If this is a serious proposal, I have to ask: How many of your landmarks existed in 1982?  I would do the research, but I am firmly in the Florida camp on this one, sorry.

fox

Why is the 3rd found casque any different than the first 2 found?  You see, the 2 found casques DO lend support to finding more….let’s keep doing “basically” the same we did with the first 2.

I mean two things by that statement.  Both echo exactly what maltedfalcon has said.  We certainly learned what ideas worked with the first two casques and some of us seek to apply that to the others as a methodology.  Secondly, we increase our odds of having a correct verse image pairing with each successive proof of casque.  My point is to pep or bolster optimism so that we can all cheer for anyone’s efforts in hopes that the next discovery will either motivate us on the right path or present concrete evidence that we can avoid wasting time on a bogus pairing.  In other words, if someone proves the use of verse 5 leads to a casque in FOY, then I’m no longer going to waste my time looking in Oregon.  In my view it’s one or the other for one reason or another as I can’t confess to know exactly what BP was thinking or whether he used things that look like Oregon to me to throw us off a St. Augustine solve or if it was the other way around.
Let’s keep doing the “same” is a great method, but until we know for sure what leads to each casque individually it’s merely an assumption that the game doesn’t change.

Here’s my conceptual idea.  BP utilized photos from a series of Oregon tourist pamphlets.  He provided JJP with a mix of clippings, circled the various Rock features and asked that they match a rough outline of Florida.

Good job.  I think you’ve pegged it, and to think back in July I was trying to convince myself this looked like California instead of Florida.
You have a locational theory relative to the rock in the picture.  Any confirmation that such a rock ever actually existed?
Also, I have a general theory that somewhere in the Image there is an item which, if you could lay your hand on it, would actually put the casque under your feet.  Good candidates here might be the emblem on the flag or the equestrian Ponce (maybe on a plaque or something).  Ring a bell?
Pine

My theory is that the casques are by something large and unmovable, like a wall, so that if Preiss had to come back and get it he could find it immediately.
Large rocks, a wall, that sort of thing.
wilhouse

I did some work on the p to show what I was talking about the Buddha and the Indian in the p.  Cant figure out how to post pics here so I had to start a yahoo groups page and post a word file on there.  Its 981 kb so not to big.  Check it out and let me know what you think about it.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nothingspecial/files/
click on the pic 6 file

You did not need to create a new Yahoo!Group just for this.  We use the Armchair Treasure Hunt group — you’ll see the Cleveland photos from this very hunt there:
http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/arm … ing/files/
(I just don’t want to join yet another single-purpose group/mailing list.)

i’m glad you guys know the area, and stercox you must be pretty adventurous, i’m glad you’re still listening to us. i always thought the “bending branches” line was indicating the indians’ “bow and arrows”, or an “arrow” sign marker, telling which way to go.

ScientiaVeritasEtLux

hm, St. Augustine? Despite the SELOY connection I feel like this location doesn’t match with the long/lat coordinates in the picture, which are 82/83. I think this would imply that the location should be in the area of Tampa, St. Petersburg, or Clearwater. This area is a better known port area than St. Augustine too.
But I’ll look back at the previous posts and see what people have said about St. Augustine (will probably take me a while though).
~Erik

I don’t see the link to FOY Park myself, the other two did have Lat and Long that lead to the city at least. If we are reading them right and think most could agree St. Petersburg or Tampa is a better fit. I hoping the map will lead to one of the Tampa areas keys like Egmont key. I noticed Fort *Hernando* Desoto Park is in that area this image in particular looks similar to the image but I cannot confirm its location to explore it more. Part of this key in particular is a bird santuary maybe ties into some of the verses. Anyone else have thought on the area?
http://www.heatherdugan.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/hannahs-photos-052.jpg

jesus, you guys are like 13 year old’s on AIM in 1998…
WT: I set beside you in History class!!!
MF: Cindy?
WT: No Silly, to the left!
MF: Jerry?
WT: WHY DONT YOU REMEMBER ME I LOVE YOU!!!

That explains the parked car next to Matt’s house.

I HAVE ABSOLUTELY IDENTIFIED THE TREE CORRECTLY BECAUSE BP’S INITIALS ARE ON THE TREE IN THE PAINTING..THAT TREE NEXT TO THE PLANETARIUM IS THE TREE. PERIOD.

Hopping on a flight Wednesday heading to St. Augustine to the FOY. Will spend three days examining tree signs and markings. Taking pics. Might give the owner a call and take him to lunch.

Are you sure that’s not a Chi Rho? Maybe the crusaders did it.

Hope he eats panda meat!

Choice

Hope he eats panda meat!

Wow..for a little troll wanting free beer you certainly will end up thirsty.

WilliamTater

…for a little troll …

Said the stalker!

Choice

Said the stalker!

You are close. Go to the book exchange section and view Oracular Yahweh…it might be the confession of a serial stalker..i mean killer.

i took a google walk,here are some things i saw
this pic is at the next link
http://tinyurl.com/658bw74
next link
http://tinyurl.com/5vkgxbm
a rock
http://tinyurl.com/69sjdge
http://tinyurl.com/6flmhss
a wheel
http://tinyurl.com/65pv3w3
2 blocks down is
http://tinyurl.com/3ffj9wc
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Pickett fence at the entrance
http://tinyurl.com/3z62twf
looks like 2 walls by the pickett fence
http://tinyurl.com/3fuwdko
cant see if there is another wall from this side
http://tinyurl.com/3awuaz2
corner outside of pickett fence,and entrance
http://tinyurl.com/3g2a3ng
looks like the wall is broken,and almost looks, like the outline edge
of the rock, below the bird in img 6
http://tinyurl.com/3esg6y5
cant tell from this side,if broken or not
http://tinyurl.com/3v6yff2
another pickett fence near exit
http://tinyurl.com/3u5csrw
better view
http://tinyurl.com/3grc5oz
in the PK lot of foy
http://tinyurl.com/3wllab7
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i thought this was interesting,from the new and improved website of FOY
Ground Penetrating Radar peeks under our feet
http://www.fountainofyouthflorida.com/blog/?p=128
if the casque is there im sure it will be found sooner or later
and you can see a green pickett fence in vid
Archeological Find at Fountain of Youth
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/loca … yid=178246

cw0909

i dont remember seeing this, the white squares and circles,on the Gsat maps b4,not sure it may be the dig
http://goo.gl/maps/ktrm7

Hello everyone,
Yes, those squares and circles are for the archaeological dig.  I now live in Florida, so I have visited there a couple of times, most recently just a few months ago.  I am going to be going there to attempt a dig in September.

Art work resemblance: Salvador Dali “Head Exploding” topped with “end of the trail”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcdhzLqTl_w

Egbert et al, I actually got ahold of Byron Preiss.  He responded from his email at:  [email protected].
I asked him a bunch of questions, which I will not bore you with, because here was his response:
“it is me..happy searching!”
wilhouse

Fort Zachary Taylor Beach and Park lies behind the Truman Annex ( the little white house ) in Key West.  In fact, you must pass through the Annex to get to the beach.
The Fort there was once a desalinization plant
( ‘Hear the cool, clear song of water’ verse 6 )
Now, if I can only get the last bit:
Or on the eighth a scene
Where law defended
Between two arms extended
Below the bar that binds
Beside the long palm’s shadow
Embedded in the sand
Awaits the Fair remuneration
Jetties at each end of the beach?
Below a binding bar?
Next to the shadow of a long palm tree?
Buried in the sand.
Gotta keep digging…

Thanks for the welcome.
Stupid me, I just took a cruise to Key West in March and found out that President Truman like to stay there.
Here’s a link on the subject:
http://www.trumanlittlewhitehouse.com/
( ‘White house close at hand’ from verse 6?)
It also seems that this is the island where Ponce de Leon died too.
http://floridakeys.com/keywest/history.htm
The island used to survive off of piracy.  The islanders would light false signals and cause ships to crash into the rocks, where they would plunder their cargo.
( first five lines of verse 6? )
The same area has Ernest Hemingway’s house, and the Audubon house.
( ‘stand and listen to the birds’ from verse 6 )
War was declared on Spain in the custom’s house in the same area after the Maine was sunk in Cuba.
( ‘freedom at the birth of a century’ from verse 6 )
Here are some other local attractions:
http://floridakeys.com/keywest/thingsto … ctions.htm
Long palm shadow could be a tree, or the shadow of an extended hand from a local statue, at a certain time of day?
Any thoughts?

Once you get rolling, you can’t stop.
Tennessee Williams lived in Key West.  His mother’s name was Edwina! I wonder if he had any nieces or nephews named after he died? Or maybe local residents?
( ‘Edwin and Edwina named after him’ verse 6 )
I seems that Key West was a writers’ mecca.
( ‘Harken to the words:’ verse 6 )
The semicolon is unusual, since the verse has no other punctuation.  Maybe the lines following each relate to a writer that lived there?
Henry Flagler, the famous developer of Florida, who extended the Florida over-sea railroad to Key West in 1912, died in May, 1913.
( ‘Or May 1913’ verse 6 )
The search continues…

Three stones, a boulder, and a tree work with this image.
Stone 1, stand upon a three or four foot tall ring stone near the 9 o’clock position and take a photo of the boulder with tree in background, having same position as flagpole held by “Ponce”.
Stone 2, while standing on Stone 1 the WHITE peak of Mt. Hood is directly behind and in alignment ONLY with Stone 2 located at the 4 o’clock position.
Stone 3, near 2 o’clock position from the west side of Stone 2, walk 12 paces north to stand directly in front of Stone 3 which is directly between the Sam Hill Boulder and the one tree, a nobel fir.
This photo was taken while standing at the west side of Stone 2,
Taken from the roadside google streetview, photo’s taken from the right angles, follow the white line going straight into background puts the tree in the position of Ponce’s flag and follow the green line putting the tree just to the right of the “white” stone puts things in a perspective where the boulder and the “white” stone have the same relative position as that of the glacier and Ponce rock in image 6.
Thus, in two specific ways the puzzle directs us to a stone which is white: 1) geographically, from the position where the white line indicates the tree as “Ponce’s” flag pole, the white stone is that rock in line with the white peak of Mt. Hood, and 2) illustration based, the spot where the top of the boulder and the tree is now seen as the location of the palm in the image, then where the white glacier is drawn is also the spot where we find the stone to base our 12 paces north from it’s west side.

Here’s a reference in the book (page 14) for the “end of trail”

Unknown

Unknown:
I’ve had a series of breakthroughs and I can see they are meaningless without physically producing a casque.  I only hope the flaws in my offerings would be called out in a frank or precise way before being smothered under the blanket of “favorite flavor” constructs.

I’m sorry you think we’re just being stubborn and hidebound instead of using what is likely, what is obvious and what is most sensible. If you want only validation for your ideas, you’re probably in the wrong place. If you want to act on those ideas, certainly nothing in the universe should stop you, no matter what anyone says or thinks.
The denizens of this board are trying to give you the benefit of years of experience and research with a healthy dose of common sense. You may accept or reject all if it pleases you–no one will be at all upset or offended.
You must believe me when I tell you that there have been a lot of people who have had “breakthroughs” but not a single one has produced any results. We have said over and over again, this is not really the purpose of this hunt anymore, since you are not going to get a prize
even if
you unearth something that looks like a 30 year old plexiglass box with a ceramic key in it. There is no competition here. This is not a board for those who would wish to get their name in the paper. Basically, this is going to be a mental exercise only–so your ideas are always welcomed, but not if you expect the rest of us to fall into your train of thought without letting you know what conclusions have already been reached. Basically, you should do what you want to do and think what you want to think without worrying so much about whether or not others agree. Nothing prevents you from going anywhere and digging up anything you want, but by the same token, nothing stops the rest of us from saying that we don’t feel it’s the right place.

I am sharing.  If the Seloy connection had been discovered today would yesterday’s Selby connection be reconsidered?
Any level of compare and contrast would elevate our discussion beyond what has just transpired.  Anyone would be grumpy or even intimidated by the tower of Seloy should they ever pass under it’s shadow.
Image 6 details soon to come in polished form once laptop gets repaired or files transferred.

erexere

Anyone would be grumpy or even intimidated by the tower of Seloy should they ever pass under its shadow.

Damn straight. Mordor had nothing on that one.

I’ve been working up my fervor so much that when there was no coffee or other replacement for imediate gratification I naturally looked for a community response to my recent post activity.  Of course I was disappointed if responses from a community that has had years of opportunity to build up a cannon of theory doesn’t either quickly dismantle or validate.  I want all the validation I can get if that is what it takes to get someone on board with checking out any of my ideas.  This forum has to be the right place if a casque is to be found.  Let’s get the job done.  Give attention if it helps, ignore if it doesn’t help, just sing clear whatever hope or confidence there might be.  I am only hours and a day spent on internalizing the annals here at Q4T and it seems to me some folks have fallen into a slumber of activity and others have gone cryptic or too deep into one line of thought.
I appreciate the welcomes.  This is a mature group and I don’t take offense or have the view that I’m seen as an outsider.  I know its off-putting when I go about sharing ideas that oppose the mainstream, so I don’t expect praise.  I’ve learned to pat myself on the back and let nothing stop me from helping others, which is why I’m here to help someone find a casque.  Now please point me in their direction if they aren’t already on these forums.  I need one volunteer in Boston and one in the Puget Sound area.
AP- thanks, I celebrated my 4 year old’s birthday.  She’s very happy.  I installed a zipline in the backyard so she could send her toys across in a little basket.

erexere

I need one volunteer in Boston and one in the Puget Sound area.

Wow…again I side with shecrab  :(S What the heck is wrong with me? lol  It isn’t that we don’t want to hear other ideas…keep them coming. That is pretty much what lead us to the Cleveland find.  One thing that I (not speaking for the rest but have a feeling others agree) become leary of is when one comes on the board…has an epiphany…speaks of having to check the site…then will share ideas.
As shecrab said, we aren’t here to get rich. We all just love sharing ideas which may or may not lead to the unearthing of another casque from this going on 30 year old hunt. We all checked our ‘secrets’ in at the door. Everything, good and bad, gets shared on this board. If I have an amazing breakthrough (which I did some time ago with the lat lon numbers) possibly pinpointing a location, I’m not going to keep my cards close to my chest hoping to someday in the near or not so near future be able to afford a plane ticket to the site. I will come to these boards and SHOUT it out with excitement and hope someone is nearby or can afford that plane ticket.

I really don’t mind that the park authorities are requesting the use of GPR before I take shovel to earth in Corbett, Oregon.  I’ve got a couple folks who might have access to GPR in their work.  One runs a navy diving salvage company and the other works with DOT in planning, but that’s just a sliver of hope.  If real money is required to rent the equipment then I’ll have to put things on hold.
Now, on to the image discussion.  In going over my notes with a level headed old timer named Derrek, we landed on a really interesting perspective.  The Ponce on horseback on hilltop is really a “King of the Mountain” symbolization.  Paired with something I believe is accurate and observable based on my being at the Corbett site, I found that when standing at the spot atop a small circle stone (3 feet high) and looking at the 50-ton center boulder resting on top of the 3 stair base (roots extended), one of the two taller basalt signposts stands below the white snow-capped peak of Mt. Hood.  The central idea here is “King of the Mountain” and an actual Mountain is paramount to finding the “white stone closest”.
Yes, the negative outline of Florida is in the image.  Yes, there is a palm tree.  Yes, Ponce de Leon is on top of that hill.  Yes, there’s a verse that has a SELOY acrostic.  Is it conceivable that BP would do such a thing as utilize some very very very convincing key elements in such an obvious and yet misleading way?  If the goal was to make it challenging, then yes.  Is it too challenging?  What about Corbett, Oregon..or the Columbia River..or Lewis and Clark could possibly lead BP to consider using a Florida motif to mislead us?
In answer, I think it’s sufficient to consider two main points:  (1) Joseph Lane was the 1st Governor of the Oregon Territory and Ponce de Leon was the 1st Governor of Peurto Rico, but also there are two Forts named Lane, (a) Fort Lane on Lake Harney in Florida est. 1837 and (b) Fort Lane near Medford Oregon est. 1853, and (2) William Selby Harney has involvement in both Oregon and Florida such that there are places named after him in both areas:
Oregon
named the town of Harney, Harney Valley, Harney Lake, and Harney County after General Harney. North Dakota’s Harney Peak was named after General Harney who mapped it in 1857.
Florida
has Lake Harney. He died in Orlando, Florida in 1889.  He is also part of my theory on image 12 paired with verse 9 for sending General George Pickett to San Juan Island in Northwest Washington.
Given the potential that these points have for working up a challenge, I think it becomes much easier to relate to Byron Preiss’ method of design.  Image 6 and Verse 5 was his “King of the Mountain” challenge.  He connects Harney in a creative way to disguise an Oregon as Florida location and uses a key connection to lead us to a Washington location.  FOY becomes orphaned as a possibility with image 6 (paired wit verse 5) and verse 9 (paired with image 12) leading elsewhere.

Hey all! The SELOY clue has always been the one that has sealed the deal for me. That is way too much for me to say “coincidence”! I can’t argue with it. But, if my memory serves me right, the FOY park was not the only site that contained archeological artifacts from Seloy. I remember reading about digs at the Nombre de Dios site next door to the FOY park that were conducted by University of Florida. I’m pretty sure that UFs Florida museum of natural history department is in charge of those digs.  Now, since I am a native Gainesvillian (Go Gators!) and also live a mile from the UF campus I will find out who I should ask about the Seloy business. But there is still the question (even if the villiage of Seloy was all over that area) of whether or not BP did “extensive” research on the area or if he mearly went there, saw the seloy sign in FOY park and buried the treasure in the area. What do you guys think he did in terms of research about the area? I should also note that my good friend Brian distinctly sees a mother holding a baby in the large rock. While I was visiting the area for the millionth time (obsessed with this puzzle!) recently I did note that the shrine at the Nombre de Dios mission is that of Mary holding a baby Jesus. It looks very similar. I just wanted to throw that out there in case anyone else has seen this in the rock. I also have lots of pictures of the area if anyone wants them. Where should I post them? Also, if anyone has any ideas or wants to arrange to meet with my friends and myself in Saint Augestine, they can email me. My email is my name on these forums @msn.com. I live roughly less than two hours away from St. Augustine. As some of you may know I’m all for the FOY or Island theories and would love to discuss anyone’s St. Augestine theories or ideas!
Chris

hey i am new top this forum but i am packing a wholloping amount of info regarding the ties of image 6 and verse 9……. i used to live on charlotte harbor, in the small town of punta gorda, fl (just off of I-75)there is a very small park i used to fish at called none other than Ponce De Leon Park(speed limit 11 mph)this park is located off of Us 41 on marion ave, the painting looks very much like some of the statues they have around the park, and there is a wild life refuge adjacent to the park witha good selection of birds and large cats. there is a trail in this park that is on the water(raised pier/walking trail) that is completly surrounded by mangroves(like a bigpicket fence that is green all year due to the warm climate)……… oh and btw large boats and yachts honk their horns as they go by to let smaller boats know of the large obstuction to the pass,you can hear it all through the path all day long, like i said buch of info but its what i can remember quickly at one in the morning, may or may not help

shecrab

Adoks sent me this earlier today. I think it will be very helpful in locating the casques when we are unsure of their location. Enjoy!
(BTW: He did the artwork himself!! Isn’t he fantastic?)

Where can we get an autographed copy??

I find it perplexing that someone would think this tree is where the FOY casque is buried?

Here is the actual letters that may or may not indicate 8 2 4.

burnstyle

That is a lamp. I think the blacksmith makes them.
I dont know how old they are, but they are all over the park.

Im not sure I see it. I’ve viewed yuor FOY walk through on youtube several times and have been to the park a gfew times and have never seen one?
Maybe you could post a picture here?
Thanks.

Look harder when you go back. they are all over. wherever there is dark, there is lamp.

Why not consider rock formations in Pyramid Lake, NV?  Are you asking what specifically makes this rock formation in Corbett, OR a better fit than any other similar looking geologic?
I’ve had to rethink my interpretation many times now.  It’s a very difficult site to understand.  The Secret is even harder to understand when people use what they think they know about Cleveland and Chicago to establish a foothold in the other locations.  We’ve all been down that road.  When I finally pulled it together I had to review Cleveland and Chicago more thoroughly to understand a possibility that wasn’t previously discussed.  The first line.
Lane
1. A significant persons name
2. A common word used to describe roadways
If you’re not the person living across the street from the casque location, this treasure hunt requires that we gather our facts.  Even before Ponce de Leon landed in St. Augustine, the Spanish Crown had made it’s claim to the coastal lands north of Mexico.  Spanish explorers were the first Europeans to set sight on the waters now known as the Columbia River.  Shortly after the Spanish reports, British and American explorations quickly established settlements which resulted in disputes followed by negotiations and treaties leading to the formation of the Oregon Territory.  The first person appointed to the task of governance over this territory by James K. Polk was Joseph Lane.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_ex … _Northwest
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oregon_Territory
This rock formation in Corbett is a historic landmark, complete with multiple plaques and interpretive markers.  The monument is the first to a man known for his preeminence in Good Roads building and recognizes his achievement of building the FIRST scenic highway in the US.  The highway designations have been altered several times, but that doesn’t change the fact that this portion of highway is consistent with the second line of Verse 5, “Two twenty-two”.  Historic Highway No. 2, Exit 22.
The site matches the verse perfectly.  A big 50-ton boulder elevated by three square platforms each extending farther beneath it (like a pyramid).  Viewable from the site are just a few notable things: a view of the Columbia River, the Crown Point Vista House surrounded by an arc of lights, and Rooster Rock protruding from the forest below.  Next to the circle of stones is one big tree.  There’s no clear reference to a white stone.
The image conveys a number of very important elements.  The boulder on a square shaped platform inside a circle resembles the shape in the pennant flag of Image 6.  The boulder has “fingerprint” features to match the details drawn within the rock formation.  It’s abundantly clear these aren’t exact, because the artist has drawn a unique structure and included some variety.  The portrayal of a Spanish explorer holding a flag to the top of the rock establishes the “first to the top” or “King of the Mountain” theme.  The lines “wingless bird ascending / born of ancient dreams of flight” fits the dormant volcano idea.
Nearby, making national headlines in 1980, Mt. St. Helens woke from dormancy, here’s a postcard photo:
The reason for these mountain references is key to identifying the elusive “white stone”.  Using the position of the pole in the Spanish explorers hand as it’s seen in the same position when facing the boulder so that the large tree is in the same spot in the background it places you on top of one of the smaller circle stones.
The most significant and only “white” feature nearest is Mt. Hood, seen in this postcard of Portland,
Point yourself in the direction of that peak and it takes you precisely to the west side of another stone in the circle.  Walking 12 paces north places you directly in front of the large tree, beneath which you may dig for a casque.
I don’t think Pyramid Lake, NV supports any verse based approach as well as Corbett.  I no longer intend to dig for this casque.  I think it’s a sane theory, supported by documentation and firmly fixed to 1980’s relevance.  I see the FOY theory as something which is based largely on Verse 9 and has very unfortunate correlations drawn to Image 6.  The art of discussion seems lost on people these days.  There’s just a lot of hopeful bullrubbish being built around overly narrow ideas.  It’s all a matter of context.  I totally understand where people are coming from…it’s just a free-for-all when it comes to loving you’re own fallacy.
Oh, here’s a postcard of Rooster Rock,

I took a trip to Corbett a couple days ago.  I verified that the Exit number was 22 back in 1980 and the section of highway was designated as Highway No. 2.  It’s a short mile and half drive up the hill.  This time I counted 24 steps at 30 inches per step to make 12 total paces and it took me to a spot just about 5 feet from the most significant tree in the area.  The area has a lot of mole activity as indicated by the dirt patches found in several places along the trimmed grassy area.  The only flowers blooming in the area are a nice purple color.
I tried to capture a variety of angles on the historic monument dedicated to the builder of the first scenic highway in the United States.
http://s11.photobucket.com/user/erexere … et/Corbett

I don’t remember that picket fence by the exit  being there about 5 years ago. Is that new?

At the risk of sounding silly, I had a new thought after taking a closer look around (well, as close as I could anyway).
Common thought is that the face in the image is the planetarium. Also central to the image is the column (I’ll assert it is the FOY exit colum). Lastly, the face is facing the palm tree. So, maybe this is all directions…”at column, face planetarium and palm tree.”
If you stand at the FOY exit column and face the planetarium, several things fall into alignment:
1) The telephone pole intersects perpendicularly with the planetarium dome.
2) The telephone pole would come down through the left side of the dome with the planetarium exit on the right.
3) The palm tree is seen in the distance down a “gutter” (wall on the left, magnolias on the right).
Here’s a picture of what I mean (might want to download):
http://www.mediafire.com/download/c466quvbtgcubja/foy_exit_lines_2.jpg
Anyhow, at the corner of the green picket fence and the column is a really good spot.

If you are going to entertain Corbett, OR as a possibility, why not Pyramid Lake, NV?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/smithsonian/4327907016/

I dont know ’bout all the behind the scenes ego stroking, but I feel like this place is one big orchestra. Not everyone plays the same instrument or part and sometimes someone says something wonderful or shows us the inscrutable as johann did and we just love the jam like Yngwie here
https://youtu.be/N5r-q8Kz9CI

Yes.  I have confirmation that it’s okay to proceed.  All that needs to happen now is a staff person will need to be present and a permit to dig deeper than 1 shovel spade depth will be required by their resident archaeologist.

Does that put the gem just outside the park behind a green picket fence?

and, just to appease my curiousity please, are there any speed bumps near the ticket booth, or where u pay, and is there any picture of the ticket place? or wherever u pay for admission?
any speed bumps in the parking lot? that’s just to go with my fair folks notes
couldn’t “base” be another word for “fort”?……that would point to that marker again

boogieman

Are we still going with V9 on this one?  I will be in FLA for the next 5 days.  How far is it from Daytona?  I figure, why not practice for my JPJ dig in Brooklyn. LOL

Didn’t make to St Augustine this trip.  Next one in May.  Sorry.
It’s 2 and a half hours from where I was.

maltedfalcon

possibly it is more, however it would be more for cleveland. as we know 1picture and 1 verse = casque
you are suggesting more than one picture would have clues for a casque and thats a non – starter.
If you have to resort to that to bolster you theory, it makes your theory very weak.

Im not asking for support for my theory with that date.  Im asking whats special about 1818.  Was it a ever established as a critical date to the Cleveland solution beyond the extraction of an “81”?  Hasnt it already been established that instances of familiarity seem to occur across images?  Unused or superfluous information in each image might be of a purpose.  Thats a curiousity.  What about the other date and the arch similarity to Sam Houston?

It’s a longitude marker masquerading as a date.  The 18 part of it is part of its disguise.

Are there any other numbers in the rocks?

erexere

Beneath the only standing member
White stone closest
At twelve paces
From the west side

This is a white rock?
and according to the army a pace is about 30 inches long give or take.
12 paces = 30 feet or 10 yards. Even accounting for shorter or longer paces.
the space between your white rock and those rocks around it is way too short.
however you cut it that rock is not white.

I am calling the stone that lines up with the white mountain peak the “white” stone.
Here’s an example, which black circle lines up with the alpine rock formation?  Imagine that all the red lines radiate out from your viewpoint.

maltedfalcon

and according to the army a pace is about 30 inches long give or take.
12 paces = 30 feet or 10 yards. Even accounting for shorter or longer paces.
the space between your white rock and those rocks around it is way too short.

Looks verified.
Good news, found an archaeologist who enjoys doing side work.

Unknown

Unknown:
i took a google walk,here are some things i saw
this pic is at the next link
http://tinyurl.com/658bw74
next link
http://tinyurl.com/5vkgxbm
a rock
http://tinyurl.com/69sjdge
http://tinyurl.com/6flmhss
a wheel
http://tinyurl.com/65pv3w3
2 blocks down is
http://tinyurl.com/3ffj9wc
http://www.quest4treasure.co.uk/forum/h … 57#p114057

here seems like an idea if yours dont pan out,if a guy in a maintenance uniform
was digging he prob would not be noticed,he would just be another worker
dig at williams street and san marco ave
http://tinyurl.com/5vkgxbm

i did a google street veiw all along Magnolia , ill try to get to them in a slide show or
something, i have links for the Archaeological Park thing mention, from memory
they have been digging since 1976, here are some links to study, im swamped with paperwork
and have to go to columbus, for 4 days, ill try to get the streetview together
while im gone
links too
comments ect.,under about the sites contents
http://www.flmnh.ufl.edu/histarch/galle … how-to.asp
Excavation history
http://www.flmnh.ufl.edu/histarch/Colle … of%20youth
photos of park only first 3 pgs
http://public.fotki.com/Marlonfleenor/1 … e-florida/
stercox sorry again for not going back far enough in the threads
sidenote if you use v-10 the fort has a v shape at waters edge and the lislands along that
part of coast are refered to as barrier islands, just a thought

I really think you guys are reinventing the wheel here.  I’ve personally been to that park 4 times, interviewed the longtime employees and the owner, and have photographed almost every inch of it which was presented on this board in Webshot slide show for everyone to see some time ago.  For me there is no doubt about this park–all these confirmers that are being presented recently have been documented previously.  Success in finding the casque at this park would require pictures of the areas of interest inside the park dating back to the early 1980s.  I have my doubts that they exist except in some strangers box or photo album in their attic.  Even the owner does not have photos dating back to this time frame.  Archeological digs at this park occur in an area quite far away from the area of interest.  Our digs have to be focused at this park and that means you need to be able to narrow down to a very small dig site.  Unfortunately, the final landmarks are missing 25+ years later.  But that is all this solve needs.  Yet it seems like a million miles away and that’s the rub.  I don’t see that further documentation of confirmers for the FOY park yields further benefit.    I urge you to fully review the thread for P & V on this–it will save you some time I think.  But I don’t want to stand in anyone’s way–if rehashing clues that have already been uncovered and discussed at length historically on this board helps convince people that this is the right place–then onward.

FOY has always been pay admission right?  were the others that were solved, or was it free admission?
i’m wondering if this isn’t just the starting point……

after looking at streeview of area, i noticed the wall in some places
looks like jumbled rocks as the pic, and the planteturium and globe
and marker for and the first chapter sign, all seem close together
and near the wall, maybe its buried near there
IMG]http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t139/cw0909/sreetview/56.jpg

cw0909 mentioning the alligator farm made me think of alligator tears, same as crocodile tears………and the verse says: like moonlight in teardrops
but yes, they are fake tears meant to deceive

Hi this is my first post here but have been watching the board for a while now off and on.  I have a question for someone that knows the park there in San Diego.  Are there any Budha Statues around there or a conection to Buddha?  Not sure if the Japanes are Buhddist or not.  The reason why I ask is if you turn p6 upside down and look at the part that looks llike Florida right side up it looks to me to be a budhha image.  Also if you look at the rock formation with the p right side up the formation looks to me like a Indian looking up in the sky.  I believe there were Indians in the area of San Diego.  Just somethings I see in the p.

fox from reading your posts over time i knew you
would go to that line, for that fountian
i too thought of that, but could not connect
the years pass part, of that line to the fountian
tried to find info on it, no luck without knowing
the name of the fountian. maybe i missed the name
somewhere in the posts. maybe cobock can find out more
about the fountian when he/she goes to the park
could it be  as simple as,  / years pass/ means
the kids and the umbrella will always be there representing
the concept  rain falls

It is hard to make a list of things to document when you don’t know what there is to document…so….
document Everything!

fox

“Over the tall grass,Years pass, rain falls.”
This section seems oh so vague to me.
*Tall grass?  You can find that anywhere.  I am wondering if there is a sign nearby or something around there that specifically mentions ‘tall grass’ or possibly the indian translation of tall grass or even some type of play on words.
*Years pass?  Once again, years pass EVERYWHERE you are.  I think this directly refers to the Explorers Discovery Globe.  On the old map that cw posted (
http://family.webshots.com/photo/208943 … 0493DLsiOy
) look how it describes this building.  A passing of 100 years.
*Rain falls?  Sure does, anywhere and everywhere.  I had an aha moment
while perusing cw’s posts.  This one regards the fountain.  How long has this particular fountain been around?  Was it there when BP walked the park?  Take another look at it and you will know why I ask.
http://community.webshots.com/photo/ful … 0493rAmLGK

*Years pass?  Once again, years pass EVERYWHERE you are.  I think this directly refers to the Explorers Discovery Globe
cool fox had not seen that maybe another site point
fountain thought of you when i looked at it

what would be great is a video!!
with commentary! lol
to me, “the stars move by day sails pass by night even in darkness”, would be the planetarium….or a flag…
even  “moonlight in teardrops”, something reflecting…….”Gazing at the nighttime sky reflects events the way the universe used to be.” (i  just read that here:
http://eclecticcommons.telldat.net/2009 … eflection/
)………..or the fountain, or mirrors
the tall grass part makes me think of bamboo, but i don’t see any bamboo in your great pictures, there is a bamboo palm, but i think it’s an inside plant, but maybe in florida it can stay outside…
or maybe it’s just tall grass, or anything prairie like there? or is the ticket booth made of bamboo? bamboo bench?

fox nice close up of the fountain, and the new fountain head
http://flickr.com/photos/29018564@N06/3 … 3/sizes/l/

http://flickr.com/photos/29018564@N06/3 … 3/sizes/l/
Now that’s a green picket fence….as is that.
http://flickr.com/photos/65819392@N00/1 … 9/sizes/o/

I’ve seen the new fountain head several times during my stroll trough hundreds and hundreds of pix of the area on Flickr.  How long has that one been around?  I really like the old one with the kids holding the umbrella as our “rain falls”.  That just ‘seems’ like something BP would use in a puzzle.

This question doesn’t point to a particular state, but is it possible that the pony is a carousel pony?  The position of the flagpole in relationship to the pony’s body reminds me of a carousel pole.

Byron Priess

Durian

I’m sorry to interrupt the amazing and scintillating banter that has recently taken over this thread……That is of course if it is not now considered passe to actually post thoughts on this thread that might in some way spark actual discussion/ideas about where the casque may or may not be buried, lol…

Chill out and remember why you are so interested in boat anchors.
I know a guy down in STA but he isn’t that interested in the anchor idea. I may be heading down there in August.

GoldenMartyr

Chill out and remember why you are so interested in boat anchors.
I know a guy down in STA but he isn’t that interested in the anchor idea. I may be heading down there in August.

In August? When and where? Are you heading to the FOY? They have excellent cheeseburgers and fries.

WilliamTater

In August?

WilliamTater

Are you heading to the FOY?

In July and August
Near this site

Here’s my last but biggest clue…the big tree that BP dug next to is NOT there anymore….it IS in the pic behind the lamp (MOON) clue.

Solved! Appreciate you sharing. Will dig up In July and August.

GoldenMartyr

Chill out and remember why you are so interested in boat anchors.
I know a guy down in STA but he isn’t that interested in the anchor idea. I may be heading down there in August.

I mean… I’ll dig it if I’m allowed.

burnstyle

Haha, I am just secretly giving you hell.

WilliamTater

…the big tree that BP dug next to is NOT there anymore…

Mr. Tater – might you be able to clarify which tree in the image you posted you’re referring to as the one that’s no longer there?

Kang

Mr. Tater – might you be able to clarify which tree in the image you posted you’re referring to as the one that’s no longer there?

Oh Dearest Kang..dear friend of Zossima…look close and see what now is no longer there…

yeah, just what we need, another city…
I’ve always wondered how SoCal could be left off the list…
wilhouse

I used to live in San Diego,
none of the verses remind me of anything there.
but I will have a fresh rethink on it
go over the verses and see if I see anything in the picture

There are many places on the Florida coast that could look similar to that coastline you drew there. I live in Florida and have visited St. Augustine as well as other similar archeological sites around the state. Digging is most definetly prohibited. However, there is a campsite near the St. Augustine dig site (as pictured on the Fountain of Youth state park site, there was a link to it a few posts back.) I would assume you could dig there, even if it’s at night while you’re camping >.>  And it would be right below the part that looks like the outline of the island.

wk, not sure which site you’re “3rd site” is.  Are you pointing out a tree in the vicinity of the Vista House?  Also, I’m undecided whether we should use true North or declinate for magnetic North when pacing 12 steps.  Whoever ends up digging there needs to have a clear day without clouds and climb up on top of one or two of the ring stones to see if the peak of Mt. Hood is viewable over a tree and set of rooftops just down the road.  I think it will be.  I previously thought it was obscured, but I hadn’t perched or roosted on any of the stones to check.
shecrab, I’m fine with anyone willing to exercise their wisdom.  Absence of feedback isn’t a problem either.  Lots of folks who would be interested just haven’t checked in in awhile.  Occam’s doesn’t refute one idea over another simply because one is favored or accepted by consensus.  It’s more about qualifying the quantity of assumptions.  Regardless of whether my inferences are outside the norm, the refutation of my theory on the basis of Occam’s Razor should suggest that there exists a hypothesis that uses fewer inferences.  I haven’t attempted a refutation of the FOY theory because I’m not willing to assume I know even half as much as those who first presented it.  I’ve simply moved along lines familiar to my local point of view.  My main assertions come from standing in front of a big boulder and saying ‘yep, there it is’.  It’s a whole world of difference with all the other sites that I’ve not been on location to witness what might have inspired Preiss.  Anyone else, for that matter, who has been at a location and has derived a warm and fuzzy feeling from seeing more than Google Earth allows, should offer up the same standard.
Seriously, doesn’t this grab anyone’s attention?
Could this be a lat/long?

Hi erexere, I like your idea of the near and far alignments which can give a very accurate location.
So I have been looking for a photo which shows the alignment of the Beacon Rock and the Crown Point.
The third scenic viewpoint on this site also has the tree!
http://columbiariverimages.com/Regions/Places/chanticleer_point.html

Something that had my interest early on was the windmill / water tower on image 5.  Looking at this image, I started with the assumption that the figure here in image 6 was Don Quixote and so I thought any historic windmill locations might play a part in this.  Unfortunately I couldn’t come up with anything for certain.  One interesting resource I gathered was this breakdown of studies done in the late 70’s on possible candidate sites for building large windmills for energy collection.
http://tinyurl.com/659afhw

Unknown

Unknown:
Let’s have more reconciling, recompiling, and reconnaisance.  If you see something you like, say so, if you see something you don’t understand, say so, if you find any good clear reason to dismiss a doubt, say so, then we will see progress.

I hope I don’t offend you with this, but frankly, Eric, I think you’re waaaay off on most of your assumptions and theories. Probably the reason you’re not seeing much feedback is that most of the hunters here are probably just baffled by some of your conclusions–not that they aren’t understandable, but they ignore the methods and manner in the way the two found casques were hidden and subsequently found. I’m all for new ideas, but you go so far afield sometimes that the things you’ve offered don’t make a lot of sense.  I could be wrong, of course–I frequently am–but for me, your ideas about what Preiss meant by some of the riddles is just–well–odd.  I do think it will take some out-of-the-box thinking to narrow down the searches, but you seem at times to ignore the box altogether in favor of something else. It’s hard to deny that image 2 is Charleston, or that image 3 is probably Roanoke Island; it’s also difficult to believe that you think image 6 is somehwere other than Florida when the verse  (9) and the image fit so well together and say so many things about a very small location: FOY park; or that the hand holding the mask in image 7 is really holding a spatula for bread. I don’t want to discourage lateral thinking, but some of the things just ignore the obvious–such as the McDonough statue’s boy figure and where it IS. You realize I’m sure that most of the casques are probably never going to be found–time and change has taken care of that for us. And as I said, I don’t want to discourage any new thoughts. But seeing very far-off things for explanations of simpler things seems to me to be a denial of Occam’s razor, which is probably the most useful law any treasure hunter can employ.
Sorry if I don’t agree. I’m just watching, waiting and observing your learning curve here. But I haven’t seen much real progress.

Durian – You captured some interesting ideas. Not sure if you mentioned it but the north part of the peninsula north of the lighthouse looks like the head of the conquistador in the painting. And Castillo de San Marcos is near the head just like the “milestone” in the flag in the painting. With lions featured in many of the other solves, it feels more than coincidental that the Bridge of Lions is near the lighthouse as well.

Durian

So GoldenMartyr,
Proper thread (more or less)… Do you have an idea in mind for:
At the base of a tall tree
… ATBOATT?
And why flip the “T,” and to which “T” were you referring?

I just tried the search button and every time that I type in “ATBOATT”, my auto-correct changes it to abort. I wonder if that is a related clue or message?
Oh well, I tried…

Durian

So GoldenMartyr,
Proper thread (more or less)… Do you have an idea in mind for:
At the base of a tall tree
… ATBOATT?
And why flip the “T,” and to which “T” were you referring?

Yes, I do. At Boat T <--- this T, sorry thought that was self explanatory. After digging into the location and clues, I do not believe it is a T but instead is telling you At boat anchor. I am treating it like a puzzle.

I loaded a negative image of this pic here:
http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/arm … ing/files/
it is pretty easy to see all the cracks in the rock this way.
take a look. the 82 jumps right out (though it does look like it could be a 3, but is probably an
there is something strange right below the gem
wilhouse

Well, Image 6 with the Conquistador and the palm tree seems to be an obvious reference to Florida — perhaps too obvious.  Someone pointed out the same thing with Image 7 and the Mardi Gras mask, but the latitude and longitude of New Orleans (29 & 90) appears to lock that picture in on that city.  Other than the “spanish” look to Image 6, and the Florida shape of the empty space, there is nothing tying this pic to Florida.  Why am I saying all this?  Because in the “What has been found” thread, you will see a chart of our proposed locations, and the problem that we have:   13 possibilities, but only 12 treasures.  Let’s take a look at it:
Boston ——— Image ? —– Verse 3 —— ?? month
Charleston —— Image 2 —- Verse ? —— 4th month —Africa
Chicago ——– Image 5 —– Verse 12 —– 5th month — Ireland
Cleveland ——- Image 4 —- Verse 4 —— 3rd month — Greece
Houston ——— Image 8 —- Verse 1 —— 7th month — Arabia
Kill Devil Hill —— Image ? —- Verse 11 —– ?? month
New Orleans —– Image 7 —- Verse ? —– 12th month — France
New York City — Image 12 — Verse 10? — 11th month — Russia
Salt Lake City — Image 11 — Verse ? —— 8th month — Italy
San Francisco — Image 1 —- Verse 7? —– 6th month — China
Florida?? ——– Image 6 —- Verse ? —— 9th month — Spain
Unmatched:
Image 3 (armor)(England)
Image 9 (funny man)(Dutch)
Image 10 (juggler)(Germany)
Verses 2, 5, 6, 8, & 9
Locations:  St. Louis & Canada
Going down the list:
1. — Verse 3 has the reference to Paul Revere’s ride which is unmistakable.  That seems to lock in Boston as 1 of the sites.
2. — The mask in Image 2 is a coastline match.  We also have Ft.Sumter.  Definite.
3. — Found.
4. — Found.
5. — Verse 1 and the “982” train seem to match.  Image 8 seems the best match as well.
6. — Verse 11 has the words from the Wright Bros. monument.  Seems definite.
7. — Image 7 has the lat/long & the mask.  Seems to work.
8. — Image 12 has the Lady and the Bird, but it’s not a definite match.  I’d like to see NeVar put the real images side by side in that thread.
9. — Image 11 and 112 degrees.  Seems to match, but still not convinced.  Not a port city.
10. — Image 1 has many matches with SF, as pointed out in that thread.  I’m convinced.
11. — Image 6?  Hmmm.
12. — I think we are convinced that a treasure is in St. Louis — someone said they received an email from B.Preiss confirming it.  We’ve also come up with possible matches (Robert Louis Stevenson book, etc.).
13. — We all seem convinced about Canada as well.  B.Preiss seems to confirm this through articles.  The treasures are hidden across “North America,” not just the “USA.”
So, 1 of these locations is wrong.  Also, more than 1 could be wrong if someone is correct about the other locations talked about in other threads (Pittsburgh, Nevada, Georgia, etc.).  From the above discussion, it appears that NYC, Florida, or Salt Lake City is the wrong one.  To me, Florida seems the most tenuous.
So, that would mean that Image 6 goes with either Boston, Kill Devil Hill, St. Louis, or Canada (these are the “unmatched” cities).  Just something to think about for this picture.  Whew!

rob–  I see the 2 clearly now, and thus the 82.  Thanks.
–Johann

I probably sound stupid here stercox, but where/what is FOY?

Fountain of Youth
it is a park/Tourist attraction  (pay to enter)
in the north part of St Augustine.
The first letters of this verse when taken in order form the word SELOY
which was the indian tribe who used to live in the area of North ST. Augustine.

hm, St. Augustine? Despite the SELOY connection I feel like this location doesn’t match with the long/lat coordinates in the picture, which are 82/83. I think this would imply that the location should be in the area of Tampa, St. Petersburg, or Clearwater. This area is a better known port area than St. Augustine too.
But I’ll look back at the previous posts and see what people have said about St. Augustine (will probably take me a while though).
~Erik

First time posting here. I’ve been reading pretty much every other post and I’ve decided I want to be a little more involved. Like a lot of new people I had no idea about The Secret until Expedition unknown. born in ’93 btw. Can we revive this thread? I’m from Florida and this is really the only picture I’m trying to figure out. Does everyone think the casque is in St. Augustine? Because if we use the numbers that may be in the image (24? and 83?) as possible coordinates this puts you in either key west or dry tortugas.

rlhuguenin

First time posting here. I’ve been reading pretty much every other post and I’ve decided I want to be a little more involved. Like a lot of new people I had no idea about The Secret until Expedition unknown. born in ’93 btw. Can we revive this thread? I’m from Florida and this is really the only picture I’m trying to figure out. Does everyone think the casque is in St. Augustine? Because if we use the numbers that may be in the image (24? and 83?) as possible coordinates this puts you in either key west or dry tortugas.

Welcome! Did you read the verse 9 thread? That’s really what put me solidly in the St. Aug camp

i have read that thread. the match to st augy (i live like 45 minutes from st augsutine, we call it st augy) is very compelling, but there are no coordinate matches to it and i dont think BP would bury the casque at the FOY park like almost everyone thinks. i dont think he would bury it in a park that you have to pay to get into. every other park that people are looking at for other images are public parks free to anybody to go to.

Hello, and welcome to the hunt.
The numbers are correct-ish.
If you visit the FOY and watch the 4-d world laser show (I forget what they call it now… but thats basically what it is) they explain that Ponce calculated his position incorrectly when he landed in St. Aug.
The numbers in the painting are the Lat and Long that the show says ponce thought he was at.

…yes, there was one couple that didn’t read about FOY in the intro because they thought that only the images and verses were relevant, and they walked straight past the sign saying “The First Chapter” and the statue of Ponce de Leon without noticing, because some hippie was jumping around with a shovel and swearing at passers-by. But when they sat down in the laser show and heard those hidden coordinates being read out, the penny dropped.

but someone wouldnt have known that unless theyve seen the show. ive never seen the show. who saw the show and said that those coordinates were in it, because the ships log for ponce de leon had them at a latitude of 30 degrees.
http://www.culturallylaflorida.org/pape … nWorld.pdf
on pg. 5

rlhuguenin

who saw the show and said that those coordinates were in it

I did. But to be fair I haven’t seen the show in awhile, and the more I think about it… I think it was the planetarium show. So take my words with a grain of salt.

burnstyle

Hello, and welcome to the hunt.
The numbers are correct-ish.
If you visit the FOY and watch the 4-d world laser show (I forget what they call it now… but thats basically what it is) they explain that Ponce calculated his position incorrectly when he landed in St. Aug.
The numbers in the painting are the Lat and Long that the show says ponce thought he was at.

No one has ever been to a laser show in a state which would allow them to remember anything. Story doesn’t check out.

A friend of mine sees the following images in Image 6:
1. a hawk with the gem as its eye
2. an upside-down shield with a chevron
3. a cartoonish bloodhound that resembles Hannah-Barbara’s character “Droopy.”

Hi All, a friend of mine is off to Chicago tomorrow. He is going to Grant Park, and I asked him to take photos, only thing is, I can’t remember where we thought the casket was. If someone could give me a list of places for him to photograph (today) then I will post them here when he gets back.

That’s great, Steve.
If you go to the first page of the “What has been found” thread, you will see a step-by-step walkthrough of Grant Park.  I think it was by Johann.  It would be nice to see photos of it.  FYI, it’s image 5 and verse 12 of the book.
Even more important, we are still searching for some evidence that the casque was actually found, and who found it.  But we may never have the answer to that one.  Did anyone ever ask Byron Preiss for more specific info on this, such as a copy of a newspaper article or the name of the person who allegedly found it?

Egbert–
My friend, who is actually my friend and not me, has not been drinking.  He was just looking over my material and had some ideas.  I valued them as a fresh perspective and figured they were no more intoxicated than many of the ideas we (including myself) have offered.  Notice that in spite of all this technology stuff, which was not available when this hunt started, we have all failed to uncover a single treasure.  What have WE been drinking?
–Johann

I’m just curious about the helmet (casque) with the point because I’ve seen the old photos/signs in the park and they all have a typical rounded casque. Even the one Ponce has on with his statue is the rounded style. And I get why the Conquistador had his left arm bent in that v-shape because that is how Ponce’s statue has his left arm. And if you stand on his left side you wouldn’t see his right arm on the statue since it is down by his side.

I understand what you mean about picking any US city and forcing items to match, but that is not what I’ve done.  I have simply stated that everything in the P (including the numerous times the state outline occurs) seems to point to FL.  I’m sure if I randomly chose a FL city, I could make it somehow fit.  What we need to do now is actually locate the city.

Unknown

Unknown:
..but saying the rock/mountain doesnt “resemble” the state is ludicrous…

just to be clear, the rock itself isn’t obviously FL-shaped, but the negative space it creates in the right half of the picture is most definitely FL-shaped.
Also to be clear, the palm tree is a palm tree because it is pictured as a palm tree.  The image (or as rbfox likes to abbreviate, the P) is pointing to Florida.
The point where we diverged is in the assumption that the word “palm” in a VERSE would necessarily link to a tree.  I still want to keep the discussion of verses and pictures separate.
The next step is to narrow it down to a particular city.  I think the pictures will all lead to a single city (if not a specific park or location in that city), and thus P6 must tell us more than just “florida”.
Saturday is rather filled for me, but *maybe* i can get those scans online on Sunday.

what if X marks the spot??
https://landmarkevents.org/assets/image … dpress.jpg

I have only talked in person with a local sheriff and the owner of the house across the street.  I sent an email to the person in charge of the site and so things are basically in a passive state of limbo.  I’ll start making phone calls if I don’t get a follow up soon.  I didn’t want to sound too pushy by saying “if it isn’t me, the it’ll be some one else…and pretty soon you’re pretty little park area will look like a large family of gophers just moved in.”
Its still a challenge to figure out the dig spot after getting to the general location.  30 years of change has only changed one thing, but its an important factor.  The trail goes completely cold if you don’t account for  construction after 1981.

erexere

I didn’t want to sound too pushy by saying “if it isn’t me, the it’ll be some one else…and pretty soon you’re pretty little park area will look like a large family of gophers just moved in.”

Not these days. The good thing about this treasure hunt is that after 30 yrs it’s become entirely non-competitive.  😉

I’m getting the idea that is the case, since no jewel exchange is expected to follow a casque recovery.  I’m only about 50 percent interested in doing this dig as it weighs heavily on my work and family balance when it comes to travel.  I’ve been doing so much Shoalin Shovel Training lateley that it would seem a waste if I didn’t personally do the digging.

You’ll probably need the verse to find it, though you didn’t seem too keen on V9/Florida. Is the location you’re considering for this image actually in Florida…?

Ugh..I just didn’t want to say so in blunt fashion, but I admit your inquest has me cornered.
I’m only asking for permission because V5 says to do so.  Now you won’t be done sweating me until I’ve confessed the entirety of my solution or produce physical proof.  I’m sure you and others are willing to consider huge departures in thought, but I’m trying hard for progress and fun and have no interest in negating anyone’s ideas, but very sorry if having a different position seems to do so.  I’ve only thoroughly read the Florida theory after producing a solution based on personal research I did on horseback in the early 90’s for a university geographic history program.  I think the FOY stuff is great and I wouldn’t begin to disreguard it without proof and id be a fool to not dig at an alternate site based on an alternate set of ideas.
Its tough to be diplomatic at times isn’t it?

Do you mean V5…? Hey, good luck with it, whatever it is! Just curious.  😉
(PS Please don’t worry about being diplomatic. We don’t do that here.)

2 days and still no word. Dig that bad boy up already!!!

*edited lots of rambling*
Let’s have more reconciling, recompiling, and reconnaisance.  If you see something you like, say so, if you see something you don’t understand, say so, if you find any good clear reason to dismiss a doubt, say so, then we will see progress.
I’ve been reading through a lot of posts, only barely half done, and I see a dramatic decline in positive response.  Of course attendence and frequency is way down right now, but in a few months after people have had time to check in, I hope something I’ve said has helped in some way.  Count me in.  I liked Trohn’s Carpe Dig’m.  Thanks again for the welcomes and feedback.

Are the numbers “3” “0” and “8” prominent in this image?  Never mind.  The “2” is the most obvious, left of that is a 8 shaped digit channeled by sides, which makes it any of the possible numbers that use a top, middle, and bottom bar like a 2, 5, 6, and 8 in terms of the classic calculator font.  To the left of that looks like a bold “1” with a slight fourty five degree bend in it.  I want to see it as a “122” when put all together…but that may be only because it fits the Portland lat/long of 45/122.

Its actually the name of the Timucuan Indian
Village
that the FOY parks sits on.  Not generalized to St. Augustine, but unique to FOY park.

I have been to the park and area around it at least 3 times since my last post in 2009. All of my time in the park as been documenting and taking pictures of just about every single square inch in and around the park. As a local north Floridian, I would very much appreciate an invite if anything ever progresses between our group and the owner and we are allowed to search again. But I just don’t see that ever happening again. Anyway, Stercox, if you ever hear anything, please let me know.
[email protected]
-Chris

There’s an older map of the Fountain of Youth Archaeological Park that some people have already posted here:
I think this map has some powerful clues, so I have a few questions about it:
– Does anyone know what year this map was made? (Would it still have been accurate in 1981?)
and
– In the lower left there’s an object marked as a “telescope.” Does anyone know anything about that? Are there old photographs that show it? I’m wondering whether it was some antique that was just on display or whether it was a functioning telescope that people could aim around and use.

It might be useful at this point to know what landmarks were there in the park in 1981 when the casque was buried.
Here’s the official (and current) map of the park:
In this view, east is up and north is left. Magnolia Avenue is at the bottom.
I’m pretty sure all these features were present in 1981:
1-5, 19, 20, 23, 24, 26, & 27
Here are the features that I know have changed:
– The church (9) was recently built where the duck pond or swan pond used to be.
– The watchtower (16), the riverwalk (18), and the events pavilion (21) are all very new.
– Somewhere between the pavilion (21) and the picnic area (25) there was once a fountain. Does anyone know if it’s still there?

To address the issue of privately owned park. On the signs at the ticket booth it says it is a National Archaeological Park so a lot of people get confused and think it is part of the National Park Service. They still get folks trying to use the golden age pass from the National Park Service. BP may not have known that it was private property since it has not been advertised as such.

Looking for the straight poles in the park, you would certainly find some electric poles, most palm trees show very little variation in width and at a certain angle, you could see the cross at the mission grounds as a tall straight pole. This picture is so abstract that you could make just about anything out of it! How about the handle of a 6 ft shovel?

Maybe this is an obvious question, but are there any tall, oddly-shaped rocks in the park with ponies and conquistadors on top? Preferably with rocky islands off in the distance?

forest_blight

Maybe this is an obvious question, but are there any tall, oddly-shaped rocks in the park with ponies and conquistadors on top? Preferably with rocky islands off in the distance?

DAMN!  Why didn’t I think to ask that !?
(Forest – That would earn a smite in my book – if we could still grant them.)

You know, while you’re asking about the rocks, why not see if there are any large arrow-shaped signs pointing to the ground with the words “Casque found here–dig down 3 feet” written on them.  Why fool around with trees and rocks? Go for the obvious.
c

I haven’t seen anyone put the latitude/longitude together in 1 post (although I could have missed it).  So, I’ll put in my 2 cents and point out that the 82 is pretty clear, as is the upside down 30 in the “cheek” of the mountain.  Those are the rough coordinates for St. Augustine.
Also, if you look at the palm tree in the lower right close-up, it certainly appears that the trunk is a straight pole, with no variation in width.  Is there a pole anywhere in the park, or anywhere outside the park within visual range?

Studied this image with some serious
thought last night and came away with some startling finds…
to summarized…
A positive link with (of all things) Verse 3
Found the following items…
A golf club
A man fly fishing
An photo of the burial site
Either ‘the coliseum’ or a lower mandible
And a face of an old man with a long beard
I do not have a location but I don’t think
it will be one that has been tossed around.

I’ve been taking another look at the bottom of Magnolia in St Augustine, which is where I think
verse 9
leads, trying to figure out where the casque might be. This is my latest thinking. (You won’t like it, I can tell you that now, but I thought I’d give cobock1 something to ponder when he visits.  ;))
This sixth image shows a star sapphire with its characteristic six-pointed star.
Consider a different six-pointed star:
This is a combination of the symbols for fire and water, upward and downward triangles, common enough in astrological circles. They combine to produce water vapour; hence all the clouds. The hydrant is water, and the cannon is fire. The gem is in the middle, following the Chicago pattern.
The horse’s leg, or “cannon bone”, has a mini-cannon shape echoing the main cannon sketch below it, and a marker pole to the left.
The flag indicates the way the verge opens out where the hydrant is, and the hydrant has a marker pole to the right.
I think the casque is between them.
Although the wall pillar is tempting, I’m guessing the Chicago casque was buried between the two reference points, away from the fence. (It would be useful to confirm this.) The reflected rock might be a further indicator. This would also fit in better with the “by a tree” theme.
Ponce’s arm reminds me of a cigarette. “Casque” means “helmet”.

Great, I just dropped her an email to ask if she’d look out for the casque…

Any idea where they may be digging? Is there anyone in FL that might stop by and look?

Uh oh…
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/rss/article/310303/3/Archaeological-team-digs-at-the-Fountain-of-Youth

WhiteRabbit

Looks like “TOY” reversed in the grass.
I guess people have considered the USS Constitution cannonballs, if they were there at the time…? Somewhere in sight of these perhaps.
“
Shell
, limestone…”
It’s still possible that it’s not within FOY but somewhere nearby, like the end of Ocean Ave shown here. We could take the foot of the tall tree to refer to the tree in the pic beside this matching part of the coastline (reversed).
I drove down Ocean Ave to check-out the possibilities. This tree is a just now becoming a tall palm. It was either not there or very small 32 years ago. There is an old stone wall running the length of the Mission Grounds. It has periodic gates that perhaps could have been green in1982 and considered a picket. There are two older palms as you walk away from Hospital Creek. They are both nestled in with many other trees. Empty lot across the street also has some palms. However, none stand alone.

You are right, Egbert, which is why I only said that the “green picket fence” might represent only the boundaries of FOY, and not an actual picket fence. Though, it is very hard to disregard that as a direct clue. I was just trying to throw some thoughts down. Glad to see you are still around.

I found the numbers 1838 hidden in the painting The year Indian King Osceola died. Also found an earlier version where two trees are reaching towards each other. I sense BP utilized flower boxes etc. So…is it a huge leap to think he buried the casque here?

Here’s the 1838 on a picket fence.

WilliamTater

I found the numbers 1838 hidden in the painting

Mark, No you didn’t, you found numbers and or shapes that your software artificially introduced into the image.
a space less than 3 mm x 1 mm which is really not enough space to pull out anything more than 15 halftone dots.
when you blew up the image your software needed to fill in the spaces, so basically it just made stuff up…

cw0909

here seems like an idea if yours dont pan out,if a guy in a maintenance uniform
was digging he prob would not be noticed,he would just be another worker
dig at williams street and san marco ave
http://tinyurl.com/5vkgxbm

After reading through all of the posts for image 6 and verse 9, this is the only comment I could find suggesting this location. After several investigative trips to the area, this location is now number one on my list. I am going to post all of my “confirms” for this spot, and would love to have feedback on why I may be wrong or right. I too drank the water at the FOY and it made me a girl. So, I do not want to dig a three foot deep hole unnecessarily.

thanks stercox, i was trying to find a bending branches,
as in fork/s in the lane,pathway, creek ect.i thought of
these type of bent branches too, didnt happen to see
a tree like these did you
http://www.trailtree.com/Tree.htm
when i read….moonlight in teardrops
makes me think of a refection in something
of a white, silver color, that would be very brite
i lived in fla.for 11 yrs, went to St. Augustine,
several times, but never went to that site.
in fact in the 80s i dont really remember seeing,
a sign, info ect. while in St. Augustine, about
the park[/quote
cw0909, since you suggested this sight back in 2012, and you suggested in 2009 that we look for this type of bent branch, my first confirm for this location is a tree that I believe matches what you are suggesting here. I assume you based your suggestion on this part of image 6:
Here is a photo I took of the tree that is on this lot:

I poked through the soil and all around the tree with a metal rod.  It is the tree that was in the corner of where the green picket fence meets the wall.  I thought I posted pictures somewhere, but I do not know how to post them any more.

In Image 6, in the lower right corner, the green areas below the reflection of the rock in the background remind me very strongly of a map section of the Intracoastal Waterway in Florida. Not sure
which
section, but it could show the north end of the section that has Anastasia State Park in it, southeast of FOY. (north would be to the left in the image here):

Unknown

Unknown:
I would like to invite consideration of Southern California (and the San Diego area in particular) as an alternative to the Florida theory.
2.  The SD area could match the latitude portion of the theory.
Maybe Balboa Park (including the zoo)?  One of it’s most famous features is an equestrian “El Cid” statue.
Any thoughts about the SD area?

I was just looking at San Diego myself for this pic, and like the idea of Balboa Park.  Vasco Núñez de Balboa was the first European to see the Pacific Ocean (from its eastern shore anyway).  The explorer on horseback at the top of this pic is facing west, as if he were on the eastern shore looking out over the Pacific.  There is a famous/popular statue of El Cid in this park (
http://www.ditona-beach.net/JPG/SanDieg … alboa3.jpg
) that bears some resemblance to the man & horse in the pic.

Unknown

Unknown:
I have always seen the ‘2’, and the area to its left could either be an ‘8’ or a ‘3’.  If we assume this is Florida, then ’32’ is too far north.  Therefore, if we use ’82’ that puts us in Tampa/St.Petersburg at 27N 82W.

There are only a few ‘large’ cities at 82W: Tampa/St. Pete, Columbus OH, Port Huron MI, and Greenville SC.  And for 32N, we have: Montgommery AL, Tuscon AZ, San Diego CA, Charleston SC, and Dallas TX.  I used
http://www.bcca.org/misc/qiblih/latlong_us.html
to look up coords for US cities and took the liberty of eliminating those that seemed unlikely or obscure.
Also, as much as it pains me to credit U. of Texas  :), they have a great map collection at
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/index.html
.

I’ll post them on my flickr account this evening or tomorrow. I’ve got them on one of my CDs. You can access my photos on the photos section my website
www.chrisbock.org

and look under any flagpole  ;D
did anyone check around the planetarium? stars could move by day…
http://flickr.com/photos/jaxlass/1625621180/

Aster flowers are native to the swampy Florida area:
https://flawildflowers.org/flower-frida … olinianum/
http://hawthornhillwildflowers.blogspot … ottii.html

iv been thinking on the  lack of reflection, from the tree
lets say the top of pg is north, so the sun is shining from the west
on the rock, if you look at the tree, youll see it is dark on the east side,
and the west side of tree is brite from sun falling on it, im thinking that would
leave the  reflection in the waterline at base of the rock, and blend into the
darkness of of the waterline. since the pic ends b4 you could see for sure
the tree leaves  shadow, spilling out from waterline and rock, we will never
know for sure i guess. also i could be totaly wrong too

i’m still thinking it’s closer to the entrance
the guy on horseback bothered me, but then i read where the king of spain ordered all voyages after columbus’ 1st voyage to carry horses, and then i found this photo (don’t worry about it being in madrid, lol)
which, i think it says, “this is the spot”
http://www.fotosearch.com/UNT247/u11947362/
so if we pretend the palm is the large cross that you can see from the southeast of the planetarium ( from one of stercox’s photos), and the rock the horse guy is on is the old fountain, wouldn’t it be somewhere close to the entrance?……then u could still hear the honking from the parking lot. ….. i’m still not clear where the goose pond is situated
is it possible that the rock in the water is the planetarium, i’m trying to draw a line from the cross, thru planetarium, thru fountain……..like that
but then, if the rock is the old fountain, and that’s the obelisk in the flag…….it’s probably right there behind the fence  by the obelisk………sorry, i go in circles

cormac asked about a green fence, under v-9 topic and ive gone on pic hunt
from stercox foy tour album, thought i would post under ramblings, since
this is what im doing
fence that maybe could be seen from small marker
http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/23 … 0493oUARuU
i think you could see fence/map
http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/24 … 0493UGsSsv
fence with a bending branch
http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/20 … 0493qzPJfr
the tree in post, not sure what is behind it
http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/27 … 0493GgbMPM
more bending branches near the obelisk and the green fence is there
though out of sight
http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/21 … 0493PaqCpl
im starting to think it maybe buried near ponce, as he seems to be
in the middle of, what seem to be confirmers, and the star on map,
near ponce and the archelogic dig site, is where this tree is i think
stercox could you confirm this tree is near ponce
http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/27 … 0493GgbMPM

cw0909

fence with a bending branch
http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/20 … 0493qzPJfr

Now, in this picture, wouldn’t an ideal spot to bury the casque be on the other side of that green fence?  It wouldn’t disturb the area around the obelisk and I am thinking actually wouldn’t even be noticed by park goers.

Behind bending branches
And a green picket fence
At the base of a tall tree
http://community.webshots.com/photo/ful … 0493oUARuU
ponce or obelisk
the trail tree behind sign
http://community.webshots.com/photo/ful … 0493LCqIwr
green fence in background, trail tree to the right out of pic
http://community.webshots.com/photo/ful … 0493zdxdTS
pic of stone and tall tree, not the small marker, not sure where
except stercox said on the way to ponce
http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/27 … 0493HSfaAP

Ok, forgive me guys but here is a HUGE stretch.  We all know that while BP was scouting the areas or burying the casques, he took photographs of things around the area or nearby which he then gave to JJP for the illustrations.  Now here is the huge stretch.  What if BP was at this site & took his pics of this area after a rainstorm {it is mentioned in the V} like this picture?  I bet that, without too much searching, you too will see our tree and rock.
http://community.webshots.com/photo/ful … 0493zdxdTS

i made stercox map a little bigger, this should help
with what is where and thier relationship, to each
area of the park

thanks cw0909!
that duck pond is straight toward ponce and the obelisk

Yeah, that coquina is all over the place in St. Augustine from what I’ve seen just researching. I’m sure you constantly see it burnstyle since you’ve lived there so long.

MrSeabass

Y’all might want to start a GoFundMe to help with your bail hearing when the NPS arrests you for digging at the fort.
Come on guys. BP was not stupid enough to bury something at a very historic and archaeologically rich enclosed fort. 99% of the signs point to the FOY park area.

MrSeabass, if you don’t think BP would bury something in a place like this then why would he say what he said in the last two lines of Verse 5? The entire St. Augustine area is like one huge historic and archaeological area. If it’s in FOY, then it’s in that type of area.
If I am the only 1% who believes all the clues that I’ve solved, so be it. I’ll be in the St. Augustine area in a couple years and I’ll check it out then.

MrBackstop

The entire St. Augustine area is like one huge historic and archaeological area.

That’s technically true… but some places are more protected than others. The fort is actually less protected than the fountain of youth. They let you get away with a lot there… Hell sometimes we steal their power, hook up a projector and play mario on the side of it.
https://imgur.com/fwrViei
You can get permission to dig at the fort pretty easily. You just have to fill out a form and jump through some hoops.

MrBackstop

Shell, limestone, silver, salt (Construction materials and contents of the Castillo)

Those are direct quotations from two signs in FOY, like the SELOY acronym. There’s no way the verse is describing anywhere but FOY. Anything else is obfuscation.

I understand that you guys have put alot of time, effort, and emotion into solving this hunt. Therefore, I am not surprised that when someone new comes along and offers a different perspective other than your own you are inclined to automatically reject it in such an arrogant and snobbish way. It’s ok though, no hard feelings. But I do have one question. How can your theories be “almost basically confirmed”? If something is confirmed, there cannot be any doubt about it. Almost confirmed? lol
I think it’s fair to say that the finding of a casque is the only measure of confirmation.

Oh, and concerning your Hermann Park theory…….
The park is named after its donar, George Hermann, and has nothing to do with Herman Melville, the spelling isn’t even the same. And that’s your “most solid” evidence? Sounds like a real stretch to me. But hey, good luck with it!

We never said the park was named after Melville….nor did we claim that they were spelled the same.  The QUOTE by Melville, coupled with ALL of the other confirmers discussed ad nauseum throughout the past who knows how many pages {perhaps you haven’t read up as you claim} leads us to Hermann Park.  This park was CONFIRMED to be THE park by BP himself before he passed away.  I really don’t think this one is a “real stretch” at all…but hey, good luck anyways.

slappybuns

has anyone poked around ponce de leon yet??????????!!!!!!!!!

We poked him just yesterday, but he’s still dead.

This is an oblisk monument, a marker where the Spaniard came ashore.  It matches the icon on the conquistador’s flag in the drawing.  There is not alligator pen at FOY.

edited for apology for missing stercox work
a big sorry stercox i didnt go far enough back in the threads
http://www.quest4treasure.co.uk/forum/i … ic=1130.15
i did a quick look see for this info in threads not sure if it
was mentioned, sorry if it was
i may have found a connection to these lines of verse v-9
check out the stuff below
Stars move by day
Sails pass by night
Even in darkness
Stars move by day
(2) The Planetarium. This is one of the best (and one of the most informative) attractions offered at
the Fountain of Youth Park. Visitors enjoy a plunge into darkness as early Spanish voyages are discussed
and stars shine brightly around the room. The exhibit teaches about early navigation and explains how the
skies would have looked when the first explorers arrived. Small children might not like the darkness but
older kids and adults, especially those who love astronomy and science, should find the exhibit very
interesting. Those considering the Planetarium should also visit the Discovery Globe, another attraction
viewed entirely in the dark.
link to above
http://www.associatedcontent.com/articl … cover.html
Sails pass by night
a link to a review of the Discovery Globe
Another exhibit I didn’t manage to catch is the Discovery Globe. I wish I had, it sounds interesting:
“In an amazing 8 minute presentation visitors are immersed in total darkness ad with the aid of an
immense two story globe and black light, the journeys of the early explorers and other items of
historical importance are mapped out.”
http://www.great-florida-vacations.com/ … youth.html
one more /Shell, limestone, silver, salt
The Salt Cellar: Displayed in the Spring House is an exact Pewter reproduction of a Salt Cellar which
was discovered in 1904 by Dr. Louella Day MacConnell. The Salt Cellar is believed to have been a gift to
Ponce de Leon from Columbus in commemoration of their 1493 voyage across the Atlantic together.
http://www.great-florida-vacations.com/ … youth.html
and maybe the rock and tree is in one of the dioramas
http://members.virtualtourist.com/m/p/m/32c732/
stercox thanks for info and i figuered out the pit was else where

cw0909 – all this was mentioned before. In fact, most of these are our best working hypotheses.

except the alligator skin idea cw, that’s original i think
haven’t had much time to research, still reading everyone’s posts when i can.
and i don’t remember that about the obelisk being the symbol in the flag, thanks for mentioning it stercox.

slappybuns

cw0909 mentioning the alligator farm made me think of alligator tears, same as crocodile tears………and the verse says: like moonlight in teardrops
but yes, they are fake tears meant to deceive

That border wall has millions of imbedded shell pieces.
(Like moonlight kn teardrops )
I believe that the spot is at the corner of the green picket fence and that
border wall along Magnolia.  This would coincide to the inside of the park where the
exit lane would be located.

well, that picture Mark posted gives you a spot to dig…
wilhouse

Where?  Still can’t find the pic.

What pix?? Where is it posted.  I saw Mark’s post above, but no pix??  help

It’s gone. It was there (honest). Perhaps it disappeared when Mark logged off.
Mark P, any help here?
wilhouse

You need to be logged into Yahoo!Groups to see the image.  My session gives me
THIS URL
but it’s better if you just go to the group, select FILES from the side menu, and click on map6.jpg at the bottom of the list (Fountain of Youth Map Overlayed on Image 6).

Aw heck, wilhouse’s post is still accurate even if Mark’s picture doesn’t come up at all…
Get it?

Wow! what are the odds that that section of the coast of florida would also work as a piece of the park outline! BP had to do some thinking on this one!!!
What verse is the one that goes with this picture?

Hmmm I posted a link but maybe it’s only valid when I’m logged on.
The path looks sort of temporary.
You’ll just have to look for yourself on groups, or I could copy it to q4t.
Mark

cw0909

stercox thank you for the detailed reply and….
stercox you say there is a green fence,  near the gift shop that angles out to the waters edge through very thick underbrush,
how close is this to the planetarium, and other objects mentioned in the threads
would you have a map of the park, that shows the relationship to each of the mentioned stuff
walls, globe, gift shop, planetarium, fences,sign, ect.
would there be flood lights pointing at any of walls, or anything that would shine like moonlite
in teardrops/ moonlite=lite, teardrops=wet,water
one other thing i read about a shipwreck exhibit, somewhere would could that be,
The first chapter
Written in water
is the exhibit near water
another idea for bending branches, thought this when u mentioned underbrush
underbrush as in bending branches
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mikeculliv … 090955065/
went back to the parks website and found this, would anyone know where this is in the park,
found on the wedding calendar pg, the tree and branch looks like my above post on trail trees
which there are many in fla.
http://www.fountainofyouthflorida.com/calendars.html
i think this is tree from above link

No the green fence by the gift shop the angles out toward the water is quite a distance from the planetarium.
There is lighting in the park but most of it in the form of post lighting, nothing fancy.
There are old cannons scattered around the property, but no ship wreck exhibit there.
This tree is between the many public buildings and the large archeological site where the archeologist do their digs.  Looks like a large open field, and this tree would be at the head of the field with a line of palms at the other end near the water.  And I do not recall this tree at all–I suspect that this may be an old picture perhaps??

http://community.webshots.com/user/stercox
This is all the stuff I have on this.  I think that there is a map that can help orient you.  Hopefully the short cut works.

stercox, that very first picture of the entrance, with the sign and picket fence…….how about that area, right there around the sign?  the honking could be the parking lot…….the sign has the men with wind rose (sailors), and talks about the indians……..
i had a thought about the last line, about it not being important or that it’s just stressing the “fountain of youth”:
years pass…….just talking about our youth
rain falls—-the fountain
if i recall right, the last sentence in verse 12 wasn’t necessary for the solve (brush and music. hush.)……..

I take it back–reviewing some of my old pictures—that tree is in them.  Hope this helps.

You can still hear the honking
I was thinking near the road or parking lot… but there is also a  Duck & Goose Pond

Unknown

Unknown:
years pass…….just talking about our youth
rain falls—-the fountain

That’s an interesting read on that line, slappy. Don’t forget also that the last few lines are an acrostic for SELOY, which BP would not have known about had he not actually entered the FOY park. He also probably would not have mentioned “Shell, limestone, silver, salt” or referred obliquely to the planetarium had he not spent a good deal of time *in* the park reading plaques, watching the show, etc. Also, the men with the wind rose and the fences are IN the park, not by the front gate. This casque is definitely inside FOY, not outside it.

ScientiaVeritasEtLux

hm, St. Augustine? Despite the SELOY connection I feel like this location doesn’t match with the long/lat coordinates in the picture, which are 82/83. I think this would imply that the location should be in the area of Tampa, St. Petersburg, or Clearwater. This area is a better known port area than St. Augustine too.
But I’ll look back at the previous posts and see what people have said about St. Augustine (will probably take me a while though).
~Erik

This fits with the text of the book more than St. Augustine area. The Clearwater area is a better place to start.
This confirms with the text comments about the Immigrants. “Southern shores, where Iberian Hadas were greeted by the Timuca and Calusa.” pg 22 –
In 1513 (May) Ponce de Leon encountered the Calusa Indians while exploring the Gulf coast of Fl near Charlotte Harbor (Mound Key).
The Timuca were North Florida tribes and territory stopped where it met the Calusa territory at Tampa area.
The Calusa territory was not on the East coast and didn’t go as far north as FOY so I think that theory is incorrect.
http://www.native-languages.org/images/florida.jpg
Other book clues:
“For slow centuries, the exotic Dracs and Fads from the Riviera had sported and dozed on the beaches of newfound Florida. perhaps the metal clashing landfall of the conquistadores took them by surprise, and they fled without taking the time to disenchant their Fountain of Youth.” pg 30
This is another clue, I think Ponce De Leon was based out of Cuba and mostly made his way to Florida by way of the Gulf.
“Forsaking the suntanned Riviera, water Dracs, playful-as-porpoises, and the languid, amorous Fadas found contentment upon the hot southern shores of the New World, amidst pink, long-legged birds and high, swaying palms.” Busch Gardens is the only place in Florida that I know of where there are Flamingos. An amusement park of this kind could have or could have had the elements in the picture and changed with the exhibits. No that I’m saying it in a theme park but elements around tourist spots change a lot of the years.

boogieman

Are we still going with V9 on this one?  I will be in FLA for the next 5 days.  How far is it from Daytona?  I figure, why not practice for my JPJ dig in Brooklyn. LOL

“first chapter written in water”
is directly from the fountain of youth state
park entrance sign.
“years pass, rains falls”
sounds like the passing of time – aging-
searching for it….

The gate is in SA proper, I do not recall exactly where but–I think on Ponce De Leon Drive.  The second photo is not at Anastasia, its at the tickeoffice at the Fountain of Youth Park.  I have a picture of me with that dude from my last visit.  I do still contend that casque site is within this park.  There is another statue of Ponce in the park itself that looks similar.  And yet another statue of Ponce downtown near Flagler College.  He’s everywhere I think.

Are we still going with V9 on this one?  I will be in FLA for the next 5 days.  How far is it from Daytona?  I figure, why not practice for my JPJ dig in Brooklyn. LOL

close…it does say “first chapter” but nothing about being written in water.
“And a green picket fence
At the base of a tall tree”          is this fence green?
looks like a nice secretive place to bury a casque
I was really hoping to find the banner PDL is carrying in the P…the pinkish circular thing must be something.  I did find this pic at FoYP and the colors are the same:
A lot of V9 does indeed fit very nicely w/ this P.  Are we hot on the trail of another casque?  I sure hope so….

fox

close…it does say “first chapter” but nothing about being written in water.

Not so fast my friend…
It says “first chapter” on a
Fountain
of Youth sign.

yes.. I was by no means discounting this… I believe it to be correct..however it would be more correct if the V said first chapter written ON water
And if PDL isnt considered a man w/ windrose, I will eat my hat.

Check out the background trees…
Looks like a good match (not that it would be a
unique match)
http://www.worldofstock.com/closeups/PWO2160.php
Also, as previously reported, digging here
is very much controlled.

that is the only thing that bothers me about this site….. could BP have actually buried something here 20 years ago (w/ or w/o permission) and now, 20 years later, will we even be able to dig here?

fox

that is the only thing that bothers me about this site….. could BP have actually buried something here 20 years ago (w/ or w/o permission) and now, 20 years later, will we even be able to dig here?

My thought, although I am not sold, is that we would be
across the canal from St Augustine somewhere on
Anastasia Island (almost is the shape of the image).
But, two things stop me from liking this –
the image shows the ‘island’ in the background
(not where the jewel is) and the verse
indicates being where the explorers were.
I am convinced that BP buried one twenty five feet
inside a national park in South Carolina (but there he indicated you
would need permission to retrieve).
Who knows.

GoldenMartyr

Whatchu talkin bout WilliamTater?

This thread was started in 2003..16 years ago. Time for new perspectives, new interpretations. Otherwise it’s nothing more than an online children’s playroom.

WilliamTater

This thread was started in 2003..16 years ago. Time for new perspectives, new interpretations. Otherwise it’s nothing more than an online children’s playroom.

Ok, let me try again. What are you talking about in your above two posts WilliamTater?

SELOY

What is the artist hiding?