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HT3020’RECOVERY NOTE BY NATIONAL OCEAN SERVICE 1978 (JPR)
HT3020’STATION AND REFERENCE MARKS WERE RECOVERED IN GOOD CONDITION.  THE
HT3020’FOLLOWING ADDITIONS SHOULD BE ADDED TO THE 1932 DESCRIPTION BY J.B.JR,
HT3020’THE 1948 RECOVERY BY W.M.G AND THE 1964 RECOVERY BY P.A.S.  THE
HT3020’INTERSECTION OF CLEMENT AND 39TH STREET IS NOW BLOCKED BY A FENCE BUT
HT3020’ACCESS MAY BE GAINED TO THE STATION VIA A NATIONAL PARK SERVICE
HT3020’MAINTENANCE DRIVE BEGINNING NEAR THE ENTRANCE TO A VETERANS HOSPITAL
HT3020’IN THE AREA.  THE STATION LIES IN THE ROUGH AREA OF A GULF COURSE THAT
HT3020’SURROUNDED BY A FENCE, BUT A HOLE IN THIS FENCE (THROUGH WHICH ACCESS
HT3020’MAY BE GAINED TO THE STATION) IS LOCATED WHERE THE MAINTENANCE ROAD
HT3020’MENTIONED ABOVE MAKES ITS FIRST CURVE TO THE LEFT.  A PARK TYPE BENCH
HT3020’LIES 30 FEET EAST OF THE STATION.  THE STATION IS SURROUNDED BY LARGE
HT3020’TREES AND ITS USEFULNESS IS LIMITED UNLESS THE AREA IS CLEARED OR AN
HT3020’OBSERVING TOWER IS ERECTED.
HT3020’DESCRIBED BY B.F. HILLARD

HT3020 marker in Lincoln Park, San Francisco
http://www.ngs.noaa.gov/cgi-bin/ds_mark … Box=HT3020
…and you think we have problems searching!

Choice

Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
Darmok and Jalad on the ocean

Kiteo, his eyes closed

Choice

Kiteo, his eyes closed

Zinda, his face black, his eyes red
We better cut it out before the hall-monitor catch us!

Another place of interest at Coit:
• First of all the round table and the rotating sign (spiral) indicates a
counter
clockwise
turning of the table similar to the flow of the cars around the Columbus statue.
• The gold outline pushed up by dragons nose is representation of Telegraph hill.
• The dragon’s nose itself is a near perfect profile image of the base of the statue in the 70’s and 80’s.
• I don’t think there were any flowers planted in the area and no fence then.
• Inside dragon’s mouth seems to be a flying dove (Colombo in Italian)
• Shadow of the pearl looks similar to the statues mid section.
• Columbus’ protruding shoulder pads are similar to the woman’s.
• The rose stem and thorns form a shovel pointing to dig area.
• The horizontal lines by the shovel show the shape of the round planter layer design.
Yet again because of installation of new base the cask may be lost if it was ever there.

Another place of interest at Coit:
• First of all the round table and the rotating sign (spiral) indicates a counter clockwise turning of the table similar to the flow of the cars around the Columbus statue.
• The gold outline pushed up by dragons nose is representation of Telegraph hill.
• The dragon’s nose itself is a near perfect profile image of the base of the statue in the 70’s and 80’s.
• I don’t think there were any flowers planted in the area and no fence then.
• Inside dragon’s mouth seems to be a flying dove (Colombo in Italian)
• Shadow of the pearl looks similar to the statues mid section.
• Columbus’ protruding shoulder pads are similar to the woman’s.
• The rose stem and thorns form a shovel pointing to dig area.
• The horizontal lines by the shovel show the shape of the round planter layer design.
Yet again because of installation of new base the cask may be lost if it was ever there.

Oh, I forgot one, I believe that
Sounds from the sky (refers to Telegraph Hill)

Now here are my thoughts on the Artwork itself:
The 11 spheres in the sky could represent the 11 freeways in San Francisco. Forgive me for not reading this massive thread started years ago if this has already been mentioned.
Obviously the prison window on the rock is Alcatraz.
Backwards “G and h” are in reference to the back of the Ghirardelli sign.
Serpent represents Lombard Street
The Lady’s fingers point to the 4th square on each sleeve representing the 44 hills of San Francisco.
I believe the squares on the Serpent represent all the blocks and blocks of streets in San Francisco.
NOW, LETS GET TO WHAT I BELIEVE IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF THE ARTWORK:
The rose is a symbol of the park that this “secret” is in. The clock sitting on top of the pedestal is not a pedestal at all, it is a GNOMON. And if you are not aware, a GNOMON is the raised piece of a Sundial that casts a shadow onto the sundial. So technically a sundial like this is a “clock” on a pedestal. The Roman Numerals on the Lady’s garment are representing the numbers on a Sundial.
The place I’m going to find a sundial like this one is in a small little park near Russian Hill, Southwest of Columbus Ave, a block away from Lombard street, located Southeast of the Ghirardelli Sign, and loaded with beautiful rose bushes.
The Park is referred to as “The Secret Garden at Fay Park”
So if I were in San Francisco, I’d go there and take a Giant Step to the west from the Giant Pole of the sundial and perhaps you’ll find the “secret” in the base of that bush.
http://www.bing.com/images/search?view= … ajaxhist=0

Just learned about this these treasures after watching Expedition Unknown this past week. Really good stuff, so I sat at my computer and went thru image 1 clues. A coulple hours later I have solved the clues and am ready to share them with a San Francisco searcher. I’m in Cincinnati and cannot get out to SF anytime over the next few years. After reading all the many clues and websites I’ve seen many people follow ideas that just don’t work.
If you are in San Francisco area, I’ve got some news for you.
MrBackstop

MrBackstop

Just learned about this these treasures after watching Expedition Unknown this past week. Really good stuff, so I sat at my computer and went thru image 1 clues. A coulple hours later I have solved the clues and am ready to share them with a San Francisco searcher. I’m in Cincinnati and cannot get out to SF anytime over the next few years. After reading all the many clues and websites I’ve seen many people follow ideas that just don’t work.
If you are in San Francisco area, I’ve got some news for you.
MrBackstop

I’m not trying to release any spoilers, but can you tell us what the “G” and “h” represent according to your theory?

I’m not trying to release any spoilers, but can you tell us what the “G” and “h” represent according to your theory?
The capital G and lower case h “in reverse” simply mean that the treasure is in an area on the Backside of the Ghirardelli Sign. It is not on the coastline area as some have suspected.

MrBackstop

The capital G and lower case h “in reverse” simply mean that the treasure is in an area on the Backside of the Ghirardelli Sign. It is not on the coastline area as some have suspected.

I have always agreed with that assessment. However, I believe Maltedfalcon (could have been someone else, and I apologize if I have this wrong, please speak up) maintains that he G and h match a contemporary tourist flyer or something of that nature – Great Highway. Is there anyone with more information on that interpretation that might want to weigh in on this? I may be misrepresenting these clues, and that’s the last thing I want to do. There is an outline in the water of Image 1 that does apparently match a contemporary tourist map? Could someone with more solid information please fill in some of these details? I would try, and I agree with the theory at large, but I am not in any position to speak on behalf of the theory as it isn’t my baby. I know it is in the thread, but in the spirit of the anticipated wave of new interest, is anyone interested in clarifying some of this with a couple of bullet points?
Edit:
Quick clarification: I have “always agreed” with the assessment that the G and h are the Ghirardelli sign. I am open minded to thought out theories in general and I know there are other interpretations of the G h, but I lean toward Ghirardelli. Once our intreped SF boots on the ground find it, that interpretation will be proved right or wrong.

My interpretation of the lady is also simple, she is Russian not Chinese and the serpent on her gown is obviously Lombard Street.

MrBackstop

My interpretation of the lady is also simple, she is Russian not Chinese

That’s very unlikely. The book contains a verse called the litany which associates nationalities with gems. Russia is Topaz (image 12) and China is Pearl (image 1).

I’m not in SF specifically, but more like an hour’s drive away. I’ve been to Ghirardelli Square as a tourist, and I can’t think of any diggable surface around there. Of course, the reverse of the sign is probably visible from many vantage points around the neighborhood, and this is only one of many clues in the image.
If you want a local to go on a scouting mission for you, that’s fine. People here will want to know whether you can address all of the previous interpretations of the clues, whether you’ve considered the way the city and its landmarks looked decades ago when the hunt was first published. Our community has openly discussed many theories over the years, and we’re used to being able to exchange ideas (and criticisms) in a joint effort to solve the puzzle. The more you are willing to share, the more you’ll find people willng to help.
(But I’m probably too much of a skeptic to believe the treasure is still intact.)

MrBackstop

My interpretation of the lady is also simple, she is Russian not Chinese and the serpent on her gown is obviously Lombard Street.

Apparently Preiss didn’t have a Sharipe big enough to cover that up like he did the Fleur de Lis in Image 9.

Merlot Brougham

Apparently Preiss didn’t have a Sharipe big enough to cover that up like he did the Fleur de Lis in Image 9.

Merlot, are you in SF?

MrBackstop

Merlot, are you in SF?

Negative.

Merlot Brougham

.

I like you MB.

catherwood

I’m not in SF specifically, but more like an hour’s drive away. I’ve been to Ghirardelli Square as a tourist, and I can’t think of any diggable surface around there. Of course, the reverse of the sign is probably visible from many vantage points around the neighborhood, and this is only one of many clues in the image.
If you want a local to go on a scouting mission for you, that’s fine. People here will want to know whether you can address all of the previous interpretations of the clues, whether you’ve considered the way the city and its landmarks looked decades ago when the hunt was first published. Our community has openly discussed many theories over the years, and we’re used to being able to exchange ideas (and criticisms) in a joint effort to solve the puzzle. The more you are willing to share, the more you’ll find people willng to help.
(But I’m probably too much of a skeptic to believe the treasure is still intact.)

To tell you the truth I wish I could go back to SF and look for this myself but I can’t so I’m happy to help. The area of this Image 1 is not a huge SF Landmark.
At the Stone door (San Francisco Bay)
The air smells sweet (Ghirardelli)
Not far away
High Posts are three (Sutro Tower)
Education and Justice
For all to see (Alcatraz)
Sounds from the sky
Near ace is high (George Sterling Memorial Tennis Courts)
Running north, but first across (Columbus Ave)
In jewel’s direction
Is an object
Of Twain’s attention (West toward the Mississippi)
Giant pole
Giant step
To the place
The casque is kept (Playfully using the SF Giants name)

MrBackstop

… and the serpent on her gown is obviously Lombard Street.

lulz

xarimus

For reals!?! you have it?? Can we see what it looks like? Where was it?

He has completed no digs. He’s posted on various threads saying he has completed the puzzles, though.

Gem

He has completed no digs. He’s posted on various threads saying he has completed the puzzles, though.

Ah sorry, I’m new here. Got my hopes up! Though SF is the one closest to me, not sure I’ll get the chance to go hunt about myself.

Not sure, but I think I have a tear in my eye.
An image from the dig site is a major, major confirmer.  Go get it Maltedfalcon Clan.  I believe, I believe

Good luck
Keeping fingers crossed for you
Cant wait to here your thinkning!

Ok folks, I know this is short notice, but I’m on vacation and away from the net for the most part. However I just got an ok to dig at my site. So if there’s anyone who is interested in joining me, I’ll be digging at the Aquatic Park in San Francisco (across from Ghiradelli Square) tomorrow, on the 7th of July, probably around 9 or 10 am.
I’ll lay out my rationale on Monday or Tuesday when I get home.

Good luck to you.  And even if you don’t find it you got to spend the day digging for buried treasure, how many people can say that.
Have fun,
digger7

Here is the top section of one of the lamp posts that run along the beach and pier, they are all the same.
This board seems to have stopped allowing file uploads, here is a link:
http://www.cobbcrew.org/AquaticPark/PICT0179.jpg

Magesmiley

Actually the one I was digging from was the 4th or 5th from the left in this picture:
http://www.cobbcrew.org/AquaticPark/AquaticPark-Pages/Image3.html

Oh, over there is definitely not a giant step down to the beach. Your giant step is the “giant stairway” or seating area?
The Eureka is a paddlewheel I believe.

maltedfalcon

When was that? I thought Ghiradelli’s has been in the same spot since 1863 and jackson square is in the barbary coast area on the other side of town.
Can you explain the significance of the rose, or the lincoln/JFK silouette in the image?

Yea, Jackson Square is over towards the Embarcadero.
If you look at this lamp from Hyde St. Pier upside down, it kinda resembles the rose and stem…
http://www.cobbcrew.org/AquaticPark/Aqu … ge164.html

OK I have been a firm believer the casque was in Golden Gate Park
but you now have convinced me I was wrong.
It was the lamp posts.
BTW the eppington hall was kept on the other side of the pier in the 80s,
It would have been 20-50 yards to the right of where it is kept now.
That was b4 they had the ferry –
BTW as far as I know you have never been able to upload files or images to this board.
I always had to use embedded links and the pictures are hosted on my home page.

thanks wil….im still under the tweleve spell…where
i
gotta be careful what
i
say…
i
apologize to everyone…not my intention…alrighty?
so here are my ideas – the building under the bridge…the stone wall’s door…
high posts are 3 – gg bridge
education and justice –  university and hall
of
justice
sounds from the sky – the airport
the twain’s affection – mark twain hotel on taylor street
im still hashing out the giant pole, giant step part…
and
i
hope this isnt a repetative answer to anything already posted…
thanks agin wil,
holli

thanks wil….im still under the tweleve spell…where i gotta be careful what i say…i apologize to everyone…not my intention…alrighty?
so here are my ideas – the building under the bridge…the stone wall’s door…
high posts are 3 – gg bridge
education and justice –  university and hall of justice
sounds from the sky – the airport
the twain’s affection – mark twain hotel on taylor street
im still hashing out the giant pole, giant step part…
and i hope this isnt a repetative answer to anything already posted…
thanks agin wil,
holli

I
‘ll second what wilhouse said. Even if a solution came to me out
of
the blue,
I
wouldn’t think
of
taking a shovel to the site without one or two forum members in tow (probably wilhouse, since he has a back-hoe at his beck and call!).

I’ll second what wilhouse said. Even if a solution came to me out of the blue, I wouldn’t think of taking a shovel to the site without one or two forum members in tow (probably wilhouse, since he has a back-hoe at his beck and call!).

Holli, if you don’t mind, a word
of
advice?
On this board, we are all equals. Every idea is valid and respected.  The search for the treasure is intrinsic – if one finds it we all find it.  Many
of
us have our pets, certainly mine is Houston, but we all share our information. No hiding information, or PMing, or even asking if anyone wants to hear it.
Jump in, both feet. You will be listened to and accepted. If it occurs you can share in the find any way the finders all agree.  The jewels, if we still get them, aren’t worth that much, only around $800 at last count.  It’s the finding that’s the reward.
wilhouse

Holli, if you don’t mind, a word of advice?
On this board, we are all equals. Every idea is valid and respected.  The search for the treasure is intrinsic – if one finds it we all find it.  Many of us have our pets, certainly mine is Houston, but we all share our information. No hiding information, or PMing, or even asking if anyone wants to hear it.
Jump in, both feet. You will be listened to and accepted. If it occurs you can share in the find any way the finders all agree.  The jewels, if we still get them, aren’t worth that much, only around $800 at last count.  It’s the finding that’s the reward.
wilhouse

Holli,
I
haven’t had time to check out your answer, but make sure the Mark Twain hotel was there in 1982.
Preiss buried these in 1981-1982 time frame.
wilhouse (have backhoe, will travel)

Holli, I haven’t had time to check out your answer, but make sure the Mark Twain hotel was there in 1982.
Preiss buried these in 1981-1982 time frame.
wilhouse (have backhoe, will travel)

wilhouse

Holli,
I
haven’t had time to check out your answer, but make sure the Mark Twain hotel was there in 1982.  Preiss buried these in 1981-1982 time frame.

The Executive Hotel Mark Twain at 345 Taylor Street in San Francisco was built in 1928.
Drew

wilhouse

Holli, I haven’t had time to check out your answer, but make sure the Mark Twain hotel was there in 1982.  Preiss buried these in 1981-1982 time frame.

The Executive Hotel Mark Twain at 345 Taylor Street in San Francisco was built in 1928.
Drew

well then…
i
would say that the hotel was indeed there a short (lol) time before BP rolled in.  thanks for the info

well then…i would say that the hotel was indeed there a short (lol) time before BP rolled in.  thanks for the info

so where does the Giant Pole and Giant Step come from?  i have been workin on yet another hunt (non- ATT) heheh…and havent been able to do anymore research on that particular area…any ideas?
thanks holli
ps…thanks drew…i thought it was…

So following this line of thought, if you connect the two spots pointed by the fingers the line goes right through Alcatraz; a no dig zone. I previously posted a dig site at the doorway of the collapsed building near the water tower (the hexagon blue thing).
viewtopic.php?f=32&t=770&start=3836

Choice

So following this line of thought, if you connect the two spots pointed by the fingers the line goes right through Alcatraz; a no dig zone. I previously posted a dig site at the doorway of the collapsed building near the water tower (the hexagon blue thing).
viewtopic.php?f=32&t=770&start=3836

I think it’s more of a geographical hint, that these two area’s are outside the city. I don’t believe that the outer part of the sleeves are meant to be anymore than Land marks, but the inner part of the sleeve’s (blocks) are meant to be city blocks, which I think play’s a Big part in finding the casque location.

The left arm of the Gal is a pretty spot on match to the the Headlands above the GG Bridge.

That is really cool, Goonie!

The Gal’s right arm is a good match for Angel Island

For #1, someone once mentioned that the folded arms resemble California’s outline.
For #4, there’s a lot. The numbers 37 (left) and 38 (right) can be found in her hair. There are also 38 squares on her cuffs. The roman numerals I, II, III and I, II, II can be found on her robe. 37, 38, 122, and 123 are the latitudes and longitudes enclosing San Francisco.

For #1, someone once mentioned that the folded arms resemble California’s outline.
For #4, there’s a lot. The numbers 37 (left) and 38 (right) can be found in her hair. There are also 38 squares on her cuffs. The roman numerals
I
, II, III and
I
, II, II can be found on her robe. 37, 38, 122, and 123 are the latitudes and longitudes enclosing San Francisco.

forest_blight

For #1, someone once mentioned that the folded arms resemble California’s outline.
For #4, there’s a lot. The numbers 37 (left) and 38 (right) can be found in her hair. There are also 38 squares on her cuffs. The roman numerals I, II, III and I, II, II can be found on her robe. 37, 38, 122, and 123 are the latitudes and longitudes enclosing San Francisco.

Cool, not completely sold on the arms but I can see how they came up with that. Good eye.
…and not to mention the upside down roman numerals for 5, 6, 10 and a 5 or an A on the dress. I have read through the forum and I believe it has been asked about before but no speculation was made. Especially about the symbols barely readable towards the bottom.

forest_blight

For #1, someone once mentioned that the folded arms resemble California’s outline.
For #4, there’s a lot. The numbers 37 (left) and 38 (right) can be found in her hair. There are also 38 squares on her cuffs. The roman numerals
I
, II, III and
I
, II, II can be found on her robe. 37, 38, 122, and 123 are the latitudes and longitudes enclosing San Francisco.

Cool, not completely sold on the arms but
I
can see how they came up with that. Good eye.
…and not to mention the upside down roman numerals for 5, 6, 10 and a 5 or an A on the dress.
I
have read through the forum and
I
believe it has been asked about before but no speculation was made. Especially about the symbols barely readable towards the bottom.

Durian

So what do you think of the fact the rose—when flipped—looks a lot like a map of Angel Island?
And what do you make of this clock with two dragons on-board the Eureka:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/feetwet/5 … h8C-9Jbuyu
Seems interesting that we’re looking at an image of a woman:
-Whose dress is dominated by a dragon
-Which is surrounded by Roman numerals
-That we know are from a clock because the V and VI are upside down like a clock
-And the woman’s two hands are crossed and pointing, like a clock?
And the fact this boat is of the style which definitely was an object of Twain’s attention, seeing as how if he didn’t
pay attention
to his work the boat might literally crash. BTW, it was an act of paying close attention that gave Twain his pen name. Seems like a play on words…
Just a lot of coincidence?

1 I think that you can see angel island from the casque site.
2 Those aren’t dragons those are phoenix’s which are a common theme on old clocks /the die-rebirth thing
3 puzzle is china themed a dragon on the dress makes sense.
4 yes but which clock.
5 by that definition any two hands on any image are a clock. they are crossed to represent crossover drive, an identifiable point in golden gate park ,they point to indicate some special information. (not a clock time) the image has a clock it points to just before 6
6 a ferry boat is not a river boat. as a mark twain match , well… there are many better, shoot, angel island is a better match than the eureka. as is fort point. both of which show up in the image, the eureka does not.
7 you missed the best part of the clock on the eureka, the finial on the top matches the finial on the clock on the table…. but then it can’t be a cable car bell….
Do I think it’s a lot of coincidence? why yes, I have seen no less that 8 spots in the city with great matches to the verse and images, admittedly some not as good as maritime park, but most a lot better.

Durian

The colors are probably from the Blue and Gold Fleet.

I seriously doubt it , in the 80s the Blue and Gold Fleet was three small boats that offered sight seeing from way down at the other end of fisherman’s wharf. and really was not a notable company until much later.
they were just one of many sight seeing companies in business around there at the time, nothing special and not even nearby.

In the post “Palencar Original Artwork” page 2, Wicket posted a link to very clear scans of the 12 images and the number in the hair looks like a 36 not 38

Diceycat

In the post “Palencar Original Artwork” page 2, Wicket posted a link to very clear scans of the 12 images and the number in the hair looks like a 36 not 38

yes, well I understand they were from an original book,
and I didn’t want to say anything, but those scans are awful
first just look at a text base paged zoomed in to 400% I would expect absolutely crisp lines, but the lines and letters are full of anti – alias artifacts
and his scanning introduced moire patterns into the image.
so here- its a 38…

Durian, I’m starting to think you’re kind of a douche.

Durian

Malted, you amaze me! Birds don’t have teeth. And two hands on any image are
not
a clock. This is nonsensical.

no you are absolutely right I got mixed up with the senior center those are the phoenixes.
I agree with you on two hands not making a clock, therefore the woman in image one does not represent a clock and her hands do not act as a clock.
I’m glad we got that straightened out.

Durian

Challenging the status quo with facts doesn’t make me a douche.

Absolutely not! at one time I would have agreed whole-heartedly with all these clues.
The real trouble with them is not how good they are, it is simply they don’t lead to a casque.
but perhaps all the people who checked these out before were totally wrong.
If you can put a new spin on them and find the casque, Great!
you just asked for opinions on them so I gave you mine.
I hope you absolutely prove me wrong. I want somebody to find this thing.

Durian

I got it. That’s why I’m asking. Here’s another. What do you think of this:
Looks like the artist might have had some fun by adding a forehead and lower lip.

I think it’s a bit forced, since whether its Lincoln or JFK all he had to do was pull a coin out of his pocket for a matching source. and site confirmers seem to be more exact copies, than say maps.

Durian

It’s the base of the railing that surrounds the Hyde turnaround. Looks to me like the artist may have used a photo like this and added the forehead and lower lip, similar to how he gave the statue in the Chicago puzzle wings. Why? Don’t know, maybe just for a laugh… Maybe to mean something… But the straight lines are a basic match, and the curve of the “hair” and “chin” are a basic match as well. Interesting.

Well no the fairy in chicago is a perfect match with wings added.
These are words to stay away from, its a basic match- that actually means it does’t match but in my mind I add these execptions and it works…
it is an example of seeing something that isnt there.
You keep trying to re-inforce your solve, when really all you need to do is identify a spot.
if your spot is already identified, then go dig it up or get someone to do it.
I know at first you were over by the stairway, not it seems to be in the middle of the park.
If your solve is valid it resolves to a spot, whats the spot? (I am not asking you to tell me.)
go get it dug.
Because as “Interesting” as all these clues are, they don’t point to a specific identifiable casque location.
At the end of 10×13 or In a rectangular plot
Beneath the tenth stone
From right to left
What is your giant pole and where is your giant step in the direction of an object of twains attention. This all has to come to a specific spot.
as soon as you dig it you will know if your theory is correct.

what i said was go dig

hey if you need more help just ask
we are here to help you.
Qs ,theories, ect.

How about Jack and the beanstalk? Beanstalk and leaves all over the table. Reference to giant and smell.
Stonewall Jackson – Jackson Square; the original location of Ghirardelli

There is two things going on with the upper portion of the image, objects of the same thing, and many of them. The most common association to the objects would be the appearance of moons, the image has more than one, so is this a hint to count them? If that is the case then we have 11, two separate clues. Now to associate these clues with a location, Moon = planets = out space = astronomy = a place to observe or to do with observation, 11 is there a place that is associated with the # 11, a place = address = street? The clues in the image are supporting a physical place that we need to confirm we are moving in the correct direction.
This is how i see how this works, am I wrong?

maltedfalcon

the 11 letters = moons has always seemed to me to be a stretch and again the Gh is not the same font as the sign (see the part about exact match above)

A lifetime ago I explained the 11 moons as the element NA or Sodium. The electrons of an atom are often compared to moons of a planet.
It got me to Port of San Francisco Ferry Building with a bit of word play.
NA is for Natrium. N-atrium or an atrium. Ferry building is practically a 2 football field long atrium.
Is the Ghirardelli Square considered an atrium? It kinda fits the definition.

Also 11 moons for 11th month, November meaning 9th.
XI, Chinese name from Xi Zhong, credited with inventing the carriage, who lived during the Xia dynasty (2205–1766 bc).

Choice

Also 11 moons for 11th month, November meaning 9th.
XI, Chinese name from Xi Zhong, credited with inventing the carriage, who lived during the Xia dynasty (2205–1766 bc).

Is there a place in the City that can connect to Xi Zhong?

I don’t know. But there’s a clear connection to 9th ave and GGP

I
don’t know. But there’s a clear connection to 9th ave and GGP

Choice

I don’t know. But there’s a clear connection to 9th ave and GGP

Ok cool, at what point in the puzzle do you think this connects? beginning middle or end?

Choice

I
don’t know. But there’s a clear connection to 9th ave and GGP

Ok cool, at what point in the puzzle do you think this connects? beginning middle or end?

Looking at the map of the GGP it seems to be the entrance to the park.

Looking at the map
of
the GGP it seems to be the entrance to the park.

Choice

Looking at the map of the GGP it seems to be the entrance to the park.

Is there a stone wall’s door to connect to this entrance or near by?

Choice

Looking at the map
of
the GGP it seems to be the entrance to the park.

Is there a stone wall’s door to connect to this entrance or near by?

Looks like the entrance to the park at 9th is the location of the Hall of Flowers and the Big Rec ball field.

Looks like the entrance to the park at 9th is the location
of
the Hall
of
Flowers and the Big Rec ball field.

You’re making a lot of assumptions here. Verse 7/correct order may not be the right one. It may be the reverse order or even other suggested verses. We can’t solve 40 years of conflict today.

You’re making a lot
of
assumptions here. Verse 7/correct order may not be the right one. It may be the reverse order or even other suggested verses. We can’t solve 40 years
of
conflict today.

what if what we think are moons are actually pearls –
https://giphy.com/gifs/funny-seinfeld-E … fullscreen

My thinking is, why use so much of the image to tell us Look at the Ghirardelli sign, if the Gh are what this is supposed to be , then why waste ,moons and numbers to tell us this is the sign when solely the Gh can do that with one hint? As i have explained before, I think this is a hint to Galileo and Polk street, where Polk street runs right into the Maritime Museum entrance.
“At stone wall’s door” With a Map of 1981 that has the word “At” where the stone wall is located, this to me is the most connected clue besides the Lat and long. A map of 1981 that connects the stone wall to a physical place! The word At on the map is also with a capital A, as the beginning of the verse, this to me is very solid backed by published information.
https://ibb.co/5GDLkNZ

My thinking is, why use so much
of
the image to tell us Look at the Ghirardelli sign, if the Gh are what this is supposed to be , then why waste ,moons and numbers to tell us this is the sign when solely the Gh can do that with one hint? As
i
have explained before,
I
think this is a hint to Galileo and Polk street, where Polk street runs right into the Maritime Museum entrance.
“At stone wall’s door” With a Map
of
1981 that has the word “At” where the stone wall is located, this to me is the most connected clue besides the Lat and long. A map
of
1981 that connects the stone wall to a physical place! The word At on the map is also with a capital A, as the beginning
of
the verse, this to me is very solid backed by published information.
https://ibb.co/5GDLkNZ

Durian

I don’t think of the additional hints at Ghirardelli as wasted. I view them as confirmation you are in the right spot.
The map is interesting, but aside from nods to some of the murals in the museum and on it’s northward facing outer wall, I’ve found nothing concrete for the Maritime Museum. Certainly not it’s front. Why do you feel the museum fits the ‘air smells sweet’ part of the verse?

“The air smells sweet” is a nod to move towards Ghirardelli from the entrance of the Museum (east) to me the chocolate colored rocks and the Gh give you a confirmation of Ghirardelli, but that’s just my opinion. HAHA you said not concrete, the entrance IS STONE, seems to me very concrete LOL IMO

Durian

I
don’t think
of
the additional hints at Ghirardelli as wasted.
I
view them as confirmation you are in the right spot.
The map is interesting, but aside from nods to some
of
the murals in the museum and on it’s northward facing outer wall,
I
‘ve found nothing concrete for the Maritime Museum. Certainly not it’s front. Why do you feel the museum fits the ‘air smells sweet’ part
of
the verse?

“The air smells sweet” is a nod to move towards Ghirardelli from the entrance
of
the Museum (east) to me the chocolate colored rocks and the Gh give you a confirmation
of
Ghirardelli, but that’s just my opinion. HAHA you said not concrete, the entrance IS STONE, seems to me very concrete LOL IMO

Here are the theories turtle123456 and have developed for Picture 1. I have updated
The Secret Wiki
page with a picture that helps explain these theories.
Clock
6 O’clock for the 6th month June.
Rose
Birth flower
for June.
Pearl
Pearl is June
birthstone
and jewel for this picture.
Multiple squares and rectangles
On cuffs and throughout dragon. I have no idea what these may represent.
Circle, squares and triangle
I have no idea what these symbols at the neckline are supposed to represent. If they weren’t somewhat prominent it would be easier for me to ignore them.
“G” and “h”
First letters of
Ghirardelli sign
. Letters are the same shape/ font. Backward direction of letters is the same as what can be seen from backside of sign.
Window with bars
Bars in window on rock island represent
Alcatraz Island
.
Rock cliffs
“
The Rock
“. Alcatraz Island.
37 and 38
Latitudes
122 and 123
Longitudes
Drape
Shape
of Golden Gate Park.
Rock face
John F. Kennedy Dr.
runs length of Golden Gate Park and North side of Japanese Tea Garden.
Yin and yang symbol
Chinese/ Asian Theme
Neckline
Shape
of a
torii
.
Dragon
Japanese theme. There is a
Dragon Hedge
in the
Japanese Tea Garden
.
Lake
Japanese Tea Garden
pond
. Pond seems very similar in shape. The drawing used for Garden maps or the pond itself may have changed a little of the years.
Table leg
Leg is the same typical shape as
Tea Garden Lanterns
. There are many lanterns throughout the Garden.
Ten moons
Ten Moons
on Stone Pagoda. There are five moons on each of opposite sides.
Largest moon
One large moon represents the Tea Garden’s
Drum
/
Moon Bridge
. Typical
Moon
bridge.
Well those are our best guesses. I’m sure some ideas need more work. Please feel free to poke holes in them.
The moons on the Stone Pagoda were one of the last clues we solved. We did not find any close up pictures at first. So, I always thought the circles on the sides were just circular holes. When we finally got a close up picture we were floored when the picture showed ten of the same crescent like moons as in Picture 1.

Here are the theories turtle123456 and have developed for Picture 1.
I
have updated
The Secret Wiki
page with a picture that helps explain these theories.
Clock
6 O’clock for the 6th month June.
Rose
Birth flower
for June.
Pearl
Pearl is June
birthstone
and jewel for this picture.
Multiple squares and rectangles
On cuffs and throughout dragon.
I
have no idea what these may represent.
Circle, squares and triangle
I
have no idea what these symbols at the neckline are supposed to represent. If they weren’t somewhat prominent it would be easier for me to ignore them.
“G” and “h”
First letters
of
Ghirardelli sign
. Letters are the same shape/ font. Backward direction
of
letters is the same as what can be seen from backside
of
sign.
Window with bars
Bars in window on rock island represent
Alcatraz Island
.
Rock cliffs
“
The Rock
“. Alcatraz Island.
37 and 38
Latitudes
122 and 123
Longitudes
Drape
Shape
of
Golden Gate Park.
Rock face
John F. Kennedy Dr.
runs length
of
Golden Gate Park and North side
of
Japanese Tea Garden.
Yin and yang symbol
Chinese/ Asian Theme
Neckline
Shape
of
a
torii
.
Dragon
Japanese theme. There is a
Dragon Hedge
in the
Japanese Tea Garden
.
Lake
Japanese Tea Garden
pond
. Pond seems very similar in shape. The drawing used for Garden maps or the pond itself may have changed a little
of
the years.
Table leg
Leg is the same typical shape as
Tea Garden Lanterns
. There are many lanterns throughout the Garden.
Ten moons
Ten Moons
on Stone Pagoda. There are five moons on each
of
opposite sides.
Largest moon
One large moon represents the Tea Garden’s
Drum
/
Moon Bridge
. Typical
Moon
bridge.
Well those are our best guesses.
I
’m sure some ideas need more work. Please feel free to poke holes in them.
The moons on the Stone Pagoda were one
of
the last clues we solved. We did not find any close up pictures at first. So,
I
always thought the circles on the sides were just circular holes. When we finally got a close up picture we were floored when the picture showed ten
of
the same crescent like moons as in Picture 1.

Thank you for these – very compelling! But I count 11 moons in P1, not 10. Are you not counting the larges one among the 10?

Thank you for these – very compelling! But
I
count 11 moons in P1, not 10. Are you not counting the larges one among the 10?

forest_blight

Thank you for these – very compelling! But I count 11 moons in P1, not 10. Are you not counting the larges one among the 10?

This confused us for a long time too. We could not find moon number 11 until one day when I called the Garden’s Drum Bridge a moon bridge while talking to my wife. She noticed I called it a moon bridge. She had found the final moon in the Garden Drum Bridge. I can’t believe we never put the moon bridge together with the moon in the picture. The largest center moon in the picture became the perfect match for the Garden’s Drum/ Moon Bridge. We finally had 11 moons!

forest_blight

Thank you for these – very compelling! But
I
count 11 moons in P1, not 10. Are you not counting the larges one among the 10?

This confused us for a long time too. We could not find moon number 11 until one day when
I
called the Garden’s Drum Bridge a moon bridge while talking to my wife. She noticed
I
called it a moon bridge. She had found the final moon in the Garden Drum Bridge.
I
can’t believe we never put the moon bridge together with the moon in the picture. The largest center moon in the picture became the perfect match for the Garden’s Drum/ Moon Bridge. We finally had 11 moons!

This is all wonderful. Where did Gulliver bury the casque? What clues does Gulliver’s book give to help find the casque?
Constantly pounding home a connection that doesn’t advance the puzzle does what for everyone?
You win. It’s all about Gulliver’s travels. What is the logical next step? What location or area are we supposed to look next and why?
If there are no good answers to these very basic questions, how strong is this connection really?

It’s all about the 10 yard step dude, get with it!

Choice

It’s all about the 10 yard step dude, get with it!

Oh I get it. A 10 yard step from where to where? Does Gulliver help with that question, dude?

I’m the Jack the Beanstalk guy myself!

fox – I hope you’re not thinking of me when you mentioned chocolate-lover’s toes! I’m totally open the idea that the “Gh” is simply meant to tie it to San Francisco, the Ghirardelli sign being a landmark and all. There were a couple of similar things in the Chicago picture – turrets from the Water Tower area that were too far from the X to be site markers. The part in her hair looking like the GG Bridge area must be another city marker rather than a site marker.
The Coit Tower reference is something else altogether, though. If that is really a map of that part of the city in the dragon’s scales, it’s awfully obscure to be a general reference to San Francisco.

1st of all…what in the heck is a Moon Viewing Garden?
now, I have pretty much always been sold on GGP being this casques resting place…thanks in part (if not whole) to maltedfalcon’s ideas.  Now this whole locating of 10 {+1} moons at the Japanese Tea Garden….wow!  What better place to see our P’s 11 moons than from the Moon Viewing Garden in the Tea Garden?  If those arent our moons on the pagoda…than maybe we are just supposed to find the ideal spot to view the moons.  Located throughout the Moon Viewing Garden are these:
I dont have my book handy but is the base of this “thing” similar to our P’s table base?  It is a pedestal of sorts holding a flower…granted it isnt a rose…but….
also…
maybe we are trying TOOOOOO hard to find our giant step.  Tie it in w/ our moons and Moon Viewing Garden brings us back to  “That’s one small step for (a) man, one giant leap for mankind.”
now…for those who have tried to reverse engineer the Grant Park find in Chi-town…was that casque buried in a “garden” or “garden area” of Grant Park?  The reason I ask is this:  Sir Egg can confirm that his casque was located in the Greek Cultural Garden in Cleveland which goes quite nicely w/ the Greek images of that P.  Now we have a P predominantly displaying moons so why not the “Moon Viewing Garden”?
come on guys, lets find this thing already…

not to step on any chocolate lover’s toes out there w/ your Gh… but why can’t this be our sweet smelling air?
“Garden of Fragrance  In the Garden of Fragrance, plants with aromatic foliage—salvia, rosemary, lemon verbena, lavender, and Grecian laurel—grow in crescent-shaped beds built of stones from a 12th century Spanish monastery. This sheltered area, one of the warmest in the Garden, is a favorite with visitors and birds.”
look, they even grow in crescent (ah…lovely Luna) shaped beds…

I will through my hat into the ring here…
Looking at both Solved puzzles, there is a consistent pattern with the two. Both have an Iconic image where the puzzle starts. From that image it brings you to the beginning of the verse. In both there is a distance between Iconic image and the start of the verse. This is part of the walking tour, in the proposed solutions from which I can tell Gh ( Ghirardelli is the Iconic image) and from that is where the puzzle starts? From start to finish is a few blocks from each other? This is would not be consistent from the other two solved puzzles. I do see the connection to Gh and the air smells sweet, but I can also see it to be G (Green) h (house) that can refer to the Conservatory of Flowers, this is a famous Green house in GGP. Golden Gate park is true West and passage from the book mentions “in the West were golden beaches” GGP sits on the edge of the west with adjacent ocean beach. Aquatic Park is true North. There are many other connections to GGP 3 that stand out with out doing any research or detective work.
1. High Posts are three: Sutro Towers 3 posts together which can be seen from almost anywhere in the park. There is no need to connect 3 different post to get three high posts.
2. Near ace is high : Ace meaning 1 every definition under ace is meaning 1, high meaning elevated. Hwy 1 is Golden Gate Bridge (elevated) which ties into GGP.
3. The Rose : There is no guessing here, GGP has a Rose garden, no overlay needed or explanation to get us to understand the meaning. Very simple.
The research I have done all points to GGP Now I could be totally wrong that this is not the correct park, but I have the same passion that others have for there solutions. I can appreciate the work that others have done here with passion and confidence and that is what is needed to find the next casque.

Spirtr
Welcome to the weird and funny world of pareidolia
as far as your photoshop work, it is excellent and you have a good eye and talent for layout
remember this is one of the easy puzzles.
it it were really this obvious somebody would have got it years ago.
Not me- I was never one the ones at the maritime park.
but there were quite a few looking there
The basic reason I (personal opinion here) think this is wrong, is as many clues as you “see”
they don’t culminate in an exact spot.
There are no pictures of something you would see, just a few feet from the casque (the fence/fixture) the wall/stones
lots of places in Golden gate park have a mass of images and a bunch of verse clues like this. They all turn out to be dead ends
cause while you can get 90-95% there, its really not a 100% match. and that happens time and again
that’s the simple reason why this has taken so many years.
Please please, prove me wrong and dig up the casque
! I hope someone does soon!

maltedfalcon

Well the most obvious reason is there is no image of central park in the NY image,
the 2nd being he did not say it was not in golden Gate Park.
The 3rd being all the obvious references in the image to parts of golden gate park.

Got it. And I definitely agree with your 2nd and 3rd reasons.
I just do not see GGP as the image in the artwork. It certainly has the same shape and the woman’s crossed arms are compelling. As you know, I see her as a representation of Russian Hill and her crossed arms as the Belt Railroad. I see the shape of the Native Plant Garden in NMP as well as the shape of GGP.

Durian

Hi Malted,
I understand what Mr. Backstop’s question is. I simply commented on your assertion that their are many clues pointing to GGP. I just don’t think there are any. I think a lot of people
want
it to be in GGP because it is the largest park in the City, and therefore it must be there. I think that is essentially what Mr. Backstop is getting at… The roughly rectangular pattern of the woman’s dress—with a very slight flare in the lower right—lends support to the idea the casque is in GGP. But other than that, I don’t see much evidence. Where is the park’s second and larger “flare” around Kezar? Where is the panhandle? Or either a map or image of any of the park’s features? And the neckline doesn’t match anything in the park. I’m willing to cut the artist a lot of slack in hiding a map in the image. No panhandle included? I get that. But the Great Highway runs essentially straight past the park with a slight bend, yet it’s depicted as making four ninety degree turns around the park. To what purpose in the puzzle? If we are to believe that a very slight flare that may not even have been intentional is a big clue, then what are we to make of such a treatment of the Great Highway? Certainly the hard angles of the neckline is a bigger clue than a slight drift of the artist’s hand when painting a dress?
And what about the woman’s shoulders, depicted with the same blue dots as the larger rectangle? Are these adjunct parks? Are these hidden parks? Do I need a special pass from Hogwarts to visit them?
And why according to the GGP theories are so many things in the image reversed? For what purpose? When I look at this puzzle from the perspective of GGP, I see endless questions, with very few answers. This lends itself to theories that really stretch credulity, as they try to find images outside of the painting to support ideas on where in the park the casque might be buried. The inherent problem with the casque being in GGP is that we are looking at a painting depicting Alcatraz and the waterfront, not GGP. One has to tune out all the rocks and water and distant islands and references to cable cars and boats to form a theory of GGP.
Regarding Aquatic Park, there do appear to be good clues that might tell one where to dig, but unfortunately, it’s not as easy as “just go dig it up.” Next time I’m in SF (hopefully about three months), I’ll investigate the site and see if I can find exactly where the clues point to dig. Then, assuming I can find an extremely likely spot supported by the image, I’ll try to pitch it to NPS. But I don’t think we should hold our breath. It is unlikely they will approve a dig regardless. The good news is that the area hasn’t really changed much, so if the casque is there (and the bigger “if”: did Preiss do a good and exact job with the clues?) it is probably recoverable.
Finally, I’ve searched this board, and it does not appear that aside from probing the beach anyone has dug in Aquatic Park. Certainly some folks have picked up on many of the same clues I have, but I don’t think any of them used the clock/compass and the Ghirardelli sign as I believe the artist intended. Without these clues, there does not appear to be much in image or verse to give you an exact dig spot. At any rate, Aquatic Park has definitely, at least on this board, been largely overlooked…

In reverse order, the reason no one has dug, is no one (after years of looking carefully) has found a logical dig spot that fits the clues.
Be very careful of saying things like “as [] the artist intended” you don’t really know that and it is just about guaranteed to lead you astray.
I understand you don’t think ggpark is a match for the image at all which is fine, I cant show you the Golden Gate park map with the upper case G and lower case h but that’s not my problem, I’ve seen it, I am not doing your research. but simply say the park outline on the map perfectly matched the outline of the dress, from the great highway to kezar, like it was traced. the map did not have the panhandle or the extra flares. but it had many many features that matched the swirls of the dragon, take or leave that as you will . In the map (although the great highway is straight,) it showed as a curved line like the neckline, –
anyway I’ve seen it I don’t need to find it again.
if you are going to be a stickler for accuracy then you cant use Gh for Ghirardelli as the font definitely does not match.
So are we going for strict tracing or not?
we agree it is not in golden gate park but you can’t dismiss it. or do you have a alternate iconic image water tower/transit building image for SF
and we have shown there is a method to get from the iconic image to the start of the verse. in multiple image/verse combos
you are ignoring this step and others and treating SF as a stand alone puzzle. instead of applying the methods we learned elsewhere
As far as permits, SF wants this found badly, so if your pitch is turned down, you arent doing a very good job of “selling it” to them. they don’t want random guesses they want solves that do make sense though.
I understand you might not have your spot at this point and need to be on site to find it, that is totally logical
Also I know you have said the tabletop is a perfect match for the turntable. its not.. look under the watch and you will see part of a central structure (behind the watch) that is not on any cablecar turntable, but was a central feature in a fountain that existed in 1981.

My revised dig spot from a couple months ago is now this:
The landscaped area in National Maritime Park that lines up with the Ghirardelli Clock Tower and the East Speaker Tower. This is the curved landscaping to the West of Larkin St. and South of the East Speaker Tower. It has a curved triangular shape. To give yourself an “X” marks the spot, line up the Flag Pole on the Maritime Museum (the top has a ball on it like many flag poles do, that looks like the pearl in Image 1) with the old location of the Turntable. Remember the turntable used to be on the other side of what I call the Circus Tent shelter. These two lines will give you an “X” in that landscaped area.
I noticed something awhile back that I couldn’t figure out about the clock on the table. It is slightly askew to the left, it does not line up straight from top to bottom. It is set at six o’clock and that tell’s us that once you are standing in the correct spot you will be at six o’clock. If you stand on my dig spot the turntable, think cable car bell on top of the clock, is just slightly off from lining up perfectly with the Native Plant Garden when connecting it in a line to the Maritime Museum Flagpole.
Remember the upside down IV on the bathrobe? I line that up with the East Speaker Tower which is the head of the Dragon.
The part of the verse that ends Giant pole Giant step I believe is covered by the Speaker Tower and Preiss’ playing around with the SF Giants. Remember, in the Boston verse the term step was used to mean street block. I don’t believe it means Giant Block by any means. I used the “6” and the Large “S” on the sea monster to mean 6 steps or 6 blocks from my starting point at Pier 43. I believe BP used Giant in a creative way to mean Giant pole (East Speaker Tower) and Giant step (distance from tower to the buried casque).

durian
the question was why ggpark when not central park
not is the casque in goldengate park
the answer to that is of course it’s not
i did see where you saw the sillohuettes and images you mentioned
but i dont see them
perhaps others do
no worries just go dig it up!

The area I’m talking about is this bushy area to the left of the Speaker Tower.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0Fqi4lafUR4/T … 1%2529.JPG

I tried my best my friend, people are just too blind to see it, it’s all ” silhouette ” and “clearly”, let me know if I missed anything~
https://drive.google.com/open?id=17Uip5eJKZVZDKlL2E5vVJjLRmD4q01Uq

fox

Now we are in CO?  Not a geography genius but I’m pretty sure that the Centennial State has no port cities. I am pretty convinced that the list of locations we are working on right now are casque resting places. Let’s not veer too far off course here guys.

Doh!  I knew something felt wrong about CO.  I had little to nothing to go on anyhow.  Thanks for the course correction, Fox.

maltedfalcon

The goddess of the forest is a very good possiblity for the giant Pole,  Unfortunately I dug completely around it to a depth of 4 feet and found nothing.
it was west of Highway one. on John F Kennedy Blvd,  Approximately where 30th intercepts JFK Blvd.
yet until the solutions are published/released or somebody finds an SF casque, it is merely a possiblity.

….but was it a “giant step” away where the shadow of the giant pole was on the month of June at 6 o’clock just like the original Masquade?

I must be imagining things, but something here just looks similar to me.
Dude’s look totally different in drag…

erexere

I’ve been fumbling here for a bit.  Something about Glenwood Springs, CO has me looking deeper.

Now we are in CO?  Not a geography genius but I’m pretty sure that the Centennial State has no port cities. I am pretty convinced that the list of locations we are working on right now are casque resting places. Let’s not veer too far off course here guys.

lest we forget the greek cultural GARDENS…

Exactly my point, Fox (this agreement thing is getting to be a habit, eh?).  One may bury something in a “garden” without disturbing the actual flower beds. As was done in Cleveland.

all set as promised~
Youtube Live starts at 9:30am

Spiritr

Yea I know,
I’ll call again Monday and ask them about it, if they insist I’m not allow to film.
I’ll do exactly what I do to the cops. Am I being detain? If not, no one has the right to stop me from exercising my First Amendment right to record. And I’ll show them my press card. I should be good.
btw, reason why he keep telling me this place doesn’t exist and I might not be able to dig there, was because I randomly marked a circle on the map and he thought that is where I wanted to dig!
and also, do anyone know what “Aza” mean?
the bottom half of the email contain a reference number and my information, and ” for more information please contact the Aza office” ? Where is that?

The moment you start to give them any kind of grief, the groundskeeper will “remember” there is a fragile water line just below the spot you want to dig and your dig will be dis-allowed. – so smile and save the filming for after.

Spiritr

and also, do anyone know what “Aza” mean?
the bottom half of the email contain a reference number and my information, and ” for more information please contact the Aza office” ? Where is that?

The Association of Zoo’s and Aquariums
which is wierd cause thats a national thing,
here is the SF zoo office
San Francisco Zoo & Gardens
1 Zoo Road
San Francisco, CA 94132
(415) 753-7080

Best of luck
Fyi the permit “Fine print”
says no filming

Yea I know,
I’ll call again Monday and ask them about it, if they insist I’m not allow to film.
I’ll do exactly what I do to the cops. Am I being detain? If not, no one has the right to stop me from exercising my First Amendment right to record. And I’ll show them my press card. I should be good.
btw, reason why he keep telling me this place doesn’t exist and I might not be able to dig there, was because I randomly marked a circle on the map and he thought that is where I wanted to dig!
and also, do anyone know what “Aza” mean?
the bottom half of the email contain a reference number and my information, and ” for more information please contact the Aza office” ? Where is that?

Spiritr

And I’ll show them my press card. I should be good.

That should be an interesting exchange. What exactly is your press card used for? I’m going out on a limb here and making the assumption that you are not a writer of any kind.

me and my dad have decided that its both, if you put your finger over the chin then it looks like JFK and when you take your finger off then it looks like Lincoln…..so we think its both

if he could bury it in a cultural garden he could bury it in a children’s zoo!!
wilhouse

Hello,
I am new to this. I saw the show regarding the Secret and am hooked. I believe that I know where the San Francisco casque is buried. I need someone to check it out. (Poke the location). Anyone interested?

I am new to this, so I haven’t been following the posts. I have a different location that may be the location of the casque. I need someone to poke the ground in that spot for me as I am located in Alaska. Anyone interested in checking it out?

AlaskaCasqueFinder

I am new to this, so I haven’t been following the posts. I have a different location that may be the location of the casque. I need someone to poke the ground in that spot for me as I am located in Alaska. Anyone interested in checking it out?

So to be clear, Hundreds of very smart people have worked on this for dozens of years. Lots and Lots of spots have been checked. if you haven’t been following the posts how do you know your spot hasn’t been checked before ?

Happy 100th page everyone!

WHY ISN’T THE BARRED DOOR THERE?!

Goldengate

3) the line that goes across the top of the image just under that door, almost appears to be a crease in the painting itself.

If that painting has a glass cover or some other coating, the line you see could be caused by a reflection from a window across the room. I’ll need to recover my recording to see how it flows with the camera.

It looks half-finished to me. Curious. Were the illustrations heavily retouched after JJP had rinsed the brushes…?

There was a second painter on the grassy gnoll.

erexere

There was a second painter on the grassy gnoll.

Lol!

If the door was a last mintue addition by Preiss, it would explain why we can’t find an exact match. I doubt Preiss had JJP’s ability to recreate from photos so exactly.

maltedfalcon

I am pretty sure the plaque was added when the statue was refurbished
also I think the date on the plaque is wrong…

Are you sure? When was the statue was refurbished? What is the date (1914) wrong about? Sorry not trying to beat a dead horse but I’ve been seeing more:

IF someone with an original copy of the book is willing to help me out with an observation in the image. The area in the image i am referring to is behind the table and leg to the open dark space to the right of the Gal. Does the dark area look like it is lighter or a comparison to chalk that is smeared on a Blackboard? I cant tell if the scans created this fading of color when scanned.
upload

Yes they are lighter like acid washed or worn off fabric.

Choice

Yes they are lighter like acid washed or worn off fabric.

Would possibly look like smeared chalk on a blackboard?

It’s a bit foggy! Here are a couple of different exposures.
https://imgur.com/a/1te8SuJ
https://imgur.com/a/bhPVRQZ

Choice

It’s a bit foggy! Here are a couple of different exposures.
https://imgur.com/a/1te8SuJ
https://imgur.com/a/bhPVRQZ

Thanks!

I came across a sudden inspiration….or a cultish sway in judgment…when I read about Rodin’s connection to the Hotel Biron in Paris. After discovering the possibility there is a theme connected to “Jewels from Byron” in new Orleans with the Mystik Krewe of Comus and possibly other avenues or uses of historical nom de “Byron”.
…something to think about…damn coincidences.

At the entrance of Arguello. From today’s trip into the park.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/138281177@N05/40692393152/in/dateposted-public/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/138281177@N05/25864538297/in/dateposted-public/
Maybe this is the eagle? Not an exact match, but could be the inspiration?

At the entrance
of
Arguello. From today’s trip into the park.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/138281177@N05/40692393152/in/dateposted-public/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/138281177@N05/25864538297/in/dateposted-public/
Maybe this is the eagle? Not an exact match, but could be the inspiration?

Located on Angel Island is this monument.
I find it interesting how it has 2 columns of characters and a round object centered above the columns……. similar to the pear above the robe in P1.

IMMIGRATION PORT CITY
San Francisco
“The Angel Island Immigration Station
Angel Island is probably best known as the home of the Angel Island Immigration Station. The station, which operated from 1910 to 1940, was the main entry point into the United States for people arriving from the Pacific routes. More than one million people were processed at the station; most were allowed to enter the United States immediately and did not spend much, if any, time on the island. Rather, they were allowed to enter San Francisco soon after their ships docked, and their paperwork was forwarded to the immigration station for processing and storage.
Because so many people were processed there, Angel Island is often called America’s “Ellis Island of the West.” This name is not accurate, however, due to an important difference in the missions of the two immigration stations. On Ellis Island, immigrants were welcomed to the United States, and the vast majority were processed and landed immediately. On Angel Island, however, many immigrants–most of whom were Chinese–were not welcomed at all and were allowed into this country only grudgingly. The Chinese exclusion laws, first passed in 1882 and updated periodically until 1943, were enacted to keep Chinese immigrants out of the United States. During the twentieth century, several other Asian ethnic groups were added as well to the “excluded” list.
In the mid- to late nineteenth century, large numbers of Chinese people were coming to the United States, drawn initially by the gold rush to San Francisco and Gam Saan (the Gold Mountain) then to work as inexpensive laborers on the transcontinental railroad and in mines in the western part of the country.(10) Many American-born workers perceived these laborers as having taken jobs away from them, and when an economic depression hit the United States in the 1870s, the anti-Chinese sentiment increased enormously. In response to public opinion, Congress passed the exclusion laws.
In enforcing these laws, immigration officials detained newly arrived Chinese people while they determined their eligibility to enter the United States. According to some estimates, 75 to 80 percent of the arrivals were admitted to the United States after some form of detention. Most detention periods ranged from few days or a couple of weeks to six months; a few lasted as long as nearly two years. Regardless of the length of time, detainees had little, if any, contact with friends or relatives on the mainland. For this reason, the immigration station on Angel Island was known among Immigration Service officials as the “Guardian of the Western Gate.”(11)
A vessel carrying Chinese immigrants is met by the Health
Service boat from Angel Island.
The first laws barred the immigration of Chinese laborers for ten years: “Whereas in the opinion of the Government of the United States the coming of Chinese laborers to this country endangers the good order of certain localities within the territory thereof . . . the coming of Chinese laborers to the United States . . . is hereby suspended, and during such suspension it shall not be lawful for any Chinese laborer to come . . . [to] the United States.”(12) The law was also explicit regarding matters of citizenship for Chinese people: “hereafter no State court or court of the United States shall admit Chinese to citizenship.”(13)
The exclusion laws granted exemptions to certain groups of Chinese people. Teachers, consular officials, tourists, merchants, and the wives and children of exempt individuals were allowed to enter the United States. This last group of exempt people were generally the relatives of American-born Chinese or of those Chinese people who had been naturalized prior to the passage of the law and who had left families behind in China when they immigrated to the United States. Sometimes, however, Chinese men returned to China, married, and brought their wives to the United States.
In 1888 Congress passed another law, restricting a Chinese person’s right to travel: “No Chinese laborer in the United States shall be permitted, after having left, to return thereto.”(14) Again, as with the original exclusion laws, there were exceptions to this law. Individuals whose wives or children resided in the United States and those whose assets in this country were greater than one thousand dollars were allowed to leave and return.
The exclusion laws were renewed in 1892, with additional provisions. The most restrictive one required all Chinese laborers legally residing in the United States to obtain certificates of residence that offered proof of their legal status. Any Chinese laborer without such a certificate would be subject to arrest and deportation. Laws similar to these were also adopted around the turn of century in the Hawaiian territories.(15) “
taken from
http://www.english.uiuc.edu/maps/poets/ … natale.htm

Euhirudinea

I can’t speak for anyone else, but I think that anyone who is trying to solve the SF puzzle using a Verse other than #7 (with Image #1) is wasting their time. Actually, I can speak for at least two others closely associated with the puzzle, at least anecdotally. In over 17 hours of podcasts, neither host (nor any of their guests for that matter), ever seriously suggested that the commonly accepted Image/Verse/City connections are incorrect. Not once.

What do you say we go fire up that slow spill thread and finish what got started?
I’d love to see how you guys thread all of the initial steps together.
Honest statement.

Euhirudinea

I
can’t speak for anyone else, but
I
think that anyone who is trying to solve the SF puzzle using a Verse other than #7 (with Image #1) is wasting their time. Actually,
I
can speak for at least two others closely associated with the puzzle, at least anecdotally. In over 17 hours
of
podcasts, neither host (nor any
of
their guests for that matter), ever seriously suggested that the commonly accepted Image/Verse/City connections are incorrect. Not once.

What do you say we go fire up that slow spill thread and finish what got started?
I
’d love to see how you guys thread all
of
the initial steps together.
Honest statement.

BINGO

What do you say we go fire up that slow spill thread and finish what got started?
I’d love to see how you guys thread all of the initial steps together.
Honest statement.

Everybody just stay calm…
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/WVHscEurAP0/hqdefault.jpg

BINGO

What do you say we go fire up that slow spill thread and finish what got started?
I
’d love to see how you guys thread all
of
the initial steps together.
Honest statement.

Everybody just stay calm…
https://
i
.ytimg.com/vi/WVHscEurAP0/hqdefault.jpg

Unknown

Unknown:
Renovator, I love your work, and I especially enjoy the podcasts,

Unknown

Unknown:
MaltedFalcon did admit that nobody could really be sure of the correct Image/Verse pairing until a casque was dug up.

Unknown

Unknown:
Clinging too tightly to the “commonly accepted” connections is going to get us the same “commonly accepted” results… which is to say, no casques.

To be clear, I have nothing to do with the podcasts, so I’m not sure the compliment is intended for me. But I enjoyed them as well, so we have that in common.
And yet, to the best of my knowledge, Matt hasn’t used anything but Verse 7 for the last 10+ years in his quest to find the SF casque, to date unsuccessfully. Do you think for one minute that he thinks his lack of success is because he is using the wrong verse?
Digging up a casque is hard enough if you have a general idea of where it’s supposed to be. Just ask the Chicago Boys, or Andy and Brian. Under any other scenario, it’s almost impossible. And we have hundreds, if not thousands of empty holes to prove it.

Unknown

Unknown:
Renovator,
I
love your work, and
I
especially enjoy the podcasts,

Unknown

Unknown:
MaltedFalcon did admit that nobody could really be sure
of
the correct Image/Verse pairing until a casque was dug up.

Unknown

Unknown:
Clinging too tightly to the “commonly accepted” connections is going to get us the same “commonly accepted” results… which is to say, no casques.

To be clear,
I
have nothing to do with the podcasts, so
I
‘m not sure the compliment is intended for me. But
I
enjoyed them as well, so we have that in common.
And yet, to the best
of
my knowledge, Matt hasn’t used anything but Verse 7 for the last 10+ years in his quest to find the SF casque, to date unsuccessfully. Do you think for one minute that he thinks his lack
of
success is because he is using the wrong verse?
Digging up a casque is hard enough if you have a general idea
of
where it’s supposed to be. Just ask the Chicago Boys, or Andy and Brian. Under any other scenario, it’s almost impossible. And we have hundreds, if not thousands
of
empty holes to prove it.

Euhirudinea

To be clear, I have nothing to do with the podcasts…

Weak. You could have at least said “Renner’s podcasts.”

Euhirudinea

To be clear,
I
have nothing to do with the podcasts…

Weak. You could have at least said “Renner’s podcasts.”

Euhirudinea

And yet, to the best of my knowledge, Matt hasn’t used anything but Verse 7 for the last 10+ years in his quest to find the SF casque, to date unsuccessfully. Do you think for one minute that he thinks his lack of success is because he is using the wrong verse?

Actually I am always going back and reviewing theories against other verses, for SF notably 6, but I am constantly checking other verses just in case.
I look at it as I have not been unsuccessful, because I have successfully ruled out so many possibilities, ever slowly narrowing the search.

Euhirudinea

And yet, to the best
of
my knowledge, Matt hasn’t used anything but Verse 7 for the last 10+ years in his quest to find the SF casque, to date unsuccessfully. Do you think for one minute that he thinks his lack
of
success is because he is using the wrong verse?

Actually
I
am always going back and reviewing theories against other verses, for SF notably 6, but
I
am constantly checking other verses just in case.
I
look at it as
I
have not been unsuccessful, because
I
have successfully ruled out so many possibilities, ever slowly narrowing the search.

Glossiphoniidae

Weak. You could have at least said “Renner’s podcasts.”

Does Renner have podcasts?

JamesV

Renovator, I love your work, and I especially enjoy the podcasts, but I have to respectfully disagree. I submitted that same question via Facebook to be asked on the podcast’s SF episode, and MaltedFalcon did admit that nobody could really be sure of the correct Image/Verse pairing until a casque was dug up.
Even with all the crazy “post-Expedition Unknown” theories being thrown around (wolves!!), I’m still cautious about being too closed-minded with this puzzle. Clinging too tightly to the “commonly accepted” connections is going to get us the same “commonly accepted” results… which is to say, no casques.

Well stated, but I think the opposite is true. Not enough people have adhered to the rules of the original two casques and the research done on Q4T because it doesn’t make them feel like a special snowflake puzzle genius. The methods for the found casks clearly show that having boots-on-the-ground images is key to solving the puzzles, yet rarely does someone go out and take a bunch of pictures of little-seen areas near where image matches abound. What is between the utility box and the freeway in 2C Charlesgate? Where do the tall palm trees/statue palms shadows fall at 4 PM in White Point Gardens in the appropriate month? To this day I have no idea what is between the Elizabethan Gardens and the crumbled gate.
Rather than build off the decades-long work of others, people have dismissed it and tried to solve the puzzle using Google Streetview, even though to this day that wouldn’t work for Chicago. Plus, the stubborn “well maybe you haven’t found it because you’re doing it all wrong” demeanor of a lot of the newer hunters has chased off the veteran researchers.
This could have gone so right: A flood of people from EU taking pictures all over the areas where it might be could have led to multiple solves. But instead people just want to pick a location that feels good to them and cherry pick info to “support” their claim, or try to solve the whole puzzle from scratch without first taking the time to read through the entire q4t threads for their image and verse to see exactly where the bar is set so they can discard their new theory if it doesn’t raise it.
Case in point: New Orleans. People have been all over the place trying to pair verses with it, and coming up with bizarre new solving strategies like magnifying it and seeing imaginary figures in the brushstrokes. But JM, Brett Zingler, and Burnstyle just went to where the best image match was, poked around the areas where it could be seen, and found an amazingly striking image match in the form of a weird column.

Unknown

Unknown:
because I have successfully ruled out so many possibilities, ever slowly narrowing the search.

The number of possibilities that you have ruled out is a rounding error compared to the number of possibilities. It’s like trying to successfully complete a crossword puzzle by randomly inserting letters, and thinking that you are close because you have managed, by chance, to make a few words.
But, to each his own I guess. I stand by my original comment.

Unknown

Unknown:
because
I
have successfully ruled out so many possibilities, ever slowly narrowing the search.

The number
of
possibilities that you have ruled out is a rounding error compared to the number
of
possibilities. It’s like trying to successfully complete a crossword puzzle by randomly inserting letters, and thinking that you are close because you have managed, by chance, to make a few words.
But, to each his own
I
guess.
I
stand by my original comment.

JamesV

Renovator, I love your work, and I especially enjoy the podcasts, but I have to respectfully disagree. I submitted that same question via Facebook to be asked on the podcast’s SF episode, and MaltedFalcon did admit that nobody could really be sure of the correct Image/Verse pairing until a casque was dug up.

He’s right. no one can be sure until a casque has been dug up. In the same vein no one can be sure Jimmy Carter isn’t an alien lizard in Disguise until an autopsy is performed.
Both are possible…. yet they are both unlikely. However, I would love to be proven wrong.
JM actually used the SF verse in NOLA once to illustrate how verses could be matched to any city if you stretch them far enough… I can’t speak for him but I think he would agree. Possible but unlikely.

Spiritr

words that ties to image…
“v” and “B.”

Here’s another connection to “v” and “B.” :
• Siddhartha has 3 vowels and sounds like Sidd-Hard-a
• Island of Buddha
• Peace lantern a good match for “V”
• JJP’s signature may be the base of the Peace lantern and a clue
• Pearl in the image could be the bird’s eye view of the lantern. Notice the halo around the pearl is not round but has multiple curved sides similar to the top of the lantern. It’s color is also verdigris.
• The round handle on the table leg could be a clue to a teapot or tea garden
• That pond looks like a genie lamp

Oh cool, another analogy. Let me write this down. It goes on the list on top of Matt’s wright brothers and just below Gump’s box of chocolate.

drunknerds

To this day I have no idea what is between the Elizabethan Gardens and the crumbled gate.

There is a walkthrough of the whole park on 12treasures.

Can anyone manipulate/enhance JJP’s signature better?
Looking at you Matt!
I think Jude part of the signature after J starts with p.
peace?
I looked at the original edition image under mag glass and it does look like p after J.

drunknerds

Well stated, but I think the opposite is true. Not enough people have adhered to the rules of the original two casques and the research done on Q4T because it doesn’t make them feel like a special snowflake puzzle genius. The methods for the found casks clearly show that having boots-on-the-ground images is key to solving the puzzles, yet rarely does someone go out and take a bunch of pictures of little-seen areas near where image matches abound. What is between the utility box and the freeway in 2C Charlesgate? Where do the tall palm trees/statue palms shadows fall at 4 PM in White Point Gardens in the appropriate month? To this day I have no idea what is between the Elizabethan Gardens and the crumbled gate.
Rather than build off the decades-long work of others, people have dismissed it and tried to solve the puzzle using Google Streetview, even though to this day that wouldn’t work for Chicago. Plus, the stubborn “well maybe you haven’t found it because you’re doing it all wrong” demeanor of a lot of the newer hunters has chased off the veteran researchers.
This could have gone so right: A flood of people from EU taking pictures all over the areas where it might be could have led to multiple solves. But instead people just want to pick a location that feels good to them and cherry pick info to “support” their claim, or try to solve the whole puzzle from scratch without first taking the time to read through the entire q4t threads for their image and verse to see exactly where the bar is set so they can discard their new theory if it doesn’t raise it.
Case in point: New Orleans. People have been all over the place trying to pair verses with it, and coming up with bizarre new solving strategies like magnifying it and seeing imaginary figures in the brushstrokes. But JM, Brett Zingler, and Burnstyle just went to where the best image match was, poked around the areas where it could be seen, and found an amazingly striking image match in the form of a weird column.

I have been to a number of the sites and taken a buttload of photos and video, and even back tracked and crisscrossed looking for things that stand out. I ran out of free cloud storage after posting everything for Milwaukee, and I’m not sure that I want to pay to share everything else.
When you say “adhered to the rules of the original two casques”, what exactly are you saying?

Choice

Oh cool, another analogy. Let me write this down. It goes on the list on top of Matt’s wright brothers and just below Gump’s box of chocolate.

Life is like a box of alien lizard Jimmy Carters….

gManTexas

I ran out of free cloud storage after posting everything for Milwaukee, and I’m not sure that I want to pay to share everything else.

I can give you an account on 12treasures and you can post as many images as you want. Ill pay for the storage.

Choice

Can anyone manipulate/enhance JJP’s signature better?
Looking at you Matt!
I think Jude part of the signature after J starts with p.
peace?
I looked at the original edition image under mag glass and it does look like p after J.

I cant enhance it more… but that particular signature looks like this:
He has used it on a few other paintings… the chicago one for instance.

burnstyle

I can give you an account on 12treasures and you can post as many images as you want. Ill pay for the storage.

I Emailed you.

Yes, I’ve compared his signatures. However my point is it looks like he’s hiding a message in the signature. I clearly see a p instead of u in Jude.
BTW the signature on the castle-hat painting is not in the book but on the painting on his website that has been down for awhile.
http://www.johnjudepalencar.com/home.htm

SF searchers,
Anyone have information or knowledge of the tunnel and cement fixtures on the overpass (JFK) between 10th and 9th ave. When it was built, can’t seem to find anything on this.

Goonie68

SF searchers,
Anyone have information or knowledge of the tunnel and cement fixtures on the overpass (JFK) between 10th and 9th ave. When it was built, can’t seem to find anything on this.

http://www.sanfranciscodays.com/golden- … jfk-tunnel

Same source says the senior center didn’t come around until 1980

drunknerds

Same source says the senior center didn’t come around until 1980

Hey Drunknerds, thanks for the link!! I have a AAA map from 1978 that has the it marked as the Senior Center, maybe officially it was 1980?

Goonie68

Hey Drunknerds, thanks for the link!! I have a AAA map from 1978 that has the it marked as the Senior Center, maybe officially it was 1980?

Interesting. I found two documents that said 1980, but if the 1978 map says it then… there it is.
What is needed is if there was anything indicating it was a police academy near the center, and whether the barred gate was still in front of the door.

Goldengate

So cool that the SF Parks Dept is has become so engaged in the search — they sound just as excited as the hunters! It’s an awesome partnership and additional reason to go through the process of applying for a permit, I’m sure the supervising parks representative at each dig can be extra insightful in terms of theories and what’s already been searched.
If you think about it, their involvement is a great resource and something totally unique to The Secret!

Maybe someone can go over to the Portals of the Past with them and probe behind it. Left side if you are facing the front. Right where the sort of natural flat spot is.
Not sure if I posted this, but I can see a connection between the columns of the Portals and the Roman numerals in the border of her dress. We have a III and a II.
If we look at his older photo of the Portals, we can see the replacement (giant?) pole on the right side in the back from when the earthquake of 1957 destroyed the original column. Also III and II, plus a pole.

Saoirse

There’s also a silhouette of McKinley on the mountain in the picture. He’s located at the end of the panhandle of GGP though. Plus it looks like Alcatraz bars in the picture.

Wondering if any SF natives ever explored this idea any further?
If you look at the woman’s dress as a possible overhead view of Golden Gate Park, wouldn’t the pearl then be “located” somewhere in the Panhandle section of the park?

I just got back from a business trip…if I can be of assistance, please let me know. I live in Castro Valley, work in Oakland, and can show up in San Francisco on a moment’s notice…

I
just got back from a business trip…if
I
can be
of
assistance, please let me know.
I
live in Castro Valley, work in Oakland, and can show up in San Francisco on a moment’s notice…

Durian,
Hi. I’ve only glanced at this thread over the past several weeks and took notice just now of your activity. I like the way you’re exploring the ideas. Keep up the good work.
When I weigh the options you’ve put forth about the Gh, I think I’m more in camp A, where you find yourself for whatever reason looking towards the Ghirardelli sign. I really like how it has a “main street” feel, looking north towards the Alcatraz and the hills in the background. In the painting the G and the h are actually separated, and it’s in our mind that we assume they are linked as they are adjacently found in the sign. I feel like that separation of two things normally found close together is a suggestion to be at some far distance from the sign, “increase the distance from the letters”. Could this also be a directional clue to travel further west?
I was on a map kick just now, probably overdoing/overthinking or being liberally biased in my own way, as usual, but I feel the strong urge to look at a mirrored version of the painting while I develop a sense of perspective as I look at the standard map of SF. Certain things kinda stand out, like what looks like the little island of Alcatraz, and the shape of the Golden Gate Bridge peninsula and of course the large rectangular dragon impression of the main roads through Golden Gate Park. I wonder if the pointing finger is anchored to this pointing towards the cliffs of Lands End.

Unknown

Unknown:
up to this point only only locals(ish) have found a casque

True in Chicago. Not even marginally true for Cleveland. Having said that, people who were within a reasonable driving distance from a casque site had a considerable advantage over those that weren’t, since being there in person was likely the only way to gather enough information to satisfy the requirements set forth in the book for claiming the jewel without actually digging up the casque. The internet has opened up the puzzle to a lot more people, but in many ways, specifically in regard to the end game, we are right back where Preiss intended. As this current conversation so clearly illustrates.

I cold send mine in today and do that! id just rather try and dig it up first lol.

Unknown

Unknown:
id just rather try and dig it up firstt

You and me both Josh. Especially since in 2018, it remains the only way to know for sure whether you have the solution or just another solve.

Durian, I’ve enjoyed checking out your posts and agree with you that the casque is buried in National Maritime Park. I don’t have your dig spot in my solve but like all the info you’ve included to make your solve.
Let me add something to the NMP location. I haven’t noticed anyone talk about the letters in the Snake toward the bottom. I very clearly see a letter “g”, “E”, and “o” which of is the abbreviation for George. If you then take the snake and look at it from the side you see the letter “H”. This is indicating George Hyde for whom Hyde Street is named. And of course, Hyde Street borders the NMP with Jefferson. The Rose on top of the turntable makes the letter “J” for Jefferson and the other vine makes the number “3”. Thomas Jefferson was the 3rd President of the United States.
Something to keep in mind about the Balclutha, she wasn’t where she is now when BP was there but, she was just a pier or two over and that would not affect the ability to see her masts.

Durian,
I
‘ve enjoyed checking out your posts and agree with you that the casque is buried in National Maritime Park.
I
don’t have your dig spot in my solve but like all the info you’ve included to make your solve.
Let me add something to the NMP location.
I
haven’t noticed anyone talk about the letters in the Snake toward the bottom.
I
very clearly see a letter “g”, “E”, and “o” which
of
is the abbreviation for George. If you then take the snake and look at it from the side you see the letter “H”. This is indicating George Hyde for whom Hyde Street is named. And
of
course, Hyde Street borders the NMP with Jefferson. The Rose on top
of
the turntable makes the letter “J” for Jefferson and the other vine makes the number “3”. Thomas Jefferson was the 3rd President
of
the United States.
Something to keep in mind about the Balclutha, she wasn’t where she is now when BP was there but, she was just a pier or two over and that would not affect the ability to see her masts.

Durian, Maybe you can clarify the starting point a little more. IF “At stone wall’s door” is the front of the Ghirardelli building where you should start the puzzle, how do you use the backwards Gh if you start in front of the building? If you are too see the Gh from behind the building to confirm the visual clue in the image, like you have in your solution on Hyde street, that would put you south of the Aquatic park to see the Gh, Angle Island, Alcatraz ? Starting at the Ghirardelli building go up Hyde street (to see the Gh backwards) then back down Hyde street, back to the front of the Ghirardelli building? I am also curious about what you thoughts are on the Rock face( Regan, Lincoln, JFK) I didn’t see this in your solution.

Durian, Maybe you can clarify the starting point a little more. IF “At stone wall’s door” is the front
of
the Ghirardelli building where you should start the puzzle, how do you use the backwards Gh if you start in front
of
the building? If you are too see the Gh from behind the building to confirm the visual clue in the image, like you have in your solution on Hyde street, that would put you south
of
the Aquatic park to see the Gh, Angle Island, Alcatraz ? Starting at the Ghirardelli building go up Hyde street (to see the Gh backwards) then back down Hyde street, back to the front
of
the Ghirardelli building?
I
am also curious about what you thoughts are on the Rock face( Regan, Lincoln, JFK)
I
didn’t see this in your solution.

Some food for thought. I think golden gate park is the site but not sure of the exact location of the casque.
Have not done much research on this so go easy on me.
1: Sounds from the sky = Andean cloud forest (as seen on google maps),
2: Near ace is high = Martin Luther King Jr. Drive ( Ace is higher than a King)
3: Running north but first across = just like it sounds go across the street and head north
4 In jewels direction is an object of Twain’s attention = well if it wasn’t a giant sequoia tree then it’s music
5: Giant pole = the flag pole in the music concourse or a giant sequoia tree some where nearby
6: Giant step = now this is the difficult part but it could be the shadow cast by the pole and where the end falls at (high noon) I know it’s a big guess , could also be a giant step away from the tree.
I also like the tall pole that’s in the park as a potential dig site but don’t see it fitting in the the lines easily
There are other things I like about this location 1: the fountain with the cat fighting the snake , the face of the girl sort of looks cat like and the fact she is clasping her hands together like the cat that is grasping the snake and the fact that the serpent is in the image too and the location of the hands in relation to the image of the park it’s at that near end of the park.
2: I like the berry image under the hands, could represent a light from one of the light posts or if you invert it there is a berry or pineapple looking piece on top of one of the fountains dedicated to the memory of a Hearst.

Some food for thought.
I
think golden gate park is the site but not sure
of
the exact location
of
the casque.
Have not done much research on this so go easy on me.
1: Sounds from the sky = Andean cloud forest (as seen on google maps),
2: Near ace is high = Martin Luther King Jr. Drive ( Ace is higher than a King)
3: Running north but first across = just like it sounds go across the street and head north
4 In jewels direction is an object
of
Twain’s attention = well if it wasn’t a giant sequoia tree then it’s music
5: Giant pole = the flag pole in the music concourse or a giant sequoia tree some where nearby
6: Giant step = now this is the difficult part but it could be the shadow cast by the pole and where the end falls at (high noon)
I
know it’s a big guess , could also be a giant step away from the tree.
I
also like the tall pole that’s in the park as a potential dig site but don’t see it fitting in the the lines easily
There are other things
I
like about this location 1: the fountain with the cat fighting the snake , the face
of
the girl sort
of
looks cat like and the fact she is clasping her hands together like the cat that is grasping the snake and the fact that the serpent is in the image too and the location
of
the hands in relation to the image
of
the park it’s at that near end
of
the park.
2:
I
like the berry image under the hands, could represent a light from one
of
the light posts or if you invert it there is a berry or pineapple looking piece on top
of
one
of
the fountains dedicated to the memory
of
a Hearst.

atdreamer2112

Hey gMan, it’s this one…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xdt58T366xw

OH HELL NO!!……Lemme fix that for ya!…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tA0_vr_Ktl8

Crazy Train(OZZY) would be mine, cuz walking down the street with a probe, shove and a drill people look at you like YOU CRAZY!…….Well I AM!

Totally random thought, and I figured I’d post it here since this thread is off the rails and batshit loco…
Post a playlist for scouting or digging for the Secret. I mean boots on the ground, headphones on, mission driven. What would you be listening to?

Hit the road jack,
All my exes live in Texas?

Choice

Hit the road jack,
All my exes live in Texas?

You got some issue? This isn’t the first swipe you’ve taken.

gManTexas

You got some issue? This isn’t the first swipe you’ve taken.

lol, chill.
BTW none of that was bat crap loco. I may have the final dig spot near Coit. Need to scout the area to confirm. Shared with Goonie in case he can do a walk through.

Choice

lol, chill.
BTW none of that was bat crap loco. I may have the final dig spot near Coit. Need to scout the area to confirm. Shared with Goonie in case he can do a walk through.

lol, shill.
Oops, was that a Freudian slip?

Ride Like the Wind (Christopher Cross)

gManTexas

lol, shill.
Oops, was that a Freudian slip?

Something must’ve gotten lost in translation. I don’t speak stupid.

Choice

Something must’ve gotten lost in translation. I don’t speak stupid.

Get off your high horse. By the way, speaking of high horses, I’m currently in Cleveland looking at all the points that were missed and overlooked. When are you gonna put some boots on the ground in some
Choice
spots?
BTW, next time you call me stupid, I will bitch slap you from wherever I happen to be.

Do yourself a favor and get a new pair of glasses. You obviously can’t see the difference between chill and shill.
And get a life, I’m not obsessed as you are. It’s just a hobby in my spare time and have done more in a few weeks than you’ll ever do in a decade, stupid!

Choice

Do yourself a favor and get a new pair of glasses. You obviously can’t see the difference between chill and shill.
And get a life, I’m not obsessed as you are. It’s just a hobby in my spare time and have done more in a few weeks than you’ll ever do in a decade, stupid!

Godspeed Choice. May you lift casques to the moon in victory.