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In another thread Forest Blight wondered why I thought there was a common solution for all the casques and I said it was because applying the simple solution to Image 1 got me farther in a couple months than I had since the the hunt started. Now It could just be dumb luck - so lets test it- and see. I will use Charleston, mostly because I have no doubt about that image = charleston, but I have no pre-concieved notions of whats in it. looking all over the image I see a lion, I see ft Sumter, I see a Fairy. I need an Well Known local land mark. Knowing BP does use rebuses - i.e Milwaukee, Lets try Ft Sumter Ferry.  Where does the Ft Sumter Ferry load up? Ah at the end of a street called Calhoun st.  So I start "driving" down Calhoun streeet.  The first park I come to is Marion Square.  Oh look there is a talll pillar  like the one outlined on the Charlston map. ok let stop here and look around. The big Pillar is topped by John C Calhoun...  What do I know about him.... He set up the bureau of Indian Affairs, so I would guess Natives would still talk about him... is he known for hard words?  Well yes, he was Nicknamed the "cast-iron man" for his ideological rigidity

and this park is also the site of the original Citadel, That would certainly fit the grey giant. ok This is just a lark, I don't know enough local stuff to keep going , but you see how a simple elegant solution could work for all the solutions and still give unique hunts.

Wow, really I had no idea that Calhoun had already been discussed by Catherwood, Sonoran and Shecrab in the verse 10 thread.

I like this approach.  One thing I think it really has going for it, is that there are commonalities to all the images -- the latitudes and longitudes, most obviously.  It might still require a bit of interpretation to find your starting place, but this would at least give some sense of there being an actual method to what otherwise seems to be a very scattered, subjective puzzle.

Getting from the landmark to the treasure ground for the solved casques looks pretty complicated to me; especially in Cleveland. I'm thinking the images contain more obvious and direct clues for Grant Park and the Grecian Cultural Garden than they do for ways of navigating there from those towers (archers and centaurs). Worth bearing in mind though.

just to throw out an entirely different charleston interpretation. Start at the Sumter Ferry get on Calhoun st. go straight go straignt it becomes 30 go straight it becomes folly road. Bam it runs into folly beach. Which has to be considered Rhapsodic man's soil George Gershwin used to live here and it is where he wrote Porgy & Bess and Summertime and the livin is easy. The Folly Wharf could be considered the grey giant as it is one of the largest wharfs on the east coast. Unfortunately it was rebuilt in 1995...

Oh, that's an interesting interpretation. Quite literally, rhapsodic man's soil.

shecrab wrote:: Also, in Charleston, there are bars that bind--two kinds we have identified and maybe more we haven't; there was an Edwin and and Edwina named after him: Edwin Harleston, a famous African-American painter who enjoyed "freedom at the birth of a century" by becoming a well-respected businessman and artist--and who also adopted his niece and RENAMED her Edwina, after himself. Are you referring to Edwin Galliard, Harleston's father?  I'm curious to know the location of the old Plantation.  Or where a painting of it might have been hanging in 1980?

sorry if im mucking up the thought process way back when we were looking for, a connect to the line....Edwin and and Edwina named after him... and it was hard to find anything solid,i got to looking at his last name forrest,never really found anything,looking at shecrabs idea,for Edwin Augustus Harleston,i found he married a Elise Beatrice Forrest i havent had much time to look at,that idea more,when i get some more time,ill check more into it some links,if you want to follow and try to connect it up Elise Beatrice Forrest http://www.usca.edu/aasc/EliseForrestHarleston.htm Edwin Augustus Harleston http://www.usca.edu/aasc/harleston.htm Boone Hall Plantation, ca. 1925/Oil on canvas. Gibbes Museum of Art, Gift of Mr. and Mrs. H. Harleston Fleming (1997.009). Accession Number 1997.009 http://gibbesmuseum.pastperfect-online. ... 5;type=101 http://www.gibbesmuseum.org/gibbes_blog/?p=741 http://tantieanduncleteddy.blogspot.com ... ation.html

Thanks CW! That first link you posted is the article about Harleston I'm most familiar with. I was not talking about his father, I was talking about him. Here is the passage where it speaks about the adoption of his niece, Gussie, whom he and Elise renamed Edwina, after Edwin. Meanwhile, Edwin was trying to show his work and sought commissions. In May of 1921 he showed his work at the National Negro Business League Conference in Atlanta, with his work wedged between a booth selling toilet articles and another selling the possessions of George Washington Carver. His work was well-received but no jobs were forthcoming. Next, he sent out letters to prominent African-Americans in Atlanta. Again, there were no commissions. Harleston did not have much time to paint that year or the next, with work obligations and his activities with the NAACP. He painted mostly family, including his niece, Gussie (Edwina) who was four and now lived with the couple. Her parents had both developed tuberculosis and her mother had died. The Harlestons had no children of their own, and raised this niece as their own child.

What I meant was, where do you think the verse starts, with Mitchell et al (difficult to imagine it being a different verse), and how does the image guide you to that "treasure ground"...? I like Juneau (see bottom of this thread ) but the verse directions seem inescapable, and it's difficult to interpret them as leading anywhere near this spot. The visual matches for the bridge are obscure, but I think they're there. (See here for a three-pronged idea.) (There may be ambiguity over several of the verses including SF, Charleston, Montreal, New Orleans. But I don't think there's much doubt about some of the others like Florida, Roanoke or Milwaukee.)

Unknown: Then the verses should be obvious. I think the method is sound, for divining location from the images. I do not agree with you that That, my dear, is the crux of our problem! And you assume that the verse for Charleston is Verse 10, but it is verse 6 that contains a quote from Treasure Island, and which also mentions a date: 1913, upon which the USS Maine's capstan (anchor winch) was given to the City of Charleston and installed in Hampton Park. The capstan, however, was not sent directly to White Point Garden when it arrived. Instead, it was installed at the western end of Hampton Park after it was given in May 1913. It was later moved to the Charleston Naval Base and then finally installed at White Point Garden 80 years ago this week on July 15, 1927. What accounts for the change of location? According to this newspaper's coverage of the White Point Garden installation ceremony, one speaker expressed his pride in having removed the capstan from "such an obscure place" as Hampton Park. (It is also interesting to note that various pieces and parts of the USS Maine were distributed by May 1913 to locations all over the country: Bangor ME, Canton OH (there was a casque in Ohio), Marion  and South Bend IN, Tacoma WA, Minneapolis MN, Pompton Lake NJ, New York City, NY, Key West FL (there is more than likely a casque in Florida, too), Annapolis MD, Washington DC, Oakland CA (there is also probably a casque in CA), and Reading PA--making the Maine one of the most memorialized ships in the world, and making the USS Maine very  much like Preiss's casques themselves!) Also, in Charleston, there are bars that bind--two kinds we have identified and maybe more we haven't; there was an Edwin and and Edwina named after him: Edwin Harleston, a famous African-American painter who enjoyed "freedom at the birth of a century" by becoming a well-respected businessman and artist--and who also adopted his niece and RENAMED her Edwina, after himself. Just sayin'--and now you have a firm location in this verse (Hampton Park) for something, as well as the Fort Sumter Ferry--maybe your methods could be used to a good effect with this verse?

WhiteRabbit wrote:: Getting from the landmark to the treasure ground for the solved casques looks pretty complicated to me; especially in Cleveland. WhiteRabbit wrote:: I'm thinking the images contain more obvious and direct clues for Grant Park and the Grecian Cultural Garden than they do for ways of navigating there from those towers (archers and centaurs). Worth bearing in mind though. Seriously? Stay on this road til you get to the Triangle, Turn , and then you are in the park where the treasure is... might agree with you if I hadnt used the method. to resolve a treasure ground in SF and I can see it applies in Milwaukee too

Not sure where you're coming from with Milwaukee. I thought your theory was about using the image to get from the landmark to the treasure ground where the verse starts, but isn't the interpretation re: Lincoln, the staircase, the bridge etc pretty definite already? Why do we need to worry about finding where it starts? It's where it ends that's the problem. I think the verse starts on West Wisconsin, but I don't see clues in the image to get me there from the city hall. Where do you think it starts, and how do you find that starting point from the clues in the image?

I think milwaukee starts at the front door of city hall goes to the right along water street. and ends at the end of the street. and enters the park. This is not very near the current location. and no the interpretation so far is not definite at all for two reasons, 1 no site confirmer images in the image. 2 no casque. IN San Francisco, I jumped into the verse at a very obvious clue, and from there I was able to come up with very logical, very rational reasons to end up at the Giant of the Forest Totem Pole. I was able to make the verse work quite well, The only problems were no casque and no site confirmer images.

Interesting idea, though I'm not sure I fully understand it. How might this work with New Orleans...?

The idea is that the image contains everything you need to get to the treasure ground. The treasure ground being defined as the spot where the verse takes over to guide you to the casque location. To do this Each image contains  latitude/Longitude that generally define a box around the city that contains the treasure ground. Based on the 2 found images and adding in San Francisco, there are several things we know will be in the image: A well known place to start , Iconic Image (Chicago Water Tower, Cleveland Terminal Tower, Golden Gate Park) A path the iconic image is located on a particular street (Michigan Blvd, Euclid Ave, 34th Ave) The Path's end a picture in the image to tell you where the path stops, (Bowman, Triangle, Lincoln) Possible path direction The direction the figure faces may tell you which way to go on the path. Casque Site Confirmer Images Things you can see from the burial spot (fence post, Wall, parking lot) Treasure Ground Confirmer Images Things you can see from the treasure ground (fountain, Pillars, Barred Window, among others) Maps , maps are hidden in the image (State, State, Park) Fountains , each image contains a view of a nearby fountain

There are also several things we know to be in several images but not in all images. Maps -  Its possible not all images have a map Fountains - Its possible not all images have fountain Rebus - at least one image has a rebus in it. I think that by sharply defining how the image works, It indicates definitely when you are in the right place. Then and only then should you look around a figure out which verse works for your treasure ground. I beleive that is the correct way to determine which verse to use. So basically my suggestion is to entirely abandon all verse work/suppositions ideas and concentrate on resolving each one of the images beyond a doubt to a particular treasure ground. Then the verses should be obvious.