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Goonie68 wrote:: The theories I have read have not lead me to the path I am about to take, and I believe that I am on to something because I have not read any paths that take me to the destination that I am going to. Either I am completely wrong or I have found clues on one has mentioned yet. Either way I am sticking to my original plan just to see if I am right. Of course people are going to say oh your way off or don't agree, buts that's ok, until that casque is unearthed then we all have a theory right? The clues that I have put together lead me to a location that makes total senses, well at least to me lol, Everything that I have found leads directly to my location and has factual ligature to back my path with the clues corresponding to my location. There are 3 other clues that no one has pointed out or made a connection, these 3 took a lot of research but they have a strong connection to the puzzle. I feel like your hubris is undermined by your inability to understand that " 's " is singular possessive. Confidence is great, it's going to take a swell of confidence to dig a 3 foot hole in public practically anywhere. But do open yourself up to at least some small adjustments, is my advice.

Thanks Goldengate! So I have a question? What is the process to getting a permit to dig in a public park...I mean if you go and say hey I think I know where a buried treasure is most will laugh at you right? Or through you out of the office LOL, no but seriously how do you go about it?

Yes I have a probe and my thought is to probe the location first and if I hit something then I would proceed to the next step, so I am assuming inquire at the information center for help?

The spot i have in mind is just out of the public traffic area, which make sense like you said he didn't want people to see him so that's why I think the place I have identified is perfect fit for someone trying to hide something. IF you look at where the other two casques where found it was out of the way, Chicago in the corner by a wall and fence on the back part of the park, Cleveland in a planter box that was out of the way. This location falls into the same kind of area. The spot is also is near something man made.

I will up date my hunt tomorrow at some point. Hopefully with a casque in hand!!

Goldengate wrote:: Also and again... I could be way off here and haven't back tracked to make sure, but I thought Preiss specifically mentioned he buried the casques in 81/82 so would that put it outside of the Tut museum timeline (I actually went to that exhibit and should know -- also the spark of my interest in archaeology that started my path to a career working for Discovery)! Last thought on this... Preiss thought the casques would be found quickly, but the Tut exhibit was temporary, so I just don't know if he'd go with a clue so impermanent. Unknown: A couple thoughts that either myself or others have written specifically about have been the Japanese Pavilion at Stowe lake. I know it may sound beaten to death, but I believe it was constructed right before Preiss buried the casques. It actually was a big deal and was in the news a lot... it was the new thing to see in GGP. And to that... someone was recently asking about the symbols... the ONE symbol that is absolutely linked to GGP is the Triratna... the three tiny balls in the shape of a pyramid, I think on the lower left side of her dress. It is displayed prominantly many times in the pavilion and is also called the jewel or gem of of buddhism. The little balls sure look like pearls... which is the SF Jewel. That's just my thought. I honestly haven't drilled down much farther than that lately but love tuning into the discussion. ah I didn't see this new thread til just now, but I did agree it was the way the clue was written, the whole plural vs. possesive thing is what made me think the poem may have been misinterpreted. I forgot that I did some research looking at that and I think you may be right, it probably wasn't '79 after all. Also I couldn't find a picture of the Sphinx that matches up, so you're probably right on that too. Also! yeah that was me! I was looking at the symbols around the border in particular... I knew about the yin-yang so I imagined the rest were probably somehow rooted in asian culture (I do dig a lot of that culture anyway so it was kinda fun learning more about it while I was researching!) so I spent a little time before bed trying to figure out what the symbols were... but that one you spoke of threw me I couldn't find a close enough match in my searching, but thanks for elaborating on my brief research!

ah yeah that's definitely a valid point... only so much I can do armchairing it from google, I do want to plan a trek out there one of these days, I just have to be more sure about where I want to dig... going to have to show this to other family (who I know have been to SF on several occasions so if I get their input they may have some ideas) think I may work on that this next week!)

Here is how the day went in the park! Started at the De Young building, watch this you tube video of the old De Young, and take a look at the windows or opening and the main entrance to the museum. https://youtu.be/9TcF_dVW_hk So this is why I started from this point A stone walls door

I am raising a beer to your effort right now. I think you're off track in a big way. You are definitely getting some exercise and I'm delighted to see SF getting attention. At present I only have disconnected ideas of my own and I continue to wonder why this puzzle is so hard. I wonder how the last terrible winged, fire breathing dragon connects to this. Is the pearl hidden near a convent?

Right outside the De Young, maybe a match for the women's face? Straight across the street Is the Apple Cider Press statute, The air smells sweet https://www.flickr.com/photos/138281177 ... ed-public/ Right over the Statue you can see the Suto Tower Not far away High posts are three, Education and Justice , the Academy of Science and a row of Flags , All from the same spot, Sounds from the sky moving east to Hippie Hill ( know for concerts, Jimmy Hendricks etc. Ace is high Tennis courts is high Hippie hill is and was a major place to folks to get HIGH, Running north, but first across moving north to JFK street, you come to a crosswalk, first across. It takes you to the Conservatory of Flowers, In jewels direction, there are 12 flower beds on the right side of the Conservatory , each bed represents each jewel. (?) Is an object There is a clock out of flowers , of Twain's attention There are articles about Twain and his investments into a clock company with he got taken out of his investment. He also had many writings about story's of time and clock repairs Time has his attention. From there Giant pole

Giant Pole there is a giant patch of flowers the resembles a 2 d pole it runs down from the center of the Conservatory, Giant step if you follow the direction of the flower bed, takes you to this tunnel https://www.flickr.com/photos/138281177 ... ed-public/ the gate has bars that resemble the bottom of the rose on the table. The top of the tunnel has rows of blocks the are pretty close to the woman's sleeve. At the end of the tunnel there are two sets of steps. from the bottom to the top there are 14, if you count the blocks on the woman's sleeve where her fingers point to there are 14. On the other side of the tunnel is a giant set up to the side of the side of tunnel. This was my location , I probed around the column about 2 feet away and push the probe down ( several tries) and hit something, not sure what it was rock, ?? At that point I deiced to contact the park officials but I wasn't able to get permission, so going back to try again.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/138281177 ... ed-public/

I haven't looked at SF too much, but damn fine work you are doing here! Get the permission slip and punch your ticket!! Edit: Just did a Google walk through. Seems really solid. BTW, in tennis you can Ace someone with a serve.

I did go to stow lake and walked the island and the Chinese povlin is a good location ,carvings the rail or pole just haven't been able to complete all the verses from there,but I also like the location. I cheer for all of us!

I will check it for sure thanks for sharing.

Goldengate, I went and read your post about the blocks very very compelling, I like how it gives you an entry point, and now that i take a step back and look at other solves I think they all have a starting point right outside a park. Now if that is a staring point then stone walls door should be visible from that location right? OR maybe the pillars are the wall and the door is the the entrance through the pillars? In any case I like the location! When I was at the Pavilion I noticed on the stone rails of dragons, the claws on the Pavilion matched the claw in the illustration and when you turn the illustration upside down it appears to have a C P out of the claws.

There is a guy on a Facebook group claiming to have dug up the SF casque today. Has pictures of the the hole, but no pictures of the actual casque. Claims the Park “has possession”. I don’t buy the story, but it would be pretty cool if it really happened.

His stone walls door image is very interesting.

I am not sure about that claim in digging up the SF casque , he claims to have dug it up and took pics of the hole and how deep it was and didn't take any of the casque? Sounds fishy to me, plus he stated that GGP has the casque not sure about that either?

BINGO wrote:: There is a guy on a Facebook group... I am not a member of Facebook at all, let alone any exclusive group. (For context, maybe link to their starting point?) Can anyone determine the direct URL to any of the images? (Don't hot-link them here with the embedding tags! Just post URLs -- i'll let you know whether an outsider can view them.) Thanks!

catherwood wrote:: I am not a member of Facebook at all, let alone any exclusive group. (For context, maybe link to their starting point?) Can anyone determine the direct URL to any of the images? (Don't hot-link them here with the embedding tags! Just post URLs -- i'll let you know whether an outsider can view them.) Thanks! I’m not a member or a Facebook user either. My daughter showed me the posts and she was following the group. It sounds like others have seen this and may be able to help with those links. Sorry.

Pretty sure you cannot view without a facebook account. Here are the specifics that I've gleaned about his solve: Starting at the Marina Lighthouse, which does have a bricked-up door slightly resembling the barred window in image 1, he follows the jetty back to Marina Blvd, then goes east, in the direction of the Eureka steamboat (Twain's attention) until hitting the Marina flagpole, near which there is a plaque about an aviation first (Ace is high). Digs next to the pole and finds the casque, which is promptly confiscated by parks and rec. He says the strange blue shape in the rocks is an abstract map of the jetty where the lighthouse is and marina green.

But repeat: the only photos are of the lighthouse and an empty hole. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1m9e3f8 ... sp=sharing

The guy on FB is named Brian Bliven. Dug a hole at "North west corner of flag pole base. Flag pole is at 430 Marina Blvd. (Dragons tail is "430". ) Gap in between her arms is compass needle." Claims that SF parks dept has the casque. Seems like a weird place for a casque and a fishy story to go with it.

Brian is in this group as well. I forget his username. Secret Hunter or something like that. Surprised he hasn't shared here yet.

Has past information have anything to do with 16th street? Just curious? I don't want to post redundant information.

Yes opps AVE. Well I think I have some very interesting info but not sure if it has been discussed or discarded information. So no reference in the illustration about 16? The boarder around the women's robe is almost to blurry to make out, for me. Has there been any reference to Twain outside the boathouse more north like JFK around Crossover Dr?

Do you know where that post or theory is? I have something that will Fit but I want to make sure this has not been covered?

GG look at your mail on here

Results from our day at GGP connecting the dots. After doing more research I have uncovered what hopefully will be the path to the casque. We started at 37th ave and Fulton, which is directly across the street from the old Parks and Recs building 37 could have duel meaning, longitude and Avenue. Confirmed in the image of 37 by the woman's hair. From 37 ave cross the street to the Old Parks and Recs building where you reach a stone wall door's. Above the door is a fixture that resembles an image in the illustration. I would say that If Priess used a Polaroid camera to take pictures the images would not be as defined but the shape of objects still can be recognized. There is a close match with these two images. Which leads me to believe that this is the Door. If you can say that they both match then verse and image are confirmed. From this starting point every verse was confirmed or fit with the illustration. I have pictures to show verse and image show very good similarities to a promising x marks the spot location. Keep in mind the building has changed from then to now, paint etc...

Goonie68, following up on your leads here, I found this remarkable resemblance between the window on the front of the Senior Center and the dragon: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1IY9eaTux9GODSqWD6_ExEfOi4bWflp81 No clue what the significance is, but it's the most stomach-dropping thing I've seen connected to image 1 since I learned about the numbers in the woman's hair. Hopefully that decorative work was there back in the early 80s!

Goonies and Treetops, it seems like an argument could be made the pole the dragon is holding onto in the decorative work on the Senior Center resembles the base of the table in Image 1. Additionally, the pole in front of the senior center is interesting. At the top of the pole appears to be the pearl from the image. https://imgur.com/3znwy4q

Bluebery wrote:: Hello everyone, Brian B here. I think I logged under “secret hunter” too. I’ve been monitoring all the hunts and have been working to find my own conclusions and solution. I’ve written many pages documenting my research. I have posted some of it. I have performed 3 permitted digs near my site. I know others are digging near here too. I’ve been dumbfounded that recovery of the object has not happened yet. However on a positive note, each time I go to the location I find something new. Monday morning I found what I believe are the final bits I needed to obtain the exact location. The puzzle is definitive if you allow it to take you there and make the connections. I processed the information that I found Monday and plugged it into my computer models. Excellent result. Triangle and markers on the surface lined up very well. I can explain all my findings, but would like to recover the casque first. I have leaked some information, confidentiality and trust has been broken by a few fellow hunters. I want to thank those before me who have provided some relevant clues. (I do not see anyone close to my solution which involves math. You either get it or you don’t.) Right now my current blockage is the Parks Department and a particular individual that seems to resist scheduling repeat digs, although the guidelines clearly allow for sebsaquent applications after previous digs are complete. The person is mentioning fees now, and other misleading information. I have attempted to meet with parks to provide full transparency, no return communication yet....I follow their restrictive 1 hour dig process. I did not design the process, it is limiting when you consider that Cleveland had a 6 hour dig time...so my plan is to reapply for a new dig Friday 3/2. Wait for application to be processed, wait for my appointment, then recover at my newly vectored spot. (A giant step from my previous area) After that I will reveal my process. I think it will help solve NY too. There are 2-3 baseball references. (Giant step is a lead off from 1st base) There are multiple other Giant References. Their are 3 things for Twain’s attention. Confirmation clues are in verse, image, and throughout the book. Finally, you need to get out and observe. Good luck to all if I’m wrong. Thanks again for those who have supported. Shame on those who broke trust. And finally my regret and apologies if I recover before some of you who have been looking for years and did not get to where I think I am today. Time will tell. My insurance is a guy in NY who I have shared findings with. No chance he will jump my findings. What about Malted Falcon? Best of luck! I'm curious, why did you make a second account?

Bluebery, I respect the process. Working with parks dept.s can be gruelling. Having to pay out of pocket for services is a real buzzkill. Good luck.

Also, the GPS 1980 datum that you are using doesnt make much sense to me. To my recollection, gps1980 is a time conversion table and has nothing to do with actual measurements. Also, gps satellites were launched by the military throughout the mid to late 1970’s. Private use of the satellite data was allowed by the military throughout the 1980’s. However, the military degraded the signal dramatically until the 1990’s. I highly doubt that a private GPS unit of any kind would be affordable or even practical for a civilian to be using in 1981. Possibly, I have misunderstood your claims, but as written, I don’t really see it being relevant.

While I think the sextant and vector theories are interesting and I want to see how this pans out, I'm having difficulty seeing the authors creating something so complicated.

Yes complicated.. enough so to keep folks busy looking for over 35 years. Many layers. If I draw a map, I feel compromised on recovery. I plan (read: hope to get permission) to dig one last time. Great if I recover, if not I will publish all my findings and the additional possible locations, along with 9 locations I have eliminated with 3 previous digs. For the vector locations, I can say 8 of 10 are reciprocal angles on a compass, 180 degrees apart, coaxial. The last is 179 or 181 depending on which way you go. I have not attempted to use this on Cleveland or Chicago. However I have used parts of this technique on NY with good results. I think I know within a small area where that casque could be. It takes boots on the ground to verify exactness and images. I can only do so much with street view and sat images... NY differs in the “Simple Roots”; a math term where n=1. Simple root of 9=3, 4=2, etc. Many of the locations folks are looking at in NY are referred to. Some stronger than others.

Simple root is a math term, but it refers to the point where a polynomial crosses the x axis. The coefficient could be n=1, but it's true for all odd values of n. 'm a little confused as how one could go from that to 9=3, 4=2... i know you know those are called "square roots" or possibly "prime factors."

As I understand GPS 80 and others like WPS.. they are models for surveying, and cartography. The earth is ellipsoidial, being a bit fatter around the equator, and flatter at the poles. Cartography gets more skewed at the poles. There have been ever differing models to correct for the non round shape of our planet. Local vectoring is less skewed than long distance. Wiki has a good explanation for Global positioning systems. Hope that helps. I had to correct for true north verses magnetic north along the way too. Which made me “goof” a dig, but I did not know then what I have concluded now. Notice the single digits makeing the square roots a simple root. The solution set is literally n=1.

Bluebery wrote:: As I understand GPS 80 and others like WPS.. they are models for surveying, and cartography. The earth is ellipsoidial, being a bit fatter around the equator, and flatter at the poles. Cartography gets more skewed at the poles. There have been ever differing models to correct for the non round shape of our planet. Local vectoring is less skewed than long distance. Wiki has a good explanation for Global positioning systems. Hope that helps. I had to correct for true north verses magnetic north along the way too. Which made me “goof” a dig, but I did not know then what I have concluded now. Notice the single digits makeing the square roots a simple root. The solution set is literally n=1. This is The Secret's version of word salad. Even the simple notion that one could "argue" what the black and white definition of a mathematical term is makes me concerned that you have an extreme detach from reality. I hope you find the cask on your next dig, but please understand that I now put you in the category of "people who are likely ruining it for everyone by bothering park officials with solves that have provably false foundations."

Calculating true north from magnetic north is a very simple process and survey datum of any kind is not required. It is simply an angular adjustment determined by your location on the planet. (Add or subtract an angle from your magnetic north reading. See: declination) This is very basic and also very common knowledge in 1981. Again, I do not believe that applying this to a painting or even an area the size of a park will give you an accurate enough measurement to narrow down to a 1’x1’ area. If you can manage to pull this off, there is a career waiting for you in the surveying industry.

Apologies if I'm wrong, but is Bluebery not the person who claimed about a month ago to have actually unearthed the casque in Marina Green, only to have it mysteriously vanish under the care of park officials? I am a bit distressed to see that since that time you've gone from methods grounded in identifying physical markers, memorials and plaques to this sort of kabbalistic mathematics.

drunknerds wrote:: This is The Secret's version of word salad. Even the simple notion that one could "argue" what the black and white definition of a mathematical term is makes me concerned that you have an extreme detach from reality. I hope you find the cask on your next dig, but please understand that I now put you in the category of "people who are likely ruining it for everyone by bothering park officials with solves that have provably false foundations." Ehhh, this was kind of harsh, sorry. Anyone who is taking the care to go through the proper procedures and dig is helping the search, I shouldn't get down on that.

So let’s just say for a moment I used true north and a what I believe were related surface markers to survey a location using angles. I find a location. Then I realize after a botch dig that comes up empty, that something is horribly wrong. So I adjust true north to mag north, and the few degrees difference moves me to a new location just a few feet from the previous one. Another dig, nothing, huge bummer. But I discover more surface marks at that time. Plug those in, and get additional results. Confirm clues reprocess. Get permit, dig, empty. Frick. A missing triangle that was detected really bothers me. Find it on last dig. Plug in this vector, everything shifts again. Verification at the site is key, and you got to find all the markers. The conundrum is you don’t know what’s missing until a dig verification. Multiple digs eventually piss off the parks permit folks. I’m a design engineer. By this time I’ve modeled in 3D my area of interest. I’ve added elevation to the model as “Aces are high” is a clue, and there are elevation symbols (from a topo map) on our image. New and more refined result. Now I got lots of possible dig locations, but more than a few start landing right on top of each other with very little error (most likely due to small variations in my measurements from what BP may have used.) I’m not a surveyor. Good thing the simple root applies to NY, not SF. The math is complex. “You either get it or you don’t” per Calcubus.... Thanks for kind thoughts. I make sure not to slam others for their theories, no matter how half baked I might feel they are. There is too much energy spent on that on all the sites, and its not really helpful. I’m a bit surprised that our surveying friend did not pick up on the elevation symbols. I’m looking forward to putting on my foil hat and slamming some beers should I be successful or if I go down in flames, either way. I do feel I will have helped our quest. Too bad I can’t seem to even get this message heard by our park permit friends...

Bluebery wrote:: I’m a bit surprised that our surveying friend did not pick up on the elevation symbols. I mentioned before that I am not an expert on this location, image or verse. I am focused on Boston because that is where I am located. I cruise all of the other threads and try to pay attention to new developments and new theories as they hit the board. I do my best to offer positive feedback when merited and try to pick out inconsistencies when I see them. Being the surveyor friend is exactly what I’m trying to do. If you took my comments as offensive then I apologize. It was not the tone that I intended. As far as elevation “symbols” I do not follow. Elevations are normally tied to a location and specific datum.(See:NAVD88 for example) Elevation symbols are almost always numbers with two significant digits (18.22, 553.95, etc.). The majority of these images have numbers imbedded into them. Without more detail to your claim, there is very little likelihood that anyone else can make much sense of it. So, your spot will be safe from any surveyor pirates.

Bluebery wrote:: There are 4 more parallel lines through points in the image representing various landmarks, near and far. The verse clues us into these landmarks, some more directly than others. Conclusion, too many coincidental lines crossing locational representations in our image with parallel sets to be random. So next we round up all the places we can think of and start collecting a vector to each location from where we think the treasure is located. I used a distance calculator and GPS80 (Global positioning system 1980) to determine my vectors recording angles off true North. I think BP had access to this in the 80s... I came up with 10 vectors that created a compass of sorts that helped show me the way to the location. It was not until I had figured out all 10 vectors, that the compass worked “properly” and provided that Ah ha moment. Up to then I could coorlate certain things as “correct” and verified, but dig location was obscured. More to follow later, stay tuned. First show it works in Chicago and Cleveland.

Bluebery wrote:: There are 4 more parallel lines through points in the image representing various landmarks, near and far. The verse clues us into these landmarks, some more directly than others. Conclusion, too many coincidental lines crossing locational representations in our image with parallel sets to be random. So next we round up all the places we can think of and start collecting a vector to each location from where we think the treasure is located. I used a distance calculator and GPS80 (Global positioning system 1980) to determine my vectors recording angles off true North. I think BP had access to this in the 80s... I came up with 10 vectors that created a compass of sorts that helped show me the way to the location. It was not until I had figured out all 10 vectors, that the compass worked “properly” and provided that Ah ha moment. Up to then I could coorlate certain things as “correct” and verified, but dig location was obscured. More to follow later, stay tuned. As a land surveyor, I actually follow and understand the method that you are attempting to apply here. However, I am not familiar with the fine details of this particular location. Can you create a rough sketch or a map of your work for this? To me, this isn’t an outlandish application. To most others, this might put you in the tinfoil hat category.

The USGS had the equipment and resources for vectoring. GPS or otherwise. The map room and cartographers were there on staff and helpful. I visited there many times in the 80's for maps for trekking in the Sierras. The USGS is close to Stanford, BP may have had connections there.. My point is if we knew we would be that much closer. We do suspect he used maps extensively, aerial images show up in the paintings. I do know the vectors for SF make hell of sense for me and are clearly defined in prose and image.

Bluebery wrote:: The USGS had the equipment and resources for vectoring. GPS or otherwise. The map room and cartographers were there on staff and helpful. I visited there many times in the 80's for maps for trekking in the Sierras. The USGS is close to Stanford, BP may have had connections there.. My point is if we knew we would be that much closer. We do suspect he used maps extensively, aerial images show up in the paintings. I do know the vectors for SF make hell of sense for me and are clearly defined in prose and image. I am humoring your concepts, but I really think you'll have to post some diagrams with lines and circles for any sort of impact. This is a tough sell.

I feel like the notion of GPS is disproved by how general his latitude/longitudes were. That's like 11+ points of data, all of which say "hey, I just used an atlas and estimated."

drunknerds wrote:: I feel like the notion of GPS is disproved by how general his latitude/longitudes were. That's like 11+ points of data, all of which say "hey, I just used an atlas and estimated." +1

gManTexas wrote:: I am humoring your concepts, but I really think you'll have to post some diagrams with lines and circles for any sort of impact. This is a tough sell. I'm not even ready to rent.

Not an atlas. Geomidpoint.com. We’ve discussed/ speculated how BP May have done it, which is not really relevant other than somehow he might or could have. I’ve used the site above to put in my dig location, then other locations, objects, or sometimes just an angle and worked it until I found the clue I knew, or looked along the line for a clue to match. Lots of searching and looking at possibilities. Initially I used a handheld compass to get some general headings and worked from there. Some hit. I have never mentioned a lat/long. If you go from home to work, there is a vector from home or work depending on your start point. In this case they would be opposite depending on your start location. Regardless of where those are, they have a relation. I feel good, because all my clues ended up opposite to create my “BP angle compass” as a tool to go to the next step. My BP compass is from my location and works there with all the clues as I understand them. My next step is where to dig, and there are lots of possibilities. I worked my compass and the image til I figured that out too. If you look at our ladies arms, the gap between them looks like a compass needle, and points north in relation to the GG map image. Has anyone attempted laying out lines I described before. You want me to post my work....only after my last dig. You guys got to work for it if you want to understand it.

Bluebery wrote:: Not an atlas. Geomidpoint.com. We’ve discussed/ speculated how BP May have done it, which is not really relevant other than somehow he might or could have. I’ve used the site above to put in my dig location, then other locations, objects, or sometimes just an angle and worked it until I found the clue I knew, or looked along the line for a clue to match. Lots of searching and looking at possibilities. Initially I used a handheld compass to get some general headings and worked from there. Some hit. I have never mentioned a lat/long. If you go from home to work, there is a vector from home or work depending on your start point. In this case they would be opposite depending on your start location. Regardless of where those are, they have a relation. I feel good, because all my clues ended up opposite to create my “BP angle compass” as a tool to go to the next step. My BP compass is from my location and works there with all the clues as I understand them. My next step is where to dig, and there are lots of possibilities. I worked my compass and the image til I figured that out too. If you look at our ladies arms, the gap between them looks like a compass needle, and points north in relation to the GG map image. Has anyone attempted laying out lines I described before. You want me to post my work....only after my last dig. You guys got to work for it if you want to understand it. We can wait for your dig and subsequent reveal. I don't agree that you would put it on us to work to understand your thought processes and intentionally vague theory that does not fit the mold of any reasonable approach to solving these puzzles.

Thanks for calling BS on my dates, what I read and quoted from memory may have been different. Not my intent to BS. Yes several hundred miles away. Tom's Thumb is in Arizona. You can't see it from my dig location, but it is really key at least as a verification point. The object opposite vector is visible at 180 degrees. The text references the rock at least 2X with direction in mind. I'm still just a theory. Waiting to dig. Waiting for an invoice from SF which I expect may never come... IT REALLY BOTHERS ME WHEN A FORM SAYS: WE'LL PROCESS YOUR REQUEST WITHIN 2 DAYS and the folks in charge can't seem to meet that commitment (multiple times). And they add hurdles for something so simple. I'm a strong believer in say what you do; do what you say. I cant even get a phone cal or return call. I won't hold back here reminding them: THEY ARE PUBLIC SERVICE EMPLOYEES. I'm not even asking SF Parks what the status is because they have been so inconsistent on their process' and responses. Yes I'm afraid they'll turn dig permitting off not just for me, but everyone. I'm pretty sure when I indicated I'd pay the $140 dig fee someone popped a gasket at Stanton. The fee was incidentally put into place within a few hours of my 4th dig request that was received and approved. I personally feel the fee is kin to extortion, because the demand was made after the confirmed receipt of application and the form was updated to reflect this new policy after my application was submitted and accepted. Anyhow I asked for the payment process and that too is not forthcoming because I don't think it was even set up. I called their BS. Today, all day, nothing. I'm a patient guy. I've documented that this will be my last dig publically, mostly because I don't care to spend weeks to acquire a dig time and work so hard for the treatment I've received. Im upset that others seem to know the parks folks and "have dug billions of holes" and provided extra opps. Good for you all. Happy Hunting.

From Wiki: The GPS project was launched by the U.S. Department of Defense in 1973 for use by the United States military and became fully operational in 1995. It was allowed for civilian use in the 1980s. I also recall a Terra Server site I surfed consistently in the late 80s. So yes a system of GPS may have been available in the 80s. And BP may have had access to someone or had mad map skills. Note the USGS west coast facility and Map room is a short distance from Stanford in Menlo Park. (Or at least is was in the 80's). BB

Bluebery wrote:: From Wiki: The GPS project was launched by the U.S. Department of Defense in 1973 for use by the United States military and became fully operational in 1995. It was allowed for civilian use in the 1980s. I also recall a Terra Server site I surfed consistently in the late 80s. So yes a system of GPS may have been available in the 80s. And BP may have had access to someone or had mad map skills. Note the USGS west coast facility and Map room is a short distance from Stanford in Menlo Park. (Or at least is was in the 80's). BB What they mean by fully operational in 1995 is the government stopped degrading the the signal so severely. Prior to 1995, gps was available to civilians, but the intentionally degraded signal was very inaccurate. You would be lucky to have a level of accuracy that would land you in an area the size of a park. To be effective in 1981, Preiss would have needed military grade gps equipment at his disposal. I think it was far more likely that if Preiss did use sophisticated mapping; USGS topo maps, aerial photographs and good old fashioned survey map/plans would have been what he used.

Goonie68, I really like where you are going with this solve. I'd like to add a couple of things, after doing some research. Seems that Mark Twain was into Hasheesh. This would be an interesting way to set Hippie Hill as a direction indicator, e.g. to the east at Clay and Sansome. I realize this is obscure, but maybe known to BP as a literary guy. http://sfevergreen.com/mark-twains-hash ... is-career/ Also, I think giant pole could mean one of the Outdoor Public Warning System towers with speakers. I believe they test them regularly, and if BP heard one go off, he would have asked, "What is that?" From this map, it could be the one marked as number 53 or 89. This depends how you interpret the clues in the verses for direction. Just need to confirm they were there in 1980. http://sfdem.org/outdoor-public-warning-system-0 http://sfdem.org/sites/default/files/Fi ... letter.pdf As for the rest, I think you may be getting close to the actual burial site. I also wonder if the giant pole refers to a May Day celebration in the park. I believe it was or still is held near the Children's Playground area. http://www.foundsf.org/index.php?title=May_Day In this case we have several clues very close to each other. I'm feeling like the casque is in the vicinity of the playground. Put that in your pipe and smoke it! Lol, just kidding.

Thanks Gman! After investigating my original theory by waking the path I found a few things that didn't work, so I have changed my focus ( as we all do at some point) My new theory has some solid leads and I will be getting out there to confirm my leads.

Ok so here is the second verse that ties the De Young museum to the next move. Right in front of the De Young is a statue of a Sphinx and was updated in 1923. The face on the statue matches the woman's face in the illustration tying in the De Young once again. Now the verse, The air smells sweet...In my opinion this is referring to a statue right across the De Young museum. I also believe that Preiss leads you to buildings, landscapes, statues and other focal points through out the park. This statue is of a Apple Cider press, In my opinion we are not looking for a flower garden that smells sweet, I work next to a company that makes ciders and when they crush the apples...well the air smells sweet! The air smells sweet is referring you to the statue of the apple press. From there is the next line in the verse.....

I think with Tut's exhibit it was enough to add to the puzzle because at the time that was a defining moment in the De Young's history and GG parks draw to people to that location.

I haven't looked at this one much, but you guys seem to be onto something. BTW, if no one has mentioned, the rocks above the rose looks like Lincoln to me. Maybe for Lincoln Way.

Ok so here is my theory on the face in the rocks by the Rose. It is a illustration of JFK, JFK is the street that runs on the north side of the park.....Hint hint.....

also the blue line around the woman that touches the bottom of JFK's face is an out line of the street that runs from her crossed arms to her head.

Goonie68 wrote:: also the blue line around the woman that touches the bottom of JFK's face is an out line of the street that runs from her crossed arms to her head. I'll buy that.

The theories I have read have not lead me to the path I am about to take, and I believe that I am on to something because I have not read any paths that take me to the destination that I am going to. Either I am completely wrong or I have found clues on one has mentioned yet. Either way I am sticking to my original plan just to see if I am right. Of course people are going to say oh your way off or don't agree, buts that's ok, until that casque is unearthed then we all have a theory right? The clues that I have put together lead me to a location that makes total senses, well at least to me lol, Everything that I have found leads directly to my location and has factual ligature to back my path with the clues corresponding to my location. There are 3 other clues that no one has pointed out or made a connection, these 3 took a lot of research but they have a strong connection to the puzzle.

Hello gentlemen, I am new to this panel and hope to bring this puzzle to a final conclusion. I have lived in the bay area all my life 49yrs. I know GG park very well and as a kid growing up I used to go there for educational trips ( in the 80's). I have put together a THEORY, because I haven't pulled the casque out of the ground yet.... So let's start will 3 things that I have noticed with the puzzle. 1. The written words that Preiss uses, like stone walls door, walls is plural, unlike the wall in Shakespeare garden a single wall would not be plural. To me this eliminates this as a starting point. Knowing that this is a 37 year old puzzle things have changed in the park , buildings, landscape and so on. There is another word that is plural Jewel's, but I will explain that later. So now for my THEORY of a starting point.... I have done a lot of research on the time lines of when Preiss put this book together. In 1982 the book was published, which means that to write the book and have the illustrations made it would of taken 1 to 2 years + to create the book and have it published. So back to my starting point, I believe Preiss visited San Francisco in 1979, and was most likely the first place he had gone. In 1979 at the De Young Museum King Tutankhamun was on display and was one of the most popular exhibitions ever to be presented at the de Young. In the upper left position, underneath the "DOOR" is what appears to be a mummy's face, which would tie it to the De Young. The "DOOR" resembles that of the old De Young building before it was demolished. The Wall's reference would be the building it's self and the Door is a window or an opening in the building that matches the illustration. I have a complete theory and like everyone else thinks to know where the casque is kept. Unlike most I will be putting boots on the ground tomorrow morning to test my theory. All the research I have done has pointed me to a POSSIABLE location and all clues are not forced all lines up.

Goonie68 wrote:: walls is plural, unlike the wall in Shakespeare garden a single wall would not be plural. Stone wall's door isnt plural, It's possessive. So is Jewel's

A1: Second account was just an initial log in, then I forgot my password. The admins can kill my “secret hunter” log in. A2: Yes I fully agree with the random nature of “guidelines” the SF parks has put into place. I’m following their lead, the latest news is a $140 fee for digs past 3....BUZZKILL INDEED! I’m putting my cash up because I’m very confident and willing to put my money where my mouth is. Each previous time at dig site allowed me to find more clues, so I’m amortizing the $140 over 4 digs, making my cost less than $40 per. I like to support the parks. No comment on how the money will be used and who gets paid a salary that doesn’t really “get it”. I must say I proposed self monitoring and offering to provide before, during, and after photos of dig activity. This would eliminate the need/decision for having a Ranger “babysitting” for the limited 1 hour dig. All we really need is a system to do our hobby, and preserve the park. Apparently the charge is for Ranger “overtime”. I respect the process. All the field staff have been very cool and excellent to deal with. They ask lots of questions regarding our quest. Right now I’m waiting for a slot, an invoice or way to pay, and a date. I’ve also requested a meeting but doubt it will happen. I have 0 influence on the process and random changes the parks make to it. I simply write off dealing with the park as another thing to solve to complete a puzzle. Good news, I applied my method to NY and have narrowed the search there to a small V shaped plot of land in a park. “Simple root” is a math term. N=1 you heard it here first! All the clues fit well.

Yes I would have to say the two match almost perfectly, the head and mouth to me are 100% match. I am calling the Parks and Rec today to find out the history of the building . but I am sure this was the original Parks and Recs building, If they can confirm this as being dated to 1982 and earlier....then gentlemen I think we have our "Door" and starting point!

I found reference to the building being used as a senior center since 1980. Did you take any photos of the base of the flagpole? Looks like there are decorations on it but I can't make out details on streetview.

I found this online here is the link http://www.sanfranciscodays.com/golden-gate-west/#senior-center So it does fall into our time line.

And even earlier, back when it was the police station: https://calisphere.org/clip/500x500/b81a4f74f831f8443b3adb8786af4247

I would have to say that this is our "DOOR" and that the Casque is in GGP....Opinion's????? I do have a solve that includes this starting point.

Why would that be the door? The problem I have is it becomes wild and random when we attempt matching of non-unique shapes.

In my opinion there are many clues that lead to this location, 37,ave connects to the 37 in the hair, the door entry way resembles the outer part of the illustration, the matching dragon above the door fits the illustration, I believe that the starting point is on the outer edge of the park, like Chicago , Cleveland and Florida. This building is on the outer edge of the park and has the same MO of a starting point as the others. Again just my opinion.

My take is that this phoenix/dragon match is very strong and makes the western part of the park very promising. At this point, my approach is to find additional visual matches to image 1 before delving into a verse. I would love to see any of the following matched to existing or former features in the vicinity: -the "blue blob" (I keep hoping to see something in the Chain of Lakes or Anglers' Lodge area) -the "Lincoln" profile -pedestal base -ivy around the rose (possibly ironwork on a gate) -barred window (I'm still skeptical of the senior center door match) -any of the symbols around the robe -the woman's face -the "strawberry", which I see as connected to a curving shape to its right I am doubtful of the whole "walking tour" approach to these things and think that if multiple matches can be found for elements of the image, the verse will then become clear.

I believe that the image is of JFK not Lincoln, to me there are more clues that run on that side of the park that runs along JFK.

Goldengate wrote:: I agree that road can be considered to be JFK -- but please, somebody show me any image where that profile looks even close to one of JFK. Honestly, and I'm not kidding, the only resemblance I see is Fred Flintstone (seriously). It's a comparison that's baffled me for three years now. I just don't see it -- just the nose alone, even the chin is a zero match... none of it looks remotely like our 35th President. I think it certainly can be a face... but JFK just feels like a biggg stretch because that's what should make sense. I think it's Reagan. Governor, big issues with Berkeley, etc. Just a visual clue to get you to GGP.

I totally agree with "when you find it you know it", but the problem I am having is that with image 1 it is way more detailed then Chicago or Cleveland and clues in image 1 are far harder to see, For one it is much darker then all the rest the images so it makes it difficult to pull something out and say AH HA! The two AH HA identifier's in both the solves are against a lighter back ground which makes them way more easier to see or pop out as an AH HA moment?

Goldengate wrote:: I'll concede that the image looks a *sliver* more like Reagan than Kennedy... but he left the Governorship of California in 75. He was President in 81-82 when the casque was buried. It just seems like an impermanent clue. Also, doing a comparison of dozens of profiles of Reagan -- both true to life, illustrations, cartoons and silhouettes -- it just doesn't match... it feels like it could be anyone... the nose is upturned and Reagan's nose is anything but. I wish I had something better than Fred Flintstone... I really do. I tend to agree with the wiki page on this one.Looks a lot like political caricatures of Reagan back then. It could be someone else that is pertinent to the search though.

I tend to agree with Regan not being a part of the puzzle, just keeping simple Ideas with the images maybe JFK = JFK the road? Just as I have thought that Spreckles is a very connective way to the air smells sweet. Simple...

Goldengate wrote:: I tend to agree with the wiki page on this one.Looks a lot like political caricatures of Reagan back then. It could be someone else that is pertinent to the search though.[/quote] Grain of salt, obviously, but I'd try to find a visual match to that image within the park. Reagan was out of the office for six-seven years at that point -- Sacramento was the capital and he VASTLY preferred LA. I lived in The City in 82 and connecting Reagan with SF would be the furthest thing from my mind. Seeing as the puzzle was meant to be solved in 82 or 83, I just can't see how anyone else would have thought: AH HA Reagan = San Francisco.... or even = California at that point. Maybe some can make out a passing caricature-like resemblance of Reagan in the image, but to my knowledge San Francisco was the least likely place you'd connect Reagan with in the early 80s.[/quote] I agree. Maybe it just some other feature that people want to look like a face.

Bluebery wrote:: He used his contact in the military for GPS or had direct access. Who knows. One of the early prototypes of an Apple network computer was called “Mark Twain”. Apple was considered THE computer to use for computer publishing in the early 80s. but the First GPS system became operational in 1993. and your apple dates are way off.. Apple publishing did not become a thing until after the Mac which debuted in 1984. Newtorked computers didn't happen until the late 80s. (Source- Me I was there.)

I'm seeing the Mark Twain computer at a late 1980s/early 1990s development: https://apple2history.org/tag/mark-twain/

I suspect he's referring to the four shapes across the top of her robe (circle, square, triangle with dots at their centers) and their resemblance to survey marker symbols.

treetops wrote:: I suspect he's referring to the four shapes across the top of her robe (circle, square, triangle with dots at their centers) and their resemblance to survey marker symbols. Those look similar to symbols that are used in survey plans and general mapping. Normally, they mark the locations of horizontal control (reference points), as well as, benchmark locations (elevation references). There is no accepted standard in the industry for the use of these symbols. Surveyors and draftsmen usually have thier own personalized versions that they use. That is why a key or legend is used on a plan to show what the symbols are representing. Looks like we have a key to find...

I used the USGS standard. Triangle with dot = beacon. The round circle roughly correlated with the Palace of fine Arts ( round building) its interpretive. Bingo, sorry if I too offended, not my intent ever. I posted a suggestion on the “text has clues” page. You might check it out and see if there is merit, let me know, it would support my approach in retrospect. Look for numbers in text that match angles you might discover. I will predict that if this pans out, a whole bunch of these puzzles will start solving. They will not all be the same, but variations on a theme. SF has opposite vectors. NY appears to have a tangency to some round features supporting the simple roots debate yesterday. NY runs generally in one quadrant. So folks with math degrees, apply your mad skills, let’s solve these things.

Nice, well put, and I’m in violent agreement with most of your thoughts. I’d like to add this: BP was traveling and well connected and smart as a whip as you mention. Time on planes, trains and automobiles. He had some time to work things out. Connections, at the end of my book there is credit to several illustrators and artists beyond JJP. These folks were creative and must have had educations in art, art history, music, etc. yeah left brain right brain from math to art. Suppose BP sketched some lines on canvas in pencil. He traced over some of those maps for laying out an image. Then he worked collaboratively with JJP and others to establish and maintain his underlying “map”. He used his contact in the military for GPS or had direct access. Who knows. I would guess when he traced the road to Twain’s cabin and placed it “just right” in the image along a vector it was not an accident. JJP may not have been told what the line was, just to maintain it. So back to art, if I was drawing/painting the image of a person, and from what I’ve studied regarding art, proportion is everything. Our lady’s upper arms are just “weird” proportionally. JJP makes up a lot with the arms crossing, but just look at the outer edges...JJP was better that that. Also with BP living in SF and going to school at Stanford he was exposed to hi-tech early. I grew up in this area. In the late 70s I was privaledged enoungh to see a brief case with a phone dock that could talk to a computer remotely. This was at a neighbor of my uncles in Los Altos. At the time it didn’t seem impressive, I was young. But I think back and that was cutting edge stuff. Early modem. I think BP had access to lots of cutting edge stuff, he was publishing and writing about it. His text references to current events seem to reflect cutting edge events. Remember the guardian Angels? He makes reference to vigilante peacekeepers, or something like that. My mind made the immediate connection.. One of the early prototypes of an Apple network computer was called “Mark Twain”. Apple was considered THE computer to use for computer publishing in the early 80s. Surely a publishing house would get some wind of a network server. So lots of speculation. I used this process and said “what if” and then followed the clues, did research, lots of stuff was a dead end. You have no idea how long I looked at a rock field formation in Calaveras County before deciding to move on. But some stuff planned out, conclusions were drawn. I’m feeling really good about my answer. Just got to get a permit to dig now. Last time no joke.

If you are right, it means we will have to start hunting for image matches hundreds of miles away. That will be fun.

JoshCornell wrote:: youd think youd be right, but your not lol. sorry. According to Q4T, you are averaging over 46 posts per day. Don't you realize that is annoying to everyone else, and ruining these boards for everyone else? Add to that the fact that most of your posts include some boast of how smart you are, and that makes your posts even more annoying to everyone else. Add to that the fact that you have apparently decided to start your own threads in large capital letters stating that you have solved nearly half of the puzzles in about a week's time, and that makes your posts even more annoying - if that is even possible. It is too bad that there always seems to be one person in a large group who ruins the fun for everyone else. >:(

Goonie68 wrote:: Yes I have a probe and my thought is to probe the location first and if I hit something then I would proceed to the next step, so I am assuming inquire at the information center for help? That's great that you're putting feet to pavement, not a lot of people get that far. One thing to remember when probing is that the 2004 casque/box was in about 40 pieces when it was discovered.

[/quote] According to Q4T, you are averaging over 46 posts per day. Don't you realize that is annoying to everyone else, and ruining these boards for everyone else? Add to that the fact that most of your posts include some boast of how smart you are, and that makes your posts even more annoying to everyone else. Add to that the fact that you have apparently decided to start your own threads in large capital letters stating that you have solved nearly half of the puzzles in about a week's time, and that makes your posts even more annoying - if that is even possible. It is too bad that there always seems to be one person in a large group who ruins the fun for everyone else. >:([/quote]

https://www.flickr.com/photos/138281177@N05/40083215951/in/dateposted-public/ This matches the triangle or pyramid on the woman's collar which leads me to believe I am on the right path. This clue you can not see from you google search it's on the ground investigation .

For some reason the images I posted in my earlier post didn't attache. Here they are. Here are the images from my starting point. https://www.flickr.com/photos/138281177@N05/39360041354/in/dateposted-public/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/138281177@N05/26197447338/in/dateposted-public/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/138281177@N05/39172103545/in/dateposted-public/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/138281177@N05/40037998092/in/dateposted-public/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/138281177@N05/26197485488/in/dateposted-public/

Goonie68 wrote:: https://www.flickr.com/photos/138281177@N05/40083215951/in/dateposted-public/ This matches the triangle or pyramid on the woman's collar which leads me to believe I am on the right path. This clue you can not see from you google search it's on the ground investigation . Prayerbook Cross?

Yes, it's the only piece of on the structure that stands out on the bottom, there probably was more on the cross but it has all been decade away, but it's a pretty good match to the illustration.

Keep in mind there are thousands of map landmarks that one could relate to the word "giant," particularly if one is stretching the definition of giant to include "little"

Okay so let’s see if the rock helps our quest. Go get our image and print out a copy that you can draw on. The bigger the better. Now, draw some lines and connect these points. Draw your lines not to just to these points, but beyond them through the image frame in both directions. #1 her right index finger tip to the tip of the “blue thumb” along right edge of image just above her head. #2 from the dragons eye through the pearl to the tip of the rock in upper right skyline. #3 from the intersection of the blue horizontal line (just below the rose) & left edge of image, and the “thumb stalactite” hanging down from the hole in the rocks. #4 and finally follow the skyward gaze of the man with a boater hat through the rock right behind and above him. This line will cross the left side frame intersection where the water starts. All of these lines are parallel. The man in a boater hat is on the SF parks and city seal. He is holding a sextant, noting the survey of lines is a correct method. I like the obscure references too.

Hey GG, the rock is in our image many times and therefore a key. I get that it might not make geographical sense now, it didn’t make sense to me either at first. Casa Grade is outside Scottsdale and also near the rock outcropping. I was asked to be clear. I’m providing my method and will walk you through it. It will take some time. It took me about 6 weeks. When giants were moving camp in the 80s BP would have known this news item. I believe he was a baseball fan. The giants were among the first Cactus League teams if I’m not mistaken.

Okay, now we got a pic with 4 parallel lines. Everyone has been plexing on the moons. Well here it is, they are simply marker points on our image. At a right angle to our existing lines, we can add 4 more parallel lines drawing through the center of the moons. Hint: I opened the image in paint and added some dots in the moon’s centers to help find them easier, my printer kinda kills the subtle transition of the image at moons edges. #1 big moon center to the small moon center immediately to the right. #2 moon above all and left of largest through to both right most moons. Continue to make connections in parallel lines. Making 4. Next draw a non parallel line through 4 moons; lower left to upper right tiny moon. Almost tangent to door opening in rocks. This line gets us a reference for another set of parallel lines. The rose is Angel Island. The leafs are various other points: Treasure Is, Alcatraz, watch is downtown SF, leaf lower left is waterfront. Draw a line from treasure Is to her right index finger tip. Draw a parallel line from the middle of her hair part (golden gate bridge) to the blue thumb tip on right side. Draw a parallel line from the dragons eye to the little blip on her left left shoulder (represents Twain’s cabin location.

There are 4 more parallel lines through points in the image representing various landmarks, near and far. The verse clues us into these landmarks, some more directly than others. Conclusion, too many coincidental lines crossing locational representations in our image with parallel sets to be random. So next we round up all the places we can think of and start collecting a vector to each location from where we think the treasure is located. I used a distance calculator and GPS80 (Global positioning system 1980) to determine my vectors recording angles off true North. I think BP had access to this in the 80s... I came up with 10 vectors that created a compass of sorts that helped show me the way to the location. It was not until I had figured out all 10 vectors, that the compass worked “properly” and provided that Ah ha moment. Up to then I could coorlate certain things as “correct” and verified, but dig location was obscured. More to follow later, stay tuned.

In further discussion on the fb thread, Bliven states that he only dug enough to see the "top edge of a dirty brown box" and was then stopped by park officials. That is somewhat more ambiguous; "top edge of a dirty brown box" could describe a brick, junction box, or part of the pole's foundation. Whatever the object was, it appears to be visible in one of the photos I linked to above.

Unknown: and was then stopped by park officials Usually, "the man" in all his incarnations is responsible for not allowing a dig in the first place. I'll give Bliven credit for putting this new spin on an old standard.

MrSeabass wrote:: BP would not have buried something directly next to a memorial, in a wide open and featureless park, next to a busy street, in view of the public from every direction you can point. I wouldn't call it a memorial exactly, more like a flagpole base with memorial plaques on two sides. If you use Google Streetview along Marina Blvd -- on map view, zoomed in, i see "Stanley Hiller Jr memorial" as an annotation at the spot -- you'll see a solar panel and other electrical gizmos attached to the pole. (I doubt those were there in 1982, but other electrical stuff might have been underground at the base.) I agree that the green is just too exposed for that to have been a wise place to dig, even back in older times. Streetview has a cool feature (which i just now noticed myself) that lets you see earlier snapshots of that location. The earliest is 2011 and the solar panel already existed then, and the additional attachments appeared after 2013. Technology continues to amaze me. Further thought: that is not what I would call a "giant pole" in flagpole standards, and certainly digging right at its based is hardly a "giant step" away. Sorry.

Hello Golden gate yes i will post what I found tonight have some very interesting finds. I will share with the group with photos.

Bluebery wrote:: Not an atlas. Geomidpoint.com. There's that BP time machine again. Geomidpoint.com did not exist before 2007 https://web.archive.org/web/*/geomidpoint.com

MrSeabass wrote:: Need a hand? Seems like you have to keep moving them so often... LMAO

Someone commented something about maybe he just used an Atlas. Maybe I mis interpreted you’ll talking about me. I used Goemidpoint, and did not mean to infer how BP May have done it. No wonder the puzzle hasn’t been solved, for the amount of energy I see here on non productive comments, and stray comments ( both ways). I did say it doesn’t matter how BP could have done it, move on. I’m humored by the attached picks. Let me know when anyone has completed my first exercise in drawing lines over image. I’ll add 4 more, or if you get the gist (point of exercise) you might just figure it out yourselves.

Bluebery wrote:: Not an atlas. Geomidpoint.com. We’ve discussed/ speculated how BP May have done it, which is not really relevant other than somehow he might or could have. Bluebery wrote:: I’ve used the site above to put in my dig location, then other locations, objects, or sometimes just an angle and worked it until I found the clue I knew, or looked along the line for a clue to match. Lots of searching and looking at possibilities. But it's not speculation. The two found solves had coordinates in them. We've found 9 other sets of coordinates that follow the same pattern. This is colloquially referred to as "tunneling." We've all done it, it's impossibly difficult not to. But, It was pointed out earlier as a poor strategy, because it is shockingly easy to work backwards from a site and find dozens of clues. That's because the vague nature of "what is a clue" lends itself to having many interpretations.

Bluebery wrote:: No wonder the puzzle hasn’t been solved, for the amount of energy I see here on non productive comments, and stray comments ( both ways). I did say it doesn’t matter how BP could have done it, move on. A friendly reminder that this entire sub-board is based on critically analyzing each clue/solve, by presenting evidence against it. We do this to new people, we do this to veterans. Not a single solve nor clue has been presented and just accepted, there's always evidence presented to the contrary. It can be off-putting, I totally understand. But it's how this board has always worked, and frankly it's why our work is usually a few steps ahead of every other Secret solving collaboration on the Internet. It's also why Q4T is beating the rest of the internet in casks found, 1-0. We're not here to pump each other up and feel good about our forming yet another semi-plausible solve. We're here to chip away until only that which holds up to scrutiny remains.

Yo, I think the senior center's it. I made a detailed outline of your (treetops and goonie68's) explanation in the giant thread, so everyone can see: viewtopic.php?f=32&t=770&p=135602#p135602 A bunch of regulars missed it because it's in this side thread.

Hello everyone, Brian B here. I think I logged under “secret hunter” too. I’ve been monitoring all the hunts and have been working to find my own conclusions and solution. I’ve written many pages documenting my research. I have posted some of it. I have performed 3 permitted digs near my site. I know others are digging near here too. I’ve been dumbfounded that recovery of the object has not happened yet. However on a positive note, each time I go to the location I find something new. Monday morning I found what I believe are the final bits I needed to obtain the exact location. The puzzle is definitive if you allow it to take you there and make the connections. I processed the information that I found Monday and plugged it into my computer models. Excellent result. Triangle and markers on the surface lined up very well. I can explain all my findings, but would like to recover the casque first. I have leaked some information, confidentiality and trust has been broken by a few fellow hunters. I want to thank those before me who have provided some relevant clues. (I do not see anyone close to my solution which involves math. You either get it or you don’t.) Right now my current blockage is the Parks Department and a particular individual that seems to resist scheduling repeat digs, although the guidelines clearly allow for sebsaquent applications after previous digs are complete. The person is mentioning fees now, and other misleading information. I have attempted to meet with parks to provide full transparency, no return communication yet....I follow their restrictive 1 hour dig process. I did not design the process, it is limiting when you consider that Cleveland had a 6 hour dig time...so my plan is to reapply for a new dig Friday 3/2. Wait for application to be processed, wait for my appointment, then recover at my newly vectored spot. (A giant step from my previous area) After that I will reveal my process. I think it will help solve NY too. There are 2-3 baseball references. (Giant step is a lead off from 1st base) There are multiple other Giant References. Their are 3 things for Twain’s attention. Confirmation clues are in verse, image, and throughout the book. Finally, you need to get out and observe. Good luck to all if I’m wrong. Thanks again for those who have supported. Shame on those who broke trust. And finally my regret and apologies if I recover before some of you who have been looking for years and did not get to where I think I am today. Time will tell. My insurance is a guy in NY who I have shared findings with. No chance he will jump my findings. What about Malted Falcon?

Bluebery wrote:: Hello everyone, Brian B here. I think I logged under “secret hunter” too. I’ve been monitoring all the hunts and have been working to find my own conclusions and solution. I’ve written many pages documenting my research. I have posted some of it. I have performed 3 permitted digs near my site. I know others are digging near here too. I’ve been dumbfounded that recovery of the object has not happened yet. However on a positive note, each time I go to the location I find something new. Monday morning I found what I believe are the final bits I needed to obtain the exact location. The puzzle is definitive if you allow it to take you there and make the connections. I processed the information that I found Monday and plugged it into my computer models. Excellent result. Triangle and markers on the surface lined up very well. I can explain all my findings, but would like to recover the casque first. I have leaked some information, confidentiality and trust has been broken by a few fellow hunters. I want to thank those before me who have provided some relevant clues. (I do not see anyone close to my solution which involves math. You either get it or you don’t.) Right now my current blockage is the Parks Department and a particular individual that seems to resist scheduling repeat digs, although the guidelines clearly allow for sebsaquent applications after previous digs are complete. The person is mentioning fees now, and other misleading information. I have attempted to meet with parks to provide full transparency, no return communication yet....I follow their restrictive 1 hour dig process. I did not design the process, it is limiting when you consider that Cleveland had a 6 hour dig time...so my plan is to reapply for a new dig Friday 3/2. Wait for application to be processed, wait for my appointment, then recover at my newly vectored spot. (A giant step from my previous area) After that I will reveal my process. I think it will help solve NY too. There are 2-3 baseball references. (Giant step is a lead off from 1st base) There are multiple other Giant References. Their are 3 things for Twain’s attention. Confirmation clues are in verse, image, and throughout the book. Finally, you need to get out and observe. Good luck to all if I’m wrong. Thanks again for those who have supported. Shame on those who broke trust. And finally my regret and apologies if I recover before some of you who have been looking for years and did not get to where I think I am today. Time will tell. My insurance is a guy in NY who I have shared findings with. No chance he will jump my findings. What about Malted Falcon? The first rule of Fight Club is: you do not talk about Fight Club.

Bluebery wrote:: although the guidelines clearly allow for subsequent applications after previous digs are complete. The person is mentioning fees now, and other misleading information. Will I jump your site? not a chance in a million years, and if there is anything I can do to help you let me know. If nothing else, lets meet for lunch sometime in SF and compare notes. One thing to remember about the Guidlines you speak of, they are not formal laws, they are basically set at the whim of the management of the San Francisco Parks department. Up to the tv show, I never ever had a parks and rec person have the slightest idea what The Secret was... After the TV Show -everybody in Groundskeeping in SF knows about it, I suspect a FYI memo went out through the city email... There really are no laws regulating this, except for It is illegal to not follow city ordinances, and the city ordinances simply state the parks department will determine the rules for public city areas. That means that the moment a bureaucrat at city hall in the parks department decides enough is enough, all digging must stop. I certainly can see them adding fees to process applications and instituting all kinds of "gotcha" rules, just to make it tougher and their workload easier... Every failed dig gets us closer to that point. so please be sure before you submit a request to dig.