Unknown

Unknown:
I’ve actually already looked into them… they are of the Mothers’ Rest house and park – not the same Mothers’ Rest.

Wait… there’s
another
Mothers’ Rest? In Boston?

forest_blight

Wait… there’s
another
Mothers’ Rest? In Boston?

yes… it’s also on the T line. this is what makes me think that i was the only one searching. don’t get all bent outta shape when you discover the other park’s configuration either.

WR, I consider the dress to be Celtic.  The falcon was known as a hunting bird for princes.  Crossing over to a Mythology reference, the Goddess of the Hunt is Diana (Roman) or Artemis (Greek) and Abnoba (Celtic), which represent Lunar deities.  This maintains my attention on Moon relatable elements.  The 2C’s look very representative of moons as they are partial circles.

Okay, I give up — where is the other Mothers Rest? I can’t find it on a map or on Google.

forest_blight

Okay, I give up — where is the other Mothers Rest? I can’t find it on a map or on Google.

the pic should provide enough info for you to find it. this is one of a few “mothers rests” in the boston area, as mothers rest parks were just that – a place for mothers to stop and rest. and yes… it is on washington st. and yes… you can face the water with your back to the stairs.

Interesting! Looks like a fairly new park, at least the concrete circles are new. Wasn’t much of anything there until 2005 according to Google Earth. Have you checked into the other “Mother’s Rest” parks?

Fabulous…good luck 421.

Thanks for those… Though it was my understanding that black falcon terminal was not around yet when the book was published…

Also meant to say earlier that I wonder if that is a replacement railing on the stairs as I would not really call it “ornate.”

I will take a look thrasher to see if I can find anything about the building.
I did look closer at Leif’s snake and compared it to our lady’s vines:
It is definitely similar, but I feel like it is such an obscure clue that they would make it a closer match if they really were using it. Again, I would be happy to be wrong.
One thing — since this and many other potential sites in the Boston area seem to have playgrounds, it would be interesting to see if any of them had any of these letter animals. They seemed to have been in many of the parks throughout the area. See the comments on this blog post:
http://www.universalhub.com/node/1620
. These could be “all the letters” and maybe even Thucydides (T Turtle) and Xenophon (X Fox) — OK maybe now I am spouting radical theories
Anyway would be good to find a list of all the playground sites that had these… looks like most are gone now…

Librarian, good points.  I like that logic about something obscure may as well be an exact match, which is a foundation point for the two found casques.  I think the squiggles are styled like that of the Leif for a specific reason.  I don’t know what that is exactly but it looks like the squares in it’s background are roughly describing a three block area.  An area where there are curving and intersecting paths?  Looks very much like its a a park setting.

Unknown

Unknown:
Nearing the Boston Conservatory of Music, bear left at the fork to dip to a playground called “Mother’s Rest,” brilliantly designed as an escape from the city above. From this enclave, climb steps
decorated with an ornate handrail
to return to street level.

Nothing on that building yet.
I did find this interesting quote in a guide book though:
I got all excited expecting to see our squiggles in the hand rail. No such luck, though the undulating railing does bear some similarity to the shadows on her neck…
Also I noticed this shape in an image of the area — it looks like some kind of border/frame. I can’t tell if it is a square or a pentagon
If it was a pentagon, we could take “feel at home” to mean literally feel (i.e. dig) at figurative “home” (i.e. the pentagon “home plate” shape). Of course, we are using the feel at home already to explain “mother’s rest.”
I still feel like this is all wild speculation and we need way more positive matches with the image first. There is so much iconography in the image that is unexplained: the dome and leg shapes at the opening of her sleeve. The words on either arm (amor? and hour?). The shapes in her hair (piers? skyline?). The spheres, the falcon, the shape outlined inside the falcon (shape of a park or of a body of water?) etc, etc.
I feel like some of those things need to snap into place before we can settle in on a location and start interpreting the verse.

librarian

I feel like some of those things need to snap into place before we can settle in on a location

After 30 years, if they ain’t snapped yet, they never will.

librarian

Nothing on that building yet.
I still feel like this is all wild speculation and we need way more positive matches with the image first. There is so much iconography in the image that is unexplained: the dome and leg shapes at the opening of her sleeve. The words on either arm (amor? and hour?). The shapes in her hair (piers? skyline?). The spheres, the falcon, the shape outlined inside the falcon (shape of a park or of a body of water?) etc, etc.

The border/frame is nothing more than rubbish that is piled up from the flooding of the river.
Have a look at Patriotism and his hat, and the “leg” and “home plate” may ring a bell. It did for me anyways. The falcon and his claw, I believe, represents Black Falcon Terminal. I always thought the shapes in her hair were either the Arthur Fielder head, or O’Reilly’s bust on side of the monument facing the street. The strange lines above the flower, if flipped, greatly resemble the monument in my eyes.
One thing that has always comforted me when I am overwhelmed by the shapes and designs is that, in the Chicago and Cleveland solves, there were many peculiar shapes and designs within the images that had nothing to do with the solves. I recognize that many will dispute that statement, however.
Overall, though, I agree – There are no matches in this image as of yet that compete with those of Cleveland or Chicago.

In the “pp.20-21” thread, Fox and Shawn point out that the globes/circles in the pic add up to 8 (if you count the window), so that gives us August.  That’s fine — then the flower is a gladiolus, as I thought.  How about the gem, though?  For anyone who has the book — is the gem an olive color?  It needs to be a Peridot, for this to be our “Italian” picture.
The bird has to be a clue — anyone know what type it is?  Or perhaps it is from a famous painting?
The markings on the stone around the window are very faint — would anyone who has the book be able to make out what they are?  I don’t see any other clues in the picture.

In the book, the gem is definitely a green colored gem.

I’ve suggested several possibilities…eg, 1881 plaque in Rue Drummond as a crossover confirmer…unidentified numbers in Image 7 possibly relating to things like McDonough schools…45 in the Charleston lion’s mane from the war memorial…an 11 in Image 6 (FOY street number)…another street number (1204) on the Charleston clock…

WhiteRabbit

Re: the 5; it’s the light outline, just to the left of the other digits; same colour, the right way up, top left of the image.

I see it now… thanks for the good description. I remember it being pointed out and think I even stated it was a great find. I, too, agree that it would not be unlikely for this sort of clue to be hidden, but do any of the other pics incorporate numbers to suggest anything other than coordinates (I can’t recall)? Not that an answer of “No,” would exclude it being true for this image. I still can’t verify if this was the zip of the area in ’82. Have you been able to? I have been able to verify that 1122 was the MSA for the zip in the 80’s. It changed in the 90’s.

In image 11 just above the “zero” of your 11220 is a dark mark which could be where the 2C is located. That is, if you imagine the cracks or joints in the stone as roads. I zoomed in and there is a fine light brown line where the steps are.

Glossiphoniidae

…do any of the other pics incorporate numbers to suggest anything other than coordinates…

You know perfectly well that only two have been solved, and that the finders of the first one didn’t even understand most of it. Bit premature to exclude other possibilities methinks.

WhiteRabbit

You know perfectly well that only two have been solved, and that the finders of the first one didn’t even understand most of it. Bit premature to exclude other possibilities methinks.

I meant all the pics, not just the solved ones… clocks aside, are there any numbers hiding that are being considered for anything but coordinates?

I’m wondering if Preiss wanted to establish this portion of the hunt with Lafayette Hubbard in mind.

erexere — nice find. I think we need a close-up of that Scientology facade.

sorry if this comes through twice.
and the inside of the Barker Dome at MIT

Glossiphoniidae

I know the feeling. It’s better in the long run, though.

I’ve been thinking that the shape of a leg and home plate on the arm cuff is symbolic for “home run”. I think that’s a play on the idea that America is in charge of itself or “home run” as a result of the rebellious Tea Party and followed by the American Revolution.

I’m leaning strongly toward Boston for this one too, as a match with Verse 3.  My main reasons are:
1.  Boston is at about 42N, 71W.  The 42 is obvious on her left cuff, and the top figure of her “train” (with the triangles, just below her right elbow) is a pretty good 71 when you rotate the book 90 degrees.
2.  The jewel is either the Emerald (Celtic) or the Peridot (Italian).  Boston’s a good bet for the immigrant match in either case.  I am aware that the Chicago picture has traditionally been matched with the emerald, but to me the Boston picture feels more Celtic.  Chicago, of course, is also a good bet for both nationalities, but to me Boston has the edge on the Celtics claim.  If somebody can definitively prove that Chicago was the emerald, then I’m perfectly OK with this being Italian.
3.  Lots of globes in the picture, which may be a reference to the Boston Globe.  A newspaper may be a pretty strong reference point for the authors/illustrators who wrote the book.
The castle on her box really doesn’t look like Trinity Church to me, fox, but my theories on the Verse 3 thread do have the path starting at the Boston Public Library, which is right across the street.  I’ve posited the area near the Hatch Shell on the Charles River Embankment — I think the park is called the Esplanade.  Maybe the castle is in the view across the river.  If I get to Boston any time soon, that’s the area I’m working on.
Pine

forest_blight

…To my mind, the only thing pointing to Salt Lake City is that tenuous 112 in P11. But if you believe that, you have to toss out the clear 42 and 43 references in the image (her cuff and sash), because SLC is not between latitudes 42 and 43. It is between latitudes 40 and 41…

I probably didn’t explain this well enough the first time or we may have gotten off track. Sorry about that.
The 41 is a possible number from the top of the window.
The 112, of course, you know well from the shadow of the flower.
The triangles and squares on the sash may be just that. Palencar has never used this method to display other coordinates. I think there is no need to make the latitude and longitude numbers difficult to decipher. They are general clues to get us to a city and he has decided to only camouflage them at the most in the twelve paintings. The squares and triangles surely represent something, but this theme is echoed through out her wardrobe. I suspect they are some other confirming clue. Maybe they are a theme of the area.
The 4 and 2 weaknesses I explained in an earlier post.
You have my respect as a good researcher and observant hunter
forest
. What would help me, instead of just sharing beliefs in a different solution, is sharing observations of the painting matches I have proposed so far, even if you completely disagree with the direction it may lead.
These SLC matches primarily include a compelling match of the “woman holding a pot” fountain and the window.

shseverin11

I’m not convinced of SLC but I do think the picture of the lion heads posted on the Verse 11 thread do resemble the profile “face” in the woman’s hair.
Shseverin11

Very interesting
shseverin11
! Would you explain what matches for you? I’m hoping to see what you are talking about, but am having trouble making it out. Are you talking about the lower right area where the haircut line does some unusual shaping next to the flower? That has always been intriguing to me. Something looks intentionally out of order, but I could never match anything.

Sonoran

Are you talking about the lower right area where the haircut line does some unusual shaping next to the flower? That has always been intriguing to me. Something looks intentionally out of order, but I could never match anything.

Yes, I’m talking about the hair line. I’ve attached a pic that I’ve flipped and rotated to line up with the picture of the lions on the building. Hope that makes it clearer for you.
Shseverin11

Xieish

My #1 “crazy” theory is that all of the puzzles are connected to the bicentennial. I keep coming across that over and over.

Tell me about it. Remember the Abroad in America book? …published in 1976.

It could be Boston. Keep in mind that the Chicago Tower was made to look like a windmill. We could have searched every windmill in the US and have never found it. I think the key is to find the small part of the castle that matches part of the pic. I like the Boston one because of the misaligned windows. Not sure how common that is in castle architecture.

Do not have much time to write right now but check out Casa Loma in Toronto run it through google to get pictures. It looks alot like the image in the box includeing the wall. Another reason to consider Toronto I ran statues Thycididis or however it is spelled and Xenopon or however it is spelled I had the correct spelling at the time through Google and got vage references to Toronto I will let you know if I have something concrete. If you think you have really got something concrete on Boston I have a relative who lives out there that can help confirm it. I however at this time do not think Boston is a site.

Casa Loma, Plaza castle, and “the box”.

Unknown

Unknown:
You have my respect as a good researcher and observant hunter forest. What would help me, instead of just sharing beliefs in a different solution, is sharing observations of the painting matches I have proposed so far, even if you completely disagree with the direction it may lead.

I’m sorry if I come off sounding contrary, but in the absence of any clear revelations the best way I can help is to poke holes in other people’s theories. It’s nothing personal, but if a theory is good, it will survive repeated assaults. There are lots of theories floating about, and the search for confirming evidence does little to help when there is so much uncertainty. Finding ways to reject these theories is one way to keep things moving along and encourage exploration of more promising avenues.
It is *easy* to find confirming evidence when you are looking for it, but 99.9% of the time it ends up being a big waste of time. I was sensitized to this by the book
Quest for the Golden Hare
by Bamber Gascoigne, which I highly recommend. The author details the mania surrounding the first big hunt of its kind, based on the book
Masquerade
by Kit Williams (
The Secret
was Byron Preiss’ American answer to
Masquerade
). Armchair treasure hunters — just like us — came up with some pretty wacky theories that seemed reasonable (to them) at the time, but in hindsight were built on very shaky foundations.
The “very shaky foundation” in this case is the 112. That 112 is the only reason we are even considering SLC. If it had been 35, we might be looking for confirming evidence in Amarillo, and trust me, we would find it! Everywhere you look there are things that vaguely resemble objects from these pictures. Humans are really, really good at finding commonalities among objects — we can’t help it. But it’s just not a good strategy in a hunt like this. You have to constantly police yourself and ask “is this crazy?” In this case my answer was “yes,” so I abandoned the idea and moved on. There is too much counterevidence for me to take SLC seriously anymore.
So here is my observation: If we ignore the 112, what is there? Nothing that could not easily be found in any other American city with even a modest amount of searching. There are table-like objects everywhere, and circles and squares everywhere, and cracks in stone facades everywhere. There are birds, and statues and sculptures of birds, everywhere. SLC doesn’t match the theme of the book at all — there is no history of European/African/Asian/Middle Eastern exploration or immigration, and SLC is in a land-locked area. Yes, the Mormons migrated there, but they are a home-grown tribe. Even if you don’t buy the 43 theory (from the square and triangle), it doesn’t matter, because SLC still does not conform to the established latitude/longitude theory. The 42 disconfirms it. The fact that there is an unmistakable 42 in the picture to me increases the likelihood that the square and triangle should be interpreted as 43. Together, these conform to Fox’s latitude theory quite well, and no one has disconfirmed that theory to my satisfaction. So, until a better theory comes along, I will continue to believe the combined 42 and 43, which rules out SLC, more than the single 112, which may or may not be a longitude. Heck, it may not even be 112.
My point is not that “confirming” evidence isn’t important, but it has to (a) match
really
well, like the Milwaukee City Hall in P10 or that tower in Cleveland in P4, and (b) withstand criticism.
On the question of how to interpret the shapes in P1 and P11: Because simple shapes are so ubiquitous, the only way they could possibly help is if they represent numbers rather than shapes. Numbers can indicate latitudes, longitudes, or addresses (for example) — and those can be helpful in a hunt like this — but pretty much everywhere you look you see actual, literal squares, triangles, and circles. Occam’s razor.

What’s missing in both locations is the castle.  The windows on the pointed tower are staggered in image11.  Neither is an exact match.
But I still like 42 & 71.  And, The Boston Public Library for v3.

This might help:
Here is a website that lists all the castles in the United States–or as many as the site’s author could garner, at any rate. It’s listed by state, for easy browsing, and many contain pictures.  It’s certainly not comprehensive by any means, but it could easily help if you’re searching for a match for your box picture.
http://www.dupontcastle.com/castles/
Happy hunting.

Speaking of finding a concrete match, didn’t the two images that have been solved contain map overlays?  Finding a map overlay would really help in determing the location. Maybe we shoudl shift gears and stop looking for a matching castle and start looking for the “hidden” map in the image. I know it’s easier said than done

Thanks shecrab.  I’ve looked at that sight soooo many times in the past.  Even mentioned this one at Park Plaza Boston.  I never realized that it was two blocks from Copley Square and one block from the Boston Public Gardens.

I liked that one too….it even has the staggered windows.  The turrets and crenellated wall are the wrong way round, but I’ll give that up to artistic license and say it’s Boston.

I am almost certain this is for the Canadian casque. I feel very confident that the building in the box is the Chateau Frontenac in Quebec City, Quebec. I do not have a new enough computer to put up pictures on this site but run this through Google Images and you will see several views of this hotel. Taken from the correct angle it could look exactly like the image in the box. Quebec City’s latitude is 46 49 and its longitude is 71 11 I know this is not an exact match but see what you can do with this. I will also check out the citadells of Halifax Nova Scotia just to make sure they are not the location. I will also see what parks are in th QC area that may or may have at one time match a verse.

Well, if this is the box, then we’ve come full circle back to Boston.  And I’ve found myself in a quagmire.

Boogie-
Here is another thing for you to loose sleep over…
“Near those who pass the coliseum”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvard_Stadium
(maybe pass is a play on words – football, law school)

Boogieman,
Here is one more photo of the old fountain.
(from 1971 according to the photographer)
You can see the wall on the right that is referred
to in the newspaper article from the Globe on
Aug. 9, 1982.  BP would have seen all of this if he
were in Boston around 1982.

fox

AP, the fountain in your post was there in 82′.  The one fox used as an example (below), was put there in 96′ and is there today.  Maybe more pics of the old fountain can help us confirm for sure.  Not sure.

Here’s a picture of Copley Square from 1980, from Vanderwarker’s
Boston Then and Now
. These two-globe lights could be found all over the city at the time. The square looks to have been completely paved over.

Unknown

Unknown:
Now the question is…WHERE do you stand with your back to the stairs and
facing the “water”?

RIGHT HERE (this is the side of Trinity church):

Forest,
Yeah, you got the book!
Do they have a good photo of the front of the Library?
(Or any other pertinent shots…)
AP

Out of all 3 books I got, that’s the best view of Copley Square. I really don’t think this is the spot, Thucy and Xeno notwithstanding. It was all paved over and very, very public in 1981.

just destroyed a massive swath of this and the charleston puzzle…one of my most productive days ever…just broke loads of effin clues!

Cormac,
You may have a point…In 1982, BP’s photo quality may have
left something to be desired, as far as resolution…
It was such a surprise to find that first photo!
(Even though it is not directly related to a “dig-here location”)
AP

forest_blight

That scrollwork really intrigues me. Can someone find a clearer image than the ones from Google Maps?

Forest,
I did find a photo of the scrollwork which is more focused…
and will say that I am disappointed with the detail…
It does not look as similar as my first photo.
AP

I agree – not as excited anymore.
And excellent job picture-snooping!

I still like it… what if he took pictures of things then later painted the pictures…
what if BP’s picture of this was a little fuzzy or out of focus…
A little farther down the same street is a building with small “portholes” (for lack of a better word) reminds me of the one behind her.
From these locations…If it was paired up with V 10… you could “gaze north toward the isle of B
“From its earliest beginnings, the North End has been cut off from Boston proper, at first topographically and then socially and economically until only recently. In Colonial days, it was known as the “Island of North Boston” “
North    Isle of B  =  Isle of North B  ?
Christopher Columbus Park is also south(ish) of Boston’s North End (and could relate to “Indies native”)
The park has many circles, a few triangles,
and there is a set of buildings in the background vaguely similar to that on the box.
http://www.brogan-arts.com/i/4×4%20Gall … View_1.jpg
http://k41.pbase.com/g3/62/332962/2/880 … t62g4m.jpg
Also… the globe…. ever hear of the Boston Globe?
Sorry to cross threads here… but another tidbit that could match with Boston and V10
“Arthur Fiedler (December 17, 1894 – July 10, 1979) was the long-time conductor of the Boston Pops Orchestra
His recordings began in July 1935 at Boston’s Symphony Hall with RCA, ……., and the first complete recording of Rhapsody in Blue by George Gershwin”…
… maybe a location (soil) with a monument or plaque to a “rapsodic man”
Your humble servant,
Cormac

People I’ve spoken to often come out with, “if we can definitely find the spot, then I’ll dig”. But at this stage I think the best we can hope for is a reasonable possibility in a location that’s undisturbed and not off-limits.
At the 2C, I think my favourite location is 421’s nook. There isn’t anything conclusive in the image or verse, but it seems to be a fairly prominent and repeated shape, and on Google maps at least, it looks like a promising spot.
A green tower of lights
In the middle section
We’ve never found “a green tower of lights in the middle section”…it’s not even clear what that means. The middle section of what? But we have a green tower of lights here, and perhaps the next line is a separate, disjointed clue. Maybe the nook is “the middle section”.
* * * * *
Incidentally I just came across another “in truth be free”, in a poem called “The Spirit Voice” by Charles Reason.
http://www.poemhunter.com/best-poems/ch … ranchised/
Charlesgate was named by Charles I, after himself.

fox

A possible hit or a probable stretch:
Since early on, most folks have been referring to the box the woman is holding as a Pandora’s Box.  The legend in a nutshell states this:  The box, sent by the gods with Pandora as a gift to Epimetheus, which she was forbidden to open and which loosed a swarm of evils upon mankind when she opened it.  All that remained in the box was Hope!…..
– Now, I’m still trying to find out how long it has been around, but, there is a small store (which many say a trip to Boston needs a visit to) called Hope:
http://www.newbury-st.com/asp/merdtl.asp?id=461
The description of this shop sounds quite “Secretish”.  This shop is located right next to Prudential Tower “A green tower of lights” (V3) & just down Boylston St from Copley Square.  Copley Sq is the small green square on Boylston St to the east of Hope (not Copley Place) on this map:
http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?co … on&state=M
A&zipcode=02115&search=++Search++

johann

You are quite right that the pic 11 Pandora’s Box first had us exploring St. Louis, but at some point (or over some time) opinions changed.  I began with pic 11 and verse 2, then left verse 2 for too many other verses, then juggled between a few possible pics and verses, then somehow came back to verse 2 and finally pic 9.  In short, I was (and perhaps presently am) confused.  Your concern is valid.

Wells,
These are two references made to Pandora’s Box by Fox and Johann:

You mean, in the “Pandora’s Box” sense? This has been covered in the forum.

i could not find that……..thanks

Searching the North End of Boston, I came upon this fabulous mural
on the wall of Filippo’s Restaurant, (283 Causeway Street,Boston..
near the end of Prince St. and the waterfront.)  I am not saying that
it is a clue or a link…Just thought you might enjoy seeing it.
AP
http://www.flickr.com/photos/alohadave/ … 3/sizes/l/

I think the Shaw of BPL is probably George Bernard Shaw.
…but it’s crazy that Sarmiento has a prominent statue in Boston. What are the odds?

we saw sarmiento in the commonwealth long time ago……everything is connected in this book.  it’s so frustrating!
i was reading up on melville and he knew just about everyone we ever mentioned from this hunt, whitman, poe, longfellow, and probably sarmiento too! had a list somewhere, but notes are getting messy again
i think we thought the shape of the oval and the walkway up to sarmiento looked like the shape of the lady’s cloak and the oval in the image.

erexere

I like this illustration by JJP of the Tax Burden. The strap vertically intersecting the $ symbol is exactly like finding a spot where the green light pole intersects the SS-gate and is a huge giveaway clue. What better reference to Boston is there given the events of the Boston Tea Party in protest of the taxation of Britain on the American colonists.

The circular shape of a coin falling from the small tear in the bag of the Tax Burden looks a lot like the tear in the concrete which also has a small circular coin shape.

That scrollwork is intriguing…. I’ll see if that lamp post is still there.
Probably this weekend… it’s Misha’s first day of school tomorrow (7th grade).
Amy

Then take the (not so popular) theory of mine about iconic images and straight lines to the first part of the verse….
The castle hotel is on the same road (straight line, about 4 blocks) as the boston public garden…

I have been trying to locate a recognizable granite sphere in the
Boston area for this image. The closest so far is the granite sphere
monument in Quincy, Mass. in front of their city hall.

animal painter

I have been trying to locate a recognizable granite sphere in the
Boston area for this image. The closest so far is the granite sphere
monument in Quincy, Mass. in front of their city hall.

Why look for a big sphere, when the newspaper in Boston is called the Boston
Globe
? Especially since one of the spheres in the image is set in a frame like a globe would be–I don’t think it’s necessary to find a matching image.

Shecrab,
I did think of that, but did not want to leave any “stone” unturned..
since there were several blue granite spheres in the painting…and if
there were a visible landmark to anchor our search….
AP

shecrab

Why look for a big sphere, when the newspaper in Boston is called the Boston
Globe
? Especially since one of the spheres in the image is set in a frame like a globe would be–I don’t think it’s necessary to find a matching image.

Gotta love the way you think Ms C…

True line of sight
This what the last line of verse 3 is alluding to.
The Charles River Esplanade in Boston has 30 Arthur Shurcliff benches in rows either side of the Storrow Compass Rose Memorial. There are also trees and lamp posts both on the river side path and along the road on the other side of this area. So standing near bench number 18 and facing towards the river steps, there are 2 lamp posts in line. The furthest lamp post is central at the top of the steps and the one in front of that is the lamp post at the edge of the riverside path. This lamp post is now behind the horizontal seat part of bench number 27. Therefore, for a “true” line of sight to the lamp post, the seat would have to be translucent. This what you see at the bottom left of image 11 where the bird’s perch pole is seen through the triangular seat end shape.
Now to get an absolute bearing of where the casque is buried, we need another bearing, and this is obtained by turning to face towards the South as shown on the Storrow compass rose. Bench number 18 is then in front of you. You should see a lamp post behind the seat but also a tree behind the seat too. This is depicted in the bottom right of image 11 where her robe is also seen through the seat shape as well as the post holding the globe. I think this translucent shape on the right is meant to depict the far end of the seat plank as if you were looking along the seat. Note that it is at a different angle to the left shape.
So my belief is that the casque is buried on the north side of bench 18 and free from obstruction.
The real credit for this goes to 421Thrasher.
(15411)

True line of sight
This what the last line of verse 3 is alluding to.
The Charles River Esplanade in Boston has 30 Arthur Shurcliff benches in rows either side of the Storrow
Compass
Rose Memorial. There are also trees and lamp posts both on the river side path and along the road on the other side of this area. So standing near bench number 18 and facing towards the river steps, there are 2 lamp posts in line. The furthest lamp post is central at the top of the steps and the one in front of that is the lamp post at the edge of the riverside path. This lamp post is now behind the horizontal seat part of bench number 27. Therefore, for a “true” line of sight to the lamp post, the seat would have to be translucent. This what you see at the bottom left of image 11 where the bird’s perch pole is seen through the triangular seat end shape.
Now to get an absolute bearing of where the casque is buried, we need another bearing, and this is obtained by turning to face towards the South as shown on the Storrow
compass
rose. Bench number 18 is then in front of you. You should see a lamp post behind the seat but also a tree behind the seat too. This is depicted in the bottom right of image 11 where her robe is also seen through the seat shape as well as the post holding the globe. I think this translucent shape on the right is meant to depict the far end of the seat plank as if you were looking along the seat. Note that it is at a different angle to the left shape.
So my belief is that the casque is buried on the north side of bench 18 and free from obstruction.
The real credit for this goes to 421Thrasher.
(15411)

LMK if you want pictures of anything, I commute past that spot every single day.

Unknown

Unknown:
I cited the sight of a site.

Xie, you could measure the size of a concrete block and bench and the distance from each other. Then how far from a lamp or tree so that a plan could drawn to plot the lines of sight accurately. Nobody should stop you doing that.
Some further thoughts on the last line….
If you look up “True Line of Sight” it can have different meanings:
1. A wargaming term for when you have to be able to physically see the target.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line_of_sight_(gaming
)
so in our case, it relates to seeing the lamp posts from the dig site.
2. Rifle and cannon sights are adjusted higher than the final target because the missile travels under the effect of gravity.
In our case this could be where you are looking towards the target dig site from the lamp post but the real target is below ground level!
Then there is site or sight ambiguity. If you look that up there is the sentence:

That’s a great idea, wk. Next time I head in that direction I’ll grab a tape measure and try to get a more detailed “map” of what exactly that rectangle of benches looks like. Should give people a little better idea since there isn’t street view for the area.
The area is surprisingly empty on cool mornings (I bike past it in the 6am hour often enough), and I’ve probed the ground other places in Boston without being disturbed. A lot of weird looks, and the probe never goes in past 8-10″ or so, but I’ve gotten away with it.
I think when they dig up Cambridge Common for its scheduled park refresh this year they’ll find about 150 probe holes around the ball field and Washington Elm.

So the chicago image was based on the $50 with US Grant on it
and the casque was in Grant Park…
not very up on Boston, (or Salt Lake City…) but obviously this image is of pandora opening her box
This is possibly the image the boston image was based on, it is by Waterhouse,
check out the left hands and the hair color…
perhaps we need to be looking for a pump house or sewer main junction box
or even a house along the water….

maltedfalcon

So the chicago image was based on the $50 with US Grant on it
and the casque was in Grant Park…
not very up on Boston, (or Salt Lake City…) but obviously this image is of pandora opening her box
This is possibly the image the boston image was based on, it is by Waterhouse,
check out the left hands and the hair color…
perhaps we need to be looking for a pump house or sewer main junction box
or even a house along the water….

I like it Matt! Even the boat house on the Esplanade.

maltedfalcon

So the chicago image was based on the $50 with US Grant on it
and the casque was in Grant Park…
not very up on Boston, (or Salt Lake City…) but obviously this image is of pandora opening her box
This is possibly the image the boston image was based on, it is by Waterhouse,
check out the left hands and the hair color…
perhaps we need to be looking for a pump house or sewer main junction box
or even a house along the water….

I like the hands a little more in this version of Pandora by Rosetti.
Direct Link
https://i.imgur.com/6ag2YsT.jpg

how about…..
this oil on canvas painting in Museum of Fine Arts,
Boston
since 1853
by
Francesco
(image 1)
Cairo
(Egypt) of Milan(Italy)

Because of my post?

Gates McFadden holding a Borg cube.

erexere

Gates McFadden holding a Borg cube.

To quote Bingo:
http://quest4treasure.co.uk/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=7333&start=15#p143795

Haarstick

Hi all –
After listening to the translation of the Japanese hints, I’ve been obsessing over the fact that Preiss hinted that for Verse 3 (thought to be Boston with image 11) he couldn’t give any hint because it would immediately solve the puzzle. I was thinking that it was a bit odd that Preiss hadn’t used any cipher puzzles – well at least as far as we know – in any other image/verses. We know he used a rebus puzzle for Milwaukee but did he use any other kind of coded, cipher puzzle for the others? What if his clue was “cipher” or “coded message”?

You mean besides “SELOY”?

good question, someone answer him already, come on

maltedfalcon

You mean besides “SELOY”?

Come on Matt you are better than that.
The rebus for Milwaukee, the SELOY acrostic for St Augustine, there very well could be some type of undiscovered letter/number substitution cipher included in Boston or other puzzles.
Where have we seen that before? Oh, I remember, it was in a cryptic podcast that was released a few months ago. Remember that gem? Being part of team podcast, I would think you would be a little more open to the possibility.
-Spiritr, please don’t flood this thread with your crap. The two solved puzzles need more of your attention.

Fox,
You once asked if there were another view of the “castle” that more
closely resembled the image 11 pic.  Here is one view in which an
offset-window-tower is actually higher than one of the parapets.
(not that we need any more confirmers for the castle in Boston…)
AP

I saw that castle view while taking a “walking tour” on Google,from Arlington St. to Copley Sq.
BP liked taking the “tour” approach in Milwaukee…following the streets to his
destination.
While still on Arlington St., I saw something that I am just
throwing out here…
The first object that caught my eye, was this “sculpture” over the doorway of
a building right across from the Park Plaza Hotel.  For some reason, the two
“things” hanging down reminded me of the two tail feathers of the falcon.
(Those tail feathers always did look odd to me with their rounded ends.)
Haven’t finished my walking tour from Arlington St. to Copley Sq. yet….
AP
P.S.  Canada should be just about perfect this time of year, Forest.
Have a safe trip.

AP, no need to convince me about the castle.  I can’t seem to see what you are referring to in the second picture which looks like the bird’s tail.  It looks like a bird over the entrance but the rest of the pic is kind of dark.  Does that bird over the doorway have a similar tail?

Fox,
It looks like two narrow pieces hanging down from the “bird”.
Just “freely associating”…When I saw it, it reminded me of the falcon’s tail.
It is dark, and I could not find any photos to get a better look.
AP

That is what I figured AP.  Do you happen to know what that building is?

Fox,
The corner sign of the building says “Davio’s” (a high-end Italian restaurant)
But I do not know if it occupies the whole street level.
Davio’s address is 75 Arlington St….The “Castle” address is 101 Arlington St.
I added a small photo with the “tail feathers” outlined in the post above.
AP
P.S.
I just checked the address on Google.  That building is shared by 20 businesses.
Addison-Wesley Benjamin‎
Bedford/St Martin’s‎
Bentley Motors, Inc‎
Boston Foundation‎
Bushari Group Real Estate – Boston Real Estate‎
Cape Wind Associates‎
Davio’s‎ – Rated 3.7 out of 5.0
Debt Hero: Boston Debt Consolidation‎
Family Law Practice-Divorce Attorney-Divorce Mediation‎
Martin’s News‎
Montage Inc‎ – 6 reviews
Nancy Stracka Interiors, Inc.‎
New England School of Art‎ – 1 review
Parsons Brinckerhoff‎
PB Americas, Inc‎
Pearson Custom Publishing‎
Pearson Education‎
Regus – Back Bay‎
Samuel Adams Brewery‎
Urban PRIDE, A Community Parent Resource Center‎

Thanks, will see if I can find a clearer picture.  Interesting fact I found while searching…  also located in that building, on the 10th floor, is The Boston Foundation.

I never once said that these were THE pillars from the P…just that perhaps the ‘shawl’ or falcon’s ‘keyhole doorway’ are more than just that in the P…perhaps even representing a real, onsite object “such as” the obelisks of the fountain.

I see the lines in Verse 3:
Eighteenth day
Twelfth hour
as meaning a couple things…obviously as Bingo said, it is a nod to Paul Revere. But more importantly for this puzzle, it gives a nod to Fenway Park….here’s how.
The First MLB opening game for Fenway was played on April 20th, 1912. But what most people don’t know is that the First game was scheduled for April 18th, 1912 but was rained out two days in a row until finally being played on the 20th. I believe it was a great way for the Boston Red Sox to celebrate Boston’s history and Paul Revere’s ride on April 18th which would have been a “day” game and that game may have been scheduled for noon (many start times for games at that time were noon) which would also be a nod to Paul Revere but obviously being played at 12 noon instead of midnight.

MrBackstop

I see the lines in Verse 3:
Eighteenth day
Twelfth hour
as meaning a couple things…obviously as Bingo said, it is a nod to Paul Revere. But more importantly for this puzzle, it gives a nod to Fenway Park….here’s how.
The First MLB opening game for Fenway was played on April 20th, 1912. But what most people don’t know is that the First game was scheduled for April 18th, 1912 but was rained out two days in a row until finally being played on the 20th. I believe it was a great way for the Boston Red Sox to celebrate Boston’s history and Paul Revere’s ride on April 18th which would have been a “day” game and that game may have been scheduled for noon (many start times for games at that time were noon) which would also be a nod to Paul Revere but obviously being played at 12 noon instead of midnight.

They had actually scheduled the Patriots Day game for the 19th that yr, the second game. First game was for the 18th, Patriots Day on the 19th. I do like that for 18 though. Thought about that a few nights ago, again, as I watched the Sox make franchise history. GO SOX!