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here's one list, and the only named that stood out to me was "joseph", because in the guide "the boogie man" mentions "rainbow wearer".........lol, which made me think of joseph and his coat of many colors... http://flickr.com/photos/16451098@N04/2 ... 783351779/ the other side of it: http://flickr.com/photos/16451098@N04/2 ... 783351779/ amberjack memorial: http://www.waymarking.com/gallery/image ... 41b1cdb17a alphabetically? how about this for "or on the eighth a scene": http://books.google.com/books?id=e9rdhT ... &ct=result

Unknown: but i'm going to concentrate on looking for the "edwin and edwina named after him" part.  maybe on one of the crew lists on the memorials, maybe there is someone named AFTER edward, or edwina. the only thing so far with edward, is knowing that stede bonnet joined blackbeard (edward teach), which still makes me think of " the long arm of the law, which could go with "below the bar that binds" and "beside the "long palm's shadow slappy, I feel compelled to once again post this image -- which is found in the exact same book as the Sarmiento quote in V2 -- that tells us precisely who Edwin and Edwina are named for. If it were just a matter of finding people after whom Edwin and Edwina could have been named, there are probably many possibilities. But the fact that this was found in the same book makes the probability that the other theories are correct vanishingly small . Call me closed-minded, but for me the answer to the question "who are Edwin and Edwina named for?" has been definitely answered -- it's Edward Wilmot Blyden. Now, what to do with that information is anyone's guess.

but forest, it has that "or" .........either this "or" that, it did the same for the 2 sentences b4 that...... freedom at the birth of a century Or May 1913 (on the capstan) edwin and edwina named after him Or on the eighth a scene............ by the way that capstan has lots of 8's on it and capstans used bars OR levers, lol and in this pic of cthree's there is a palm tree on the left of the capstan http://outdoors.webshots.com/photo/1158 ... 4516haIyQD : http://outdoors.webshots.com/photo/1158 ... 4516MmSeYp i am trying to find stuff on blyden here.....so far no luck

The "or"s don't matter for what I'm claiming. Regardless of what is written in the rest of the verse, I claim that the Edwin/Edwina reference *must* be a reference to Blyden; the odds that it is a reference to anything else are extremely tiny, given that the same book has indisputably been used for a quote in another verse. The "or"s would not alter that at all. See, what I had hoped we could find was something like this: ...but alas, this one is in Africa.

That would make it too easy FB. What streets are around the park in question?  Is there a Wilmont Ave or a Blyden Blvd?  Is the park in the Wilmont neighborhood? It just seems to me that the reference in the V to the twins is surrounded by other descriptors of the area.  Logic tells us that EWB is somewhere/somehow nearby.

hmmm twins........wonder if there were twin pirates, lol remember i mentioned the "rainbow wearer" from the guide........rainbow row is right by the gardens: http://travel.yahoo.com/trip-journal-81 ... n_savannah "At the tip of the peninsula, we strolled along the park-like " Battery at the Harbor” There is a good view of Fort Sumter and RAINBOW ROW "

Quote but i'm going to concentrate on looking for the "edwin and edwina named after him" part.  maybe on one of the crew lists on the memorials, maybe there is someone named AFTER edward, or edwina. the only thing so far with edward, is knowing that stede bonnet joined blackbeard (edward teach), which still makes me think of " the long arm of the law, which could go with "below the bar that binds" and "beside the "long palm's shadow slappy, I feel compelled to once again post this image -- which is found in the exact same book as the Sarmiento quote in V2 -- that tells us precisely who Edwin and Edwina are named for. If it were just a matter of finding people after whom Edwin and Edwina could have been named, there are probably many possibilities. But the fact that this was found in the same book makes the probability that the other theories are correct vanishingly small. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- i found another Edwin and Edwina ( booth ) bad thing it would take v-6 to new york and not south carolina, wont have much time to look for any more conects, to v-6 at or around Gramercy Park for a few days -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://mariadering.com/pdf/TheTwilightOfEdwinBooth.pdf The first statue erected to an actor in the world's metropolis was unveiled in Gramercy Park.It was America's manner of knighting Edwin Booth.. . . His daughter, Edwina Booth Grossmann,sat on a rustic seat at his feet. His grandson, Edwin Booth Grossmann, lifted his son, the actor's infant great grandson, in his arms, to look at the smiling bronze. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- but then on the other hand i found a Nautical reference, here for battery park south carolina, maybe could work for bat park ny too who knows i think i read  bat park s.c. has an anchor ,relates to palm's http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/palm 9. Nautical a. the blade of an oar. b. the inner face of an anchor fluke. c. (loosely) an anchor fluke.

Unknown: Nothing terribly important to share but I just came up with another odd idea after reading the part of your post I quoted above.  Where ever this quote leads us, is it possible that instead of a tree {palm}, we are looking for a person? Maybe not a person, but maybe something else: (scroll down a bit to see what) http://www.texascrawdads.com/calendar

cw, ck was all into that research with the anchor, but now i can't remember if that was for image 3.......but then i remember looking in charleston for an anchor before that quote from the book about "edwin and edwina" must be to show this is for charleston and blyden, so verse 6 for sure goes with charleston, but i guess we could have the wrong image, lol.............but this is a puzzle so .......that "or" sure makes it a puzzle, lol with the colon in verse 6, just seems there's some kind of word puzzle, code, there somewhere breaking it down into the simplest, if the field guide has anything to it, we have the GARDENgoyle, and the BOOGIE man..............garden and dances, or music that would seem to be the bandstand, and it has bars on it, and i believe the flagpole for "stand" is close to it, and "simms" is close to it for the "harken to the words", and maybe even the water fountain is close to it, i just don't know. i am trying to find out if blyden gave any speeches there i know i get sidetracked easily, but fox's saying "twins", got me to thinking of pairs, pears, and there is that pear in the image, and i know we think that's for the bridge, but what if it has  a "double" (lol) meaning in the picture my computer is acting up, so gotta save a bunch of stuff today, (don't want to lose my pictures, like what happened to ck, i'd be sick)

in those pictures of the flag : http://flickr.com/photos/16451098@N04/2 ... 783351779/ http://flickr.com/photos/hdescopeland/2 ... 7/sizes/o/ they are right by a path that crosses...........the lady arms crossed, legs crossed and between two "arms" and close to the bandstand.........white house close at hand is that two flagpoles in the path?  that could be our "pair", lol blyden mentioned a flag here: http://books.google.com/books?id=DuXbWX ... t#PPA64,M1 he pushed "liberia (meaning liberty) liberty, what we think of when we see the flag ............freedom from......... from the "boogie man"....."some soul from the soulful".......blyden wrote: „Every race has a soul, and the soul of that race finds expression in its institutions, and to kill those institutions is to kill the soul.  . . .  No people can profit or be helped under institutions which are not the outcome of their own character.” i keep coming across w.e.b. dubois  and keep seeing that WEB at the end of the verse...makes me think of the SELOY clue....and he wrote The Souls of Black Folk the confederate flag was called "the stars and bars"  ........"bar that binds" we've got the judicial mask, the hanging rope..........the hangings, and one of the symbols for justice is the flag and gavel in the "gardengoyle  it mentions the gypsy moth.......the lady in the image "seeking shelter"..........white house close at hand.......the bandstand boogie man...........music, bandstand "still getting down, when you're just getting up".............. flag? stars?

forest_blight, do you know who named their twins edwin and edwina after blyden?

Forgive me if I am mistatken but I believe Blyden named his twins Edwin & Edwina...

The book is not specific about precisely who named their children after Blyden, but it was definitely not Blyden himself. A pair of twins born in Charleston during one of his visits were named in his honor. Perhaps the only important detail from this whole Blyden issue is that it occurred in Charleston, thus further nailing the city. If so, it doesn't help us much (except to link the V and P) because we already knew about Charleston.

to me, since the lion is so prominent in the picture, that has to be king street, and the mask could be for city hall (judicial) or for the hangings at white point gardens. don't you think the lady ends at white point gardens? like you go past city hall (if the mask is for city hall)? couldn't the mask just be the skull and crossbones for pirates?.... why do they call it "gardens" instead of garden?  (there's our pair/pear, lol) don't know why i never thought of this flag on this statue, it's the one with the "palm" tree and moon and his "palm", i think. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/e ... DSCN2288(2 ).JPG "The brave deeds of our local heroes are memorialized here as well. During the time of the American Revolution, South Carolina troops repelled the Royal Navy in an attack on Fort Moultrie. During the battle, a shot brought down the indigo-blue flag of the newly created state. Sgt. William Jasper grabbed a gun sponger, attached the flag to it and braved heavy fire to mount it in the face of the enemy. A monument stands in his honor today in White Point Gardens." also, i believe it says on the monument "don't let us fight without a flag " this picture shows bandstand, simms and jasper all in a row: http://flickr.com/photos/bobindrums/1553750213/ not sure where the fountain is for "hear" "stand" could also just be for band"stand" okay, i guess researching the fairies didn't get us any closer, i'm right back where cthree started years ago.......but i do believe she found the right place, just a matter of someone finding the exact spot. maybe it's on the side of the jasper monument facing the water fountain.. washington park and marion square park both close to king street and washington park has going for it that it's named after a president, but....because of the "gardengoyle" from the guide, i like white point gardens, and white point gardens was designed by olmsted.

forest_blight wrote:: The book is not specific about precisely who named their children after Blyden, but it was definitely not Blyden himself. A pair of twins born in Charleston during one of his visits were named in his honor. Perhaps the only important detail from this whole Blyden issue is that it occurred in Charleston, thus further nailing the city. If so, it doesn't help us much (except to link the V and P) because we already knew about Charleston. Let us not also forget Edwin HARLESTON (like Charleston without the C) who was a famous African American painter living at the time, who adopted his neice and RE-named her Edwina (after himself). So you could have "Edwin, and Edwina named after him." There is plenty of information on Harleston on line. Some of his paintings are located in the Old Slave Mart, in Charleston--which could be a likely locaiton for a casque burial. http://www.artfact.com/auction-lot/edwin-a.-harleston-1882-1931-servant-and-child-6-c-l78sdsn2ci

may have found the lion [ lion theme ] Once the rods were in place, they could be slowly turned until the house was once again level. The washers at the ends of the rods can be seen on the outside of the homes. I noticed that several of the washers had been covered with decorative metal lions’ heads. There is a definite lion theme in this area. It can be seen in statues placed at front doors of homes, lion decorations placed on top of and around buildings, and lion faces forged into the iron gates. not sure if this would affect the casque ( Hurricane Hugo in 1989 ) the above from here http://www.charlestonlowcountry.com/abo ... gtour.html cool clear water http://community.webshots.com/photo/ful ... 6643CjrMtz sky view of battery 1980 http://www.sciway.net/photos/coast-sc/b ... erial.html white house close at hand.... governors house inn http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Edwar ... Charleston ).jpg map to house bottom of pg http://www.twomeetingstreet.com/directions.htm did not know this was in park, must be other stuff there as yet unkown too, though this has nothing to do with verse http://www.waymarking.com/waymarks/WM9J1

cw, that obelisk site, had the word "embedded" in the description. and it could be our "shock of corn" something about it reminds me of the "h" in the mask in the image. and "washington, dc" might be one of the markers at the bottom...........for "white house" didn't i read where someone saw an arrow in this image? hmm, in "the boogie man", twice it talks about the "sun" (for sundial) "you hear him in the moonlight but lose him in the dawn" , ( moonlight would still cast a shadow), and "the boogie man's still getting down when you're just getting up"   ( which i thought was part of the flag stuff) i would find washington, dc  here and dig, lol (maybe it's around 8 o'clock) http://www.waymarking.com/gallery/image ... c41f4a45c2 also, there's a part in "the boogie man" that mentions "ali" , the boxer..and he had that well know poem about "float like a butterfly, sting like a bee". in the book it says: "He made you want to blow like Bird, or shuffle like Ali.  Invisible and Beautiful.  Unsuppressible and Free!" and here is forest_blights pic: http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/28 ... 3633yBLHBj the "wasp" and a "scene" so........maybe the guide does help? by giving obscure hints, don't you think?

slappy some things i see in img don't know why i never thought of this flag on this statue, it's the one with the "palm" tree and moon and his "palm", i think. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/e ... DSCN2288(2 ).JPG if you click img to enlarge, and look in the lower right hand corner, to the left of the 3rd post, counting from l-r, is that a donkey this picture shows bandstand, simms and jasper all in a row: http://flickr.com/photos/bobindrums/1553750213/ not sure where the fountain is for "hear" the fountain is to the right of the base of the statue in the background behind the big tree, near parking lot large pic http://flickr.com/photos/bobindrums/1553750213/sizes/o/ i think there is more writing too, on the plaques that are on each side under the feet ,wonder what they say

cw, i have no idea what that is, lol it kindof looked like an elephant to me. there are more words on that jasper statue, but i don't think it's important anymore.  this site tells some of it, scroll down a little: http://ytinamuh.blogspot.com/2007/04/wh ... ttery.html i'd seen pictures of that obelisk, I even took pics of that obelisk when i went there.  but it wasn't until you posted that site, and i read the states were  "EMBEDDED"  in the description, that i thought, that's the place. "EMBEDDED" is at the end of the verse, "beside the long palm's shadow", shadow for the "sundial," long palm for "charleston's "'s   flag, or and especially if washington, dc is close to the south carolina one. doesn't everything fit? cthree's pic with the arrow and charleston: http://outdoors.webshots.com/photo/1158 ... 4516GzDSPp well, florida's flag has a palm on it too.....so check there too, lol if white house isn't for washington, dc, maybe it's just saying on the side facing the gazebo, or if there is a white house close by.  that would all depend on where the south carolina or florida brick was positioned, i think.

Hello, I’m another lurker that has been visiting this forum and not posting. Up until now The Secret is has been a secret between myself and my partner Laura. We began working on the hunt around three years ago when she was diagnosed with cancer. It was something we did together. We choose Image 2 for special attention because I’m from Charleston and that was were we met. We’ve made a lot of progress and had planned another recon trip in May to look at the location I’m going to propose, but her health declined and we couldn’t go. In a few days Laura will be gone and after I take care of what I have to here, I want to go home for a while. I’m posting this now because looking for this casque has become as much about her as finding a treasure or solving a puzzle. I want to continue in her honor just as many of you have been working this hunt in honor of Byron Preiss but I’m afraid I’ll lose heart if I try it alone. So enough of the sad stuff, I intend to go to Charleston soon and if there’s anyone who wants to hunt with me, just let me know. Here is my proposed solution. It isn’t complete but I think it’s getting there. I am referencing Image 2 and Verse 6. I will post the specifically image analysis here and the verse analysis separately. THE IMAGE ANALYSIS Longitude and Latitude Lion’s main numbers: 33, 79 (upside down), 80, and 36. Charleston, SC (32.77°N 80.01°W) Pine Branch There is a loop in the pine branch in the middle left of the image. To me this enclosed shape looks like an outline of South Carolina. Stylized, but still South Carolina. I think enough of these state shapes are showing up that they may be as consistent as the longitude and latitudes but my focus has been on this single image so I have not developed this theory further. Pines are common in South Carolina but I feel this is mostly here to make the state shape. The pear being joined to a pine branch is interesting but I’ll write about it a little later. Lion Lions are a common decorative theme in Charleston. Door knockers, earthquake bolts, decorative medallions, fountains, statues, etc. I think the dark patches on the right of the lion’s forehead may reflect it’s origin as one of these architectural elements. Or it may be intended to blend the lion stylistically with the mask next to it. I think this image is meant to establish an African theme. The final location must have a strong African connection. I think this idea of site theme may have been a little under estimated. The Chicago treasure (Scots-Irish theme) was found in a park that borders the river dyed green each year for the St. Patrick’s Day parade. That is the largest St Patrick’s celebration in the country. The Cleveland treasure (Hellas) was found in gardens themed for Greece and Rome. Cleveland was the center of Greek immigration into Ohio. City and park share the origin theme in both cases. Charleston’s history with African Americans is long, varied and frequently regrettable. Charleston and New York were the largest slave holding cities in the colonies. One of the largest slave revolts in the early 1800’s happens in Charleston, The Confederate States secede from the Nation in Charleston and the Civil War begins in Charleston. African American’s found some of the their oldest and most influential churches in Charleston. These churches play a large part in the Liberian Exodus that starts in Charleston with the sailing of the Azor. And some of the most important court rulings on Civil Rights have a start in Charleston. African is the theme, Charleston is the city, now for the park. Larger Mask The larger mask in the image is indeed a Fang Ngil. I believe the reference for this mask is from the Louvre’s collection. This is important because almost all the elements on the mask (except the map) are from the original mask. See the image at: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Fang_mask_Louvre_MH65-104-1.jpg The mask has also been used recently on the cover of “Spirits Speak: A Celebration of African Masks”. The lighting in this cover is very evocative of the lighting in image 2: http://www.amazon.com/Spirits-Speak-Celebration-African-Masks/dp/3791332287 While the mask’s origin and use may have meaning for us I think it is more important that it does not originate from Charleston. I think that means the idea of masks comes from the city but not the literal and actual mask. I’ll say more on this later. What is very important is the map on the mask’s forehead. This, to me, is obviously Charleston, but it may also be a clue to the park. Washington Square Park was previously (and still) called City Hall Park. The park is small, walled and nestled against the back of Charleston’s City Hall (south), Meeting Street (west), Chalmers St. (north) and private homes (east). A building in the NW corner houses the South Carolina Historical Society and the park contains many monuments and memorials. Smaller Mask The shape of the smaller mask is the same as Fort Sumter from above. http://www.ccpl.org/content.asp?action=detail&catID=5764&id=14764&parentID=5748 Fort Sumter lies in Charleston harbor and is where the Civil War began. I feel the stripes and star of the mask reinforce the military or national theme of the object. The clock hands are a representation of 4:00 = 4th month = April . But 4:00 also connects nicely to the date and time of the firing on the fort by rebel troops (4:30am, April 12, 1861). http://www.ccpl.org/content.asp?id=14761&action=detail&catID=5764&parentID=5748 African Americans celebrated this event after the war: “On March 29 (1865), one of the largest parades ever held in Charleston began at noon. Four thousand blacks participated…They were followed, most dramatically, by two carts, one carrying an auction block with an ‘auctioneer’ auctioning two black women and their children. The other carried a coffin with the signs ‘Slavery is dead’ and ‘Sumter dug his grave on 13th of April, 1861.’” pg. 122, “A short history of Charleston” by Robert N. Rosen. In Washington Square Park there is a Fort Sumter Centennial time capsule and a monument to General Beauregard. Beauregard was the Confederate general in charge of the assault on Fort Sumter. I’m beginning to wonder if all images with clocks don’t have a date or event that relates to the casque location. That would make the use of a clock not only convenient but also purposeful. Moth The moth woman repeats the overall theme of fairies, Africa and perhaps slavery and freedom. The wings resemble an emperor moth but the inner, brown scales of the wings look very much like cobblestones. Chalmers Street is the longest remaining cobblestone street and runs along Washington Square Park. The street was originally called Mulatto Alley and was a street of ill repute, housing several bordellos as well as the sailors’ tavern (The Pink House) which is also the oldest surviving building in Charleston. Chalmers Street is also the location of the first home to be owned by a freed black in Charleston. 38 Chalmers, built c. 1844 for Jane Wightman. The house faces the north gate to Washington Square Park and the wrought iron of it’s gate has spiky Chevaux-de-Frise iron at it’s top and a looping butterfly like decoration at the bottom. (See: Charleston Chew, http://minnastravels.blogspot.com/2008_07_01_archive.html ) I think someone previously mentioned Chevaux-de-Frise ironwork as resembling the fairy’s hair, and I agree. Around the time Preiss buried the casques, 38 Chalmers was owned by Laura Bragg an important figure in the Charleston Renaissance of the 1920’s. She was director of the Charleston Museum where she attempted to extend education and access to African Americans. She was also the founder of the Free Library and the Poetry Society of South Carolina. Bragg’s efforts to stop the destruction of historic buildings by the Standard Oil company led directly to the formation of the BAR (Board of Architectural Review). Laura Bragg was the center of an artistic and social group on Chalmers street. One of her close associates was Ned Jennings. He was known for the creation of fantastical masks and a large butterfly and moth collection that he kept at his studio at 23 Chalmers. Sites on Chalmers Street: 6 Chalmers — Old Slave Mart Museum 17 Chalmers — The Pink House (Sailors’ Tavern) 23 Chalmers — Confederate Home & College, Jennings studio 38 Chalmers — (faces park) the first home to be owned by a Freed Black in Charleston and home of Laura Bragg Pear The pear. I hate this pear. We have had several theories about this pear over the years but none feel completely satisfactory. Bradford pear trees are common flowering trees in Charleston. Or it could be a reference to two women on Chalmers Street, but I don’t feel sufficiently confident to go too far on this yet. Daisy and Diamond Reference the month of April Other There are a few other marks, shadows, etc that may be important but I want to leave them until I have been able to do another recon of the city and park. I haven’t been in Washington Square Park in a very, very long time and need to see the site again before I add any more. The rest I will post under the Verse 6. http://www.quest4treasure.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=2437.0 Again, if anyone has any ideas we are both anxious to hear what you think. Anyone interested in hunting with me, just let me know.

jstarr, you're hooked so hopefully that will keep you coming back to The Secret, and I hope it will help you get through the bad times ahead. it's so good that you know the area, that is a big big plus. every theory is possible until the casque is found. what i liked about the downtown area was the "four corners of the law", or something like that. and that mask you mentioned, which someone said (cthree, i think, somewhere in this thread) , stands for "justice", and everything is right there around that park. there are pictures posted of that park, i even took some of that park when i went  to charleston.  it's small and there is no way you could dig during the day because people are all around. the pear that you are puzzled about, fit's perfectly for charleston, as there was a pearman bridge (now Ravenel Bridge), there (it's been awhile since i read all the posts) when you go, please take lots of pictures and posts them for us, maybe you can convince us , or even better.........find the dang thing, lol that was a good picture of that wrought iron, it really looks liek the butterfly lady's hair, but i think someone had posted that b4 too.......not sure, i know there were a lot of wrought iron gate pictures for charleston.

Cormac wrote:: Welcome jstarr, Thank you for sharing your story and your findings. Disregarding the text at the top of the included pictures (since it doesn't match the V you selected), see if you agree with these two images matching the shadows on the lion's forehead and the mask. Also, regarding the Moth wings, the cobblestone pattern you mention could also be compared to local sea turtles. The circles remind me of turtles laying their eggs in the sand. When will you be going back there?

Unknown: ... someone said (cthree, i think, somewhere in this thread) , [the mask] stands for "justice" ... Unknown: ... the pear that you are puzzled about, fit's perfectly for charleston, as there was a pearman bridge (now Ravenel Bridge), there (it's been awhile since i read all the posts)... Unknown: ... when you go, please take lots of pictures and posts ... Unknown: regarding the Moth wings, the cobblestone pattern you mention could also be compared to local sea turtles. Thank you Slappybuns and Cormac I'm really not sure when I will be going home to Charleston but it probably wont be long. Probably in a month or two. When we lost Laura's father a few years ago there was this incredibly hectic week right after, a week or two of settling affairs and then too much time to think. That's the time I expect to go home for a while. Laura's also anxious to go look or at least have me look for us. Every time she's awake she asks me if any one has commented on our solution. We've been game players and puzzle workers for a long time and she's not about to change now. Slappybuns Yes, " ... [Fang Ngil] masks were worn by members of a male society of the same name during the initiation of new members and the persecution of wrong-doers...". I'm not convinced the purpose of the mask isn't lucky coincidence. But the more I work this, the more convinced I am that Preiss did a huge amount of research and might have known. The pear. I hate the pear. I know a lot of people are connecting the pear to the bridge but I just don't think so. Even when we were working a solution for Fort Moultrie and Sullivans Island I had my doubts about the pear representing the bridge. The bridges were not really that unique among southern cities of a certain age, and locals always referred to the bridges as "the Cooper River Bridges", not by their dedication names. True, Preiss might have still used the Pearman reference but I just don't think so. The bridge was not actually close to any of the park locations, including Fort Moultrie, which is the only route it might have been on. But I think Verse 6 has a stronger linkage to Charleston than Verse 5. Verse 5 might have led to Fort Moultrie but Verse 6 does not, so I don't see him referencing the bridge. We also worked a solution with Verse 5 that might have lead to Hampton Park. This solution was weak and that route wouldn't have referenced the bridge. Our third solution used the pear as part of a rebus. This was very promising. It used Verse 6 and led to an important African location in the city but not a park and not a place that should be dug in. Chalmers Street and Washington Square Park is actually our fifth solution and the best so far. I'm still mulling over a few meanings for the pear but I'm not convinced enough of any of them to post yet. Absolutely. It's been very tempting to send my mom or one of our old friends to snap a few, but really I'm anxious to go myself and the pictures just aren't a substitute. Cormac I'm not sure the central outline shape on the larger mask represents anything beyond the original mask's decoration. But if it does, I think it looks a bit like the Washington Light Infantry Obelisk in the center of Washington Square Park. Ummm? The College of Charleston (might be University now) are the Cougars. The Gamecocks are at The University of South Carolina in Columbia. Clearly you've been missing the best college football in the country. That's SEC football. GO Gators! Yes, could be. But I was looking at the common visual elements and language of Palencar's drawings when I noticed that the shapes looked like parts of other images that were intended to be stone. Image 1 = the top of the hill left of the face Image 3 = the floor Image 4 = the arch way sides Image 6 = the hill Image 8 = the ground Because so many lines of Verse 6 seem to lead me to Chalmers and because other elements of the image relate to the street as well, I'm more inclined to read the shapes as stone. Now if you really want to twist your mind, research Stono Ferry. Big, important African event there, and could be a rebus for the place, but probably not. We've been trying to only accept theories with multiple references from the the image and verse. And I just don't think Fort Moultrie is the place. Not with Verse 6.

Hello again. For the past four days I have been in Charleston and I believe I have located the treasure’s location. Unfortunately I have just received a call back for the City of Charleston Parks Department saying they will not allow digging in the city’s parks. Barring any change, I will be leaving this hunt behind. I will post here my complete solution with my proposed digging site. I will put a link to here under Verse 6. Please, do not dig at this site without permission. All of Charleston is an archeological site and if that isn’t reason enough, there are cameras in the park right by where you would be digging. Some of this is a reposting from my original post, some of it is revised and some is new. I am doing this to create a complete, one-stop solution. Also, in trying to explain some of this to non-hunters I have realized you need a little more background to really understand this stuff if your new. Here goes. WHAT’S THE THEME AND TRIBE? In the image we have a lion, African looking masks and a winged fairy that appears to be a fair skinned African American. Referencing page 21, we find, “Africa’s Diamond, earth-born star, Bright harvest of the midnight rock.” Also, pages 16 and 17 refer to the African fairy tribes as flying and “like a windfall of butterflies”. This establishes our theme for Image 2 as African. The final location must have a strong African connection. I think this idea of site theme may have been a little under estimated. The Chicago treasure (Scots-Irish theme) was found in a park that borders the river dyed green each year for the St. Patrick’s Day parade. That is the largest St Patrick’s celebration in the country. The Cleveland treasure (Hellas) was found in gardens themed for Greece and Rome. Cleveland was the center of Greek immigration into Ohio. City and park share the origin theme in both cases. WHY CHARLESTON? Charleston’s history with African Americans is long, varied and frequently regrettable. Charleston and New York were the largest slave holding cities in the colonies. One of the largest slave revolts in the early 1800’s happens in Charleston, The Confederate States secede from the Nation in Charleston and the Civil War begins in Charleston. African American’s found some of the their oldest and most influential churches in Charleston. These churches play a large part in the Liberian Exodus that starts in Charleston with the sailing of the Azor. And some of the most important court rulings on Civil Rights have a start in Charleston. There are four clues within the image that lead me to Charleston, SC. Pine Branch There is a loop in the pine branch in the middle left of the image. To me this enclosed shape looks like an outline of South Carolina. Stylized, but still South Carolina. Daisy/Palmetto The petals of the daisy in the images lower left seem to have been arranged to look like the Palmetto in South Carolina’s state flag. Map in Large Mask I thnk this speaks for itself. Longitude and Latitude Lion’s main numbers: 33, 79 (upside down), 80, and 36. Charleston, SC (32.77°N 80.01°W) WHICH CHARLESTON PARK? There are a few clues in the image to the location of the park. The first may be the inclusion of a map of the city. Washington Square Park was previously (and still) called City Hall Park. The park is small, walled and nestled against the back of Charleston’s City Hall (south), Meeting Street (west), Chalmers St. (north) and private homes (east). A building in the NW corner houses the South Carolina Historical Society and the park contains many monuments and memorials. This may be the first clue but there are others. The Fairy, Cobblestones and Ironwork The moth/fairy woman repeats the overall theme of fairies, Africa and perhaps slavery and freedom. The wings resemble an emperor moth but the inner, brown scales of the wings look very much like cobblestones. Chalmers Street is the longest remaining cobblestone street and runs along Washington Square Park. The scrolling, spirals in the wings also resemble the decoration above the gates to the park itself. Chalmers Street is also the location of the first home to be owned by a freed black in Charleston. That is 38 Chalmers, built c. 1844 for Jane Wightman. The house faces the north gate to Washington Square Park and the wrought iron of it’s gate has spiky Chevaux-de-Frise iron at it’s top and a looping butterfly like decoration at the bottom. I think someone previously mentioned Chevaux-de-Frise ironwork as resembling the fairy’s hair, and I agree. At the time the treasures were buried Laura Bragg owned and lived at 38 Chalmers. She was at the center of an artistic and social group on Chalmers street during the Charleston Renaissance in the 1020’s and 30’s. One of her close associates was Ned Jennings. He was known for the creation of fantastical masks and a large butterfly and moth collection that he kept at his studio at 23 Chalmers. Important sites on Chalmers Street: 6 Chalmer s — Old Slave Mart Museum 17 Chalmers — The Pink House (Sailors’ Tavern) 23 Chalmers — Confederate Home & College, Ned Jennings studio 38 Chalmers — First home owned by a Freed Black in Charleston At the center of Washington Square Park there is an obelisk dedicated to the Washington Light Infantry and particularly to its service in the Civil War. On the obelisk there are several plaques that may have supplied inspiration for the fairy. A plaque identical to the one featuring the state seal is also found in White Point Gardens (the Battery to locals) and the winged trumpeter also appears on the City Hall. REFRENCING THE VERSE To choose a park conclusively I believe it is necessary to pair the Image with a verse so please excuse the cross post. I have chosen Verse 6. I believe the verse leads us from a starting point to the park where the treasure is hidden. Before beginning to work with the verse I think it is important to rearrange it a bit so that it is assembled into rhyming sets, giving us… Of all the romance retold Men of tales and tunes / Cruel and bold Seen here / By eyes of old Stand and listen to the birds Hear the cool, clear song of water / Harken to the words: Freedom at the birth of a century / Or May 1913 Edwin and Edwina named after him / Or on the eighth a scene Where law defended Between two arms extended Below the bar that binds / Beside the long palm's shadow / Embedded in the sand Waits the Fair remuneration / White house close at hand. The Sets and Progression to the Park Of all the romance retold Men of tales and tunes / Cruel and bold Seen here / By eyes of old As has been pointed out before the first four lines seem to be paraphrased from Robert Louis Stevenson’s Dedication to “Treasure Island”. Robert Louis Stevenson relied heavily on a description of Blackbeard for the creation of Long John Silver in Treasure Island. In May 1718, Blackbeard's pirate fleets appeared at Charleston, South Carolina. They plundered vessels, took important citizens prisoner and extorted medical supplies from the city before leaving. http://www.charlestonpirates.com/edward_teach.html Thus these lines serve to point us toward pirates. It may also point to the oldest sections of the city and the specific location of the Pink House (Sailors Tavern) on Chalmers Street. In addition I finally found a pear. Directly across the street from the Pink House there is a pear tree. My mom recognized this as a local variety that people used to bring them in by the bag full. She said the pears were small, hard and really only good for making jelly not eating raw. I also found this information, that also seems to point to the Pink House. “…the Pink House was also the founding site for an unusual club called the Piping and Marching Society of Lower Chalmers Street . … It was begun by a group of World War II veterans for philosophical discussions and judicious beer drinking. Each month a member gave a serious paper on a subject outside his chosen professional field and during their 'Winter Rout', a prize was awarded for the best presentation. At this meeting and at their 'Summer Frolic', the group marched through the city accompanied by bagpipes. ” http://pinkhousegallery.tripod.com/id13.html 122 East Bay, The Old Exchange and Provost Dungeon also has a strong pirate connection but no clear African theme as I will demonstrate for Chalmers street. White Point Gardens (the Battery) also has a pirate monument but little to no African historical connection beyond a monument to Confederates, which seems inappropriate. Stand and listen to the birds Hear the cool, clear song of water Harken to the words: At the time the casques were buried, The Pink House was being used as a law office but it did have a rear walled courtyard with a fountain as well as a lion door knocker. Standing next to the wall and facing Chalmers Street, the Old Slave Mart Museum can be easily seen across the street to the left. The Pink House's fountain is not working at the moment but if you go there, visit their courtyard and you can clearly hear the neighboring gallery's fountain across the wall. This will give you an idea of what it would have been like. 6 Chalmers St, Old Slave Mart Museum --- This is the only remaining place in Charleston where slaves were sold. The auction of slaves at the Old Slave Mart ended in 1863. In the 1870s the shed was altered for use as a tenement for black families and later an auto repair shop. From 1938 to the 1980s the building housed a privately owned museum of African and African American arts and crafts. A new slavery museum has recently opened in the space but is unrelated to the first. http://www.ccpl.org/content.asp?id=15669&action=detail&catID=6028&parentID=5747#8 Freedom at the birth of a century / Or May 1913 Edwin and Edwina named after him / Or on the eighth a scene These lines represent what you should be thinking about as you stand next to this old pirate tavern looking at a much later slave mart. Slavery, emancipation and segregation which are all African American issues that will ultimately lead us west down the street to Washington Square Park. Freedom at the birth of a century --- Paraphrase of lines from Lincoln’s Gettysburg Address. “Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation … that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain -- that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom …” Or May 1913 --- 1913 was the 50th anniversary of the Battle of Gettysburg (July 1-3) and the Emancipation Proclamation (celebrated on multiple dates). Both occasions were celebrated widely. However, soon after his inauguration and particularly in May, Woodrow Wilson’s begins pushing forward his policy of ”The New Freedom” and publishes “The New Freedom: A Call for The Emancipation of The Generous Energies of a People.” He sites Lincoln as model but Wilson sought freedom from trusts and monopolies. He did a great deal to institutionalize segregation into the federal government and was slow to recognize women’s suffrage as well. He sites Lincoln put the nation is well on its way to healing by pushing African Americans to the back of the bus. The two lines form a though about emancipation. It’s expectation and denial. Edwin and Edwina named after him --- Edward Wilmot Blyden. Blyden’s visit to Charleston in 1889 and the twins named for him is mentioned in “Abroad in America” but is also in other sources. I had another source that even mentioned where he stayed while in the city but I was working on a different theory at the time and have lost the reference. I think it may have been in a biography about Blyden but haven’t been able to get out of the house to track it down. I found Blyden early because I was focusing on major African American events in Charleston and he popped up. I have also noticed that there seems to have been a lot of writing done about him in the late 1970’s. A search of EBSCO Host shows a lot of scholarly work during this time. So Preiss referencing him would not have been obscure or dependant upon the single book. Or on the eighth a scene --- The best explanation I can find for this line is the affirmation of Richard Harvey Cain’s second election to the US House as representative for the State of South Carolina on May 8, 1878. Rev. Cain was pastor in to the historic Emanuel Church in Charleston in the late 1800’s. He also founded the South Carolina Leader newspaper in 1866 and was elected twice to the legislator during Reconstruction. Paring him with Blyden seems to form a thought about political power and independence. Or he was just convenient for the rhyme. Where law defended Between two arms extended Now we leave the Pink House and walk down Chalmers Street. Go to the corner of Chalmers and Meeting and turn left. The County Courthouse will now be in view. Go to the Corner of Meeting and Broad Streets. Washington Square Park is located next to the intersection of Broad and Meeting Streets. This intersection is known as the Four Corners of Law. Charleston City Hall, the Charleston County Court House, the Federal Post office and St. Michael’s Church make up the intersection. Where law defended --- In the late 1940’s and earl 50’s Judge Julius Waring handed down several decisions that greatly influenced voting rights and segregation in South Carolina and the nation from his Federal courtroom in the Court House. Most important was June 1951 Briggs v. Elliott. Judge Waring was part of a three-judge panel presented with substantial psychological evidence and expert testimony on African-American school conditions. The court denied the plaintiffs’ request to abolish school segregation. Instead, they ordered the school board to begin equalization of the schools. In a lone dissenting opinion, Judge Julius Waring adamantly opposed segregation in public education. Siting the intentions of the 14th Amendment and concluding, "Segregation is per se inequality" The appeal of this decision was combined with other such cases to become Brown v. Board of education. Waring’s decent became the foundation of the decision overturning Separate but equal in the US Supreme Court. We begin with happy bold pirates (Pink House) move to a place to consider African American issues (the Old Slave Mart) and end with the law defending their rights (County Court House). Much as the image seems to take us on a tour of Chalmers Street, the verse has lead us from one end to the other. Between two arms extended --- This line could have two meanings. 1. It could refer to arms extended in welcome = Meeting Street OR 2. Between the paths in Washington Park SEE NEXT POST FOR THE BIG FINISH

This is PART 2 of my solution for Image 2 referencing Verse 6 WHERE’S THE TREASURE BURIED? Below the bar that binds / Beside the long palm's shadow / Embedded in the sand Waits the Fair remuneration / White house close at hand. Turn left at the corner of Meeting and Broad Streets and walk east up Broad to the south gate of Washington Square Park. Enter the park walk to the edge of  the Washington Infantry Obelisk in the center of the park. Notice that the second step on this side is engraved with the words “Fort Sumter”. Move to where you can see the West and South steps at the same time. The second step on the west side is engraved “Seven Pines.” Now recall the smaller mask from Image 2 and the pine branch it hangs from. The shape of the smaller mask is the same as Fort Sumter from above. http://www.ccpl.org/content.asp?action=detail&catID=5764&id=14764&parentID=5748 Fort Sumter lies in Charleston harbor and is where the Civil War began. I feel the stripes and star of the mask reinforce the military or national theme of the object. The clock hands are a representation of 4:00 = 4th month = April . But 4:00 also connects nicely to the date and time of the firing on the fort by rebel troops (4:30am, April 12, 1861). http://www.ccpl.org/content.asp?id=14761&action=detail&catID=5764&parentID=5748 Turn around and walk on a diagonal line until you line up with the two palmetto trees to your left. You will be standing here. (This is my bubby Carl.) Below the bar that binds --- This is the one thing I’m still not 100% clear on. Could be a reference to earthquake bolts on the east side of city hall or it could be a reference to the BAR (Board of Architectural Review). Beside the long palm's shadow --- site is in line with palmetto trees that were definitely in place at the time of burial. The state flag also flies atop city hall. Embedded in the sand --- the soil here is sandy Waits the Fair remuneration --- the front plaque of the Washington Infantry obelisk is visible from here. “Fair renumeration” may be a reference to the plaque text “Fair Renown” White house close at hand --- site is at the corner of Charleston City Hall, which is white. I would also like to point out that this path is all left turns. That is, it is turning windershins, which was a traditional way of reaching fairy, or allowing fairy to reach you. I think the left hand courses have been mentioned before but I didn’t think anyone had pointed out why Preiss might have done it. So that’s my solution. Short of getting an archeologist out here with a ground radar, I don’t think there will be any digging. I do have a very slim hope in that direction but it wont be any time soon. So what do you think?

i really like your interpretation of "two arms extended"  as in a "greeting" or when people "meet" and hug or shake hands.  but that still could go with "meeting" street and white pointe gardens.  I see your cobblestones more as oysters, and white pointe gardens used to be called oyster point. seems our hunters are gonna have to be more like pirates.  you guys be careful out there. especially you cw, since i promised to bail you out, lol.

I think you've done a lot of great research, jstarr. But I'd urge you to not read too much into "pine" in the various places you've used it. That's definitely a cyprus (common in the area), not pine.

I so like the idea of a widdershins path, I thnk you are spot on with that. I think you nailed the palm tree on the flag/ flower connection the charleston map cannot be denied nor the ft Sumter map. All those things, makes me go Yep! Charleston! The top of the infantry obeliisk fits the outtline but so would just about any monument spire. Your description of the Chalmers house/pirate connection/blackbeard/bagpipers, leaves me scratching my head going huh? your lincoln gettysburg address paraphrase makes no sense to me at all. and your may 13 reason takes place in July... Law defended - sure makes sense arms extended = meeting st. maybe, - not the first thing that comes to my mind though. I think you nailled the city - you might even have the exact spot, but your reasoning to get there, seems a bit convoluted to me. When I read the chicago/and cleveland solutions, I was suprised at how actually obvious they were, and how it totally made sense. I just dont get that Aha from your solution But go dig it up and prove me wrong!  sometimes its easier to ask for forgiveness than permission!

Unknown: to not read too much into "pine" in the various places you've used it. That's definitely a cyprus (common in the area), not pine. Unknown: Your description of the Chalmers house/pirate connection/blackbeard/bagpipers, leaves me scratching my head going huh? Unknown: your lincoln gettysburg address paraphrase makes no sense to me at all. forest_blight For me the "Seven Pines" inscription when combined with the "Fort Sumter" inscription is a confirmer. Cypress is common in the swamps of North Charleston, Goose Creek and surrounds but it is not a tree you find in the pennisula ciry. In fact, of the four parks I seriously considered inside the city, only Hampton has any evergreens of any kind in it. Park trees in Charleston tend to be oak, with mixes of flowering trees. maltedfalcon Okay, a writer I'm not. What I'm trying to explain is that when I look at Verse 6, I see a beginning that references pirates and a few lines later it seems to be about slavery. So I looked for a place in Charleston that had both kinds of sites in close proximity. The Pink House (or Sailors' Tavern) and the Old Slave Mart are right across the street from each other and Washington Square Park is on the same street with both. To me it was like referencing the the Art Institute in Chicago. I also wanted to point out that the Pink House still fits the first three lines, even without knowing about the Treasure Island paraphrasing. Because those three lines are also a pretty good description of what the Marching and Piping Society did in that building. In the Gettyburg address Lincoln is talking about the nation being born, a "New Freedom". I felt the verse was comparing this hopeful sentiment with Woodrow Wilson's "New Freedom", which sites Lincoln but is really something very different. Especially if you weren't white. And yes, the Gettysbury anniversary was celebrated in July. The Emancipation Proclaimation was celebrated on several different dates that year. I mentioned them to highlight the general importance of that year. I left out the Women's March on Washington the point is the same. In 1913 a lot of people were asking for freedom and Wilson shoved their concerns aside. Neither idea moves you closer to any Charleston park, which I think he knew, because he's telling you to stand and think. Then four or five lines later he tells you about a new place. (Where law defended)

Oh I wanted to say the bar that binds if that is the horizontal stripe about head high on the wall, and if it has large bolts/nuts/washers embeded into the building. I would say that is a perfect fit.

I think it was bclews who noticed this (can't find the relevant post), but I believe that the fairy's wings resemble the cannons and cannonballs in White Point Gardens.  Here's a picture to help illustrate:

Jambone, I really like that cannon similarity! AP

to me cw, it all flows very nicely.  only problem is...if the park won't let you dig to unearth the treasure, would they have allowed BP to bury it there?  I know, it has been said that he sometimes snuck into sites to bury but I don't forsee him sneaking into a site to bury a casque only for it to be never legally retrieved.  Sounds to me like we need to find an adventurous person with a liking to treasure hunting who works in the parks service to spin them our tale. over all, well laid out cw.

Two things: First, the Edwin/Edwina connections: I think this is too weak. I do however think that the connection between Edwin HARLESTON (the painter) and his adopted daughter EDWINA (they changed her name to name her after Edwin ) is stronger. Either way, the connection between an African-American historical figure and Charleston is very strong--and frankly, I do not think it much matters which one you like better. It places the casque in Charleston, and that's what really matters. The other thing is this line: Below the bar that binds / Beside the long palm's shadow / Embedded in the sand I previously posted a diagram of an anchor--the two "arrow-head" shaped pieces on an anchor are called "palms". One is normally longer than the other. The "long palm's shadow" could mean in the shadow of that particular side of an anchor...also, an anchor is likely to be "embedded in the sand" somewhere. I think you might want to check to see if there is one nearby. The "bar that binds" to me was always in reference to the earthquake bolts found in many buildings in Charleston--it is certainly a bar that binds--and many times the bolt heads (visible on the outsides of the houses) have lion's heads as decorations. Just my two cents worth.

Unknown: only problem is...if the park won't let you dig to unearth the treasure, would they have allowed BP to bury it there? I know some of you really like the battery (white Point gardens) but remember, for most of its history it was a very unfriendly place to African Americans. Edwin Blyden would not have gone there and Edwin Harleston would probably have not been allowed. If the theme matters at all, this is not the place. I would consider either Marion Square or Hampton Park before the battery. I would consider Avery Institute, the AME church, or Jenkins Orphanage before the battery. I don't think we're going to find a piece of statuary or building in the picture that exactly identifies the spot, either. Yes, the Chicago solution had a marker very close by (the fence) and so did the Cleveland solution (wall). But Grant Park in Chicago is 319 acres. That's a half square mile for the park alone. The Cultural Gardens contains around 30 different gardens. All of Charleston is only around 134.2 sq mi and it is no were as densely populated as Chicago or Cleveland. I think we were given clearler clues in those images because we needed them. The Cleveland treasure still wasn't found without the internet and a considerable amount of cooperation between hunters. But that said, don't those fairy wings look a lot like the park gates? fox I have worried about this a lot. Especially since the Cleveland treasure was in a private garden, inside a planter. To me this comes uncomfortably close to a flower bed. But in 1981, Washington Square Park was used differently than it is today and the attitude of city officials has changed a great deal. Today, walking tour groups meet-up constantly in the park, the city hall has just had its first renovation since the 1800's and there are lights in the park at night. None of this was true at the time the treasures were buried. Charleston used to take a certain pride in its shabbiness, and at that time I don't think I would have even worried about asking permission to dig. If I had wanted to do it without permission, sneaking in at night would have been easy. I have come to believe that everything BP did was without permission or even inquiry, because asking would have given away locations. He seems to have guarded everything very closely. At the time you could get away with this. Maybe even be admired for it, but we have all changed. The seventies were a long time ago.

Just looking around Charleston for any statues that may look like the butterfly-lady.  Here is one I found.  It is Persephone...which is located in the courtyard of the Gibbes Museum on the Gateway Walking Tour.  Notice the similarity of the torso and the rounded belly. It may just mean that BP went on the Walking Tour on his way to Washington Square Park... AP

might just be me but for a bronze that would have been standing outside in the elements/ not to mention a fountain for 30 some years that statue looks awful new to me....

Malted, I guess they clean their artwork regularly... According to this site, the statue and fountain date from 1972. AP http://www.moon.com/destinations/charle ... museum-art

What a find !

animal painter wrote:: Malted, I guess they clean their artwork regularly... According to this site, the statue and fountain date from 1972. AP http://www.moon.com/destinations/charle ... museum-art I agree that it is very probable that that fountain has been there since 1972 But the artist is a very famous one and he created several fountains with Persephone in 1972 its possible that this one was moved here at a later date. - and the fountain is named for the statue, not necessarily the date it was installed. The statue of persephone was created in 1972 and obviously he made several, becaause there is one in detroit, one in new york and Michigan also.  But the simplest explanation is ususally right, so most likely "the 1972 fountain" was installed in 1972.

Malted, One more verification of age is here:  This one says it was installed in 1979. http://tinyurl.com/yzs9tap Just trying to narrow down the search in Charleston by finding visual confirmers. AP

i like her AP!

Spending time looking at the area over the lion's eye... I saw a horse...Anyone else see it? Maybe there is a street name related to horse, pony, mustang, bronco...Many brains thinking about this may find something. AP

It figures you would be the one to spot this, Animal Painter .

There are 4 horse-drawn carriage tour companies clumped together just East of Meeting St. in the historic area.

ap i see your horse i think i pointed out a mule or horse, in an old pic of white point, way back in the threads, ill go see if i can find it, cant remember if it was part of the garden, or just .....

cw0909, Reading the reviews of The Battery and White Point Gardens, people remark about the "ubiquitous" horse-drawn carriages in the parks catching their eyes. AP

I don't believe there is a permanent fixture in White Point Gardens with a horse on it. The carriage tours do come down as far as the Battery by way of Meeting and East Bay streets. Some use horses, most use mules. Monuments in the Battery/White Point Park Monument to the Confederate Defenders of Charleston Maine Capstan (replaced with Gen Moultrie) Stede Bonnet marker Daughters of the Confederacy Fountain William Gilmore Simms The Bandstand Second South Carolina Regiment Childrens Fountain USS Amberjack SS-219 Memorial USS Wasp/USS Hobson saliors obelisk/sundial Mortars and Canons There is a view of Fort Sumter and Castle Pinckney but no shots were fired from here on to Sumter, but there was a big party here during the bombardment. There used to be many more cannons but I believe they were moved before the Treasures were buried. The park is currently under going renovations and the Bandstand is mostly disassembled.

just did a search on blyden and found this: http://www.archive.org/details/africanabroadorh02ferr guess the word "abroad"  intrigued me "The African abroad"...like "Abroad in America", Visitors To A New Nation" http://ia311028.us.archive.org/0/items/ ... 01ferr.pdf p. 278 , the very last line speaking for myself, i'm pretty convinced it's in white point gardens somewhere....it's a cultural garden and c3's pic with "may 1913" is hard to get past http://outdoors.webshots.com/photo/1158 ... 4516ZMokAC i feel the quote from "abroad in america" is just saying "charleston" again the rope hanging from the tree in the image points to the marker about the pirates, and the verse speaking of pirates points to charleston harbor just my feeling

Very nice, Slappy! I am tending to lean toward White Point Gardens, too. It has the sounds of water and birds, sand, palms, literary allusions and numerous visual markers. Did Cthree ever dig anywhere in the park...or use a metal detector or probe? AP

AP i'm not sure if cthree dug anywhere.  did u cthree????

Please see my post under Verse 6 about the Old Slave Market-- and did you notice that the little woman figure in the picture is wearing what are commonly known as "slave bracelets?"  Just a thought.

So here's a comparison of the capstan in White Point Gardens to the nose of the lion in Image 2: I realize that any similarity is only "suggestive" and not exact, as so many other examples are (e.g. wall, columns, fountain in the Cleveland pic, and the fence post, arch, and statue in the Chicago pic).  But I figure what the heck, can't hurt to throw it out there.

In the wings of the butterfly lady, the circles may represent cannons. But with the shading on them making them look more like "cones", I wonder if they could represent speakers. If someone is familiar with our area...Is there a place that has multiple loudspeakers or tornado sirens?...possibly stacked two together on poles? The lines around the edge of the "speakers" may be sound waves. Or...in an entirely different direction...If these are fountains, they could be water waves. AP

There is some sort of "observation tower" which can be seen from Washington Park...as you look North. Can't tell if it has loudspeakers or tornado sirens on it. http://www.panoramio.com/photo/6832836 Aerial shots from Bing show that the tower is now the same red color as surrounding roofs. Update: It is an old fire-watch tower. Upon magnification, there seems to be a bel l in the tower. Still searching... AP

Every time I look at image 2, it reminds me of a painting I did years ago.... animal painter...aka AP

Looking at image 2... The areas inside the wings to each side of the lady's torso... look something like marine mammal flippers with toenails, like you would see on manatees.  Maybe referring to Manatee Warning signs in the harbor. Still searching. AP

that view of the girl AP really looks like she's being strangled........lol, i'm hooked on the pirates...... but look at the flower in the image, doesn't it really stand out compared to the other flower images in the book? and couldn't that be the shape of a crescent moon in the pear above the flower? look again at the state flag of sc, doesn't the daisy remind you of the palm tree in the flag? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_South_Carolina and if the butterfly lady is the "x marks the spot", i'm pretty sure the flagpole is in the middle of the battery by the bandstand and the flag has the "palm" etto tree........hmm, that "etto"  makes "palm" long ....er

wow it worked! (i'm glad i named the pics something relevant)

Way to go, Slappy! Yes, the shadow on the pear does look like a crescent. Sounds like you are thinking like BP...with his play on words. (Manatees would take you closer to the Battery... ) AP

thanks AP! you guys are so good with your pics and especially the map stuff.  I'm going to have to learn how to do that too. i'm much better with the word play than the maps, or ...i like messing with the words more anyway, lol. i still like these lines to mean HERE "stand and LISTEN... (hear, HERE!) "HEAR the cool..."    (hear, HERE!) "HARKEN to.... "       (hear, HERE!) but that's 'cause i like the word stuff,  ;D another word for "PETAL"  is FLAG!  (like the daisy petals) LOOK: http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/petal and i think the blyden reference is just that this is the "africa" image....because he thought "africa for the africans" i don't know how to overlap them to try to fit them together

Slappy, Jstarr did a very nice overlay (but did not turn the flower upside down) on page 25 of this thread. It does have more than a passing resemblance to the state flag.  I do like your pointing out the crescent shadow in the pear above..giving even more similarity to the flag.

yikes, thank you AP! i'm  so sorry jstarr! i missed your post! (i'm sorry, been skimming thru a lot lately, and usually it's in the early early morning)..........but ..i am a little bit different in that i'm thinking of a flagpole or a flag in the garden,  not just that it is the sc flag i think the flower itself is not just saying south carolina...but that it's saying "A FLAG" , that the flower is the most prominent  or "key" thing in this image ........i know there are several flagpoles in white point gardens and that jasper guy has a flag too, i think...the guy that grabbed the flag and put it back up during a battle. what are u guys using to overlap the pictures? how do you do it?

Slappy, Here is a link to 10 free Windows photo-editing programs. GIMP is Google's "free Photoshop"...You might try that first. Retail programs are Adobe Photoshop or CorelDraw. http://graphicssoft.about.com/od/pixelb ... otoedw.htm

thanks AP!  i sent you a message!

slappy said from  Reply #398 on: Today at 10:02:52 am » i still like these lines to mean HERE "stand and LISTEN... (hear, HERE!) "HEAR the cool..."    (hear, HERE!) "HARKEN to.... "      (hear, HERE!) but that's 'cause i like the word stuff, from Reply #400 on: Today at 04:58:23 pm i know there are several flagpoles in white point gardens and that jasper guy has a flag too ------------------------------------------------------------------- slappy i like your ideas from the word play stand and listen.....is what you do at the bandstand,gazebo hear the cool.......the fountain nearby with the fish on it flagpole....i think one is halfway between the gazebo,and fountain if i remember right

I think the flower/pear/flag bit is brilliant. Good work.

Looking at the butterfly lady's hair in image 2, I first thought it looked like thorns...then I thought..it's more like an eagle's nest. There is at least one business in Charleston, called "Eagle's Nest". It is a gift shop at 188 Meeting St., in the Market Hall and Sheds. No luck yet in finding out if they were in business in 1981. It would take "feet on the ground" to see if there were a sign or visual confirmer.  It might explain why John Palencar drew the lady's hair in such a hard stick-like way.

I think you have found a secret to JJP's skills here Slappy.  He is a trickster.

thanks boogieman!  but it wasn't just me and......nothing has been found yet .......think we're going to have to get up a fund for our hunters, or if we could find someone in the towns to give someone free room for a week or something, i think i'm gonna ask my friends on facebook if they know someone living in charleston.  maybe we can do this for all the cities.  and when someone can go a certain city, we can all concentrate on that "one" city or image at the same time.  what do you think? ck.... i've been concentrating on this little area in the image: wondering if the limbs could be.. the one on the left--james island ferry down the middle--king street bottom one--white point gardens, wherever the best view of ft. sumter would be, because it goes on down toward ft. sumter doesn't really seem to point to any one place, maybe someone can see better than me unless it points to something specific.......or someone can see something in the shapes, i'm not seeing anything i tried rotating a map.....but i closed it b4 saving it, will try again later earlier, i was trying to work on the word "century".....can just mean "a period in time" or 100 of something, maybe "1 C", tried to find something with any of those, no luck so far also wonder if that drooping petal on the daisy means anything...like jasper's drooping flag: http://www.flickr.com/photos/tmartin/45 ... otostream/ http://popartmachine.com/item/pop_art/L ... -D4-5794.. .

The limbs representing streets is a good idea...the do look rather 'map-like'.  However, if this isn't the case, they sure do look a lot like the tree behind and to the right of the Jasper statue you linked.  Would BP, thinking that these would be solved rather quickly, use tree trunks in his images?

animal painter wrote:: There is at least one business in Charleston, called "Eagle's Nest". It is a gift shop at 188 Meeting St., in the Market Hall and Sheds. No luck yet in finding out if they were in business in 1981. Today,I called the phone number which was listed for "The Eagle's Nest" gift shop. It was answered by another store name.  The person who answered said that The Eagle's Nest was in business for many years...including the 1980's. It closed 3-4 years ago.  She said that the shops at Market Hall and Sheds can be seen from the sidewalk. (It is not an enclosed mall.) This tells me that there at least was an "Eagle's Nest" in our historic area which had a sign visible to the public in 1980. Whether that is of any use now... AP

look what they've done to the gazebo but it doesn't look like 3 to 4 feet to me http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_X7M7a33yq-k/S ... ++9.09.jpg i've got the guy's phone number if someone's brave enough to call and see if they found something  ;D

Oh my! What are they doing..and when? Thank goodness for old photos. Here is a link to a photo taken on the promenade along the Battery.  What is that obelisk-looking thing in the background?  a smokestack?...a memorial? Jstarr, do you know what that is? I can't seem to find it on any aerial shot. http://www.flickr.com/photos/thomasawol ... 0/sizes/l/

AP, here's the original site...i just always enlarge it so i can see. this past summer http://paintcharlestondaily.blogspot.co ... stand.html they've got that flagpole blocked (same site, lower down) http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_X7M7a33yq-k/S ... +9.+09.jpg

slappy pm me the # ill call and ilke your connections to the flag across the street from the monument with the sundial on it is and old hotel,fort sumter hotel, one king street now condos

AP I hope jstarr knows what that is, i'd like to know too. cw, thanks

ap i think it is the bridge tower A signature icon for the Charleston region, these towers reach 575 feet into the air and support a road deck about 200 feet above the median high tide mark. http://www.cooperriverbridge.org/towers.shtml http://www.cooperriverbridge.org/cameras.asp no prob slappy

on page 24, 3rd post down, of this thread, i had found a poem of blyden's where he says "one flag"........didn't want to quote the whole post, 'cause i go on and on sometimes, and i couldn't copy the poem for some reason... why are these monuments of "Jasper" so different? i had found this one: (back on p. 24 of this thread) http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/e ... 282%29.JPG this one, the laurel leaves around it, kindof looks like the tree limbs in the image this is where that picture came from, maybe it's not the one in white point gardens because it didn't say where it was, or i couldn't find it: http://dbpedia.org/page/William_Jasper and then the ones i just posted: http://www.flickr.com/photos/tmartin/45 ... otostream/ http://popartmachine.com/item/pop_art/L ... LC-D4-5794 and in this picture (on p. 24 of this thread) the flagpole is way bigger http://www.flickr.com/photos/hdescopela ... 7/sizes/o/

cw0909 wrote:: ap i think it is the bridge tower A signature icon for the Charleston region, these towers reach 575 feet into the air and support a road deck about 200 feet above the median high tide mark. http://www.cooperriverbridge.org/towers.shtml http://www.cooperriverbridge.org/cameras.asp cwo9o9, I believe you must be right. If the tower appears to be that large from this distance, it must be immense! So much for finding another obelisk on the waterfront.

well good and bad news, per my conversation with Dustin Clemens, the project manager (city parks) i spoke to him at 10:45 am 11-18-09, dustin is a very nice man, he was genuinely interested in the story of the hunt, and will be on the look out for the box, on any future projects in the park/s bad news is he said no plexy glass box was found,but would double check that. the contractors only dug out to about 3 ft, from the base of the bandstand good news they found an old sewer system,under the bandstand,that needed to be filled in ie sealed an cemented closed, it appears to run under walkway towards the flagpole, and it needs to be checked out to make sure it wont collapse, so some digging near there in the future dustin is going to send me pics of this update to the park,and info and pics on previous updates

im thinking maybe the fort sumter in pic has 2 meanings, since this house is across from the park of interest

wow cw!  that's exciting!  what do you think?  you think he will let you know if he finds anything? did you get him interested in the hunt?  wouldn't that be something if they find it near the flagpole?  you did a great job!! thank you!

cw0909, That is an excellent job of "communicating" with the right people in Charleston. I just received a response from the administrator of the East Bay Playground, (which is now called the Hazel Parker Playground and Community Center.) The playground is along the waterfront on East Bay Street...which is the same street as East Battery...but farther down the way. I sent her the photo of the obelisk-type object behind the Historic Charleston Preservation Building.  At first she thought it was one of the bridge supports. Then she took a walk down the Battery to see the area for herself. She says that she could not see the object from where she thought it should be... Hmmm So she sent the photo to several other people to see what they could make of it. (I know it MUST be the bridge support...but how strange that she could not see it.) We shall see what comes of it. AP

I have found a photo that I believe conclusively shows the bridge support tower with the cables...end of mystery...

AP, those towers fit perfectly for an iconic image, i thought........but, i don't think they were there in 1981.  were the old bridges an iconic image for charleston? "The eight lane bridge satisfied the capacity of U.S. Route 17 when it opened in 2005 to replace two obsolete cantilever truss bridges. " look at the struts under the old bridge here...looks like a capital H  ;D

is the butterfly lady a slave,last pic in set could BP have seen a similar pic http://www.scribd.com/doc/2541625/The-Slave-Plantations jpeg http://negroartist.com/SLAVE%20SALES%20 ... 0s_jpg.htm

i really liked the likeness to the girl in the image i looked up suriname and found this: "The Surinamese Creoles form the middle group 18% of the population. They are the mixed descendants of West African slaves and Europeans (mostly Dutch)." maybe just another reference to africa? like the gem. merry merry merry christmas everyone!

I have a wild theory on P2/V5. I was wondering if there was anyone near Sullivan's Island? I will post more on my theory once I gather a few more pics from the web.

Not near it, but I've been there and I think it's a great candidate site.

Well as far as my theory, it may be far fetched. Here it goes... For the V5 I will focus on the wingless bird line and after, since the lines before people have come up with Fort Moultrie as a possible nearby location already. A wingless bird ascended I also saw the riddle as someone else mentioned about a wingless bird being smoke. Born of ancient dreams of flight Smoke is born of fire. What does this have to do with ancient dreams of flight? I was thinking of born of fire and ancient flight , which made me think of a Phoenix. The dream part may just be there because a phoenix is a mythical creature. Beneath the only standing member  Of a Forest Stella Maris church across from the fort was built to replace the Church St John the baptist. The church was the only public building left standing on the island after the Charleston fire in 1861 and the war ending in 1865. The definition of forest also says,      Forest  4. a thick cluster of vertical objects: a forest of church spires. To the south  White stone closest Directly south of the church is a small plot of land with a white stone, a stone wall like in the wings and a bird bath which looks like the lion's nose. At twelve paces  From the west side To the west side of the white stone is the bird bath which looks about 5-6 paces, pass the bird bath in the back is another stone wall just about 12 paces Get permission  To dig out I don't know who owns the land or who you would get permission from. Stella Maris is also The star of the sea, like the star on the Fort Sumter part of P2 and the Phoenix idea to me seemed symbolic of Charleston being reborn from the ashes. again the 1861 fire and war. Attached will be some images. 1 is an arial view of Fort Moultrie welcome center. Look at the walkway near the parking lot. The X in P2 looks to be where the church is. Also there is a tree in front of the church, which looks similar to the type of tree used for the "branch street map" I said my theory was wild and probably far fetched.  But I just wanted to get this out there Sorry for the image quality of the white stone and stone wall. I could only get those from google earth. The tree image was too large a file for an attachment so here is a link to it. http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.photolib.noaa.gov/bigs/line3276.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.photolib.noaa.gov/htmls/line3276.htm&usg=__5K-t9u8iyo6numJYYJJ52tHH4F8=&h=2448&w=1632&sz=2889&hl=en&start=1&um=1&tbnid=GI-ga_NqTPQGaM:&tbnh=150&tbnw=100&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dstella%2Bmarisgnarly%2Btree%26hl%3Den%26um%3D1

I'm pretty sure "the only standing member of a forest to the south" refers to Osceola(as in Osceola National Forest in Florida), whose tomb is in Fort Moultrie where he died while imprisoned, and whose ceremonial headdress was made from three ostrich feathers, which would connect the "wingless bird" part.  Additionally, keeping with the African theme of this puzzle, more than 50% of African slaves brought to North America were processed through Sullivan's Island. Anyhow, Osceola's tomb is probably key.  I'm in Charleston on vacation for a few more days. Fort Moultrie, here I come!

Skunkboy -- that's a great theory. But I wonder what you would say about the fact the verse says Beneath the only standing member. It can't literally be beneath Osceola, unless BP disinterred the unfortunate fellow. To the south, perhaps? Also, I pair the line "A wingless bird ascended" with "Born of ancient dreams of flight" -- how does that reconcile with Osceola?

Hi all - I've only been looking at this for a few days and it'll take me a while to get my head round all the amazing research on this book, so forgive my general ignorance. Couldn't resist posting a few random thoughts on this image to clear my head, though it's probably nonsense. 😉 I'm wondering about the idea of a lion hidden behind a "Fort Sumter" mask. Has anyone investigated the other Sumter, which also falls within the range of latitude and longitude...? It has a "Swan Lake Iris Garden" on Liberty Street. (Didn't the solution for Image 4 involve Liberty Boulevard...? I'm interested in the recurrence of the lion image.) The white fringes of the fairy's wings resemble feathers. Sumter is the "Gamecock City". The Gamecocks are associated with the University of South Carolina, which seems to be on Sumter Street, founded 1801. It's possible to see an "1801" and a "USC" around the 80, though it's possible to see almost anything in all those whiskers...

hi WhiteRabbit! i'm just rereading all the posts myself and taking notes.  i've been gone for quite awhile, and it  seems quiet here, but i'll be getting back into it once my notes are up to date.  welcome to the hunt! the outline of charleston and fort sumter are all in the image. and the old pearman bridge and oysters or cannons. seems it just needs to be pinned down to exact place.  good luck!

(Ah, OK...thanks for that!)

How should I go about discussing this image with verse 8?

erexere post it on this thread and verse 8 thread (just copy it over there) can' t wait and hi

I posted a bunch to verse 8 earlier and should've posted to this image instead.  I think I'm working more with the image perspective.  I'll try to copy and paste after first adding this pigeon idea, which is somewhat independent of any verse theory. (copy from verse 8 thread now follows) Anyways, this is verse 8 discussion and I am unclear on whether you're pairing it with Image 10, 1, or 2. Here's why I think it is 2:  The Mitchell (verse) connection to Africanology (image), the wonderstone/hearth (verse) connection to a moth's wing spots and attraction to a flame (image ..see moth winged lady).  A line may be drawn through these two points that points to Lake Park. [/quote] I'm tempted to lean towards Charleston and the Fort Sumpter being red herring because 1) more obvious than anything else, 2) still serve a purpose towards a Milwaukee interpretation In the Sumpter shape, the correlation of the eye slits to the lion bridges is strong, and the center of the time piece may be the light house.  The star fits the General statue in Lake Park as a symbol, and the three stripes do look yellow after a second study of two different sources.  The contrast between the "teeth" and the cheek stripe is a good way of seeing what is white and what is almost white but actually yellow...if it were the other way around I'd be looking for a smoker or coffee drinker...so please consider the Ellsworth Kelly, 1965 art piece that hangs just a stones throw from the light house in the Milwaukee Art Museum. Here's a better mix of the moth lady and the topographical map image, elbows to hips on BOTH sides are strong match as well is the lower left (southern paw?) wing segment: I was looking just one analogy deep, but now I think it's two deep Wonderstone : Hearth :: Moth : Flame :: Pigeon : Bridge Now tell me pigeons aren't attracted to bridges.

erexere, Here is an idea for the butterfly lady...in Charleston.

Hrmmph, I'm not ready to let a nude statue topple my pairing theory, but I'm stuck with the idea that charleston is involved.

too much fun with that one

You forgot the bracelets. It could only be wonder woman.

I was thinking along the lines of the Lady being an ATLAS moth, but I like the Wonder Woman identifier. Charles Moulton Marston, her creator has a 'bird' reference in his name with MOULT.  Does that get us anywhere?

fort moultrie hmmm, you might have something there

That cracks me up, WR! How do you find these crazy matches??

So which is it, are the three lines red white blue OR red yellow blue?

erexere, In my opinion... The color, if it is not vibrantly obvious, is just "pale". If it were necessary and required for recognition, it would have been made more distinct. In this case...I don't think it would help to "sweat the details". AP

The red, white and blue bars corresponded *very* well to a sign someone found at a park in the area -- the right length, spacing and colors in order.  There was a picture back in this thread somewhere.

Jambone wrote:: I noticed something in Forest Blight's picture - the red, white, & blue stripes. forest_blight wrote:: Why do I always miss these things? And in my own pictures! These are the previous references to the red-white-blue stripes on a previous page of this thread. (page 14 I think.) Thanks ,Bigmattyh, for the lead... AP

Looks like it's here.

Oh...I finally read through this whole thread.  I feel completley okay with tossing out all of my ideas linking P2 with Milwaukee...or V8.  I feel like I've just recovered from a high fever and now things look all neat and tidy with respect to P2 as Charleston and V6 looks very good as its pairing. I'm trying to judge how the picture could have a proportionality preference with respect to having a set of photos of key locations that all fit into a "nice" order when sticking the poetic sap to the purpose of directing us to the casque location. Is it concievable that BP took photos from a scenic highpoint like a bridge or fort sumpter or downtown building?

WR -- you've circled the correct spot for that sign.

On the Edmund Wilmont Blyden idea - the flag for Lybia has one 5 sided star, just like the one on the Ft. Sumter mask.

FWIW, Libya's flag was solid green (no stars, no stripes, no nothing) from 1972-2011.  Preiss hid these treasures in 1980-1.

Unknown: E. Lee Spence, a pioneer underwater archaeologist and prolific author of books and articles about shipwrecks and sunken treasure discovered, with the help of Isle of Palms residents Wally Shaffer and George Campsen Esq., many shipwrecks along the shores of the Isle of Palms in the 1960s. Their discoveries included the Civil War blockade runners Rattlesnake, Stonewall Jackson, Mary Bowers, Constance, Norseman and the Georgiana. Just re-read this thread and considering V6 with its Blyden/slavery connections. I wondered if Treasure Island might simply indicate an island, eg the Isle of Palms to the right of Sullivan's, which also seems to have been known as Long Island (long palm's shadow). There's a Palm Blvd. Fair remuneration - fairway / golf...? Fairway Oaks Lane...Fairway Village Lane... Bar that binds - it's a barrier island... The butterfly fringes might be the eastern beaches.

Stella Maris still rules though. The upper mask could indicate an inside view of the arched window and organ stops. Here's a map showing church and Moultrie sign...I'm not sure where the infamous stone is... Beneath the only standing member Of a forest To the south White stone closest At twelve paces From the west side Get permission To dig out. "The only standing member of a forest" seems an unnecessarily complicated way of saying "tree", and I still like the church/Osceola interpretation of this. Or it could be both I suppose. "Beneath" could be south on the map. At twelve The highlighted road to the south is Station 12 St. Butterfly lady and the glasses (sunglasses?) might suggest a beach location. This is the view from the bottom of 12 St. Get permission I was wondering if any of the various signs in this area might mention permits...

I have found a Daisy Geyser located near a pear shaped stream, with Lion Geyser and a twist of Roads looking like the African Mask and hanging pendant mask (string and all) in the wood no lion fears because it is the Petrified (frightened) Forest.  Water always veers into the sky with geysers, so and the whistle always sounds for Old Faithful.  Also, the fairy lady's wings are exactly like the colorful mud pits that bubble through the park. Check out the area near the Old Faithful Geyser with Google Earth. (This is just in case you don't find it where you were already searching).

Interesting ideas....but we can't forget that the lines in the mask ARE Charleston.

This Core Sound thing has my interest.

Unknown: Two years after the lighthouse went into service, the Civil War started. As the Confederates lost hold on the Outer Banks, they retreated. To prevent the Union soldiers from using the lighthouse to their advantage, the Confederates blew it up. Unknown: During the war, the lighthouse served as a lookout post. When the Confederates were driven back, the lighting system was removed so that the Union soldiers would not be able to use the lighthouse. Unknown: During the Civil War, the lighthouse became very important. The area surrounding the new Cape Lookout Lighthouse served as a military stronghold. When the Confederates were forced to retreat in 1861, they attempted to blow up both beacons so they would be inoperable for arriving Union soldiers. Asking a few really straight forward questions I am able to come up with the following notions: 1) Why the lion?  Perhaps it is attached to the common phrase "in like a lion, out like a lamb" and suggest we are looking at a site that endures massive wind storms.  The lion, symbolic of the sun as well, and the moth have me considering a destruction theme, like the story of Icarus...minus the part about moths being nocturnal. 2) What species of winged insect is characterized by the wonder woman?  How about the Polyphemus Moth, which is the name for the Cyclops of Greek myth.  A Cyclops could indicate a lighthouse perhaps? 3) Does the certainty about Fort Sumpter relate to any specific lighthouse's history?  Fort Sumpter's greatest moments revolved around the Civil War.  It's lighthouse was destroyed in the conflict.  Where any other lighthouses nearby destroyed, did any survive?  Was it important to the war that a secondary lighthouse location be maintained for an alternate path to safety?  Here is a list of lighthouses that existed during the Civil War: a) Bodie "Body" Lighthouse, NC: b) Cape Hatteras Lighthouse, NC: c) Ocracoke Island Lightouse, NC: No mention of damage or soldier involvement during the Civil War. d) Cape Lookout Lighthouse, NC: e) Bald Head Island Lightouse "Old Baldy", NC: No mention of damage or soldier involvement during the Civil War. Okay, I'm interested in going with option D, the lighthouse that was "very important", and survived the attempted bombardment.  Part of the story at Cape Lookout includes mention of the original lighthouse being totally destroyed, but the newer one was maintainable through the conflict.  I'm not a history buff, so excuse me if I get anything wacky.  All of the South Carolina light houses were preemptively prepped (lenses removed and secured if possible) for the conflict so the Union soldiers couldn't use them to easily land when the state ceded from union. Cape Lookout is right in the Harker's Island area.  If we are seriously looking for an anchor as the pointer to the specific dig spot, then I've located one large black anchor at the Harker's Island Visitors Center on the southeast corner of the island. http://www.nps.gov/calo/planyourvisit/v ... enters.htm

erexere wrote:: What species of winged insect is characterized by the wonder woman? Intro 17: "...the Fairy Spirits of Africa...fluttered down like a windfall of butterflies". (Get yrself a copy of the book - there are plenty on Amazon...) http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/ ... ition=used

Thanks!  I am one of those people who never uses Amazon.  My mom gets it all there.  I tend to just do ebay or craigslist...silly me, I just forget Amazon is the place to go. So the woman is more Butterfly than Moth, still the "eye" features are consistent on the wings.  The verse mentions 'eyes of old' is that possibly a cyclopsian myth connector? Also, i want to say how much better it is seeing the Sumpter connection.  I cant believe I had workedup such an elaborate view of image 2 as the Milwaukee image early on.  It was that African, lion bridge thing that got me...  Now I've settled down enough to look for a more plain process:  find the key (charleston map) area confirmer, narrow it down from there, like the Terminal Tower or the Old Chicago Water Tower two or three miles off.  In this case, I think Sumpter/Charleston is the regional connector, and now I wonder if the Beaufort area is the more specific result or is it a stretch being too far away?  Blackbeard's history seems consistent with the first part of the verse and was involved in several cases of being immobilized by sand bars. I read a note on the .gov website that metal detecting is not allowed in the area.  Things have really changed in 30 years to hamper any chances eh? The Sumter shape has rotation when compared to the actual site.  Perhaps some other rotations will match something.  The clock hands has a similar angle to the Outer Banks. Lighthouses and Lions both have "Keepers".

I don't have a logic trail for this, but it is associated with hunting, and has a lighthouse nearby.  The date 1913 precedes the building of this structure which was in the 1920's. The Whalehead Club, note how the dormers and the two off-level gables are on both sides, it's oddly reminiscent of the "mouth" on the Sumter clock.

It's interesting, but Preiss would not have had access to that view of the club in 1980, enough to take a photo for Palencar to incorporate into the painting.

I had that same thought, only the ground perspective has the same effect.  Nine dormers per side looks like ^^^^^^^^^.  The Sumter clock looks truncated like <^^^^^^> and better compares to the space between the peaks.  The 1980 perspective would be a badly damaged, defunct and run down building.  I don't think it was even on the historic places register at the time.  Nearby there was a white house however, where the Keepers of the lighthouse lived.  The most bothersome part is how far north this is deviating from Sumter and it is walking distance from Roanoke which is the image 3 consensus...

I'm sure this has been mentioned before but..... does anyone else agree that Sullivan's Island can be seen almost exactly within the white area of the lower right side of our lady's butterfly wings?

YES--undoubtedly. See the thread for Verse 6 for more info.

Huh. That's pretty neat.

Just now worked with rotating the map to fit the orrientation of Sumter and with respect to light houses I liked the Morris Lighthouse the best as fitting the perspective of looking at Sumter in the direction from which the cat's eyes are positioned.  Made me consider Morris the Cat for a second and then i realized that a sitting cat's shape is ver much like a pear.  Lol.  The house nearby, which isnt underwater yet might be worth looking into.  It might be considered "below the bar".  Watching and listening to birds is a major cat activity as well...

I don't get it...you're saying this is a match...?

Lower right side of the upper wing, WR.

forest_blight wrote:: Lower right side of the upper wing, WR. . Why does that look like the line from verse 11?

Unknown: Thank you for your interest in Cape Lookout National Seashore. The first Cape Lookout lighthouse was built in 1812, but it proved to be too short to effectively warn sailors away from the dangers of Lookout Shoals.  The current lighthouse was completed on November 1, 1859.  At that time, it did not have the painted design (called a "day mark") but was a simple red brick tower.  The tower was painted it's distinctive diagonal checker or diamond pattern in 1873.  This pattern makes the Cape Lookout lighthouse the only one in North Carolina which can act as a compass: the black diamonds mark North and South while the white diamonds mark East and West.  A historical timeline for our lighthouse can be found on this webpage: http://www.nps.gov/calo/historyculture/ ... meline.htm . The Cape Hatteras and Bodie Island lighthouses ( http://www.nps.gov/caha/historyculture/ ... ations.htm ) also received day marks in the 1870s while the Currituck lighthouse in Corolla was left with its brick color.  This was done because all of these lighthouses we designed based on the same pattern.  The different day marks allowed mariners to determine their location during the day from the pattern of the lighthouse.  Sailors could distinguish the lighthouses at night by their light flash pattern.  The Cape Lookout lighthouse has used several different flash patterns but the one currently used is one flash every 15 seconds. The building used for our Visitor Center on Harkers Island is older than it appears: it is a re-purposed motel.  It was first used by the National Park Service in 1996.  There was a two-story Ranger Station near the current Harkers Island Visitor Center which was removed when the visitor center was completed.  There was also a restaurant, which has since been destroyed, located in the picnic area across the street from the visitor center. The anchor in front of this building is from the Olive Thurlow, which wrecked in December 1902 in the Lookout Bight about 0.5 miles south of the Cape Lookout lighthouse.  The Thurlow  was a three masted, 577 ton, barkentine that was 149 feet long.  It was carrying lumber from Charleston, SC to New York, NY when the crew sought shelter from a gale in the Lookout Bight.  Despite the protection of the natural harbor, the ship was driven on the sand by the winds.  The surfmen of the Cape Lookout Life-Saving Station responded to a distress signal and rescued all but one member of the shipwrecked crew.  John Chalky fell overboard after being struck in the head by the mizzenmast and was lost at sea.  More information on the Life-Saving Service in this area can be found on this webpage: http://www.nps.gov/calo/historyculture/surfmen.htm . The anchor from the Olive Thurlow  is on loan to Cape Lookout National Seashore from the North Carolina Office of Archives and History ( http://www.history.ncdcr.gov/ ).  I am not sure if or where the anchor was displayed before it was loaned to the park. If you have any other questions or require additional information, please feel free to contact the park at (252) 728-2250 or [email protected] . Here is an email response from the Harkers Island visitors center to my general questions about the lighthouses in area and then the anchor specifically, Maybe something useful to somebody.  Just concluded a glancing read of the history of the Olive Thurlow December wreck and learned its anchor wasn't recovered until 1996, so this can most certainly get crossed off the list of possibilities.

What in this image might be considered as leaning?  One of the Cape Romaine Lighthouses has a noticeable lean. Sumter clock:  a clock is often set in a tower structure, but also on the ground in the other extreme, as in a sundial.  Lighthouses still echo with possiblity since some use a period reference like a flash every 15 or 20 seconds.  They have a small hand and a long hand.  The Cape Romaine lightouses are two almost side by side, one short, one tall.  The wing has the two circular blips side by side in the upper part.  The Sumpter clock, pear, mask, and butterfly woman all have a tilt to them.  I bet there wont be any trouble digging in this area, it looks defunct enough.  I wonder if the idea is to find a spot where the sun casts a shadow to a spot that completes an angle just as shown in the clock, connecting to the short light houses position...or where is the shadow of the tilting lighthouse at 4pm in May (based on 1913)?  Ive used the sundial tables to find a shadow position in the past.  The trick is finding the tables that show the seasonal adjustments.  Some sundials have this chart built into them.  I worked with something like this at the U of O back in the early 90's. 33 degrees elevation with a 265 degree east to west azimuth (about 8:45 position for the shorthand using 12 as north.). Using a trigonometry this puts the point of the light house shadow about 230 feet east and 20 feet north of the 150 foot tall lighthouse.  This alignement also puts the lighthouse in an obstructing position from a slender path leading to the older smaller lighthouse. My figures are estimates only.  As far as getting the approx angle and azimuth of the sun, the Month is all that is needed.  The 1913 could be 24 time, or 7:13, which could represent where the Sun's position is as far as the short hand angle in the noon as north convention.  That is comparing an estimated 265 degrees with an actual value just under 235 degrees.  This deserves closer examination, but it looks close in many ways. Is this island accessible or private?

Okay, just finished looking more closely at some things. I still don't know the exact azimuth, but looking at a solar chart curve I could tell it was something in the middle of 180 and 270. Based on where the road between the lighthouses it is close enough to that estimate. I think the sumpter clock is really BP's personal compass, hanging from a cord or chain. Here's what I've done in these images, which in my haste are a little out of order: (second from top): using the skinny road as a line and compass declination back to true north gives 240 degrees (top): finding the angle of the other lighthouse to be 214 degrees (third from top): turning the compass shows a long hand and short hand shape that is similar to sumpter clock (4pm) (fourth): sumpter clock Here's what's really amazing, using a webtool to display an analog clock's hands at exactly 7:13 or 19:13 in 24hour time has the same compass reading of 214 degrees.  I didn't even have to touch the compass setting to see this.  Nothing I've done here requires GOOGLE MAPS or even a map at all in order to compute these angles with a compass.  All this can be done on the ground with standard compass.  Also, notice the compass needle itself isn't perfectly lined up with the short arrow, that is because true north and magnetic north are not the same. NOTE: there is a purple short hand arrow beneath where the compass arrow sits perfectly aligned.

why not just go with the short hand pointing north?

hey, that works too... I'm reconsidering everything.  I think May 1913 from the verse is two things, May is putting us on Memorial Day, but the original May 1st version, and 1913 is the 24-hr version of 7:13pm. 7:13 looks the same as a rotated 4 o'clock.  This number corresponds to the angle between the twin lighthouses (not exact twins, one is short and one is tall - is that like fraternal twins Edwin and Edwina?). I think a Sun position is needed to put us on a shadow location, I learned now that different days in the month can make enough difference in distance, so Memorial Day is a great deduction based on Charleston and Sumter.  Three possibilities work in my mind, (1) the position of the Sun where the lighthouse and small road and Sun line up, or (2) the position of the Sun where both lighthouses and Sun line up, or (3) wherever the shadow points at the Sun's azimuth on May 1st.  The peak angle of the Sun on May 1st is about the same from year to year being about 72.5 degrees.  This value is interesting to me because it is very close to 1/5th of a 360 degree circle.  There's a few "five" things going on here, like the star in the Sumpter clock, and May being the 5th month, but also the little pentagon on the wing. As far as polygons go, there's a few things that make me think they are clues about the higher order octagonal shape of the tall lighthouse:

Sorry if this is hard to follow, its going to look complicated before it gets simplified. 1913 = 19:13 = 7:13 PM, which is the same as 12:38 if you keep the angle between hands the same and rotate.  Looking at a 1980 table, the elevation of the Sun is 71.8 degrees from North and 196.6 degrees from East to West.  The Lighthouse is 150 feet tall, which computes to 45.3 feet South and 13.5 feet East or 47.3 feet of shadow from the base. But this could all be wrong...maybe May 8th is where we the shadow is "scene". I think this is a lighthouse shadow as it is "outlined" and up to the left on the image is an orb like depiction, the Sun?

It's really interesting, but I have trouble getting past in the two found casques the picture just got you to the general location of the casque (city) With some local area confirmers in each picture, Things you could see from nearby the casque site. Then it was the verse, only that specifically took you from the locale to the exact spot to dig. Just me but I would suspect the next casque to be found will bear out that pattern. What would the odds be that out of 12, the two that are uniquely that way are found... Not impossible, but I think unlikely.  -on the other hand, there are no clocks in those two found pictures. so maybe this applies to the pictures with clocks. Can you explain how this would work with image 1 and the clock at 6:00 or image 7 with the clock at midnight?

I haven't given this type of sun/shadow consideration to image1 or 7.  Certainly we need to look into the more specific locating method.  I think Four21thrasher got me on this idea when he pointed out the semicircular arc line and the outline of the tower shape, which I hadn't noticed before.  The Sun travels in an arc. On the eighth a scene could be an instruction to stand at the south side of the lighthouse, one of the eight side's, and walk about 50 feet south.  Might be as simple as that based on the shadow about noon.  I doubt BP wanted for us to do tons of calculations.  Just getting there is doable if only your focus is light house "twins" and Charleston the nearest big city.  The rest is using a compass, some verse and the Sumpter clock help to identify what month shadow is important and it confirms the lighthouses as the site by using the clock hands to identify the exact angle of direction.  I can see the Sun slowly moving from East to West and the shadow cast by the tall tilting lighthouse will move over the path to the west and then come around slowly to the south on it's eastward end before sunset.  Then our task is to decide "when" is the right time to dig.  My bet is on peak azimuth OR 12:38pm. Wandered off the response, sorry.  It sure would be a possibility on both of the other clock featured images.  We need to have a Month and Day to give it any practical worth.  Memorial Day just fits too well with Image2.  Pearl Harbor for Image1?  MardiGras isnt' a specific day is it?

I never noticed the shoals matching the branch with the pear on it. and I also noticed the Ft Sumter image is hanging from the spot on the shoals called Diamond Shoals and the stone for this image is diamond

This coast line next to the pair of lighthouses looks suspicious: I think the Diamond Shoals stands to be a reasonable inclusion along with other lighthouse locations that tease us.  It's a veritable "daisy chain" of travels along the Outer Banks Lighthouses route towards Sumpter/Charleston Maltedfalcon, I was just looking at verse 10 and realized I came very close to goofing it up with verse 6.  That line about grey giant and long arm extending has been firmly wedged in my brain since working on Image1 and the Japanese Intermnent perspective.

Yes, Mardi Gras is a specific day--it's Tuesday. Fat Tuesday, specifically, the day before Lent begins on Ash Wednesday. It's always the day before, which will be exactly 47 days before Easter occurs (since Ash Wednesday occurs 46 days prior to Easter.) That means it can fall any time between Feb 3 and March 9.

The arms of the lepidoptera lady could be indicating that the image should be reversed, so If you mirror the mask on image 2 which confirms Charleston there is an outline overlaid on the skull which matches the wharf on the plan of Castle Pinckney on this historic map: http://www.history-map.com/picture/001/ ... il-War.htm This map also has the familiar plan of Fort Sumpter and Fort Moultrie outline could be the lion's mouth. nice place behind a wall again: http://binged.it/uvcQwG

wk, that is a fantastic looking map sketch and the Bing link is unlike anything I've seen as far as clarity and ease of use.  It really is astounding.  Thanks for bringing it to my attention. I'm having a tough time seeing what you're describing, there certainly are similar symmetries.  I'm currently all over the place with this image...been focused on lighthouses too much I think.  It's probably a simple civil war related riddle in the end. Oh that reminds me, when I was visiting Maryland last summer I visited Fort McHenry.  It gave me some perspective, not much, but at least I have a little first hand fort experience.  ...and that reminds me of the time I dressed up as a Bluecoat to ride a horse in the Rose Parade...it was strange being so involved with Civil War history so far from where most of the action took place.

erexere wrote:: It's probably a simple civil war related riddle in the end. Are you working on the same hunt I am? What riddle are you talking about? Image - gets you to the treasure ground. verse takes you to the casque, based on things you see in the local area... What riddle are you trying to solve? Chicago - There was no riddle. Cleveland there was no riddle. What about Image 2 makes you think it will be different?

Sorry, i was referring to things of a similar nature.  For instance, understanding that 'beneath two countries' isnt litteraly two actual countries, but gardens NAMED for countries.  Im just generalizing.  There isnt some superdeep riddle per se, just a minute adjustment from seeing things too literally.  Same goes for "Bar that binds", the question of which bar becomes a riddle.  Others, not I, made the claim that image 2 has the same shape as Fort Sumpter.  Surely you know Fort Sumpter was very involved in the Civil War.  I am proposing that something of that nature is part of the solution to this hunt since this others here have outlined the reference.  Do you have an arguement for how nothing civil war related is to do with this hunt?

erexere wrote:: I'm having a tough time seeing what you're describing, there certainly are similar symmetries. The outline which you say is a lighthouse on this image , if mirrored is the same as the outline of Castle Pinckney. It is described on the map as a Wharf.

erexere wrote:: Do you have an arguement for how nothing civil war related is to do with this hunt? Oh no - however I dont believe it is deeper than, Greek cultural garden = a country name. or Brush = nearby an art institute. so Civil war item would be right there but we wont need to examine which battles it was involved in etc..

wk wrote:: The outline which you say is a lighthouse on this image , if mirrored is the same as the outline of Castle Pinckney. It is described on the map as a Wharf. Hey, I didn't see Pinckney even existed before.  It looks omitted from the charleston outline.  Intentional?  The patch on the lions head does look kind of like you say.  Time for a closer look.  I didn't catch anyone ever mentioning this before. Pinckney the man is buried at St. Michaels across from Washington Park.  I can see why folks have brought up the obelisk, probably a better candidate than a lighthouse.

Unknown: Same goes for "Bar that binds", the question of which bar becomes a riddle. Want an ACTUAL bar that binds? Look up "Earthquake bolts". Especially ones with lion heads on the ends. You might be surprised that there are actually BARS that BIND. And that they are in Charleston. Charleston lies on a fault line known as the Woodstock fault, which geologists have determined was caused by a subterranean lava "bloom" that cracked tectonic plates millions of years ago. The adjusting layers caused a severe earthquake in Charleston on August 31, 1886, destroying hundreds of homes throughout the city and damaging many more. Because of the shaking effect that the earthquake shocks had in knocking down walls in many homes, thereafter a number of houses in the city were adorned with metal rods passing through joists and connected by bolts on outer walls. These earthquake bolts can be seen in the form of stars, crosses or round plates on many older homes around Charleston. Also...just a pet peeve of mine: it's not Fort SUMPTER. It's Fort SUMTER. There is no P in it.

If the earthquake bolt theory is correct, then we can have some confidence this casque is still findable. Buildings that are old enough to have such a bolt are worth preserving, so if a casque is under such a bolt, I'd be inclined to think it is still there. P.S. Some of them have lion faces on them.

Image 2 and verse 6 ideas. Note: Blackbeard works better as a NC Beaufort Inlet connection, but I'm taking a moment to consider thenBeaufortnin SC just south of Charleston. Searching to see if other mentions of this came up empty in the forums.  The image has Africa themes, then verse has Blackbeard themes.  There is Beaufort in SC and theres Fort Beaufort in Africa.  I see pigeons in the wings.  There's a Pigeon Point Park in Beaufort.  Theres a Lady's Island and a Cat Island.  In the art world a sitting cat is the shape of a pear...not my cat though, he's on the slim side.  Other ideas about the pear have me thinking 'garden of Eden' (gold fruit) but also "pair"...which is why I liked the double lighthouse theory so much. I spent a couple days looking at Edwin/a and 1913 May stuff.  Lots of Gettysburg 50th year veterans stuff, but no distinct SC related memorials or plaques. I thought 1913 might be a Centennial 100 year of something born in 1813, but again nothing discernible, yet. Charleston is the oldest town in SC.  Beaufort is the 2nd oldest. I know its Sumter, but why do those old historical maps use Sumpter instead?  In reference to wk's link I simply deferred to what was n use... I know this doesnt add anything new but the shape of South Carolina sorta looks like the shape of the upper left wing. The Beaufort Lighthouse has a white house close at hand.  Does the word "hand" imply a Sundial Clock method is in use?  Im still in favor of the idea since a spherical golden colored orb seems to be in the forehead of the mask up and to the left of the tower outline/shadow on the charleston image.

Unknown: If the earthquake bolt theory is correct, then we can have some confidence this casque is still findable. Buildings that are old enough to have such a bolt are worth preserving, so if a casque is under such a bolt, I'd be inclined to think it is still there. P.S. Some of them have lion faces on them. FB Said: Exactly. And see my notes in MF's new thread, about the simple solution.

A different BP, Baden-Powell, was an ambidextrous artist born Robert Stephenson Smyth Powell.  He's the originator of the Boy Scouts.  I find it curious that verse 6 echoes Robert Lewis Stevenson as the name is so similar as this BP's name. The winged woman with arms crossed may be an expression of ambidexterity.  Baden-Powell spent much time in Africa. As for a maritime reference that fits SC, i cant find much of anything.  The most famous link to the scouts is The four Chaplains of the Dorchester sinking. I noticed Sumpter the city was incorporated on Jan. 1st, 1800, the birth of the 19th century?

I'm low seeing if the tower outline is more of a Calhoun monument reference that takes us to the ferry at the end of Calhoun St.

low?

maltedfalcon wrote:: low? Nevermind, i dont recall exactly whatever it was the ipad autocorrect deleted.  I'll have to take greater care when posting from that device.

The chain holding the Sumter-clock looks like the path the ferry takes from either charleston or mt. Pleasant to Sumter.

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421, that reminds me more of a bridge.  Maybe a bridge that has a traffic jam once in awhile.  That plays into a Jamboree theory i have about the boyscouts.  Which bridges in Charleston have daily traffic jams?  Any of them raise or lift?

in the summer time and through most of the fall, you can crawl the bridge to folly faster than you can drive. although, many times I did this because i simply couldn't drive... mmm... beer.

I have no particular favorite or preference for what might be ascribed as the "bar that binds", so I hope it's not taken as a distraction to suggest it be added to the list.  Things I've gathered as options are, Charleston Law or Court Any of the prominent sand bars in the area including distant ones involved with stopping or wrecking a historically significant ship. An Earthquake pin to stabilize built structures, An Anchor A Locked Gate ..any others?

Folly looks like a great place to dig...but where?

I am not proposing a site on Folly at all.. I still think downtown Charleston somewhere.

After realising that the Pirate House with the Stevenson plaque is in Georgia rather than Charleston, I'm a bit dubious about this verse/image combo. I prefer V5.

I like how this image evokes thoughts of wild Africa and honoring the spirit of freedom and grace.  The daisy and the chain seem like a clue that there will be more than a few links to work through.

This Boston stuff about using midnight as a clue for a 12th stone, and possible reference to "...the Age's harvest reaping", reminded me of the curious litany entry for Charleston: Bright harvest of the midnight rock Midnight rock, 12 stone, 12 St...? (Common abbreviation in Europe.) Station Twelve St...(continues up past the church, circled with Moultrie flag sign...) The "twelfth station" was the crucifixion... Lane Two twenty two Station 22 and Station 22-and-a-half St You'll see an arc of lights Lighthouse, rotating light / arclight Weight and roots extended Together saved the site Of granite walls Wind swept halls Citadel in the night Reminiscent of Moultrie, though I think there might be stuff in there we haven't fully unravelled yet. Before reaching Moultrie, you pass Citadel St... A wingless bird ascended Born of ancient dreams of flight ...while proceeding west along Poe Ave... Beneath the only standing member Of a forest To the south Which leads you to Osceola..."to the south" might be a repetition of "beneath"... White stone closest White stone "close st"...? White stone, white st, street, saint...? (Stella Maris, Mary) At twelve paces Osceola fought a number of duels, eg see here . From the west side Get permission To dig out Could be that rock, or near the church, or by the beach...I reckon it's somewhere around here though. I expect we've overlooked some Poe references or quotations. Some of this stuff about windswept halls and citadels in the night sounds like it might come from Poe. http://literarytraveler.com/literary_ar ... sland.aspx He seems to be central to this puzzle, with Poe Ave leading from "Lane two twenty two" to Moultrie. The Edgar Allan Poe library is on L'on (Lion) a couple of blocks from the lighthouse. He was stationed at Moultrie, wrote about balloons, treasure and gold skulls , also a book called The Casque of Amontillado . Get permission to dig out I'm also fairly dubious about BP burying a casque somewhere (presumably without permission) and then telling you to go see some official to allow you to remove it again. It doesn't seem to fit the style of this book. It seems more likely to be some kind of cryptic clue to me. Since BP had planned a sequel with an explanation of any solved casques, he might have intended crossover clues like "midnight rock" to emerge gradually.

Unknown: It seemed to have been constructed  for  no  especial  use  within  itself,  but  formed merely the interval between two of the colossal supports of the roof  of  the catacombs,  and was  backed  by  one of  their circumscribing walls of solid granite. It  was in vain that Fortunato, uplifting his  dull torch, endeavored to pry into the depth of the recess. Its termination the feeble light did not enable us to see. Unknown: Withdrawing the key I stepped back from the recess. “Pass  your  hand,”  I  said,  “over  the  wall;  you cannot help feeling the nitre. Indeed it is very damp. Once more let me implore you to return." ...aha, Poe's short story "The Casque of Amontillado" (also called "The Cask of Amontillado") has "walls of solid granite". http://www.ibiblio.org/ebooks/Poe/Amontillado.pdf (Fortunato gets chained there and left to die.) (Like I say, the Edgar Allan Poe library is near the lighthouse, so the verse might still be talking about that "site" at this point.)

This clinches it for me. Right next to that white thing I'm always on about, next to the church (yeah, yeah)... ...this. The trail follows Poe Ave from the lighthouse to Moultrie. My reading of those final lines is: Beneath the only standing member Of a forest To the south Just south of the church on Osceola White stone closest At twelve paces This white stone thing, close to St Mary, Stella Maris, at the junction of Station Twelve St ("at 12") and Osceola ("at twelve paces", duellist), also confirmed by 12 and 04 on the clock (it's 1204 Middle St) and star. Trail begins with a lighthouse and ends at Stella Maris, the beginning and ending tied up by the "star of the sea" theme. From the west side Get permission To dig out. Casque is buried on the west side (where those wires are), "permission" probably being a pun on "by mission" (church) or something.

Noting compass magnetic declination for Charleston, SC in 1980 is 4 degrees 26 minutes West. Here is the Polyphemus moth,

Here is the Clash of the Titans (1981) Polyphemus Anyone willing to see the parallel between this Greek mythological figure from an epic poem Odyssey. I like the idea that Odysseus is "like a lion", hiding behind a twig of a branch to implore Naussica for some clothing. http://www.jstor.org/pss/4352235

I plugged in the sun position for May 1st (Historical Memorial Day) in 1980 at 4pm and the shadow on the smaller lighthouse lands across the path about 50 feet from the center of the structure.  Not sure about any of this, but I thought it looked similar to the 4pm on the sumter-clock

Here's the PDF summary of my Sullivan's Island theory. Sullivan's Island theory