I see my logic deserved a good healthy shredding.  I’ll  will have to more thinking and in it.

Unknown

Unknown:
At cementcurb’s door, the air smells anything but sweet

As I said. Not a likely place, IMHO.
That “wall” looks to be a block high.

I think that makes it a curb not a wall…

At cementcurb’s door, the air smells anything but sweet

(Here’s some of the ideas on that pole from Something Awful.)
http://archives.somethingawful.com/show … enumber=37

The ground around those trees, is the equivalent hardness of concrete.
You would need more than a shovel and it is
in front of an art museum and Science museum that have 24 hour security
and the area is lit all night.
Even in the 80’s somebody trying to dig a hole in that area would have been stopped.
more importantly the ground would show fresh digging like a sore.
and the grounds keepers in the area would have investigated and dug out the hole the next morning.

MERLIN

This links to an article written by Twain – originally posted by Mariska about 6 months ago. It may be worth looking at again with fresh eyes –
http://www.twainquotes.com/Chronicle/18651026.html

Thanks for reminding me of that Merlin, I read it again and the words ‘the job of shoveling you out’ made me smile
I didn’t even notice that before
quote : And in that case, there will be no Hercules found in these days equal to the job of shoveling you out

Hey Mariska!
…..I read it again as well – now i’m wondering if the object of twain’s attention is the number 13?. Quote: how many days do twelve days and twenty-four hours make?

I really think the object of Twain’s attention refers to something Twain wrote. BP chose to use the words “Object of attention” and I think it’s more than just a coincidence that Twain wrote the phrase “object of such fine attention” in one of his writings. These verses were meant to be solvable. Twain wrote about so many things that the object of his attention could be anything, which is why I think BP is using the words that Twain wrote: “object of such fine attention”. If the Verdi statue was the object of Twain’s attention because it looks like him why not phrase it: object of Twain’s reflection.

Maybe he did give clues to “reflection” such as a mirror or reflective bridge, mirrored letters.

treasurefindingfamily

I really think the object of Twain’s attention refers to something Twain wrote. BP chose to use the words “Object of attention” and I think it’s more than just a coincidence that Twain wrote the phrase “object of such fine attention” in one of his writings. These verses were meant to be solvable. Twain wrote about so many things that the object of his attention could be anything, which is why I think BP is using the words that Twain wrote: “object of such fine attention”. If the Verdi statue was the object of Twain’s attention because it looks like him why not phrase it: object of Twain’s reflection.

This links to an article written by Twain – originally posted by Mariska about 6 months ago. It may be worth looking at again with fresh eyes –
http://www.twainquotes.com/Chronicle/18651026.html

This link is to the letter that Twain wrote. This is why I think Ulysses S Grant is Twain’s object of attention. Look at the 4th paragraph – second to last sentence.
https://www.granthomepage.com/inttwain.htm

…or it could be really simple, like Mark. Marx Meadow in GGP or the Mark Hopkins on California. The Mark Hopkins is next to Stanford Court….Stanford – education Court – justice.

I’d by that if the stripe on the dress, that is labeled GH
did not set exactly on the Great Highway – if you reverse the map and overlay it onto a GGPark tourist map.
Highway one doesn’t go over by Fishermans wharf. So in that scenario what is aces high?

this has been brought up some time ago and I find myself leaning towards this explanation.,,,…especially w/ the Gh on robe matching Gh on chocolate sign.

For the longest time I put too much focus on the Betsy Ross Memorial Flagpole. It’s tough to avoid condensing every vague line into some form of physical link. I’m now seeing that it might be get us farther to take a more indeterminate view, at least for the time being, while we’re still trying to land on our feet.
So “sounds from the sky” might seem like birds, or planes, but then I think those are birds or planes which make the noise. If the sky itself is producing the sounds, that most likely would be thunder. The booms of thunder might be an allusion to Judgement Day. This idea of Judgement follows when you consider the line “education and justice”. Perhaps this is telling us to consider a Judge. Is a Judge “for all to see” or would that apply to just criminals awaiting sentencing?

So, you are saying lets get closer to the exact location by taking the clues in a more generic manner?
Are you also saying lets ignore the visual site confirmers in the image that are visible from the location of the Betsy Ross Flagpole

Yes and No.visual confirmers are good. I’m just real valuating hownecessary it is to really consider the flagpole if at all.I don’t support a completely generic approach but I am trying to grasp the vague or dual nature of the verse.

Well if you don’t consider the flagpole (or at least some pole)
you have no place to take your giant step from (or to)
and you have no place to take your bearing to an object of Twain’s attention.
In other words with out a Giant Pole somewhere, you are lost.

Oh, of courwe I think Giant Pole applies to the Betsy RossPole. I was previously caught up with the idea that other lines also applied to it directly. Now I think its neat that …and justice for all… could be a Pledge of Allegiance hint, i think its more about making a connection to an event where a criminal receives “sentence” from a Judge or something we also might say is Mark Twain’s object, a sentence.

maybe, but I think by that point in the verse,
you had better be zeroing in on a square foot of dirt.
rather then expanding your search.
unless you have a different part of the verse indicating the exact location.

For some odd reason I always see things differently then most. Can we say idiot? Don’t laugh, here goes-Stone wall’s door, drive through the road going over Hoover Dam, coming in to Las Vegas are three huge stacks or there were. Education and justice, Univ. of Nevada and William S Boyde School of Law. Sounds from the sky-Nellis Air Force Base. Now if you come from the south going north to Las Vegas (in jewels direction) there was a casino called “Nevada Landing”, it was built to look like a huge paddlewheel riverboat. The bad thing is I think it was leveled last year. The sign is still there though. I have changed my mind about the picture 8. I think it is Nevada and this verse goes with it. Just a thought.Oh ya I forgot the air smells sweet, Ethel M Chocolate factory is at that end of Las Vegas. Can’t get any sweeter then the smell of chocolate!

Scrappy929

Hello all. I am new to the thread but have been researching these puzzles for quite some time. Nowhere near as long as some veterans here though. I live just north of Sacramento,

Hey Scrappy! Were neighbors! I live north of Auburn and work in Sac.
Can’t wait to hear your Aha Moment! They are super fun when you get them! Welcome to the hunt!

Unknown

Unknown:
Hey Scrappy! Were neighbors! I live north of Auburn and work in Sac.
Can’t wait to hear your Aha Moment! They are super fun when you get them! Welcome to the hunt!

Hey mf! Thanks for the welcome. We are close indeed! I’m about 20 mins north of Sacramento in the Rocklin / Roseville area.
I’ve read a many of your posts here and your ideas are quite fascinating. Unbelievable how far some of your posts on these threads go back… WOW!!! I want to explore your ideas without doing too much of a deep dive and see if I can come to similar conclusions. I’ve had suspicions about the casque being in GGP… just seemed to be too obvious. However, I always seem to get drawn back.
I posted a few ideas on the image 1 page… a walk-through of some observations from the 2 solved puzzles in relation to others. Maybe someone can glean some information from that. The other was in regards to the doughboy statue. Felt like an aha moment or maybe with this image permanently imprinted in my subconscious, I am seeing things… who knows.
Would like to hear what your thoughts on my interpretations of the verse and possible aha moment with the Doughboy statue image. Kind of a sanity check to see how far from reality I might be. I would also like to hear about your digging expeditions in regards to the level of difficulty in getting deeper than a foot or so.
I’m sure this pic brings back memories!
Took this pic a few weeks ago. Doing my due diligence in regards to the totem pole that once was.

Scrappy929

Took this pic a few weeks ago. Doing my due diligence in regards to the totem pole that once was.

If you draw a line out from each face of the plinth 5 feet then use those points to draw a box around the circumference.
the area in your picture has been dug down to about 4 feet. (and then probed)
I figured it out the other day. but basically a single 2x2x3 foot hole has about 900 lbs of sand in it. so lets justsay tons and tons.
you asked regards to the level of difficulty in getting deeper than a foot or so. since the ground in golden gate park is basically sand the gradient of your hole (unless the sand is wet. needs to be about 45 degrees.) if your sand is wet the angle of repose for the sand is much steeper you can almost go straight down. but wet sand can be twice as heavy as dry sand. so instead of almost 1000 pounds you need to move almost a ton.
to answer your question digging is hard work, in golden gate park, because of the weight, not because of the hardness of the soil.

Unknown

Unknown:
If you draw a line out from each face of the plinth 5 feet then use those points to draw a box around the circumference.
the area in your picture has been dug down to about 4 feet. (and then probed)
I figured it out the other day. but basically a single 2x2x3 foot hole has about 900 lbs of sand in it. so lets justsay tons and tons.
you asked regards to the level of difficulty in getting deeper than a foot or so. since the ground in golden gate park is basically sand the gradient of your hole (unless the sand is wet. needs to be about 45 degrees.) if your sand is wet the angle of repose for the sand is much steeper you can almost go straight down. but wet sand can be twice as heavy as dry sand. so instead of almost 1000 pounds you need to move almost a ton.
to answer your question digging is hard work, in golden gate park, because of the weight, not because of the hardness of the soil.

Yeah, I know about the sand underneath the ground and digging being hard work. I get that. How was the ground when you probed in that area and any other spots? I probed around the area where the double staircase near Stow Lake Drive is and I could easily get my probe down to 4 feet. However, at the Doughboy Statue, probing was not going easy at all. Like I mentioned, I didn’t want to use too much excessive force to probe. Only getting a foot into the ground though before hitting high resistance in every spot in and around the area… quite disappointing. Any tips to probing in difficult ground conditions, outside of getting an irrigation layout?

Hello all. I am new to the thread but have been researching these puzzles for quite some time. Nowhere near as long as some veterans here though. I live just north of Sacramento, about a 2-3 hr drive from San Francisco. I thought I would offer up some insight on some things I have discovered. When I first heard of The Secret after watching an episode of Expedition Unknown, I was instantly captured. I couldn’t believe that I had never heard of this before. What I set out to do initially, was to take the image and verse and make some of my own conclusions without “pre-reading” what others have already discovered. This way, I could really compare what I discovered compared to what others have discovered. I do have a few ideas with the verse and image that I have not seen after reading through the entire thread of both verse 7 and image 1. Since there has yet to be a casque discovery in San Francisco, I took note of all those before me that offered up their ideas. Even if it is just a line here or there, it could come back as a clue later on.
First, I would like to offer up a respectful thank you to those that have spent a considerable amount of personal time in doing research and exploring different ideas at the various places in connection to this verse.
I have quite a bit of information to pass along. Instead of clumping everything into one thread or the other, I decided to just place my thoughts for the verse here. I have more research to share regarding the walk-through solutions of the Chicago & Cleveland puzzles and how they may possibly relate to the San Francisco puzzle. I will share those thoughts on the image thread along with other new information regarding a possible “aha” moment that has yet to be mentioned from the image.
1. At stone wall’s door
2. The air smells sweet
For me, I start at the wall in Shakespeare’s Garden. A couple of things here… It is a wall, not necessarily natural stone, but made of brick and concrete. There were once doors that covered the bust of Shakespeare but they have since been removed. This garden has all of the flowers that were mentioned in his works. There are 6 bronze plaques, 3 on each side, that reference lines from his work that include flowers. On the 6th plaque, we see a famous line from Romeo & Juliet, “What’s in a name? That which we call a rose by any other name would smell as sweet.”
Interpretation: Literally standing “At” stone wall’s door, the air smells sweet. This could have a duel meaning as the garden has a very sweet smell and the mention of the line from Romeo & Juliet.
3. Not far away
4. High posts of three
This has been referenced many times to Sutro Tower. I also concur here. A very short walk from Shakespeare’s Garden to the Music Concourse, one can see Sutro Tower on a clear day.
5. Education and Justice
6. For all to see
Here we see the word Justice capitalized. The only other time that I could find as to why the word Justice appears capitalized, outside of being used as a proper noun, is in the preamble to the Constitution. “We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice…” Another possible answer as to why Justice is capitalized is the author wanted to draw special attention to this word.
Interpretation: Education here could refer to the California Academy of Sciences. In the same area, on the easterly side of the concourse is a monument of Sir Francis Scott Key, author of the Star-Spangled Banner. Reference the flag here and recall childhood mornings at school reciting the pledge of allegiance which ends with, “…with liberty and justice for all.”
7. Sounds from the sky
8. Near ace is high
Interpretation: Strawberry Hill is the highest point in Golden Gate Park and many a bird enthusiast visit here. Sounds of many birds can be heard here. I also concur that “Near ace is high” refers to Crossover Drive, which eventually turns into Highway 1.
9. Running north but first across
Interpretation: I’ve come at this from a few different directions. John F Kennedy Drive was formerly named North Drive and was renamed to JFK Drive in 1967. This road runs “across” the entire park in an east/west direction. This could be referencing running along “north” drive which runs “across” the park. Could also mean to go “across” “north” drive. Another interpretation I have seen here is also a play on words where you have, running north but first a cross… as in a literal cross, possibly referencing Prayerbook Cross, which happens to be across JFK drive a little ways down from Strawberry Hill.
10. In jewel’s direction
11. Is an object of Twain’s attention
Interpretation: This seems to be a topic of much debate. In jewel’s direction… I relate this as being similar to the Chicago verse, “Beyond his shoulder…” which provides a direction to head from the previous verse line. As far as Twain’s attention… *sighs* Going through many of the monuments, statues, and other things in the park, one can relate Twain to a lot of different things here.
12. Giant pole
13. Giant step
Interpretation: This has been a topic of much conversation as well. Not much to add here that hasn’t already been mentioned.
I have only offered up my thoughts and observations to maybe help others or to give new insight to something that may have been previously unknown.

Okay…as a guy in the Bay Area, I’m gonna give this some thought. I work 10 minutes south of SF…

Mister EZ

Read them….then, go get some mustard and eat me.
=]

Obviously you needed more hugs as a child. Come now angry little man – everything will be OK.

Spiritr

anyone know what Oggtt is? It’s a milk product from…..?

Starbucks.
But, only as Venti.

OH!……I thought he was talking about getting his freak on with some mustard. – MY BAD.

Would you believe Dunkin Donuts, in the 14 oz dark roast….?

what does that has to do with Verse 7?

How about: It’s from Ace Vending offered as a dairy substitute additive for their decaf selection, served in a flimsy, wax coated, non-thermal, 4 oz paper cup….??

Spiritr

what does that has to do with Verse 7?

If you can reach, based on the first letters of the last 5 lines in the verse, then so can I, using anything that pops into my head.

ah, so you do know my perspective….
very nice EZ, very smart

Spiritr

Ace Vending? a company found in 1998?

Nooooo……focus on the size of the cup and the time spent roasting the beans…..

jayheedan1

Very true for all we know there are ten v and p that can matched up differently for all we know for sure.
Thre is a lot of similarities between most of the verses and the locations that are too obscure to be coincidental it would seem but what do I know, cause I don’t.
For instance the Sarmiento quote from verse two is about the St Charles hotel in NO, but their is a statue of Sarmiento in the commonwealth parkway that connects Charlesgate to Boston commons gardens just a block away from the “circles” thought to where the casque is buried. Seems an odd coincidence.

I wish there was a way to cross reference posts. Adding to your thoughts on the Sarmiento statue in Boston. I have also thought about this coincidence. In my thinking, I use the woman’s dress, the middle part, with the 3 blocks and all the viney things, in image 11, as the Commonwealth Avenue Mall (what you are calling the commonwealth parkway). Notice in the top block of the dress there is a leaf, let’s just say this is the Leif Erikson Statue. Now, starting at Leif, moving down the mall, into the third block. Where the globe hits the third block in the image is exactly where the Sarmiento statue is on the Comm Ave mall when using the blocks in the dress as blocks in the mall.
There are some of those turret style homes nearby too.
Who knows

http://www.waymarking.com/waymarks/WMKY … _Boston_MA
Seems Sarmiento was influenced by Horace Mann and is the reason for the Connection.

jayheedan1

http://www.waymarking.com/waymarks/WMKYAQ_Domingo_Faustino_Sarmiento_Boston_MA
Seems Sarmiento was influenced by Horace Mann and is the reason for the Connection.

Yes, such as this, in Sarmiento’s Travels in the U.S. in 1847…”Sarmiento describes the help Mann gave him and continues: Armed with these documents, and a collection of his lectures, reports, and speeches, and nourished with his oral instructions, I returned to South America and during these years have done nothing else but follow in his footsteps, his great work in organizing education in Massaschusetts serving as my model”

Honestly, reading this forum sometimes is like watching a bunch of kids playing Marco Polo in a pool. A really, really big pool.
That is all.

Euhirudinea

Honestly, reading this forum sometimes is like watching a bunch of kids playing Marco Polo in a pool. A really, really big pool.
That is all.

There’s a lot of carrots in that stew.

Marco~

Scrappy929

That is interesting. Could be possible…
I am interpreting jewel’s direction as west. Here’s why… The poem says casque and jewel. The casque does not contain a jewel. If you use the robe as the outline of GGP, then the jewel is placed at the west end.
In the
west
direction
Is an object
Of Twain’s attention…
Head west from the point you are at “Near ace is high, Running north, but first across”
I have also parsed line 9 to read as:
Sounds from the sky near ace is high running north.
But first across in
west
direction is an object of Twain’s attention…
This interpretation would mean that we would go west first then north, not going line by line in order, which we know is not the case in the other 2 solves.

Before going to deep down that rabbit hole BP used Casque/Key/Jewel/treasure, interchangeably throughout the hunt.

Thx for the info. Not going too deep with that interpretation. Just a thought since quite a few of the verses play on words.

Scrappy929

I am interpreting jewel’s direction as west.

I just think it interesting that not too long ago someone said the exact same thing,
except,
I am interpreting Jewels direction as east, because they are actually in a vault in NY….

sounds from the sky, three high posts, and a stone wall….
https://www.trover.com/d/Fr2m-aquatic-p … california

If we take the Japanese translation hint to heart on this, and it is so specific I have a hard time not doing so, the sound from the sky is something that requires a device in order for human ears to hear (i.e. a radio). That doesn’t fit as well into the foghorn, loudpeaker, or bird theories.
You would also need a device for a telephone or telegraph but those are sounds from a wire, not sounds from the sky. A radio broadcast is literally a sound from the sky.

Goldengate

This is a great shot and the Balclutha and could certainly be part of the three posts if it’s in that general waterfront area (I suggest doing a search via the search bar above and to the right. I know Malted Falcon and others had extensively researched (and dug) this area years ago). Also worth nothing the Balclutha was not docked in the pictured location in 81-82. Back then It was at Pier 41 — which is still close.

Merlin, that is a great photo from that angle of the West Speaker Tower.
GG, I like the Balclutha as as “High posts are three” since my starting point for the puzzle is Pier 43. While the Balclutha is easy to see from many spots along the different piers, is was easily seen from Pier 43.
At stone wall’s door
– Pier 43 (Our Russian lady is pointing to line 4 and line 3 on the cuffs of her robe)
The air smells sweet
– Refers to the smell of Freedom, not chocolate.
Pier 43 was where immigrants would come from Angel Island to the mainland after being processed. Also, this was the Pier used for Alcatraz prisoners coming and going. When the immigrants landed here and when the prisoners who had served their time landed here, they smelled the air of sweet freedom.

Spiritr

Marco~

Giant Polo ~

I like where your heads at on this – keep up the good work Backstop!

Goldengate

This is a great shot and the Balclutha and could certainly be part of the three posts if it’s in that general waterfront area (I suggest doing a search via the search bar above and to the right. I know Malted Falcon and others had extensively researched (and dug) this area years ago). Also worth nothing the Balclutha was not docked in the pictured location in 81-82. Back then It was at Pier 41 — which is still close.

Yup.
And, search for recent posts (around June) made by Durian in the Image 1 thread….like these:
http://quest4treasure.co.uk/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=770&p=142230#p142230
http://quest4treasure.co.uk/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=770&start=2175#p142392
Looks very similar, in a “same general location” sort of way.
Also, while in that general vicinity, read some of the responses he got.
This one debunks the ‘it’s by the bleachers /tiles’ theory:
http://quest4treasure.co.uk/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=770&start=2175#p142415
Which got him to the leap to this, seen from the speakers:
http://quest4treasure.co.uk/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=770&start=2190#p142423
(Seeeeeee…..the search thing is your friend. So is reading previous posts.)

EZ……You’re such a WEENIE!

MERLIN

EZ……You’re such a WEENIE!

Read them….then, go get some mustard and eat me.
=]

anyone know what Oggtt is? It’s a milk product from…..?

dp12345

I’m very new to this whole treasure thing. I read a local newspaper article referenced in the document below that brought this to light for me. It took me two days to tie it all out. I submitted this document, as well as a formal request to the National Park Service. As you can probably guess, my request was denied.
Whether it is there today or not I have no idea, but it was definitely buried there sometime before the book was published. I would guess he visited St. Louis in July of 1981. I would like to notify his surviving kids, but really have no idea where to start.
Byron was actually very clever. Tell me what you think.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1QYdcj7 … sp=sharing

Do you have an explanation for these photos? Pretty convincing just to be coincidence…
https://imgur.com/gallery/FnRb2Bo

How do you upload an attachment? I can provide the solution for this Verse and the corresponding image.

dp12345

How do you upload an attachment? I can provide the solution for this Verse and the corresponding image.

If you have an attachment, you have to upload it to a cloud based site like dropbox or Google Drive. Then you create a link on here that points to the file and paste the link into your post.

I have the document saved in my Google Drive. How do you create the link? Sorry for all the questions, this is the first time I have ever posted to a message board.

dp12345

I have the document saved in my Google Drive. How do you create the link? Sorry for all the questions, this is the first time I have ever posted to a message board.

Go to the file on Google Drive and right click, you should see an option for “Get Sharable Link”. Click on that. That will be your working link to the file.
Then make a post on here and paste the link into the text box you use to type your message. Should work.

I’m very new to this whole treasure thing. I read a local newspaper article referenced in the document below that brought this to light for me. It took me two days to tie it all out. I submitted this document, as well as a formal request to the National Park Service. As you can probably guess, my request was denied.
Whether it is there today or not I have no idea, but it was definitely buried there sometime before the book was published. I would guess he visited St. Louis in July of 1981. I would like to notify his surviving kids, but really have no idea where to start.
Byron was actually very clever. Tell me what you think.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1QYdcj7 … sp=sharing

Unknown

Unknown:
“Fore” is another word for “ahead” (think of a ship’s fore and aft). Yelling “fore” is simply a shorter way to yell “watch out ahead” (or “watch out before”). It allows golfers to be forewarned, in other words.

on the golf’s “fore!”, from a golf wiki faq thingy,

“FOUR OF A KIND” — 142 Throckmorton Theatre, 142 Throckmorton Ave., Mill Valley; 383-9600;
www.142throckmortontheatre.org
. Dec. 4: Ruth Stotter’s play imagines an 1888 poker game between four notable Sams — Brannan, Hall, Hill and Clemens (better known as Mark Twain). 3 p.m. $12.
LOL!

If it is verse 7, it would solve without any actual golf reference.
Dont make this more difficult that it needs to be.
To get this far I have been trying to simplify the hunt down to the very basic steps.
I think I have and I believe it will lead me to a casque.

It’s good sportsmanship not to pick up lost balls while they are still rolling. Golf is a good walk spoiled.
-mark twain

Glossiphoniidae

It’s good sportsmanship not to pick up lost balls while they are still rolling. Golf is a good walk spoiled.

. Maybe BP buried a bucket of balls with the casque.
Twain often wrote about etiquette.

i wish he had buried the jewels with the casques,
but oh well

maltedfalcon

If it is verse 7, it would solve without any actual golf reference.
Dont make this more difficult that it needs to be.
To get this far I have been trying to simplify the hunt down to the very basic steps.
I think I have and I believe it will lead me to a casque.

i still think giant as in really BIG, for those lines it would just be
too hard to figure out someone elses step or stride, i would think
but thanks for the heads up on pole.
i own 13  acres and 4 poles, and in the 27 years that
i have had the land, i could never find out how much
a pole was, or even for sure what it meant.

Giant pole
Giant step
a standard for measuring by pole…  1 pole = 16.5 feet
if an average (male) step is approx  2.5 feet …
How would we define “Giant”?
Remembering child hood games a giant step was as far as you could stretch without falling down…
As an adult of average hight (not considered short or tall) I’m at about 3.5 ft for a comfortable Giant step.
This is about a 40% increase.
Using that a Giant pole would be 23.1 Ft
23.1 + 3.5 = 26.6      approx  26 feet 7 inchs

Goonie68

That is a Margarita glass, you should see the size of the chips!

Or the salting bowl!

Education and Justice
For all to see
1. Was there a police lookout tower in the park? You know the elevated kind where they could see everything. Also, if there was one near the playground, I’m sure they would have “Educated” the kids. Handed out junior badges, etc. Maybe even an early D.A.R.E. type thing, remember Preiss wrote a comic book for drug education in 1971.
2. Park Ranger station. The rangers would have jurisdictional power and educate people about the park.
3. Mounted police. They are up high and create attention, especially for kids who ask all sorts of questions. Does your horse bite? Where does he sleep? Does he poop a lot??

I have’t seen this mentioned yet (at least not in this thread), but perhaps the object of Twain’s attention is Emperor Norton (
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_Norton
). Norton seemed to be quite a character, and pushed for a bridge to be built from San Francisco to Oakland as well as a tunnel under San Francisco Bay. Both of these things were later built. Mark Twain also lived in San Francisco during the time of Emperor Norton, and Norton apparently was the inspiration for the character “The King” in the book The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn.
As far as an object goes, there was a plaque (
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_No … ue3-01.png
) honoring Emperor Norton that was located at The Cliff House for many years, which was later relocated to the now demolished Transbay Terminal and is now in storage. According to the Emperor’s Bridge Campaign (campaign to rename the Bay Bridge to honor the Emperor), at the time The Secret was written and published, the plaque was located at The Cliff House (see
http://www.emperorsbridge.org/naming/1939-plaque/
).
The Cliff House has already been of interest in this search in the past for both Mark Twain’s interest in the building, the potential “giant pole” that is the Totem Pole located at the Cliff House, and the nearby ruins of the Sutro Baths. However, perhaps the plaque honoring the gentleman that inspired one of Twain’s characters is the object of Twain’s attention.
I recognize this may be of limited value, but if we find the burial location, perhaps this will be an indicator of which way to move for our giant step (ex: Cliff House is southwest of Legion of Honor, so step/move southwest, etc).

regulus

Oh, JAX brewery is in New Orleans?  I thought that it was in San Franisco.  My bad.
But don’t you think BP would have taken into account that the brewery could go out of business?
New Orleans, that would explain the object of Twain’s attention.

More likely the object of Twain’s attention would be the Mississippi River or the Riverboats that use it. And as for the brewery going out of business, it’s not likely this hunt was supposed to continue as long as it did–so no, I don’t think he took that into account at all. Just like he probably never thought about what might happen in the event of a national emergency like Katrina.
I went through the entire thread here, and did not see the Jax sign photo, BTW.
Has anyone dug in Armstrong Park?
c

The Jax Brewery went out of business before
The Secret
was published. But the Jax Brewery building is a well-known landmark in New Orleans, catty-corner from Jackson Square in the heart of the city. The sign is very prominent and lit at night:
I don’t think anyone has dug in Armstrong Park – we dont’ know where to dig.

Fox-
I will post this here … as an answer..but feel free to
link and move if necessary…
I tend to think that verse three is also Boston and I want
to lnk it with pandora and the globes….
Now.. for the new piece to get into your head…
“feel at home”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_Water
actually fits in nicely with “face the water”.

Oh, JAX brewery is in New Orleans?  I thought that it was in San Franisco.  My bad.
But don’t you think BP would have taken into account that the brewery could go out of business?
New Orleans, that would explain the object of Twain’s attention.
Then what V goes with SF?
Verse 3 isn’t Boston I don’t think, because there is no P for Boston.
AHHHHHHHHHHHHRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>:( >:( >:(

regulus

Oh, JAX brewery is in New Orleans?  I thought that it was in San Franisco.  My bad.
But don’t you think BP would have taken into account that the brewery could go out of business?
New Orleans, that would explain the object of Twain’s attention.

The brewery has been out of business for a long time.
The sign (and building) are a monument/institution.
There are shops there now.
Similar to Liberty Place….
No longer there, shops and hotels.
It is called Canal Place today.

forest_blight

We’ve already given it a quarter of a century, fox – time’s up!

if that is the case, then I guess 10 of the 12 original casques no longer exist either…time to hang it up
just goofing w/ ya here FB.
I agree with you Trohn (oooh, did I actually say that
) and also tentatively have pandora’s box/globes P linked to Boston.  Why..?..you ask.  I am not sure hehehe.

regulus

Verse 3 isn’t Boston I don’t think, because there is no P for Boston.
AHHHHHHHHHHHHRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>:( >:( >:(

arrrrrgh
!!
not this again….no, i cant take it
If not Beantown….than what?
My bet is: give it time and a P WILL be correctly connected to the Boston V.

We’ve already given it a quarter of a century, fox – time’s up!

Some days it’s all I can do to stay awake; researching moves too slowly.  But I did find this:
The verse says:
Running north, but first across
In jewel’s direction
Is an object
Of Twain’s attention
I looked up things that might be considered to have “Twain’s attention.” I found that he had written a book for his first wife about Joan d’Arc. As you probably know, Ms. d’Arc was also known as the “Maid of Orleans” and a statue of her stands at the edge of the French Quarter near Audubon Park. A rather famous statue. I can’t find much else that shows me what the “giant pole” might be, but the “Giant Step” could be a Rampart–or as it’s now designated, Rampart
Street.
Someone who lives there—is there soemthing in this area that might fit the bill?
Giant pole
Alternative ideas for “pole”:
Magnetic pole
, (Magneto?);
cane
(sugar cane–Audubon Park was once a large sugar-cane producing plantation);
stick
(may be a reference to the “big red stick”–Baton Rouge?);
method of propulsion
: raft pole/barge pole;
pole building;
poule
(Fr. for hen–is there a large chicken nearby?;
shaft; position on a racetrack; maypole;
and one that has been discussed before: a mast. In fact, that could also account for the ‘step’–in a giant mast, there would certainly be a giant step.
I’m sure there are others.
Giant step
Levee, sure–but rampart too. or seat of a mast. Sailing ship or tall ship nearby in 1981?
ck

where it is and what it looks like today.
http://darwinbondgraham.blogspot.com/20 … place.html
I wish I can say that it was here (on this spot) in 1981, but I
can not.
“General Riverfront Reconstruction”
When Ernest Morial became the first black mayor of the city in 1981, he attempted to remove the monument, but was stopped from doing so by the majority white City Council, which forbade the moving of any monuments without its consent. (Does the Council therefore merit an award for fending off the forces of censorship?) The Council did, however, authorize the removal of any offensive wording on the monument (so maybe it doesn’t deserve an award after all). Smooth granite slabs were then placed over the 1934 additions, presumably obviating the need for the plaque’s renunciatory sentiments.
During the late 1980s the administration of a second black mayor, Sidney Barthelemy, tried to remove the monument permanently from view during the course of general riverfront reconstruction, when it had been taken down from its Canal Street location. However, an interesting alliance of traditionalists, historical preservationists, and white supremacists successfully blocked the effort. Nevertheless, the monument was ultimately moved from its original spot to a decidedly more obscure setting about a block away, where it now languishes out of the sight of most of the tourists who crowd Canal Street and its fine shops, casinos, municipal aquarium, and vistas of the Mississippi. It remains in the area at all only because of a consent agreement between the City and the State Historic Preservation Officer, based on federal historic preservation laws, that the monument remain in the general vicinity of the battle.
So, if we have any belief that this is where we are lead to,
the casque was gone potentially way before Katrina.
Yet another source…
Of course if that were truly the case, current debates about memorials would not be so acrimonious. Take the case of the New Orleans Liberty Monument, which in 1993 was finally removed from its place on busy Canal Street to a more obscure location. Erected in 1891, the Liberty Monument commemorates the so-called Battle of Liberty Place—an 1874 skirmish between members of the racist White League and an alliance of Republican whites and newly enfranchised African Americans. While the monument included the names of the anti-Reconstruction White Leaguers, it did not until recently include the names of the mostly black militia members who died fighting them. Over the years, various plaques were added to the imposing obelisk alternately affirming or attempting to neutralize the monument’s original message. When the whole structure was temporarily removed in 1989, ostensibly to allow for street repairs, preservationists and civil rights activists engaged in opposing rallies. “Take that sucker out in the Atlantic Ocean and dump it,” demanded a civil rights activist who believed a monument to white supremacy had no place in a city with a majority African-American population. In response to such sentiments Richard Bell, president of the Louisiana Historical Society, told the Christian Science Monitor that “You can’t go around destroying statues and monuments because of the political atmosphere of the day. Where would it end?”
and finnally…
a photo of the Riverfront reconstruction – circa 1995
http://www.tulane.edu/~rivgate/notes_ap … arger.html
a beautiful shot of the area when the casque was finding a home…
http://www.tulane.edu/~rivgate/notes_ap … arger.html
You can clearly see in this aieral of the Liberty Monument, that “one giant step”
from the base of the monument, leads to one spot. (without confusion)
nothing confirmed/nothing proven/nothing.

Goonie68

No nothing interesting in the boulders, there is only a stair case that leads up to a flat path , and about mid way up there is an opening where you can walk through grouping of trees, or on some day’s you might experience a squatter or two! I only checked this area out for a friend.

We better get digging soon!

Where’s your dig-spot G?

gManTexas

We better get digging soon!

YES! LET”S Do this!!!

I’ll bring popcorn and chair!

search64

Giant step, giant pole could be this:
http://www.artandarchitecture-sf.com/th … house.html

I was sure someone was going to get excited by this find. So let me repost
There is a Totem pole near the Cliff House, which has been there for a long long time (mind you,it was moved a few yards somewhere after the 1950s). One of the biggest totempoles in history. Giant pole, giant step: take as big a step as the pole is large. Can someone check out the area?
Moving north but first across in the direction of the jewel, by the way, I think should be interpreted quite literally: the jewel is located on the image at one side of Golden Gate park. So move towards it (move westwards), and the north. Exactly where the pole at Cliff House is located.

search64

I was sure someone was going to get excited by this find. So let me repost.

Hi search64 – welcome to the hunt. This has been discussed previously. Unfortunately the forum’s search facility is currently broken, so there’s really no alternative to ploughing through the entire thread to see what’s already been discovered…

WhiteRabbit

Hi search64 – welcome to the hunt. This has been discussed previously. Unfortunately the forum’s search facility is currently broken, so there’s really no alternative to ploughing through the entire thread to see what’s already been discovered…

So why was it abandoned? I tried to search for Cliff house, and totem but nothing came up.

Sorry guys.
In the 2 days before my first posts as a Newbie got approved, I changed my mind.
Like with my solution for Verse #6, I don’t want to put it “out there” and embarrass myself
if it is wrong.
If someone lives in San Fran and wants to PM me first, I will share the solution privately.
Once we arrange to check out the spot and to share the recognition and reward, then we can share the solution to the puzzle
on the full board.
DocZ

DocZ

Sorry guys.
In the 2 days before my first posts as a Newbie got approved, I changed my mind.
Like with my solution for Verse #6, I don’t want to put it “out there” and embarrass myself
if it is wrong.
If someone lives in San Fran and wants to PM me first, I will share the solution privately.
Once we arrange to check out the spot and to share the recognition and reward, then we can share the solution to the puzzle
on the full board.
DocZ

DocZ, that is not how our message board works. We cooperate with one another, share clues and ideas, and give best wishes if someone wants to dig. You coming on the board and saying you have solved, not 1 but 2 verses, and that you are not going to share your thoughts, is not helpful to anyone. If you think you know the answer, go dig. If you want to share it with us, we are here to listen to all ideas.

I don’t remember the verdict; inconclusive probably. It’s a distinctive pole, but I’m not sure that it has a lot else going for it, or anywhere obvious to dig. Like I say, search is currently broken and only returns recent posts…
**************
I wonder if Twain uses a phrase regarding his attention in relation to this object; might help narrow it down a bit. Eg:
“But the two central figures claimed all my attention. Was ever such a contrast set up before a multitude till then? Napoleon…”
“Now and then Mr. Bixby called my attention to certain things. Said he, ‘This is Six-Mile Point.'”

Unknown

Unknown:
Egbert Wrote:
DocZ, that is not how our message board works. We cooperate with one another, share clues and ideas, and give best wishes if someone wants to dig. You coming on the board and saying you have solved, not 1 but 2 verses, and that you are not going to share your thoughts, is not helpful to anyone. If you think you know the answer, go dig. If you want to share it with us, we are here to listen to all ideas.

Ok Egbert, you convinced me. I will share one of the 2 solutions and see how much people shred my ideas. The other I gave privately to the guy doing the documentary. I will see if he checks it out before showing it to the rest.
Verse #7
At stone wall’s door
Start near a stone building with a door. Lots of older governmental buildings fit this bill. I am going to test out my theory using City Hall.
The air smells sweet
Not far away
It’s all in how you parse the sentence. The air does not have to smell sweet at the door, just nearby. So this reference to Ghirardelli Chocolate locates us in San Francisco, but does not necessarily mean we start at Ghirardelli Square.
High posts are three
I started thinking about City Hall because the 3 branches of government are located in and around it (not far away). But it does not hurt that there are 3 flagpoles on top of City Hall.
Education and Justice
For all to see
At Civic Center Plaza is the University of California Hastings School of Law.
Also at Civic Center Plaza is the California Supreme Court and the San Francisco Public Library. There is a lot of Education and Justice for all to see. I think we are on to something.
Sounds from the sky
Does sound carry from the San Francisco Opera or from the Louise M. Davies Symphony hall? Probably not. But many have said this refers to Sutro Tower and just confirms the San Francisco location without pointing towards the casque.
Near ace is high
Running north, but first across
Again, others have said this is a reference to Highway 1 which runs north and then across the Golden Gate bridge. It confirms that San Francisco is the right city, but again, I think it is not directly used to indicate the actual casque location.
In jewel’s direction
Is an object
Of Twain’s attention
Some have said Fulton was an object of Mark Twain’s attention. I am thinking about the Hotel Mark Twain in San Francisco. Both a section of Fulton Street and the Hotel Mark Twain are to the northeast of the part of Civic Center Plaza that I am thinking about. So either one works.
Giant pole
At the southwest corner of Civic Center Plaza, near the intersection of Grove Street and Polk Street, is one giant flagpole, that is larger than the other 18 flagpoles in the plaza. This is the giant pole.
Giant step
Go to the pole and take one giant step to the northeast – deeper into the plaza – (in the direction of Fulton Street or the Hotel Mark Twain).
To the place
The casque is kept.
And now you are ready to dig.

DocZ, thanks for sharing. Can you add something about how the painting works with your ideas and is there anything portion that needs to be dated?

WhiteRabbit

I don’t remember the verdict; inconclusive probably. It’s a distinctive pole, but I’m not sure that it has a lot else going for it, or anywhere obvious to dig. Like I say, search is currently broken and only returns recent posts…
**************
I wonder if Twain uses a phrase regarding his attention in relation to this object; might help narrow it down a bit. “

Yes, I suggest you read Twain’s Innocencts abroad. The section about the Milan Cathedal.
“Howsoever you look at the great cathedral, it is noble, it is beautiful! Wherever you stand in Milan or within seven miles of Milan, it is visible and when it is visible, no other object can chain your whole attention. Leave your eyes unfettered by your will but a single instant and they will surely turn to seek it. It is the first thing you look for when you rise in the morning, and the last your lingering gaze rests upon at night. Surely it must be the princeliest creation that ever brain of man conceived.”

As for the totem pole at cliff house.
When I went to check it out about 10 years ago, The pole had been removed, The building had been removed, the sidewalk had been removed, the road had been removed.
The area since has been re-built, the road is wider, the sidewalk has been replaced.
If the casque was in proximity to the totem pole it no longer exists

treetops

maltedfalcon, Are you referring to the brief item from the Jul 21, 1864 SF Call?
http://www.twainquotes.com/18640721defgh.html
I’m thinking this one is a little too obscure, especially to be known, or even discoverable, by someone pre-Internet..

That’s funny, It’s true, prior to the Internet nobody knew anything.
Actually there is plenty of Twain Stuff on the Internet, but the majority of his work not online.
he wrote quite a lot for the Sacramento Union, but yes he wrote an article that is very well known about a daytrip to “Lands-End”
Ad nauseum we have gone over how well read Byron Priess was.
Please remember the entire treasure hunt was written pre-internet and we have discovered interesting connections to quite obscure literary passages as well as very well known books.
I will simply point you to a very well known biography of Mark Twain, which mentions his visit to Fort Point. The reason it mentions a visit to Fort Point, was…. He wrote about it in his newspaper articles.
http://books.google.com/books?id=Yj2RPX … nt&f=false

I wonder why Preiss didnt just use a quotation from Twain, some witty pearl of wisdom. That wouldve been more like his use of Domingo Sarmiento in V2.

Welcome to all of the new minds and fresh eyes! Do not be discouraged if people do not jump onto your suggestions with enthusiasm; chances are, the same ideas were discussed ten years ago.
to maltedfalcon, is the current Google Street View older or newer than your visit? It does show a totem pole next to the restaurant.
for searcher64, I like the road along the coast near the Cliff House for its rock formations. The tricky part is in finding the exact spot where the totem pole was in 1980, after much renovation to the road and buildings there. I don’t remember specifically whether anyone ever suggested that a “giant step” would equal the height of the pole itself. I thought it meant to step off the cliff to the beach below. The casque would have easily been buried in sand — and probably washed away after years of storms and tides.
for DocZ, I could maybe imagine someone digging in Civic Center Plaza, if indeed the flag pole and grassy area existed back in 1980. I have my doubts that such a dig would have gone undisturbed for very long, or that landscaping wouldn’t have uncovered anything by now. Even if the site has not changed over the decades, the political climate has — I’m not sure what kinds of official permission one would need to obtain before risking a dig on city property today.

The current Google view is not more than 1 year old.
The extensive renovations of the area occurred in 2003
please compare these two images both of which show the totem pole in different places.
just before the renovations the pole was located close to where it is in the lower photo
(you can also see the pole has changed heights, the wood rots and they cut it off)
note the differences between the two photos, When I went in 2003 there was no curb, sidewalk, wall or road, it had all been removed and graded and then they installed re-bar re-enforced everything to make it earthquake safe.
Also between 1941 and 2003 the totem pole was in 3 different places. and technically I haven’t seen a definite location for it in 1980-81 at one point it was midway between the two locations shown.
Also the area below cliff house right there is just rock. The beach starts a little farther south.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cliff_Hous … e_Comp.jpg

come on all you west coasters….let Falcon know if you are showing up.  I know if it were me, I would be raring to dig the minute I stepped into the park..
Best of luck Falcon.  I do hope you find the casque. 3 down, 9 to go..?…  Be sure to take all the material you may need…the worst thing to happen would be to get there and be missing the key piece of information.
falcon, falcon, Falcon, FALcon, FALCON
!!!!! just a little cheering from the stands……  8)

Sorry, it doesn’t look like i’ll be free to make the trip on Wednesday. I’m dealing with the end of school year this week.  (My daughter is in middle school.)  I wish MF all the luck.

This would be a great time to find this treasure, Falcon, considering that pic 1 is connected to the month of June.
I hope all goes well.
–Johann

Best of luck for sure–keep us posted bud!  🙂

I agree. check several posts ago, I racked up what I thought were convincing arguements that this verse was NO.
Perhaps if the cask can’t be found in SF, that brings this one back there.
wilhouse

been trying to research ggp and found that a stone wall was built on the ne corner of fulton ave. here’s the link:
2-12
http://www.sfgov.org/site/uploadedfiles … istory.pdf

Running north, but first across
Has me thinking more clearly about racing and first across the finish line…the winner being a “champion” or “champ” which is similar to the word ‘camp’: Race and Camp streets?
I’m only venturing a guess here, but I think the idea is to go diagonally from the corner of Camp/Race towards the fountain and stop just on the other side of the lamp post.  Perhaps the Fountain is seen as the giant step and the lamp post is seen as the giant pole.
Here is a mash-up of match-ups for verse (ABC…) and image (123…)
A. “high posts are 3” matched to Dauphin St. (using La Dauphine sailing vessel with 3 masts)
B.  Brennan’s restaurant, “The air smells sweet”
C.  “education and justice”, John McDonogh statue in Lafayette park
D.  Polymnia, Camp, and Race streets, “giant pole”, “first across”=champ=camp, “running north”=racing
1.  Preservation Hall, written on clockface
2.  Toulouse/St. Louis streets, stick and mask
3.  Joan of Arc Statue (old location), resembles the way hand holds stick and mask
4.  Superdome, resembles Moon in clock
5.  Margaret Statue, area resembles short and long hands
6.  Coliseum Square Park, fountain and raised grass semi-circle closely match shapes in clock

sorry fox cant say i did i wasnt born along time ago

thanks for the extra conversions wilhouse….never know when they can come in handy.
doc, didnt mean that long ago.  TQ released April 1, 1995.  I remember a “doc” working on it along with our friend Cat… & thought maybe it was you.  Cat….still like apples  😉

what has happened here?  we seemed to be soooo close but just couldnt figure out how big is a “giant step”.  This may be way off but what the heck.
“Giant Pole”
pole aka rod aka perch aka lugg.
now students, please pull out your math books & conversion charts and follow along:
1 mile = 1760 yards = 5280 feet = 63360 inches = 320 POLES = 8 furlongs (each furlong contains 40 luggs or poles).
therefor:  1 POLE = 16.5 feet, 5.5 yards, or 198 inches.
well, we have a distance now  ???

wow fox im am very impressed, i would of never figured that out and with all those calculations it boggles my mind

Thanks Doc,
I was bored at work one day reading a library book on the supposed treasure buried near Rennes le Chateau and it mentioned poles.  The minute I read it, I took out a pen and started making calculations.  Who knows if it is right or not but it is a new direction to look towards re our Pole.

hey Doc,  did you by chance partake in TQ many years ago?

Just to confirm:
Archaic and less frequently used linear measure
3 hands = 1 foot
1 span 9 inches
1 rod, pole or perch = 16.5 feet
40 poles = 1 furlong
8 furlongs = 1 mile
320 rods = 1 mile
3 miles = 1 league
http://www.thetipsbank.com/convert.htm
Dan, where are  you posting stuff so you can embed it? When I try, I get an error cause I’m not logged on.
wilhouse

the sign on the flagpole says something like :
COUNTERBALANCED FLAGPOLE
PATENTED
L.PH. BOLANDER & SONS
SAN FRANCISCO CAL
I’m just guessing its not going to be easy to “Just lift up” that part of the flagpole base.

Could someone lift up the lawn outside the senior center?
Just have a look at what’s under there, maybe vacuum. Thanksabunch!

well you can be darn sure that when I go in a week or so,I will definitely Try and lift it.

Refer back to the book’s introduction (which is in image form) where it says, “A little digging is the task” …
I implore everyone to dismiss any thoughts of dismantling a support structure. Remember the size of the plexiglass and consider whether any flagpole or monument is going to have a void large enough to house our prize. “Hey, we haven’t found it yet by digging; maybe instead it’s inside a— nope!” Just, nope.

It’s a great point. I assure you all talk of dismantling stuff was in jest. Even I’m aware of how Preiss said “
every
[sic] treasure casque is buried underground.” It’s only that it woudl take 1 second. Next time you pass a lamp or flagpole with an intricate base, lift it. I’ve yet to find one that won’t lift easily, although I’m expecting to be wrong for this one. It’s just that it takes 1 second to check.

Also, Caterwood’s right. We need to only dismantle structures large enough to house a box. Everybody meet at the statue of liberty.

catherwood

“Hey, we haven’t found it yet by digging; maybe instead it’s inside a— nope!” Just, nope.

catherwood

Refer back to the book’s introduction (which is in image form) where it says, “A little digging is the task” …
I implore everyone to dismiss any thoughts of dismantling a support structure. Remember the size of the plexiglass and consider whether any flagpole or monument is going to have a void large enough to house our prize. “Hey, we haven’t found it yet by digging; maybe instead it’s inside a— nope!” Just, nope.

It’s fun to dogpile on a thread, I do it too.
But if you’re going to go for such low hanging fruit, at least read the recent posts. You would have seen that I said “Preiss said he buried every casque in the ground,” and that most of this recent discussion was tongue-in-cheek. You would have also seen the picture I posted which clearly shows the base could accommodate the casque.
I’ve just been noticing that a lot of us, myself included, are getting a little over-eager to start the comedy ball rolling on bad solves. I obviously don’t think it’s under the base, but it would take 1 second to check and it’s bringing me a little joy of the hunt. Do I not deserve 1 second of joy for the all the hours I’ve spent tracing SF bus routes from 1980 to see if they make a dragon shape?
tl;dr: You can’t make fun of me, I chose to make fun of myself!

Goonie68

Yes I will post the whole map tonight.

Goonie68, any chance you can post the entire map soon, or the area around Coit Tower?

starke49

Goonie68, any chance you can post the entire map soon, or the area around Coit Tower?

Oh sorry yes I will post it when I get a chance.

I was looking back over the 2 solved images and verses and I noticed that both had a line that referenced something in the image. Verse 4 has “Seek the columns” and Image 4 has columns. Verse 12 has “Fence and fixture” and that is what was in Image 5. So when I am matching an image to a verse I try so see what could be referenced in the verse that is also in the image.
What is that reference for Image 1 and Verse 7? Some say the “Giant poll” is the rose stem. Could it be something else or is this nothing at all?

Dominick

I was looking back over the 2 solved images and verses and I noticed that both had a line that referenced something in the image. Verse 4 has “Seek the columns” and Image 4 has columns. Verse 12 has “Fence and fixture” and that is what was in Image 5. So when I am matching an image to a verse I try so see what could be referenced in the verse that is also in the image.
What is that reference for Image 1 and Verse 7? Some say the “Giant poll” is the rose stem. Could it be something else or is this nothing at all?

Stone wall’s door

It doesn’t match as good as the image 4 or 5.

I just got word that the spot I’ve been considering would get a nice thorough examination by some outstanding young researchers.  Hopefully some close ups and pics from the right angle might reveal some indication of it being the right spot.  There must’ve been too little daylight left when they arrived.  Let’s hope they pickup where they left off tomorrow morning.  It’s always refreshing to know some folks are willing to lend a hand in the search.
More news later.
News update: trio of young experts abort mission in favor of extra time in Redwoods.

I just want to throw out my theory that I am working on. I am using this verse with image one and I am searching in Golden Gate Park.
I think it is in Shakespeare’s Garden. I think that the bust of Shakespeare is the an “Object of of Twain’s attention”. I know that some hunters see this bust as the first line “At stone wall’s door.”
I do not for three reasons.
1st, it is not really a door or a doorway, it is a shelf.
2nd, there were 2 doors in 1982 not one door.
3rd, this is a brick wall not a stone wall.
I think that many people saw this “stone wall’s door” theory on The Secret forum and have taken it as fact. It has never sat right with me. The more I look into Shakespeare’s Garden the more I believe it is the treasure location. Has anyone dug here at all?

Unknown

Unknown:
My goal in unearthing the casque was to find someone who would pay at least $50,000 for it.

I can appreciate the charitable cause, and hope for your continued success. However, to suggest that these things might be worth $50,000. is pretty irresponsible IMO. The hunt already has enough trouble with illegal, destructive digging.

Hi everyone,
I believe that I have solved the location of the San Francisco “Secret” casque. I first emailed this solution to Josh Gates at
[email protected]
and then, when I received no response over the course of a month, I emailed this solution to the pbworks website. I emailed Expedition Unknown because, in working with the wonderful guys at SF Parks and Rec (Brian and Kevin), I found out that the Expedition UnKnown team planned to film at the park in a different spot from the one I believe the casque was buried.
I emailed my solution to the pbworks website in an attempt to head off what I felt would be a wasted effort on the part of the film crew. And, if this solution is accepted as viable, I wanted to end fruitless effort on searchers’ part and alleviate the burden on Parks and Rec staff as well. The moderator of the pbworks website did not respond and I haven’t received a response to a request join the website. Note: I was able to post this at TreasureNet as well.
I took photos and cautioned them and annotated some to help explain this solution. Here’s the link to the page:
https://www.dorisdillonschoolincambodia.org/golden-gate-park/url]
Here’s the email to Josh Gates about this solution:
Brian Dewitt, Golden Gate Parks and Rec primary contact for dig permits suggested that I send this email to you.
I had applied for a permit to dig in the park and, during discussions with Brian and Kevin Tibbetts, I learned that a dig had been arranged for you to film.
I was just informed by Brian that the area I applied to dig in was excavated to a level of four feet after Byron Preiss buried the casque.
I am convinced my solution is correct. I want to share it with you in the event that your dig is unsuccessful.
As most solutions agree, start in Shakespeare’s Garden. (“At stone wall’s door…”)
Leave there and enter the Music Concourse. (Not far away…”) My wife Denise and I went to the Monet exhibit at the de Young last Thursday–Sutro Tower is sooo close…)
Then, go to the Francis Scott Key monument. (“Education and justice…Education refers to the Academy of Science. Walk past that and you see the Francis Scott Key monument. This is where the solution diverges from others because of the missing word “Liberty”. When you hear, “and justice for all” as other solutions have pointed out, you think of the Pledge of Allegiance. If you substitute “liberty” for “education” (…with
“liberty
and justice for all”), you have the tie-in with the monument since Liberty crowns the top of the monument….with a furled flag in hand.
“Sounds from the sky/Near ace is high” confirm that the Music Concourse is correct (the amphitheater and Hwy 1 “bracket it to the south and north). As many solutions point out, “Near ace” can refer to Highway 1 which is north of the Francis Scott Key monument. That focuses you on looking toward Hwy. 1.
So, if you look directly due north from the Francis Scott Key monument, you see the St. Francis statue. This ties in with the next clue: “Running north but first across.” If you ‘run’ straight north from the FSK monument, you see St. Francis holding a cross, facing away from the north, in a southerly direction.
The next clue has been really difficult for others to solve: “In jewel’s direction is an object of Twain’s attention” What I found was this: Preiss used a little known fact from Twain’s life as the basis for this clue. In 1861, Twain joint the Confederate Marion Rangers but lasted only two weeks. He “de-enlisted” because of the looming threat posed forces led by a colonel in the Union army: Ulysses S. Grant…Grant’s statue stands to the south of the St. Francis statue. if you draw a line through the two, it intersects with the place I wanted to dig. “Attention”, a military term, further reinforces this, btw.
The final lines have been difficult for many to solve because Preiss’s clues need to tell you exactly where to dig. This solution resolves that problem. The final clue deals with the Cider Press Mill statue. A over-sized young guy pulls a ‘giant’ pole with two hands on one side and a foot braced to push on the other. ]If you extend his foot to take a “giant step”, it comes down on the place I wanted to dig, the place intersected by a line drawn from the St. Francis statue through the U.S. Grant statue.
Hopefully, this convinces you as much as it convinced me. If so, and you bring some kind of ground penetrating radar, you can see if, somehow, the casque is still there. If don’t have that equipment, maybe you can persuade them to dig anyway.
My goal in unearthing the casque was to find someone who would pay at least $50,000 for it. My wife Denise and I spearheaded the building of a middle school in rural Cambodia in 2007 and have created a 501(c)3 non-profit organization (Doris Dillon School in cambodia EIN 47-1509301to support it. Last year 60 high school and college students, parents, teachers and professors did volunteer work at our school. Each time we and others work with students and families, we find more that we can do. So, our yearly fundraising is over 7X what it was when we started 11 years ago and growing. As anyone involved in no-profit work knows, the pressure to fundraise is relentless. I had hoped that finding a buyer for the casque would somehow provide a year’s worth of funding at present levels.
Here’s the link to our website:
https://www.dorisdillonschoolincambodia.org
Of course, I would be glad to meet with you when you’re up here to go over the solution I discovered. My wife Denise and I are retired teachers and so we’ve moved beyond the ‘fame and glory’ period of our lives and are into the ‘legacy’ years, so I’m not trying to angle for a spot on your show.
Two more notes:
Denise and I met you when you were filming King Stephen’s arm in Budapest (the scene was cut). We told you how we loved your humor and you replied “Hi, I’m Josh…where are you from?” We so many others about how naturally unassuming and approachable you are. With you, we feel, there is no such thing as a TV persona you put on when the camera rolls.
My attempt to solve this mystery has taught me a little about how Byron Preiss approaches creating his clues. I was shocked at how little time I needed to find a solution that I’m convinced is correct for the New Orleans casque (the key stumbling block is figuring out who the word “namesakes” refers to.). The spot is in a place that, I don’t think, has been dug up to a level of four feet…if you want, I can work with you and your staff on this solution.
Thanks for taking the time to read this. Let me know your thoughts.
***
This solution works really well from a ‘boots on the ground’ perspective, if you walk through the clues one at a time. The way he wrote the clues creates a sense of discovery as you walk from one statue to the next. The catalyst for me in solving this is the word ‘liberty’, substituted for ‘education’. When you stand before the FSK statue and see ‘Liberty” above his seated pose, it leads you directly north to the statue of St. Francis, key to the name of the city. (btw, “to see” could connect to the two ‘C’s” in the name Francis Scott Key, although that could just be a coincidence….).
A further confirmation: when you stand at the dig site, facing the two white ‘female lion’ Egyptian-Type states across the street, the head of the one on the right is turned slightly so that it looks directly at you. As noted on the pbworks site, the woman in the painting resembles these statues.
I applied for a dig permit and was one day away from digging when Brian from Parks and Rec called me to explain that the area was dug out to a level of at least four feet when the DeYoung Museum underwent a major reconstruction. The current underground garage was added too, so he felt that the casque has been inadvertently dug up during the construction work and dumped with the dirt that was moved elsewhere.
Let me know your thoughts on this solution. Thanks. Once again, here’s a link to photos I took captioned and annotated to help explain this solution:
I took photos and cautioned them and annotated some to help explain this solution. Here’s the link to the page:
https://www.dorisdillonschoolincambodia.org/golden-gate-park/url]

Digging in the wrong state doesn’t help either

Unknown

Unknown:
Digging in the wrong state doesn’t help either

True as far as it goes. But with regard to this puzzle, there is plenty of evidence to suggest that the casque associated with Image 1 and Verse 7 is, in fact, somewhere in San Francisco, California. Nobody with even a basic understanding of how the puzzle works has any doubt about this.

Euhirudinea

True as far as it goes. But with regard to this puzzle, there is plenty of evidence to suggest that the casque associated with Image 1 and Verse 7 is, in fact, somewhere in San Francisco, California. Nobody with even a basic understanding of how the puzzle works has any doubt about this.

Duh but me stupid eh. I believe the depth to horizon is greater than majority perceives putting this more than just across the bay, cheers

Unknown

Unknown:
putting this more than just across the bay

Fine. But you said “wrong state”. It’s about 150 miles to Nevada, almost 300 to Oregon (be sure to ask for Eric), and almost 500 to Arizona as the crow flies. If you think
the “depth to horizon” indicates traveling that far from where most of the clues lead most of the people (San Francisco, California), then more power to you. The best of luck in your search.

excellent analysis Wilhouse. Assuming it is near Jackson Square we need to find the giant pole and giant step. There is a giant flag pole near Jacksons gate in the square. Doesn’t appear to be any steps though (at least that i could find). Jackson square itself doesn’t seem to have many concealed areas where you could bury something without alot of people noticing. The giant step could mean to cross the street, but I haven’t seen any good pictures of the riverboat docks. I doubt there would be a great place to hide a treasure there either (unless it was buried in the middle of the night or something).

I have been to this location.  across canal street is the riverboat ferry. there is an embankment there where you could easily hid the casque. it is near the brewery.  I haven’t beent here in  a couple years. you are right, the step and pole are the keys.
wilhouse

Wilhouse:
Sounds good.  I had not looked into New Orleans in detail, even though I have been there.
Sorry to respond so late.  I was out of town for nearly a week and only today checked the board to discover the good news about Egbert and the second treasure.
–Johann

maltedfalcon

Continued—
So the search continues…
I’ve read you analysis of Verse 7 – I dont think it fits as well as mine – but – until there is a casque – your guess is as good as mine.  –
Best of Luck in the hunt!
Matt Sparks
Maltedfalcon

Thanks Mark.
We will agree to disagree.
I do not find your landmarks as dictated by
the verse to be as specific to the location
as what this treasure hunt needs.
I do agree that the image points to GGP.
Have you thought about the White House
close by, being the conservatory?

I know exactly what you mean – you mean west by the way. and I tried that too.
As a matter of fact in San Francisco alone I found 14 objects of Twain’s attention.  Add to that The Mississsippi /Missouri References, and the Hawaii references. – there is a an object of twains attention in just about 360 degrees…
I tried them all…

Trohn

Thanks Mark.  –> its Matt…
We will agree to disagree.  -Totally Understand what you mean – until the casque is found who knows
I do not find your landmarks as dictated by
the verse to be as specific to the location
as what this treasure hunt needs.  ——-      I don’t know  – one pace north of the goddess of the Forsest is pretty specific….
I do agree that the image points to GGP.  well at least SF – that coit tower map is very intriguing….
Have you thought about the White House
close by, being the conservatory?  Oh yes I have tried many verses -(been working on this since 1982)  none fit as well.

I wish you would find it in NO with any verse – even verse 7 – that will only help me here….

I would love to find it in New Orleans,
but the area has been completely
renovated.
It is behind where the Casino is now.
I have been at a loss at tying in the SF
area to a verse but I am still at it.
Can you tell me why GGP in the image
is represented by a tiled serpent?

Sure no problem
Basically Picture 1 has the clues that point to San Francisco – The map of the Coit tower area is one I did not know about so thats really cool.
But besides that there is the image in the dress that corresponds to Golden Gate Park in reverse – Then to the left of that is  a silouette of JFK facing up..
near that is a rose  above that area is a strange shape  that corresponds to part of a lake in GG park (or at least it did the lake shape has been modified several times in the last 10 years.
Of course there is the GH in the Ghirardelli script that sits right on the Great Highway when the map is overlaid on the Dress. There is also the numbers refernced by the shapes Near the GH
3441 or 1443 depending on the orientation  those bracket golden gate park on the great highway.
on to the verse…
First go to the Front entrance of Golden Gate Park. (Notice the Chicago verse and the cleveland verse both started at the entrance to the parks)
At stone wall’s door                  – Directly to your right is Mclaren Lodge – a building whose walls are made of large stones. This is the entrance and offices of the park
The air smells sweet                  – moving down the road the next buiding you come to is the San Francisco Conservatory of Flowers.
Not far away                            – turn and look behind you
High posts are three                  –  Sutro tower domininates the hill overlooking the park Sutro tower has 3 large spires.
Education and Justice              – on the hill just below sutro tower is San Francisco University and Law School
For all to see                          – Quite visible above the park
Sounds from the sky                – any time above the park in San Francisco the air is filled with crying seagulls.
– or this could possibly refer to the sounds from Ace is high ( which crosses above you over a bridge and is constantly roaring with traffic)
Near ace is high                      — Highway 1
Running north, but first across  — It runs north across the park, but just before you get to highway 1, you pass a large cross (prayerbook cross)
In jewel’s direction                    – an compass direction
Is an object                            – this is a problem – San Francisco is full of places associated with Mark Twain. Pick a direction there is something there….
Of Twain’s attention                  – although Twain mentioned specifically the Cathedral in Milan Italy as demanding his full attention.
Giant pole                                – In 1981 the next land mark down the road would have been a 30′ tall totem pole called Goddess of the Forest.
Giant step                                – did this mean a giant step away from the pole? or is there a Giant step yet to be uncovered?
To the place
The casque is kept.                  Is this the correct pole? maybe -but all the other pictures contained an image of something near the casque location and try as I might I cannot

That is a dragon – tying in with the chinese theme.
Note the sinuous form of the dragon follows the major roads through the park
and the area between the wing and back exactly circles the polo field in the park.
and If you flip the map 180
The cross-over arms sit riight on top of highway 1  -which amazingly enough as it goes through the park is called
wait for it…..
Cross over drive…..  (which also ties right back into  — first across….
Matt Sparks

Trohn

I would love to find it in New Orleans,
but the area has been completely
renovated.

You know – basically if Verse 7 goes with Pix 1 – then there is a very good chance that the location of the NO casque still exists and is accessible – just find the right verse….

Continued—
of the goddess of the Forest in image 1
But – The road you travel along from McClaren Lodge through the park  is John F Kennedy Blvd. (corresponding with the image in picture 1.)
The verse has to resolve down to the square foot where the casque was buried.
Not knowing what the direction of Twains Attention was – I just dug up the entire perimeter around the base of the Goddess of the Forest ( the totem pole is gone) but the base still exists.
from 0 feet out to 6 feet in every direction –
I found nothing— except exactly 1 pace out from the base to the North-  an irrigation pipe had been laid in a trench – right through the 3 foot level.
The trencher would have decimated the casque if it was there-  the Park Services people told me the pipe had been placed in the last 10 years.
While I am sure Verse 7 Is San Francisco and goes with picture 1 – I am hoping there is another resolution for the final lines -as there is no image that looks like the Goddess of the Forest in pix 1
Oh the rose garden in Golden gate Park is located just before highway 1 on JFK
and the lake that corresponds to that wierd blue shape is also on JFK but actually past the totem pole…
So the search continues…
I’ve read you analysis of Verse 7 – I dont think it fits as well as mine – but – until there is a casque – your guess is as good as mine.  –
Best of Luck in the hunt!
Matt Sparks
Maltedfalcon

“Near ace is high”
I do not believe that this can refer to highway one.
A high ace would be an eleven.
Near a high ace would be a Jack/Queen/King.
“The air smells sweet”
Why is air mentioned here?  The flowers in GGP
could be literally everywhere.  Air here is a clue.
Also, “At stone wall’s door, the air smells sweet”
These two lines describe ONE specific starting spot.
You do move anywhere, yet, but properly
orient yourself for the rest of the verse.

maltedfalcon

In jewel’s direction                    – an compass direction
Is an object                            – this is a problem – San Francisco is full of places associated with Mark Twain. Pick a direction there is something there….
Of Twain’s attention                  – although Twain mentioned specifically the Cathedral in Milan Italy as demanding his full attention.

falcoln,
When I read this verse these three lines seem to go together, meaning (as you said) in a certain direction is some object of Twain’s attention.  In the picture the jewel is in a northerly direction in relation to the map of the park.  So if you can find objects of Twain’s attention in any direction I would go with the one to the north.
BTW, I will probably be in the states this summer and not having anything better to do I am probably going to visit as many of the potential casque sites as I can so if you haven’t found it by them I would be happy to help you look.
digger7
I just realized that north in the pic may or may not match up to north in GGP, so what I am saying is IN JEWEL’S DIRECTION means to move toward whatever end of the park is represented by the jewel being above the top short edge of the map in the pic.  It’s all pefectly clear in my head as to what I mean so if you guys could just read my thoughts instead of my words this would be a lot easier.

“Not far away
High posts are three”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackson_Sq … _Louisiana
http://search.isp.netscape.com/nsisp/bo … utro_Tower
I wonder which one BP was looking at??

the old guy take on that was a military ace, like the home of the blue angels or thunderbirds. my interjection for the month!

Trohn

“Near ace is high”
I do not believe that this can refer to highway one.
A high ace would be an eleven.
Near a high ace would be a Jack/Queen/King.
“The air smells sweet”
Why is air mentioned here?  The flowers in GGP
could be literally everywhere.  Air here is a clue.
Also, “At stone wall’s door, the air smells sweet”
These two lines describe ONE specific starting spot.
You do move anywhere, yet, but properly
orient yourself for the rest of the verse.

Ace is High as in HIGHway 1
McLaren lodge and the SF conservatory of flowers lie in sight of each other at the entrance to Golden gate park
also from this point is a fine view of sutro tower and SF University all four viewable from one point – the start of JFK drive…

maltedfalcon – Thank you for compiling your theory like that – it is very compelling, and that’s the most positive I’ve ever been about the GGP theory.
But I still think some of your interpretations are tenuous. As Trohn mentioned (there I go agreeing with Trohn again! Must stop that…),
Near ace is high
does not shout “Hwy 1” to me. It doesn’t shout 11 either (but then I’m no card player). Simply put, it’s likely either a poker reference (aces high?) or a reference to an airplane or pilot (what kind of ace is high? duh, a flying ace!). Using the rectangular pattern as a clue for GGP is also very tenuous, IMHO. There are rectangles
everywhere
. Why must the rectangle in P1 represent GGP? It’s the wrong dimensions, it’s vertical rather than horizontal, her crossing hands are definitely not in the same position that Crossover Drive is in the park… Why not use Coit Tower as a more logical starting point, since JJP saw fit to cleverly hide a map of that
specific part of the city
in the scale pattern? There were some nicely reasoned observations offered during Voltaire’s trip to SF, including what is visible in the paintings (and from the windows) of Coit Tower itself, the meaning of the 1443, etc.
Also,
The air smells sweet
, paired with the “Gh” in the image, surely point to Ghirardelli Square. That seems less of a leap to me than flowers, which are everywhere (and thus could be read to support any location) but only at certain times of the year.
To return to an earlier point,
specifically
what card games involve “aces high”?

Hwy. 1 is also high (up in the air) where it crosses JFK.

I’m suspicious of the “at stone wall’s door” being a chess opening tactic where pawns are staggered in what is called the Stonewall Attack.  Nothing in mind to connect this with a location though.

This is the stone wall’s door I was talking about under the topic of Image 12 to go with this verse.

Well in that case the giant step
could be the seawall on the opposite side of great highway
This would be bad, because
if he buried on the beach 20 years ago
it probably isn’t there anymore
most people don’t realize how transient beaches are but
The move in really slow motion just like water.
also depending on weather the beach height can float up and down many more feet the 3 and a half.

I would hope they would be smart enough to not bury something on the beach.  Even the most beach-illiterate folks would know that would be a bad idea.  Is there an area near the beach that would not be affected by the tides…ie…grove of trees, small grassy area, etc….
I still think it will be w/in the confines of GGP.

Don’t discount the fact that there were very specific instructions in both the Chicago and Cleveland finds regarding exactly where to dig.  Unless the jewel’s location in Image 1 is a specific indicator, it seems that “giant step” is the only line of Verse 7 that would qualify as a precise locating directive.
Is it possible that once you find your “giant pole” you take one “giant step” in the direction of the “object of Twain’s attention” and dig?  In that case, there may not be a physical feature that would qualify as a giant step.
I think this may be worth considering.

That is a good idea Dan…except…if the Amundson monument is the giant pole reference…than take 1 giant step from it will land you cement..any way you go.  Here is a pic of the monument outside of the GGP Beach Chalet:
http://www.mistersf.com/images/ggpbeac03.jpg

possible poles….
there appears to be a very large pole in the center of the Conservatory of Flowers which helps hold up the giant Imperial Philodendron that’s 100 years old.
A possible better match is near the Kezar Stadium as I was hoping.  Giant pole-big pole-tent pole-big top-circus.
Not far from the stadium is the Circus Center Gymnasium which is the only professional circus training facility North America.  (crap, founded in 1984 – 2 yrs after release of book)

I set off on the information superhighway looking for the statue of a person with Polish descent (giant pole, rimshot please) but may have found something more promising?!
____________________________________________________
Artist:  Carter, Dudley, 1891- , sculptor.
Title:  Goddess of the Forest, (sculpture).
Other Titles:  Goddess Mark II, (sculpture).
Dates:  1939-1940.
Medium:  Redwood.
Dimensions:  Approx. H. 26 ft. x Diam. 6 ft. (10 tons).
Description:  Northwest-style carved totem pole depicting an Indian woman, with bear and bird in front.
Subject:  Figure female
Ethnic — Indian
Animal — Bird
Animal — Bear
Object Type:  Outdoor Sculpture — California — San Francisco
Totem pole
Owner:  Administered by City and County of San Francisco, San Francisco Arts Commission, 25 Van Ness Avenue, Suite 240, San Francisco, California 94102
Located City College of San Francisco, San Francisco, California
Provenance:  Formerly located Golden Gate Park, San Francisco, California
Remarks:  The sculpture was carved with an axe at the Golden Gate Exposition in 1939/40, possibly as part of the art-in-action pavilion of the Works Progress Administration. After the exposition, the sculpture was a gift to the City and County of San Francisco in 1940. With the onset of World War II, the sculpture was hastily installed on a concrete pad in Golden Gate Park, where it suffered from moisture buildup and rot. In 1985, with the artist’s permission, the totem was moved to the City College of San Francisco College for restoration work. A large portion of the statue had to be cut off due to rot. The “recycled” sculpture was retitled “Goddess Mark II.” IAS files contain copy of article from San Francisco Chronicle and press releases from the San Francisco Arts Commission.
References:  Public Monument Conservation Project, 1986.
Control Number:  IAS CA000010
____________________________________________________
Anybody think they can figure out where this used to be and spec the area.  I’ll keep checking for information.
>>>Dan

http://aic.stanford.edu/sg/wag/1996/WAG … iewind.pdf
That link gives the story of its removal and restoration.  It was originally located in Lindley Meadow and removed in 1986.
Lindley Meadow appears to be near 30th and Kennedy Dr. which may be too far away from where Highway 1 and all the good leads are, but it might be worth checking out by someone in the area.

I tend to think it does, but if “ace is high” does not refer to Hwy 1….there is (or was) a Casino in GGp
http://my.sfgov.org/photogallery/photog … oL=&imgNum
=168&total=604

Giant pole, just a thought. If we are in GG park in San Fran, Giant pole could be Giant’s pole, or well, a bat. Baseball.
wilhouse

could a giant pole also be a pillar?  many of the buildings around the childrens playground as well as the other larger buildings have pillars…..it seems they too have steps.  Whether they are giant or not, who knows.

I think I may have just located our GIANT POLE.  For this pole we have to not only think big but giant.  The poles on a battery terminal..?…bigger!  Circus tent poles..?….bigger!  What is the biggest pole you can think of?
http://www.framheim.com/Amundsen/NWP/NWPassage.html
Here is his monument:
www.outsidelands.org/gjoa.html
sitting on the western edge of GGP looking out across the Pacific Ocean towards the Farallon Isles.  Finding the Northwest Passage between the Pacific & Atlantic Oceans could be called a giant step couldnt it???

Goldengate

And last, the man who translated the Japanese translation has communicated with group members here… I’ve read the note. His English is pretty damn good — and my friend in Japan (also a translator) told me he’s a legend in the translating and publishing world and he was the dean of a school dedicated to translation… so I’ll take his word for it that Preiss said “wood posts.”

Sticking to the rules, I’ll ask my question here that was related to another debate under image 1. Just want to keep the peace and carry on the whole process of asking questions and idea sharing as intended by this forum:
Hi GG,
In regards to the high posts three line. If we are to take them as being wooden posts, do you have any thoughts on what this could be referring to at the GGP. I know it had always been widely seen as being Sutro Tower. But thats obviously out now given its not made of wood. Just curious if you have any ideas/thoughts on that.

Goldengate

“Great question and I wish I had a good answer right now… I haven’t been in the city since the summer and that was before I found the Japanese hints. Next time I’m there and traversing the Traverse Drive area, I’m going to bring as many 80s contemporary photos with me to compare and contrast how things have changed in my theorized area. I have a couple thoughts — my main inclination is to look at the old Mothers’ Meadow playground area pics… While it’s generally similar to how it was in the 80s, the play sets have certainly changed out a couple times and I know the structures of the 80s were awesomely dangerous and often had much higher vertical timbers / posts than they do now. Again, that’s just a theory and kind of a starting point… I’d love if anyone else has thoughts. Great food for thought!
Another piece of guidance (right or wrong) I take from the Chicago and Cleveland final burial spots is that they were in areas that are a little out of the eyeline of most park goers. Chicago certainly more than Cleveland in that regard, but both seem like fairly unassuming spots — not totally out of sight from the general public, but not a focal point either.”

Thanks for your feedback GG. I like the idea of some form of play structure being the posts, will give this some further thought.
Cheers.

Thanks Goldengate for trying to keep the peace. I posted the link of the book about Twain in the Image feed by mistake. I look at the image and verse as one piece of art. Also all the red strawberry and tomato images led me to that thread because the car on the book cover is red. LOL — Oops. I am trying to get the hang of this site and I hope my post didn’t stir up any problems.
I have a question; If I want to post something that has to do with the verse and want to link it to something in the image where would that be posted?
The verse is what is my attention and I think Twain’s. From what I studied in the many hours of thread reads — is The direction, giant pole, three posts may be seen in the image from the proposed dig spot.
The other problem I’ve had: When I type my post, I somehow I delete it when I thought I posted it. I was hoping to get feedback that my post did make it to a thread. At this point I am happy I got a response from something I posted. LOL.
Dig It!

At stone wall’s door –
Pier 43, where Chinese Immigrants would arrive after processing on Angel Island
The air smells sweet –
Immigrants smelling the sweet air of freedom
Not far away –
Near Pier 43
High posts are three –
Balclutha, ship with 3 wood posts for her sails
Education and Justice –
Galileo HS and Alcatraz
For all to see
Sounds from the sky –
Aquatic Park Speaker Towers
Near ace is high –
James Polk was the 11th President of the United States, this refers to Polk Street which begins at the Martime Museum in Aquatic Park
Running north, but first across –
Powell & Hyde Cable Car route, runs across the city East/West until going North on Hyde Street into the Turnaround at Beach & Hyde
In jewel’s direction –
Aquatic Park
Is an object
Of Twain’s attention –
Steam Boat paddle wheel on Hyde St Pier
Giant pole –
East Speaker Tower
Giant step –
East Bleachers at Aquatic Park
To the place –
Far East entrance at the top of the East Bleachers
The casque is kept. –
Under the left hand side of the decorative circles entrance, below the 4th vertical cement bar from the walkway/opening

Seven of the verses contain the word “step” and after researching Lookout Hill, which has 102 steps, I thought of San Francisco with
Giant step
as a clue. One of the large stairways is 153 steps from Baker Beach to
Immigrant
Point Overlook.
It is in line with your Legion of Honor and Giant flagpole too!
http://www.communitywalk.com/san_franci … map/399832

I’m very inspired by this verse tonight.
Running north, but first across
seems like a perfect line to describe the Golden Gate Bridge itself since it is perpetually the first across and runs north.  Wherever this site is, it MUST have a view of the bridge.
The Twain reference is namesake of ‘TWO’, or the second mark on a water depth measure that equals the proper 2 fathom depth for safe steamboat travel.  The best two thing reference I can find in the area is the Twin Peaks and they do have a place of “meeting” since they are side by side with a small saddle shaped lot between.  The best fit for
High posts are three
is the Sutro Tower as it is high and has three monstrous posts. EDIT; maltedF already suggested Sutro way way back in the thread…i’m just reviewing it again now.  Education and Justice is broad..schools and police station are within view.
Near Ace is high
could very possibly be the number 14, since the high ace is one better than the King which is the next highest at 13.  Aces are also 11 if you are going the Blackjack route, but in Poker, the preferred standard, it’s a 14.  Looking for a spot where the Sutro Tower, Golden Gate Bridge, Twin Peaks and the number 14 might all converge as a view, I am left with Grand View Park which is bounded by 14th ave on one side.  Note, 14th ave is on the side which faces Sutro and Twins.
This has to be where MaltedF is headed.

not sure if this means anything?? – but in the japanese book there is a picture of James Dean and Dean’s last movie was named “Giant”..thoughts?

MERLIN

not sure if this means anything?? – but in the japanese book there is a picture of James Dean and Dean’s last movie was named “Giant”..thoughts?

I agree there should be something there (why put images of them in the book otherwise, it makes no sense), and I love that James Deans middle name is Byron
Made me wonder about Marilyn Monroe as well – playing in The shocking miss Pilgrim – is set in Boston / music by George Gershwin (has been suggested as rhapsodic man’s soil connection to NY)- The Back Bay polka might refer to the Back bay fens. (I know different images & verses , but still…)

So if I combine ‘sounds from the sky’ with ‘near ace is high’ to get MaSONIC and 14th, I find myself in an area near the base of Buena Vista in San Francisco.  Where to next, I wonder?
For all to see,
For all = public
To = two = twin = twain?
See = peek = peak?

Interesting.
But show me in Chicago or Cleveland how combining lines/words from the verses. became hints for totally different words that equated to street  names or areas.
The Chicago Treasure was in Grant Park, which lines from Verse 12 hint at that location or street name?
Like I said, Interesting but I think totally useless for solving the casque location.
When you get right down to it there was nothing vague about any of the verse lines
The two found verses are a simple step by step walk to the casque, from the location provided by the image.
Without the image to get you to your starting place, the verses are pretty much useless.
It is really an elegantly designed treasure hunt. Unless you get lucky and find the actual spot the image hands over to the verse.
Lincolns shoulder, Two columns, StoneWalls door, It’s hopeless.
Verse 7 actually tells you the Barred Window, is not Window, Its a door.  So where is your Door?

Madness!  I believe you, these riddles are unforgiving unless you find that starting place.
Edit; I’ll work on squeezing the verse less and looking at more tangible aspects.  I do have to say then Verse 4 line about “free speech” is indicative of Liberty Blvd. and thus an example to argue in favor of tricky word usages.  Masonic is truly inspired, and I can’t quite let it go…stone wall is rich with possibility.
How about ‘sounds from the sky’ meaning the color BLUE?  “Sounds” are waves which propagate physically through the matter contained in air.  Light is also a wave, however it has electromagnetic properties and propagates as energy through space.  In terms of visual characteristics, the sound of the sky might be a sneaky way of suggesting it’s color.

I saw somebody post this the other day and I thought it was an interesting interpretation. I wondered the likelihood that the verse was for a different place (i.e., not Montreal), but the verse would still read in the exact same direction/order as the statues on the QotW Cathedral. Might this have been purposefully done, or do you think it is coincidental, especially considering the pieces are running from R to L (or on a map, running south to north as the verse states)?
Ace – the club is first
Across – a cross is next
Twain – then two people
Pole – holding a pole
Step – taking a step

Has anyone ever looked at the verses that go with the found casques? I read somewhere that the verse may not be in order of find. I am new to this thread and I am using Image 1 with verse 7 as clues to the treasure.
At stone wall’s door
The air smells sweet
Not far away
High posts are three
Education and Justice
For all to see
Sounds from the sky
Near ace is high
Running north, but first across
In jewel’s direction
Is an object
Of Twain’s attention
Giant pole
Giant step
To the place
The casque is kept.

prospector

Has anyone ever looked at the verses that go with the found casques? I read somewhere that the verse may not be in order of find. I am new to this thread and I am using Image 1 with verse 7 as clues to the treasure.

yes cleveland’s verse is read backwards
but chicago’s is arguably in order as it is written.

yes that is what I am saying

Why would Education and Justice be capitalized, if they were only describing personality traits?
Sorry to hear about the casque being unreachable.

I don’t see it that way.  The location along the roadway below with benches seems yet to be verfied.
Trees are too young? No, written reports say they are much older 50+ years. I’m talking about a specific set of branches next to which is a severed stump.  The rings may be counted to give approximate verification.
The benches are new?  Maybe they replaced older benches.  I dunno.  The idea that the Lands End was a place to go and sit and marv l at the sea beyond the cliffs is not new.  I would expect benches to have been in place long ago.
The riddle: a pen.  A ballpoint?  A sphere/pearl point/end? A viewpoint?  Terminus marker = end of ink marker?  I hink there’s an idea here, I’m just not sure how to frame it, but the first line “at stone wall’s door” must have a next to literal meaning according to my recent adoption of constraints.  A stone bench that faces Golden Gate Bridge?

prospector

Hey, Are you on wiki?

rarely

maltedfalcon

yes cleveland’s verse is read backwards
but chicago’s is arguably in order as it is written.

Hey, Are you on wiki?

Astronomers assure us that the attraction of gravitation on the surface of the sun is twenty-eight times as powerful as is the force at the earth’s surface, and that
the object which weights 217 pounds elsewhere would weight 6,000 pounds there
. For seven years this country has lain smothering under a burden like that, the incubus representing,
in the person of President Roosevelt, the difference between 217 pounds and 6,000
.
-Mark Twain
Maybe the object of Twain’s attention is “Roosevelt.”
Attention is a stance in the military, and the William McKinley statue is just to the east of the railing. Guess who broke its ground?
http://sfcitizen.com/blog/tag/roosevelt/
Go here and then find a “giant pole”

I was thinking about Twain’s attention, and taking it quite literally I found this:
ATTENTION, FITZ SMYTHE! :
article written by Twain here:
http://www.twainquotes.com/Chronicle/18651026.html
Fitz Smythe is Albert S Evans, writer and american explorer, and he famously feuded with Mark Twain when in SF (wikipedia)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_S._Evans
If we take the meaning of Object (object of Twain’s attention) as: to oppose something firmly and usually with words or arguments (webster dictionary)
that would fit.
That would leave us with a Fitz Smythe / Evans link:
– there’s an Evans Avenue, but that’s named for Rear-admiral Robley D. Evans of the United states Navy
– Probably the same for Evans station :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evans_station_(Muni_Metro
)
– and Evans center…
I’m not sure if this takes us anywhere… well who knows maybe it fitzzz with someone’s theory

Great catch Mariska!…….This quote caught my attention “Armand Leonidas Fitz Smythe” – I think there is a statue of Leonidas in golden gate park.
https://noehill.com/sf/landmarks/poi_leonidas.asp

Other objects of Twain’s attention in the article could be – mathematics, colorado, and steamer. Lots of interesting leads.

i thought someone said BP said there wasn’t one in PA.

Fox,

There are no Giant Eagle supermarkets in Callifornia. They are a chain in Ohio, Maryland, Pennsylvania and West Virginia only. So far, no casques except the Cleveland one have been in any of these locations, and that one is kind of a done deal now.
The Giants, since 1958, have played in Candlestick Park–now known as “Monster Park”, around the bay from where you’re looking. It would be rather unlikely that there is a sign for them on a pole near the Embarcadero, unless it was a billboard of sorts–advertising the team. (And therefore changeable.)  Candlestick Park IS, however, located on Giants Boulevard, so there might be LOTS of signs there. However, this isn’t the area you’re looking in right now. The park is on the bay, but quite a little distance from the north side of the bay where you’re now looking.

animal painter

Malted,
Yes…there is one more tower…closer to the paddle boat.
It also has a lot of diggable area around it.
AP

Theoretically you only need 1 giant step of space….

Malted,
If one of the towers is the “pole”, you get to chose.
If they are identical, you could look around both.
The one nearest the steamboat, has better digging ground.
Personally, I would like to see a more unique pole, too.
(The totem pole would have been my idea of unique.)
AP

animal painter

Malted,
If one of the towers is the “pole”, you get to chose.
If they are identical, you could look around both.
Personally, I would like to see a more unique pole, too.
(The totem pole would have been my idea of unique.)
AP

of course all of this only matters if v7 is not StLouis or Montreal….

Someone
has to find one of the other casques
so we can narrow down these verse choices!
(not including Milwaukee, since we already know
that verse is correct…just can’t dig it up!!)
AP

There have been so many theories regarding our dreaded “Giant Pole” that I don’t even know if this idea has been suggested or not…so, please forgive me if it has.
This theory comes in real handy for Falcon et al still working this V w/ S.F.  What if “Giant” isn’t describing the size of the pole itself?  It could simply be a plain old street sign ala…
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p206 … arking.jpg
or any other type of sign referencing the SF Giants.  Are there any such signs in or around GGP or the docking area adjacent to Ghirardelli Sq.?  This theory would also hold water in any other city as well.  There may be a Giant gas station nearby or a sign advertising a giant squid at a nearby zoo or a Giant Supermarket
http://www.comfortrol.com/images/giant-eagle.jpg
.  You get the idea.
Just another idea to toss around….