ok, just another thought on this one….  look at her “blue” hood ……..ok…..is it just me or does the whole hood in the P look like a rotated Lake Michigan?
http://www.touchtmj4.com/4weather/radar/max.gif

gManTexas

Please post any thoughts or photos you might have.
Thanks!
gManTexas

gman,
These are photos that were taken by the landscape company that updated the area around the Wolcott statue in 2007.
If you have pictures of the area today, this gives you some idea of what has been changed.

animal painter

gman,
These are photos that were taken by the landscape company that updated the area around the Wolcott statue in 2007.
If you have pictures of the area today, this gives you some idea of what has been changed.

Thx! I really appreciate that. I listened to the podcast for MKE last night, you are internet famous!!

I think that’s fabulous work, not much else to add as I Milwaukee has always been beyond my reach. Very strong case and fits my personal “feeling” of how to follow the painting/verses. I think standing there in 1983 would probably reveal a lot more, and possibly point a specific spot to stick your shovel in the ground, if you’re right.

Many people who consider the Laureate sculpture a clue depicted in the image regard it as a mere point on a map and nothing more. My opinion is that some clues are more significant than others in terms of demonstrating a motif. Some clues might just be surface level geographic points on a path. In case this isn’t one of those, I’d like to consider the name of the sculpture is possibly the motif we need to understand in order to link the clues to the destination as intended.
The word “laureate” basically means “one who is adorned by a laurel wreath”. Laureate generally associates with distinguishing someone for their literary or scientific achievement, and also for heroism. This clue would be helpful if the puzzle requires identifying a particular poet or military person.
If you like the Lake Park theory, then General Wolcott is a good statue choice.
I like the Kościuszko Park theory, which would help identify the Tadeusz Kościuszko statue.

It’s odd that this Wisconsin initiated joint
resolution #34
proposes that the stamp of Thaddeus Kosciuszko be valued at 3 cents when it’s in fact a 5 cent stamp.
A cool idea would be to use this suggestion that Thaddeus himself is the postage on the casque, “the treasure waits,” because it’s waiting for a mail carrier to pick it up as they would when arriving at a mailbox with it’s flag in the upright position. Thaddeus on his horse is a very tall statue and his right arm is raised up high with his sword. Perhaps this is the fair folks impression of a fancy Polish mailbox…

erexere

I think the large pattern on the interior of the cape is meant to look like a tree rotated 90 degrees, but its really the folds of a boot or some other garment on a statue. When I compared it to the low res image of the left boot of the Kozy monument it didnt look like a convincing match, so I’ve asked crashdome and some other contacts to take a photo of the right side of the statue just to be sure. I think its very possible its “under the boot” like the idiom “under the boot of imperialism”.

Haven’t posted in a while. Just peeking in from time to time to check the progression. (Not lurking to steal ideas so don’t worry. No time to travel.) Just wanted to throw out an idea I had after reading erexere’s post above. I always thought the image inside the cape was a tree. Then I began to think why do you need an image of a tree when the trunk of a tree is also in the image. Why two? Just one should be enough. Our “digging” tree or location confirmer if you will. So I now agree there is a possibility that the one inside the cape may be a statues legs (thanks Eric). Then I dug up some pics from when I searched Milwaukee. I don’t have any great pics of Juneau but I think maybe his legs may be it. If you’re on the south side of him where the relief is the same as the image, look up at his legs. They are parted, with the rifle he holds in between. In the correct location at the site it may match up to the cape. He has folds in his pants like the image and a ruffle on his left leg which may be the shadow going down the left leg in the image. Sorry I’m sending this from my phone so I can’t post an image for you to visualize it but I will. Just food for thought. Just don’t be so quick to dismiss an idea as I frequently see on this forum.
***Edit***
I said this before, but when I probed just south of the Juneau statue I thought I had it. Hit something about 2 feet down. Was pretty excited. Then I probed the whole length of the statue base and it was the same thing. Must be a concrete base underground all around the statue about 3 feet wide. So I thought it has to be the trees south of the statue but they have been dug up and replaced per the marker in the ground by the new trees. I probed to no avail. So if this is indeed the location it doesn’t look good.

maybe the folds of elbows too.

I had a thought that you can please pass along; please check the base of General Douglas MacArthur Statue at Veterans Memorial Park. Pass Compass Point Park, not Compass Point Lighthouse. There are 3 flagpoles next to the MacArthur statue (which is over 9 feet tall). Gen MacArthur Earned his 5th Star and the monument was completed in 1979 (fresh dirt to dig in back then). There is possibly of a slight image of the arm of the statue in the upper left quadrant of the print. Any thoughts?

jgivv

I had a thought that you can please pass along; please check the base of General Douglas MacArthur Statue at Veterans Memorial Park. Pass Compass Point Park, not Compass Point Lighthouse. There are 3 flagpoles next to the MacArthur statue (which is over 9 feet tall). Gen MacArthur Earned his 5th Star and the monument was completed in 1979 (fresh dirt to dig in back then). There is possibly of a slight image of the arm of the statue in the upper left quadrant of the print. Any thoughts?

Yup…fresh dirt.
Back then.
But, not in Veteran’s Park….until 2014….it was originally in MacArthur Square before then.
https://city.milwaukee.gov/cityclerk/hpc/War-Memorials-of-Milwaukee/MacArther-Statue.htm#.W4zlNvlOlGp
“Dedication of the statue took place on June 8th, 1979 in MacArthur Square, with MacArthur’s widow Jean MacArthur in attendance. The Pulaski High School band provided ceremonial music, and West Point cadets from Wisconsin were there to be a part of the ceremony.
Decades later, in October of 2013, the statue received attention as debate began about the possibility of moving it. Veterans and civic leaders felt that it didn’t get much attention in MacArthur Square, which over the years had become an underutilized park space. “It’s such a waste to have him over there,” said Ted Hutton, a retired Allen-Bradley executive. “Most people don’t even know the statue exists.” Marine Corps veteran Mike Balistriere said,”Right now, that statue isn’t very visible to folks . . . It doesn’t get a lot of attention. But it will at the War Memorial.”
Support was garnered to move the statue to a new spot in Veteran’s Park on the lakefront, and after much planning the move occurred on May 29, 2014.”

I thank Merlot for several observations. We have to remember that JJP wasnt the design god of this hunt. He painted what was given to him in the form of polaroids and descriptions. A blue color could mean water, but then there’s water all over the place. We have to exercise some restraint when drawing specific conclusions from generic details.
We know theres several options for 3 stories of Mitchell. We should be asking which one makes the most sense to the dwarven/German puzzle. The Deutscher/Wisconsin Club (was A. Mitchell’s residence) seems like a better fit than the University’s Mitchell Hall or the three Domes from a cultural specific point of view.

I havent found a fit for the blue cowl. I dont trust that the color blue is being used to hint of water. I’m not compelled to look for an aerial map contour at this point.
Im happy to discuss any details of my ttheories which have changed much along the way. The H.G. Wells idea was a late evolution. The reference to distance in space and time had me thinking about the Time Machine as a possible literary reference something like how Melville was used in Houston. The beating of the world line then caught hold better as reference to either War of the Worlds or WWII, than a reference to the Kenwood kitchen mixer as a street name clue.
I feel that the two best location fits are Wisconsin Club and a spot north of City Hall where the two spires can be seen just as depicted. From there it seems to “leap” somewhere far away on the map. The only explanation I have involves taking a compass heading of 200 degrees and using a spanner to “step” across the map of Milwaukee, taking us to an area about 3 miles away or the distance one would travel on foot in about 1hour.

So do you think that the shape of the blue on the hood of our lady’s cloak is a generic detail? I certainly don’t. Just because I don’t know what it is I still see it as highly likely to be important and helpful to a solution. Sounds like you have many in depth theroys that are over my head. Like I said I don’t have a copy of the book unfortunately and I don’t yet understand how the talk of HG Wells started or why it is important. Not asking you to explain it but I’m personally not there yet.

Lady Poverty

Merlot
Are those from the treasure hunt? What cities? I do not recognize them from this site. I do not have the actual book though either. the blue on the cloak seems to be a body of water of some sort. And why only selected items with the halos and not all of them? Seems like so much of the image is meant to be interpretive and I am hesitant to write off the blue as artistic style.

No. Those are just other examples of Palencar’s artwork to demonstrate that this is a common stylistic technique that he regularly uses with his art.
Incidentally, as far as the actual hunt is concerned, he does the exact same thing in Image 1, Image 3, Image 4, and image 12.

Since Milwaukee’s getting new life, figured I’d just repost these

Yes, that is definitely an image confirmer of Milwaukee”s Lakefront memorial.
BP certainly handed JJP a photo of that statue base.

Is there a list of strong references to Solomon Juneau in the city? Street named after him right?

City Hall’s bell is named “Solomon Juneau”. City Hall and a bell, both in the image. Plus the statue relief. Hard not to suspect this area.
And… Do Re Mi Fa
So/Sol
La Ti Do. The “fifth” note of scale is So or Sol. Sol is a nickname short for Solomon.
Just some forgotten ideas to ponder.

Hmmm what’s the bell in hand?
Does anyone have any street maps from the 80s in this area? I have a weird theory I want to look over. It’s
Nothing earth shattering just a desperate hope to match “beating of the world.”

Xieish

For what it’s worth I’ve never had particularly good discussion on this board, I don’t have tons of posts, but nobody had ever helped me with my theories. Some people are helpful via PM, but many are non responsive or rude. I’ve posted things and shown up to see evidence of prodding/digging. I’ve always assumed that we all keep our most promising theories either close to the vest, or in small groups. I think it’s a bit haughty to come out here and pretend like this place is a magical fairyland of socialism. Why would I post my theory if I didn’t need feedback on it? Did my solve not take work as well? Does telling me how much work you did diminish mine?
I want a casque on my mantel, that’s my
Only goal.

Xieish

Hmmm what’s the bell in hand?
Does anyone have any street maps from the 80s in this area?

Let’s see. First you post this on the Image 12 thread:
Then you post this:
Based on these statements, I do not see why we should help you whatsoever. You do not seem willing to share any of your thoughts, correct?
Are you hoping that this is a “magical fairyland of socialism” after all?

Just because nobody helped me with solving 12 doesn’t mean I’m not working together on 10. But you guys have quite the sense of entitlement “I know we didn’t help you at all with 12, but we demand the answers.”
I’m happy to work with people: nobody has been willing to work with me in the past. Don’t pin this on me. I’ve always been willing to work with people in Boston or elsewhere. Anything I find on Milwaukee I’m happy to share, since we know diddly poop about it. If you aren’t in the “inner circle” here your ideas are cast aside for the same 9 theories people have been re-hashing since 2002.
You have to understand how entitled you sound about 12. I don’t owe you anything. We are not friends, unless you want to be (I’m actually quite decent!). I, like you, am free to keep certain things close to the vest. For me it’s 12. That has nothing to do with the rest of the casques.
Again: From my POV you are asking for the
solution
to 12, not a theory. You are basically asking me to share my hard work and give it away on a silver platter. If it was a theory I had questions about or needed help with, of course I’d share and look for input.
As I have yet to explore the site for myself, I keep it close.

Xieish

what’s the bell in hand?

This is the hand…
…and this is the Solomon Juneau bell in City Hall.
http://city.milwaukee.gov/ImageLibrary/ … easure.pdf

Brilliant, thanks so much. The more I research about this area the more I realize it may have changed more than all other 11 areas combined. Statues moved, parks built, destroyed, parks that have monuments that get moved or removed over time, especially downtown (which I think we have a lot of evidence pointing toward)… I think Preiss’ assessment that local people will have an easier time solving them is double/triple appropriate in this case.

Based on percentage of that fragment to the bell as a whole, I think its highly subjective. Once it was confirmed by locals on site at Kosciuszco Park in Milwaukee that there were exactly 1 young birch followed by three more on the west side as you take the northwest corner to the southwest corner and the stand at the “fifth” or 1-of-5 star rank officer statue, it is also a perfect and more substantial percentage match to the horse’s hoof.
I think its far more realistic to consider visual objects ONLY if they are discovered along a direct line by line path of interpretation.
The Solomon Juneau bell is still a satellite notion with no strong indication of how one begins and ends that particular journey or how the small fragment is to be utilized. What, are we to liken the subtle hidden image in the hand to the fence shape used in Chicago’s image? Come on…

I agree with that.

not sure what this does, or dosent do to lake park, as a casque site
would that mean you couldnt walk on the lighthouse grounds
North Point Lighthouse was automated in 1943, but
Coast Guard personnel continued to live at the station until 1994
, when the fourth-order lens was removed from the tower and the station was discontinued. The lighthouse and keeper’s dwelling, which had been placed on the National Register of Historic Places in 1984, were leased to Water Tower Preservation Fund Inc. in 1999, and fundraising efforts were launched to restore the structures. North Point Lighthouse Friends, Inc. was incorporated on January 15, 2002 to focus on restoring the lighthouse and obtained $980,000 in Transportation Enhancement Funding that year to help with restoration costs. In 2003, the lighthouse was transferred to Milwaukee County, who then leased the property to North Point Lighthouse Friends. Restoration of the tower was completed in 2006, and the dwelling was restored the following year. The Fresnel lens removed from the tower in 1994 was returned to the station on May 20, 2009 and now revolves in a display case in the keeper’s dwelling.
http://www.lighthousefriends.com/light.asp?ID=245

erexere

I think its far more realistic to consider visual objects ONLY if they are discovered along a direct line by line path of interpretation.

Not sure what you mean…NO has several great matches with no obvious trail between them or specific correspondences in the verse. I think the juggler is a great match for Juneau, and the independent observation that the bell in his hand resembles the noted Juneau bell in City Hall (itself an indisputable match) seems like a nice tie-in to me.

I’m far from the expert on Image 10 but Lake Park has always seemed a bit forced to me. The big blow in that one is that the lighthouse was added to the register of historic places in ’84 – meaning that it may have been buried when it could still be dug. Hopefully it’s not there!
What are the direct image matches in NO? I mean direct “Preiss took a polaroid of this object” images?

Xieish

What are the direct image matches in NO?

Preservation, definite. Armstrong very likely. Joan, McDonogh and City Park daffodils likely.

WhiteRabbit

This is the hand…
…and this is the Solomon Juneau bell in City Hall.
http://city.milwaukee.gov/ImageLibrary/ … easure.pdf

Let us not forget too that the bell rings in the note of G. “Letter from the country…”? And with the music scale in mind the “fifth” note of scale is Sol. Short for Solomon.

And as White Rabbit pointed out many times he is also a Leo.

Also, to all those who are reading this , not contributing, and digging holes in parks at night without replacing the dirt or sod (YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE)…consider this… you are going to draw negative attention to what we are trying to do. If you aren’t going to obtain permission and go rogue…at least put the dirt and sod back so the whole city doesn’t put a clamp on people digging and send patrols out to the parks at night costing all of us taxpayers money that desperately needs to be put into fixing the city streets.
Thank you.

I think the City Hall perspective image is an instruction to find the spot where that picture is taken so the spires are level and clock tower is to the right. Call this point A, the origin of a line on a map, liken it to the Sun in a map of our solar system.
Plankington rotunda, point B, likens to the position of planet Mercury (Hg = H.G. Wells).
The casque is near some place, point C, which is related to the 7 juggled objects as a way of suggesting 7 units of distance based on how far away Point A and B are spanned on a map. Take a compass and fix it to that AB distance, walk the compass to the spot by taking 7 steps.

Unknown

Unknown:
As Renovator said, not finding every clue shouldn’t impede you from finding the treasure grounds, but I feel if we entered the park the wrong way, we are taking the wrong path, and possibly ending up in the wrong place…something to consider.

Just to be clear, I don’t think we need any more information on the clues that precede “ascend the 92 stairs” to solve
this
puzzle. There is no doubt in my mind that at that point in the journey, we are standing at the top of the Grand Staircase, trying to decide where to go next, and not how we got there. Unified theories are nice, as they may shed light on the other 9 puzzles, but for this one, all we need is a historic photo of LMD at the foot of the NLB Ravine circa 1982. It’s my opinion that I would probably be saying the same thing about the Chicago casque if that one wasn’t already out of the ground. We are in the right place. We just need confirmation on the “last mile”.
I’m reminded of the old joke about the drunk who is looking for his car keys on the corner of 5th and Main. When approached by a cop, and asked to explain himself, he tells the cop that he dropped his car key outside O’Briens, and is trying to find them. The cop, amused, reminds him that O’Briens is on the corner of 6th and Main to which the drunk replies “I know that. But the light is much better over here.”. At the foot of the NLB Ravine is where we need to focus the search, even if it is easier to look someplace else.
My two “cast in copper”.

Euhirudinea

At the foot of the NLB Ravine is where we need to focus the search, even if it is easier to look someplace else.

Careful what you wish for!
I’ll have the answer to that by the end of tomorrow.

decibalnyc

I went through that area several times today…no birch tree’s. As a matter of fact the ONLY birch trees I have even seen are both near the golf course. The first young birch could have been mistaken with a young poplar as well. Any trees on LMD save the big giant cottonwoods from 1980 are pretty much gone now.

thanks, to bad, the only reference to trees in the pk, that made sense to look at, to me
maybe there was a birch and now its gone, if you pass by there again could you get a
wide shot of the area

Unknown

Unknown:
I’ll have the answer to that by the end of tomorrow.

Sounds promising. Good luck.

Euhirudinea

He could have put it right next to a tree, as long as he probed the ground first to make sure that the dig was feasible. As I said, it was a small, shallow hole. More than likely though, he avoided trees (even young ones) for reasons having nothing to do with digging, and everything to do with the fact that he expected people to be able to locate these things in the future.

I doubt it. Why would someone go through the trouble? With so many places to dig, why go near a tree and the roots?

Unknown

Unknown:
With so many places to dig…

I ask myself the same question with regard to the Fountain of Youth Park in St. Augustine or the Children’s Zoo in Houston.

id say theres very good reason to go near trees and roots, because if there is development in the area over time, this would seemingly act to protect the casques location.

anus905

which design? on the collar of the juggler?

Yes, the shape of the park next to the tower is just a repeated pattern all over the collar as I see it. What is the easy clue I’m missing? I’m open to all info JC.

gManTexas

No, I don’t have a good explanation for the hearth. I’m not against the Water Tower, it just doesn’t make sense to me to go all through Lake Park to wind up at a spot outside of the park.

I hear what you’re saying but look at the distance traveled in Chicago, Priess made you walk a little . Many other solves that I and many others have posted for other Cities require some serious walking. Of course, we won’t know the true distances until a casque comes out of its hole.

Gman
I get it, if you’re not feeling it, you’re not feeling it. My key is the hearth. So I would ask you, do you have another good hearth in mind in this area. I’ll be honest, after I found this one and saw the design in Image 10 around the lady’s neck, I stopped looking for another hearth.
JC
I gotcha, you don’t like this solve. That’s okay by me. The cool think is that ALL our solves are right until they are proven wrong.

eeee I don’t know about that. you make an obvious and glaring error on a pretty easy clue. and its pretty central to your solve…my two cents.

which design? on the collar of the juggler?

you travel a good distance in this one as you either start at Mitchell Hall or Wisconsin supper club (one brings you to the wrong park, one brings you to the right park via slightly different readings of the clues).
first 7 clues together get you from original location to park.
ill tell you the answer to the clue you’ve made an error on is in this forum.

MrBackstop

Gman
I get it, if you’re not feeling it, you’re not feeling it. My key is the hearth. So I would ask you, do you have another good hearth in mind in this area. I’ll be honest, after I found this one and saw the design in Image 10 around the lady’s neck, I stopped looking for another hearth.

No, I don’t have a good explanation for the hearth. I’m not against the Water Tower, it just doesn’t make sense to me to go all through Lake Park to wind up at a spot outside of the park.

Unknown

Unknown:
Sure digging a giant hole in a very public place seems alarming.

It’s not a “giant” hole. It’s not even a “big” hole. It’s a small, shallow hole, relatively speaking. I watched two men dig about 30 of them a few weeks ago, and it took them about 2 hours. Look, I get it. The legend of the holes lends mystery and intrigue to the hunt. Not as much as equating it to getting away with murder though. Still, burying these things was the easiest and least time-consuming thing Preiss had to do, and why, for the most part, they can be anywhere a person can dig. Even places that seem unlikely by today’s standards.

Euhirudinea

It’s not a “giant” hole. It’s not even a “big” hole. It’s a small, shallow hole, relatively speaking. I watched two men dig about 30 of them a few weeks ago, and it took them about 2 hours. Look, I get it. The legend of the holes lends mystery and intrigue to the hunt. Not as much as equating it to getting away with murder though. Still, burying these things was the easiest and least time-consuming thing Preiss had to do, and why, for the most part, they can be anywhere a person can dig. Even places that seem unlikely by today’s standards.

So, you agree Preiss didn’t bury it by any trees? Because that is a long hole to dig.

anus905

you travel a good distance in this one as you either start at Mitchell Hall or Wisconsin supper club (one brings you to the wrong park, one brings you to the right park via slightly different readings of the clues).
first 7 clues together get you from original location to park.
ill tell you the answer to the clue you’ve made an error on is in this forum.

Stop being an ass, Anus. If you have an idea, just share it instead of trying to be obtuse. This forum isn’t about beating on your chest and declaring how great you are, it is about solving these puzzles.
For the record, you went to several locations and came up empty-handed, so you have no authority to claim to know where anything is or is not.

well ive not mapped mw completely out but if you do not recall I posted the entire first half of this solve (it was deleted) leading to both parks.
think of what clue is central to his solve. the answer is here in the forum.
its a very straightforward clue with a very straightforward answer.
also, other than guessing final location…how does rest of puzzle get you there?

hint: it relates to what ive been posting about recently

anus905

well ive not mapped mw completely out but if you do not recall I posted the entire first half of this solve (it was deleted) leading to both parks.
think of what clue is central to his solve. the answer is here in the forum.
its a very straightforward clue with a very straightforward answer.
also, other than guessing final location…how does rest of puzzle get you there?

Hey Josh, do me a favor. Quit this forum. Take your bullshit somewhere else. Nothing, I mean nothing, you have posted has made any sense or has been helpful in any way. You have cluttered up these threads with random guessing at stuff that is not rooted in reality. I realize that we have to deal with people like you on the internet, but if you are serious about helping then just leave instead of flooding these boards with your mental diarrhea.
Thanks,
gManTexas

really? lol why you mad?
you gotta break a clue to get a clue!
how the puzzle works!

anus905

really? lol why you mad?
you gotta break a clue to get a clue!
how the puzzle works!

I’m not mad at all. I don’t really care, that’s the deal. If I solve anything or not, I am sharing my results. I don’t really give a rat’s ass about you sitting in Canada claiming to know everything. The reality is that I am on the ground in Milwaukee and trying to help other people figure this out. I have no ulterior motives. I will share all of my data and photos in the next few days.
Put up or shut up, bro. Man up.

Euhirudinea

It’s a small, shallow hole, relatively speaking. I watched two men dig about 30 of them a few weeks ago, and it took them about 2 hours.

Did they find the heart piece, or are they going to have to pay 80 rupees and try again?

drunknerds

Did they find the heart piece, or are they going to have to pay 80 rupees and try again?

Dude, What are you saying?

gManTexas

Dude, What are you saying?

He’s referring to ‘The Legend of Zelda’…..Link….Nintendo…..or, sumptin like dat.
And…..you must be crazy, runnin’ around Milwaukee when it’s raining with gusts up to 30 and temp at 32°….

Mister EZ

He’s referring to ‘The Legend of Zelda’…..Link….Nintendo…..or, sumptin like dat.

This is it. There’s a hole-digging minigame in some of the Zelda games. I just couldn’t think of another reason that Renovator was watching two hours of hole digging.

Unknown

Unknown:
So, you agree Preiss didn’t bury it by any trees? Because that is a long hole to dig.

He could have put it right next to a tree, as long as he probed the ground first to make sure that the dig was feasible. As I said, it was a small, shallow hole. More than likely though, he avoided trees (even young ones) for reasons having nothing to do with digging, and everything to do with the fact that he expected people to be able to locate these things in the future.

MrSeabass

f**k why haven’t you gotten fried cheese curds yet it’s Saturday

I don’t eat cheese or fried food. If I still did, I would’ve been on that days ago.

Amazing work, Gman, I’ve never heard of that technology.
Now, all we need is an anonymous “mark where you’ve dug” app .

I took some video while I was in Lake Park in Milwaukee. Here is a link to my walk around the Lion Bridges and North Point Light House area on 11 April 2018. This footage is from a GoPro camera strapped to my chest, and it is slightly bumpy from me walking, but It gives a decent wide angle view of what is there.
You’ll notice that the light house ravines have pretty steep slopes and generally rough terrain. It is difficult to imagine anything being buried on these slopes.
The video is 3.33 GB and 36:34 long. I also removed the sound since there wasn’t anything interesting there.
Enjoy! More to come.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1aTN21O … sp=sharing

johann

Perhaps this gentleman can be asked to share his info here.

perhaps not…
wilhouse

Don’t forget Lafayette.

Hey folks,
Now that we all have a better understanding of the Chicago puzzle, let’s try to apply some of those lessons to the Milwaukee puzzle. Here’s my list:
Preiss included various iconic buildings from each city, even if they weren’t close to the treasure spot.
The water tower in Chicago is analogous to the City Hall in Milwaukee. Both help identify the city and the broad general area, but not a particular spot.
Preiss included some obscure architectural design features, even if they weren’t that close to the treasure spot.
The pattern from the Carson, Pirie, Scott and Company Building in Chicago is analogous to the pattern from the parking garage in Milwaukee. Neither one is a nearby clue or even a step along the way. They’re both just patterns that caught his eye.
Preiss had an eye for art.
He included the bit from the Great Lakes fountain in Chicago and the bit from
Laureate
in Milwaukee. They aren’t particularly close to the treasure spots, but he liked the art.
All of these downtown details, iconic and obscure, do not form a path.
Preiss was just throwing in fun bits of design. That circular pattern from the Carson, Pirie, Scott and Company Building doesn’t mean that you need to walk anywhere near it to find the casque.
Preiss didn’t choose a crowded, downtown area to bury the casque.
He knew we would need some privacy to do the digging, so he didn’t put the casques in the grassy, well-maintained areas where people are constantly walking.
At the same time, Preiss didn’t put the casques out in a wilderness.
There are places that are more wooded and private in Grant Park, but Preiss knew that we needed some permanent, physical features nearby to locate the casque. So he put the casque beside a metal fence and a concrete path. That brings me directly to my next lesson.
Each picture in
The Secret
includes a representation of some unremarkable, distinctive, and permanent physical feature near the treasure spot.
The recognition feature is something that’s going to be around for awhile but isn’t remarkable enough to ever be on a postcard or in a book. In Chicago it’s that bit of fence with the “halo.” It’s something you’ll only see when you have walked right up to the spot.
All of which leads me to repeat yet again:
The Milwaukee casque is at the southern foot of either the locust or the (former) Tree-of-Heaven at the base of East Ravine Road.
Here’s the
Google Street View
. The spot matches the verse. It has the perfect balance of not-too-remote and not-too-maintained. And it has the recognition feature of the concrete disk.
So would someone go dig the damn thing up already? Take a
short-handled spading fork
to loosen the soil, a
short-handled trenching spade
to dig a nice, neat hole, and a tarp to pile up the soil. Wear sturdy boots so you can drive the fork and spade into the ground. Go 6 inches out from each trunk to avoid the roots and then define a one-square foot area. Use the spade to cut around the square of turf and then lift it out and set it aside. A lesson we learned from Chicago is that you don’t need to go very deep. Preiss may have gone three feet down, but the top of the casque box can’t be more than two feet down. So you would need to dig out – at most – 2 cubic feet of soil beside one tree and 2 cubic feet of soil beside the other. It shouldn’t take more than 30 minutes.
I suppose it would be proper to get permission first, but in this case I honestly wouldn’t bother. This isn’t an archaeological site, like Roanoke or St. Augustine, and it’s not a neatly-maintained public space like in Charleston. East Ravine Road is one long strip of Tree-of-Heaven (a nasty urban weed). As long as you carefully replace the soil from the tarp and then reposition the sod back in place on top, it shouldn’t be visible to anyone that anything even happened. No harm done.
Just do it. Dig tomorrow morning at sunrise and tell us the results by noon. If the casque isn’t there, then we can rule out one theory and move on.

Plum blossoms:
I’m going for some remote type connection:
Nutcracker = Sugar Plum Fairy = purple plum = Fair Folk’s purple amethyst
Nutcracker tool = divider/compass

whats the building at the top of the stairs
and does it have a cornerstone?
and is it a masonic cornerstone?

Sorry, erexere, our flower is a primrose — in keeping with the birth flower theme. And, well,
primroses
.

forest_blight

Sorry, erexere, our flower is a primrose — in keeping with the birth flower theme. And, well,
primroses
.

Oh yes, the primrose has those characteristic notches. Thanks FB.

The next time I go down that way I will stop and grab a picture of the 2, but they both look like recent installations. It would be different if the insignia were in the stone of the lampost, but it’s a plate. Without a photo of it from the 80’s or someone credible to verify, it would be hard to tell if there were insignia’s there or if they were added later. I still pose the question, where does the “Letter from the country…” come in to play on this scenario?

Also I thought about
Step on nature
Cast in copper
What if this just means to cross the bridge over the river. The Milwaukee River like many of the rivers in Wisconsin, is a dark brown almost like a bronze or copper color. So when you cross the bridge you step on nature cast in copper.
Just a thought. More probably in a downtown scenario it refers to a park with a penny fountain or bronze statue.

decibalnyc

I still pose the question, where does the “Letter from the country…” come in to play on this scenario?

Oregonian

If I had to guess, I’d say that BP bought a small, cheap letter “G” at a hardware store and nailed it to the final tree to indicate which tree searchers should use once they spotted the “millstone.” It took him two minutes to do it and, six months later, it took a park maintenance worker two minutes to remove it. And you’ll never find the letter or any evidence it was there or anyone who remembers it being there. So don’t waste your time with it. The casque was (is?) at the southern foot of either the locust or the ailanthus by the millstone.

My response is the same as it was a month ago:

Oregonian

If I had to guess, I’d say that BP bought a small, cheap letter “G” at a hardware store and nailed it to the final tree to indicate which tree searchers should use once they spotted the “millstone.” It took him two minutes to do it and, six months later, it took a park maintenance worker two minutes to remove it. And you’ll never find the letter or any evidence it was there or anyone who remembers it being there. So don’t waste your time with it. The casque was (is?) at the southern foot of either the locust or the ailanthus by the millstone.

You’ve got to be kidding… I’m not trying to discount your work on this, but come on, even you must question that final solution. First off you have to provide a logical solution to the pass 3 and the PTF… at least find a way to confirm the birch tree there. If there is a clump birch, you should be able to pick it out on the overhead map crashdome posted by the shadow. Also I don’t think BP would have picked and arbitrary tree and called it a Proud Tall Fifth, nor would he have affixed something that could be easily removed, there is no evidence of this in Cleveland or Chicago. If you can show me some kind of proof to tie in with that theory, I’ll look deeper, but I’ve asked about that stone and if there were any birch trees near it or anything unusual and the answer from the 80 year old nature expert on the park was “no.” I’m always willing to give the benefit of doubt…look for some evidence.
http://lio.milwaukeecounty.org/arcgis/r … /MapServer

Well, I don’t feel any deep need to convince you, but I think it’s pretty much settled at this point. As I’ve already said several times, I don’t think the final tree needs to be a birch. It just needs to be a tree within close sight of the “millstone.” My money would be on the locust, but it could be the Ailanthus. Furthermore, I’ve never seen anything to suggest that Byron Preiss would know a birch tree if it bit him. He was a city kid from New York. (He may have
thought
he could identify a birch tree, but that doesn’t mean he really could.)
So here are the possibilities:
There is a birch tree on the north side of the trail that we haven’t been able to identify from Google Street View.
There was once a birch tree on the south side of the trail that was cut down soon after 1981.
Preiss thought he was burying the casque by a birch tree but it was actually some other kind of tree.
Preiss never meant the “proud, tall fifth” to be a birch tree in the first place. He just meant a tree.
Option A would be hard to test at this time of year, but it would be easy to resolve in the springtime if someone would just take a dozen photos and post them on Flickr. Options C & D would both lead us to the locust and the Ailanthus, and I think it would be pretty easy to test those theories by digging a one-square-foot hole at the “southern foot” of each tree. Option B is the one that could mess things up. After 30 years, there won’t be any sign of a stump, and that nasty mess of Ailanthus along East Ravine Road will make it very hard to do any exploratory digging.
So I keep coming back to the same conclusion: Start with the easiest solution first. Someone should take a short-handled trenching spade and a short-handled spading fork and go dig some exploratory holes at the southern foot of those two trees.

Maybe the flower in the juggling pattern is meant to be a plum blossom.

The trouble is your “simplest” solution involves BP basically choosing a spot and putting a dig here sign on a tree, rather then carefully crafting his solutions like the others.
Hmmmmm
probably not

thank you, you guys   ;D
sorry guys, those lake park sites i just posted, just disappeared since yesterday

Unknown

Unknown:
he two red balls indicate
february
the time of his sudden
cardio pulmonary
why they are red is
arbitrary
doesn’t really matter to his
beneficiary
it was during his treasure quest
he had a cardiac arrest
i guess it’s true
in the dark, red hot pipes look blue

t
BEAUTIFUL!!! lol…..
I loved it!
And thanks!

Could it be said she is wearing a cowl?

erexere

Could it be said she is wearing a cowl?

VERY interesting.

Its ridiculousness.  I’m never going to known if I’m on the right track or completely deluded.

gManTexas

I don’t see that as being consistent among the verses. What I see is jumbled verses.

What you see is whatever you want to see. What you read is whatever you want to read. What you believe is whatever you want to believe.
That’s the problem

Glossiphoniidae

What you see is whatever you want to see. What you read is whatever you want to read. What you believe is whatever you want to believe.
That’s the problem

I suppose this is why this damn thing is still going after 36 years.

Has anybody looked at the southern foot of Wolcott yet? Would love to see this one dug up!
You pass the par 3 to get to him, and staying west on the trail, you will see a letter “W” and “Country” on his statue. Also, he is a “Brig Gen,” as etched in stone below him… a 1 out of 5 start general (proud tall fifth). There’s even two “Tees” in his name, just like the tee balls on the par 3 (she’s jugglin’ them in the image). The face of the lady can be seen in the lions right there too. You then just have to follow the 100 paces through the ravine and out of the park. Maybe this path is just “juggled” up.

So, we all know how to walk to the 92 steps from Mitchell Hall down Kenwood and Lincoln, but once we go up them, Preiss seems to skip the entire middle section of the park (circled red on the map), and then just give us directions out (pass the compass, below the bridge, etc).
When he gives us the last part (pass three, stay west, letter, country, fifth, foot), they are nowhere to be found.
Maybe he just juggled the verse in parts, and it is describing the walk from the top of the 92 steps, down the Bicentennial Trail (grand 200), passing three (par course), where on the west side of the path you see the letter (W) and the country (Country) on the mantle of the fifth (Wolcott)… Two “T” markers…. get it?
Just juggle the two chunks of the verse to make it read like a straight walk through the park, with directions to dig at the southern foot of Wolcott.
Horse hoof on the southern side?
A place to wait right there?

I like your thinking. I think a lot of the verses are shuffled to make things a bit more difficult.
Not sure why we would receive instructions to leave after finding the casque though.

gManTexas

Not sure why we would receive instructions to leave after finding the casque though.

There is a lot we don’t understand in these puzzles, but this is consistent with the end of the verse in Chicago (seek brush and music – out of the park after leaving) and Cleveland (seek the columns – on the other side of the wall leaving the park), right?

Glossiphoniidae

There is a lot we don’t understand in these puzzles, but this is consistent with the end of the verse in Chicago (seek brush and music – out of the park after leaving) and Cleveland (seek the columns – on the other side of the wall leaving the park), right?

I don’t see that as being consistent among the verses. What I see is jumbled verses.

do anyone see the arrow on the millstone?
what does that mean?

Again, two very close comparisons to the cape’s outline of trees,  I think there are at least two different trees being illustrated, one small partial corner where the cape folds and one occupying the greater interior section,
These two trees are approx 300 feet from eachother, sounds like a possible case for the 100 paces line, but then the they are more than 100 paces from the Kozy monument which is approx 400 feet from the second tree in this series.  I believe both of these are ‘red oaks’.  Also, both trees line up closely with a line drawn from the St. Josephat Basilica and the Tadeus Kosciuszko statue.  A simple geometric motif may be in effect.

When I get back from my vacation in mid Feb, I will take pictures and GPR the area by Ravine Rd. for you. I am going out to take readings in other areas of Lake Park, I will stop by there and do that as well.

If you click on the linked picture it takes you to my other findings that I have posted already. I disagree with you about Chicago as the castle is very clearly an outline of Illinois.
.. and the windmill is Evanston precinct.
I have a couple of Cleveland attempts but have not posted them yet. My favourite discoveries are Boston and Montreal.

I should have said Cook County and not Illinois.
Outlines of these smaller counties or precincts are on Wikipedia or you can type the name into Google Maps and it shows a pink outline.

Focus on the top of her wind-blown cloak.
From the left going right, it looks like a whale’s tail.
From the right going left, it looks like an aircraft of some sort, perhaps a space shuttle or a Concorde.
Conjectures? was Milwaukee connected in some way with Concorde?

Here’s some more pretty good pics of city hall:
http://www.bluffton.edu/~sullivanm/wisc … /koch.html
Now as I’m in Milwaukee I’m biased, but it looks like a match to me

otteriffic

atomicleprechaun, let me know if you have found a probe. I am looking to get one and would gladly come out to look around some more.
I’m still getting up to speed with everything but hope I can be able to lend a hand.

otteriffic, I did in fact get a probe and we are going to go try our first location tonight! Let me know when you plan to come up and we can set up a meet to swap some intel! Feel free to shoot me a pm!

Goodluck!
Is there any theory on why there are 7 objects being juggled? 7th street?

erexere

Goodluck!
Is there any theory on why there are 7 objects being juggled? 7th street?

Do you mean besides the Milwaukee rebus?

I mean, seven items in all. All this talk about the count of moons in P1 got me thinking about this. Aside from the rebus I’ve seen talk of the red balls, but I don’t recall anything prominent about the number of all objects. If this were something like the 5 warts of P5, thought to be a month number, then P10 should be July and birthstone Ruby…which is clearly not the case.
I jumped to the thought of 7th street which I like for one of the boundaries to Kosciuszko Park, but I’d like to know if there were any other preferable interpretations using the 7 count.

My official thoughts on Soil Probes, is that they suck and are useless… I wasn’t even able push mine down a foot, let alone the 3 feet it would take to verify a location. So, either I have to go ahead and dig, or we need to secure a ground penetrating radar machine.
Frustration!

atomicleprechaun, ummm yeah, they suck. GPR is too spendy. I find the best portable alternative that worked for me is an 18v Lith-ion powered Ryobi impact driver or drill using a 3/8″ x 48″ cable drill bit. You’ll be amazed at how well it might work. I linked a short vid clip to the discussion on tools for the job just yesterday.

erexere

I mean, seven items in all. All this talk about the count of moons in P1 got me thinking about this. Aside from the rebus I’ve seen talk of the red balls, but I don’t recall anything prominent about the number of all objects. If this were something like the 5 warts of P5, thought to be a month number, then P10 should be July and birthstone Ruby…which is clearly not the case.
I jumped to the thought of 7th street which I like for one of the boundaries to Kosciuszko Park, but I’d like to know if there were any other preferable interpretations using the 7 count.

How about the bell in her right hand?

Is it a bell, or is it a horse hoof?

erexere

Is there any theory on why there are 7 objects being juggled? 7th street?

3 objects for “Mill-Walk-Key”
1 object for the birthflower
1 object for the birthstone
2 objects to denote month = February
Nothing more than that.

wow good work people! i think i like the tower match.  🙂

And maybe the Earth is flat.
There are those who believe that…

http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/97208334.html

gone for good?

I just wonder if they removed any “birches” during their reconstruction.

Forest, this does look like those “locust shells” we used to hook on
to our clothes. (We called them locusts in NY, too.)
The birdwatchers in Lake Park  refer to “Locust Ravine” where they
walk and take groups on outings.
http://home.wi.rr.com/phunter1/lakeparkbirds.html
Locust Ravine extends off E Locust St. and is North of where we
have been searching.
This link takes you to a map of Lake Park.  You can click on each
location and see a photo.  There are 5 large bridges.
http://www.lakeparkfriends.org/explore.shtml
AP

In the Secret Wiki under the solution to this image, it is mentioned that the below item is believed to be a 17-year locust. After studying this, I don’t think it is, but what it really is isn’t clear either. I took it out of the large image and enhanced the outlines in a couple different ways. To me, it almost looks like a cave entrance, or the opening in a group of trees or a wall–what do you all think? Does this look familiar to those of you who have been to the park?  (Note: the last image is not enhanced or outlined, so you could see that I wasn’t fudging the outlines.)

I suggested locust because it looks kinda like those insect husks we used to pick off of pine trees when I was a kid. We called them “locusts” even though they are more properly called cicadas. Apparently I am not the only one who grew up calling them locusts:
http://www.pbase.com/taylor/cidadas
The shape suggested itself to me even before I noticed there is a Locust St. that intersects with Lake Park. At the very least, it looks like a bug with a large, segmented abdomen.
Some really good images can be seen by searching Google images for “cicada skin.”

“Bad news, gman, goonies and ren: The probe says it’s deeper.” — Mister EZ

Thanks….southern foot (in line with it) vs southernmost (position of the monument)….I see what you’re saying. (I’m dense, but eventually, I get it.)
I haven’t reached out to any of the old Milwaukee searchers, yet, because they’re not as active as they used to be, lurking more often than not since the influx caused by Gate’s show. I don’t want to be just another new guy, pestering them to pick their brains.
However….unless he’s moved, it looks like Shadowrunner (Eric Gasiorowski) lives in my town and teaches at the local JR College. That would be an awesome meeting. (Although, I don’t want to pester him, either.)

Unknown

Unknown:
That’s why I was asking.

Unknown

Unknown:
I don’t see how you’re getting ‘southernmost’ out of two positions that are generally East / West of the statue

Fair enough. But in all honesty, if you are really curious, I’m not the best person to ask about Milwaukee. There are people who post on this board who have a lot more park knowledge than I do, and I will defer to them on the specifics you are asking about. Should be easy enough for you to reach out to them directly, and perhaps even arrange a walk through the park to exchange ideas. At least one is still in the area, to the best of my knowledge.
The wall that bisects the pedestal runs just a few degrees off of true N/S. Since the horse and rider are perpendicular to the wall (and benches), they face just a few degrees south of due east. Which means that one leg (of the rider) is on the north side of the horse, and one leg of the rider is on the south side of the horse. The difference is minimal (about the width of the pedestal) but if you are looking for precision, I suggest you pay attention to the leg (and foot) on the south side. So, like the verse says, the southern foot, not the southernmost part of the monument (including patio) as a whole. Hope that helps.

Mister EZ

Thanks….southern foot (in line with it) vs southernmost (position of the monument)….I see what you’re saying. (I’m dense, but eventually, I get it.)
I haven’t reached out to any of the old Milwaukee searchers, yet, because they’re not as active as they used to be, lurking more often than not since the influx caused by Gate’s show. I don’t want to be just another new guy, pestering them to pick their brains.
However….unless he’s moved, it looks like Shadowrunner (Eric Gasiorowski) lives in my town and teaches at the local JR College. That would be an awesome meeting. (Although, I don’t want to pester him, either.)

I say pester everyone and have a flash mob at Wolcott. Everyone bring a digging utensil and find that casque!

Unknown

Unknown:
I say pester everyone and have a flash mob at Wolcott.

There’s probably a happy middle ground. Just look at what’s happening in San Francisco.

As most of you know, my solve is the Southern foot of the North Point Water Tower.
What I have just added to my solve location is this, …notice how everyone calls her the Juggler in Image 10? I don’t think she’s actually juggling but the reason for all these items to be in a circle around our lady in the Cape is that the shape of these objects represent the round-a-bout that goes around the Water Tower.
The next interesting thing relating to this is the location of the jewel in the Image. If you cover the top half of the buildings in the muted background you can see the shape of the bottom part of the Water Tower. The jewel in Image 10 is located in the shadow of her cape. This indicates the location of the casque at the Southern Foot of the Water Tower.
https://www.theclio.com/web/ul/13669.24168.jpg

Mr. Backstop,
What again is your explanation of:
You’ll see a letter from the country
Of wonderstone’s hearth
On a proud, tall fifth

And if anyone posts this solution, or uses any part of it to bolster their own solution please credit appropriately, as I did Erexere for the Wells St. find

Milwaukee is where the fun is at. I predict it will be the next casque found.
I still think the real reason the word “stories” is used in the first line is literary clue. If Wells is one find, there’s bound to be another writer hint.
Three who lived there is still unsettled in my mind.

Welcome crashdome! Big thank you for all your contribs over the year. Glad you haven’t given up.

crashdome

The streets, the paths, the trees, and most importantly the areas by or near monuments… ALL HAVE CHANGED.

Well I was wondering how you would see the lauriet….without a bridge on wells you would have to walk to state st. and cross there, that would put you in the place where BP took the City Hall shot. You would also see Red Arrow Park, which could also have been the compass, or the MSOE science building, putting the treasure grounds at Cathedral Square Park. As I said before this solution could use some more work.

This is why I get frustrated with some of the solutions. There is nothing confirming for certain the laureate (sp?) is even a clue. Sure the hair looks similar but it’s not even the right shape exactly. When I first saw that, I thought it was an M. Very similar to the Brewer’s logo of days past with the Wi in the hair next to it. I think trying to shoe-horn certain items into the solution is the wrong approach.

This image reminds me of cricket; the red balls, and shapes in the cloak that remind me of bails.
The castle in the distance resembles image 5
…and the figure too; like an older and sadder version, with blue cap
…and decorative ruff…
The juggling makes me think
cascade
, or waterfall.
…goes with the millstone. (cf image 5 again.)

Egbert

The metal inside looks like a thin allen wrench. The bottom part of the key was originally coated in ceramic, but the Cleveland casque and key were in pieces. Not sure if ceramic coating obscures the metal detection. That is good news if you can detect it. That is also strange news. I would think that with all of the precautions that BP took, wouldn’t he make the casque immune from metal detectors? Hmmm.

hi Egbert, BP prob thought he had taken precautions against the use of an Md, as it was a very small piece of
iron, and about 3ft down, in 1980s the tech for Mds at that time wouldnt have been able to find it, here a link
to an article about the Md tech then
im just finding out that the key was iron about the size of a allen key,so there are numerous Md now that can detect
at that depth and size of that piece of metal, in all metal mode, just one prob though,if there are several pieces of
iron big or small, above the box, you would have to dig those 1st,then keep checking hole
http://www.bowenshideout.com/items.php?cat_id=1

Some 1881 links with Milwaukee & primroses, while I remember them. (Different image, but things tend to recur, so here they are anyways.)
Benjain Disraeli
died, British prime minister associated with primroses and the
Primrose League
.
Birth of
Daniel Hoan
, Milwaukee mayor.
Big
snowstorm
that year.
Marquette University
founded. (Someone compared the figure to
Joan of Arc
.)
Artistic style is maybe Pre-Raphaelite; eg Rossetti. (That’s Joan on the left. I think his wife modelled most of his paintings.)
On millstones:
And a certain woman cast a piece of a millstone upon Abimelech’s head, and all to brake his skull.
(Judges)
Elizabeth Cady Stanton
mentions millstones and Joan of Arc. Suffrage. The
48ers
.
He was a doughty soldier, but when it came to the intellectuals–when it came to delicate chicane, and scheming, and trickery–he couldn’t see any further through a millstone than another. So he burst out in his frank warrior fashion, and swore that the King of England was being treacherously used, and that Joan of Arc was going to be allowed to cheat the stake.
Twain – “Personal reflections of Joan of Arc”

WhiteRabbit,
Your pictures of the ladies are very pretty, but…
Here is a comparison of the face in image 10 to the face of the lion statue
on the bridge pediment at Milwaukee’s Lake Park.
What do you think?
AP

See you in another life, brother.

Thinking that the City Hall is the basis for the image being oriented as a south facing perspective, I think the tree in the cape (whether a real tree or not) is designed to show us a placement of the jewel at it’s southern foot. Here’s my
Link
.

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Egbert

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“I found a casque and now I’m a troll because,”
A) auto-ignorance makes me happy
B) you can be like me if you just believe
C) I once had a heart, but now I’m a tinman
D) pater est quem nuptiae demonstrant
E) I’m trapped in a bunker with Kelvin

decibalnyc

This is a revised version of the post from last night. I have a little more time this morning to elaborate.
View the three stories of Mitchell – Mitchell Mansion (now the Wisconsin Club)
From the rear you can see this….
https://www.dropbox.com/s/tytindkcfljt3gt/MitchellMansionBack.jpg?dl=0
As you walk the beating of the world – This one Erexere figured out, referencing H.G. Wells “War of the worlds” – Walk down Wells St. The street you happen to be on while able to view this pattern from the Image. But which way do we walk…

The W Wells St. side of the Wisconsin Club is the best fit for the pattern on the woman’s collar, IMHO.
http://s11.photobucket.com/user/erexere … x.png.html

The talk lately about geometry in the images had me wondering how it would apply to my theory in image 10.
I noticed the woman’s eye looks like it’s peering into the direction of the center of the mill stone. In terms of my theory about the Plankington rotunda, a thing which is round with a wishing well and statue in its center, I felt that was a good point of reference for applying the compass. Taking a heading at 200-degrees from there plots a course to a point which leads us approx. 100 paces southeast to the entrance of Kosciuszko Park.
I may have to reconsider some reference points, but it all roughly comes to the same conclusion. The line from the mill stone to jewel fits the line from rotunda to park.

WhiteRabbit

But wait…isn’t that plexiglass…? I think so.

Not sure….but, taking some measurements after printing out the image, you can see that there’s 1 hole and it’s
35mm wide……82 ft deep.
Latitude and longitude for Antarctica is 82° lat, 135° long.
And, I once saw a movie where a deep hole in the ice had Aliens at the bottom of the hole. Another where Christian Bale found dragons in a similar hole, but no ice. Therefore, it can’t be recovered….because….well….there are Aliens and dragons.
Rwar.

….and now, it’s 31° (feels like 14°), sleeting with about 0.5″ of ice and snow on the ground.
1) It’s a good thing that whoever dug 4 holes behind Erastus was able to do it before this crapola hit.
2) I hate this type of weather… no way I’m heading to Antarctica to probe for image 9.

we had that here too (Niagara Falls)…prob in MTL as well I’m guessing.

MrSeabass

You’re missing out…

I know…

Mister EZ

I hate this type of weather… no way I’m heading to Antarctica to probe for image 9

But wait…isn’t that plexiglass…? I think so.

Just a bit of North Point Water Tower trivia. I went to see this back in 1985.
An artist created this dragon sculpture and was allowed to hang it on the Tower for a few weeks.
Of course I did not know anything about the Secret at that time…drat!

gManTexas

I took some video while I was in Lake Park in Milwaukee. Here is a link to my walk around the Lion Bridges and North Point Light House area on 11 April 2018. This footage is from a GoPro camera strapped to my chest, and it is slightly bumpy from me walking, but It gives a decent wide angle view of what is there.
You’ll notice that the light house ravines have pretty steep slopes and generally rough terrain. It is difficult to imagine anything being buried on these slopes.
The video is 3.33 GB and 36:34 long. I also removed the sound since there wasn’t anything interesting there.
Enjoy! More to come.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1aTN21O … sp=sharing

Here is the video from the full walk through, minus Mitchell Hall. I started it at the first bridge.
The video is 5.5 GB and 60 minutes long.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/19qoxS0 … sp=sharing

slappybuns

that little notch in the cloak

I reversed the cape pic previously, but if it was left unreversed, the notch could be the junction with Lincoln Memorial Drive by the south bridge shown above. (I like the similarity of the narrow neck at the bottom, and that triangular southern tail.)
(If you reached the open road, that three you pass could be anything…buildings, turnings…might put the gem in this area, or somewhere else away from the park.)
(Don’t suppose there are birches near that junction…?)

Shape in cape…?
I was looking for a suggestion of the shape of the bridge, and wondered about the key…
Perhaps you could say that the glowing face is the lighthouse, and the red ball to the north represents the golf course. (Just brainstorming.)
The rocky outline that cuts across the middle of the key could represent the ravine.
* * * * *
If the verse as far as “pass the compass” and “below the bridge” led to the trail under the south lion bridge, how far would 100 paces southeast actually get you…? Would it get you to a point right of a lion, or the road…?
(Perhaps the foot of the culvert below the bridge could possibly mean south of the bridge; below on a map; rather than literally underneath.)

Oregonian

So would someone go dig the damn thing up already? A lesson we learned from Chicago is that you don’t need to go very deep. Preiss may have gone three feet down, but the top of the casque box can’t be more than two feet down. So you would need to dig out – at most – 2 cubic feet of soil beside one tree and 2 cubic feet of soil beside the other. It shouldn’t take more than 30 minutes.
I suppose it would be proper to get permission first, but in this case I honestly wouldn’t bother.

Seriously this tells me you haven’t actually been out digging yourself.
Firstly, Byron Priess was actually there when they dug up the chicago casque, and they dug a huge hole and still nearly missed finding it.
Secondly I can’t believe you are actually suggesting people go out and dig without getting permission first. Assuming you’re wrong, and they don’t find the casque, those actions could poison further digging in the area for everybody else.

Oregonian

[*]
Preiss included some obscure architectural design features, even if they weren’t that close to the treasure spot.
The pattern from the Carson, Pirie, Scott and Company Building in Chicago is analogous to the pattern from the parking garage in Milwaukee. Neither one is a nearby clue or even a step along the way. They’re both just patterns that caught his eye.

That is a huge and probably incorrect assumption on your part, The pattern from the building definitely was on that building however we have no idea what motifs were on many of the buildings along michigan that have since been torn down or renovated, and that motif made by that architecture firm could have been elsewhere.
for instance here is a similar motif on Michigan, right above the M from M&B set in stone.

Oregonian

[*]
All of these downtown details, iconic and obscure, do not form a path.
Preiss was just throwing in fun bits of design. That circular pattern from the Carson, Pirie, Scott and Company Building doesn’t mean that you need to walk anywhere near it to find the casque.

And yet if you go to the Water tower, and follow the road in front of it in the direction the person is looking in the image the first park you come to is grant park
and if you go to the Terminal Building and you follow the road in front of it in the direction the figure in the painting is looking the first park you come to is the one with the casque.
you are correct some images are location confirmations and do not relate to the path, but the paths in Chicago and Cleveland are actually pretty obvious.

I was at Lake park twice this last week, and will probably head there again tomorrow. One thing I discovered on my last trip there was the stump of a birch tree along the trail that winds under the bridge, it’s close to the top of the second set of stairs. I’ve been doing some reading on Lake Park trees lately, and found out that Lake Park is home to several “Champion” trees – trees that are the largest of there species in the state. Some of these trees are marked with plaques. Another discovery is that the stairs on the trail that goes up from the bottom of Ravine Rd to the top of the ravine near the bridge number 90, although some stairs have a lot of dirt built up around them so I may have miscounted by a few numbers, putting that staircase also within range of the staircase in the verse.

This one isn’t THE lamppost being discussed, but it is one of them. There are a lot of these lampposts throughout the park.
Another shot of the Millstone
A shot of the Ailanthus stump
The distance between the two

Deuce, that’s a really nice pic of that rock.  It reminds me of the reddish base of the Kozy monument,

Not sure anyone posted this.  A recent article on the Milwaukee treasure!
http://urbanmilwaukee.com/2013/10/07/milwaukees-secret-treasure/

Nice. Too bad he didn’t leave this website for anyone who caught the bug after reading this article.
Maybe we should contact newspaper offices in the other cities we are pretty much sure of and stir up some local intrigue.

I always was a fan of the Solomon Juneau statue area for this one. I believe the dig site was at the foot of a tree south of the statue. However, when I went to Milwaukee to check that area I found that the trees were removed and new ones planted. There’s a plaque in the ground telling of the new trees. I forget the exact date but after 1983 for sure. I probed the ground but found nothing by the new trees. Just to be complete I probed the area just south of the statue base. My first try hit something about two feet down. So I tried a foot in each direction as well to possibly narrow the size down and found that there’s underground concrete about two feet wide all along the base which is what I hit. Then I checked the whole area south of the statue and got nothing. If it was near one of the old trees then I fear that it more than likely dug up in the removal. If this guy has a GPR then it would definitely help if it’s still there. The only downside to this area is that it’s wide open. There are constant walkers and joggers passing by which made for strange looks while probing. I got permission through a couple emails so it’s not impossible to probe areas as this guy stated. I do wish I had checked near the large stone at the south of the park. I saw it and even took pics but didn’t get that close. I regret it now because it’s in a nice little nook surrounded by tall grass and trees not to mention a bridge which would give nice cover for burying or digging up. I’m not sure though if that’s the stone that had the sword in it but I’m gonna look into that area.
I never did post all of my pics because there wasn’t much that isn’t out there already. But here’s the stone and also a good shot of the flag pole, both at the southern end of the park.

New to quest. Team Meaner Simikkles wants to know why everyone says the gem on this image is an amethyst when it is LIGHT BLUE in color, NOT purple. It looks like a blue topaz or aquamarine to us. Would it matter if it was a different gem?
“We may not be first, but at least we are not last!”

cormac, that site doesn’t work for me, would you try again?

Unknown

Unknown:
It’s trying to go somewhere, that’s the problem!

What if you weren’t? What if you were content to drive around in circles endlessly? What would that look like?
Yeah, pretty much just like this.

MrBackstop

I have no idea what you’re talking about. This is where my solve took me, it fits the Image and Verse.

OK, sorry, let me start again.
I don’t believe that a water tower with five turrents could be described as a “proud fifth”. That makes no sense. A fifth isn’t five of something; it’s one of five.

WhiteRabbit

OK, sorry, let me start again.
I don’t believe that a water tower with five turrents could be described as a “proud fifth”. That makes no sense. A fifth isn’t five of something; it’s one of five.

That’s cause he’s not trying to make sense.

Y’know, I take it all back. Anything is possible.

MrBackstop

You’ll see a letter from the country
– There is a letter “M” at the top of the tower on all 4 sides. Of course this stands for Milwaukee but is also a letter in the middle of the Country represented, GERMANY.
Of wonderstone’s hearth
– This is in reference to the North Point Water Tower. It is carved out of some stone with a very rough texture. This is the wonderstone. The hearth is the actual Water Tower itself which acts like a chimney ( hearth ).
MrBackstop

This is where you lost me: Are you saying the letter M represents Germany?
Rough stone = wonderstone?
I liked the solve up until this point

Unknown

Unknown:
Anything is possible.

True. But around here, it’s better to deal in the probable. And the most likely explanation for what is going on is that the Forum is being trolled.

gManTexas

Not much, but the arch could have been inspiration for JJP.

True…then again, so could
these
…

WhiteRabbit

There is a growing tendency on this forum for people to pick places they like and then find extremely unlikely and desperate verse interpretetations to make it fit.
(Well, heck, maybe we always did that. But I can tell you there’s no mileage in it.)

I have no idea what you’re talking about. This is where my solve took me, it fits the Image and Verse.

How do we orient this image?  If you stand at the intersection of State and Water you can face south at cityhall and see the dual spires at equal height and in the same view as image 10.  Now which direction?

I was just filtering out which indicators have rotations and why it might be justified.  Given that BP took photos, most images would be presented with non-rotation.  There might be exceptions, park maps aren’t always made with North pointing up on the page for instance.  Also, I think I have mixed up to similar looking trees.  Tough to judge from google and bing street views.  Someone will have better luck going there in person.
I’m hoping juggling might be an indicator for using a rotation.  Here are 90 degrees rotated left with respect to image10.  The park sign looks like the shapes to the left and right sides of the background of image10.  The cape has a tree-like impression that looks like it has four major trunk limbs.
Here’s another tree nearby,

Just going to drop this here today. I’ve been working on various pages in the book to find other clues. Here is what I came up with for Milwaukee thus far.
Let me know if you see any other clues. There could be more for Milwaukee or other cities as well.

Hello,
I am new to this forum, but not new to the search. My focus has been on a different city/verse/picture, but I did notice something after looking at this image and watching the travel channel episode.
This may have been mentioned before, and may mean nothing and is unrelated to the solution. But, I noticed that the city was selected by the objects that were being juggled.
Mill
Walk
Key
It does seem that the other words are related to each other as well.
Mill(STONE)
Walking (STICK)
(SKELETON) Key
Sticks and stones and bones? Reminds me of a childhood saying.
Again, possibly already stated (if so, I apologize), possibly unrelated, but I thought I would share the thought. Best of luck to those searching for this casque.

JoshCornell

JUST GOT THE SILENTLY PLAYING CLUE….so good…so hard.

I assumed that SILENTLY PLAYING referred to going passed the lawn bowling club. Is that what you got Josh?

forest_blight – I also did the same research, and I think you are right… it may have been used as a visual source for the painting. does anyone have JPP’s e-mail address? We could write and ask him.
erexere – the flickr pics are up, just click on the link. Also the park is the India-America Friendship park (rather than native american Indian), and yes I am working solo on this project, but I wouldn’t be apposed to meeting up with some people and conspiring in person to find the Casque. Also, I have read many of your theory’s while combing the boards, and I think some of them could be on to something, I am simply building my own theory out of pieces of others work for now. In fact your post of the juggler book-cover lead me to search for the Indian girl painting that I found recently.
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***More importantly though – I think that the brick texture on the Wisconsin club points directly to it as a starting point. I think it needs to be assumed that we work from there and orient the rest of the clues accordingly.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/scallywagphoto/14437257378/in/set-72157645709486983

I apologize, but some of this info may be a bit of a re-post from one a few days ago that didn’t go up until I contacted Mark. Everything seems to be working now, but I wanted all of my thoughts in one place so no-one missed anything.
I have included a link to a flickr album that has images that relate to our hunt on it.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/scallywagphoto/sets/72157645709486983/
I think wk actually has a point about overlays. I have looked at the artwork for this casque extensively and being an artist myself have seen a lot of choices that were made in terms of lines and angles that are very purposeful and not by accident. I have also experimented with overlays with some limited success, but I am nearly certain that there is a map hidden in the image in one form or another. I am most curious as to why certain areas are glowing blue and others are not. Also, I noticed in the bing maps photo that the historical society from the top looks an awful lot like a harpsichord (there is an image of one up on flickr for comparison, though I am not sure if this has any significance)
Also, after checking with the Milwaukee historical society, I am sad to report that the Pere Marquette statue was originally in Ziegler Park and was removed in the 1960’s cast in bronze and not replaced in Pere Marquette Park until 1987, so the statue at least has nothing to do with our search. However while out jaunting around I also paid a visit to the Wisconsin club and made a rather exciting find. The bricks on the back of the structure create a pattern that matches the woman’s gold neckline exactly (See flickr). So I think this points pretty specifically to the old Mitchel household for the first part of the verse as I said before. Likewise, The park across the street from the Wisconsin club, behind the courthouse is called the India-America friendship park (which normally I would have paid no mind to), but when I googled after getting home I found a painting of an Indian female juggler clad in blue with red balls that nearly matches the image from the book, only it is inverted (see flickr).
One the flickr page I have also included images that show the “grand staircase” at the lakefront changing significantly over the years (hence having a changed number of steps) and an image of the stairs in the arcade of the grand ave mall (which I have no idea how many steps it has. I counted city halls steps the other day and the ones that were publicly accessible counted 203 I believe – so no match there. I have yet to count the courthouse steps.
Comments?

I look forward to looking over your flickr pics! I have a feeling Native American tie-ins will play a role in some of these puzzles. Lots of step counting has been reported by at least half a dozen serious seekers. Have you been in contact with any other local seekers or are you doing all solo? There were some respectable attempts to comb the city for clues by a few users at SomethingAwful.
I recall crashdome had some great results. He verified the exact count of young birch trees in Kosciuszco Park on the west side but then failed to comment on the conclusion that the number of birch trees may be four and not five. If we look at the verse in an unassuming way, the first young birch, followed by three more staying on the west side, and then seeing a letter from the country on a proud tall fifth, we may conclude that it isnt certain that the fifth thing is a fifth because its a birch or if its some other kind of “fifth”. The tall decorated statue of the military hero Thaddeus Kosciuszko, also whom was known for having wrote a piece of harpsichord music, and had the rank of 1-star General (a person may have up to 5-stars). I’ve spouted this idea numerous times, but I havent been able to convince anyone that 1 of 5 things may also be called a “fifth”. I explored this potential for sometime without knowing exactly how many birches existed in the park, how old those trees might be, whether the statue was always in that spot, and most significantly how could we end up nearly 3 miles from the city hall and Wisconsin Club area where the immediate visual clues seem most significant. I adapted my theory by using a draft compass to draw an arc-line or “passing a compass” based on centering at a set of four stairs in counting 23 each (4×23=92)in a circle around a fountain with the distance set to a league (old world distance measure of about 3 miles, the distance a person walks in one hour: at a distance in time). I can go on.
Ive never seen a response to my theory other than an “I dont think so,” folowed by lurker silence. If there are simple factual details to investigate as a precursor to building a valid approach then I see no reason to dismiss Kosciuszko. Are the trees old enough to have been “young” in 1982? Yes. Are there 4 followed by a 1-star General statue? Yes. Is there a logical reason to use an actual compass? Yes. Etc.

That juggler pic is intriguing. I wonder if JJP was inspired by it? In case it matters, I did a little research and found that it was painted by Raja Ravi Varma (1848-1906).

I’m in Milwaukee right now and will be for the next 2 days specifically looking for anything that will start confirming a verse or other objects in the picture.  So far after alot of walking–and a short break for some really good beer–we have not found anything substantial.  The City Hall is covered with scaffolding and undergoing renovation for the next three years.  So the best view of this building will be Varin’s original picures.  However, seeing it in person is better than the pictures.  There is a prominent archway beneath the tallest of the two spires, whcih can be seen if you put yourself in the same perspective as P10.  This may be the archway that is hinted at in P10 and is located in the right bottom area of the building—maybe not the insect comparison–I’ve seen on this board–although that was definitely thinking outside the box.  I’ve scoped out Mitchell mansion, now the Wisconsin Club–three story building with a 4 story tower–V8 doesn’t fit, it locked by concrete in one form or another and the grouds are not that big, have no stairs and are void of any birch trees.  I’ve checked out Mitchell Hall, three story UWM campus building on Kenwood, nothing special, walked all around the neighborhoods there.  There is no synagogues around, at least none clearly marked (there is one building I’m going to check out more tomorrow on Lincoln Memorial Drive–The Wisconsin Institue of Torah Study).  Found Alfred Bader’s home (possible keeper of the Harpsicord player) has nice windows on his home, but BP would have had to get up close to his house and peep in some of those windows to catch a glimpse of it, if it ever hung in his home. Doubtful.  Whether you take Linwood, Locust, Kenwood toward the lake and into Lake Park (no sign cast in copper–maybe gone now)  this is not official entrance, just foot paths from the neighborhood.  If you follow those paths toward the front of the park where the Grand Staircase is you will find that you are looking down on the staircase, meaning you are above them already–no climbing to be done.  Now Kenwood does loop around and becomes Lincoln Memorial Drive –if driven–would take you to the bottom of the stairs and then climbing and ascending would be in order.  Have yet to check out the Lighthouse (North Point Lighthouse–the compass) and move on from there, got dark.  But not much is saying–yes, you’re in the right place yet. Or yes–you’ve got the right verse.  But also I haven’t seen anything that tells me its another verse either.  I’ve always had a pet theory that the three stories of Mitchell may refer to the Mitchell Domes, especially due to the dome looking structure hidden in the woman’s hair in P10, never looked like the skyline to me.  Three Domes, three stories.  Very unique to Milwaukee and would have been in most tourist/travel books available for searching and working on this puzzle back in 1982, since there was no internet then.  Its close to the airport– would have been just a quick in and out for a guy needing to bury 12 casques in a month’s time and on the move.  Having fun–wish you were here–more later.

Unknown

Unknown:
I just figured out a clue in this picture.  The top of her cloak appears to be the trunk of a tree turned sideways.  The base of the tree is on the right, and the top of the trunk is on the left.  There is even a knothole in the middle.  This could be the tree next to which the treasure is buried.

If this is correct, then the trees we found do look like this, with grayish-vertically fissured-rough looking bark.

Yes Designer…welcome to the hunt.  Your confirmation on the Towers are just what we needed to nail this one down……
thanks

Mister EZ

“Bad news, gman, goonies and ren: The probe says it’s deeper.” — Mister EZ

I bet BP got super sauced on Pabst Blue Ribbon and didn’t know when to stop digging!

ill actually be there very soon.

Here is a link to some 1987 photos of Lake Park.
https://www.loc.gov/item/wi0185/

Good luck loph,
hopefully when you return, I can say ” 3 down, 9 to go”

fox,
yah, Copely square and the BPL are VERY high on my list of places to visit.  theres that church in copely square and the hancock building which looks green in every picture ive seen of it.  and there is still something about the library thats drawing me to it.  also the Museum of Fine Arts.  i leave wednesday morning, so i’ll be frantically trying to find more confirming clues and places to visit.  i will have internet access once im there, so i’ll be checking in, and if i find anything i’ll be sure to let you all know.  i have a digital camera so i’ll find one of those journal websites to post pictures on.

Why is that woman looking over her left shoulder?  Preiss did the left shoulder thing with Lincoln in Chicago also.

Yeah, there’s a kind of echo in the Boston fairy she’s looking across at. As well as: “Beyond his shoulder”, it also reminds me of the line from verse 1 – “Looking back from treasure”. Neither verse is thought to be related to these images, but matching the right ones up is a significant part of the puzzle. Maybe things like this are designed to draw you in. Or maybe it’s just the human affinity for pattern matching.
The most likely explanation of this profile view so far is the Girl Scouts logo which appears (or used to appear) on certain trees in Milwaukee’s Lake Park to mark a walking trail. There’s also a possible resemblance between the figure and the lions on the lion bridges here.
There’s a lot to read on Milwaukee, in several different threads. Like several other trails on this forum, it got infuriatingly close. This one is pretty difficult because the verse seems to refers to trees which may not be there any more. There are some confusing things about it, though.

i like this puzzle accounting for the inclusion of scandinavia, in the sense you just posted…but its def not the country of wonderstone’s hearst…

Mister EZ

And yeah….Scandinavia, which covers multiple countries.
In your proposal, based on the map in the book and the text in the book, you’re specifically referring to Norway and it’s alphabet….right?

Correct, I was referring to Norway and its alphabet. My use of Scandanavia was shorthand for a group of countries with a mostly shared alphabet. I should have been more precise. Also, I’m not suggesting this changes the immigration reference country – Germany. Nor does it really make Scandia ‘part of this puzzle.’ But it is part of the book and the underlying story. And happens to provide a way to resolve what this line means rather neatly. We may be looking for a letter from that region. Whether or not the EBW monument provides that letter is a related, but separate question entirely. It might be the right verse interpretation but the letter might be elsewhere.

Hi – first post over here. I’m usually over on “The Site that Shall Not Be Named”…
@JM, fan of the podcast and just listened to the Milwaukee episode. You talked about the Erastus B. Wolcott monument and its possible link to the “Letter from the country” line. I’m inclined to agree but have an alternate theory as to how. You may be right that the very prominent use of the word ‘country’ on the monument ties it in, but I’m thinking it’s in a general “pay attention to me, this line is about me” sort of way. Here’s my take on how there’s a deeper connection also. Not much of this is new info, I realize. Apologies if exact theory has been posted before:
You’ll see a letter from the country – Of wonderstone’s hearth
From page 30:
“With these original emigres went the Fair People’s treasure: the wonderstones of their Litany, encased and protected in treasure casques fashioned by the Nordic Elves…” So a wonderstone is a reference to the jewel. One of the definitions of Hearth is a symbolic reference to one’s home. A wonderstone’s home is the casque – that’s where they live. Which were made by the Nordic Elves.
So instead of a reference to the immigration link country – Germany. We may be looking for a letter from Scandinavia. Putting aside old runes for a moment. And assuming its not any old letter, but something that would stand out – we may be looking for a letter like one of these:
http://thesecret.pbworks.com/w/file/125 … phabet.jpg
The letters you mentioned being on the left/south footing on the monument are E, B & W. (His initials). Using a little imagination, you may be able to make either the AE or A with the loop on top from the inscription.
http://thesecret.pbworks.com/w/file/126 … ption2.JPG
Which might also fit with the next line if the fifth is a one-star/brigadeer general. The interpretation is not perfect and I’m not saying it’s the correct one. Just throwing it out there for consideration/discussion. Any thoughts?

its not scandinavia, the answer is readily available though. ill release it after i go there in about a week.

Kang…!
And yeah….Scandinavia, which covers multiple countries.
In your proposal, based on the map in the book and the text in the book, you’re specifically referring to Norway and it’s alphabet….right?

why not denmark?!

JoshCornell

…..the country of wonderstone’s
hearst
…

Ah….using that other guy’s ‘change words at random because the book had typos’ strategy, huh?
wOoT!
http://www.hearst.com/

The map on page 10 points inbetween Norway and Sweden as ‘Scandia’, home of the elves who made the casques…closer to Norway, imho. And, the Swedish Alphabet doesn’t contain the AE. (Does contain the °A.)
Denmark is further South.
But yes, the Danish Alphabet does have both letters….

https://mki.wisc.edu/content/ethnic-gro … background
And….scroll down to ‘Scandinavians in Wisconsin’.
“Norwegians were the earliest and most numerous of the Scandinavian peoples to settle in Wisconsin”
Yup….there were Dane’s.
But, the Norwegians outnumbered them….second only to Germans as foreign born immigrants to the state.

OK back to business….
Have you all seen how JJP used overhead maps to craft his images….

Sorry. Im still developing the thought. I have that 1976 bicentennial notion about George Washington being upgraded from a 3 star general to a 5 star general of the armies.

Erexere….Look at the founding of Milwaukee.

Im aware. I just feel theres something tricky about the line.

My interpretation is
At a distance in time – Many years ago
From Three who lived there – When the city was young and there were 3 settlements they all met at 1 place, the river junction. So as you walk across the river, you immediately see the pattern, city hall, the riverwalk…this is right after you walk right past the Germania building just west of the river.
Its basically a direction…walk towards the river.
You are entering the arts district, right east of the museum district and the courthouse where you came from. This is where the next line, which I feel is more tricky, comes into play. There is a music reference and you are right in the middle of the arts district…3 or 4 large theaters, an outdoor music pavilion, riverwalk etc…
If you don’t walk East towards the river junctions, you wouldn’t get to the next clue. Also in 1980 there was an national expose done on Milwaukee where they talk about that.