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Re: Image 6 and other ramblings

Postby burnstyle » Wed Aug 14, 2019 12:46 am

Choice has admittedly pissed of a lot of people here, but he has never... not once, shown me any sort of hostility, or insulted me in any way.


I have no reason to think he would start now.


It takes a hell of a lot to irritate me. But you have.

Congratulations.
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Re: Image 6 and other ramblings

Postby Choice » Wed Aug 14, 2019 12:52 am

burnstyle wrote:Choice has admittedly pissed of a lot of people here, but he has never... not once, shown me any sort of hostility, or insulted me in any way.


I have no reason to think he would start now.


It takes a hell of a lot to irritate me. But you have.

Congratulations.


I have no reason to. You've always been civil.
I don't know what the deal is with that guy, trying to cause conflict by making things up.
This site is not monetized since you don't see any advertisement. So any additional traffic to the site will only increase owner's server storage cost; and he's not accepting new users per his announcement. So none of this makes sense.
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Re: Image 6 and other ramblings

Postby maltedfalcon » Wed Aug 14, 2019 3:27 am

WilliamTater wrote:
maltedfalcon wrote:Yeah... not buying any of that...


Postby four21thrasher » Fri Jul 12, 2019 5:50 pm

MaltedFalcon wrote:
The authors of the book were Sean Kelly<snip>
This by far surpasses the stupidest thing I have read on this forum. An outright lie by a "lt"... isn't the first, won't be the last. <snip>

four21thrasher<snip>


Oh ok, It took me a bit to understand your convulted logic, you are saying I am liar, because 421 said I lied. I get it...
but you missed, that was my opinion and still is my opinion - so nope sorry, not a lie.... 421s opinion aside...

Here are some straight up lies for you though...
WilliamTater » Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:21 am --Been using a program not dissimilar from LiDAR to peel away the layers of paint. i guess the artist repainted at least a few times, I even saw BP initial indications for changes.

WilliamTater » Fri Jul 12, 2019 3:00 pm
Matt, we've known each other for years. You can do better.

Lol..Matt..we talked two days ago..in person!


Mark - you are a pathological liar and a troll.
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Re: Image 6 and other ramblings

Postby Choice » Wed Aug 14, 2019 4:15 am

He has a history full of lies here. Under different names and personas.
He even claimed to be a Buddhist then posted violent and offensive comments under C.Zossima, the self-published author!
He's sore that I'm not shy to call him on his hypocrisy and madness.
So this is his convoluted way of getting back at me and as usual with the Megamind's plans they blowup on his face!
I think we should just put this unpleasantness behind us and move on.
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Re: Image 6 and other ramblings

Postby maltedfalcon » Wed Aug 14, 2019 4:24 am

Choice wrote:I think we should just put this unpleasantness behind us and move on.


Good Plan!
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Re: Image 6 and other ramblings

Postby burnstyle » Wed Aug 14, 2019 5:00 am

A while back I emailed Mark and offered to take over the financial burden of q4t, either by paying his hosting or hosting it myself. I asked (or offered or whatever) to take myself completely out of it (because I would be admittedly biased) and asked to institute impartial moderators. People like Catherwood, or whiterabbit, forest, or egbert.

Mark declined the offer. I wish he hadn't.

Q4T could really benefit from people like them moderating it. People who love the hunt, but haven't chosen a side so they wouldn't, and couldn't be accused of trying to lord over the place. or turn it into a new wiki. People who care enough about the community to step in when needed and make a level headed group based decision about ongoing problems.

Thats something this place desperately needs. The mass exodus of members is still happening, and will continue. While some people may talk publicly about how they don't care... deep down we all know its a bad thing. Deep down we all know Q4T won't last much longer without someone stepping in.

I'd hate to see Marks warning come true. I'd hate to wake up one day and q4t is just gone.
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Re: Image 6 and other ramblings

Postby gManTexas » Wed Aug 14, 2019 5:41 am

burnstyle wrote:A while back I emailed Mark and offered to take over the financial burden of q4t, either by paying his hosting or hosting it myself. I asked (or offered or whatever) to take myself completely out of it (because I would be admittedly biased) and asked to institute impartial moderators. People like Catherwood, or whiterabbit, forest, or egbert.

Mark declined the offer. I wish he hadn't.

Q4T could really benefit from people like them moderating it. People who love the hunt, but haven't chosen a side so they wouldn't, and couldn't be accused of trying to lord over the place. or turn it into a new wiki. People who care enough about the community to step in when needed and make a level headed group based decision about ongoing problems.

Thats something this place desperately needs. The mass exodus of members is still happening, and will continue. While some people may talk publicly about how they don't care... deep down we all know its a bad thing. Deep down we all know Q4T won't last much longer without someone stepping in.

I'd hate to see Marks warning come true. I'd hate to wake up one day and q4t is just gone.


First, why would Mark shut down the whole site? He could just delete "The Secret" threads.

Second, why don't you do it? You have the means and the hosting space. Personally, I would charge a nominal fee, but enable uploads of images and video up to a limit. Maybe $10 a year. This is a huge deterant to random trolls.

If you set a limit to the size of 10Mb for files, the users would be responsible for hosting large files. Or discussed with you first.

I read a while back that you could siphon off the threads, or possibly shadow host them, so what little historical info is left after the exodus can be preserved. Or, you could just ask Mark if you can shift the threads to your new site.

As for the riff-raff on here, it seems that Mark takes a blunt force approach to banning. Enough people complain and poof, they are gone. I think with active moderating, this can all be nipped in the bud. Make it based on flagging and reporting.

Cue the bitching that free speech is being impinged, but if a particular post or user is being flagged repeatedly, then they deserve to be banned.

I think you might be able to get some of the old timers to come back. Valuable people, like wilhouse, blighted_forest, even Catherwood (and so many others) who I haven't seen much of lately. This site has become a travesty and it is just plain sad that so much info has been lost.
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Re: Image 6 and other ramblings

Postby burnstyle » Wed Aug 14, 2019 6:05 am

gManTexas wrote:Second, why don't you do it? You have the means and the hosting space. Personally, I would charge a nominal fee, but enable uploads of images and video up to a limit. Maybe $10 a year. This is a huge deterant to random trolls.

If you set a limit to the size of 10Mb for files, the users would be responsible for hosting large files. Or discussed with you first.

I read a while back that you could siphon off the threads, or possibly shadow host them, so what little historical info is left after the exodus can be preserved. Or, you could just ask Mark if you can shift the threads to your new site.



I'm working on something... but I don't know if I can get it to work yet. The tricky part is getting all the old valuable info off q4t in an easily digestible and organizable way.

Mark making the secret threat publicly viewable made that effort a little easier... but not by much.

I did ask for an archive once, so that I could import it into another phpbb install, but that was turned down too. I think because an archive would include users PM's and registration info, which I can understand him not wanting to give out.

and honestly I dont know if I have the means. Remember I live on a public servants income. Donations and patreon keep 12treasures running, and I still come out of pocket for that. Plus going around digging crap for everyone... meeting random people for dinner and beer or whatever. It gets expensive.
I already catch hell from people for taking donations... imagine if I charged people to access old q4t stuff. It would get crazy.
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Re: Image 6 and other ramblings

Postby gManTexas » Wed Aug 14, 2019 6:25 am

burnstyle wrote:
gManTexas wrote:Second, why don't you do it? You have the means and the hosting space. Personally, I would charge a nominal fee, but enable uploads of images and video up to a limit. Maybe $10 a year. This is a huge deterant to random trolls.

If you set a limit to the size of 10Mb for files, the users would be responsible for hosting large files. Or discussed with you first.

I read a while back that you could siphon off the threads, or possibly shadow host them, so what little historical info is left after the exodus can be preserved. Or, you could just ask Mark if you can shift the threads to your new site.



I'm working on something... but I don't know if I can get it to work yet. The tricky part is getting all the old valuable info off q4t in an easily digestible and organizable way.

Mark making the secret threat publicly viewable made that effort a little easier... but not by much.

I did ask for an archive once, so that I could import it into another phpbb install, but that was turned down too. I think because an archive would include users PM's and registration info, which I can understand him not wanting to give out.

and honestly I dont know if I have the means. Remember I live on a public servants income. Donations and patreon keept 12treasures running, and I still come out of pocket for that. Plus going around digging crap for everyone... meeting random people for dinner and beer or whatever. It gets expensive.
I already catch hell from people for taking donations... imagine if I charged people to access old q4t stuff. It would get crazy.


I totally get it. However, if the info is valuable then people will pay. Personally, if I knew that I could get info that was pertinent and searchable, I would pay for that...if I was totally into it. This is basically what separates the posers from the real hunters. We would lose the BS artists and some poeple would feel more invested in the hunt.
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Re: Image 6 and other ramblings

Postby Choice » Wed Aug 14, 2019 6:57 am

So basically back to same-minded same-old failed tactics that haven't resulted anything fruitful for decades while most sites are being redone, paved or bulldozed.
Meanwhile members like Gman, BINGO, NYC and others refuse to hear new ideas or outright reject ideas, as simple as substituting south for down.
So I think this forum will do best if the old failures move to private setting and allow free flow of thought and take their negativity with them.
And please charge them $10 for your troubles!
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Re: Image 6 and other ramblings

Postby burnstyle » Wed Aug 14, 2019 7:22 am

Choice wrote:So basically back to same-minded same-old failed tactics that haven't resulted anything fruitful for decades while most sites are being redone, paved or bulldozed.
Meanwhile members like Gman, BINGO, NYC and others refuse to hear new ideas or outright reject ideas, as simple as substituting south for down.
So I think this forum will do best if the old failures move to private setting and allow free flow of thought and take their negativity with them.
And please charge them $10 for your troubles!



Most people dismiss this argument, or just ignore it... and don't really give a reason for why they dismiss it. Which is unfair.
It's an invalid argument. Most members who have been around for any length of time know that what was holding people back from finding anything for 40+ years is not because the tactics were wrong... its that no one was digging the solutions they came up with.

Honestly most of the old solutions were probably correct, but we will never know on some of them, because like you said, sites change and get paved over. Houston is probably lost because it took to long for someone to dig.
New York is the same way. Probably St Augustine too. who knows.

There is plenty in the book to figure out, there are still subtleties, twists, and likely major clues in the book that need to be discovered. But throwing everything that's been done out the window because a hundred people who have never dug a hole haven't found a casque seems pointless.

Take away the old guard vs. new guard mentality and look back at posts from 2004.... until about 2012. The attitude of hunters was different. In the houston thread you can see egbert, catherwood, falcon, wilhouse, fox, johann, all working together, coming up with ideas and working through them... discarding ideas that didnt work. generally just helping one another. Without any desire to be famous or whatever... just happily working as a team to solve a puzzle. It had been over 20 years since the casques were buried, they were all at a disadvantage, but they still trodded along and as a team came up with some of the most groundbreaking solutions this puzzle will ever have. the verse image pairings, the coordinates, the parks.... that was all found in the span of a year or two because everyone worked together.

Contrast that with the forum today.

I mean, you are right... new ideas will help. new people will help. But do you honestly think the methods that are being used right now... the type of communication...The Josh Cornells and the Taters... the photoshop micro image scans... do you honestly think it's helping anything? Do you think anyone is working towards a goal? Because it seems to me like everyone is trying to one up everyone else, or prove they are smarter.... i dont know.

I have to agree with a sentiment that 421 and ren have put out there. Some people want to be king of the secret, and the only way they can get to the top is to tear everyone else down. It doesn't help. Taking away some of the infighting might though.
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Re: Image 6 and other ramblings

Postby BINGO » Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:35 am

Choice wrote:So basically back to same-minded same-old failed tactics that haven't resulted anything fruitful for decades while most sites are being redone, paved or bulldozed.
Meanwhile members like Gman, BINGO, NYC and others refuse to hear new ideas or outright reject ideas, as simple as substituting south for down.
So I think this forum will do best if the old failures move to private setting and allow free flow of thought and take their negativity with them.
And please charge them $10 for your troubles!


Don’t forget, the reptilian brain guy with small hands that goes by the username Bingo, is the same person who will bend over backwards for people searching in Boston.

I have met people in person, given them rides, loaned them tools, offered any help that I can and ask nothing in return. All the while, not believing in hardly any of the theories that those people are working on.
I go out in Boston and take pictures, probe areas of interest and even dig holes. All for people who can’t make it to Boston themselves and I ask nothing in return. All the while, not totally believing in the theories that those people are working on.
I try my best to call shit when I see shit written on this board. It’s not personal and it’s not meant to be vicious. These are the things that I bring to the hunt specifically in Boston. In my opinion, actions speak louder than words. Just what exactly have you accomplished here other than aggravating almost everyone at some point and flooding the board with posts and theories that you expect others to vet?
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Re: Image 6 and other ramblings

Postby gManTexas » Wed Aug 14, 2019 12:10 pm

Choice wrote:So basically back to same-minded same-old failed tactics that haven't resulted anything fruitful for decades while most sites are being redone, paved or bulldozed.
Meanwhile members like Gman, BINGO, NYC and others refuse to hear new ideas or outright reject ideas, as simple as substituting south for down.
So I think this forum will do best if the old failures move to private setting and allow free flow of thought and take their negativity with them.
And please charge them $10 for your troubles!


Ha! Says the tool who is afraid of tools. The goal here is not to be an armchair Google Earth jockey or a photoshop expert, it is to go on site and dig. Observe what is there. Not to mention that you sir, are abrasive and highly defensive. If you would come out of your mom's basement once in a while and actually interact with people, you might have a different perspective.
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Re: Image 6 and other ramblings

Postby WilliamTater » Wed Aug 14, 2019 12:19 pm

Interesting. Anyone for toast coffee and a civil discourse?
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Re: Image 6 and other ramblings

Postby NYCNative » Wed Aug 14, 2019 1:21 pm

burnstyle wrote:
Choice wrote:So basically back to same-minded same-old failed tactics that haven't resulted anything fruitful for decades while most sites are being redone, paved or bulldozed.
Meanwhile members like Gman, BINGO, NYC and others refuse to hear new ideas or outright reject ideas, as simple as substituting south for down.
So I think this forum will do best if the old failures move to private setting and allow free flow of thought and take their negativity with them.
And please charge them $10 for your troubles!



Most people dismiss this argument, or just ignore it... and don't really give a reason for why they dismiss it. Which is unfair.
It's an invalid argument. Most members who have been around for any length of time know that what was holding people back from finding anything for 40+ years is not because the tactics were wrong... its that no one was digging the solutions they came up with.

Honestly most of the old solutions were probably correct, but we will never know on some of them, because like you said, sites change and get paved over. Houston is probably lost because it took to long for someone to dig.
New York is the same way. Probably St Augustine too. who knows.


There is plenty in the book to figure out, there are still subtleties, twists, and likely major clues in the book that need to be discovered. But throwing everything that's been done out the window because a hundred people who have never dug a hole haven't found a casque seems pointless.

Take away the old guard vs. new guard mentality and look back at posts from 2004.... until about 2012. The attitude of hunters was different. In the houston thread you can see egbert, catherwood, falcon, wilhouse, fox, johann, all working together, coming up with ideas and working through them... discarding ideas that didnt work. generally just helping one another. Without any desire to be famous or whatever... just happily working as a team to solve a puzzle. It had been over 20 years since the casques were buried, they were all at a disadvantage, but they still trodded along and as a team came up with some of the most groundbreaking solutions this puzzle will ever have. the verse image pairings, the coordinates, the parks.... that was all found in the span of a year or two because everyone worked together.

Contrast that with the forum today.

I mean, you are right... new ideas will help. new people will help. But do you honestly think the methods that are being used right now... the type of communication...The Josh Cornells and the Taters... the photoshop micro image scans... do you honestly think it's helping anything? Do you think anyone is working towards a goal? Because it seems to me like everyone is trying to one up everyone else, or prove they are smarter.... i dont know.

I have to agree with a sentiment that 421 and ren have put out there. Some people want to be king of the secret, and the only way they can get to the top is to tear everyone else down. It doesn't help. Taking away some of the infighting might though.


I couldn't agree more, Burn!

I arrived late in the hunt and when I joined Q4T it was very hostile only because of one or two members. Just like anything else, a few negatives outweigh all the positive that the community has produced. I found myself hooked to the site but for all the wrong reasons. Trying to prove someone wrong and out them in public becomes as much as a priority as the task at hand, or more so. I look back at my earlier posts and regret having engaged in such conversations.

I agree with Gman that the bulk of the information that will be lost the day the site is deleted will be a super shame. I do think we need active moderators that are not bias to anyone with some ground rules that can keep the forum and it's users on track. Obviously some people will have a problem with this, since they think there is a big conspiracy going on to keep them silent or suppress information. The alternative is to continue the site as is until the plug is pulled. Beyond the moderators, we all need to show some personal responsibility and not engage in these internet fights and show some restraint and maturity. The block button is an amazingly useful and under rated tool in this site.

I also agree that there are good solves posted here for all to see and probably a few actual solves that have not been proven true. I don't believe that everyone's motivation is to find a casque here. Proof would be those post and threads made by people to get hits simple attention ploys. More proof, as stated above, is that very few people use their theories to do actual digs/probes. More so, the majority of the community hold on to great ideas because the seem to want the sole credit, if proven correct. The ongoing fantasy of proving everyone wrong seems to trump the possibility of solving the puzzle. One would think this casque is worth millions!

This is still the best resource we have for the puzzles. Don't believe me, check out a FB group on the Secret! Yikes
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