The gnome is most likely preiss’ caricature and his hair reads Byron.
Also there are 14 fence posts and 14 fence panels; one post is between the pages (post finial half shown).

From my book,
https://i.imgur.com/DR8luph.jpg
Link – Large!

Unknown

Unknown:
From my book…

Still 14. And still no idea how this is supposed to help. I’ll add it to the list.

Euhirudinea

And still no idea how this is supposed to help.

It does, sort of; as a sample puzzle perhaps.
Consider these two pages as a tribute or homage to the book contributors.
So consider the text as the “verse” and in combo with the image to solve the puzzle.
There are 9 contributor’s names including JJP and BP.
JJp’s initials are on the image already and BP, the head cheese in the hair and perhaps the gnome’s face; I see a resemblance.
So that leaves with 7 names.
There are 7 sets of book-end finials on the fence in form of mirrored D and D [ ᗡ D ] for 1st and last name initials.
For example, the 1st panel is SK for Sean Kelly and so on…
NO CLUES FOR BOSTON!

Choice

It does, sort of; as a sample puzzle perhaps.
Consider these two pages as a tribute or homage to the book contributors.
So consider the text as the “verse” and in combo with the image to solve the puzzle.
There are 9 contributor’s names including JJP and BP.
JJp’s initials are on the image already and BP, the head cheese in the hair and perhaps the gnome’s face; I see a resemblance.
So that leaves with 7 names.
There are 7 sets of book-end finials on the fence in form of mirrored D and D [ ᗡ D ] for 1st and last name initials.
For example, the 1st panel is SK for Sean Kelly and so on…
NO CLUES FOR BOSTON!

To clarify, and I’m not sure any of this matters AT ALL, but this is how I was approaching it:
The first panel(left) has that serpent sort of shape indicative of the SF puzzle. The last panel (13? 14?) helps ME with NY. I say me, bc we all have our own ideas.
Next, I was searching for sections of park maps that had roads/paths, etc. that matched up with the scrollwork in the fence. While I did find things that matched up, we all know that we can enlarge and reduce just about anything we want to get it to work. I abandoned the entire idea but there ARE maps there.
Good luck!

Interesting. The next question that will be asked, as per your perspective, could you match up anything that would fit for Cleveland/Chicago?

…well, congrats to the people who managed to find this thing online. I’ve spent the last hour messing with Kanji OCR and Japanese websites, and no trace, so I guess I’ll just have to wait patiently for the idiot’s version…

WhiteRabbit

This book is the most exciting breakthrough in years Goldengate. Kudos for sharing this stuff.

Yes, super exciting! Thank your contact for us!

Very interesting find! Curious to know if there might also be any other foreign language editions hiding out there in the world…

…yeah, GG did offer this glimpse of a possible Spanish/Mexican edition…
I tried dropping a note to John Colby earlier, though I dunno whether he’d have access to that information, or has set up spam filters for emails containing the word “secret”…

Yow…I’m late to see this thread, but, awesome find, GG!
Looking forward (patiently) to see more of the translations of the ‘hints’ that were inserted…
(I work for a Japanese company. Coworkers would get a kick outta this…then ask me for a market study, budget report or biz plan. )
=D

Unknown

Unknown:
already we can see the Japanese book had colloquial glossaries that versions sold in america did not

As you said, because native English speakers didn’t need them. We all know what words like “birch”, “hush”, and “hearth” mean, we just don’t know in what context(s) Preiss was using them in the Verses. So while it’s a pretty sure bet that the glossaries in the Japanese version might have helped a reader understand the text a little better, I seriously doubt that they would have helped anyone solve the puzzles.
I don’t think translating the Japanese edition back to English is going to provide any clarity on the hunt, but it will no doubt give us one more thing to argue about.

How literal can these translations be taken? “High posts are three” translated ‘hint’ says posts are wooden. Could the translation just as well said ‘post made of metal?’ As an English speaker I would say without a doubt that we would be looking for something made of wood. In Japan would it be used as an adjective to say look for an a physical post an not something conceptual like a job post? Or should we be looking for posts made of wood?
Sutro tower is made of steel…new can of worms.

jayheedan1

How literal can these translations be taken? “High posts are three” translated ‘hint’ says posts are wooden. Could the translation just as well said ‘post made of metal?’ As an English speaker I would say without a doubt that we would be looking for something made of wood. In Japan would it be used as an adjective to say look for an a physical post an not something conceptual like a job post? Or should we be looking for posts made of wood?
Sutro tower is made of steel…new can of worms.

It’s really going to depend on what the rest of the book says. Whether or not the translator actually spoke to byron.
The hint for Roanoke says something to the effect of “I cant give you a hint because a hit would basically be the answer”
So at this point I’m leaning towards taking these hints verbatim.

Goldengate

L5
Education and Justice
It is ambiguous by this alone, but it will make it easier to understand put “can be seen not for” after “education and justice”.
What(Where?) is it like to see “education and justice” not far away?
Discuss…

As you went to the wharf sign posts after reading the translation, This new lens of information made me go to Alcatraz or a place where it can be seen.

burnstyle

Some of these illustrations resemble illustrations in some of Byron’s other works as well… I wonder if there is a reason for that, or if it’s just generic clip art.

None of the new art is by the original book’s artists. I suspect they were all out of contract by then and would have had no interest or time to make new illustrations to decorate the new pages. It’s just fantasy-style art, probably supplied by the Japanese publisher but subject to Byron’s approval.
I wonder if the image quality is equal to, worse than, or better than the English version.

Unknown

Unknown:
As you went to the wharf sign posts after reading the translation

Nobody reading the translation was going anywhere. Not for a prize worth less than $1K.

Euhirudinea

I don’t think translating the Japanese edition back to English is going to provide any clarity on the hunt, but it will no doubt give us one more thing to argue about.

Goldengate

Verse 1
< KEY WORDS >
L1 north
L2 Cold
L3 south
L6 Nine eight two
L7 wood
L8 No Lion fears
L9 the water veers
L10 Small of scale
L13 four alike
L14 Small, split
L15 Three winged and slight
L21 There’s the spout!
L22 A whistle sounds.
< HINTS >
L9
“the water veers”
Water that spouts to the sky.
Is it a fountain in the park? or fountain in the nature?
L10
“Small of scale small” means of course small, but “scale”?
We say “scale model” in Japan, too.
L16-17
“what we take to be Our strongest tower of delight”
This is a quote from a famous book.
Well, what is the famous book?
L21
“There’s the spout!”
This seems to correspond to the “the water veers” on the 9th line, but of course the meaning is naturally ….

I guess we should go ahead and start the argument or maybe a healthy debate?
The translated verse 1 of Japanese “hint” that was already posted tells us of probably the most important aspects of the verse even stating that some of the lines were a direct quote from a famous book. Of course we know it was from Pierre by Herman Melville but if we hadn’t that would be a huge clue what to look for. I for one am most interested in seeing if it mentions anything about him of Hard words in 3 vols…

Unknown

Unknown:
I think it’s safe to say for most seeking this treasure, it’s not about the money.

That may be true today, but I was talking about someone reading the book in Japan 35 years ago. They would have looked at solving the puzzle in a completely different way than I do in 2018. So, while I agree with your statement above, it is irrelevant to the point I was making.

Spiritr

guys, maybe it does contain some infos that weren’t mentioned before
but just because you don’t understand, can you stop saying it as hint hint hint hint ….
and then in times…other people will follow by calling this a hint page.
NO! This page is translation of words for kids, it’s really important to have these translation pages, it is NOT a HINT page.

Spiritr you are not understanding.
in the past we have had weeks long discussions on things like:
does the word Sweet indicate taste? or smell? or disposition? or is it a analogy or metaphor.
To have a glossary that in this case indicates Sweet is the word meaning a sweet taste. is actually an incredible hint that eliminates many possible wrong paths.
So yes its a glossary, it adds clarification and Yes that means it’s a great hint page.
That being said to be valid we need to find out if the translator actually vetted the translations with BP or it was just a standard japanese publishing method that they do in every translated book.

Euhirudinea

That may be true today, but I was talking about someone reading the book in Japan 35 years ago. They would have looked at solving the puzzle in a completely different way than I do in 2018. So, while I agree with your statement above, it is irrelevant to the point I was making.

From day one it hasn’t been about the money or the gem. anybody who could do math realized the gem’s individually aren’t really worth a lot.
It has always been about the challenge of the puzzle.
I have always said, if I had to give up the key to get the gem, I would keep the key.

Unknown

Unknown:
It has always been about the challenge of the puzzle.

We accept challenges based in part on our perceived ability to meet them, or at the very least, come close trying. Once it becomes clear that we are never going to succeed (and sometimes, that never is fully resolved), a sane person generally gives up. You (and I) accepted BP’s challenge because we thought we could succeed where others failed, and we continue on with the puzzle for the same reason. There are a few more like us Matt (my guess is a couple dozen, at most), but I think it’s safe to say that there weren’t any in Japan in 1983. Which, again, is what I was talking about in my reply to Jay.

Maybe she could fast track it and just take a good close up picture of each page and people here on the boards can translate some of them as well that way the burden isn’t all on her.

Goldengate

words

Yo, I snagged one of these.
If for some reason you cant get your own, I will scan the one I receive, make the pages available here then send it to you if you would like.

I’ve linked a side by side of an image 12 detail:
https://imgur.com/a/LLfxD7V
The Japanese book has the image printed larger and parts near the bottom of the American image have been cropped out. I circled something that doesn’t appear in the American image. There’s more, too, but hard to make out just now.

Goldengate

Hey! That would be awesome — truly!

No problem. Thank you for sharing this with everyone. You could have easily kept it to yourself.
Hopefully now we can make sure that everyone can benefit from it.

WhiteRabbit

…I wanna see the notes on the Boston verse…

Spiritr,
Under the monkey fairy with flower it’s says something about the no lion fears clue. When I run it through the translator It comes out something like this can you clean it up?
Hint: With regard to the third poem, there is a fear that the hint will be an answer because it is there · It is a pity that the hint is obtained
The image doesn’t allow for all the characters/words to be scanned I think is part of the issue.

Some of these illustrations resemble illustrations in some of Byron’s other works as well… I wonder if there is a reason for that, or if it’s just generic clip art.

karleen

I’ve linked a side by side of an image 12 detail:
https://imgur.com/a/LLfxD7V
The Japanese book has the image printed larger and parts near the bottom of the American image have been cropped out. I circled something that doesn’t appear in the American image. There’s more, too, but hard to make out just now.

your arrows aren’t lined up
draw a line straight down from the gem and you will see you are off to one side.
it looks the same just darker because of the scan quality

maltedfalcon

your arrows aren’t lined up
draw a line straight down from the gem and you will see you are off to one side.
it looks the same just darker because of the scan quality

Matt, I was following the shapes in the water but I will try again to confirm.

jayheedan1

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The translated verse 1 of Japanese “hint” that was already posted tells us of probably the most important aspects of the verse even stating that some of the lines were a direct quote from a famous book. Of course we know it was from Pierre by Herman Melville but if we hadn’t that would be a huge clue what to look for. I for one am most interested in seeing if it mentions anything about him of Hard words in 3 vols…

guys, maybe it does contain some infos that weren’t mentioned before
but just because you don’t understand, can you stop saying it as hint hint hint hint ….
and then in times…other people will follow by calling this a hint page.
NO! This page is translation of words for kids, it’s really important to have these translation pages, it is NOT a HINT page.
Japanese have East West South, but they don’t called it North like we do, North works like a adjective in Japanese language, so by seeing North of, even some adults would have no idea what it is
they call their North by from south, toward up, something like that
if you understand the language, it’s beautiful the way this works.

Fenix

Start a go fund me and we can help make it worth her while.

fund me and ill tell you all the houston answers lol

the wood no lion fears is the african shaped woods

Here is an overlap of the water area from i12, outlined in black, overlayed onto japanese i12. The curve of the open page would account for the width and it appears there’s not as much cut off from the bottom as I had originally thought.
https://imgur.com/a/fLTPXjw

Unknown

Unknown:
Why have you REALLY logged hundreds of posts over several years?

Dearest Golden Gate,
I have been a member of this forum for 8.5 years. I have, including this one, 744 posts under this handle, which is the only one I have ever used. Most of them are on topic and respectful. And none of them are edited. I say what I mean and I stand behind what I say. I’m sorry if any of that bothers you, but you always have the option of not reading what I write, or putting me on ignore altogether. You, on the other hand, have almost 300 posts in the last six months, and fully half, if not more, are you attacking Josh in some manner. That’s a fact. And now, you are coming after me? And think that I will answer any of your questions? Please.

Dear Renovator,
Try not to be too logical on the boards or present any information that might make someone and certain outside groups less authoritative. The intent of posts on the board should be to obfuscate and drive traffic elsewhere, not to keep this board alive or release anything new. You have been engaging in wrong think. Do not post information that is meaningful, and definitely do not respond to anything that might be meaningful. Is it not becoming apparent? They want you removed.

This book is the most exciting breakthrough in years Goldengate. Kudos for sharing this stuff.

Goldengate

The air smells sweetly, let’s think about idiomatically as “the air like…”

…does your contact have any thoughts on what this idiomatic Japanese phrase might be…?

Unknown

Unknown:
Try not to be too logical on the boards or present any information that might make someone and certain outside groups less authoritative.

Dearest 421,
This is not something that anyone can complain (and complain and complain) to Mark Parry about. At least, I don’t think they can. We’ll see.
Peace.

you can start from two, maybe 3 spots (if you include the outskirts)…school gets you to lake park or lincoln park, depending on which way you go with the clues at the one juncture, but in lincoln park you find there isnt a large staircase (only the kids waterslide)…in lake park there are two, but he tells you where to go via foreshadowing when he takes you to mitchell mansion (i tried to get a tour, they ignored me lol)…but they have a grand staircase adorned with lions. and thats where you find the awning in the cape (also takes you to pabst mansion). you go around and climb the grand staircase twice (like a juggler juggles balls), which is the trick…otherwise you try to do what you do in another puzzle and its a trick. but also a hint. the fifth, in at least one sense is most definitely a musical fifth. in this puzzle.

ive already explained the whole of this verse, but most specifically the first half, starting from the school. (downer college) he uses that clue to refer to several streets. downer, kenwood, wells.

atdreamer2112

I looked into it a while back. I think that’s actually a Spanish edition of Dragonworld.

I agree, I came to the same conclusion back then. It’s called: EL ÚLTIMO DRAGÓN – de Michael Reaves, Byron Preiss
it is also about Simbala, like in WhiteRabbit’s picture
https://tienda.cyberdark.net/el-ultimo-dragon-n455.html
here are some images
(the layout looks a bit different but that’s probably different for every edition.)
https://www.todocoleccion.net/libros-segunda-mano-ciencia-ficcion-fantasia/el-ultimo-dragon-byron-preiss-michael-reaves-circulo-lectores~x65436485

Brian Zinn wrote in the Cleveland thread that he asked Priess about the “rest” of the book
as Priess thumbed through it
Priess said there was no additional info/clues in the rest of the book besides the verse and images
But I agree with your assessment. The whole book does seem TOO coordinated and the additional illustrations and even some of the descriptions

Funny this thread started… couple of days ago, feeling at a dead end I felt there maybe clues eleswhere and staryed looking at the Russian Devil Dogs that settled in SC.
I think this is a good avenue for everyone to look at.
Regards,
Mac

So we have 82 in the book and 222.
Might there be a number connection?
Any other weird numbers in the book? 21? 15? 1913?

…just to repeat what I posted at SA…
…the book contains a story about the original fair-folk which was presumably written by BP, then the images/verses, and then a series of entries on modern fair-folk by National Lampoon types. The idea that parts of the book are irrelevant starts with a comment from Egbert:
“B.Preiss was a very good poker player, and was not giving out any hints about any of the other locations. However, he did confirm my theory that the countries of origin of the faeries do connect with the sites. He also said that the pages following the verses (which make up the bulk of the book) have NO connection with the puzzles, and contain no additional clues.”
The first part can be found
here
, the last part isn’t available online. The first part def contains clues (eg a reference to the Fountain of Youth, and all the countries of origin stuff), none have been demonstrated in the last part so far AFAIK (though the 982 train has been noted). But it wouldn’t do any harm to keep an eye open.

I think Pries would confirm cities where casques were buried but not much else
So I think he confirmed St Louis to Johann
In the back of the book is “Spirit of St Louis” where Priess useless the word dauntless to describe Lindberg
I have only come across the word Dauntless twice in my life. both in this book
maybe just a coincidence

Doghousereiley

Brian Zinn wrote in the Cleveland thread that he asked Priess about the “rest” of the book
as Priess thumbed through it
Priess said there was no additional info/clues in the rest of the book besides the verse and images
But I agree with your assessment. The whole book does seem TOO coordinated and the additional illustrations and even some of the descriptions

Let go over the whole book with Chicago and Cleveland in mind. If we find solid eggs for these then it likely the rest will as well.

…either way, if we’re gathering non-image/verse clues about the puzzles in this thread, here’s something from the English section of the introduction FWIW.
In England, the erstwhile high-honored court of the Fairy Queen was now much diminished. Her Majesty, Mab Herself, and many of Her subjects, Pixies, Hobgoblins, and Boggarts alike, had shrunk to tiny size. Robin had been exiled to Sherwood. Right gladly did all that company hear the news of a haven in the West, and right swiftly they embarked therefor…Robin and the Pixies of Britain gave lessons in archery to the Catawba braves, who passed their skill in bowmanship along to the neighboring Cherokee and Teton Sioux. Leshy and Vily, from the forests of Muscovy, instructed the Mohicans in woodcraft, teaching them to move silently and invisibly through the trees – a skill which (learned authorities say) the Mohicans possessed to the Last.
There’s a statue of Queen Elizabeth in the Elizabethan Garden, and the inscription about the “dark forest” was written by Fletcher (arrowmaker). Roanoke has a “Sherwood Dr” and “Maid Marian Ct”. There seems to be various “Midgett” connections, eg
Neva Midgett House
, and
Jule’s Park
which was established by “Guy Midgett”, but I don’t have dates for any of the MIdgett stuff and it may all be too recent. Nowhere near the Elizabethan Gardens either.
(Some of the book’s capitalisations are baffling. Why “Last”? Last of the Mohicans? Random trivia: another of Fenimore’s novels,
The Spy
, features a horse called Roanoke.)

Wow. That is a cool observation
I like the Energenii. It says they came from Djinns that came from OPEC nations. I thought it appropriate that the OIL connection is to Houston, a major city for Oil/Energy business
and the Capitalizations
isle of B? “of the v”. “man of oz”
I also wonder about numbers. in one it is 92 stairs the grand 200 walk 100 paces. yet you pass a proud “fifth”
or Hard word of 3 vols.? these are the only times Pries uses numbers instead of spelling out the word

Looks like You’re well steeped in the madness.
Carry on.

Page 83 in the image there is a can of 222 spackling compound. I don’t understand if there is any connection at all to the verse, it’s just something that always stood out to me when reading through the book.
Might be something similar to the 82 train on page 199.

Good call on the can of 222. My guess is that Preiss really wanted to liven things up a bit. Out of the twelve locations he chose a handful of selections, or maybe just one for each casque location/puzzle and with those he “exaggerated” them in some of the photographs or with a small edit to the Fair Folk in the field guide after once his hired writers completed their work.
Without a doubt, it would be expected that people would latch on strongly to particular standouts in the verse, nine eight two, two twenty-two, etc.

erexere

Good call on the can of 222. My guess is that Preiss really wanted to liven things up a bit. Out of the twelve locations he chose a handful of selections, or maybe just one for each casque location/puzzle and with those he “exaggerated” them in some of the photographs or with a small edit to the Fair Folk in the field guide after once his hired writers completed their work.
Without a doubt, it would be expected that people would latch on strongly to particular standouts in the verse, nine eight two, two twenty-two, etc.

Yes. Going through them now. There are clues, just wondering on the sequence though. It almost seems that the locations have to be determined first, then we look at The Field Guide for reinforcement or additional clues.

I believe that there are eggs in the book and if Priess said that there are NO connections (being a poker player) then to me I would not take his word for that direction. I would look at it as if he said, I am not telling you that there is, but you should look on your own…. He is not going to tell you what you want to hear in a book that has a buried treasure that he spent time and money to create. That would be way to easy. I also believe that there are no coincidence in the puzzle. This puzzle was well crafted to have random things inserted into the puzzle. I have found this in the SF puzzle on two pages. The first page is under Corporate Giants and in the text it refers to Karl Marx. In GGP there is a meadow named Marx meadow, (Pg 194 of the book) the exact spelling, coincidence?? I don’t think so. On Pg 89 there is a picture of Monte Irvin in a Giants uniform, Which would imply baseball to the SF puzzle. These are hints to locations within the specific puzzles, they are not connect to the verse, but they point you in a direction of interest.
Excellent Thread GG!!!!!

I would totally jump into a rabbits hole called “Mark’s Meadow” if I had reason to believe that worked best for Twain’s object of interest.

I also think that maybe on the harder puzzles the left hints in the book and not all puzzles have theses hints??

The book proper contains various sections. If you already own the book you are familiar. If you do not own the full book, then either purchase it or download it in the Kindle edition. I purchased the Kindle Edition last night. Some of the illustrations in the Verses section have not been included, but the rest of the book appears to be intact.
In the Section titled A Field Guide to the Fair People of the New World, there are nine (9) divisions or classes of Fair Folk. Under each division are a handful of characters (75 in all I believe) that are loosely based on the concept of fairies, trolls and such. They are completely fabricated apart from the classical depictions of ethereal creatures like gnomes and fays. I believe most of the writing was done by the National Lampoon writers that Preiss hired for this project, so there is a heavy dose of snarky humor built into the descriptions.
I decided to focus on one creature in particular, The Job Goblin (Opus pocus) listed under the Economic classification. I believe this appears on page 198 in the printed book. This is partly because of Bingo’s observation regarding the train. The image included with the Job Goblin screams Houston to me. The guys in the image are almost certainly oil field workers. The helmets are very distinctive and they still look like that today. In the early 80s the oil and gas business was going through an enormous boom time primarily due to the OPEC oil crisis of the 70s but also from government subsidies. The passage talks about:
“The Job Goblin is despised and feared by management, who feel that they are the only ones entitled to a good day’s pay for spending the afternoon digesting an
exotic, tax-deductible lunch
.
Kelly, Sean; Mann, Ted. The Secret (Kindle Locations 2237-2238). ibooks. Kindle Edition.”
Most likely a reference to the overabundance of workers on the payroll eating bbq on the government’s dime.
In the image we can see a bunch of guys doing various activities at a job site, where they are supposed to be working. Playing cards, sleeping, drinking, eating lunch, reading the paper, etc. The very definition of wasteful spending and idleness as indicated in the passage.
Also in the passage there is mention of assembling spacecraft circuit boards and cardiac monitors. Both industries in Houston.
The passage also talks of climate issues. In 1980 Texas was in the midst of yet another devastating heat wave and drought. Crops failed, it was hot, everyone got tired from the heat. To the outsider, this could have appeared to be extreme laziness.
There are a few other pointers here, while stereotypical, nonetheless, “antique firearms for the walls of the den” and “cow patty” are definitely Texas references.
If we look at the image again, there are several other things that jump out at me. The obvious one is the 82 train. Very similar in design to the 982 train that used to sit in Hermann Park. The girder near the train is a big H. There are planes overhead, Houston has a major airport. The train is on a bridge that is under construction. Anyone that has been to Houston knows how Houston loves construction and bridges. Constant state of highway and overpass construction.The comic book one guy is reading is Hawkman, I haven’t looked into that angle, but the cover illustration on the comic sure looks like a plane or something over the Houston skyline.
There are more things that I haven’t gotten to yet that are hidden in the image, especially in the billowing clouds.
Now the question is whether there is any useful information toward solving the puzzle. That remains to be seen.
erexere made a good point. I wonder if there are twelve primary character passages that associate with the casque locations, and the rest are either fluff or contain some supporting evidence. I’ve already seen a few that relate to the various cities we are hunting in, but maybe that is super easy in retrospect, since we know that the was definitely a casque in Chicago and one in Cleveland.

I really like this proposal. Reading one of the articles from the time period and hearing BP’s words regarding some of the prose got me thinking that there has to be connections. Some people have dismissed the prose as somehow being disconnected fluff. I don’t see how that could be the case.
Now, here’s one issue. I don’t have the full book. I can easily remedy that, but most people will not read the entire book. I think the first task is to encourage people to read these passages in order to contribute, and possibly draw out some content that is relevant.
I think this will be a fantastic thread. Great idea!

I believe the thread you are looking for was called Litany of the Jewels. back maybe about 2007
Check with Erexere

Goldengate

Thank you Obi-Wan. Those are the Litany of Jewels I’m looking for.

Goldengate, I was under the impression you meant the book part, not the vanishing, the litany of the jewels, etc. I figure there’s some value in the prose part which I believe is called The Field Guide of the Fair People.
Can you clarify? In the meantime, I’m thinking of buying the Kindle Edition of the full book.

Good Thread GG.
Listening to the episode now

Have read through the entire book several times. The only clues that seemed directly related to the hunt was the obvious mention of the Fountain of Youth. “Letter from country of wonderstones hearth” and possibly “gnomes admire” are two examples of where you would need the book to interpret them. I believe there is also mention of the Chicago World’s Fair in the book which had some relationship to the Chicago location though I don’t recall exactly.

This is an interesting idea. I remember reading the book cover-to-cover when I got it last year, but I took a closer look this morning after hearing Wilhouse’s interview on the podcast. The illustrations are fun, but since those could be drawn anywhere my main focus was on the photographs. Although I’m not sure that these leads would actually be meant to be taken as clues, it’s at least *POSSIBLE* that some of these photos were taken on the same trips when the casques were being buried.
-Between the Title Page and the Contents, BP thanks a number of locations which were used in the photos.
-On P. 48, “The Verses”, there’s a color photo of all the Descendants gathered on a staircase. I don’t suppose that backdrop looks familiar to any sites?
-P.57 & 172, the Dixie Pixie is sitting on top of a road sign that reads “Dixie Highway.” I know there’s a Dixie Highway in FL, and I’m pretty sure other states have them as well.
-P.67, the Pill Grim is perched between statues on some kind of a monument.
-P.139, the Left Wing Symp and the Right Wing Trog are shown in front of the US Capitol building in DC.
-P.148, the Spirit of ’76 fairy looks like she’s riding a ferry boat, with the two WTC towers in the background.
-P. 178, one of the Tinker Belles is shown in the belfry of the Riverside Church, NYC, as well as in what looks like a Chinatown phone booth.
-P. 211-213, one of the Small Businessmen is standing on the steps of NY State Supreme Court Building in NYC.

JamesV

Although I’m not sure that these leads would actually be meant to be taken as clues, it’s at least *POSSIBLE* that some of these photos were taken on the same trips when the casques were being buried.

I was having the same thought. Does the photo on page 93 (The Boogie Man) look like it was taken from the deck of a house in a suburb of San Francisco? I haven’t tried to find a match, but the houses “made of ticky tacky” look a lot like familiar scenes of the area. My thinking is that BP visited people he knew in each city he buried his prizes, and some of his tourist shots became part of the narrative. These aren’t going to help us solve the riddles, but only reaffirm the cities.
(btw, I freely admit that i have NEVER read most of the book)

I had mentioned this before on one of NYC threads, but this might be the place to bring it up again. I am certainly not implying that this is the meaning of the verse or trying to beat a dead horse, just another thing that stuck in my head while re-reading the book a while ago.
Page 9, the first sentence of The Passage To The New World.
“The Northern seas are cold and cruel grey;”
Possible nod to the “grey giant”? Same Old English spelling of the word grey.

Choice

Title on page 88:
Team Spirit
Rosa petrus aka canis calidus
Rosa petrus:
Pete Rose (Italian interpretation)
Rose rock (Latin)
Pink rock
Canis calidus:
Hot dog (Latin)
page 89, NY Mets + SF Giants photo
viewtopic.php?f=32&t=1191&hilit=monte+irvin&start=117
viewtopic.php?f=32&t=7352&hilit=monte+irvin&start=1
Retired #20
http://sanfrancisco.giants.mlb.com/sf/h … umbers.jsp

What point are you making? It is Opening Day.

Prominent character in that image is the SF Giants.
I previously mentioned a statue in GGP with rose granite base that has interesting features like large spiral decorations and it’s at the entrance of the Hagiwara tea garden dr.
viewtopic.php?f=32&t=1094&start=1061

Choice

Prominent character in that image is the SF Giants.
I previously mentioned a statue in GGP with rose granite base that has interesting features like large spiral decorations and it’s at the entrance of the Hagiwara tea garden dr.
viewtopic.php?f=32&t=1094&start=1061

Total coincidence – I was looking at the same person – different location – “To the place the casque is kept”…..
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ … C05122.JPG

MERLIN

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:A_D … sh.djvu/63

casque is the word BP used to describe the box
it is a misuse but, since the book is a fantasy book, you get to make your own grammar rules.
a Casque is a medieval helmet, but in this case it is a variation of cask a small barrel not a box, a cask usually contains liquid but could also contain small items.
google translate can’t handle this word substitution so you will always see it translate that word to helmet. It was never meant to be associated with the word helmet.
a coffin or sarcophagus would be a box containing a body or body part.

So casque and casket and sarcophagus mean the same thing?

Choice

So casque and casket and sarcophagus mean the same thing?

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:A_D … sh.djvu/63

Finally got around to reading your work Kang, very well put together and nicely analyzed. Great job!

“Him of Hard words” – you would think it’s referring to a writer, but it’s difficult to find out who. When I asked Mr Preiss, he answered me with a riddle. “In order to arrive at this person, you must play with words, and the start is chicken.”
I theorized earlier in the Verse 10 thread that this line referred to Patrick Henry. This may give some support to the theory.
patrick
HEN
ry
viewtopic.php?f=32&t=728&p=138664&hilit=henry#p138664

Start chicken
spring chicken
Young

maltedfalcon

Start chicken
spring chicken
Young

Young who?

gManTexas

“Him of Hard words” – you would think it’s referring to a writer, but it’s difficult to find out who. When I asked Mr Preiss, he answered me with a riddle. “In order to arrive at this person, you must play with words, and the start is chicken.”
I theorized earlier in the Verse 10 thread that this line referred to Patrick Henry. This may give some support to the theory.
patrick
HEN
ry
viewtopic.php?f=32&t=728&p=138664&hilit=henry#p138664

Hamilton wrote to Rufus King in Federal Edition vol III about hard labor.
Rufus Thomas wrote a song in 1970 “Do The Funky Chicken”
Would that be your chicken connection?

gqchu

Hamilton wrote to Rufus King in Federal Edition vol III about hard labor.
Rufus Thomas wrote a song in 1970 “Do The Funky Chicken”
Would that be your chicken connection?

While that is comedic gold, sadly no.
Patrick Henry: Life, Correspondence, and Speeches (3 Volumes) by William Wirt Henry
Patrick Henry McCarren is the connection to Brooklyn.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_H._McCarren

gManTexas

While that is comedic gold, sadly no.

Some comedians are more successful than others.
Happy chicken hunting

gManTexas

Some comedians are more successful than others.

“
In order to arrive at this person…
“
twisting and distorting the meaning of a foreign language is already a joke to begin with.

There is a post here where this is discussed:
viewtopic.php?f=32&t=7258&p=145310&hilit=charles+dickens#p145310
Ch
arles D
icken
s wrote
Hard
Times consisting of
3
books.
However, I am not sure if anyone has related anything in NYC to Charles Dickens. Expert key-searchers for NYC may have more info on this.

I don’t see Dickens as being a good fit at all.

gManTexas

I don’t see Dickens as being a good fit at all.

I can’t speak to whether it is or isn’t. I was just bringing the reference forward in case someone missed it before or might find it useful.

the answer for this riddle of the hints in the Japanese book for verse 10 is
“curry chicken”

gManTexas

I don’t see Dickens as being a good fit at all.

Dickens is not Hard enough I guess…LOL

Spiritr

Dickens is not Hard enough I guess…LOL

Spiritr

finally got a chance to find out why my credit card was charged with so many unknown items from Japan, my sneaker bot never stop working….
should I stop it?

Hey Spiritr! Does that mean you have extra copies of the book? Would you be interested in selling me a copy?

JoshCornell

ive already explained the whole of this verse, but most specifically the first half, starting from the school. (downer college) he uses that clue to refer to several streets. downer, kenwood, wells.

Thanks I will give it a study. Thanks for your generosity with clues.

yea I have 7 copies, gave one away already
I’ll think about it

V5
“Lane” – When you translate this directly it refers to a small road, but Lane in this context is a proper noun. Is it a name of a mountain/river/town or…? (I’m guessing it’s not one of these.)
Using the new hints from the Japanese book I came up with this for verse 5 “Lane”.
Laurentian Lanes has been in Montreal since 1959 and the address is Two Twenty Two Montee de Liesse. The colors and pattern on the outside of the building are similar to the person’s hat in image 9. It’s right next to the Montreal International Airport so Preiss would have seen it.
Coincidence that it is a pronoun of Lane and has an address of Two Twenty Two? Is it our starting point?
Is it referring to the Laurentian Mountains, the Laurentian River, or….Laurentian Lanes.

Spiritr

yea I have 7 copies, gave one away already
I’ll think about it

Awesome! Let me know! Seriously! Thanks a bunch!

Forrest

Holy mackerel.
I just finished listening to the audio last night and I was sitting on the edge of my seat the entire time. I am blown away. I am completely shocked BP would give the Japanese translator so much information. Some hypotheses have been confirmed, and some destroyed!
Is there a chance you guys will be posting scans of any of these pages? I would like to show them to some native Japanese speakers I know to get a flew clarifications.

What audio? I’d love to heart it as well if it’s BP discussing the hunt.

Haarstick

What audio? I’d love to heart it as well if it’s BP discussing the hunt.

http://12treasures.com/finaltranslation.mp3

atdreamer2112

Awesome! Let me know! Seriously! Thanks a bunch!

If you want to see the book, Goldengate uploads a lot of pictures, you can pm Goldengate for those scans
also I believe there’s a full scan of the book on Facebook, I’m not sure.
You can try searching for it, I can’t because I don’t have FB account.

Does anyone know if the verses were numbered in the book? Was curious how they were assigned their #s.

MERLIN

Does anyone know if the verses were numbered in the book? Was curious how they were assigned their #s.

They weren’t numbered
It’s the order they appeared on the pages, left to right, top to bottom, one page after another.
Same with the images. The order they appeared in the book.
So, the last verse is verse 12, for example….etc.
(just a way for everybody to keep track of what’s being referenced.)

Thanks EZ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2whrQTHp7U

Unknown

Unknown:
things just get weirder and weirder around here

Madness…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpl4wkWMJtE
. Madness.

Wicket

I have to point out that I said there was info in the book and everyone laughed. I am not sure how much the info helps, it could just be confirmation.

You do realize that this thread is named “Clues in the book” and that it was created 2 days BEFORE you joined the site?
I doubt anyone was laughing at your statement. Possibly just your application of the information within the book.

Wicket

The paperback edition has 226 pages, supposedly there are no changes between 1982 and now. There are some for sale on alibris.com, and I’m sure places like eBay. Alibris has sales guarantees, so if you don’t like the copy, send it back.

Only the reprint, with all-too-dark images, is being sold on sites right now. Good if you want to have is and read the fairy stuff. Not good for image reproduction.
Someone put an original copy on ebay last month and it went for ~$600

NYCNative

Why?

catherwood

The suspense is killing me. Are you afraid to simply ask for the info out in the open? When you find someone with the original book (as I have), will you be requesting info via private message?
Yes and yes.

The Scottish Highland Fair folk sailed in their little boats, over the sea, beyond Skye……this is a reference to Robert Louis Stevenson’s poem “Sing me a song of a lad that is gone”. I know that some have found connections to RLS, I think SF is one.

Wicket

Because I am looking for a few pages of information

NYCNative

Because I am looking for a few pages of information

The suspense is killing me. Are you afraid to simply ask for the info out in the open? When you find someone with the original book (as I have), will you be requesting info via private message?

anus905

im the one who originally posted about gnomes and faeries, you can watch a readthrough of the book on youtube.
theres another book with the guy from the chicago image on the cover (same illustrator as faeries book)…you are sent to gnomes/faeries book via Dore Vase in San Fran.

I’m not clear on how the Bacchus/cherubs design of the Dore vase links to the Gnomes/Fairies book can you explain that. And just to clarify, where was the Dore Vase in 1981?

dore vase was where it is. answers in the name.

anus905

dore vase was where it is. answers in the name.

Well no – the vase was put there in may of 2005 here is a picture from the 80s of that area.
but regardless of that it was owned by the De Young , It was probably somewhere in Golden Gate park at that time, just not there. (unless it was on loan to another museum)
Still not clear on the Dore part… how does it lead to Gnomes/Fairies books…
Doré (disambiguation)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Doré may refer to:
Doré bullion, a semi-pure alloy of gold and silver
Lake Doré, a freshwater lake
Doré Records, an American record label
Doré v Barreau du Québec, a Supreme Court of Canada case
La Doré, a municipality of Quebec, Canada
People with the surname Doré:
Alexander Doré (1923-2002), British actor
André Doré (born 1958), former professional ice hockey player
Armand Doré (1824-1882), French painter
Daniel Doré (born 1970), former professional ice hockey right winger
Edna Doré (1921–2014), British actress
Gustave Doré (1832–1883), French artist, engraver, illustrator and sculptor
Jean Doré (born 1944), Canadian politician
Julien Doré (born 1982), French singer
Marie-Joseph-Camille Doré (born 1831), captain in the French navy
Pierre Doré (c. 1500-1559), also known as Auratus, French Dominican theologian

yea its in there^ and should be obvious…click on the right one. I mean, the answer to your question has been copied and pasted in your post lol…

it was always in the statue garden.

NYCNative

The suspense is killing me. Are you afraid to simply ask for the info out in the open? When you find someone with the original book (as I have), will you be requesting info via private message?
Yes and yes.

I have to point out that I said there was info in the book and everyone laughed. I am not sure how much the info helps, it could just be confirmation.
I did contact U of Maryland to see if I could get the 1982 edition tomorrow. As it turns out, the book is out and not due back until JULY! The librarian told me that staff and faculty could borrow books for that length of time. So very interesting.
I wrote to the LOC help desk to see how I can get a copy. I also wrote to the printer. I need to clarify if there really is a difference in the editions. The new book does not say “second edition”, so that could mean there were no changes.
Here is a description of the 1982 book from U of M. It says there are 224 pages, not 226. Not sure why there is a discrepancy.
https://1drv.ms/b/s!An5iiS4FlLlEgzUbfiiffjLsNi7v
I am curious myself. Worldcat.org lists locations of libraries that carry it. There may be one near you. If it is a university and you are not a student, you can go to your library and get the librarian to ask for an inter library loan.
I hope this helps the people looking for an original copy.

anus905

it was always in the statue garden.

Well no again, it was located in various places around golden gate park, and at some point was loaned out to another museum.
The area it is in now was not there prior to 2005 as a matter of fact the space between the two sphinxes was a walkway.

Wicket

The new book does not say “second edition”, so that could mean there were no changes.
Here is a description of the 1982 book from U of M. It says there are 224 pages, not 226. Not sure why there is a discrepancy.
https://1drv.ms/b/s!An5iiS4FlLlEgzUbfiiffjLsNi7v
I am curious myself. Worldcat.org lists locations of libraries that carry it. There may be one near you. If it is a university and you are not a student, you can go to your library and get the librarian to ask for an inter library loan.
I hope this helps the people looking for an original copy.

The paperback edition has 226 pages, supposedly there are no changes between 1982 and now. There are some for sale on alibris.com, and I’m sure places like eBay. Alibris has sales guarantees, so if you don’t like the copy, send it back.

pg 193 – Corporate Giants
Houston and Dallas are possibly boot prints where they have stomped. Each is but a man step for Giantkind.
Could possibly link Houston (space city/tranquility park) to “giant step, giant pole” verse lines.

jayheedan1

pg 193 – Corporate Giants
Houston and Dallas are possibly boot prints where they have stomped. Each is but a man step for Giantkind.
Could possibly link Houston (space city/tranquility park) to “giant step, giant pole” verse lines.

post the surrounding text and ill give ya the answer.

The entirety of the book has been put online. it is searchable and allows comments.
The text is not formatted the same way as the book (especially in the fair folks guide) and I’m told that may be important… so you may still need to buy a copy of the book.
Color versions of the fair folk photos are added when available.
https://12treasures.com/american-2/

Choice

— For Fair Folk’s peace — Goodness first.”

This is the part that is confusing or unknown – obviously the first part pair image/verse
but this part smacks of a specific instruction
do these lines somehow indicate an order or priority or method….?

maltedfalcon

This is the part that is confusing or unknown – obviously the first part pair image/verse
but this part smacks of a specific instruction
do these lines somehow indicate an order or priority or method….?

It means stop fighting in the forums!
Or, “for goodness sake!”

burnstyle~
How is the print quality of the colored image pages? Compare to N.America 1st edition.

That’s a question I hope to answer today if burnstyle doesn’t beat me to it.

Egbert

I think you’ve almost got it. The person who Burnstyle had on audio translating this gave a long explanation that it would involve game playing with words. So,
Ch………ickens
Charles Dickens

How does this go back to “the natives still speak”? His trips to the US? New York?

Euhirudinea

chicken leads you to egg, which leads you to omelet, which leads you to Hamlet, which has a lot of hard words in it. So we should be looking in Denmark*.

You don’t know what you are talking about.
Omelette obviously leads you to Othello, which was a game popular in the 80’s that uses black and white circles, which leads you to Michael Jackson and Neverland Ranch, which takes you to Highway 101 (ace is high) and back to San Francisco.
It’s simple, I don’t see why you can’t understand that!!!
Full explanation on the next podcast.

Madness

Unknown

Unknown:
Full explanation on the next podcast.

Will it be broadcast in Japanese?

milesstandish

I know this theory is not new but could the Verse 10 clue “start with chicken” be a confirmer that “him of Hard words” refers to Dickens?
Chicken – Dickens
Hard words – Hard Times (broken into 3 books)

“Play with the words…Start with chicken”
Chicken, chicken, bo-bicken, banana fanna, fo-ficken. Fee, fie, bo-bicken —-CHICKEN!
Naw I still get “chicken”

Euhirudinea

Will it be broadcast in Japanese?

Euhirudinea

I’m not sure we have much of anything until we find a logical connection between Charles Dickens, “He of Hard word”, and the puzzle. Otherwise, we can just Cornell the clue and say chicken leads you to egg, which leads you to omelet, which leads you to Hamlet, which has a lot of hard words in it. So we should be looking in Denmark*.
*There are 15 to choose from in North America.

Denmark….Wisconsin….?

How does Dickens get you to Gershwin?

Spiritr

burnstyle~
How is the print quality of the colored image pages? Compare to N.America 1st edition.

It’s better and worse.
The quality of the actual printing seems better. The American version images are comprised of small colors dots that make up the whole image. Japanese seems much tighter and richer than that.
The downside is they are a bit darker and much smaller.
I’m going to scan them soon.
I’m waiting for the jpop covers to come in. I have more of those so I dont mind destroying one.

Here are two scans created under identical conditions (600dpi). On the left is the original American edition; on the right is the Japanese edition. They have equally lousy quality, and appear to use the same printing technique. Due to the size difference, the original is still a little better than the Japanese.

Choice

Yup, it’s official. You are a troll. Did I misspell deux?
If you had some education in linguistics you would’ve recognized it. The whole image is middle eastern themed.
In fact the word in the rectangle may be الخنجرية

Oh, the irony…you’re sort of like a daft Cornell. Now I feel bad.

I liked the old Fenix better. At least you had the integrity to leave when you didn’t have anything to offer. Sad!
Talk about whining.
viewtopic.php?f=32&t=7381&p=147886&hilit=Fenix+was+the+originator#p147886

I am very sorry, but I didn’t answered to your question yet. According to me, it means this is only MY opinion until casques are found.
In my mind, I think that most of the latitude-longitude in 1982 were probably right and USELESS when there were enough other clues to find the right city. IMHO, it gives twice the same information what means (for me), it is a good way to throw away these figures when they check with “GPS” further informations…
This is an obvious way for an author to have searchers get read of the figures when they have, in their minds, understood them. BUT, who can say it won’t be useful in another way ?
To be frank, in other hunts, the figures were needed once more to hit the spot…. That is why, still IMHO, keep everything until the end of the story…
I happened to find a treasure with the same figures of longitude and latitude, just measuring how many meters, or paces, or steps, north and east (for example) of a place FOUND with the same numbers…

Meteor

I read all the forums, and found the best and the worst things one can read. Very funny, it is the same story worldwide ! Some people are definitely sure of their solutions, but unfortunately find just a big nothing everytime, and a few hunters (about a little ten of them in my country) grab all the treasures, but never claim they are 100 % sure of their solutions BEFORE having found ! As for me, I didn’t want to be disturbed all time, this is why I several times refused to be in the Guiness book of records : we have to be humbles in my opinion, and is it my fault if I am a member of the MENSA with a score of 148/150 ?

Hello – I have an IQ of 48 and have solved several puzzles including but not limited to, the ones found on happy meal boxes, kids menus at Big Boy, and how to fit a square peg into a round hole. I have also set records for drinking Guiness in many a pub but declined the accolades. In addition, the city I currently live in has bastardized the French language.
After reading my pedigree and understanding our similarities, do you now agree to provide me with your details of deciphering? I have a pretty shovel with your name on it.

Yeah? But do you drink wine with your pinky finger out?

Choice

But do you drink wine with your pinky finger out?

Nope, I just listen to you whine while drinking and wiping tears of laughter with my pinky.

Choice

Yeah? But do you drink wine with your pinky finger out?

https://static.wixstatic.com/media/e731 … d3098.webp

GoldenMartyr

Nope, I just listen to you whine while drinking and wiping tears of laughter with my pinky.

Are you gonna take your marbles and go home crying again Fenix?

Choice

Are you gonna take your marbles and go home crying again Fenix.douche?

Please don’t call me a Fenix.douche. Especially after you called in your buddy Merlin for reinforcement. You guys remind me of those slow spill gents….what were their names? Drawing pictures on puzzle images, pushing your agenda, not making progress. So, so similar.

Sure, but be careful to not get too abstract. Recently, I’ve been seeing people do slight alterations/look at it with one eye, etc, and marvel at how much they can see. That’s pareidolia, and is like saying “there’s a lot more hidden in that ice sculpture if you turn it into a puffy cloud.”

drunknerds

Sure, but be careful to not get too abstract. Recently, I’ve been seeing people do slight alterations/look at it with one eye, etc, and marvel at how much they can see. That’s pareidolia, and is like saying “there’s a lot more hidden in that ice sculpture if you turn it into a puffy cloud.”

I agree, DN. I suppose I should have stated that the inferior quality helps you see things.

karleen

I agree, DN. I suppose I should have stated that the inferior quality helps you see things.

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com … SX425_.jpg

I stick to seeing things that are there and not wish were there.
There are no micro messages. Just like there is no bible code.

MERLIN

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com … SX425_.jpg

It’s not a dating site Merlin.

https://pics.me.me/haters-gonna-hate-7876932.png

MERLIN

https://pics.me.me/haters-gonna-hate-7876932.png

Meeeooooowwwww!

VERY nice work, Kang!
Each puzzle location should be taking this into consideration. There’s bound to be a layer of lore for each, though there’s something tricky involved at some point which throws most people off track.
Texas for example, makes a lot of sense with respect to region but I could also believe the fair folk of Araby liked the backwards chronologically named Texas as it has a similarity to the word textiles. It’s as if the name of Texas was influenced by the fair folk who settled there previous.
It’s important to play with these ideas, and I’m sure using what’s in your doc is the correct approach.

NYCNative

…I can still not figure out a good system of pairing the verses with the image… any ideas?

Yes, that is a whole other thing and another thread. That was one of the topics of the Slow Spill thread, but while I understand the gist of the method described, I’m unclear on the details. More info here and here.
http://quest4treasure.co.uk/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=7325&start=90#p143771
http://quest4treasure.co.uk/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=7325&start=315#p144969

Kang

Yes, that is a whole other thing and another thread. That was one of the topics of the Slow Spill thread, but while I understand the gist of the method described, I’m unclear on the details. More info here and here.
http://quest4treasure.co.uk/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=7325&start=90#p143771
http://quest4treasure.co.uk/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=7325&start=315#p144969

As always, Gracias Kang.

Scrappy929

Moving this conversation from verse 5 to here…
I’ve spent some time playing around with them. Haven’t made any solid connection. There are a total of 39 numbers in the 12 verses; 29 cardinal numbers (1, 2, 3,..) & 10 ordinal numbers (1st, 2nd, 3rd,…). The ordinal numbers are spelled out in the verses though. I started with just using the cardinal numbers. Then I broke apart the multi-digit numbers into there basic form, i.e. 1913 to 1, 9, 1, 3, etc… Now I was only looking at single digit numbers 0-9. I did find a bit of a coincidence, but again, couldn’t find a link to anything:
The number 0 is used 6 times and the number 6 is used 0 times.
The number 1 is used 8 times and the number 8 is used 1 time.
The number 3 is used 9 times and the number 9 is used 3 times.
The number 2 is used 12 times.
Numbers 4, 5, & 7… nothing of note.
I’ve looked at trying to find other numbers in the images, hands on the clocks (if there were any), longitude/latitude numbers,… Yet just another puzzle within the puzzle. Not sure if we are supposed to literally combine all of the numbers from all of the verses at once, then find the matching images or if the corresponding verse has a number / numbers that you will find in the image. Verse 9 has no cardinal numbers only the ordinal number “first.”
Curious to know what work others have done regarding this clue.

see image vs pairings thread i rocked these all out pretty much.

Fenix

I can try to scan them when I have time. I believe Burnstyle may already be working on this though.

That would be amazing ! Thank you so much .

Anyone in the SF bay area have the original 1982 book?

Goldengate

For me, one of the most interesting points was the fact that there seems to be a numerical match between the verse and images… I’ll have to listen to that portion again and break out the book, but that’s what it seemed like he was getting at.
Thank you Burnstyle!

I spent a while trying to figure out if there was a connection between the numbers used in the verse and the images, and couldn’t find any. Most of the verses have numbers in them and they vary in format but I couldn’t find a correlation. I also tried other methods like adding up the numbers or seeing if the numbers matched things in the images – like the numbers of fingers (this was pretty interesting as the fingers are featured in quite a few of the images and are heavily manipulated).
I also considered/experimented with matching the numbers in some way to the months of the image (as opposed to just the image #). It would make sense if the birth flower/jewel/clock hints were a method of connection the verse to the image, since otherwise they seem somewhat superfluous to the hunt.
It could be something like encoding the zip codes in the verses instead of the latitude, or some other city identifier.
There must be some way of matching the two…

You did all the above and find NO correlation?
That mean you did it wrong

Honestly I’m surprised no one has looked at Davenport park. It’s only a couple blocks away.
You know as well as I do, that place has changed a lot over the years. The carousel wasn’t there then, neither was the fence. Parking lot is paved over now. Playground was redesigned. Now with the round-a-bout being put in, not sure how that is going to effect the park.

Some other potential text clues:
Werner von Brownie (Braun) – p 174
Is about the rocket man himself and talks about the first “rockets” created by the Chinese after they created gun powder.
Wingless bird ascended comes to mind
http://sen.com/features/history-of-rocketry-part-1
The gnome enclature – p 182
Talks about the changing and blending of languages with all the immigrants to America. The first lines of this story: “Infesting the ivied towers of the High Mandarin academese and the cluttering the gutters of the low slum argot (littered as they are with dropped g’s and h’s).
https://www.ling.upenn.edu/~jiahong/pub … ns/cn1.pdf
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/H-dropping
Seems an odd coincidence that it references Chinese (Mandarin) and g and h like in the San Fran Image thought to be a reference to great highway or Ghirardelli

the first one applies to sf so you must stay within the context of that puzzle.
von braun was brought to america and it was his technology that became nasa, and it was his technology that got us to the moon with apollo 11 (11 moons).

the second one is much more complex.
it firstly takes you to a book with this quote:
“They did not come together in a way, for instance, that high mandarins do on the whim of a beautiful dream of tomorrow”
you may not actually need the book…i can finish this, i just need a linguist first…i might be able to find out on my own, but im not certain on the term used.
googling this quote did not seem to help me (i found it via a guy who was trying to translate it to spanish from english, which is what you will find if you google it) so im not sure what book its from. finding the book would be a benefit.
–getting lucky in the digital age– lol
then it takes you to les miserables.
then to irish hill via a set of poems, while giving you loads of hints along the way.
then it gives you a ratio which is repeatedly given to you. and gives you a very important hint for the most important clue in the book (which i actually just figured out tonight).

Choice

If you read the line in it’s context it’s somewhat obvious that it’s meant for pairing of Image to Verse.
“A dozen paintings — Share the clues — Yet Fairy secrets — Come in twos — To sing a happy treasure song — To have a casque to you belong — Wed one picture — With one verse — For Fair Folk’s peace — Goodness first.”

I 100% agree with this, but so many people think it is more than that.
I’ve just never seen enough evidence to make it more complicated than: pair these together.

NYCNative

Interesting. The next question that will be asked, as per your perspective, could you match up anything that would fit for Cleveland/Chicago?

The question has been asked many times and the answer is: probably not, unless you enlarge/decrease maps to suit your own purpose. So, no.

Has anything of importance, even a good theory, came out of the fairy secrets comes in twos clue? Ex. NYC & SF?

karleen

The question has been asked many times and the answer is: probably not, unless you enlarge/decrease maps to suit your own purpose. So, no.

I don’t think there should be any issue with enlarging/decreasing the image…
I had a theory for SF that I felt was well thought out, and it included the tail of the dragon being a map, as you were indicating. It would essentially be walking paths and roads in GGP. When you overlaid it, it wasn’t to scale. The scale altered section-to-section. When you drew over a map it made a pretty un-artistic image. So I can see how JJP could warp the pathways to form a more uniform, better looking image.
To me, there is a fence section that resembles the serpent of SF, and another that resembles the scrollwork on the dress for Boston. Interestingly, the other panels seem to be slightly different. It’s not as if one panel was drawn and then repeated, or even the density or type or curves were repeated, which could suggest that the panels have some significance- either as author’s initials, or as map-like sections.
If you are looking for maps, maybe consider that the maps have been stylised and won’t directly overlay.
On a side note, we dug SF based on my map theory, and found nothing, so my theory could be completely wrong and useless. Take it or leave it!
Happy hunting.
XdM

NYCNative

Has anything of importance, even a good theory, came out of the fairy secrets comes in twos clue? Ex. NYC & SF?

There seems to be a bit of coincidence that ties cities together in pairs, but it only works for a few of them.
Methods repeat sometimes, but not always.
short answer: not really.

If you read the line in it’s context it’s somewhat obvious that it’s meant for pairing of Image to Verse.
“A dozen paintings — Share the clues — Yet Fairy secrets — Come in twos — To sing a happy treasure song — To have a casque to you belong — Wed one picture — With one verse — For Fair Folk’s peace — Goodness first.”

Goldengate

Steph — you don’t need to pay, this has already been handled. Please be patient. Spirtr, please do not bother the original translator there is already been progress being made with this. Relationships have been forged, please respect that. I’ve shared a lot with this group that otherwise would have not been seen, so I ask you to trust that all will be released correctly and in full. The last thing we want to do is bombard these good people— that is a sure fire way to shut them down — and me down as well. Please extend me that courtesy or I may stop posting additional materials in regard to this edition and others.

….I was gonna say I won’t.
I fully understand how you think and what your concerns might be, and your efforts on disclosing this oversea treasure, remember when you told me to shut up I immediately stop translating, because I respect you as the owner of this thread and if my disturbance is starting to causing irritation or annoyance I deeply apologize and I will just sit back and wait for your good news.

you need to edit as well

V salute for life!

…..it is
indeed hints from Byron himself
international calls from Japan to BP
M and B
in his word, think of some famous music composer’s name, who’s name starts with the letter M and B
and he even spells out the exact word Bryon told him, a politician

Thanks GG! I’m intrigued by the lengthy entry for “Lane” on P239, always a mystery, and would like to hear any ideas or translations for that.
*edit*
Looks like there could be a ton of valuable info here…we might finally discover who him of Hard word is…

mountain? river? street? or….?

Thanks Spiritr!

its sherbrooke and the racetrack (both) you go from one to the other…lane to lane…

he purposely skipping those really important ones

Sound from the sky
noise made by airplane

Iron horse??
Chicken???

ok I’m gonna be late for work but I’ll finish this one
of him of 3 vols:
From this line on-
the biggest question he asked and Byron told him…. riddle
it’s either like a riddle or as a riddle. Let me look into it more, and…
use the word “chicken” to figure out who he is/or use this riddle “chicken” to get in touch with this person.

forest_blight

Iron horse??
Chicken???

he said think of it like “iron horse” , in japanese it mean motorcycle
something…of/with an engine or machinery
that’s how this term should apply

Starting with chicken
start is chicken
the word “Starto” I have no idea what it mean, it’s like speaking english in Japanese, very common, but never seen this word before….”startowa”?
I’m 90% positive it meant Start with….but I might be wrong, for now.
so it’s not the author, he asked Byron and his answer is: To get this person , start is/with chicken, that’s what he/they said.

Spiritr

ok I’m gonna be late for work but I’ll finish this one
of him of 3 vols:
From this line on-
the biggest question he asked and Byron told him…. riddle
it’s either like a riddle or as a riddle. Let me look into it more, and…
use the word “chicken” to figure out who he is/or use this riddle “chicken” to get in touch with this person.

“Chicken” leads us to Col. Harland David Sanders and Kentucky.
Clearly.
;-]
/me patiently waits for info on stories, drum and leaf….

so…the 3 Vols is….KFC?

Spiritr

so…the 3 Vols is….KFC?

Well, it was a secret recipe….and led to regular, spicy and extra crispy….

they don’t call it KFC in Japan just so you know
OK, here is your drum:
here a bit difficult( it’s already very difficult to describe the whole story, this is even more difficult); that means the translator knew the answer but he don’t know how to describe it! I can’t believe he actually say it out like that…
think of the word “drum” as in percussion, you must think about a man’s name, and to achieve it, prepare one(relatively big one) dictionary, find the word/term “drum”, look for a point before and after, to achieve this person’s name. Treasure can’t be given out so easily….

You’ll often hear whirring sounds
Japanese note translates this detail: It seems to need human power to do it.
A bike?

the line goes like this:
Mr. Priess hints, a runs/walk there yourself is needed/necessary in order to hear it

Spiritr

they don’t call it KFC in Japan just so you know
OK, here is your drum:
here a bit difficult( it’s already very difficult to describe the whole story, this is even more difficult); that means the translator knew the answer but he don’t know how to describe it! I can’t believe he actually say it out like that…
think of the word “drum” as in percussion, you must think about a man’s name, and to achieve it, prepare one(relatively big one) dictionary, find the word/term “drum”, look for a point before and after, to achieve this person’s name. Treasure can’t be given out so easily….

Big drum = tympany………someone named Tim? Someone with Bass in their name?
I think I may know what the chicken thing is, but have to think on it some more.

how the f**k do i troll? YOU ARE THE TROLL. look at my posts vs yours. get a fucking life. you suck ass.

Google translate

“21th line On a proud, tall fifth What is the fifth such fifth (fifth)? I did not tell you. Mr. Priace felt as if I asked the name of various things in various places · Apparently it is a tree. Of course, I declare that it is a tree, so I declare it as 53, and I can not take responsibility as I am, but
I personally think that it may be a tree.
“

Google translate

“[Hidden meaning, or hint] 1st line the Three stories of Mitchell · Mitchell’s stories of the ninth poetry “, but this stories is a falsehood · Three stories of writer Mitchell · Is it Mitsuelu’s three storied buildings? Although I interpreted it as three stories, Mr. Priace (avoiding the statement) said “I strongly showed the 3 – storied building, so also a transliteration. I decided to take it there.”

Google Translate isn’t that bad .
This section, regarding the “tall proud fifth”, tells me that the guy who wrote the ‘hints’ spoke with Preiss…got some info….then, he guessed. (Notice the spelling of Preiss after translation….written phonetically, probably using Hiragana.)
Well, everybody for the first 2 to 3 decades thought it was a tree, too…
Looks like he’s just guessing (sometimes), offering up possibilities (in his opinion), without locking onto a certainty….all of that based on what was probably an interesting interview, where Preiss probably let
some
things slip. (I wrote, ‘probably’ let some stuff slip, based on the comment about the 3 stories and transliteration—-“Mr. Priace (avoiding the statement) said…”)
GG….I’m definitely looking forward to more translations from your friend. (I’m not sure that Google Translate will match that of somebody with Japanese as a native language.)

Sounds from the sky…..the last line,
This kind of sound can not be heard without using special machine
*I didn’t saw the ? after Airplane’s blasting sound, sorry I was in a hurry
it reads :
sound of the bird? sound of the wind? Airplane’s blasting sound?

karleen

Big drum = tympany………someone named Tim? Someone with Bass in their name?
I think I may know what the chicken thing is, but have to think on it some more.

point/dot before and after for the man’s name

Spiritr

they don’t call it KFC in Japan just so you know

クリスマスはケンタッキー
And, a Happy New Year….
I know that I once had a Teriyaki Burger at a McDonald’s in downtown Osaka….and, went to a Shakey’s Pizza place in Fukuoka that gave us a pizza that was loaded with corn. (We asked for ‘the works’. D’OH!!!)
But…I did not even see a KFC while there. (But, it wasn’t Christmas. So, I don’t feel like I missed out.)

Teriyaki Burger! The General Burger! OMG….Now you know why US’s McDonald sucks right?
yea because they call it something different, something like…suburban style chicken….

Mister EZ

This section, regarding the “tall proud fifth”, tells me that the guy who wrote the ‘hints’ spoke with Preiss…got some info….then, he guessed

Darn, looks like you’re right…we’ll have to try and separate them out…

Spiritr

mountain? river? street? or….?

Getting the hang of Google Translate now. So, the beginning of the entry for “Lane” is given as: “Lane used here is a proper noun. Speaking of proper nouns, it’s a name, but what is the name?” (Then something resembling the stuff about rivers etc that Spiritr suggested.)
Hard to know whether this is a hint or speculation though.

UnprovenFact

Maybe this has already been mentioned or explained. I don’t know. I have lately only been glossing over the posts… but… What is most interesting to me about these newly discovered translations of the verses is not so much the hints and explanations that have been added, it is the lines of the verses that have been removed – as if we don’t really need them.
*although I do like the hints and explanations quite a bit*

The pages posted are in a special addendum section of the Japanese edition that tells of ‘important lines’ from the verses. It also contains the full verses in the normal section of the book where the pictures are.
I could be wrong but that’s what it looked like to me.

Is the translator listed? Can we find him and interview him? Ask him what he remembers?

how much are you willing to pay? I have 2 phone numbers here but it’s….6am in Japan….
I was hoping to buy his recorded conversation with Byron I hope such tape still exists
and all of the rights he got for this book.