Fenix

Hmm, I wonder why…Sounds(Records) from the Sky(Tower)

Hmm, I wonder how….
Granada Hills and West Hollywood were very iconic in San Fernando Bay area ….
Indeed ?

S
an
F
rancisco Bay Area

I might be the first person ever to discover and confirm a sighting of…
a new descendants of the Fair people!
Domino effect of pure stupidity
Now I’ll need to came up with a common name…hmmmmm

maltedfalcon

S
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F
rancisco Bay Area

Really? That’s not San Fernando Valley? My bad…

SFV vs SFB

Fenix

This one is my favorite as well. Remind me, what page is it on again? I cannot seem to find it.

That picture is not in the book (Tower Records) Pg 93 has the Boogie man with a back drop of a SF neighbor hood.

Fenix

Hmm, I wonder why…Sounds(Records) from the Sky(Tower)

That sounds very interesting…..hmmmm. You know that store was very Iconic to SF and the bay area.

Spiritr

are there more colored photos coming?

I dunno. Last I heard he was looking in his old stash. But finding photos from the 80’s is tricky.

burnstyle

I dunno. Last I heard he was looking in his old stash. But finding photos from the 80’s is tricky.

Well, finding *those* photos may be tricky. I know where the album is with all the pictures of me as an angsty teenager into science fiction, D&D, and progressive rock music… and I will *not* reveal the location. In fact, maybe I should bury it, and leave a nigh-impossible picture-map and poem to conceal its location…

Kalessin

Well, finding *those* photos may be tricky. I know where the album is with all the pictures of me as an angsty teenager into science fiction, D&D, and progressive rock music… and I will *not* reveal the location. In fact, maybe I should bury it, and leave a nigh-impossible picture-map and poem to conceal its location…

Collectively. We could find that.

whats down the street and around the corner from that exact tower records???

Spiritr

I’m sorry, I was wrong about one of the location of the boogie man photos, it was Dolores Heights and not San Fernando Valley, I apologize, my bad on that one. So I guess of 2 photos of the boogie man, the one in San Francisco was used for the book, and the one from LA’s Tower Record didn’t.
again, my fault I was wrong.

The picture with Tower Records in it, is San Francisco at Bay and Columbus st. (was)

it’s (was) NOT

I’m sorry, I was wrong about one of the location of the boogie man photos, it was Dolores Heights and not San Fernando Valley, I apologize, my bad on that one. So I guess of 2 photos of the boogie man, the one in San Francisco was used for the book, and the one from LA’s Tower Record didn’t.
again, my fault I was wrong.

are there more colored photos coming?

WhiteRabbit

Nice, thanks Burnstyle.
Trilling once had a couple of those dolls left for sale; wonder where they are now…

I asked. She said she had maitredemons head. But I think that’s the only one she has. And it didn’t sound like she wanted to part with it.

Very nice. So much more vibrant than the black and white photos. Thanks for posting.

burnstyle

I was sent a few color photos from the book. I figured you guys might like to see them.
More are supposed to be coming, I’ll post them when I get them.
https://imgur.com/kHlAqLN
https://imgur.com/I7T6nV8
https://imgur.com/3u6AJcK
https://imgur.com/N03c2uH
https://imgur.com/SYE1cvb
https://imgur.com/3vhyDGb
https://imgur.com/HtoD2nD
https://imgur.com/qLGptGI
https://imgur.com/VmpK0fc
https://imgur.com/GbGTjpk

AWESOME Burnstyle!
The Tower Records photo brings back fond memoires of going every weekend to scope out the vinyl’s! By the posters in the window this puts that picture in late Oct early Nov 1981!

Spiritr

that was awesome, I wonder if you can request whom ever is holding the key to the safe to practice what’s promised in the book and show us that piece of paper so we could end this once and for all

Nobody ever promised to show the answers. Just that the answers existed.

Unknown

Unknown:
Nobody ever promised to show the answers.

Not necessarily true Matt. The contract between Preiss and the buyer of the book was clear on the fact that if you provided him with certain, specific information (known apparently only to him), he would respond in kind. Either by sending you the jewel, or by telling you where and how to dig up the casque (as he did in Chicago). There was also the suggestion that there would be continuity in the event of his death, but I think that was to give the puzzle viability as long as the book was selling. There is ample evidence to suggest that he had no interest in honoring that after 20 years of inactivity. So my irrational idea that someone, somewhere has an envelope with instructions to open it X years after Preiss’ death is just that.

Thank you so much! These photos are great!
When I was was involved in some ‘zine publishing in the early 80s, I remember that the the printing price jump from black and white to spot color was big, and the jump to full color was beyond our reach.

I was sent a few color photos from the book. I figured you guys might like to see them.
More are supposed to be coming, I’ll post them when I get them.
https://imgur.com/kHlAqLN
https://imgur.com/I7T6nV8
https://imgur.com/3u6AJcK
https://imgur.com/N03c2uH
https://imgur.com/SYE1cvb
https://imgur.com/3vhyDGb
https://imgur.com/HtoD2nD
https://imgur.com/qLGptGI
https://imgur.com/VmpK0fc
https://imgur.com/GbGTjpk

On one of these threads it was said the new Owner of the book rights (iBooks?) claimed they didn’t have the answers; Preiss took that to the grave but the jewels were still available in their possession and would be awarded to the finders. But since they had no idea what the solutions are the finders would have to present the Casques for verification. Seems JJP has the balance of the original paintings not likely they are up for grabs.

how , why, and who sent you these photo may I ask?

We interviewed the photographer on the podcast. He said a lot of the photos for the book were shot in color, and he was a little upset that the books budget forced them to be printed in black and white.
I talked about how everyone would like to see them and he offered to send them to me. These are the 35mm, he needs to find a specific scanner for the rest.

that was awesome, I wonder if you can request whom ever is holding the key to the safe to practice what’s promised in the book and show us that piece of paper so we could end this once and for all

jayheedan1

On one of these threads it was said the new Owner of the book rights (iBooks?) claimed they didn’t have the answers; Preiss took that to the grave but the jewels were still available in their possession and would be awarded to the finders. But since they had no idea what the solutions are the finders would have to present the Casques for verification. Seems JJP has the balance of the original paintings not likely they are up for grabs.

while JJP might have them physically in his possession they no longer belong to him, the rights to all the paintings were purchased by the TV producers of EU.

Euhirudinea

Not necessarily true Matt. The contract between Preiss and the buyer of the book was clear on the fact that if you provided him with certain, specific information (known apparently only to him), he would respond in kind. Either by sending you the jewel, or by telling you where and how to dig up the casque (as he did in Chicago). There was also the suggestion that there would be continuity in the event of his death, but I think that was to give the puzzle viability as long as the book was selling. There is ample evidence to suggest that he had no interest in honoring that after 20 years of inactivity. So my irrational idea that someone, somewhere has an envelope with instructions to open it X years after Preiss’ death is just that.

Yes but none of that is the same as the claim that BP was going to at some point publish a list of the complete solutions although I realize it probably would have been in “book 2” if all the casques had been found quickly. That is different than publishing the list before all the casques are/were found. but seriously I hope if it exists, it never gets published.

maltedfalcon

while JJP might have them physically in his possession they no longer belong to him, the rights to all the paintings were purchased by the TV producers of EU.

Assuming the contracts are fairly standard, JJP retains ownership of the originals, while the rights to certain kinds of publication belong to someone else. He almost certainly retains the right to publish the images in a catalog of his own works.
For example, JJP can (and does) publish on his own website. Image 5:
http://www.johnjudepalencar.com/CastleHat.htm
If he wanted to sell one of the originals, he could probably do so, though any sold publication rights would restrict what the new owner of the original could do with respect to publication of the images.

Unknown

Unknown:
the rights to all the paintings were purchased by the TV producers of EU

I don’t know whether this is true or not, but I can’t imagine why they would go to the trouble and expense (which I assume was considerable) to do that. Getting permission to feature some or all of them on the show would have been cheaper, and just as effective for their purposes. But I am not an entertainment attorney, and I am not willing to speculate further.
It would trouble me to know that some people have access to them while others do not. And I suspect that it would have troubled Preiss as well.

Disclosure – this is not from an email to me, just passing on what I believe to be a factual letter.
Thank you for the kind words and your interest in Mr. Palencar’s art for “The Secret – A Treasure Hunt”. Regrettably, the copyright for all of the art produced for this book is owned by another publishing entity that purchased the copyrights, catalog and intellectual property rights formerly owned by Byron Priess Visual Publications. This contract prohibits Mr. Palencar from merchandising or distributing these particular images as prints or in any other method.
Mr. Palencar was a loyal friend & business associate to Mr. Preiss. Beyond his past friendship with Mr. Preiss, the existing contract(s) legally prevent him from imparting any information as to the locations of the treasures. That being said, Mr Palencar does not know the locations to any of the remaining treasures.
The Travel Channel & Expedition Unknown had to secure the art reproduction rights & permissions for the “Secret” paintings from the other business entity for use on the television program. We will not reveal the name of the new publisher/ business entity.
The original paintings for this book are not currently for sale.
Thank you again for your interest. Good luck hunting.
Sincerely,
J. Parker Antrim
Assistant to Mr. Palencar

maltedfalcon

We will not reveal the name of the new publisher/ business entity

Curiously evasive; we already know it’s John Colby’s Brick Tower Press. It’s all over the web.
http://www.comicsbeat.com/byron-preiss- … -for-150k/
http://www.ibooksinc.com/pages/about.php

jayheedan1

On one of these threads it was said the new Owner of the book rights (iBooks?) claimed they didn’t have the answers…..

Bricktower Press…John Colby.
Correct, he doesn’t have the solutions (he claims).
http://shelterislandreporter.timesreview.com/2013/10/08/island-profile-publisher-has-it-all-in-dering-harbor/
EDIT: Aahhhahahrgh……the Wascally Wabbit beat me to it….

Hm! When Palencar sold the rights for the original publication, he really sold them all…

maltedfalcon

We will not reveal the name of the new publisher/ business entity.

Its NBC/Universal.
They hold broadcasting rights to the images

Unknown

Unknown:
They hold broadcasting rights to the images

I don’t know about anyone else, but when I purchase something, I usually take possession of it. The fact that JJP still has the original artwork in his possession indicates to me that he still owns them. Which is not to say that he is free to do with them as he wishes. Those rights were probably negotiated away a long time ago. My fervent hope is that he is aware of the problems caused by letting some people see them, and will go back to being the thoughtful steward of Preiss’ secrets that he has always been.
I still say that if you find a casque, and can prove to him which one it is, he will negotiate the sale of the original artwork with you. Just like he offered to do with Brian. And there is nothing anyone else can do about that.

Nice, thanks Burnstyle.
Trilling once had a couple of those dolls left for sale; wonder where they are now…

If I were to dig up a casque, I’d definitely want to purchase the original JJP painting that goes with it. Of course, I have no idea what kind of price he would set on it… originals don’t come cheap!

Unknown

Unknown:
renovator

I dont know about rights for publication or sale… I only know about the broadcasting rights.