spinner

Dig 2 foot maximum.

Egbert

BTW, I am not so sure that this is St. Louis, since the Latitude and Longitude are nowhere to be found (38, 90).

johann

Do I see a 45 at the bottom of the flower? Perhaps I am just nuts.

rumball

Looks like her head could fit in there good. I’m curious as to maybe where her finger points is maybe where to look.

Time to clear up a few (potential) misperceptions.
I’m with wilhouse. The book says it could be 3 to 3.5 feet down.
The pattern so far has been that JJP chose up to 4 numbers corresponding to the bounding latitudes and longitudes. That means he is equally likely to choose 38, 39, 90, or 91. in this case, he chose 39. BP has also confirmed that there is a St. Louis casque, no? I doubt any other picture is as likely as P9.
I think the 45 you see is what spinner is calling the Blues logo (the note).
Boog – Thank you for the graphic. Call me blind, but I
still
see no resemblance between the hat’s bumps and the river course. Yes, they’re both bumpy, but it just doesn’t match.
her??? (and welcome to the hunt, BTW).

Boogie,
Looks like her head could fit in there good. I’m curious as to maybe where her finger points is maybe where to look.

Yeah a Her .  Thanks , glad to be here . I’m a little late on the hunt , but found this interesting . Just trying to find a place here to get cozy and go nuts. Hope you don’t mind.

forest_blight

And the fact that the Palaces are no longer there doesn’t mean he wouldn’t have written them into his riddle.

there were 7 or 8 buildings made for the 1904 world fair. All made from “Plaster of Paris” they were built only for the fair then to be knocked down after it was over.
Only ONE was NOT made from plaster of paris & that was The Fine Arts
Palace
what is today known as the Art Museum.

spinner

Dig 2 foot maximum.

the book says 3 to 3 1/2 feet.
wilhouse

forest_blight

The pattern so far has been that JJP chose up to 4 numbers corresponding to the bounding latitudes and longitudes. That means he is equally likely to choose 38, 39, 90, or 91. in this case, he chose 39. BP has also confirmed that there is a St. Louis casque, no? I doubt any other picture is as likely as P9.

forest_blight

I think the 45 you see is what spinner is calling the Blues logo (the note).

forest_blight

Boog – Thank you for the graphic. Call me blind, but I
still
see no resemblance between the hat’s bumps and the river course. Yes, they’re both bumpy, but it just doesn’t match.

Well, both New York City and St. Louis can have the 39.  However, there is an obvious 73 on the right side of the head.  I was just pointing out that those were the coordinates of NYC.  I would love to find a 90 or 91 in this pic, but I don’t see it.  Does anyone see a 90 or 91?  Better yet — what could the 73 be?  The major highways are 70, 55, 64, and 44.
If this pic is not NYC, then NYC would have to be Image 12, which is the one we thought was Vancouver.  I know that BP said there was a treasure in St. Louis, but BP also said that there was a treasure hidden in Canada, so that would move the Canada possibility to Image 11 — the Italian lady.  That knocks out Boston as a treasure site.
Actually, I think Johann is talking about the area to the right of that.  I see what you mean.  The 4 is a bit of an optical illusion, but I do see the distorted 5.
If you tilt the sideways Image 9 portion that Boog posted about 45 degrees clockwise, you will see it.  My gosh, that is now convincing me that this Image may indeed be St. Louis.  Is there a way to tilt that Image and zoom in a bit?  It looks pretty similar to the river.

Egbert

Well, both New York City and St. Louis can have the 39. However, there is an obvious 73 on the right side of the head. I was just pointing out that those were the coordinates of NYC. I would love to find a 90 or 91 in this pic, but I don’t see it. Does anyone see a 90 or 91? Better yet — what could the 73 be? The major highways are 70, 55, 64, and 44.
If this pic is not NYC, then NYC would have to be Image 12, which is the one we thought was Vancouver. I know that BP said there was a treasure in St. Louis, but BP also said that there was a treasure hidden in Canada, so that would move the Canada possibility to Image 11 — the Italian lady. That knocks out Boston as a treasure site.

Egbert

Actually, I think Johann is talking about the area to the right of that.  I see what you mean.  The 4 is a bit of an optical illusion, but I do see the distorted 5.

Egbert

If you tilt the sideways Image 9 portion that Boog posted about 45 degrees clockwise, you will see it. My gosh, that is now convincing me that this Image may indeed be St. Louis. Is there a way to tilt that Image and zoom in a bit? It looks pretty similar to the river.

73, 74, or 75 would work with various parts of NYC. However, when paired with 39, 73 puts you in the Atlantic off the east coast of NJ. As for Image 12 being Vancouver, I remain unconvinced. There is a 74 in the water in P12, and that says NYC to me more than the 73 in P9.
I would love for P9 to be NYC, especially since NYC would match the Dutch immigration theme so much better (see also the front material of
The Secret
, which mentions Catskill). The 73 (and the nearby S or 5) is the only annoying part of P9 for me now, since we can’t come up with an explanation that makes it fit with St. Louis.
Oh, okay. I see the 5 now, but the 4 still eludes me.
If you mean this… I’m still not convinced. Go back and see how convincing the Ohio and Charleston maps are. We could make
any
pattern of up-and-down-bumps correspond to both the hat and the river.

Did not have the software to rotate with me, but there are color markers to show proper reference.
As I looked at this closer, there is actually a fold in the hat where the checkerboard changes slightly,
representing the Missouri River branching off of the Mississippi, it takes the right form for me, no
question at all.

Spinner ,
After 25 years could possibly the line of the Mississippi changed , flooding etc.?  Also could this be
The namesakes meeting near this site.Meaning that the missouri and miississippi meet .  I know you all have wqorked hard here and I certainly don’t want to intrude , but I find you all awesome in your work and being  from St. Louis do hope to cheer you on and maybe put in a word or two.

Hey rumball, got a shovel?
The rivers change slightly over time, but the Army Corps of Engineers keeps it in check for the most part.  Its not a perfect fit, but its close enough for me.  If the artist free handed the drawing off of a map, the question would be how close did he get or intend to get, and what map did he use, which could have been a 1900 globe with small features for all we know.  The main feature of the confluence of the two rivers is really pretty accurate, and the humps and bumps are close enough for government work.  I would not read too much into it not being hyper exact, it is after all, just a clue, no more, no less.  I am sure if you laid a catenary curve over the arch in the picture, it would not line up perfectly either.  (Thats right folks, The arch is not a parabola, no matter what your geometry teacher might have tried to sell you).

Spinner,
I was just curious as to how much it may have changed.  I decided to look up some things on the ol missisip and it actually was up to where forest park is now , but that was awhile ago. I drive by forest park on my way to the doctors at Barnes ( what a mess that is ) twice a month.

Could the  ” BLOB”  be the old checkerdome or the old courthouse ? I was reading back through some of the earlier posts and there are a lot of references to the arch. I’m on Vacation next week anyone needing anything looked into let me know . I want my daughter to see the top of the arch so let me know , carol

Sorry almost forgot could the  Musicians Memorial Fountain refer to    Fays delight . Didn’t see any gnomes though.

Just another thought or two . At the art museum there are 2 female statues their names  ART & SCIENCE could this mean the namesakes meeting near this site . Could there be gnomes and fays in the artwork inside . Another thought ……..Their heads for a night …. there are probably busts inside the art museum and this was a building from the Worlds fair . Sorry everyone , but you have me hooked .

Check the previous posts, someone dug at the art museum and found a note left by someone in reference to some other treasure!  Weird stuff.

Request high def pictures of the Sidewalk plates around St. Louis History Museum.
Thx
http://www.forestparkstatues.org/history-underfoot

rexx

Request high def pictures of the Sidewalk plates around St. Louis History Museum.
Thx
http://www.forestparkstatues.org/history-underfoot

you mean the plates installed in 1998?
are you just looking for what is on them or what?

maltedfalcon

you mean the plates installed in 1998?
are you just looking for what is on them or what?

Thanks for the prompt reply. Installed in 98 is new information to me. I was curious what they were.

Sweet scottrocks! now if you’ll give us your real name and the latitude and longitude of that brick we might can find it!
(the brick, i mean)
edit:  i mean that as: SWEET!    scottrocks……….not: sweet scotrocks…

I thought V6 was thought to go to Charleston
“Sweet Scottrocks”
does slappy have a crush?

I just joined the Friends of Forest Park at the trustee level. If nothing else they will put my name on a brick someplace in the park. I however hope to work with other members of this organization as well as the historical society etc to find or account for this casque. It willbe a few more weeks though. I will not get my official papers for about ten days and showing up with a shuvle the day after getting the official papers is not the way to go. But over the next few months I will see what I can do.
To review what I think the clues are. The Lat/Long of STL is hidden in the hair and as a STL Blues logo in the flower of Image 9. The landmarks to ID the city are the arch hidden as a blemish above the eye. The Old Courthouse is hidden in the black collar. The park Landmark is the Jewel Box. Hidden in the checkar pattern in the chest area. The legeater that has been talked so much about does worry me but it is likely a park or dig location clue. I will have to investigate this further.
When turned upside down the arms extended bar that binds is clearly illistrated with the checkar pattern in the chest area and the jewel in the hat. The right side of the hat looks as though it hides a map of the state of Missourie. Three potential clues that we may be over looking are the Hands, Noes and white shirt. These will have to be investigated further. It looks like Verse 6 matches the image. Lines 9 to 13 once figured out will confirm if we are right or wrong. Figureing out these lines will be my first goal.
Looking at the clues in the image and the verse I can say there are four potential areas the casque could be they are: The Jewel Box, Art Hill, Munny/Pagoda Circle area or the World’s Fair pavillion area.
I will tell you more as soon as I know more.

Scott, what lat/long do you see in the hair?  I can’t find anything that comes close to St. Louis for Image 9.

I have been busy but to humer all of you I will be back in the near future
with more information

scottrocks7

I have been busy but to humer all of you I will be back in the near future
with more information

no matter how you word it… ‘in the near future’ sure sounds a lot like ‘soon’ to me.
Hurry back scott!  Hey wait…hurry back?  Are you going somewhere?  Perhaps to unearth a casque?

Did you know…
The Ralston-Purina Pet Food Company with its home office in St. Louis was founded by William H. Danforth.
“Ralston’s checkerboard logo evolved from a personal development concept Danforth put forth in his book I Dare You! (1931) , in which he used a checkerboard to explain it.”
“Through the Danforth Foundation, he subsidized the construction of 24 Danforth Chapels on college campuses around the United States, and one in Japan.“
Berea College, which Danforth attended, has one of them. It is part of the Draper Building. The outer wall contains stones from Danforth’s personal collection, obtained from various locations of historic importance.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_H._Danforth
http://www.kynews.org/articles/show/919
http://www.kynews.org/articles/show/920

The hoof foot is an early style carved to resemble a realistic animal hoof (typically that of a deer).
It developed along with the cabriole leg with which it usually appears, towards the end of the 17th century.
It is also sometimes called a pied-de-biche, which translates to “deer’s foot” in French.
Hoof feet are most characteristic of Régence, William and Mary, early Louis XV and Queen Anne furniture,
although it continued throughout the 18th century.
Barbedienne Pompeian Lamp – Quick google images search shows different examples
Antique Bronze Hoof Footed Candlestick – Barbedienne – France 19th Century

Apotheosis statue of St. Louis in the Forest Park. The sword handle, more specifically, the hand guard is the same shape of the smile in image 9.

I’m less than 2 hours from St Louis. Found this forum trying to validate the same theory about St. Louis. Anyone else in the area? I may drive up in the next couple of weekends to look around. I think if the casque was still there it would be best to dig first apologize later if anyone says anything. I haven’t had time to double check, how far down were the found keys buried?
Syderial.bd @ Gmail. com

rexx

Did you know…
The Ralston-Purina Pet Food Company with its home office in St. Louis was founded by William H. Danforth.
“Ralston’s checkerboard logo evolved from a personal development concept Danforth put forth in his book I Dare You! (1931) , in which he used a checkerboard to explain it.”
“Through the Danforth Foundation, he subsidized the construction of 24 Danforth Chapels on college campuses around the United States, and one in Japan.“
Berea College, which Danforth attended, has one of them. It is part of the Draper Building. The outer wall contains stones from Danforth’s personal collection, obtained from various locations of historic importance.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_H._Danforth
http://www.kynews.org/articles/show/919
http://www.kynews.org/articles/show/920

Berea College/ the Draper Building is in Kentucky….I understand the connection you’re pointing to with the Ralston-Purina checkerboard logo and its home in St Louis…but, why mention a place in Kentucky? Seems off the path, with no bearing on a solution in St Louis….?

Mister EZ

I wasn’t trying to highlight Kentucky. I was trying to highlight the contributions of the man and the incredible wealth of history he accumulated.

Is there some extremely compelling evidence that there is a casque in St. Louis? Can we let this thread die now?

gManTexas

Is there some extremely compelling evidence that there is a casque in St. Louis? Can we let this thread die now?

The left collar of the tunic is a match for the Missouri State map.
I’m following up on a sighting of a “Legeater” image in St. Louis from the 1980’s.
Anyone on in the St. Louis area interested in doing some “leg” work?

rexx

The left collar of the tunic is a match for the Missouri State map.
I’m following up on a sighting of a “Legeater” image in St. Louis from the 1980’s.
Anyone on in the St. Louis area interested in doing some “leg” work?

What image and verse are you using?

gManTexas

What image and verse are you using?

I’m still looking at Image 9 and Verse 7.

rexx

I’m still looking at Image 9 and Verse 7.

While I’m open to Image 9 ****maybe**** not being in Montreal, there is no way that Verse 7 is not in SF.
I think you would have to have a casque in your hand to convince me otherwise, and then I will eat a very large crow.

gManTexas

While I’m open to Image 9 ****maybe**** not being in Montreal, there is no way that Verse 7 is not in SF.
I think you would have to have a casque in your hand to convince me otherwise, and then I will eat a very large crow.

IMHO, nobody is right or wrong until there is a casque in hand. I can still dream.

rexx

IMHO, nobody is right or wrong until there is a casque in hand. I can still dream.

Hey, go bananas! Prove us all wrong!

Where do you live rexx? Are you close to St. Louis?

xsdjr

Where do you live rexx? Are you close to St. Louis?

I’m in Canada. Would be a big help to have some eyes local.

Hi all, I’m new to the hunt. I’ve been reading through some of the threads here & trying to get up to speed. Is there anyone here that is still working on a solve in St. Louis, MO?

Jeep_chick79

Hi all, I’m new to the hunt. I’ve been reading through some of the threads here & trying to get up to speed. Is there anyone here that is still working on a solve in St. Louis, MO?

Not anymore….probably.
General consensus for image 9 has moved the search to Montreal, because of the leg eater in the image. (The candelabras outside of the George Stephan House.)….among other things….
But, anything is possible…..somebody might be trying to dig up the grounds under the Arch, while tipping back a few Buds.

Jeep_chick79

Hi all, I’m new to the hunt. I’ve been reading through some of the threads here & trying to get up to speed. Is there anyone here that is still working on a solve in St. Louis, MO?

Couple people on Facebook are looking at stl, but they are fighting a steep uphill battle and no one seems willing to help them.

Unknown

Unknown:
but they are fighting a steep uphill battle and no one seems willing to help them

Of the over 700 answers that Preiss received in the first six months of the hunt, I’d be willing to bet that a large number of them came from people who were searching in cities that do not contain a casque. You would think that we would be past that by now, but apparently, that is not the case.

Jeep_chick79

Hi all, I’m new to the hunt. I’ve been reading through some of the threads here & trying to get up to speed. Is there anyone here that is still working on a solve in St. Louis, MO?

I am currently researching St Louis

Unknown

Unknown:
………so, you’re going to share this information???

Do you mean are we going to share it again? Because almost everything you need to know is in the “Slow Spill” thread. And the rest can be easily found on other threads on this forum. Or just by doing a little bit of research. By those willing to do it. No tricks. No hidden messages. No special powers of observation needed.
Or, you can just take my word for it. All the images and verses are spoken for. And the 12 cities that we’ve identified (collectively) are correct. So unless the podcast guys plan to bury theirs in St. Louis, there is no casque there.

If it were such a highly valued thread with all the information more members must be using it; that or it’s pretty useless. I hardly see why you have to push it on every other thread. I’ve bit tongue the last few times you done it but it’s starting to make you look desperate. By your reasoning “everything you need” is in the book there’s no need to look at the slow spill thread. If the solves are all but solved, less the bury site, please post on your coveted thread. Or maybe your channeling Priess and don’t want to give out your solutions because you’ve dug up the casques then reburied them for other to find again? Idk personally it seems like the most purposely misleading thread on the secret board to me. Sorry to rant but it’s past getting old, please I’ll ask you nicely or beg you to leave that thread in that thread.
Back to the real question what was johann’s solution that prompted him to say st louid? I wonder if it was referring to the namesake portion of the verse. St. Louis Missouri and the St. Louis church in NOLA are both named after King Louis of France, the only King to also be anointed as a saint. The verse johann submitted was the verse we believe to be referencing New Orleans. Here and there I’ve searched for the correspondence from johann to BP but never found it. (Not even on the slow spill thread
)

Well johann surely knows and he/she was on in the past few weeks. Or maybe it was a different johann?

St. Louis has the Gateway Arch which is the the gateway to the west for immigrants to this country.
I still believe there is a casque in St. Louis but who knows – maybe someone already dug it up and never claimed it. Time will tell. If someone has “definitive” proof that there is no casque in St. Louis it would be nice to know.
And yes, I have read all the reasons why it is not St. Louis in all the posts on this forum.
Johann might have been in another park as he was using different pictures and verses – (he also looked at Compton and Tower Grove parks and sent multiple solutions to Byron).
There is no way to be “definitely” sure that whatever people claim that Byron was referring (about Johann being in the incorrect location) is the true interpretation of the response in the email.

karleen

Thanks Karleen … funny.

Fenix

Keep in mind that nobody knows what exactly Johann emailed Byron. Not that it matters, Rennovator has this spot on.

Exactly… Fenix

how is that funny?

jayheedan1

If it were such a highly valued thread with all the information more members must be using it; that or it’s pretty useless. I hardly see why you have to push it on every other thread. I’ve bit tongue the last few times you done it but it’s starting to make you look desperate. By your reasoning “everything you need” is in the book there’s no need to look at the slow spill thread. If the solves are all but solved, less the bury site, please post on your coveted thread. Or maybe your channeling Priess and don’t want to give out your solutions because you’ve dug up the casques then reburied them for other to find again? Idk personally it seems like the most purposely misleading thread on the secret board to me. Sorry to rant but it’s past getting old, please I’ll ask you nicely or beg you to leave that thread in that thread.
Back to the real question what was johann’s solution that prompted him to say st louid? I wonder if it was referring to the namesake portion of the verse. St. Louis Missouri and the St. Louis church in NOLA are both named after King Louis of France, the only King to also be anointed as a saint. The verse johann submitted was the verse we believe to be referencing New Orleans. Here and there I’ve searched for the correspondence from johann to BP but never found it. (Not even on the slow spill thread
)

I understand your thought process. with paragraph one. For paragraph 2, thank you for the information. It is good to know that it is more than possible that the St. Louis is possibly a mention to a street in New Orleans.

xsdjr

St. Louis has the Gateway Arch which is the the gateway to the west for immigrants to this country.
I still believe there is a casque in St. Louis but who knows – maybe someone already dug it up and never claimed it. Time will tell. If someone has “definitive” proof that there is no casque in St. Louis it would be nice to know.
And yes, I have read all the reasons why it is not St. Louis in all the posts on this forum.
Johann might have been in another park as he was using different pictures and verses – (he also looked at Compton and Tower Grove parks and sent multiple solutions to Byron).
There is no way to be “definitely” sure that whatever people claim that Byron was referring (about Johann being in the incorrect location) is the true interpretation of the response in the email.

I have read several threads on this board, and I believe Johann said somewhere (doubt I could find it again) that the “St. Louid” email from BP was in response to a solve he was working on using verse 6 that lead him to the Shakespeare statue in Tower Grove Park, but I don’t know which image he was using.
I believe I understand and appreciate the reasoning for thinking I9 points to Montreal. I suppose it’s mostly a matter of wishful thinking on my part, but I am mulling over some ideas I have about where a casque might be in STL. Until all of the casques are found, I don’t see any harm in pursuing my own ideas. I9 is the only image that seems to suggest STL to me at all, but I’m trying to keep my mind open to all possibilities.

St. Louis has the Gateway Arch which is the the gateway to the west for immigrants to this country.
Keep chick…
Where is Grove park, what city?

Thank you for your post about tower grove park. I see that it is in saint louis. I think the Montreal image is yoho park mount Stephen.
Is there any indication of the image number Preiss was referring to for the saint louis comment?

Glossiphoniidae

That being said, very impressive work esp since the book is 30 years old. I think you deserve to know that you are correct about st. Louid, but not correct about the location. Thanks for all your excellent work!

dp12345

Honestly, I think Byron used this as a clue to identify the location. The George Stephen House was built with extremely similar visual detail to the Old Courthouse in St. Louis, from the steps to the pillars. It was also constructed during a similar time frame in the 1800’s. As you can see, the “leg eater” is not exact. I think it was included for readers to start in the former “Jefferson Expansion National Park” and further direct them to a building of similar visual detail and to focus on the steps. I’m not sure why there are two different versions of the image – one reflecting a fleur-de-lis, and one reflecting a black image. However, the “black blob” certainly looks like the “ah ha” location marker, much like the images in Cleveland and Chicago. I’m not saying my theory is right, but it was fun to think about for a few days.

First, welcome to the hunt.
Second, as I was told over, and over, and over again, there’s a lot of information posted here so its going to take some time to review and sort out what’s useful or not to your theory. I’d recommend starting with this thread as I think it relates closely to your theory. There are posts about the Japanese version specifically identifying the high posts as wooden.
Third, Expedition Unknown Secret Episode showed the original painting showing the fleur-de-lis in place of the black blocks. It appears the black blocks were added before the image was published. It doesn’t help eliminate Montreal or St. Louis but my interpretation is the black blocks aren’t a clue.
Fourth, I interpreted the tunic collar on the left side of the image as the outline of Missouri so don’t give up on St. Louis as a possible dig site. I’ve been researching the Old Courthouse as a possible site also.
Fifth, perhaps try a different verse. Lane 222 could mean 2X22 or Highway 44.
Lastly, I look forward your future posts. Take and post lots of pictures. I’m hoping you hunt down that elusive “Leg-eater” lamp.

Honestly, I think Byron used this as a clue to identify the location. The George Stephen House was built with extremely similar visual detail to the Old Courthouse in St. Louis, from the steps to the pillars. It was also constructed during a similar time frame in the 1800’s. As you can see, the “leg eater” is not exact. I think it was included for readers to start in the former “Jefferson Expansion National Park” and further direct them to a building of similar visual detail and to focus on the steps. I’m not sure why there are two different versions of the image – one reflecting a fleur-de-lis, and one reflecting a black image. However, the “black blob” certainly looks like the “ah ha” location marker, much like the images in Cleveland and Chicago. I’m not saying my theory is right, but it was fun to think about for a few days.

rexx

First, welcome to the hunt.
Second, as I was told over, and over, and over again, there’s a lot of information posted here so its going to take some time to review and sort out what’s useful or not to your theory. I’d recommend starting with this thread as I think it relates closely to your theory. There are posts about the Japanese version specifically identifying the high posts as wooden.
Third, Expedition Unknown Secret Episode showed the original painting showing the fleur-de-lis in place of the black blocks. It appears the black blocks were added before the image was published. It doesn’t help eliminate Montreal or St. Louis but my interpretation is the black blocks aren’t a clue.
Fourth, I interpreted the tunic collar on the left side of the image as the outline of Missouri so don’t give up on St. Louis as a possible dig site. I’ve been researching the Old Courthouse as a possible site also.
Fifth, perhaps try a different verse. Lane 222 could mean 2X22 or Highway 44.
Lastly, I look forward your future posts. Take and post lots of pictures. I’m hoping you hunt down that elusive “Leg-eater” lamp.

Thanks for the info. I’ll dig through this thread a bit. As far as the wooden posts, the third, and highest row of pillars “posts” that support the rotunda within the Old Courthouse are comprised entirely of white oak. It is certainly interesting that he says high posts, not tall posts. Since my post yesterday, I have also heard from others that there are two versions of the painting. My theory is that it was likely a fleur-de-lis initially to drive readers to St. Louis and/or Montreal, but may have added the last clue before publishing, to give the exact location. If you were to make the 12ft jump to the ground at the pillar I proposed, it would put you basically where you need to be, but this clue may have been added prior to publishing to give readers the exact dig spot. I’m very new to this, but it seems Byron did most everything for a reason, and it would seem out of character to use a strange black image to obscure a clue. Again… its all just a theory.

We seem to have a team in St. Louis.  Why don’t we meet?

its just to dang hot to be walking & sight seeing right now….
this weekend im taking 2 friends for a ride up into the arch  they havent been before. we will  be having lunch in forest park..will post picture if find anything new.

Spinner ,
Ah well!

Ok, Maybe Forest Blight Really has something there…
More than a passing resemblance to Mr. Blobby Pants
Verified location of flower clock as of today (literally today, 7/25/06)
What it looks like from center of clock in 3 O’Clock direction
Target object in 3 O’Clock direction
Seriously, the dirt was loose enough here that I did this by hand, no tools.
In the bottom of the hole, I poked it with a stick (boy thing) and there is
a hollow space there.  I don’t know if one of you has been diggin, but
maybe this one deserves a little more work?

I haven’t been digging there in a long, long time.  Seriously, Spinner, can we not get together to work on this thing?

Looking a little deeper, and actually, trying to see if I can do a bad thing and the Puzzle fit the
Oak Tree, rather than the other way around, lets take a look at the spin old spinner can throw
down.
When you look up gnomes, a lot of times, they are also referred to as
Wood Gnomes
.
Think of that little anoying dude from travelocity.  Well, lets see if namesakes could possibly be
turned upside down and use the un attached word of
wood
in a solution.
Taking this approach what word can we find that is associated with fay?
Quote:
“Fae” is a noun that refers to the specific group of otherworldly beings with mystical abilities
(either the elves (or equivalent) in mythology or their insect-winged, floral descendants
in English folklore)”
Many of the web serches turn up an elf as a type of fae, fay, or farie.  Well guess what,
Yes Virgina, there are certainly
Wood Elves
too.
Quote:
“Wood Gnomes build their homes beneath the roots of a tree.”
Have I made your eyeballs hurt yet?  I know, bad puzzle solving, but take it with a
grain of salt, does the word
wood
hold some key beyond what I suggest?

Johann, sure we can get together, I apologize for not being the most available person, I have a lot going on in my life right now, like a divorce.

Not to mention the fact that the flower image looks
nothing
like the ST. LOUIS BLUES hockey team logo.
Nothing.
But I’ve said this at least three times. You still persist on saying it is the logo. It’s NOT.
Lat/long of St. Louis in general is 38-90.  There is a 35, an a 6 or a 9 in the upper part of the hair on the forehead, and possibly a 73. I see no other numbers unless you count the fingers (2? 3? 4?) and the flower–which may be 67, 77 or turned upside down, 9.  35-77 puts you in North Carolina. 77-35 puts you in Greenland.
Where are you seeing latitudes and longitudes?

unique

STL local and new to the Secret. Trying to take in all in. No real interest in securing the cask for myself, but I do like adventures and puzzles. And I’d like to do some part in resolving this grand mystery. Something about image 9 always seemed to scream out to me, and something about Montreal’s location (compared to others) seemed off.

Welcome!
I don’t speak for everyone, but a lot of people would need you to find the legeater in St. Louis to take their attention away from Montreal.
People have been looking for it for 15 years, everywhere, particularly St. Louis. This is the only one they found (well, they found one in Italy)

I followed up on the”legeater” but found it to be a paw not a hoof lamp.
It was located in front of the Scottish Rite Cathedral in the 80”s.
When I looked at the Cathedral on Google maps I got excited, seeing a giant pole with a giant step down to the grass area which looks like the perfect dig location.

Did you know
Mark Twain was a member of the St. Loius Masons.
There is a statue of Pius facing the Cathedral.

fox

s.l. is considered a port city though. doesn’t have to be a coastal city. still think our legeater resides in montreal.

right fox port city better term, i guess, agreed on the legeater
standing on the shore of lake erie, and no way to see the other shore,
you definitely feel how immense it is, ive actually had a tourist or 2
ask if that is the atlantic ocean. im guessing they have had toooo many drinks

Hope I’m right…
Hope the key is found…
Proposed solution for Image #9 and Verse #7
I. Site #9: St. Louis
I began reviewing others’ research into the remaining images and verses concentrating on the one in Montreal which was one of the few cities that I’ve actually visited.
1. Many current theories relate Image 9 as Montreal, Quebec, Canada due to the strong corresponding match between the image of the “Legeater Dog” and the lamp located in Montreal.
Ref:
http://thesecret.pbworks.com/w/page/22148559/FrontPage
– Image 9
The corolation is quite compelling.
Initial investigation of the “Dogeater” lamp shows it isn’t native to Montreal. Its origins are from Palermo, Italy. Having not seen another example in North America, the assumption continued.
But all the remaining clues pointing to Montreal are rather weak and even forced.
2. Occam’s Razor – is the problem-solving principle that the simplest solution tends to be the right one. When presented with competing hypotheses to solve a problem, one should select the solution with the fewest assumptions.
Ref:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor
The author of The Secret expected the treasures to be found a few months after the book was published which lead me to believe the clues should be rather easy for anyone familiar with any of the locations (in the 1980’s). Unfortunately, more than 35 years have passed since the book was published and many of the clues may no longer remain.
3. St. Louis, Missouri.
Using Occam’s Razor, a cursory review of the image shows clues pointing to St. Louis, Missourri.
From Image 9:
i) The St. Louis Blues emblem.
The most obvious clue is the musical note which is a match for the St. Louis Blues hockey team’s emblem.
ii) The St. Louis Blues Hockey team played in the St. Louis Arena called the “Checker Dome” due to the fact that the Purina pet food company which sponsored the Arena and owned the St. Louis Blues has a red and white checkered logo. This matched the checkered pattern found in the image including his checkered hat which also has a similar shape to the arena.
The checker dome was renamed in 1983, just two (2) years after the author had hidden his treasure. It was later demolished in 1999.
Ref:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Louis_Arena
iii) The collar is quite a distinctive shape.
The white shirt collar could be the confluence of the Missouri and Mississippi rivers where the bottom shape is St. Louis. I’m still working on this one.
iv) The crossed lines of the tunic collar represent the confluence of the Missouri and Mississippi rivers. In fact, the flag of St. Louis has two wavy lines conjoining to one line which is a representation of the two rivers coming together.
Ref:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_St._Louis
v) The Nose
A nose that size has to be a clue but the only image that comes to mind is the Fleur-de-lis in the center of the St. Louis city flag.
vi) The finger placement
Finger placement also appears to be a clue but the only image that comes to mind is the cross finger scepter that King Louis is often holding to represent the “hand of justice”.
vii) Byron Preiss did an interview with the St. Louis Post-Dispatch in 1982 promoting his book The Secret.
Of course the image and the verse in the article don’t correspond to St. Louis.
4. Forest Park
i) Forest Park seemed like an obvious choice to hide a treasure.
First, it’s the largest urban park in any city in America. Second, it’s the site of many historic events including the 1904 World’s Fair also known as the Louisiana Purchase Exposition, and the 1904 Summer Olympics. It is known as the “Heart of St. Louis”.
Ref:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forest_Park_(St._Louis)
ii) The “Checker Dome” was located directly across from Forest Park.
iii) The Jewel Box
This seems like a too obvious clue but then its specifically mentioned in different verses. And the stepped shape appears in the pattern of the tunic.
iv) The 12 petals on the flower corresponding to the old Korean War Memorial Floral Clock in Forest Park.
II. Verse #7: St. Louis
Verse #7
At stone wall’s door
The air smells sweet
Not far away
High posts are three
Education and Justice
For all to see
Sounds from the sky
Near ace is high
Running north, but first across
In jewel’s direction
Is an object
Of Twain’s attention
Giant pole
Giant step
To the place
The casque is kept.
Meaning:
1. At stone wall’s door, The air smells sweet
Vendeventer Place Gate
2. Not far away, High posts are three
The Highlands Golf & Tennis Center, most commonly occur are par 3 holes. It also used to be call the Triple A.
3. Education and Justice, for all to see
Golf “Course” and Tennis “Court”
4. Sounds from the sky, Near ace is high
Ace is a hole in one in golf and an unreturned serve in tennis
5. Running north, but first across, In jewel’s direction
Go west first towards The Jewel Box greenhouse
6. Is an object, Of Twain’s attention
The old Korean War Memorial, a floral clock in disrepair
7. Giant pole, Giant step
The old Korean War Memorial had a single flag pole. Take one giant step north.
8. To the place, The casque is kept.
In the garden plot just north of the Korean War Memorial a giant step from the flag pole.
Explaination:
1. Vendeventer Place Gate
The Vendeventer Place Gate was relocated to the Forest Park in 1947.
Ref:
http://www.forestparkstatues.org/vandeventer-place-gates/
2. Golf and Tennis Center
The Highlands Golf and Tennis Center, formerly known as Triple A Golf and Tennis Club, opened in 1897 on the site of the current Forest Park Golf Course; in 1902, the course moved to a 70-acre (280,000 m2) facility near the southeast corner of Forest Park due to the construction of the 1904 World’s Fair.[61] The new facility included a nine-hole golf course, tennis, handball and volleyball courts, a running track, and baseball and lacrosse fields.[61] The tennis courts at the Highlands were where player Jimmy Connors began his career, and the facility hosted Davis Cup qualifying matches in 1927, 1946, and 1961.[61] Judy Rankin began her golfing career at Triple A Golf and Tennis Club as a young girl. Between 2008 and 2010 the Highlands underwent a complete reconstruction, with a new nine-hole golf course, the installation of clay tennis courts, a new 30-stall lit driving range, and the construction of a full-service bar and restaurant known as Keagan’s Pub and Patio
Ref:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forest_Park_(St._Louis)#Highlands_Golf_and_Tennis_Center
3. Education and Justice, for all to see
Golf “Course” and Tennis “Court”
4. Sounds from the sky, Near ace is high
Ace is a hole in one in golf and an unreturned serve in tennis
5. Running north, but first across, In jewel’s direction
Go west first towards The Jewel Box greenhouse
6. Mark Twain
Mark Twain was born in Florida, Missouri not far from St. Louis.
Mark Twain seemed to have a fascination with timepieces, watches, and clocks.
In many of his essays and letters he would address them as having some sort of human traits or being alive only to vex him in some sort of way.
i) Letter to Henry H. Rogers, 24 September, 1894
I have damaged my intellect trying to imagine why a man should want to invent a repeating clock, and how another man could be found to lust after it and buy it. The man who can guess these riddles is far on the way to guess why the human race was invented — which is another riddle which tires me.
– Letter to Henry H. Rogers, 24 September 1894
ii) MY WATCH — AN INSTRUCTIVE LITTLE TALE, The Galaxy, December 1870
This specifically applies to the clue.
“My Watch: An Instructive Little Tale”
In Mark Twain’s “My Watch: An Instructive Little Tale” I found the author’s thesis to be that once things go awry, they’ll never work right again. Mr. Twain explains this through a personal narrative in which he recollects numerous times he had tried to get a broken watch repaired, and after many attempts, the watch ceased to work properly. Mr. Twain also states that his uncle William told him “A good horse was a good horse until it had run away, and that a good watch was a good watch until the repairers got a change at it.”
In 1981, the Korean War Memorial would have been a floral clock that had deteriorated resulting in mechanical problems.
This nonfunctioning floral clock represents Twain’s attention.
Ref:
http://www.forestparkstatues.org/korean-war-memorial/
Article from the St. Louis Post-Dispatch dated August 28, 1987 showing the Korean War Memorial Clock in the picture in a state of disrepair. Byline says “Restoration Drive Begun for War Memorial”.
Giant pole, Giant step
The old Korean War Memorial had a single flag pole. Take one giant step north.
OK, this is funny…
The box on the tunic which shows a P X 7….
X marks the spot… between the flag and the 7 shrubs.
To the place, The casque is kept.
In the garden plot just north of the Korean War Memorial a giant step from the flag pole.
Here’s lies the issue. In 1989, the floral clock which had deteriorated and damaged by vandals was replaced with the current 10-foot tall stainless steel working sundial. The surrounding garden and trees would likely have been removed and replanted after the installation which had most likely destroyed the casque or buried it.
A survey of the area would need to be performed to determine if any remains exist.
Further investigation at the time of construction may provide further possible areas to survey.
Ref:
http://www.forestparkstatues.org/korean-war-memorial/
I contacted the park’s administration several times but they have no interest in pursuing any theories or allowing any digging in the park.

rexx

Hope I’m right…
Hope the key is found…
Proposed solution for Image #9 and Verse #7
I. Site #9: St. Louis
I began reviewing others’ research into the remaining images and verses concentrating on the one in Montreal which was one of the few cities that I’ve actually visited.
1. Many current theories relate Image 9 as Montreal, Quebec, Canada due to the strong corresponding match between the image of the “Legeater Dog” and the lamp located in Montreal.
Ref:
http://thesecret.pbworks.com/w/page/22148559/FrontPage
– Image 9
The corolation is quite compelling.
Initial investigation of the “Dogeater” lamp shows it isn’t native to Montreal. Its origins are from Palermo, Italy. Having not seen another example in North America, the assumption continued.
But all the remaining clues pointing to Montreal are rather weak and even forced.
2. Occam’s Razor – is the problem-solving principle that the simplest solution tends to be the right one. When presented with competing hypotheses to solve a problem, one should select the solution with the fewest assumptions.
Ref:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor
The author of The Secret expected the treasures to be found a few months after the book was published which lead me to believe the clues should be rather easy for anyone familiar with any of the locations (in the 1980’s). Unfortunately, more than 35 years have passed since the book was published and many of the clues may no longer remain.
3. St. Louis, Missouri.
Using Occam’s Razor, a cursory review of the image shows clues pointing to St. Louis, Missourri.
From Image 9:
i) The St. Louis Blues emblem.
The most obvious clue is the musical note which is a match for the St. Louis Blues hockey team’s emblem.
ii) The St. Louis Blues Hockey team played in the St. Louis Arena called the “Checker Dome” due to the fact that the Purina pet food company which sponsored the Arena and owned the St. Louis Blues has a red and white checkered logo. This matched the checkered pattern found in the image including his checkered hat which also has a similar shape to the arena.
The checker dome was renamed in 1983, just two (2) years after the author had hidden his treasure. It was later demolished in 1999.
Ref:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Louis_Arena
iii) The collar is quite a distinctive shape.
The white shirt collar could be the confluence of the Missouri and Mississippi rivers where the bottom shape is St. Louis. I’m still working on this one.
iv) The crossed lines of the tunic collar represent the confluence of the Missouri and Mississippi rivers. In fact, the flag of St. Louis has two wavy lines conjoining to one line which is a representation of the two rivers coming together.
Ref:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_St._Louis
v) The Nose
A nose that size has to be a clue but the only image that comes to mind is the Fleur-de-lis in the center of the St. Louis city flag.
vi) The finger placement
Finger placement also appears to be a clue but the only image that comes to mind is the cross finger scepter that King Louis is often holding to represent the “hand of justice”.
vii) Byron Preiss did an interview with the St. Louis Post-Dispatch in 1982 promoting his book The Secret.
Of course the image and the verse in the article don’t correspond to St. Louis.
4. Forest Park
i) Forest Park seemed like an obvious choice to hide a treasure.
First, it’s the largest urban park in any city in America. Second, it’s the site of many historic events including the 1904 World’s Fair also known as the Louisiana Purchase Exposition, and the 1904 Summer Olympics. It is known as the “Heart of St. Louis”.
Ref:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forest_Park_(St._Louis)
ii) The “Checker Dome” was located directly across from Forest Park.
iii) The Jewel Box
This seems like a too obvious clue but then its specifically mentioned in different verses. And the stepped shape appears in the pattern of the tunic.
iv) The 12 petals on the flower corresponding to the old Korean War Memorial Floral Clock in Forest Park.
II. Verse #7: St. Louis
Verse #7
At stone wall’s door
The air smells sweet
Not far away
High posts are three
Education and Justice
For all to see
Sounds from the sky
Near ace is high
Running north, but first across
In jewel’s direction
Is an object
Of Twain’s attention
Giant pole
Giant step
To the place
The casque is kept.
Meaning:
1. At stone wall’s door, The air smells sweet
Vendeventer Place Gate
2. Not far away, High posts are three
The Highlands Golf & Tennis Center, most commonly occur are par 3 holes. It also used to be call the Triple A.
3. Education and Justice, for all to see
Golf “Course” and Tennis “Court”
4. Sounds from the sky, Near ace is high
Ace is a hole in one in golf and an unreturned serve in tennis
5. Running north, but first across, In jewel’s direction
Go west first towards The Jewel Box greenhouse
6. Is an object, Of Twain’s attention
The old Korean War Memorial, a floral clock in disrepair
7. Giant pole, Giant step
The old Korean War Memorial had a single flag pole. Take one giant step north.
8. To the place, The casque is kept.
In the garden plot just north of the Korean War Memorial a giant step from the flag pole.
Explaination:
1. Vendeventer Place Gate
The Vendeventer Place Gate was relocated to the Forest Park in 1947.
Ref:
http://www.forestparkstatues.org/vandeventer-place-gates/
2. Golf and Tennis Center
The Highlands Golf and Tennis Center, formerly known as Triple A Golf and Tennis Club, opened in 1897 on the site of the current Forest Park Golf Course; in 1902, the course moved to a 70-acre (280,000 m2) facility near the southeast corner of Forest Park due to the construction of the 1904 World’s Fair.[61] The new facility included a nine-hole golf course, tennis, handball and volleyball courts, a running track, and baseball and lacrosse fields.[61] The tennis courts at the Highlands were where player Jimmy Connors began his career, and the facility hosted Davis Cup qualifying matches in 1927, 1946, and 1961.[61] Judy Rankin began her golfing career at Triple A Golf and Tennis Club as a young girl. Between 2008 and 2010 the Highlands underwent a complete reconstruction, with a new nine-hole golf course, the installation of clay tennis courts, a new 30-stall lit driving range, and the construction of a full-service bar and restaurant known as Keagan’s Pub and Patio
Ref:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forest_Park_(St._Louis)#Highlands_Golf_and_Tennis_Center
3. Education and Justice, for all to see
Golf “Course” and Tennis “Court”
4. Sounds from the sky, Near ace is high
Ace is a hole in one in golf and an unreturned serve in tennis
5. Running north, but first across, In jewel’s direction
Go west first towards The Jewel Box greenhouse
6. Mark Twain
Mark Twain was born in Florida, Missouri not far from St. Louis.
Mark Twain seemed to have a fascination with timepieces, watches, and clocks.
In many of his essays and letters he would address them as having some sort of human traits or being alive only to vex him in some sort of way.
i) Letter to Henry H. Rogers, 24 September, 1894
I have damaged my intellect trying to imagine why a man should want to invent a repeating clock, and how another man could be found to lust after it and buy it. The man who can guess these riddles is far on the way to guess why the human race was invented — which is another riddle which tires me.
– Letter to Henry H. Rogers, 24 September 1894
ii) MY WATCH — AN INSTRUCTIVE LITTLE TALE, The Galaxy, December 1870
This specifically applies to the clue.
“My Watch: An Instructive Little Tale”
In Mark Twain’s “My Watch: An Instructive Little Tale” I found the author’s thesis to be that once things go awry, they’ll never work right again. Mr. Twain explains this through a personal narrative in which he recollects numerous times he had tried to get a broken watch repaired, and after many attempts, the watch ceased to work properly. Mr. Twain also states that his uncle William told him “A good horse was a good horse until it had run away, and that a good watch was a good watch until the repairers got a change at it.”
In 1981, the Korean War Memorial would have been a floral clock that had deteriorated resulting in mechanical problems.
This nonfunctioning floral clock represents Twain’s attention.
Ref:
http://www.forestparkstatues.org/korean-war-memorial/
Article from the St. Louis Post-Dispatch dated August 28, 1987 showing the Korean War Memorial Clock in the picture in a state of disrepair. Byline says “Restoration Drive Begun for War Memorial”.
Giant pole, Giant step
The old Korean War Memorial had a single flag pole. Take one giant step north.
OK, this is funny…
The box on the tunic which shows a P X 7….
X marks the spot… between the flag and the 7 shrubs.
To the place, The casque is kept.
In the garden plot just north of the Korean War Memorial a giant step from the flag pole.
Here’s lies the issue. In 1989, the floral clock which had deteriorated and damaged by vandals was replaced with the current 10-foot tall stainless steel working sundial. The surrounding garden and trees would likely have been removed and replanted after the installation which had most likely destroyed the casque or buried it.
A survey of the area would need to be performed to determine if any remains exist.
Further investigation at the time of construction may provide further possible areas to survey.
Ref:
http://www.forestparkstatues.org/korean-war-memorial/
I contacted the park’s administration several times but they have no interest in pursuing any theories or allowing any digging in the park.

seeing as i already solved mtl, posted full solution and walking map….which is wayyyyyyyy better than this….you either missed it or are insulting not only my but loads of other peoples intelligences by saying the connection to mtl is “forced….gimme a f’n break.

JoshCornell

seeing as i already solved mtl, posted full solution and walking map….which is wayyyyyyyy better than this….you either missed it or are insulting not only my but loads of other peoples intelligences by saying the connection to mtl is “forced….gimme a f’n break.

Obviously the person put a lot of thought and effort into their theory, and you are being dismissive and condescending. I really think you need to leave this forum. Other than a couple of very new users, who are unaware of your history here, no one wants or needs your incessant negativity and ramblings. Move on Josh.

Goldengate

Agree, Gman, and btw, I don’t want to overshadow all the work and research Rexx put in. I hope he gets an opportunity to dig his spot.
Rexx, I’d only make one observation, you mention that the nose may resemble a fleur-de-lis, but I’m not sure if you’ve seen the revelation that there’s actually a fleur-de-lis in the image next to the legeater (it’s behind the blacked out blob and was done so prior to the publication of the book but in Expedition Unknown, when JJP showed the original painting, the fleur-de-lis was there for everyone to see). It’s believed that BP may have thought it would have been too much of a give away to the location so he had it blacked out. Just offering that up in case it may help.

Thank you for the positive response.
I’ll review the Expedition Unknown episode and watch for the JJP scene and try to see the Fleur-d-lis. That’s great information.

“Yet Fairy secrets Come in twos”

Syderial

how far down were the found keys buried?

I’m not looking at specifics, just off the top of my head, a casque would have been buried at 3-to-4-feet depth, but ground shifts and upheaval could have moved whatever remains of the plexiglass encasements.

I am of the mind that image 9 is BOTH st. louis and montreal. I will explain soon. I apologize that I can’t do it now. Very involved ideas, but I have a lot of evidence to prove it is both.

Mister EZ

Not anymore….probably.
General consensus for image 9 has moved the search to Montreal, because of the leg eater in the image. (The candelabras outside of the George Stephan House.)….among other things….
But, anything is possible…..somebody might be trying to dig up the grounds under the Arch, while tipping back a few Buds.

The arch grounds have undergone major renovations .