Can you post some pictures of the clock and the bridge etc? I’d love to look into this but not familiar with the bridge that the statue use to be.

The bend in the river at louis Armstrong park is the right side of the sleeve.
https://www.google.com/maps/@29.9449487,-90.0315502,14z
http://www.magazineusa.com/images_st2/l … trong1.jpg
Arch matches the arch above preservation
http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/ … 3328ea.jpg
Matches the mask especially at night

http://musicrising.tulane.edu/uploads/o … 47854.jpeg
Sound of friends fill the afternoon air(Congo Square is inside the park)
https://www.google.com/maps/@29.9621407 … a=!3m1!1e3
Louis (Park) St. Ann St. are the namesakes meeting near the site. St. Ann runs right through the arch which is located right at where the statue of louis Armstrong was located.
https://www.google.com/maps/@29.9627826 … a=!3m1!1e3
Clock
This is all approximates because I doubt he had google maps at the time. lol
The red semi circle is the fountain feature in the middle of the lagoon I am looking at. Match it to the inside of the clock with the boy dressed like louis in the post above.
I think the marks represents the bridges. The clock is cutoff by the mask and the lagoon looks like the clock that we can see. The Theater is where the mask is. The building between the bridges called Perseverance Hall which matches with Preservation. I think arrows refer to the paths that go around the lake. I think the second hand pointing to the III is pointing to the bridge in the next link. I think 3 stand watch could me the III on the clock that the second hand is pointing to or it could mean the 3 cypress trees at the base of the bridge.
https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.65sb … Fj&pid=Api
Fays Delight and 21 from end to end(lights on bridge) and 15 rows to the ground is the lattice work.
You are looking at this bridge when you are in that little patch of grass on the back side of the bridge. The Louis Armstrong statue was located across from this bridge in 1980.
http://fthmb.tqn.com/Q2P46cA_AUdpFh6U5tzUmA9KC1o=/640×0/filters:no_upscale()/about/armstrongparkbridge-56a3f51d5f9b58b7d0d4a9fb.JPG
I think this is the top of the clock and is the main thing you see when digging on the patch of grass behind the bridge with 21 lights from end to end. It is the last aha moment before you dig.
I also think he gave a clue when he said st. Louid online. I think he was very meticulous and meant lowercase st because he was not technically a saint and that Louid was for Louis Daniel Armstrong instead of a mistype.

Kaowheat10

The bend in the river at louis Armstrong park is the right side of the sleeve.
https://www.google.com/maps/@29.9449487,-90.0315502,14z
http://www.magazineusa.com/images_st2/l … trong1.jpg
Arch matches the arch above preservation
http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/ … 3328ea.jpg
Matches the mask especially at night
http://musicrising.tulane.edu/uploads/o … 47854.jpeg
Sound of friends fill the afternoon air(Congo Square is inside the park)
https://www.google.com/maps/@29.9621407 … a=!3m1!1e3
Louis (Park) St. Ann St. are the namesakes meeting near the site. St. Ann runs right through the arch which is located right at where the statue of louis Armstrong was located.
https://www.google.com/maps/@29.9627826 … a=!3m1!1e3
Clock
This is all approximates because I doubt he had google maps at the time. lol
The red semi circle is the fountain feature in the middle of the lagoon I am looking at. Match it to the inside of the clock with the boy dressed like louis in the post above.
I think the marks represents the bridges. The clock is cutoff by the mask and the lagoon looks like the clock that we can see. The Theater is where the mask is. The building between the bridges called Perseverance Hall. I think arrows refer to the paths that go around the lake. I think the second hand pointing to the III is pointing to this bridge. I think 3 stand watch could me the III on the clock that the second hand is pointing to or the 3 cypress trees at the base of the bridge.
https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.65sb … Fj&pid=Api
Fays Delight and 21 from end to end(lights on bridge) and 15 rows to the ground is the lattice work.
You are looking at this bridge when you are in that little patch of grass on the back side of the bridge. The Louis Armstrong statue was located across from this bridge in 1980.
http://fthmb.tqn.com/Q2P46cA_AUdpFh6U5t … o_upscale(
)/about/armstrongparkbridge-56a3f51d5f9b58b7d0d4a9fb.JPG
I think this is the top of the clock
I also think he gave a clue when he said st. Louid online. I think he was very meticulous and meant lowercase st because he was not technically a saint and that Louid was for Louis Daniel Armstrong instead of a mistype.

Are you in the NOLA area? Have you met up with Dambala? He’s local and shares your enthusiasm for Armstrong Park.

Nope. I live about 4 hours away. I have seen his stuff and I think I actually saw him walking the park the day we dug. I think we are arriving at the same general location by different methods. I am obviously open to sharing.
I really regret the spot we dug though. When we got there it had been raining heavily. About where the 15th row would have hit the ground facing the bridge but about 5 to 10 feet away from the base, was an indention/small crater. We ask the worker what that was and he said it had been there for as long as he could remember. I thought maybe the casque had collapsed and left the small indention that wasn’t really noticeable when it was dry. We probed down about 2 1/2 feet and had a definite hit. We could not get the hit to occur when we got about a foot away in all directions. We probed near the base of the bridge and felt hits too. We only had permission for 1 hole, the adrenaline was pumping, and made the choice of the indention. We hit a pipe… lol If the indention wasn’t there, I would have never chose that spot. If it is in that patch of grass on the back side of that bridge(and I could totally be off base), I am ok with whoever digs it up.

This is how you dig in the rain.
https://youtu.be/RRzTTE41a8M?t=10s

Kaowheat10

Nope. I live about 4 hours away. I have seen his stuff and I think I actually saw him walking the park the day we dug. I think we are arriving at the same general location by different methods. I am obviously open to sharing.
I really regret the spot we dug though. When we got there it had been raining heavily. About where the 15th row would have hit the ground facing the bridge but about 5 to 10 feet away from the base, was an indention/small crater. We ask the worker what that was and he said it had been there for as long as he could remember. I thought maybe the casque had collapsed and left the small indention that wasn’t really noticeable when it was dry. We probed down about 2 1/2 feet and had a definite hit. We could not get the hit to occur when we got about a foot away in all directions. We probed near the base of the bridge and felt hits too. We only had permission for 1 hole, the adrenaline was pumping, and made the choice of the indention. We hit a pipe… lol If the indention wasn’t there, I would have never chose that spot. If it is in that patch of grass on the back side of that bridge(and I could totally be off base), I am ok with whoever digs it up.

Bummer. Hey, four hours is not a bad drive, well in Texas terms at least.

We weren’t far away from that video. lol
I am on the Louisiana/texas border so I know all about those long drives too.

Howardjthomas

The Armstrong park area is surrounded by public housing. It was worse before Katrina. I’ve been to NOLA Dozens of times a a Louisiana Native but never to the park. Pre-katrina very bad area. I have been since much inproved.

b..b..but the sound of friends fills the air!?

Thanks. We had the most fun this week. I am hoping someone takes this and has that one last aha moment that I am missing.

Great job getting permission and digging. Not many will get that far.
How are eagles related to fairies and gnomes?

Sorry. We were typing it on the way back from New Orleans and we were not clear. There are a lot of pictures with a fairy and an eagle. Kinda common. I think it is because of the winged creatures. To tell the truth, the eagle statue actually looks like a fairy with its wings up. When you are there, you look and immediately say “well, there is the fairy” lol.
Gnomes- I was never truly satisfied with this and was hoping someone could fill in this gap. There are tons of hill overlooking this lagoon which is rare in New Orleans. I thought he could be saying that is their home. Also, we read they were friends with animals. I also thought he could be referring back to his books and the creatures in it. Flimsy, I know.
I am in no way saying I am 100% there or claiming to have “solved” it. It was difficult because the park has had renovations and finding what was actually there in the early 80s. Again, any help, criticism, or ideas are definitely welcome.

Gnomes admire there jewels. Gnomes jewels are opal. Opal looks a lot like stained glass. So stained glass might help.

I don’t believe an object would be admired. A great person would make sense as someone to admire.

Howardjthomas

Gnomes admire there jewels. Gnomes jewels are opal. Opal looks a lot like stained glass. So stained glass might help.

Gnomes also live underground. So it’s natural that gnomes would admire a buried jewel.
There is an unclear antecedent there: “Their namesakes.” “Their” could refer just to “Fays” or to “fays and gnomes.” I’m wondering if it just refers to Fays, like where LAfayette street meets the square as mentioned by many posters. Then, Preiss just threw in the gnome line to make things a bit more unclear.

erexere

I don’t believe an object would be admired. A great person would make sense as someone to admire.

The thesaurus shows value and treasure for admire. Both used in THE LITANY
OF THE JEWELS.
http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/admire

Admiration = “look up to someone”.
Gnomes are so small they look up to anything taller than a boot.

Again, everything with a gnome was just trying to make it fit. There was nothing obvious to me. Thanks for the help.
I am curious what y’all think of the rest of our stuff. Do you think we are just grasping for straws or does it seem plausible?

erexere

Admiration = “look up to someone”.
Gnomes are so small they look up to anything taller than a boot.

If you Google “admire definition” the first definition is “to regard (an object, quality, or person) with respect or warm approval.”

Maybe gnomish culture is all about admiring tiny things then.

Kaowheat10

Again, everything with a gnome was just trying to make it fit. There was nothing obvious to me. Thanks for the help.
I am curious what y’all think of the rest of our stuff. Do you think we are just grasping for straws or does it seem plausible?

I am of the opinion that it is not in Armstrong Park. I believe this for a number of reasons.
1. The park was either under construction, or brand new in 1980-1.
2. It doesn’t really fit with the theme of the book with the Fair People.
3. While Louis Armstrong was important, the park and grounds do not have the history that other areas of the city do. Congo Square perhaps does, but I doubt it’s buried there either.
4. It’s not in the safest area of town, especially when BP visited. Remember, he was a stranger in a strange land.
5. It seems to me that people have forced the verses and image to fit the theory of Armstrong Park.
gManTexas

erexere

Maybe gnomish culture is all about admiring tiny things then.

Haha. You ever seen that King of the Hill with the gnome culture people? I’m scared to go down the gnome lore rabbit hole without beer.

I have mixed views on that. Armstrong’s link to the puzzle is without question. How the clue is applied is up for debate. The statue in Armstrong Park is a fairly good fit just like the Bowman in Chicago or the Wall in Cleveland. The Chicago casque was found at a great distance from the Bowman…

I thought that the park was created in the 60s and had the 1st Jazz fest in the 70s. Renovations weren’t until later. To me, Congo Square screamed immigration and is literally right there. It was the birth place of Jazz. Part of Treme was demolished to build it. I will 100% agree that it is not in the best part of town.
I definitely appreciate the feedback and could understand how two reasonable people can come to different conclusions with these clues. I am in no way trying to change people’s minds or saying I am 100% right. No one can be sure until it comes out of the ground. Again, thanks.

Unknown

Unknown:
No one can be sure until it comes out of the ground.

Considering that we still argue over certain aspects of the Chicago and Cleveland solves, don’t expect the debate to be settled even then.

The Armstrong park area is surrounded by public housing. It was worse before Katrina. I’ve been to NOLA Dozens of times a a Louisiana Native but never to the park. Pre-katrina very bad area. I have been since much inproved.

Has anyone searched
Lee
circle
. Its 15 steps down. I was looking at old pictures it looked like it had close to 21 trees and general
Lee
looks like a gnome atop that marble

Has anyone searched Lee circle. Its 15 steps down. I was looking at old pictures it looked like it had close to 21 trees and general Lee looks like a gnome atop that marble

bpa73j

it had close to 21 trees and general
Lee
looks like a gnome

that’s really something….
welcome to NOLALALAND

bpa73j

it had close to 21 trees and general Lee looks like a gnome

that’s really something….
welcome to NOLALALAND

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/or … c0e0d1.jpg
I am not sure if this has been said on here before and if it has, i apologize but this pic of Louis Armstrong from Life on his European tour looks an awful lot like the boy on the clock. Not trying to make it fit but just wanted to point it out.

Sorry, I took a couple of weeks off to clear my head of this.lol
From my original post:
“One other point, now looking back at the face of the clock if you line up the bridge with the dark line where the second hand is pointing at the III, the lighter shaded lines line up with those three bridges. Perseverance Building in the park lines up with Preservation on the clock face. The aquaduct fountain inside the lagoon matches up with the arch connecting the boy’s hand and foot. The turquoise gem that is under the arch in the picture could represent it being under a bridge.”
The layout of the lagoon does mirror the clock as stated above especially when you realize that a portion of the clock is covered by the mask. Googled Theatre masks and it definitely resembles the pictures. The Mahalia Jackson theater is where the theater mask is located if you layout the clock over the lagoon.
I still think it is at the base of the wooden bridge on the lagoon where the III on the clock(possible 3 stand watch) is located and the location of Louis Armstrong statue overlooked in the 80s. The second hand points to it and the only dark line on the clock is there. There are 21 lights on the arch of the wooden bridge and the lattice work makes 15 rows down to the ground. We felt multiple things in that patch of grass but only had permission for one dig. Also, I keep coming back to that white bridge that from the wooden bridge looks exactly like the top of the clock.

We put shovel to ground today in Louis Armstrong Park in New Orleans…and hit a pipe. We had many hits, but only got permission for one dig. We wanted to share our thoughts in order to maybe help someone else.
Here we go…
The mask is obviously Louis Armstrong’s face. The latitude and longitude still match Armstrong Park. The sleeve of the character forms the Mississippi River. His intention of the book was to focus on immigration, Congo Square is one of the most famous immigration sites in NOLA. We believe the clue BP gave Johann “st. Louid” was not a typo but another clue. The “s” was lowercase meaning not truly a Saint, and “Louid” refers to Louis Daniel Armstrong.
With the other two solved puzzles his pattern was the picture gets you to city/Park, verse leads you to the casque. The numbers in the verse lead you to where to dig. The other words show monuments or landmarks close by. At the dig site you find something that come full circle back to something shown in the picture.
So now the verse. Let’s split into two parts. (Cleveland showed steps first then gave details about the park) Start at the middle.
As the sound of friends fills the afternoon hours here a sovereign people who build palaces to shelter their heads for a night: We believe that this refers to Congo Square. On the plaque the words say that the slaves would congregate on Sunday afternoons in the square to play music and dance which is the origin of Jazz. We also believe the sovereign people could be related to the Houmas Indians who are also associated with the Congo Square area.
Gnomes admire, fays delight: There is an eagle statue that overlooks the lagoon in Louis Armstrong Park. Eagles are often associated with fays and gnomes.
The namesakes meeting near this site: We originally thought he could be referring to the Armstrong statue that was originally located where the French Opera statue is located now, but noticed that namesakes was plural and not possessive, so we tossed that idea. After looking at a map, we noticed that St. Ann Street runs straight through the Armstrong Arch, and forms “Louisann” which we think tells us Louisiana, the namesake of the state.
So back the the first part. This is where we think he is telling us how to get to the casque.
At the place where jewels abound: Two theories on the sentence. Congo is one of the top porducer of jewels in the world, or there is a bridge right beind the original placement of Louis Armstrong Statue and the Eagle statue that has an arch with lights that when lit look like jewels.
Fifteen rows down to the ground in the middle of twenty-one from end to end:This is where we think he is directing us to the casque. On that same bridge, there are 21 lights from end to end. Find the middle of the the twenty-one then count 15 rows of the lattice work on the bridge that point down to the ground and then dig! We also noticed that lattice work resembles the checkerboard in the background.
Only three stand watch: Two theories again. One the front side of the bridge there are three cypress trees. On the back side there are 3 bridges within view. We feel like it is on the back side in a little patch of grass. The a-ha moment is when we stand at that point on the backside of the bridge (which would be a good place to hide it) and the white bridge on the left looks just like the top of the clock.
We prodded that area and felt several hits, but were only given permission to dig once and went with our gut.
One other point, now looking back at the face of the clock if you line up the bridge with the dark line where the second hand is pointing at the III, the lighter shaded lines line up with those three bridges. Perseverance Building in the park lines up with Preservation on the clock face. The aquaduct fountain inside the lagoon matches up with the arch connecting the boy’s hand and foot. The turquoise gem that is under the arch in the picture could represent it being under a bridge.
We don’t think it is on the front of the lighted bridge, but if it is the roots of the Cypress trees would make it almost impossible to dig.
We got permission, took a chance, and came up empty. We live 4 hours away, and this was our one shot. If anyone wants to piggy back off of our ideas or give suggestions please do so! We just want it found! We think that the solved puzzles are very literal. He said what he meant. If he said steps, he actually meant to walk or stairs, so let’s not try and overthink it. Let us know what you think!

Thanks for sharing your experience and efforts!

Hey, well done for coming up with a theory, getting permission, and breaking ground. Kudos.
If someone comes up with an idea for a park they like, I would suggest they don’t worry too much about reverse-engineering the puzzle to get to the general area. The first casque-finders didn’t solve all the clues correctly, but it didn’t matter. Concentrate on narrowing it down. Armstrong Park, City Park, Jackson Square, Lafayette Square – all very plausible, but it’s the specific location that’s a problem.

what if it is not 19 but 61

I thought of that. Abandoned the idea later.

Repeating myself here, but the long/lat pairs and reversals are well-established in other images. I don’t know why people keep questioning this one. Am I missing something?
Eg, Image 4, you have 14, 42, 18, 81, which get you to Cleveland. (14 reversed is 41, which gives you the 41,42 pair.)
In Image 7, you have 19, 29, 90, which get you to New Orleans. (19 reversed is 91, which gives you the 90, 91 pair.)
People don’t keep hammering on about the 14, after all.

gManTexas

I will double check my figuring…
you are probably right.

Everyone knows the 29 and 90 but I never had or heard an explanation for the 19. Then I thought, i wonder how many hits Louis Armstrong had……
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Armstrong
(Listed under Hits and Career) says he had 19 career top ten hits. Not saying that is 100% what the 19 means but that is a strange coincidence. Just thought I would share.

my theory of the 1 9 involves the fact that all the other numbers are exactly on the same level
but the 9 is not on the same level as the 1 making me think they are separate numbers
so in conjunction with the 29 and 90
29.1 29.9
90.1 90.9
create a box around NOLA from lake ponchartrain to the ocean.

maltedfalcon

my theory of the 1 9 involves the fact that all the other numbers are exactly on the same level
but the 9 is not on the same level as the 1 making me think they are separate numbers
so in conjunction with the 29 and 90
29.1 29.9
90.1 90.9
create a box around NOLA from lake ponchartrain to the ocean.

Good eye, the 1 and 9 do seem to be offset.
I really like this idea, although unless I am doing something wrong, it does not work for me. It seems to form a box just south of New Orleans.

while you are right about his intent to focus on immigration. it was the French and not the slaves.

The “19” is for the man Lafayette himself. He was made Master General at age 19 when he came over here to fight.

15 rows down to the ground refers to 15 row houses down to the ground (Lafayette Square).

Your right I haven’t done much on image 7 or any other images. Im just starting out here. Fresh Eyes
But here is my thinking.
There use to be 21 trees in a
circle
and in the Midle is
Lee
(middle of 21)
Its literally 15 steps(rows) down to the bottom (ground)
A famous hotel is built there in
lee
Circle
(shelter)
General
Lee
is looking towards St. Charles Avenue(Gnomes Admire)
Dryades Street and Cours de Naides (now St Charles Avenue) were named after wood and water sprites respectively. They originate @
Lee
Circle
. (Fays Delight)

Your right I haven’t done much on image 7 or any other images. Im just starting out here. Fresh Eyes
But here is my thinking.
There use to be 21 trees in a circle and in the Midle is Lee(middle of 21)
Its literally 15 steps(rows) down to the bottom (ground)
A famous hotel is built there in lee Circle (shelter)
General Lee is looking towards St. Charles Avenue(Gnomes Admire)
Dryades Street and Cours de Naides (now St Charles Avenue) were named after wood and water sprites respectively. They originate @ Lee Circle. (Fays Delight)

Dambala, I know you have different ideas about the final location in/around LAP and I totally understand why. However, when you are at the park trying out your location and if you have about 5 minutes, please go to the backside of that wooden bridge with 21 lights and look around. See if you see the same things I am. I totally understand if you don’t but I would love to have some different/skeptical eyes on what I am looking at. We are getting to the same general place even if by different means but we seem to be the 2 focusing on this area at this time.
Thanks

Kaowheat10

Dambala, I know you have different ideas about the final location in/around LAP and I totally understand why. However, when you are at the park trying out your location and if you have about 5 minutes, please go to the backside of that wooden bridge with 21 lights and look around. See if you see the same things I am. I totally understand if you don’t but I would love to have some different/skeptical eyes on what I am looking at. We are getting to the same general place even if by different means but we seem to be the 2 focusing on this area at this time.
Thanks

I think you’re in the general area but I think I’ve found the exact area. I firmly believe I have but people get really pissed on this site when you say that so….maybe I haven’t.
I”m doing some further work then I’m going to request a dig in the coming weeks.

Unknown

Unknown:
I firmly believe I have

That’s what it takes to dig a hole. But if you want the quiet all the naysayers, you need to pull it out of the ground. Nothing else will do. Again, the best of luck to you.

Euhirudinea

That’s what it takes to dig a hole. But if you want the quiet all the naysayers, you need to pull it out of the ground. Nothing else will do. Again, the best of luck to you.

Yuppers…I hear you, man. Good luck to you!

Dambala

I firmly believe I have but people get really pissed on this site when you say that so….maybe I haven’t. .

Absolutely not! No! I personally have discovered the exact site of the SF casque at least 30 times…. but that doesn’t mean I won’t keep trying
You can say that all you want. but if you prove yourself wrong, most of us quit insisting we are right and others are just dumb…
Good Luck on your dig!

JoshCornell1

the whole entire first half of this puzzle relates to louis armstrong, but only the first couple clues relate to the park itself.

Josh if I show you why you’re wrong and where it is will
You send me 1000 bucks?

MrBackstop

15 rows down to the ground refers to 15 row houses down to the ground (Lafayette Square).

How many years has it been maybe it’s not Lafayette Square, and no where in the text does it say Lafayette Square. We all are making our best guess. So instead of shooting down suggestions how about thinking about taking in the suggestions

http://quest4treasure.co.uk/phpbb3/search.php?st=0&sk=t&sd=d&sr=posts&keywords=
Lee
+
Circle
&start=15
You tell us….has anybody ‘searched’
Lee
Circle
?

http://quest4treasure.co.uk/phpbb3/search.php?st=0&sk=t&sd=d&sr=posts&keywords=Lee+Circle&start=15
You tell us….has anybody ‘searched’ Lee Circle?

bpa73j

How many years has it been maybe it’s not Lafayette Square, and no where in the text does it say Lafayette Square. We all are making our best guess. So instead of shooting down suggestions how about thinking about taking in the suggestions

How many? Too many
You’re right, maybe it’s not
No shooting down here just throwing out another idea
Lee
Circle
is cool and I checked it out a few months ago. It ‘s just a shame that it is no longer
Lee
Circle
.

bpa73j

How many years has it been maybe it’s not Lafayette Square, and no where in the text does it say Lafayette Square. We all are making our best guess. So instead of shooting down suggestions how about thinking about taking in the suggestions

How many? Too many
You’re right, maybe it’s not
No shooting down here just throwing out another idea
Lee Circle is cool and I checked it out a few months ago. It ‘s just a shame that it is no longer Lee Circle.

MrBackstop

How many? Too many
You’re right, maybe it’s not
No shooting down here just throwing out another idea
Lee
Circle
is cool and I checked it out a few months ago. It ‘s just a shame that it is no longer
Lee
Circle
.

From someone who hasn’t done much on Image 7 NO, why isn’t the “ground” a reference to Henry “Clay” ?
Seems to make the most sense to someone who doesn’t know much about this area or even the NO image in its entirety. Please don’t jump down my throat people either. Thanks in advance

MrBackstop

How many? Too many
You’re right, maybe it’s not
No shooting down here just throwing out another idea
Lee Circle is cool and I checked it out a few months ago. It ‘s just a shame that it is no longer Lee Circle.

From someone who hasn’t done much on Image 7 NO, why isn’t the “ground” a reference to Henry “Clay” ?
Seems to make the most sense to someone who doesn’t know much about this area or even the NO image in its entirety. Please don’t jump down my throat people either. Thanks in advance