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After a very intense examination (per Photoshop) of image 7 yesterday, I'm blown away. Not only are there 100's of hidden symbols, words, numbers, faces, in the image, the actual instructions to measure the vector at the site are in hidden in it as well. I was already measuring it generally right but there is a "formula" which shows you exactly how to measure the vector at the site down to the inch. I don't think Palencar ever envisioned anyone being able to see these and largely they are not critical to solving the puzzle but they are incredibly helpful. Many of them would not be visible without Photoshop but they are unequivocally there...and they make sense (most of them). I have not examined any of the other images besides simply glancing at them and reading the associated verses because I was focused solely on New Orleans but I'm sure he did the same thing with the other images. If I can help with the other images I will tell you how to altar them in Photoshop to bring out the hidden clues. I'm not familiar with any of the other cities or theories but I know how to find these symbols now and I have a general sense of what Palencar was doing in these paintings. He was basically keeping hidden notes to himself in the micro while spelling out the clues on the macro. So the micro clues are not imperative to solving the puzzle but they are incredibly helpful and validate the macro. If I can help anyone with the other images let me know.

Dambala wrote:: After a very intense examination (per Photoshop) of image 7 yesterday, I'm blown away. Not only are there 100's of hidden symbols, words, numbers, faces, in the image, the actual instructions to measure the vector at the site are in hidden in it as well. ... Many of them would not be visible without Photoshop but they are unequivocally there...and they make sense (most of them). ... If I can help anyone with the other images let me know. No problem! Here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareidolia

Glad this was brought up. There are three possible ‘clues’ in the images that always bothered me, seemed too deliberate not to be meaningful (pardon my analogies): -the sideways ‘genie lamp’ in the mountain in the SF image -the ‘owl’ engraved in the mountain in FL Image -the ‘pseudo Y’ shaped thing in Boston image (on the right of the wall) Maybe they are nothing, just thought I would throw those out there.

MrSeabass wrote:: Well it's a good thing the artist had Photoshop in 1980 so he would be able to confirm that his clues are there. Ohhh right, you're the guy that found pixel-size faces in a poorly scanned and blown up section of the image where the turquoise is. Carry on. you're such a bitter little critter aren't you?

davinci4 wrote:: Glad this was brought up. There are three possible ‘clues’ in the images that always bothered me, seemed too deliberate not to be meaningful (pardon my analogies): -the sideways ‘genie lamp’ in the mountain in the SF image -the ‘owl’ engraved in the mountain in FL Image -the ‘pseudo Y’ shaped thing in Boston image (on the right of the wall) Maybe they are nothing, just thought I would throw those out there. They are all over image 7. Many are brush strokes that create wolves and other images. They are aren't pareidolia...they are absolutely there.

But then... why won't you show any of them to us? If you say "hey I found a bunch of hidden stuff," but then don't share any hidden stuff, there's nothing for readers in the brand-new-thread-you-created-even-though-the-image-already-has-its-own-thread to do but share character references and make jokes. I know it's not fun being the one in the barrel but, what exactly did you expect us to discuss if you don't give us material to discuss?

Dambala wrote:: They are all over image 7. Many are brush strokes that create wolves and other images. They are aren't pareidolia...they are absolutely there. Can you show some examples?

If I tilt the book in the right light, I see a fine line down the middle of Image 7. Pretty sure that was how was it was printed in my copy. Don't think it means anything. Curious though. (It's exaggerated here because of the glare; it's difficult to spot otherwise. It goes across the whole page, including the margin, almost like a fine razor cut or something. Anyone else see it in the paper version...?)

gman and I were just trading informatino about how later books Preiss made had different kinds of secret writing. I'm still trying to get someone to heat up an original copy in the oven.

drunknerds wrote:: gman and I were just trading informatino about how later books Preiss made had different kinds of secret writing. I'm still trying to get someone to heat up an original copy in the oven. I'm kinda thinking lemon juice too, but it's a one way trip.

Ohhh right, you're the guy that found pixel-size faces in a poorly scanned and blown up section of the image where the turquoise is. Carry on.[/quote] you're such a bitter little critter aren't you?[/quote] Put your money where your mouth is and prove it.[/quote] I'll do just that but before I do, you check out. You don't look at anything I have to offer? Cool? When I got on this forum I thought it was an open exchange of ideas to help people with this quest. Apparently you think it's a angry boy echo chamber where only people you approve get to join the circle jerk. So here's my request...you leave this one. I haven't started a single discussion until now you immediately jumped on to piss all over me. So why don't save us both some grief and just leave this thread to me and my ridiculous insights? Cool?

Dambala wrote:: Ohhh right, you're the guy that found pixel-size faces in a poorly scanned and blown up section of the image where the turquoise is. Carry on. you're such a bitter little critter aren't you?[/quote] Put your money where your mouth is and prove it.[/quote] I'll do just that but before I do, you check out. You don't look at anything I have to offer? Cool? When I got on this forum I thought it was an open exchange of ideas to help people with this quest. Apparently you think it's a angry boy echo chamber where only people you approve get to join the circle jerk. So here's my request...you leave this one. I haven't started a single discussion until now you immediately jumped on to piss all over me. So why don't save us both some grief and just leave this thread to me and my ridiculous insights? Cool?[/quote] I can see your point of view: You have ideas you really like, you post them, you get really upset because somenoe needlessly insults you. I see that, and acknowledge it's off-putting. Now, please see things from my view, keeping in mind I'm an independent observer who has no dog in this fight: - You created a new thread and posted literally no new evidence. Why? Who does that? - You complain that people on this thread are too critical, but then you keep posting and complaining as if all of a sudden then 15-year climate of this sub forum will magically change. This subforum is based on criticizing everything, it's an old philosophical methodology that has been proven, for thousands of years, to yield a good amount of truth. - When requested to share some evidence, you say "hold on," then get in a slapfight. - The other day we were having a chill time in a New Orleans thread, talking about grilling meat. YOu came in, instantly made it all about you, then derailed everything with a slapfight. That was the most chill thread ever and you ruined it for me. I'd suggest either learn to ignore people you don't like, or try the wiki or the reddit, since you don't like it here. I bet they'll give you the satisfaction you want.

Which means it a circle jerk. I am using the Wiki and I have posted the things I'm finding. But good enough.

Ehh, I came in a little too hot, there. No one deserves to be scolded, sorry. Let me get down off my high horse, and try again: Dambala, you have some good ideas and a valuable wealth of NoLa experience. But every time you try to share it, you get distracted by people insulting you. I'd advise this: Click on the name of someone you don't like, then click "add to Foe's list," or whatever. Something with Foe. Now you will never see their posts again

Dambala wrote:: ... I don't think Palencar ever envisioned anyone being able to see these... WhiteRabbit wrote:: If I tilt the book in the right light, I see a fine line down the middle of Image 7. ...Anyone else see it in the paper version...? Dambala wrote:: I am using the Wiki and I have posted the things I'm finding. I just started reading this thread, and I promise to continue reading in polite silence after this post, but I just had to pause to reread this quoted phrase. An artist, possibly working on his first professional commission (if I correctly heard and understand a brief comment maded by that host on Expedition unknown), decides to spend extra time creating details that he thinks might not even be visible in the printed final product. Hmm, I'm skeptical, but look forward to reading the rest of the thread. (continuing to read) Nothing like that in my copy. I do have the original edition. I haven't checked the wiki in a long time. If you are posting images (with or without photoshop enhancement), i'll take a look, but just listing things you see won't convince anyone these were intentionally inserted by the artist. (done reading, all caught up, will refrain from adding negative commentary from this point)

catherwood wrote:: I just started reading this thread, and I promise to continue reading in polite silence after this post, but I just had to pause to reread this quoted phrase. An artist, possibly working on his first professional commission (if I correctly heard and understand a brief comment maded by that host on Expedition unknown), decides to spend extra time creating details that he thinks might not even be visible in the printed final product. Hmm, I'm skeptical, but look forward to reading the rest of the thread. In fairness to all sides...there are tiny images in the paintings. They require digital zooming and a magnifying glass. Easter eggs if you will. JJP having fun? BP saying to include some really tiny Fair People hidden from man? Artistic license? There are there, but it takes a lot of work to see them. For example, or the right side of Image 7, you can see all sorts of Mardi Gras imagery if you zoom in beyond what was possible when there were only printed copies of the book. Is it useful? I don't think so.

drunknerds wrote:: I can see your point of view: You have ideas you really like, you post them, you get really upset because somenoe needlessly insults you. I see that, and acknowledge it's off-putting. Now, please see things from my view, keeping in mind I'm an independent observer who has no dog in this fight: - You created a new thread and posted literally no new evidence. Why? Who does that? - You complain that people on this thread are too critical, but then you keep posting and complaining as if all of a sudden then 15-year climate of this sub forum will magically change. This subforum is based on criticizing everything, it's an old philosophical methodology that has been proven, for thousands of years, to yield a good amount of truth. - When requested to share some evidence, you say "hold on," then get in a slapfight. - The other day we were having a chill time in a New Orleans thread, talking about grilling meat. YOu came in, instantly made it all about you, then derailed everything with a slapfight. That was the most chill thread ever and you ruined it for me. I'd suggest either learn to ignore people you don't like, or try the wiki or the reddit, since you don't like it here. I bet they'll give you the satisfaction you want. Lol, did I just jump into a slapfight to chastise people for slapfighting? Not my best moment.

gManTexas wrote:: In fairness to all sides...there are tiny images in the paintings. They require digital zooming and a magnifying glass. Easter eggs if you will. JJP having fun? BP saying to include some really tiny Fair People hidden from man? Artistic license? There are there, but it takes a lot of work to see them. For example, or the right side of Image 7, you can see all sorts of Mardi Gras imagery if you zoom in beyond what was possible when there were only printed copies of the book. Is it useful? I don't think so. This is a great point. What the heck even are those red-nosed lizards climbing on the rocks of Image 1? First time I saw it, I assumed I was drunk. But then when I sobered up it was still there.

catherwood wrote:: I just started reading this thread, and I promise to continue reading in polite silence after this post, but I just had to pause to reread this quoted phrase. An artist, possibly working on his first professional commission (if I correctly heard and understand a brief comment maded by that host on Expedition unknown), decides to spend extra time creating details that he thinks might not even be visible in the printed final product. Hmm, I'm skeptical, but look forward to reading the rest of the thread. Again, just my experience, but when one gets their big break they do tend to go above and beyond. I put a few super-secret puzzles/jokes into my "big"(read: mediocre) breaks for puzzlemaking and bookwriting. Then people found them in like 6 seconds after release, and I decided that the 10 hours I spent making secrets would have been better spent just putting the bonus content up there.

drunknerds wrote:: This is a great point. What the heck even are those red-nosed lizards climbing on the rocks of Image 1? First time I saw it, I assumed I was drunk. But then when I sobered up it was still there. Like a bad date.

So the clue is I need to research 1980 to see what "special" shampoos were available? ... ... ... Genius!

Good evening, lads and lassies. I have lots to add to this but don't want to get into the pissing match. I will say this: there are things hidden. In image 12, the colored dots are like color-blind tests. Well, if someone can't see color what do we do as puzzle solvers? We use a crappy old xerox to get rid of the color. The 80s were the beginning of those ridiculous magic eye posters......hated those damn things! Anyway, being an artist myself, you can build up oil paint so that different layers are visible only in certain lighting. I've only been an artist for 38 years.........but I've come across a few cool tricks in my time. Here's a link to a xerox, that has been blown up. One face was outlined(he's under a huge cat, btw, that was visible at a different resolution) and I used light yellow to outline another face. He's in profile facing left. If you see him, you will recognize him. Oh, and the white squiggles are also something.......... https://imgur.com/6XeEsRP

There's a bunch of scanning artifacts. The red dots above, for example, don't exist in the book.

I am willing to pitch in $2 to buy Dambala a three wolf moon t-shirt from Amazon, Who else will your me? He truly deserves one. https://www.amazon.com/Mountain-Mens-Th ... merReviews Read the reviews Lol

Interesting read here, lends some credibility to hidden messages in The Secret. Some of the publications occurred before The Secret and some after. Leads me to believe that BP experimented. https://www.cbr.com/publisher-byron-pre ... age-of-52/

karleen wrote:: Good evening, lads and lassies. I have lots to add to this but don't want to get into the pissing match. I will say this: there are things hidden. In image 12, the colored dots are like color-blind tests. Well, if someone can't see color what do we do as puzzle solvers? We use a crappy old xerox to get rid of the color. The 80s were the beginning of those ridiculous magic eye posters......hated those damn things! Anyway, being an artist myself, you can build up oil paint so that different layers are visible only in certain lighting. I've only been an artist for 38 years.........but I've come across a few cool tricks in my time. Here's a link to a xerox, that has been blown up. One face was outlined(he's under a huge cat, btw, that was visible at a different resolution) and I used light yellow to outline another face. He's in profile facing left. If you see him, you will recognize him. Oh, and the white squiggles are also something.......... https://imgur.com/6XeEsRP Not sure on the faces, but the white lines look like the roads around Grand Army Plaza at Prospect Park.

gManTexas wrote:: Not sure on the faces, but the white lines look like the roads around Grand Army Plaza at Prospect Park. It's actually a different entrance, but, yep! That's what it is.

Where is that gosh darn X! No probing today...epic snow storm in MARCH!

MrSeabass wrote:: I've seen videos about chemtrails and lizard people that are better than this. That is harsh...but

NYCNative wrote:: Where is that gosh darn X! No probing today...epic snow storm in MARCH! Might be good cover. Go with some buddies. Cop asks you if you're digging, say "nah, we are just making a fort and a frickin' snowman. These 22 steps, they're base."

gManTexas wrote:: Might be good cover. Go with some buddies. Cop asks you if you're digging, say "nah, we are just making a fort and a frickin' snowman. These 22 steps, they're base." LOL if we stay put for more then 3 mins, we will be the snowmen! But I have no excuses tomorrow!

NYCNative wrote:: LOL if we stay put for more then 3 mins, we will be the snowmen! But I have no excuses tomorrow! Ha! I got it. Get some hardhats and vests. Bring 5 guys. 4 guys stand around watching 1 guy dig. No one will suspect a thing.

Might be good cover. Go with some buddies. Cop asks you if you're digging, say "nah, we are just making a fort and a frickin' snowman. These 22 steps, they're base."[/quote] LOL if we stay put for more then 3 mins, we will be the snowmen! But I have no excuses tomorrow![/quote] Ha! I got it. Get some hardhats and vests. Bring 5 guys. 4 guys stand around watching 1 guy dig. No one will suspect a thing.[/quote] good one

gManTexas wrote:: Might be good cover. Go with some buddies. Cop asks you if you're digging, say "nah, we are just making a fort and a frickin' snowman. These 22 steps, they're base." LOL if we stay put for more then 3 mins, we will be the snowmen! But I have no excuses tomorrow![/quote] Ha! I got it. Get some hardhats and vests. Bring 5 guys. 4 guys stand around watching 1 guy dig. No one will suspect a thing.[/quote] You just described every construction site setting in nYC! 1 guy works with 4 supervisors with clip boards! But in all seriousness, which is even funnier then the fiction, our friend is recovering from a recent injury. So, we decided to bring him along and hide the probe within his crutches!

https://vimeo.com/258906809 This is the funniest, but kind of disturbing video I have ever seen! "There are so many wolves in here, its easy to get lost" A brave attempt, but seems like a large amount of confirmation bias.

NYCNative wrote:: https://vimeo.com/258906809 This is the funniest, but kind of disturbing video I have ever seen! "There are so many wolves in here, its easy to get lost" A brave attempt, but seems like a large amount of confirmation bias. I gotta respect Dambala. He's working every angle and putting a shovel in the ground. Even getting permission where necessary.

MrSeabass wrote:: I've seen videos about chemtrails and lizard people that are better than this. Snot shot out of my nose when I read this

gManTexas wrote:: I gotta respect Dambala. He's working every angle and putting a shovel in the ground. Even getting permission where necessary. I agree. Even if he is wrong, he is putting in some brave efforts! Even just with a video like that. I am not at all trying to be harsh, just an honest opinion from a different perspective. We all need a reality check when going deep in the rabbit hole!

hey dambala...you do you...even if you are a bit crazy...youve got nothing to prove to these useless pieces of shit...who have done literally NOTHING collectively for over 12 years. they are just mad about anything they cant attribute to themselves. cause they are LOSERS.

probing is useless in ny, unless you are anal probing each other...cause thats the only kinda probing you are gonna get anything from, there.

i already dug up pieces of what was probably once the casque...its been decimated...

anus905 wrote:: i already dug up pieces of what was probably once the casque...its been decimated... Looks lke JC is back.

Dambala wrote:: After a very intense examination (per Photoshop) of image 7 yesterday, I'm blown away. Not only are there 100's of hidden symbols, words, numbers, faces, in the image, the actual instructions to measure the vector at the site are in hidden in it as well. I was already measuring it generally right but there is a "formula" which shows you exactly how to measure the vector at the site down to the inch. I don't think Palencar ever envisioned anyone being able to see these and largely they are not critical to solving the puzzle but they are incredibly helpful. Many of them would not be visible without Photoshop but they are unequivocally there...and they make sense (most of them). I have not examined any of the other images besides simply glancing at them and reading the associated verses because I was focused solely on New Orleans but I'm sure he did the same thing with the other images. If I can help with the other images I will tell you how to altar them in Photoshop to bring out the hidden clues. I'm not familiar with any of the other cities or theories but I know how to find these symbols now and I have a general sense of what Palencar was doing in these paintings. He was basically keeping hidden notes to himself in the micro while spelling out the clues on the macro. So the micro clues are not imperative to solving the puzzle but they are incredibly helpful and validate the macro. If I can help anyone with the other images let me know. There are no hidden clues, what you’re seeing is an effect of what computer graphics experts call “pixelization”. Here’s how it works: A scan is saved in resolution. That resolution is the number of pixels across and down. For example, 640x480 is 640 pixels across and 480 pixels down. The problem is that a pixel is nothing more than a square of a single color. The image is 640 single-colored squares by 480 single-colored squares. And if you blow up the image, IT IS STILL THE SAME NUMBER OF SINGLE-COLORED SQUARES. The only difference is that those squares are larger. The results of pixelization are that 1) detail is lost, and 2) new details are *added* as artifacts. Those artifacts are what you’re finding—not secret messages. Faces, numbers, and letters are commonly seen in the artifacts. This is why everything you’re finding with computer imaging is nothing more than misleading. Stick with what we can see with the unaided eye, and you will be far more likely to zero in on the location.

Guardian wrote:: There are no hidden clues, what you’re seeing is an effect of what computer graphics experts call “pixelization”. Here’s how it works: A scan is saved in resolution. That resolution is the number of pixels across and down. For example, 640x480 is 640 pixels across and 480 pixels down. The problem is that a pixel is nothing more than a square of a single color. The image is 640 single-colored squares by 480 single-colored squares. And if you blow up the image, IT IS STILL THE SAME NUMBER OF SINGLE-COLORED SQUARES. The only difference is that those squares are larger. The results of pixelization are that 1) detail is lost, and 2) new details are *added* as artifacts. Those artifacts are what you’re finding—not secret messages. Faces, numbers, and letters are commonly seen in the artifacts. This is why everything you’re finding with computer imaging is nothing more than misleading. Stick with what we can see with the unaided eye, and you will be far more likely to zero in on the location. Sorry, but I disagree. The original illustrations were pretty big. JJP stuck a lot of weird stuff in there that could not be seen in the book, but the scans picked them up. I do not believe the hidden images are useful for the hunt, and may in fact be a nod to the hidden Fair People.

It is all about what you consider a hidden image. For example, if the tree out lines make the shape of a nearby building then "ahha"! if the "hidden images" make up over 100 wolves and smiley faces then I would suggest that you take your meds, get some sleep, and get a new perspective. Every sure image match that has been confirmed was depicted with great detail by the painter. It does not just kind of look like it, or is abstract. If you are photo shopping and zooming in to see every grain, you are no longer looking at the image in question. However, Keep posting those videos explain your "amazing finds". They are a jewel of hysterical achievement.

MrSeabass wrote:: If it cant be seen in the book, then it can't be seen period. Downscaling from a painted image, to a photo negative, to a very shrunken paperpack halftone print, to a blown up scan complete with scanning artifacts and jpeg noise followed by further blowing up and photoshop filtering with computers that did not exist until about 20 years after the book was printed - which is inexplicably what people are doing here - will cause anyone to see anything they want. You are arguing the same point, my ill-tempered friend.

Looks like y'all skipped breakfast this morning. I photoshopped a restaurant menu and found a plate of Shawarma hidden in the left margin. Go out and get a plate of Shawarma....y'all will be happier. EDIT: PROOF....that my solution is valid!!! https://www.fromthegrapevine.com/israeli-kitchen/gyro-vs-shawarma

I agree with MrSeabass, that there are no hidden images, cyphers, vector points or anything like that. A lot of people are missing the simplicity of these puzzles. Paintings guide you to the city and poem guides to a dig spot. People are so fixated on having visual markers at the dig site. The two known solves mention objects to look for that are found in the paintings. Unless Preiss tells us to look for "columns or fence in fixture" ( from two known solves) we will not have visual markers at all dig sites.

Unknown: You are saying there are hidden images that can be seen and recovered. I think what he is saying is that the ability to see the "hidden" images gives that person an advantage over the person who can't, or won't. It's a classic argument that's been repeated over and over, mostly by people who IMO, think they understand more about how the puzzles work than they really do. All I know is that if most reasonable people don't agree with your interpretation of any given clue, including things that may or may not be in the Image, then most likely, your interpretation is wrong. It was consensus that moved this puzzle along in the early days of the forum, and it is lack of consensus that has stopped that progress dead in its tracks since.

I don't think it's plausible that BP would signJJP, a guy who is amazing at weaving in hidden images into his paintings, and think "let's make these images really hard to see." He knew how to utilize a staff to produce a book, he would want to emphasize JJP's talents, front and center. Like "look how cool these hidden images are, they sometimes pop out at you! Doesn't that make you want to look more?" Making stuff impossible to see with the human eye does the opposite of that: It makes me not want to buy the book because I perceive the puzzles as inaccessible to me. It also "solves" a problem that doesn't exist: He doesn't need to make super-obscure pictures because JJP is already good at making normal landmarks look really well hidden.

Erpobdelliforme wrote:: It was consensus that moved this puzzle along in the early days of the forum, and it is lack of consensus that has stopped that progress dead in its tracks since. I think this is well stated. I think the main reason for this is that people are more stubborn about changing and growing their theories. The two solves happened because people were able to get feedback to significantly change their solve : Before the wall and the columns, Siskel and Egbert thought cask 4 was in Philadelphia. https://quest4treasure.co.uk/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?p=10565#p10565 Then they saw the greek garden shots Johann pointed out, said "welp, I guess we're wrong it's in Cleveland," and the rest is history. The Chicago solvers kept saying "I guess we have something wrong, better contact BP again." It's something that's taking real hold in the education industry: Growth mindset vs Fixed mindset. Fixed assumes everything happens due to natural talent: My solve is novel therefore it can't be amended because others don't have this natural talent, otherwise they would have come up with this first. Growth mindset assumes things happen through constant trial and error and adjustment: My solve is novel, now let's see what people think and try to incorporate criticism.

The video that was promised at the beginning of this thread is now up. I will respect Dambala's wishes and not cross post, but it is easily found at the bottom of the discussion section on the Image 7 Page of the Wiki. Fair warning: Arithmophobiacs should probably not watch it. I'll say it one more time: The level of creativity this puzzle has inspired in nothing short of fascinating.

Unknown: I feel dumber now having watched the whole thing. My main problem with the solve is that even after watching the video, I don't think I could find the spot Dambala's referencing using tools that would have been available to Preiss in 1981. And I have a lot of experience using those tools. My guess is that if in fact he has found the casque, there will be a much simpler explanation for why it is where it is, just like in Cleveland and Chicago.

did dambala release his video? haha its pretty crazy but i love it cause its crazy.

anus905 wrote:: did dambala release his video? haha its pretty crazy but i love it cause its crazy. Hey Josh, yes he did, I will im it to you because I dont think he wants it on q4t for some reason he seems not to like us...

he likes me. i dont like you guys either, you guys suck. so i dont blame him lol.

Unknown: But did we find the treasure? That's more complicated. Oh good grief. ...no, really, it isn't.

Unknown: Our friend Dambala is in the news... You would think with all these alleged solves that Preiss buried all 10 remaining casques in New Orleans. By my count, there are now at least 4 people who claim to know exactly where it is buried, but that, and empty hands is all that they seem to have in common.

my solve is the only one that makes any sense

MrSeabass wrote:: http://www.nola.com/living/index.ssf/2018/04/the_secret_byron_preiss_new_or.html Our friend Dambala is in the news... Edit: I also call bullshit on the plexiglass he filmed. All that time and he couldnt have taken 5 seconds to wipe off the plexiglass. Also if he actually solved it... then why is he sitting on it and not telling everyone the solution? Does he think he's some sort of gatekeeper now? Edit2: He posted the solve, someone go out there and look for his '3 foot by 8mm hole' he dug. Ok, add me to the list of victims. Dambala may owe me 21 minutes of my life back. As a land surveyor since 1995, I’m having trouble coming up with the process that Preiss would have gone through in 1982 in order to actually measure and record this information. The 1981-82 tools available for these calculations would have taken at least two experienced surveyors. Never mind relaying this information to Palencar for him to include this information into the painting. While creative and technically possible, this is some outlandish shit. If this solve yields a casque, the bigger puzzle will be how in the hell could Preiss have created this wild goose chase.

BINGO wrote:: Ok, add me to the list of victims. Dambala may owe me 21 minutes of my life back. As a land surveyor since 1995, I’m having trouble coming up with the process that Preiss would have gone through in 1982 in order to actually measure and record this information. The 1981-82 tools available for these calculations would have taken at least two experienced surveyors. Never mind relaying this information to Palencar for him to include this information into the painting. While creative and technically possible, this is some outlandish shit. If this solve yields a casque, the bigger puzzle will be how in the hell could Preiss have created this wild goose chase. While I believe Preiss was highly intelligent and could have hired someone to help with calculations and angles, etc. I highly doubt it is that granular. I think he used major landmarks and things that he hoped would not change much over time. I believe the most complicated it gets is lining up a statue or light post with a corner of a building (for example).

MrSeabass wrote:: http://www.nola.com/living/index.ssf/2018/04/the_secret_byron_preiss_new_or.html Our friend Dambala is in the news... Edit: I also call bullshit on the plexiglass he filmed. All that time and he couldnt have taken 5 seconds to wipe off the plexiglass. Also if he actually solved it... then why is he sitting on it and not telling everyone the solution? Does he think he's some sort of gatekeeper now? Edit2: He posted the solve, someone go out there and look for his '3 foot by 8mm hole' he dug. He should have...could have...probed more holes in the general vicinity in locations where the top of a casque would be, if it is a casque. Then, if his endoscope actually found some sort translucent material in those probe holes, confidence in his claim might go up a bit. Or....he can do what malted suggested: get a 4' drill, bore a hole in the translucent material, then snake the endoscope past the top. If it's a Plexiglas container, he'd then have a video of an actual casque. If not, he'd probably see dirt.

or....... knocking off sprinkler head and flooding zoo

Unknown: You would think with all these alleged solves that Preiss buried all 10 remaining casques in New Orleans. By my count, there are now at least 4 people who claim to know exactly where it is buried, but that, and empty hands is all that they seem to have in common. Make that 5. Halfway there.

Erpobdelliforme wrote:: Make that 5. Halfway there. I make no claim to know where the New Orleans casque is. The other 11? Absolutely. But not New Orleans.

Unknown: I make no claim to know where the New Orleans casque is. The other 11? Absolutely Might as well venture a guess on the New Orleans casque and complete the set. You're as likely to be correct about that one as you are about the other 9.

Guardian wrote:: I make no claim to know where the New Orleans casque is. The other 11? Absolutely. But not New Orleans. It would be super great if we could use these threads for actual discussion instead of people 'peacocking' about all they know. When reading through the forum posts from years past, one can see the high level of intelligent conversation and collegiality, as well as contributing to the information assigned to the thread. I would love to see that again. PeaCocks, find another place to preen.

Dambala, Please "photoshop" image 1 for me. I want to see any hidden stuff please. If you could attach the resulting image 1 that would be excellent. Thanks, Adam

I agree. The congeniality factor is something noble to uphold. There was an evolution to the whole game as things wound up at the time of Cleveland, and many other puzzles had their own investigations underway or soon thereafter, but then things slowly wound down, perking up only occasionally. I joined around 2011 to feed the ol' forge some more, filling it with lots of creative but also asinine revelations; much criticism followed, and then I blame 421Thrasher for leading the troll-revolt. My good looks have faded and now the Gods are angry and they have sent something forth from the deepest pits of Dunning-Kruger to punish the prideful. We should all get a copy of the Innocents Abroad and forget this hunt for awhile...

Unknown: and then I blame 421Thrasher for leading the troll-revolt Seems like no one is happy around here unless they have someone to blame for the lack of progress. Thank goodness for Josh(s), right?

Erpobdelliforme wrote:: Seems like no one is happy around here unless they have someone to blame for the lack of progress. Thank goodness for Josh(s), right? Josh is the only person who has solved the three layered clues and unlocked the key to the solves that no one not even Byron Priess knew existed. I think Josh Cornell has actually opened a portal into a new dimension

Doghousereiley wrote:: Josh is the only person who has solved the three layered clues and unlocked the key to the solves that no one not even Byron Priess knew existed. I think Josh Cornell has actually opened a portal into a new dimension I’m not the biggest fan of Josh’s solves or his online antics. But, I will give him the credit that he deserves. He believes whole-heartedly in his theories however far fetched they may be. Enough that he is willing to invest his time and money to travel North America looking for these casques. Maybe he hasn’t seen the best return on his investments, but it must be an incredible adventure. My guess is that the majority of people who are actively working on The Secret, won’t travel a fraction of the miles that Josh has logged. As much as it pains me, I can’t help but respect that.