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Postby XeroDM » Wed May 08, 2019 4:17 am

TreasureBloke wrote:25 minute vid:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIriklgLBMg

Criticism is welcome. Be kind.


Looks like you've put some work into it...
Have you looked into the history of the park and elements? Most parks we're dealing with have had major changes throughout the last 30+ years. Much caution needs to be made to looking at a park as it is today, but not thinking about how the park(s) were in the early 1980's. More importantly, muddy patches come and go, and trees grow and are removed. 35 years will allow a fair amount of tree growth, so the landscape will be vastly different than it was a while ago. Even considering a tree's shadow or a muddy patch is shaky at best.

As for the rest, it's all very vague, with lots of possibilities (i.e. the eyes of the Fort Sumter could have been lamp posts, man hole covers, etc.), the "shadow" of the flagpole was assumed to be at 6pm (downwards). If we assume that Preiss wanted us to find the treasure, we can assume that there are possibilities, but as we work through the puzzle, some "paths" along the solve will be negated due to that possibility being wrong. If there weren't red herring possibilities, they'd have been found by now. Essentially, when you're on the right path, everything else will not make sense or be less likely to be correct, and the vagueness will disappear. I liken it to someone telling you that a treasure is in a large field. Vague. Difficult to dig up. Fine if you don't want people to dig it up, but not if you do. If you are then told that it's in a corner, then the bulk of the field is taken out. No matter what else is said, we know we need to be in a corner. Still too vague though... which corner, how far from the corner, etc. And the refinement goes on, and we eventually come to a point that is accurate. Accurate being the key word. The casque is less than 1 foot square, so the end point needs to be pretty small to ensure that we get to 2-4 foot square as an end point. Or else... buy a backhoe and start levelling city parks to 3 foot deep to cover all bases...

It might be a good exercise for you to pick Hampton Park, do some reearch and redo your same theory on that park. If you come up with a point that you think is correct, you're still too vague because you can't rule out all other places in Charleston... That's what I have been doing... It shows how vague and loose your theories are...

Keep hunting!
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Re: image 2

Postby TreasureBloke » Thu May 09, 2019 4:25 pm

XeroDM wrote:
TreasureBloke wrote:25 minute vid:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIriklgLBMg

Criticism is welcome. Be kind.


Looks like you've put some work into it...
Have you looked into the history of the park and elements? Most parks we're dealing with have had major changes throughout the last 30+ years. Much caution needs to be made to looking at a park as it is today, but not thinking about how the park(s) were in the early 1980's. More importantly, muddy patches come and go, and trees grow and are removed. 35 years will allow a fair amount of tree growth, so the landscape will be vastly different than it was a while ago. Even considering a tree's shadow or a muddy patch is shaky at best.

As for the rest, it's all very vague, with lots of possibilities (i.e. the eyes of the Fort Sumter could have been lamp posts, man hole covers, etc.), the "shadow" of the flagpole was assumed to be at 6pm (downwards). If we assume that Preiss wanted us to find the treasure, we can assume that there are possibilities, but as we work through the puzzle, some "paths" along the solve will be negated due to that possibility being wrong. If there weren't red herring possibilities, they'd have been found by now. Essentially, when you're on the right path, everything else will not make sense or be less likely to be correct, and the vagueness will disappear. I liken it to someone telling you that a treasure is in a large field. Vague. Difficult to dig up. Fine if you don't want people to dig it up, but not if you do. If you are then told that it's in a corner, then the bulk of the field is taken out. No matter what else is said, we know we need to be in a corner. Still too vague though... which corner, how far from the corner, etc. And the refinement goes on, and we eventually come to a point that is accurate. Accurate being the key word. The casque is less than 1 foot square, so the end point needs to be pretty small to ensure that we get to 2-4 foot square as an end point. Or else... buy a backhoe and start levelling city parks to 3 foot deep to cover all bases...

It might be a good exercise for you to pick Hampton Park, do some reearch and redo your same theory on that park. If you come up with a point that you think is correct, you're still too vague because you can't rule out all other places in Charleston... That's what I have been doing... It shows how vague and loose your theories are...

Keep hunting!


Well in the video I mention the replacement of the capstan so yes I did look at the history of the park.

I have had to rush this video out. And there are some spaces that I indicate. And I do give precise measurements in terms of meterage however. Also some of the lines are accurate and some are general. The general ones relate to the ' beside '. Remember without being there with some equipment it can be hard to place at exact locations. Also Remember that that park is a big space narrowing it down to a few reasonable patches not too bad. Remember you can multiple probe an area and search down and borescope.

Multiple meanings are possible in the verses. Sometimes they are meant I feel. Sometimes they are a subjective coincidence. I present them all for people to consider.

I have to do a short follow up video as I've had another epiphany. I am on the right track though in thid vid.
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Re: image 2

Postby TreasureBloke » Thu May 09, 2019 4:25 pm

XeroDM wrote:
TreasureBloke wrote:25 minute vid:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIriklgLBMg

Criticism is welcome. Be kind.


Looks like you've put some work into it...
Have you looked into the history of the park and elements? Most parks we're dealing with have had major changes throughout the last 30+ years. Much caution needs to be made to looking at a park as it is today, but not thinking about how the park(s) were in the early 1980's. More importantly, muddy patches come and go, and trees grow and are removed. 35 years will allow a fair amount of tree growth, so the landscape will be vastly different than it was a while ago. Even considering a tree's shadow or a muddy patch is shaky at best.

As for the rest, it's all very vague, with lots of possibilities (i.e. the eyes of the Fort Sumter could have been lamp posts, man hole covers, etc.), the "shadow" of the flagpole was assumed to be at 6pm (downwards). If we assume that Preiss wanted us to find the treasure, we can assume that there are possibilities, but as we work through the puzzle, some "paths" along the solve will be negated due to that possibility being wrong. If there weren't red herring possibilities, they'd have been found by now. Essentially, when you're on the right path, everything else will not make sense or be less likely to be correct, and the vagueness will disappear. I liken it to someone telling you that a treasure is in a large field. Vague. Difficult to dig up. Fine if you don't want people to dig it up, but not if you do. If you are then told that it's in a corner, then the bulk of the field is taken out. No matter what else is said, we know we need to be in a corner. Still too vague though... which corner, how far from the corner, etc. And the refinement goes on, and we eventually come to a point that is accurate. Accurate being the key word. The casque is less than 1 foot square, so the end point needs to be pretty small to ensure that we get to 2-4 foot square as an end point. Or else... buy a backhoe and start levelling city parks to 3 foot deep to cover all bases...

It might be a good exercise for you to pick Hampton Park, do some reearch and redo your same theory on that park. If you come up with a point that you think is correct, you're still too vague because you can't rule out all other places in Charleston... That's what I have been doing... It shows how vague and loose your theories are...

Keep hunting!


Well in the video I mention the replacement of the capstan so yes I did look at the history of the park.

I have had to rush this video out. And there are some spaces that I indicate. And I do give precise measurements in terms of meterage however. Also some of the lines are accurate and some are general. The general ones relate to the ' beside '. Remember without being there with some equipment it can be hard to place at exact locations. Also Remember that that park is a big space narrowing it down to a few reasonable patches not too bad. Remember you can multiple probe an area and search down and borescope.

Multiple meanings are possible in the verses. Sometimes they are meant I feel. Sometimes they are a subjective coincidence. I present them all for people to consider.

I have to do a short follow up video as I've had another epiphany. I am on the right track though in thid vid.
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Re: image 2

Postby UnprovenFact » Fri May 10, 2019 1:02 am

Missed it by THAT much...

It appears White Point Garden has been dug...for the first, and last, time.

Where the sandy path was once hard-packed, it is loose and appears freshly tilled. Where once there weren't holes, there appears to now be. The remaining depression leaves one wondering if an object has been removed.

I guess we will have to wait and see.
What do you mean it's not there? It has to be there... Unless it is somewhere else.
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Re: image 2

Postby burnstyle » Fri May 10, 2019 1:30 am

UnprovenFact wrote:Missed it by THAT much...

It appears White Point Garden has been dug...for the first, and last, time.

Where the sandy path was once hard-packed, it is loose and appears freshly tilled. Where once there weren't holes, there appears to now be. The remaining depression leaves one wondering if an object has been removed.

I guess we will have to wait and see.



Soooooo many diggers went down there last weekend to watch the show. If something had been found you would know.
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Re: image 2

Postby TreasureBloke » Fri May 10, 2019 2:02 am

UnprovenFact wrote:Missed it by THAT much...

It appears White Point Garden has been dug...for the first, and last, time.

Where the sandy path was once hard-packed, it is loose and appears freshly tilled. Where once there weren't holes, there appears to now be. The remaining depression leaves one wondering if an object has been removed.

I guess we will have to wait and see.


Sandy path?

With the epiphany that I have had over the last couple of days I'm thinking under the gnarly branch tip center screen also the nexus of lines:
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7698338 ... 312!8i6656


Or possibly:
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7698339 ... 312!8i6656
The sort of vertical area strip where it is a bit sandy as that was the nexus of lines again.

Was another tempter for me under the branch due to the first part of my latest epiphany:
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7698113 ... 312!8i6656

I sort of moused over those first two areas in this post toward the end of the video but the first link I have tied to more meaning recently.

Is sandy path on the opposite side of the tree in the last link near Jasper?
Post google map views of the areas disturbed like I did.


Also come to think of it Josh Gates went to the artist exhibition in Ohio and probably showed him the cask if they found it for dramatic effect <Jump cut/swooshy tabloid television music>.
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Re: image 2

Postby maltedfalcon » Fri May 10, 2019 3:53 am

TreasureBloke wrote:
With the epiphany that I have had over the last couple of days I'm thinking under the gnarly branch tip .


while rates are different for every tree,
a live oak branch can gain 24 inches or more in a single growing season,

You do realize that the casque was buried 38 years ago...
24" x 38 years... 76 feet of growth....
2 category 4 hurricanes
and at least 5 tropical storms....
That you are considering "Under the gnarly branch tip""
The trees you are looking at really look nothing like they did in 1981
they have undoubtedly been pruned cultivated,trimmed and sometimes even replaced.
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Re: image 2

Postby TreasureBloke » Fri May 10, 2019 3:59 am

maltedfalcon wrote:
TreasureBloke wrote:
With the epiphany that I have had over the last couple of days I'm thinking under the gnarly branch tip .


while rates are different for every tree,
a live oak branch can gain 24 inches or more in a single growing season,

You do realize that the casque was buried 38 years ago...
24" x 38 years... 76 feet of growth....
2 category 4 hurricanes
and at least 5 tropical storms....
That you are considering "Under the gnarly branch tip""
The trees you are looking at really look nothing like they did in 1981
they have undoubtedly been pruned cultivated,trimmed and sometimes even replaced.


Sort of, it was merely a convenient way to say where it was.
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Re: image 2

Postby maltedfalcon » Sat May 18, 2019 2:55 am

renovator wrote:
then why in the world would he ever have been afraid that all of the treasures would be found within a matter of months?

Quite simply, he wasn't. What he said was that if the puzzles proved to be too easy, and they were solved in a couple of months, his publisher would be mad at him or words to that effect. I suspect that he knew he had created a puzzle that would take some time to solve completely, and as we continue to find out, he was correct.

Hate to jump back in time like this but I missed something the first time around
"his publisher" Who would that be? He was the publisher. Bantam was just the contracted printer....
Do you know how exactly he worded it ? I can't find it.
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Postby renovator » Sat May 18, 2019 7:13 pm

Do you know how exactly he worded it ? I can't find it.

I couldn't find it either, which is why I said "words to that effect". The implication, as I recall, was that there were others who would be adversely affected by weak sales if the puzzles were solved too quickly and that he was afraid of letting them down. However, as I said, I do not think for one moment that he shared that concern, and he never said that the puzzle was easy. Just that some are easy and some are hard. And that he expected at least one treasure to be found within 30 days.
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Postby dosethree » Mon May 20, 2019 12:57 pm

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Postby renovator » Mon May 20, 2019 4:41 pm

Thanks, but that's not the article that I was thinking about. Still, this one mentions the "front money from his publishers" so perhaps those were the people that he was referring to in the other article. The people who would be mad at him.
Then there is this:
"Preiss says some of the puzzles are easy, and some are hard. He expects at least one treasure to be unearthed within 30 days.", which fits the narrative.
And then this:
"Others, of course, may never be found.", which does not.
Interestingly, neither is a direct quote from Preiss and while I'm sure he said the first , I really doubt that he said the second. I mean, if you are trying to sell a book, telling potential readers that some of the puzzles can not be solved isn't the smartest marketing strategy.
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Re: image 2

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Re: image 2

Postby Macfos » Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:28 pm

Thanks Tater!

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