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Ok folks, I think the time has come to start this thread. ------------------------------------------- Now, everyone please turn to The Tax Burden on pp 214-215. 1) firstly & most obviously, look at the shape the belt makes hanging from the $ bag...look familiar?  Yup, the 76 or whatever in P9. 2)  now, look at the odd looking nose on the creature holding the bag.  Yup, looks just like the nose in P9. 3)  reading the text on pp 214, last paragraph:  "If we ordinary people keep our eyes open, we, too, can occasionally see a Tax Burden--escaping through a loophole, to join the Gnomes of Zurich."  Now, looking at the Littany of the Jewels....."The opal of the Lowland Gnomes: A cloud of shining, shifting smoke."  P9 is a Gnome and pp214 talks of the Gnome. could all this be coincidental?  Possibly, but may merit a look.  With the 82 train on pp199, I really dont think anything directly points to Houston (except maybe the "H-beam" so maybe there is something else to find.  The Tax Burden does not mention a specific city so........?..... just thought I would point this out

I posted this in Image 6, but it is worth keeping a running line on this "train" of thought: Look at the picture that Fox pointed out on page 199 in the book of the train.  That train looks almost exactly like the 982 train in Houston.  It is very distinctive, with it's flat, round face and pointed cow catcher.  Of course, the number 82 on the top helps... Now look at the I beam on the left.  There is a clear letter H on the end. Yes, it's an I beam, but it is turned sideways. I beams are always flat side up and down, especially sitting on it.  Also, the H is highlighted. The comic book the person is reading is Hawkman.  There are hawks in the zoo. Also look in the background at the left side by the I beam.  There are the 4 posts from Image 8. It doesn't necessarily point to Houston, as the H could be Hermann, but what it does do is help link Image 8 (the 4 posts in the back) with Verse 1 (the 982). wilhouse

Just to throw another one out. look at the pic on p. 137. The table cloth looks a lot like the fading and irregular checkerboard pattern on image 7. wilhouse

Ive wondered for months if we were horribly overlooking obvious clues in the text of the book. I believe there ARE confirming clues within the parts of the book we seem to be ignoring. 1 example to start off: on pages 221-220 there are the 'Origins and Whereabouts of the Fair People'--this allows you to pair a certain Fair Person to a certain city/state. One of the first things we noticed (falcon and i working on AIM) is that the Fairy from Ohio is a 'Mind Boggles"--when you look him up in the 'Guide to the Fair People' he is listed as a CULTURAL fairy. Interesting his cache was found in the Cultural Gardens. I have noticed other connections as well but they are too numerous and some too far out to mention. I want everybody to READ THE BOOK--i know that it says you 'only need the verse and pictures' but i mean cmon...when did we decide the book itself held no clues? I think it does.  😉

True, we are told that we only NEED the pics and the verses.  Yet we are not told whether or not the other parts of the book will HELP. Thanks, fox, for your insight on Gnome pic 9.

The C on the Chicago Worlds Fairy' hat (shown twice) matches the C on the neck of the gnome in Picture 5

Here's something interesting I just found out from the zoo director at the hermann park children's zoo. There used to be statues in the childrens zoo.  Two of them were statues of hawks.  One of the hawks had a wing broken off. He's trying to find out when. If I hadn't looked carefully at p199 and the Hawkman comic book, it might not have meant anything to me. wilhouse

the hawk statues are quite interesting indeed wilhouse. Here is a little more on the Tax Burden pp214 -The last part of the 3rd paragraph under "History" mentions Sewards Folly.  In a nutshell, W.H. Seward had a big hand in the purchase of Alaska from Russia.  Because of this, a city/town in Alaska was named Seward Alaska.  Now, any guesses on this cities nickname?  It is (also) known as The Gateway City.  Hmmmm, St. Louis anyone? -in describing the Tax Burden, it is described as "an obese, greedy, grinning monster..."  sounds a lot like our person in P9. a little more on our Handimaticore pp82-82 - in the pic that clearly shows a 222 (Lane 222) there are numerous welding supplies in the lower right corner as well as the large sign on the wall for soldering tips.  Well, one of the most common types of welding is known as arc-welding (..see an arc of light) ? ? ?

This map is from page 10 of the book.  I keep thinking that maybe, just maybe, it would help us, but I'm not having much luck.  Maybe someone can make more of it than I can. Here's a legend for the lines: 1. Elves, Trolls, Grims, Nissen and Tomtra 2. Vazily, Leshy, Poleviki, Domivye, Vily, Ruskalki, 3. Dwarves, Witchl, Hutchen, Rhine Maidens 4. People O' Peace, Trows, Brownies, Silkies, Kelpies 5. Sidhe, Leprachauns, Fir Darrigs 6. Fairies, Pixies, Hobgoblins, Boggarts 7. Alven, Klabaurtermannikins, Gnomes 8. Korreds, Lutins, Dames Blanches, Loup Garoux 9. Centaurs, Nymphs, Satyrs 10. Hadas, Duende 11. Folletti, Farfarelli, Salvani, Aguane, Linchetti 12. Djinn, Peri, Deevs 13. Tree Fairies See how line 12 is the next-most-southern line?  We're pretty sure there's a Djinn connection with Houston, so maybe Houston is the next-most-southern casque site.  By the same logic, line 9 would go to Cleveland due to the connection with Greece and the Centaurs.  There aren't many places in the U.S. south of Houston: some of Florida (Tampa, Miami), a small bit of Lousiana, and Hawaii.  We're also pretty sure there's a casque in Florida, so maybe that's line 13?  I'm struggling with how there could be 7 or 8 casques north of Cleveland and only 2 south of Cleveland and north of Houston - we're pretty sure we've identified Roanoke, Charleston, and San Francisco that would be in that range of latitudes. I am open to the possibility that there's nothing here, but I didn't want to leave this stone unturned.  Thoughts???

Look at the pic on this link: http://www.flickr.com/photos/brainspiration/340305656/ then compare to page 178...

Jim---Nice find! It would sure seem that BP (or at least a member of his team???) was indeed in Boston!  Do we infer that he also buried something there??

Cool! This one's in New York, and would seem to be a closer match.

FB I would say that is a much closer match. Excellent. Is there any information about the location, maybe chinatown?

I found it by searching flickr.com for "Chinatown phone booth." The photographer had this to say: "New York always seemed to be a black and white city to me and I spent a free week-end during a business trip in 1979 recording some of its sights and especially the street life." Because this is a double booth it's probably not the phone booth in the book, but we can bet it was in New York's Chinatown.

Fenix - I don't think anyone's claiming this will actually help the hunt. We're just happy to have found a phone booth depicted in the book, even if it's in the section that doesn't pertain to the casques. If you look closely, the designs are different. The Boston one has light script on a dark background; the opposite is true for the New York and book photos. Also, the frame around the text in the NY booth is an exact match to the book's booth, as is the lack of a see-through panel in the back. Also, the book's photographer (Ben Asen) was definitely New York based at the time, according to his brief bio on the last page. Here's his website: http://www.benasen.com/

ohhh... i wish i could type, do up spreadsheets, etc! back to my theory again... if you plot out all the information in the book (funny and otherwise) together, you get interesting info. The litiny is great... it tells what the jewels are, and who brought them. (i think the flowers are confirmers to match the gem pics up...so many tend to look alike). Also, there's a further breakdown of who's who in the chapter following?(don't have my book with me, and senility is setting in), such as a breakdown of the different types of fair folk from cathay, for example. The vanishing tells of the different people they encountered (tribes) and where each was last seen (presumably with their jewels). the tribes can be mapped out (the calusa in florida, for example). now the good part... each of the fair folk(the funny stuff) has a location, point of origin, etc. (their sightings come from the chart near the end of the book). it also shows where they were sighted (and since fair folk don't die, they should still have the jewels, presumably in the state stated). some overlap, some are ubu's, etc. but my guess is there are pictorial or verbal clues in their bios to help get us there! ... bye...

There may be something to anagramming based on the rhyme scheme. The poem that comes after the pictures says "yet fairy secrets come in twos" which we have assumed means that the two are the picture and the verse, but it could have a double meaning. The last 2 lines of the poem say "For Fair Folk's peace, Goodness first." This line seems irrelevant and out of place with the rest of the poem. However, when you look at the last 2 sentences before the italics on page 32, the book says that "If Man is good, and kind, and playful, he or she will find them. That is the Secret." BP may be telling us that that is the secret to the puzzle. Notice that he uses the word "good."  When he says "Goodness first" later, it may be a clue as to the letters to use for an anagram or to something else... Shannon

As some others have noted, there does seem to be clues to the puzzle in this part of the book (like the reference to Euclid in the Calcubus description). I mentioned on the verse 10 thread that I think the grey giant is the Empire State Building.  Here are my reasons....There is a picture that resembles the famous King Kong scene in the section titled Corporate Giants . Then on the page across from it (p. 192), there is a picture of a punch card that says New York. If you look at pencil on the punch card. it looks like the Empire State Building coming out of a map. There is a shadow from the pencil. I'm not sure what to make of one other thing that I saw. Maybe it will spark an idea for someone else. On page 195, if you turn the book upside down and imagine the "P" from the illustrator as an eyeball and the "e" as a nostrl, there appears to be a picture of a shark eating an arm. Strange... Shannon

The Boogieman, Daemon Runyon & Alibi Elf Finally got some time to write these up Since I first read the book I have suspected that the Boogieman photo on page 93 is San Francisco. Today I was searching through photos on Flickr and found the approximate location the photo was taken from. It seems to be a bit below Bernal Heights facing Twin Peaks and Sutro Tower. Sutro tower would be on the hill just to the right of where the photo stops. http://www.flickr.com/photos/octoferret/363919251/ This seems to me a sly way to link Image 1 to Verse 7. Sutro tower could be described as 3 high posts. Daemon Runyon on page 113 shows 2 dice which seem to form roughly the shape of California. Also the tops both have the 1,  Hwy 1 runs north and south through the state. On Page 112 the Ace is before the 2. Ace=1. In both illustrations Daemon Runyon has his legs crossed. I wonder if this could be somehow related to the crossed arms in the Image (ignoring the fairy's crossed legs in Image 2 of course ) Alibi Elf on page 127 appears to me to be an inmate in a prison cell with his lawyer. The barred window is a bit similar to the window in the rock in Image 1. The bird makes me think of "Birdman of Alcatraz". Alibi Elf's briefcase has the letters G and E separated by a gap. The briefcase handle is above this gap, and if you look closely you will see it is the letter C with a period. The G and E both also have periods after them. Putting them in order you get G.C.E. What's it mean? I don't know!

Don Faun On page 133 is Don Faun. I noticed the bottom of his right leg is extended a bit like the "legeater" in Image 9. The illustration and text both mention the U.S border. Hmmm. Backyard Barbacreep on p.86 has the legs in a similar position.

Ever since boogieman connected the Stylus Devils with "arm that extends over the slender path" I have been trying to find similar occurrences in the FPFG. Below is what I have so far, but I have been stuck for some time, unable to come up with any more. Please help me add to the list! p.61 long palm's shadow (v6) p.83 two twenty two (v5) p.89 Giant pole Giant step (v7) p.91 arm that extends over the slender path (v10) p.93 Not far away high posts are three (v7) p.115 (man of) oz - OH-ZEE (v11) p.121 shelter their heads for a night (v2) p.151 Falls gently in December night (v1) p.171 In the shadow of the grey giant (v10) p.189 All the letters are here to see (v3) p.213 (Seek) the columns (v4)

okay guys, i'm just putting this down now, not prepared for arguments , as you know i'm  going thru the book (slowly) trying to make sense of it.  when i came to the boogieman on p. 92, it has the picture of the  guy playing the saxophone and someone said that was taken from sutro towers (i think) in san francisco. in the book it says of the boogieman under spotter's tips: Too white puppets tryin' to dance in [b]too tight, [b] too bright neon pants. 222 there's a 222 club in san franciso on hyde street the boogieman is african, and can be found anywhere and he's cultural. also, the Handimanticore on p. 83 is in a basement, and the #222 is shining bright in the picture. the 222 club in san francisco is in a basement. this sight has the history: http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu ... d=86433805 just another picture: http://www.slide.com/r/aRF05p_v6T9_K1G1 ... zsMB?cy=ms the part i haven't found yet, on p. 92 it mentions "truth teacher, dream teller", which seems like martin luther king to me or washington ( couldn't tell a lie). for the life of me i can't get the bold to work right........i only wanted to highlight the word "too"  three times i did find that a mlk walk starts on king street at the caltrain station p. 92......."sweatin' cool in a clubfoot step".................club p. 82 handimanticore...."lightning rod ........thunderstorm"...........there's a ben franklin statue in washington square park that supposedly has a time capsule, and i saw a p.o. box on the outside :/. these are just first thoughts as i'm reading. maybe washington square park.

Not sure, but I think most MLK and MLK Street/ave/Blvd. post date the Secret... Could be wrong so be sure to check dates

thanks malted, i'm looking more toward washington (truth teller)  square park as it's only blocks from chinatown. the only thing is........verse 5 with san francisco......oh well, it's halloween, good day for tricks. lol another wacky idea i had and i'm not sure how they're connected or if they are, but, the boogieman (p. 92, california) is south african and if you read the maitre d'eamon on p. 58, you can only pay with "krugerrands", which are south african coins.  and when i look at the picture on p. 59 of the maitre d'aemon, his shadow sure looks like alfred hitchcock, and coit tower was built because of lillie hitchcock coit. and when i look at the maitre d'aemons snakeskin boots and i think that's a snake by his hand, i think of lombard street, because it winds and winds, or maybe the snake represents the dragon at the gate of chinatown, it has the same gap in the middle.......................  (see picture below) so i'm thinking maybe this casque is at a restaurant or special club or something.. the picture(p. 59) has "dining guests please wait to be seated". still not through making my way through the book, so i might still find more connections. but if the 222 is connecting the boogieman and the maitre d'aemon, then verse 5 would have to go with san francisco, if the picture on p. 92 is that area. i saw a south park there which would go with "of a forest to the south", but that's just a cursory glance around, i liked washington square because i couldn't find any other sculpture besides ben franklin, "the only standing member".  but then treasure island was dug and extended for that world fair i think. look at the entrance to chinatown............with the dragon on top of the gate, to go with image 1, 8th row down: http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl= ... l%26sa%3DN that gate is supposedly close to union square, which has admiral dewey monument, and ( i know this might be reaching) on the top "victory" was modeled after alma speckles, the handimanticore p. 83 w/ the 222 is on a bucket of spackling.

the chinatown gate is newer than 1981

malted, this site says 1969: http://www.inetours.com/Pages/SFNbrhds/Chinatown.html

here's another anomaly: p. 193 corporate giants "evidence of their presence can be found throughout the country, however---Houston and Dallas are possibly boot prints where they have stomped.  Each is but a man step for Giantkind." doesn't that make you think of verse 7, that we have been putting with san francisco? ........with the giant pole, giant step? .....but then, it mentions dallas and houston.....and the pictures make you think of houston, rockets, or space center. hmmm, jackson street runs right up to herman park.....

slappybuns wrote:: malted, this site says 1969: http://www.inetours.com/Pages/SFNbrhds/Chinatown.html you must be correct then, but I swear I saw something about the gate being installed in the late 80s but I cant find it now, so I must be mistaken. Sorry bout that

slappybuns wrote:: doesn't that make you think of verse 7, that we have been putting with san francisco? ........with the giant pole, giant step? .....but then, it mentions dallas and houston.....and the pictures make you think of houston, rockets, or space center. Personally, I do not believe that the rest of the story {little snipits describing strange fairfolk} have anything to do with the hunt.  There are some very interesting finds but I don't think BP intended the hunters to use them...but then again... Yes, that is good logic, but I don't see how V1 can go anywhere else besides Houston with the line from Pierre.  Another thing that muddies the waters of your theory is that if it is indeed true, I think we have multiple entries leading to one place.  I do not have my book with me at the moment but I am sure that one of the entries has a picture of a train engine clearly showing the #982 {also pointing us to Hermann Park with V1}.  Now we somehow have entries directly relating to 2 seperate V's leading us to one place. I just don't know....

fox wrote:: I do not have my book with me at the moment but I am sure that one of the entries has a picture of a train engine clearly showing the #982 Actually, "No. 82" -- truly a curious coincidence if the rest of the book is irrelevant. We've also found some suspiciously suggestive parts of the front story.

Thanks for the correction...but even so, yes, I think that a #82 on a locomotive is suspiciously suggestive when we have a locomotive #982 at a dig site. But, what about the multiple pairings?  That can't be good

i was hoping reading the book would clear things up, but i feel i am getting more confused you're right fox, about verse 1, i'd forgotten about the quote.  it's the job goblin on p. 198 that has the #82.  was there a maintenance shed for the workers there at the park?  it mentions punch cards, coffee machines and "under transmissions" , which i thought could be a phone.  it sounded like where workers took their breaks. malted, i'm glad you checked because i don't even trust what i read anymore, thanks i'm going to go ahead and post other things i find as i'm reading, but i'm only doing cursory checks on stuff, so if you find something i post that goes against all reason, please let me know (like fox and malted did), before i get going too far, ok?

how about this one.... the high interest wraith p. 206, 1st paragraph: "found on either the downturn or the upswing. Wherever a small deposit will hold or no serious offer is refused, he makes his mortgaged home." this sounded like golf to me so i typed in golf bank: http://www.golfsavingsbank.com/company_history.htm the picture on p. 207 has the wraith on a bank bag and you see the words "savings bank" the picture on p. 206 has the letters L A E N........LANE this is a different one but thought it might pertain to St. louis or St. augustine because .........just because this is from the "unreal estate brokers" on p. 204, 1st column, last paragraph, " Heavenly Cities"......you know........saints

one thing i caught on p. 182 gnome enclature was "obscure synonyms"....and then we've seen BP's play on words like "oil of L.A." i was reading The Post Monster General (p. 186) , it mentions isadora duncan, (who was born in san francisco)......and thinking,....post, mail, telegraph hill.........natural jump for me ......and it says, "how he made his way from italy to these shores remains a mystery" and there is christopher columbus statue, of course it could be any christopher columbus statue anywhere still kindof putting verse 5 with this.......with alcatraz and the birdman.........and the "forest to the south" could be pioneer park i don't mean to confuse anything....just seems a lot of work to these fair people for them not to have something........

Don't forget, the field guide was put together by a couple of people from National Lampoon, not BP.  I do not know what input, if any, he had in the words or the drawings.

oh wow, thanks Egbert, i didn't know that! probably end up chunking these notes on these guys, unless i find a connection to the greek and irish solves to something concrete in the guide. thanks!

Slappy, i wouldn't chuck anything.  Keep the notes forever.  Plus, I think it's possible that BP read the field guide before the verses were written and gleaned something from it.

a cool find i went to my aunts for T DAY, she asked me to take 2 boxes, that she had kept for me from my years of living in fla. i opened them this weekend and found the THE SECRET. i knew i owned it at one time, but thought it was lost im going to try and read it a few times over the weekend who knows maybe there is a hint or 2 in it

here's a couple of other things i find interesting in the guide: on page 206, the high interest wraith, there is a picture in the first column and under the picture it says: Money-loving High Interest Wraiths are about to foreclose on Oklahoma. Again. the capital letters in the sentence "MHIWOA", anagram to "who am I"..........in the bill coming out of his mouth, it has the letters (the ones i can read) LAEN......LANE on the big picture on page 207, it has the 10 dollar bill..........and alexander hamilton is on the 10 dollar bill in the first column, 3rd paragraph, it says:[i]A flickering light in the night, he sings to us in a voice of promise/i]................statue of liberty? or a lighthouse? frank sinatra? 2nd column: 1929 crash.................wall street? men in top hats selling apples..........the big apple, new york? lincoln? uncle sam? still looking on the new jersey side

Oh heavens, I feel guilty -- are you telling me I'm going to have to dig out my personal copy of the book and start looking at it?  It's been such a long, long time . . . but I do remember there being a list in the back that neatly summed up the Fair People and their locations.  Perhaps, we should use process of elemenation, since some of the territories did overlap, and since two of the treasures have been found, all those fair people can be taken out of consideration? Also, perhaps the illustrations in some way have connecting/matching illustrations matching up the black and white panels with full full color plates.  For example -- is anything in the Chicago World's Fairie picture similar to the Chicago site?  Did the text describing that Fairies habits and hangouts mention something that was shown symbolically inthe color plate?  Also, since several types of fairs can come from the same, overlapping vicinity, maybe we should be looking for someing all the overlapping territories symbolically have in common and cross referencing it to the color plates with all the pictures, and using the color plate and poem as a confirmer -- rebus style?  And do pieces of the peomes ever get mentioned in the fairies write-ups? Darn . . . must go find reference book hardcopy . . .

paperclip, the ones that are solved didn't use anything but a verse and image.  egbert said the guide was put together by other people, not BP.  i'm just adding stuff i've found just in case, and because i like messing with it, lol. i have used the origins page in the back, and tried to match each fair people with whereabouts. i've even made lists like this: 10.   SPAIN- Hadas of Iberia----Hadas, Duende, (EUROPEAN) p. 152 Bugbear, Environmental  (western European, france, spain, germany)               (7, 8, 3,10) p. 206 High Interest Wraith, Economic (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) p. 176 Jack O’Lectern, Informational (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) p. 148 Spirit of ’76, Political  (1-13) p.  174 Werner Von Brownie, Informational , (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11, 12) ANYWHERE: p. 150 Jack B. Nimbus, Environmental (1-13) i was thinking that maybe, like this one has 2 environmental, 1 economic, 2 informational, 1 political, that maybe that was a clue. but then my geography is awful, and what i think is european or western european is probably different than what others think, and i'm just doing it for fun, because i'm not going on a hunt i could put up my whole list (if anyone wants it), but all of this is probably not necessary for the solves, and i know checking on these guys has totally confused me and got me going down the wrong "PATH"s. right boogieman? lol but when i find something like the "who am i" ......makes it fun

slappybuns wrote:: i could put up my whole list (if anyone wants it), but all of this is probably not necessary for the solves, and i know checking on these guys has totally confused me and got me going down the wrong "PATH"s. right boogieman? lol but when i find something like the "who am i" ......makes it fun At first I was amused by the PATH reference.  I think I said "The only thing that extends over the slender PATH tunnel is the Hudson River."  I didn't consider that the Hudson Bay broke into two (arms), one is the Hudson River and New Jersey is just on the other side.  And that river is sometimes in the shadow of the old WTC.  Yeah, you confused me alright.   ;D  I can never just go to work without looking around.  Ever!!

Jambone wrote:: This map is from page 10 of the book.  I keep thinking that maybe, just maybe, it would help us, but I'm not having much luck.  Maybe someone can make more of it than I can. Here's a legend for the lines: 1. Elves, Trolls, Grims, Nissen and Tomtra 2. Vazily, Leshy, Poleviki, Domivye, Vily, Ruskalki, 3. Dwarves, Witchl, Hutchen, Rhine Maidens 4. People O' Peace, Trows, Brownies, Silkies, Kelpies 5. Sidhe, Leprachauns, Fir Darrigs 6. Fairies, Pixies, Hobgoblins, Boggarts 7. Alven, Klabaurtermannikins, Gnomes 8. Korreds, Lutins, Dames Blanches, Loup Garoux 9. Centaurs, Nymphs, Satyrs 10. Hadas, Duende 11. Folletti, Farfarelli, Salvani, Aguane, Linchetti 12. Djinn, Peri, Deevs 13. Tree Fairies See how line 12 is the next-most-southern line?  We're pretty sure there's a Djinn connection with Houston, so maybe Houston is the next-most-southern casque site.  By the same logic, line 9 would go to Cleveland due to the connection with Greece and the Centaurs.  There aren't many places in the U.S. south of Houston: some of Florida (Tampa, Miami), a small bit of Lousiana, and Hawaii.  We're also pretty sure there's a casque in Florida, so maybe that's line 13?  I'm struggling with how there could be 7 or 8 casques north of Cleveland and only 2 south of Cleveland and north of Houston - we're pretty sure we've identified Roanoke, Charleston, and San Francisco that would be in that range of latitudes. I am open to the possibility that there's nothing here, but I didn't want to leave this stone unturned.  Thoughts??? Based on fiddling with page 9, I thought I would progress on to page 10, realizing, of course, results may vary . . . Looking at the first letter and last letter of each word, andtreating the results and an anagramable data set, I got: 1) AS AGENTS STAND 2) IVY PRIDE YY 3) H M DRESS L NW 4) BESPOKE PT SSSS 5) DRESS L SF 6) H BP F SSSS 7) ANGK SS 8 ) LL DX BP GK SSS 9) CN SSSS 10) SHED 11) III AF FILES 12) SPIN DD 13) SE FT Plus the extra characters that are not officially listed on the chart give the answer: NEW STUDENT SPY IS H MAN IN ND

i'm reading all your stuff paperclip, but i'm not quite sure if i wanna go that far into codes with this.  we know that the guide does have pictures that relate to certain verses, but we haven't found the exact thing that fits each. i'm trying to stick with easy, simple word play and because he mentioned "obscure synonyms", that kind of stuff.  but ya never know, i hope you find something a couple of words you've come up with, i've had in my notes.......like "teams" and "jamaica" just yesterday i was reading about how new students rub mr. harvard's toe at harvard, so it caught my eye.............who knows.. if we don't respond, we're still reading

ive looked at that map, and thought well if i could find the other half of it, ( and ive been looking) LOL looks like something from an old grade school book maybe

i did find 2 sometime back that are close not a match http://www.lizardpoint.com/fun/geoquiz/worldquiz.html pasted wrong link i deleted, cant find the 2nd found it could it be an old nat geo map http://www.nationalgeographic.com/xpedi ... ld-dwl.gif

I was looking through some old CDs and Pink Floyd's Animals caught my eye. It reminds me of the 4 towers in the top left of p.199 (Job Goblin). The 4 towers also appear in Image 8 but a bit differently.

It's the Battersea Power Station in London.

but, "animals'............zoo   ;D makes you wonder about the pink flying pigs...lol it's funny how you got me thinking with this post of "pink" floyd,  jimerson, since this is the djinn picture, i reread the guide on him and it mentions he can be "found at the bottom of one's third bottle..." isn't the old saying something like "he starts seeing pink elephants?" or something like that..it's funny when i was researching this b4 i never saw this steel welded elephant: http://www.houstontx.gov/municipalart/elephant.html does the wall behind it look like the floor of our image?  i can't tell.....or is it pink? i think it's interesting that it is at the western entrance to the zoo, bad part is it was put there in 1982 the picture on page 123, the rum is called "pockink"......if you're drunk, you might have meant "parking" or maybe the "pink" is important, or "poink, lol, pink pig i like the idea of the "gorilla" too (not sure if it is still there),  for king kong mentioned on the corporate giant p. 194, and the picture looks like a gorilla body, well it says keynes kong.....atropos key?, http://books.google.com/books?id=NgEAMI ... nxyrQHN0uI and i was wondering if this could represent the fallen sculpture under the camel, and....it is "pink" granite....... http://www.eduardo-chillida.org/Detalle ... 8d3.0.html it also mentions "a circus like procession".........merry go round, carousel? maybe it has a "pink" pig, lol i guess this is our floor of our image. http://members.virtualtourist.com/m/p/m/28a2ed/

in my research (awhile back) of the fair folk, i came to the conclusion that the fair people that go with each image might just be a kind of list of what is in the park. here are some of my notes for image 7 (french): small businessmen-----never far from a telephone, gnomes (gnomes and money, hehe), the 7 dwarves? mined diamonds, caves daemon runyon--gambling, letters on race card, m-e-a-d-o----A Dome? ........and   E-M-P-I-R-E-S-U prevolutionary warlock--well marked historic trails spirit of st. louis--lindburgh flew to paris, france, french...troglodytes (dwarves?), help us aboard (train) maitre daemon--hugh lagoon...huey long, louisiana governor, get it ...lagoon...long, lol-------- waiter whose hair has been painted on.....mcdonald's restaurant? passing fancies---Love design from NOMA spirit of '76-  fort st. john----  -http://neworleanscitypark.com/guides/markers.pdf of course, i narrowed the notes down, but these guys were definitely French i keep wanting to say something about "sounds", it is in several verses, in verse 2, "sound of friends".......marconi drive, marconi, inventor of the radio and then in verse 7, "sounds from the sky"........the sutro radio towers?

i'm not sure if this was right or not, but i put the tupperwerewolves with the french, i'm not good with maps or geography, but they were the only dutch fair folks. is that where you all would have put them? using the map on p. 10.... anyway, the picture on the tupperwerewolves on p. 137 has a tupperware bowl and ketchup and mustard on a checkered cloth... but it made me think of a sugar bowl (and the french picture is new orleans), and they have the superdome there......sugar bowl? i tried to match the mushroom thingie with the mississippi river, but didn't do too good a job, with the bowl in between, either way, seemed like it could match up to any of the parks that we've talked about. but maybe someone could twist the mississippi better than me

here is my list for Image 3: England--The Garnet jewel remember my theory is that these guys just say in an obscure way what is in the parks: the ones in " bold" are English only p. 62 preps ghoul (English/)--alumni of expensive boarding schools, tended the ivy and climbed with it, balding blond people of either sex look and laugh like their horses, preppy manifestations; madras monograms, duck prints, caulfield maneuver (horse racing? track?).........england, the english? p. 66 pill grim -boring objectional old goblin, colony, all work no play,  hard straight back chairs .............the theater? p. 70 screaming mimi- --baby, ivy, sweet chirping cherubs, child free, odor, aroma,(tobacco?, flowers?),   public means of transportation, breast feeding-------------virginia dare, ? fragrance walk?  walking? p. 76 scrububus- (English/Scottish)white glove, soaps (TV), mother's little helper, domestic kindness, ( long list of cleansers), Out! Out! OUT!-------------virginia dare, indians, lost colony play? the queen seems to wear white gloves? exit? exit the gardens? p. 80 saucier's apprentice: (English)--fire, oven, fireplace, julia child (child, virginia dare?)---elizabethan room stone fireplace? burning? the theater did burn once p. 88 team spirits----(English[/b)-  outfield wall, field, most noted by their absence (the lost colony), where large groups of people gather to watch smaller groups, do not associate with "nice guys" because they finish "you know where", both uprights and the crossbar before dropping down on the wrong side............................the play, finish? end? last? the ceremonial pole?  this could be the gate too i guess........the last row of seats where the audio stuff is? p. 96 sophomore jinx (German/French/English)- pennant waving, biggest mannikin on campus, roaring 20's, flapper, boat night, by charter krazy kampus kutup kancels klasses and kareers...........not sure what this would allude to except shakespeare, he used alliteration a lot like : "whereat, with blade, with bloody blameful blade" ................. the shakespeare herb garden? or like a shakespearean play?? p. 108-passing fancies- (French/German/English-Anywhere)-cultural-music, dance, scarlet kneelength shorts, etiquette, u's and non u's, museum..............the play? u's? use? don't use? museum? [b]p. 124 the filthy hobbits (English)---tobacco..........the indians? they gave us tobacco p. 148 spirit of 76- (European/African/Asian-Anywhere, but rare) maximum distance from monuments erected to her fame, hope, brave and free, darkest times............theater, hope (child?), theater (at night)? p. 150 jack b. nimbus (Anywhere/Anywhere)-weather, england (rains only twice a week, once for four days straight, and once for three days straight), look up!..........the lost colony play? look up? north? or just the weather p. 162 torontogre- (English/)-transmitters , hybrid hanging plant (ivy, high bred?), broadcasting, noble dame, kapital of kultur (here's that alliteration again, with a K) patroness of the arts, queen's park crescent--------the play, shakespearean play? p. 166 union jack-(----English/British Columbia, pacific coast now Canada---Regional)-----colonials, cast iron "raleigh" bicycles, queen's birthday, anything to do with the queen, crest, lawn bowling team, find the boy (small catholic boy), high tea, shakespearean festivals, singing in the reign ................(the play in the weather)................... highT, the ceremonial pole?, the cross?,  the field?, raleigh, queen "The first spade of dirt was turned for The Gardens on the Coronation Day of Her Majesty, Queen Elizabeth II, on June 2nd, 1953." p. 174 werner von brownie (Chinese/European/Florida/Texas/California)-reaction, fireworks display, experiments-------------------fireworks with the lost colony play? that gans guy's experiments? p. 176 jack o'lectern (European/North Carolina)--anywhere a microphone is, public addresses, audio system, rows of folding chairs, waiting grinning in the wings (picture looks like stage and seats)--------the lost colony play p. 198  job goblin-[/b] (English)-workers, autumunal equinox, brotherhoods, not proper name----------------the play is seasonal? p. 206 high interest wraith(-European/)-con man, big movie musical, flickering light in the night-------------the theater? this one has the picture that i anagrammed the capital letters to say "who am i" and the next picture had a $10 bill....so i thought hamilton, but now i think it means you have to pay? here's an interesting tidbit i just read, and maybe solves the "k" thing, ( i was thinking some kind of alliteration) "We did walk around the reconstructed village and watched the blacksmith make a nail, and went out to the dock where the ship had been. The populace of the village tried to talk in Elizabethan English (one of them said that the 'k' that we normally leave silent was pronounced then, like k-not and k-now)" knight, knit, knickerbockers, knap, knuckle, knob, knife, kneel, knee......or maybe just some "k" word if anyone has seen the play, do you recall hearing them talk like that?

pg 96 maybe refering to the play grease, did the play, olay at waterside in the 80s

cw, the sophomore jinx goes with the German, French, and English...........so some of my notes on this guy might go with image 7 or another image, have to keep that in mind i'm glad you made me look at that again......it has been awhile since i did these notes these guys are English only: Prep's ghoul, pill grim, screaming mimi, scrububus,(oops, scrububus is Scottish and English),  saucier's apprentice, filthy hobbit, torontogre, job goblin , team spirits, i'll stress that on the list above, ok? see, i put the scottish guys with the english, and that's a totally different list, i didn't even add them up there and if the guys said "European", well, that is almost every image, so they go with all on my notes (almost): The Spirit of 76-European, African, Asian.........................American, declaration of independence Jack B Nimbus-Anywhere, everywhere  (every image).........................i think this guy just means you have to contend with the weather Union Jack-English, British Columbia, Pacific Coast now Canada Werner Von Brownie-Chinese, European, Florida, Texas, California...............................fireworks display? Jack o'lectern-European/North Carolina.........................................maybe something you have to listen to High Interest Wraith- European, oklahoma........................i think this guy means you have to pay i didn't put "all"  that i had on my lists, just what i thought was pertinent, so you've got to take that in to account, that i'm twisting stuff to fit, maybe. but certain ones like "raleigh bicycle" and "anything to do with the queen".......you can't misinterpret that i noticed a few things on the list that i want to add, so if you read it before, check it again, ok?

scottish list:  (in case it goes with the English) SCOTTISH 4.  SCOTLAND, Isle of Lewis (EUROPEAN) p. 172 Dixie Pixie, Regional p. 202 The Giant (Economy Size), Economic p. 206 High Interest Wraith, Economic (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) p. 176 Jack O’Lectern, Informational (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) p. 148 Spirit of ’76, Political  (1-13) p.  174 Werner Von Brownie, Informational , (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11, 12) 4 of them are already on the english list, the other two are these: P. 172 dixie pixie-p. 172 Dixie Pixie------------Celtic/Irish/Scottish-The North-----Regional N. of Mason Dixon Grits, corn pone, natch? Trolls for gators, football season, bowl weevil, Seattle Kingdom, Jersey’s giants, Volvo, ivy league faculty club  long island, sour mash p. 200 GIANT (ECONOMY SIZE)------------Scottish/ Idaho--------Economic giant enceladus, giant Enceladus appeared in one particular region—either Phlegrathe "burning plain" in Thrace[2], or Pallene.[3] Greece, grease Grocery store, universal product codes, consumer cozener,stamped of weenies, from hard under, frambs famous frank ranch, over by the sundries, frugal bottom and Many a mickle makes a muckle, small thing comes in big packages-------------------visitor center?  gift shop?

those numbers beside the names, i'm pretty sure they apply to the numbers on the map on p. 10...........i think that's how i did it  ;D sheesh......that bold screwed up again............those that aren't english are not bold when i go to fix it.........but anyway, i listed what's what , ok?

not sure if it's gonna mean anything, but wanted to say "tree fairies" came from africa..............hanging tree? or palmetto tree on the flag? just thoughts to keep in mind

here is my list from the map on p. 10, and i am really bad in geography so if someone could correct i would really appreciate it.  if anyone knows what us cities would match the same lat/long lines as these lines #1----Norse/Swedish/Scandia/European #2----Russian/Eastern European/Transylvania/Vienne/Central Europe/Polish/European/Austria/Hungary/Swiss #3----Germany/Western European/Polish/European/Swiss #4----Scotland/European #5----Ireland/Celtic/European-------------------------------------------Chicago #6----England/European #7----France/Holland/European #8----France/European #9----Greek/European-------------------------------------------------------Cleveland #10---Spain/European #11---Italy/European #12---Asia/Persia/Chinese/Middle Eastern/Arabian #13---Africa i have two for France ..........but one of them does have Holland so maybe that makes a difference and #12..............does that mean there is only one of these?? then how do we have san francisco (china, asian) and houston (persia/arabia) also.........i did add #14 for the Native Americans okay, where they started from doesn't help so making notes on where they settled: #1-Norse/Swedish/Scandia/European---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Image ?              scandia provided the casques #2--Russian-instructed the Mohicans-Hudson Valley (not New York City)----------------------------------------------------------------Image 12 #3- Germany/Western Europe/Polish/European/Swiss-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Image 10 #4-Scotland/European-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Image  5               scotland and ireland, single nation #5-Ireland-leprachauns-smoking tobacco-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Image 5 #6-English-gave lessons in Archery to the Catawba Indians (NC/SC)----------------------------------------------------------------------Image 3 #7-France/Holland(Dutch)-Canarsie tribe, specifically in Manhattan-(New York City)------------------------------------------------- Image 9 #8-France/European--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Image 7 #9-Greek-mention of half-horse men----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Image 4 #10-Spain-lived among the Timuca and Calusa tribes,(FOY, florida)------------------------------------------------------------------------Image 6 #11-Italy-(the Folleti) settled with the Powhatan-on the shores of New Jersey------------------------------------------------------Image 11 #12-Asian/Arabian/Persia/Cinese/Middle Eastern-instructed tribes in Southwest in weaving (Texas/Ca?)----------------------Image 8 and Image 1 #13-Africa-(no region listed)-tree spirits and Caribees resolved differences w/mutual love of music and dance--------------Image 2 caribee tribe was on island north of cuba (all of north america?) and discovered by Christopher Columbus

i wonder if the italian image ( image 11?) would go with Verse 6, the verse with the COLON because of the fair folk believing COLON SAVANELLI the Discoverer of the new land, "an intrepidly nautical Folleto from Genoa"

these are the french guys: the maitre d'eamon p. 58 (french) mentions "briquet( from the bowels of mordor's mount doom".........cafe du monde by jackson square? beignets from cafe du monde? http://www.cafedumonde.com/beignet.html the cafe would explain the checkered tablecloth in the image, maybe "seated right by the kitchen door". don't understand the part about it doesn't take cash, only krugerrands. krugerrands (s. african gold coins). "exit ......the sight of the captain's palm (jackson statue?)  "arrived with lafayette" (gereral lafayette? square), "lack of manners to jefferson' s butlers in monticello"(genreral butler, took possession of new orleans? sent there to assist andrew jackson) (jefferson avenue?  "from there he moved north to the capital (baton rouge?) where he inflicts four-star ... (general? washington avenue?)filmore blvd (city park)robert e. lee blvd (city park) "array of annoyanes on devotees of michelin and mcdonalds alike"  (washington avenue?) hugh lagoo----huey long?  lagoons at city park?,  food , "waiter whose hair has been painted on.......mcdonalds? ugh, we have general jackson, general lee, general washington, general butler p. 161 spirit of st. louis---------"smiling porters, helping us aboard" wonder if that wavy line on left side of image is shape of city park already mentioned tupperwerewolves (france/holland), but they mention coffee gossip (cafe du monde) and the picture is like a coffee shop, (talbecloth and condiments) sounds like jail, slam of windows, deadbolts and clang"or the fence around general jackson?....gallier hall bible belt..presbytere rustle of shake and bake--------pontalba apartments?  #15? cabildo, where the louisiana purchase was signed? p. 126 alibi elf (nolo contendre (close to Nola for new orleans la : gallier hall (the guys in jail) "explanations that begin "frankly....".........benjamin franklin butler? "and in all honesty....neither frank or honest........................so not butler and not lincoln p. 128 " how do i look from the back.......shape of jackson square on edge of dress? and looks like writing in the mira chimera......guess it would be backwards, hehe (mirror) might just say new orleans p. 112 daemon runyon...gambling, casino bldg? friends?  jack o' diamonds--jax brewery? steamboat mississippi 1929 market crash......central business district, french market? no idea if the pic on 113 is a map, but the words "meado, charts, selects, empire are in bold.......dome, empire,, elect, start ? wonder if the wavy shape on right side of image is shape of city park.

Good stuff. I found the following quote from Eg after he'd spoken to BP (in the Cleveland thread): He also said that the pages following the verses (which make up the bulk of the book) have no connection with the puzzles, and contain no additional clues. I guess that's what the French call a volte face. I remain open-minded on how useful this stuff is. We don't know exactly what was said, and there's plainly a lot of obscure mumbo-jumbo in there that echoes things that turn up. (Plus it means I can still dredge up obscure references to the material before the verses without a qualm.)

yeah, i feel they are just pointing to things in the area. very confusing

Have you come across "The Field Guide to the Little People" by Nancy Arrowsmith? If you want to research Korreds, Alven, Leshy, etc., this looks like a good start. Check out the contents pages, and the artwork. I reckon this was on BPs shelf. http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=kVSh ... &q&f=false

i found this yesterday and wondered if it could be where BP got the indian story, it's about daniel boone http://books.google.com/books?id=wWtIAA ... &q&f=false he went back and got his horses from the indians

i can't get webster out of my head......look at "the gnome enclature" p. 183...........the guy is on a (webster?)dictionary opened to "O", and down at the bottom in between his feet (lower) you see the words "a bridge" it could be "our bridge (verrazano)"  or it could just mean "abridged" and it just talks about the etymology of words..........languages.........

"They would continue to dwell in the hills, forests, and waters around the land, but they would hide themselves so well that they would never more be seen. Of course, the Yar-Ons all laughed at this and said it could not be so. But it was so... That is how there came to be Shining People, big and little, powerful or foolish, always invisible but still living in every place across the land. I saw that happen!" I don't want to start cluttering up the image threads with talk of stereograms that no-one believes in, but I'd like to encourage you to see these. They're in every pic. That's why they're so blurry, with ghosted edges. I don't know how familiar you lot are with stereograms, so let's start with something simple. Can you see the Greek letter Pi in this one? If not, go here: http://home.clara.net/s.cotton/programm ... oview.html (The ones in the book aren't exactly like this, though the effect is similar. Horizontal lines can mark a change of depth. Some of them have a bit of a pop-up cardboard-cutout look.) I'm wondering if there's a random dot stereogram in image 12, though if there is, it's quite elusive.

If we have to see stereograms...I am out of luck. I do not have stereo-vision Would JP really have been able to paint stereograms?

hi guys, i really think it's just showing the glass baubles and peter minuet, (or that's what i'm sticking with for now) i figure he just did "fish eyes' using alcohol on paint like this: (scroll down) http://www.watercolorpainting.com/water ... lcohol.htm ( see, i've been making my own canvases and frames with my power tools from valentine's day )

You didn't answer the question though Slappy... Ever tried the "Magic Eye" stuff...?

yes i saw the pi symbols  🙂 i tried that with the image, never could get anything none of it can hurt, remember the verse that goes with image 8 say's "perspective should not be lost"  ( i was thinking from a child's perspective, or being little)........not that i'm a child, i mean more from a child seeing things, closer to the ground...is that clear?

Fair enough. I ordered a pair of anaglyph specs off Ebay today just in case. Cost over a quid, but I'm leaving no stone unturned to solve this thing. (At the moment I see stereograms when I close my eyes. I see stereograms in bus shelters.)

this is so exasperating, let me just show you a couple of words that have so many meanings, like harmony and bliss and those: p. 30 host- Can you imagine the host of Fair People...1. Throw a party (tupperwerewolves p. 136,  "You can throw a party and find out."  (tupperwerewolves are from Holland, "bores", "Kaffeeklatsch conversation" 2. army  3. cloud 4. master of ceremonies 5. multitude 6. press (pack of hounds, devil dogs? marines?) 7. congregation 8. society 9.  horde (which makes me think of "huddled masses")  10. mob 11. Throng , throng is used several times (p. 29 "grim faced throng" ) inexorable-  p. 30  dashing like foxes before an inexorable pack of hounds"............1. set in stone 2. Prospect 3. grave 4. grim (pill grims) 5. hanging over 6. in the wind, in the cards  7. i ronclad 8. cruel  9.  rigid 10. hard and how about "inexorable" meaning "prospect".. he mentions "obscure synonyms" somewhere, and i believe this is what he did maybe he's just saying behind sculptures "set in stone"  , though one of the solved ones was just beside a fence right? guess that would still be considered set in stone (cement)  🙂 i still like robert moses, on page 16 it says "Law of the Prophets", and then i found this: And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. or maybe "God's Word".. or the hymn "Rock of Ages " and we found other religious parts in the book ........ soooo i'm not trying to be sacrilegious or whatever, just playing with words. i've been trying to see if there was a trick to match verses with the front of the book also wonder if maybe a sculpter was "him of hard word", bartholdi (statue of liberty)  also did the statue of Lafayette in Union Square, and plaques are in the park mentioning it, i think. and union square has a big greenmarket  (nearest carrot)  ("The market always attracts throngs ")  and it had the statue of george III

the joke fiend p. 73 i think it's german under the picture it says: J. F., corny as Kansas, visits Henny Youngman for good material. capital letters spell:  JFK    Hy is there a JFK highway in lake park? handimanticore p. 82 guess that would be the service yard, don't know what the 222 would be

slappybuns wrote:: guess that would be the service yard, don't know what the 222 would be Lane two twenty two...?

see how confusing.........he's german and we have the verse for the german one right?  the three stories of mitchell.... i was gonna try that lane 222 one with the african jewel, because of "midnight" rock, might mean "12 (paces)", so was gonna try to fit it with marion park, since the citadel was there, and washington street is not far away

Unknown: Over the years, with each new wave of immigrants from the Old World to the New, came a new host of Fair People. Like their human counterparts, many remained fiercely dedicated to their Old World ways; others intermingled. Pixie married Elf; Sylph married Duende; Folletti courted Troll...with fascinating results. But all remained true to the pact of the emigres of the First Passage. The heritage of the later Fair Folk is mixed...I don't think you can pin a field guide entry on just one particular image.

i know, plus that other verse has the charleston quote was trying to match the litany with verses, but maybe they just point to  the image

I don't know if it matters but Preiss once said that nothing in the litany was needed to discover the jewels. wilhouse

Would think that speaks volumes wilhouse.

Ditto

wilhouse wrote:: I don't know if it matters but Preiss once said that nothing in the litany was needed to discover the jewels. wilhouse I expect he would have said the same about Abroad in America . There's a difference between saying it's not needed, and saying it contains nothing useful. I prefer to take the book at face value, and explore any possible avenues. The Opal of the Lowland Gnomes: A cloud of shining, shifting smoke. "...Yo-Rib and his companions standing, at length, in a few small, heartbroken bands, their backs to the Pacific, as the sky darkens with the oncoming smoke of trains and trade..." We are told that Yo-Rib is one of the Huron, "the Quebec-based tribe". Image 9, Montreal, features a legeater outside the home of George Stephen , "a Scots-Quebecker banker and railway executive in Canada", first president of the Canadian Pacific Railway. Italicised words in the final paragraph of Small Businessmen (P211): Small Wee Little Short Tiny Low Dwarfs "Wee" is Scottish, and the Small Businessman is described as being of "lowland Scottish extraction". All of these connections between Canada, trains, banking and the Dutch and Scottish lowlands may be nonsense, coincidence. On the other hand, finding that John Redpath was also a Scots-Quebec banker, that there's a building with a fair match for Image 9 at the edge of a park on Redpath Road, that the Three Bares is outside the Redpath Museum, etc., it encourages me to take a closer look. I still think it's worth staying open to these possibilities, and it doesn't do any harm to discuss them in their own thread. Also remember that the Chicago puzzle was solved despite misinterpreting several of the clues. Whatever keeps people looking, and guessing, and trying to find these casques, is OK with me.

from the litany, just messing around Peridot of old Italy: Antique, and olivine, and rich. antique--old olivine--magnesium IRON  (old ironsides) rich----independent holmes wrote "old ironsides" poem,  holmes path boston common signing of the declaration of independence monument boston common http://www.publicartboston.com/content/ ... nce-tablet or of course.....old ironsides itself Fairies of England proudly bear----------------proudly bare-------------virginia dare, bare naked,  first seen standing (usually portrayed as a baby) Garnet, crown-jewel of their Queen

slappybuns wrote:: Antique, and olivine, and rich. (Another possibility for "rich" might be Richard Shaw .)

Unknown: The Hadas of Iberia: Sapphire, shy as a wild field flower. ---- (P6) Did Preiss write that or was it one of the other writers? If he did, then I'd like to take a closer look. Does Hadas pertain to a scholar of Classical history? Does this refer to the Georgian and Ancient Greek named Iberia or the Spain Iberia? Wikipedia: Caucasian Iberia: Depending, this might have significant implications. Next question, how do we take the meaning of "shy" in connection to a wild field flower?  I wonder what kind of flower and if its a clue to a state flower. Unknown: Hadas noun Moses , 1900–66, U.S. classical scholar, teacher, and author. Started at SomethingAwful I googled "hadas definition" and found: I've taken courses in Classics and they were always about ancient Greece, never did I study anything to do with Spain.  I don't know Spanish, and I'm unfamiliar with the word "Hadas".  Google Translate verifies, Hadas = Fairies. Who's Moses Hadas? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moses_Hadas It mentions he was a colleague of Lionel Trilling but I don't think that has any connection to the casque sculpturist JoEllen Trilling. Hadas had a small number of books relating to topics of Greek drama and literature. The usage of parenthesis to say "the Iberian Hadas (that is, the Spanish Fays)," from the Litany of the Jewels, just caught my attention as a both a way of clarification and reinforcement.  Is it necessary?  Without the parenthetical portion could we consider some alternative?  If Iberia and Hadas didnt' both have the hint of connection to ancient Greece, I wouldn't have raised a stink about this.  My real concern was that in 1980, a person might've had one of Moses Hadas' books readily at their fingertips and it could've been an assumption on Preiss' part that one of the readers of The Secret would at some point look deeper into things relating to Greek drama and literature.  Another concern was in trying to understand why he'd call a wild field flower "shy" and if that was a State flower hint for the image relating to Spain with Ponce DeLeon.  The state flower for Florida is the orange blossom.  The state flower for Oregon is the Oregon grape.  The flowers in the image are purple, usually a color associated with grapes, however the Oregon grape looks more like a holly with berries and nothing like purple daisies. The Litany of the Jewels is very odd and so I'm suspicious there's some crytpic references in there to either lead or mislead us.  It's hard to say, IMHO.  After seriously considering the Moses Hadas idea, I'm leaning towards it not being a worthwhile lead.  Thanks for letting me share my thoughts.  Sorry if I elicit too much criticism.

Just a new thought on an old idea... [img]http://C:\Users\John\Desktop\The%20Secret\Houston3.jpg[/img]

Maybe not. Having trouble posting the pic.

Ok since for some reason I can't post my pic I'll just try to explain it. The idea was brought up that page 199 has clues to Houston. For a while I've been looking for some sort of confirmation that the other random images in the book may help us. When this image was brought up I thought it was a great find so I dug deeper. Anything will jump out at you in some of these images like an ink blot test. Especially if you already have a city in mind. So take this for what it's worth. I like the references to the train, the columns in the background and the H in the I-beam. What I found was the word HOUSTON. It really jumps out when you start to see it. Start at the H beam and move clockwise. Use the trains wheel as the O and the bottom edge of the smoke next to the wheel as the U. This is where it jumps out. The S is the smoke shadow on the right border and under it you'll see the T. I'm not completely sure on the O but it could be the loop in the rope, the bottom of the bottle or maybe more smoke. Then turn the pic counterclockwise 90 degrees. The N is in the bangs of the man on the bottom by the money. Again take this for what you will but I see it plain as day.

To post a picture, do this:   [ img ] [ /img ] and the link in between. No spaces between []'s and img and /img. Just did that so it would show up in this post.

test it! find images with the words Chicago and Cleveland.

Deuce wrote:: Ok since for some reason I can't post my pic ... We cannot upload pics here.  What you can post is a LINK to your pics, which means you need to upload them elsewhere.  The use of the IMG tag only embeds the URL of the image within your post and fetches it for display so people don't need to click to see it.  The image itself is still being loaded from another site.

I'll do that catherwood. I was just going to add an attachment like I have before but it won't let me for some reason. Malted, I'll try to find other hidden clues but just because Houston is (possibly) spelled out doesn't mean all the cities will be. There may be other subtle clues but not necessarily spelled out.

Deuce wrote:: I'll do that catherwood. I was just going to add an attachment like I have before but it won't let me for some reason. Be careful... when I tried to upload as an attachment, it didn't work either. I thought I was doing something wrong. The third time I tried to submit the post with an attachment, well, verse 2 thread no longer works.

Deuce wrote:: Start at the H beam and move clockwise. Use the trains wheel as the O and the bottom edge of the smoke next to the wheel as the U. This is where it jumps out. The S is the smoke shadow on the right border and under it you'll see the T. I'm not completely sure on the O but it could be the loop in the rope, the bottom of the bottle or maybe more smoke. Then turn the pic counterclockwise 90 degrees. The N is in the bangs of the man on the bottom by the money. Again take this for what you will but I see it plain as day. http://s1312.photobucket.com/user/18deu ... 7022849745

Wow.  I would say that that is definitely "Houston" hidden in that picture.

While I do believe that you found "Housto" in the picture, and I figure the "n" is the guy's elbow below the "o," I do not believe this was an intention. I can also find, quite clearly, "St Louis" and "New Orleans" in the picture. I haven't tried it with other city names, but the ability to create letters in this picture is great, and there is more than one spot that could be considered a letter. For instance, the "H" is all over, and the last "o" could easily be an "e." When I started writing this post, I had this uneasy feeling I had just been urban smurfing.

This one illustration may be the exception to the rule.  It clearly has the train and *a* number (but not *the* number), and a few of the elements have the feel of deliberately hiding letters (but not all of them), as if to suggest the beginning of the city name.  This has a different feel (to me) than simply seeing puppies in clouds (or the many suggested images found in the waves of Image 12, for example).  No other image comes close to giving me this sensation.  Even if this were an accident or an experiment in hiding clues, it is incomplete.  How could you gain any further information from it? Plus, we run the risk of inventing clues where none were intended.  We are told to use the 12 images and 12 verses, no more.  Just flipping thru all those pages of "Fair Folk", I find Toronto listed and start to question our Montreal half-solution.  This way lies madness.

oh look I found a clue.

maltedfalcon wrote:: oh look I found a clue. ...exactly.

maltedfalcon wrote:: oh look I found a clue. Touché. I'll give you that one. At least give me credit for looking for clues. And you don't need to be smart about it.

apologies, was trying for humorous...

Looking at the picture I wouldn't completely discount the possibility that John Pierard knew something about Houston. It's an interesting thought, since he's never made any kind of comment on the puzzle. I once tried contacting him about it on Facebook but he didn't reply. (I think I was asking if he could confirm that the Field Guide contained no clues.) https://www.facebook.com/JohnWPierardArtPage

Not to beat a dead horse with this Field Guide but... Page 109. New Orleans? Oddly dressed people. Some with strange hats. One with a mask. One with odd sunglasses. A couple with beaded necklaces. Mardi Gras theme? Perrier is French. The NO image is our French image. And this... [url=http://s1312.photobucket.com/user/18deuce18/media/NO_zps7b9d02af.jpg.html?filters[user]=137468122&filters[recent]=1&sort=1&o=0#/user/18deuce18/media/NO_zps7b9d02af.jpg.html?filters%5Buser%5D=137468122&filters%5Brecent%5D=1&sort=1&o=0&_suid=138127537987909766799303882518]http://s1312.photobucket.com/user/18deuce18/media/NO_zps7b9d02af.jpg.html?filters[user]=137468122&filters[recent]=1&sort=1&o=0#/user/18deuce18/media/NO_zps7b9d02af.jpg.html?filters%5Buser%5D=137468122&filters%5Brecent%5D=1&sort=1&o=0&_suid=138127537987909766799303882518[/url] Found our clockboy and the "LOVE" sculpture from the NO Sculpture Garden. Is it a possibility that this has some relevance?

That is a possibility. I can't find when the LOVE sculpture was installed in New Orleans, but there are others all over the world: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love_(sculpture) Clockboy, though -- yeah, wow.

Yeah i know there are a number of those sculptures. Just thought since I found other references to NO it may be that one.

This part of the book has a number of photos of the fair folk characters strategically placed at various locations. Amazingly, I found this site while looking for the New Orleans Duelling Oak. Coincidentally, it also has a theme of comics which BP was famous for. You need to page down to find the oak photo: http://writheandshine.com/adventure/whe ... arch-2013/ http://writheandshine.com/adventure/whe ... arch-2013/

Deuce wrote:: Not to beat a dead horse with this Field Guide but... Page 109. New Orleans? Oddly dressed people. Some with strange hats. One with a mask. One with odd sunglasses. A couple with beaded necklaces. Mardi Gras theme? Perrier is French. The NO image is our French image. And this... [url=http://s1312.photobucket.com/user/18deuce18/media/NO_zps7b9d02af.jpg.html?filters[user]=137468122&filters[recent]=1&sort=1&o=0#/user/18deuce18/media/NO_zps7b9d02af.jpg.html?filters%5Buser%5D=137468122&filters%5Brecent%5D=1&sort=1&o=0&_suid=138127537987909766799303882518]http://s1312.photobucket.com/user/18deuce18/media/NO_zps7b9d02af.jpg.html?filters[user]=137468122&filters[recent]=1&sort=1&o=0#/user/18deuce18/media/NO_zps7b9d02af.jpg.html?filters%5Buser%5D=137468122&filters%5Brecent%5D=1&sort=1&o=0&_suid=138127537987909766799303882518[/url] Found our clockboy and the "LOVE" sculpture from the NO Sculpture Garden. If this is the right site then maybe this is worth another look. Not sure when the love sculpture was placed there but it's in proximity to the oak. The field guide may be more help than we thought.

how many love sculptures are there new york... http://goo.gl/maps/E4Ta4

There are quite a few out there but I'm sure he means the one in NO if it is indeed a reference to the site proximity.

yea fly boy and love on 109, i had missed your link to your img img http://s1312.photobucket.com/user/18deu ... f.jpg.html

the love sculpture was looking good, but i think it didnt happen in NO until 2003 when garden opened, ill see if i can find out more about it

cw0909 wrote:: the love sculpture was looking good, but i think it didnt happen in NO until 2003 when garden opened, ill see if i can find out more about it Perhaps it is just an easily identifiable "Pop" art image...

ya bought in 2004 LOVE, Red Blue Indiana, Robert Museum purchase, Sydney and Walda Besthoff Foundation Accession 2004.119 http://noma.org/collection/detail/91/LOVE-Red-Blue

Damn. It was worth a shot.

Real World Locations in the Fair People's Field Guide: Page 212 , the Small Businessman (from the entry Small Businessmen) stands on the steps of the New York Supreme Court 60 Centre St #5 New York, NY 10007 The inscription above his head reads "The true administration of justice is the firmest pillar of good government" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_County_Courthouse I searched the board, but didn't see this posted before.  Sorry if repost, Another Doth

Page 145 , the Wooly Bully is shown on the statue called: Eagles and Prey in Central Park, New York From Wikipedia: Eagles and Prey, designed and created by Christophe Fratin, is the oldest known sculpture in any New York City park. It is made of bronze, and was cast in Paris, France in 1850 and was placed in the park in 1863. The sculpture was donated by Gordon Webster Burnham, who also donated the statue of Daniel Webster, as well as statues in other cities. The monument depicts a goat, wedged accidentally between two rocks, which is about to be devoured by two eagles. Their talons are sunk into the back of the goat as they flap their wings in victory. [ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sc ... ntral_Park ] [See also: http://www.centralparknyc.org/visit/thi ... -prey.html ]

Page 139 , the Left Wing Symp and the Right Wing Trog are shown in front of the US Capitol Building First St SE, Washington, DC 20004 From the west lawn facing east.

Page 89 , Team Spirits is posing on a baseball held by: San Francisco Giants baseball player Monte Irvin in front of a historic photo of Irvin,  Willie Mays and Hank Thompson when they were players for the New York. Monte Irvin is also given credit on the dedication page.

Page 67 , the Pill Grim is standing on a statue called: Oh, crud. I thought this would be another Lorado Taft, like the Great Lakes Fountain in Chicago. But I can't find it. Will edit if found.

Page 62 , Preps Ghoul is posed in front of The Brooks Brothers Plaque at their flagship location on 346 Madison Avenue in New York, NY