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I wanted to see what Herman park was like in December and which leaves fall gently in December night On Sunday I dug about 25 to 30 holes each unto 3 ft deep I focused my dig on the North east side of McGovern Lake. Inside the train tracks loop I started where the old 982 train was located. I headed north east to the wooded area. Stepped over the miniature train tracks I looked back and I could still see the McGovern lake fountain The ground was really soft from the recent rain As I dug park maintenance employees walked on past me once I stopped digging watched them pass and continued later I was approached by a wedding photographer who said "if you find gold its mine" That was the extent of any interaction I had while digging Anyone who says Herman park is too busy you cannot dig in Herman without being noticed is wrong I went back to dig on Monday and found it was impossible to dig. Mainly because it began to rain and the only other person in the park was a homeless person who made camp near my dig spot Since no one else was around except maintenance and me I was unable to dig. Best time to dig is weekends. People are every where and no one cares Just as night was falling I hit something hard about 2 feet down. It turned out to be a big rock. Photo included I spoke with one of the train drivers who have been driving the Herman park train for years. he said the area to the northeast of the lake were called the "Piney Woods" A hurricane on 2004? or around then wiped out a lot of the trees. Most of the trees lost were pine trees which I was informed don't live very long anyway What was left was the old growth trees. The oak trees were shedding their leaves in December. I dug in the middle of three oak trees and a big divet in the ground In surmised to be left from and old tree truck. I also dug in the divet Many say the park has changed too much to find the casque. Much of the park has changed but most of it is exactly like Preiss found it. The rail road has been changed and moved. but if you view old you tube videos and since I talked to the train driver I learned the track near the station and near where 982 is in the exact same place it was. The train depot is in the sea spot and the course to and from are the same. They took out the old 7 inch one person train and put in a 16 inch 2 person track Most of it over where the old track was so I am searching there.

I tried to post photos but "board attachment quota has been reached"

No one can see any marking of where I dug. Except the rock I unearthed Is this vandalizing? Is the casque supposed to surface on its own

MrSeabass wrote:: Why not just rent a backhoe and dig the whole damn park up? Doghousereiley wrote:: No one can see any marking of where I dug. Except the rock I unearthed. Is this vandalizing? Is the casque supposed to surface on its own? This guy gets it.

seabags you make no sense I left the park intact and as I found it what your problem?

only 3 feet deep? Wasn't Cleveland's casque buried more than 4 feet deep? What if you just missed finding it on your first hole, and all the rest were wasted effort? This is one reason why people here want to know a logical reason for choosing a specific spot to dig.

My understanding is both the Cleveland casque and the Chicago casque where no more than 3 feet. In Chicago they dug a 3 foot hole and accidentally knocked off part of the side of the Hole to reveal the casque I read somewhere Egbert said the casque was not a far down as he had thought. only maybe 2 feet I have dug in Herman park before. The ground is really hard and dry in the summer. Houston has had a lot of rain lately so it was much easier on this trip

I dug inside the old train loop Do I need to supply a map There is one on the wiki site that map is wrong as it had the train depot much closer to where the 982 used to be I started at the zoo entrance where the 982 was. I walked northeast into where the old the train loop was It is also where the new train loop is. the loop has since expanded inside the old train loop I dug holes in the middle of 3 oak trees that had obviously been there for many years one tree was split I have photos but it wont let me post SEABUG. is that clear enough for you? you seem very dense and jump to outrageous conclusion. "digging up the whole park" what an ass

SEA ASS Why do you assume I was digging with out direction. Did you visit Herman park to day and witness first hand the "vandalism" I created? If not then you are uninformed and ignorant. Until your status changes please refrain from exposing the forum to your depraved and shallow thought process If you would like to join me for a dig in Herman park and afterward you have issues with my process, then please add to the forum. If you witness me vandalizing then you can say so but to callously and so ignorantly throw out criminal accusations is out of line You obviously did not read the entire post and then jumped to stupid conclusions. You assumed I just started digging with no landmarks to guide me Worst part is you spoke up. Next time you begin to write a post do us all a favor and take a moment to think. No matter how much it might hurt you. Please for the rest of the forum AND YES. I AM GOING TO KEEP DIGGING HOELS IN HERMAN PARK UNTIL I FIND THE CASQUE

SEA ASS Care to join me for a dig in Herman park? I am open to hear your perspective once we are there and where you would dig? Are you in?

Unknown: The problem is nowhere did you explain your methodology or steps to how you got to where you were. Unknown: It comes off like you just started digging a random hole, then when you didnt find anything, you started digging another one. Unknown: Then another one. Then another one. Then another one. Then another one. Then another one. Then another one. And this makes him different than every other person presently digging on a theory how? This is a public forum with a known history of idea poaching. It's easier for me to assume that he has a plan and wants to explore it privately than he has no plan at all, as you have. Remove the word "random" from the statement above, and you have pretty much described what it will take to unearth a casque in 2017, and beyond. Now you have it.

Doghousereiley wrote:: SEA ASS Care to join me for a dig in Herman park? I am open to hear your perspective once we are there and where you would dig? Are you in? People like SEA ASS are what's wrong with this world. In all seriousness, props for going out and digging. I'm in California but I've organized a few FaceTime digs in the past with people who live near the casque locations. Would you be interested in digging a few holes for cash? There's a spot on the north side of McGovern that I already had someone check out and I would love to have someone dig there as well. Feel free to shoot me a message to avoid people like SEA ASS. I embrace the incoming hate

Yes. I would be happy to check out the spot in Herman Park Just provide best details you can and I will give it a shot

Unknown: I embrace the incoming hate No hate. I just fail to see how the personal attacks help in any way. Good luck with your dig(s). While I don't think this was BP's original intent for the solve ("a little digging is your task"), his untimely death leaves those of us who think we can still recover a casque no choice. Unfortunately, empty holes are the only way to advance a theory now that we no longer have his assistance to guide us.

catherwood wrote:: only 3 feet deep? Wasn't Cleveland's casque buried more than 4 feet deep? What if you just missed finding it on your first hole, and all the rest were wasted effort? This is one reason why people here want to know a logical reason for choosing a specific spot to dig. On page 10 of the forum topic "image 5" forest blight posted a picture of the Chicago casque when it was found but still in the ground. the Chicago casque was buried with only 18 inches of soil on top

Doghousereiley wrote:: On page 10 of the forum topic "image 5" forest blight posted a picture of the Chicago casque when it was found but still in the ground. the Chicago casque was buried with only 18 inches of soil on top A good observation. Using a post hole digger there's a point where you go "this seems deep enough" and 18-24 inches depth is reasonable. 3 feet deep is not reasonable unless Preiss is talking about a spot which is subject to significant surface changes such as sand, where he may have placed it 24" down but anticipated a foot of new sand could easily be deposited by drift. I'm thinking the 3" down reference applies to the Carolina coast or San Francisco casques.

Unknown: I would of like to seen the size of that hole they dug, Yikes! And unlike everyone else who has ever moved some dirt in this quest, they had the advantage of KNOWING that they were in the correct spot. Yikes indeed.

This is where I dug about two weeks ago. In the center of those three trees This was inside the old train path This is the leaf from one of the the there trees I am surmising the "four Alike" are trees. Unlike Chicago and Cleveland there is no recognizable image for the painting Also you can't see the fountain because a Building as been built in-between this spot and the lake This is the tree that is "split" I know how Josh Gates felt when he hit something about one foot down. I did the same. It was this rock

Doghousereiley wrote:: ... It was this rock. Congrats on your first (is it your first?) rock! Remember where it and all the rest of the rocks you dig up were. The information will be important to you someday.

I went back to Herman Park today I am not going to be an ASSHOLE and say I figured it out and you just have be here (where? they don't say) to see it or I was standing on the casque today and didn't dig it up for some lame reason I am not going to make suggestion and not follow it up with any concrete info I went I dug I did not find anything. I did figure out how to post photos. So here is what I didn't find Today I chose a different spot to dig. This time I went North farther away from the Zoo entrance. Outside of where the old train path was in 1982 Small of scale Step across. So I walked all the way past and over where the old train track used to be I chose to dig exactly due west from the Miller outdoor theater (MOT) From this spot You can still see Mcgovern Lake and where the fountain used to be. It is a stretch but you could and the old train path passed between this spot and the lake. Here is looking back from the dig spot Looking back from treasure ground There's the spout! A whistle sounds. Herman Park is mostly old tall pine trees. About 20 feet west of the MOT there is a group of four trees of the same species. 3 are in a row and another next to it. You can see the darker green trees on google maps if you want to know exactly where I dug I am beginning to wonder if the line Perspective should not be lost is talking about the next line and not the one before it In the center of four alike. Maybe four trees in a row? Perspective/ view is the same in the middle. You only see one tree on each side. with the outside trees hidden by the inside ones? yes I am grabbing This shows the MOT to the lake with trees So with this theory I dug holes along the path between trees and all over in the middle of the group of trees Small, split, Three winged and slight Split ? Three winged ? Slight? Odd note, As I dug, a young couple was laying on a blanket less than 15 feet away. They lounged with a picnic basket out, he played guitar, she drank wine and they enjoyed Houston's first warm weather after the recent cold and wet. THEY NEVER EVER LOOKED MY WAY. NO ONE EVEN PAYS ANY ATTENTION TO ME WHEN I DIG Picture below Today as you can see the ground is very muddy. I was able to get a prob down to about 2 feet deep I use one of the things they used on Expedition Unknown I also do some digging as the layer of clay is pretty dense. For that I use a Ryobi battery powered hand drill. I attach a 36 inch in length Auger I got on amazon. You can power dig down to 30 inches. It leaves a hole about the size of a quarter that can be stepped on and masked over. It is destructive to a casque but effective to get down into hard packed soil I dug maybe 40 to 50 holes. Some in a same grid pattern One hole every 6 inches in hopes of hitting an 8 inch box If someone does dig up the casque there I can truly say I was standing on a casque. I think I wanna cry

I'm not sure if you are in the Houston FB page, @dog, but we are having a meetup there next Saturday at 9am. We are all meeting at the Atropos Key at 9 am if you want to come and share your theories. We have met twice, but the third time was interrupted by Harvey. It would be helpful if you came so we can poke around some spots with a ground probe. I've been meaning to get one, but Everytime I think about it, it's too late to order it online.

Doghousereiley wrote:: As I dug, a young couple was laying on a blanket less than 15 feet away. They lounged with a picnic basket out, he played guitar, she drank wine and they enjoyed Houston's first warm weather after the recent cold and wet. THEY NEVER EVER LOOKED MY WAY. Wait, the guy had a guitar, and a girl, and a bottle of wine, and he took no notice AT ALL of a guy digging a hole nearby? That's crazy.

Steph53282 wrote:: It would be helpful if you came so we can poke around some spots with a ground probe.. I will be working next Saturday If you meet up the first weekend in February I would be available

Steph53282 wrote:: with a ground probe. I've been meaning to get one, but Everytime I think about it, it's too late to order it online. The prob really only worked in the area I dug. It was obviously an area where water pooled and the whole area was wet mud. the rest of the park is pretty packed dirt. Not sure a prob will work like in Houston like as easy as it did in the sandy loam of St Augustine Florida

The meetup is scheduled for next weekend and has already been mentioned on several sites so we can't change it this month. I will post the next meeting date on this board when we schedule it.

Good luck I have provided you all the info I have from my experience I have posted my digging method which is effective in the Houston clay. Dry or wet I look forward to hearing what you find

Nice, someone who actually has the stones to dig, the missing piece. Are you familiar with the solve theory that you stand in the middle of the four old growth trees (I believe one is long dead but still has a stump), line up the fountain spout and the ampitheater, and dig? http://thesecret.pbworks.com/w/page/103 ... 20Solution

drunknerds wrote:: Nice, someone who actually has the stones to dig, the missing piece. Are you familiar with the solve theory that you stand in the middle of the four old growth trees (I believe one is long dead but still has a stump), line up the fountain spout and the ampitheater, and dig? http://thesecret.pbworks.com/w/page/103 ... 20Solution Yes I have read the solution. and of old growth trees you speak of.. and I have dug around it. you don't need concrete breaking machines to dig. I used power tools there is only one tree at the spot on the northwest corner of the lake where the wiki solutions suggestions there was never 4 trees at that location. maybe two trees. I did not see and stumps or depressions fro the rotting roots If you have tried to correct the WIKI with the facts on the ground you are kicked off the wiki Or my guess is that is why I can no longer post on the WIKI page or reply to comments