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Re: verse 8

Postby erexere » Sun Dec 09, 2018 2:52 pm

You know I get an odd word play sort of idea about the term rotunda... It reminds me of the word tundra possibly a anagram even which might be workable as a strange Snow White connection.

O TUNDRA = ROTUNDA
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Re: verse 8

Postby gManTexas » Sun Dec 09, 2018 4:17 pm

erexere wrote:You know I get an odd word play sort of idea about the term rotunda... It reminds me of the word tundra possibly a anagram even which might be workable as a strange Snow White connection.

O TUNDRA = ROTUNDA


This makes no sense at all.
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Re: verse 8

Postby erexere » Sun Dec 09, 2018 4:33 pm

It only make sense if an anagram is an applicable building block, the dwarven theme draws from a well known Grimm tale, the definition of tundra incorporating the "snow white" idea, and whether the rotunda of Plankington was Byron's target for some purpose which is currently unclear....so yeah, I take that back, it makes no sense.

I think we're talking about paying tribute to the Brothers Grimm here.
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Re: verse 8

Postby GoldenMartyr » Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:05 pm

I'm sure that most would agree that Byron Preiss was highly educated, well read, and a bit of a pioneer in his industry. Being somewhat of the opposite, it always bothered me that he recycles words in some verses. I send emails all day long and constantly attempt to clean up my repetitive text. It seems an industry professional would rethink his writing.....unless it was done with intent.

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The repeated key words are three, distance, and foot. After determining the southern foot, this provides an instruction to use a three foot distance from it when digging.

I am becoming increasingly convinced that each end spot will be manipulated in some way based on instructions or a theme in their respective puzzle.
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Re: verse 8

Postby erexere » Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:07 pm

I like.
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Re: verse 8

Postby XeroDM » Thu Jun 13, 2019 12:11 am

GoldenMartyr wrote:I am becoming increasingly convinced that each end spot will be manipulated in some way based on instructions or a theme in their respective puzzle.


Would be good to look at other verses and see how this repeats.
I'm also interested in doing a bit more linguistic analysis of the verses. The word choice seems very (I mean overly) deliberate. If you look at the verses, there is a rhyming structure in them, but it's often shifted (every line rather than every second line) or broken (1 or more lines that don't rhyme). As a writer, you have a pretty good choice of words to begin with (i.e. giant, huge, massive, etc.), but as a puzzle maker, you have to make the pieces fit. The more pieces you cram in, the more spaces left over that require a certain piece to fit. Preiss would have been limited along the way and potentially stuck using certain words in certain places, and would need to break things like rhyme, meter, or even potentially having to repeat words. Try and make one of these puzzles for yourself, and you will start to see where things have to be, and words have to be used. Then you start to see what's important... these aberrant words or structures.
When it comes to hiding distances like GM's 3 foot distance... they need to be hidden, but not needle in a haystack hidden, so it makes sense that you repeat the word a few times and it would start to pop in a reader's mind. It's easier to find a needle in a haystack when the stack is 20% needles...
I'm also interested in looking at words that seem to be unusual to use in a definite set of directions, in particular "Or" (used twice in the Charleston verse, and also in NY and Roanoak), and "If" Boston verse 3. Why use these words if you are trying to direct people, show people markers, etc.? Seems strange language to use in the context that it is used. There may be another reason why he's using such language, and it may be important to working the puzzle.
Will be interesting to see where this line of thinking goes GM.
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Re: verse 8

Postby GoldenMartyr » Thu Jun 13, 2019 12:27 am

I believe there is definitely more to be found and or shared. St. Augustine provides a plain as day acrostic... SELOY... yet super vague dig instructions, At the base of a tall tree...but wait, look at the first letters of the dig instruction line. AT BOAT T. Clever, an obvious acrostic hints at a less obvious one.
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Re: verse 8

Postby GoldenMartyr » Thu Jun 13, 2019 12:29 am

No, no Durian. That type of thinking is not at all the same.
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Re: verse 8

Postby Choice » Thu Jun 13, 2019 12:36 am

Dang, those steps get gianter and gianter! It was 10 yards a few days ago.
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Re: verse 8

Postby GoldenMartyr » Thu Jun 13, 2019 12:50 pm

Durian wrote:
GoldenMartyr wrote:No, no Durian. That type of thinking is not at all the same.


Why not?


The two examples that I shared are contained within the puzzle. They require one to decipher them, not guess.

My first example - Three foot distance - repeated words seem out of place - when combined, repeated words show dig instruction distance from southern foot

My second example - clear acrostic in last 5 lines of v9 - SELOY - notice vague dig instructions - At The Base Of A Tall Tree - Wait, there is another acrostic, fun!(I wish that I could flip that last T for you)

Durian's example - Giant appears twice, starting consecutive lines - There is a book about a giant called Gulliver's Travels- The book explains how Gulliver estimates the distance of a giant's stride. - each step except the first is random. You choose a book based on a single word then proceed to choose a random portion of the book with no direction to do so.

Could Giant and Giant be another clue, yes absolutely. Giant + Giant = Giants - SF has a baseball team called The Giants - a pole in baseball is a bat - a step is to steal - look for a steel bat.

The above Giant example is only there to show logical progression vs random. I am not saying we should be looking for a steel bat, although, please check it out if you happen to find one. Also, a good way to call out a book is to use a quote, which Byron does in The Secret.

Hope that helps!
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Re: verse 8

Postby burnstyle » Thu Jun 13, 2019 1:30 pm

If you are looking for a way to measure a pole and a step, Wouldnt it be easier to say: "a pole and a step are units of Roman measurement"

Then use those measurements?
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Re: verse 8

Postby MERLIN » Thu Jun 13, 2019 2:57 pm

what if the whole thing is some kind of twisted word play and we should actually be looking for a Giant steeple -step+pole. Hence the meaning of the backwards G on the robe and the religious blue outlining in the image?
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Re: verse 8

Postby animal painter » Thu Jun 13, 2019 3:12 pm

Should this discussion of poles and giant steps be moved to verse 7 before it overwhelms verse 8?
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Re: verse 8

Postby GoldenMartyr » Thu Jun 13, 2019 3:14 pm

animal painter wrote:Should this discussion of poles and giant steps be moved to verse 7 before it overwhelms verse 8?

So sorry.
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Re: verse 8

Postby burnstyle » Thu Jun 13, 2019 3:35 pm

animal painter wrote:Should this discussion of poles and giant steps be moved to verse 7 before it overwhelms verse 8?


Welcome to post EU secret. Where everything's made up and the numbers dont matter

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