps to the fence makes it hard to argue, especially when you can check off all the boxes in the verse that got you there.

NYC, phrabbot. A few questions: was SOL and bike path visible from the location? Whats the deal with lock, did someone leave it there as marker or did it actually lock something? More subjective, but was your general feel of the location? Preiss traveled all over the country to hide these, was it “Secret worthy” in your opinion?
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Re: Image 12/Verse 10-South Brooklyn

Postby leighanny » Sun Aug 04, 2019 12:37 am

Choice wrote:Are those steps coming down from old glory pedestrian bridge? The curved ones on each side, how many steps (if steps)? 18 + 1?

https://tinyurl.com/y4ef7ol4

The steps from the pedestrian bridge actually go up to Old Glory. I've been there many times, but I'm not sure how many steps there are.

Love this South Brooklyn thread. This is where I think the casque is buried as well. Great work here.
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Re: Image 12/Verse 10-South Brooklyn

Postby Choice » Sun Aug 04, 2019 12:48 am

Cool leighanny, so it's a high vantage point to look north or south (down) from.

up north down south back east out west
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Re: Image 12/Verse 10-South Brooklyn

Postby leighanny » Sun Aug 04, 2019 1:02 am

Choice wrote:Cool leighanny, so it's a high vantage point to look north or south (down) from.

Yes. When you cross the ped bridge and reach the bottom of Old Glory, you'd be able to see the SOL (it would be very small and hard to make out, but the view would have been unobstructed) to the north from there, except for a tree which I'm fairly certain wasn't there in the early 80s. If you take the steps up to the top of Old Glory, even more so. My best guess for this NY casque is at the top of Old Glory. I think I posted my theory somewhere here a while back.
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Re: Image 12/Verse 10-South Brooklyn

Postby NYCNative » Sun Aug 04, 2019 1:19 am

davinci4 wrote:Hi All. Just getting caught up here.

Thanks for taking and posting the photos of Oliver St. Rules out that location in my opinion. Very similar to JPJ: although some nice confirmers here and there, Oliver street doesn’t really have anything on the ground going for it.

The Fort Hamilton HS “v” looks very promising indeed. The photo you posted at the middle of the v, lines up almost perfectly with the clock and 22 steps right to the fence.

Looking back, this solve was created organically with no preconceived locations that were “retrofitted” with a solution. It was a step by step process, including/excluding locations based on the clues in the verse. Put it this way either you have identified the correct location or this one of the biggest coincidences in the history of solutions in the Secret. The fact that you are standing right in the middle of the v, lined up with the clock tower and take twenty two steps to the fence makes it hard to argue, especially when you can check off all the boxes in the verse that got you there.

NYC, phrabbot. A few questions: was SOL and bike path visible from the location? Whats the deal with lock, did someone leave it there as marker or did it actually lock something? More subjective, but was your general feel of the location? Preiss traveled all over the country to hide these, was it “Secret worthy” in your opinion?


Only speaking for myself here.

I feel that we got one extra possible clue from going to the site that we have to work on to see if it is helpful or even valid.
As far as the view, there are plenty of shrubs and small trees that will block the view to the SOL from the spot of the dig. Who knows what was there or not there in 1981.
Other then that, we have a great view of the clock, flagpole, rectangle, and a few items not talked about yet. The line up is strong enough to want to go back again and fully explore the area.

Based on the research and brainstorming we have done here and on the discord and other conversation, I really think this is our most promising spot to date. Not only did we complete the verse as best as we can but we also have been able to use the Japanese clues to confirm it all. I do not imagine the lock has anything to do with the solve. It is probably just a random artifact. It is hard to deny the location with everything right there to see. The dig spot has elements that reminds me of Chicago's final location. The 22 steps seems to have even worked out well. Just more things to make me more interested in the site.
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Re: Image 12/Verse 10-South Brooklyn

Postby NYCNative » Sun Aug 04, 2019 1:28 am

leighanny wrote:
Choice wrote:Cool leighanny, so it's a high vantage point to look north or south (down) from.

Yes. When you cross the ped bridge and reach the bottom of Old Glory, you'd be able to see the SOL (it would be very small and hard to make out, but the view would have been unobstructed) to the north from there, except for a tree which I'm fairly certain wasn't there in the early 80s. If you take the steps up to the top of Old Glory, even more so. My best guess for this NY casque is at the top of Old Glory. I think I posted my theory somewhere here a while back.


Hi Leighanny,

I wouldn't rule out Old Glory at all but I for one have a hard time figuring out why it would be there and what would actually lead us there? I know you are very familiar with the area and what is in it. I just do not see how any of them match up to the verse or really to the image (although so much is left unanswered in the image). Just like anything else in this game, if you want to make it fit, you will find connections.
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Re: Image 12/Verse 10-South Brooklyn

Postby gManTexas » Sun Aug 04, 2019 1:39 am

NYCNative wrote:
leighanny wrote:
Choice wrote:Cool leighanny, so it's a high vantage point to look north or south (down) from.

Yes. When you cross the ped bridge and reach the bottom of Old Glory, you'd be able to see the SOL (it would be very small and hard to make out, but the view would have been unobstructed) to the north from there, except for a tree which I'm fairly certain wasn't there in the early 80s. If you take the steps up to the top of Old Glory, even more so. My best guess for this NY casque is at the top of Old Glory. I think I posted my theory somewhere here a while back.


Hi Leighanny,

I wouldn't rule out Old Glory at all but I for one have a hard time figuring out why it would be there and what would actually lead us there? I know you are very familiar with the area and what is in it. I just do not see how any of them match up to the verse or really to the image (although so much is left unanswered in the image). Just like anything else in this game, if you want to make it fit, you will find connections.


If I'm correct isn't Old Glory a couple hundred feet away from FHHS and basically in a chain of parks right there? Assuming the casque is in the vicinity, why couldn't it play into the puzzle?
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Re: Image 12/Verse 10-South Brooklyn

Postby phrabbott » Sun Aug 04, 2019 2:04 am

davinci wrote:The photo you posted at the middle of the v, lines up almost perfectly with the clock and 22 steps right to the fence.

Well, I lined that up. Tried to think like a puzzle person trying to come up with recreatable results. Was it close to the middle of the v? Sure. This is my problem with the 22 steps from the middle of one branch of the v. What's the middle of the v? If you're off by 6" then you're not going to find it. Should we be bringing our laser distance measures? And if you take 22 steps or more, then you don't have a definitive end. (here, the fence worked, but elsewhere?) That's two unknowns. This is why I'm a vehement supporter of "taking 22 East steps or more. And then from the middle of one branch of the v you look down/north." That's the only interpretation that gives you a definitive start and end. (start=a path that goes eastward as opposed to another direction. End is the middle of one branch of a v. "end" is either part of the east path or something the path leads you to) No, this isn't overthinking it. The other interpretation just doesn't put you anywhere of value any way you shake it.

gManTexas wrote:If I'm correct isn't Old Glory a couple hundred feet away from FHHS and basically in a chain of parks right there? Assuming the casque is in the vicinity, why couldn't it play into the puzzle?

At least a 5 minute walk. You'd need a good reason to head that way. That being said, this particular full "theory path" takes you through Old Glory on the way to the high school.

leighanny wrote:My best guess for this NY casque is at the top of Old Glory.

Statue of liberty isn't super small in my opinion. It's pretty clear from all points on shore park (where there aren't trees). Ellis island is barely visible, however. I would definitively rule out the top of old glory as every planter zone is bricked in right up to the trees and 100% undiggable. Surprised you didn't count those steps though...

davinci wrote:A few questions: was SOL and bike path visible from the location? More subjective, but was your general feel of the location? Preiss traveled all over the country to hide these, was it “Secret worthy” in your opinion?

Hard to say. Tons more shrubs and trees than there used to be. What's secret worthy? A random field next to a railroad behind a statue of Lincoln? If that's the benchmark, then sure. I have no expectations based on the two actual finds. They were both pretty lame areas as far as 'views' or whatnot.
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Re: Image 12/Verse 10-South Brooklyn

Postby davinci4 » Sun Aug 04, 2019 2:08 am

Hi All. Just wanted to jump in here. Goes back to my Oliver Street/JPJ realization. What ground confirmers point to Old Glory? Are there any markers at that site that could be influences in the painting? As far as the verse, I am not seeing a v or wouldn’t understand why he would use the HS as a riddle in the verse if it were buried at Old Glory. To reverse it, if Preiss had buried it at Old Glory wouldn’t he have used the inscription on the monument in the verse or parts of the monument in the painting?

These are great conversations to have, the Secret’s version of the “Socratic Method” if you will. Similar ones have helped us get to this point (please see previous discussions about Oliver Street).

NYC. Forgot to mention the rectangle. It’s actually the lighter gray negative space that surrounds that makes the comparison to the grounds in front of the HS more compelling.

Phrabbot, I see what you are saying about 22 steps from the v, but could you clarify the “two unknowns”?
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Re: Image 12/Verse 10-South Brooklyn

Postby phrabbott » Sun Aug 04, 2019 2:20 am

davinci4 wrote:but could you clarify the “two unknowns”?

Did I not?

1. Where do you start? Middle of one branch of the v. What's that mean? Where do I measure from and to? You have to be extremely exact to find a 6" casque. And then you have to walk DUE EAST and not veer at all. That's madness. Paved paths don't have a line saying "start here."
2. Where do you end? 22 steps or more? Again, due east or you will surely be more than 6" off over 22 steps. Ok... We can pretend that something will stop us, but that can't be relied on.

That's why the other interpretation takes care of all of these variables. You take an eastward path and you stay on said path for 22 steps or more. (11 real big stairs? 22 stairs? who knows, but either way there's a definitive answer.) Then from the middle of one branch of a v you look down and north and dig a hole. Maybe the 22 steps or more IS one and the same with the middle of the v. You're significantly closer than the other interpretation that has so much room for error. (obviously, this interpretation can't be used in front of FHHS)

All of this is why I decided the middle of the v was where the flagpole lined up with the clock. Otherwise we're just shooting in the dark and might as well get a bobcat and rip up the entire lawn.
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Re: Image 12/Verse 10-South Brooklyn

Postby Choice » Sun Aug 04, 2019 2:44 am

Colors in the dot window panels are A connection to old glory. Note that only red, white and blue and combination of them are present.
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Re: Image 12/Verse 10-South Brooklyn

Postby davinci4 » Sun Aug 04, 2019 2:59 am

Choice wrote:Colors in the dot window panels are A connection to old glory. Note that only red, white and blue and combination of them are present.


Choice. The red bubbles are 85th (or 83th) street!!! :) I have an original version of the book and the “83 st.” actually shows up quite well. Best way to look at is to picture the red/orange bubbles as negative space. The smallest bubbles are negative space as well. So the different colors and size ratios help conceal the hidden message. The remaining light pink/light violet color bubbles that make up the “83 st.” show up well. I actually think what you originally thought was a “5” is a large “3”
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