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We know that at least one, I think two (do I hear three?) of the casques are in [shadow=red,left,300]CANADA[/shadow] . A discussion started in the "What's been found thread" and the thought was to move that element of the discussion to keep it clean. So for your entertainment and edification, I would like to use this as the starting. Bring on the speculations.

We know that at least one, I think two (do I hear three?) of the casques are in [shadow=red,left,300] CANADA [/shadow] . A discussion started in the "What's been found thread" and the thought was to move that element of the discussion to keep it clean. So for your entertainment and edification, I would like to use this as the starting. Bring on the speculations.

thanks for the thread Duck.  BP verified for me that there was 1 casque buried in Canada.  Why bury 11 casques in the US and only 1 in Canada?  Logically thinking, the Canadian site must/should (or at least one would think "could") be buried in Canada but have strong US ties.  One location we may want to look into is Halifax...the site of the cemetary for those poor souls of April 14, 1912.  Just a thought.  8)

thanks for the thread Duck.  BP verified for me that there was 1 casque buried in Canada .  Why bury 11 casques in the US and only 1 in Canada ?  Logically thinking, the Canadian site must/should (or at least one would think "could") be buried in Canada but have strong US ties.  One location we may want to look into is Halifax...the site of the cemetary for those poor souls of April 14, 1912.  Just a thought.  8)

Can I add a perhaps silly observation? If you read the back of the book, the Personnae pages, you will notice that John Palencar appears to be from Ohio, and has published in the Cleveland Plain Dealer.  Byron is from NY, but also from Pennsylvania and Stanford (not too far from SF).  Both Kelly and Mann hail from Canada. If you were burying stuff, wouldn't you do it in someplace with which you were familiar? If we can find out where Kelly and Mann were in Canada, especially if it's the same place, I bet we'd have good shots at where the cask is. wilhouse

Can I add a perhaps silly observation? If you read the back of the book, the Personnae pages, you will notice that John Palencar appears to be from Ohio, and has published in the Cleveland Plain Dealer.  Byron is from NY, but also from Pennsylvania and Stanford (not too far from SF).  Both Kelly and Mann hail from Canada . If you were burying stuff, wouldn't you do it in someplace with which you were familiar? If we can find out where Kelly and Mann were in Canada , especially if it's the same place, I bet we'd have good shots at where the cask is. wilhouse

remember though in egberts interview it was BP who said he came up with all the clues...

He did indeed - but Kelly and Mann may have helped to provide locations for the clues to be crafted. Anyway Sean Kelly was born in Montreal and now lives in Brooklynn so there is a double connection. I think Mann is from Toronto - but I'm not sure.

I have to admit the possibilties there, but I suspect he wrote the clues and got that all straight before involving writers and artists. The quote from the painter indicated he just painted what he was told to.

I thought I read that John P. told Byron that he had a great place to hide a cask in Cleveland, which lead to the Greek gardens. I bet the other guys gave him ideas too. wilhouse

Based on the premise that the nationality of the fairies indicate the location - I submit: If you believe the connection to New Orleans and French is strong, then Montreal (the largest French city outside of France) and Quebec City would logically be excluded. Further if the link to Salt Lake City is tenuous as suggested in "What has been found" than that leaves us looking for an Italian city. The largest Italian speaking city outside of Italy is Toronto.

reasonable logic.

I know you mentioned Italian, but how about this? The word "Onguiaahra" appears on documents as early as 1641, and a little later "Ongiara" . Both are Indian words thought as meaning "The Straight". A more romantic meanings " Thunder of Waters " is also given . The usual distortion of unwritten word have transformed it to "Niagara" . http://www.niagara-info.com/historic.htm wilhouse

Please take a quick look at "State shapes and maps in pics?" Reply#19 - for a bit on the Niagara location. I have been waffling back and forth on these two locations (T.O. and Niagara), becasue I can find so many reasonable fits in both verses and images. My other logic for these locations is strictly based on the populations. If you want to sell books you either locate items in an area of large population (Toronto, Montreal) or in locations that are very widely known from a tourist perspective (Niagara, Toronto, Montreal) and that are readily accessible by even larger populations (all of these are close enough to the border to fit the bill - Niagara even more so). The Italian connection I am craving may be "Little Italy" in Niagara Falls New-York or it could be for Maria Spelterina the only woman to cross the Niagara gorge on a tightrope.

Here are the latitudes and longitudes of Canadian cities: New Brunswick: Fredericton 45.55, 66.37 (but too far from border?) St. John 45.18, 66.10 (too far?  city too small?) Quebec: Quebec 46.49, 71.11 (too far?) Montreal 45.30, 73.35 Ontario Ottawa 45.24, 75.43 Toronto 43.40, 79.24 Hamilton 43.16, 79.54 (too small?) St. Catharines 43.11, 79.14 (too small?) Kitchener 43.26, 80.30 (too small?  too far?) London 43.2, 81.34 Windsor 42.16, 82.58 Manitoba: Winnipeg 49.54, 97.7 Saskatchewan: Regina 50.26, 104.40 (not too far over) Saskatoon 52.14, 106.37 (far over) Moose Jaw 50.37, 105.31 (too small?) Alberta: Calgary 51.1, 114.1 (far over) Edmonton 53.34, 113.28 (far over) British Columbia: Vancouver 49.13, 123.06 Nelson 49.30, 117.17 (too small?) Victoria 48.25, 123.21 Santa's Workshop (really far, but not with ruby slippers)

I would add to your list: Nova Scotia Halifax 44N 63W It is a good port for immigration. If you look in Image 9 at the upper right edge of the man's hat (his left), you might see the outline to match the shore of the river northeast of Halifax. Unfortunately I cannot NOT see the number 39 in the man's hairline, the bangs sticking out from his hat.

catherwood-- I did find what I think is a 39 in the curl of his hair on his righthand side.  At least I THINK it is a 39.  This is definitely worth looking into, the Halifax idea.  Thanks.

Halifax is also, as I stated before, a place with meaning for the US as well .....  Titanic graveyard.

Here is a good web site on Point Pleasant Park in Halifax since parks seem to be our locations. http://www.pahs.ednet.ns.ca/PPP/index2.html#MainPage This is a huge park with lots of trees and trails (ideal for a burial site) but not many statues that I can find.

Cat--  Where is the 44?  Did you already answer this?  I'm a bit fuzzy today.

cat--  oops.  Sorry to post again, but I forgot another question.  Do you have a good link that shows the river that looks like his hat?  I was hunting around and couldn't find it.

So how exactly do we know for certain that there is a casque buried in Canada? Two bits of evidence. First, Chris mentioned this over 3 years ago on another thread; here is the actual article. I don't remember when or where I got it: Notice that it explicitly mentions Canada. However, the following article just as explicitly mentions "48 states." So which is right? Fox posted in 2004 that BP had confirmed to him that a casque was buried in Canada. Could BP have been mistaken or misunderstood? The idea of a Canadian casque rests on Fox's memory or e-mail archives. If we could eliminate Canada, that would narrow it down quite a bit for us, because if there is a Canadian casque, and if P11 is Boston and P9 is St. Louis, that means there is no casque in New York City and by elimination P12 *must* be Canadian. Fox - do you still have that message from BP?

Nice post. As far as the Chicago article, we know that some other parts of the article are not entirely accurate.

Trohn - that is a good point. The reporter was ill-informed about the interpretation of the verse.

the book does specifically say the jewels are buried in North America, not just the United States. Of course, that could include Mexico!! wilhouse

Latitude & Longitude for Canada: http://www.bcca.org/misc/qiblih/latlong_ca.html There are a few with 74 in it.  Cornwall Ontario, St Jerome Quebec, and Valleyfield Quebec.  *If* image12 is there, I'd guess Quebec. I'm laughing as I say this, Toronto and Niagara Falls are both 43 and 79.  (Vancouver is 49 and 123.)

forest_blight wrote:: So which is right? Fox posted in 2004 that BP had confirmed to him that a casque was buried in Canada. Could BP have been mistaken or misunderstood? The idea of a Canadian casque rests on Fox's memory or e-mail archives. If we could eliminate Canada, that would narrow it down quite a bit for us, because if there is a Canadian casque, and if P11 is Boston and P9 is St. Louis, that means there is no casque in New York City and by elimination P12 *must* be Canadian. Fox - do you still have that message from BP? Sorry about the delay.  Here is the very brief response I received from BP.  I think my initial email to him said something about I was really enjoying the hunt and I asked about the Canada casque rumor: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From : Sent :  Monday, April 7, 2003 2:08 PM To : [email protected] Subject :  Re: "The Secret" |  |  | The Secret | Inbox thanks! yes, there is a treasure in Canada. |  |    |  |  | The Secret | Inbox Get the latest updates from MSN ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- so, which city does this knock out?  NY?  hmmmm

NO. I think it knocks out Florida.

I'd hate NY being knocked out, but hey.  I would then consider, now hear me out on this and don't smite me, image 12 with the NC verse and image3 with Canada (verse ?). There are really no visual confirmers for either.  The #74, this is difficult to put at Ft Raleigh, but if the # is part of the longs and lats, (L&L), then with what I posted above, 12 would have to be NY, right?  If anyone has any kind of inclination of 3 being canada, or 12 being NC, why not spend a little serious time trying to link the images to the place. Personnelly, I've been doing this all along, and finding 100% confirmers for either image has proven to be just plain hard. edit: Canada verses- 10, 9, or 6?

Trohn - I find the evidence for St. Augustine to be much more convincing than the evidence for NY. Just for the record.

Conquistador, palm tree and all--I agree--The evidence for St. Augustine seems more solid, at least for now.