I just found this out – the O’Reilly statue was completely relocated to where it is now in 1982. Read this (notes below):
https://www.cityofboston.gov/images_doc … -20783.pdf
In 1982 major changes were again introduced to the Back Bay Fens:
Agassiz Road was narrowed and a new curb and sidwalk installed.
The rotary at the Westland Avenue Entrance was removed, changing
the pattern of traffic and returning some land to park use.
The southern portion of The Fenway was narrowed. New walks, curbs
and trees were added.
The Boylston Street intersection was entirely rebuilt. In addition
to the relocation of the John Boyle O’Reilly statue, new walks were
installed and The Fenway widened.
Boylston Street has also been widened, the median strip removed and
a new traffic pattern to the Bowker Overpass put into effect.
So the landmarks we’ve been looking at were in different locations and may have looked different and the staircase may not have even been there in 1981 when he likely buried the casque. Am I reading this all correctly???

strike13

good idea with the stairs being at that old building…i like to look at the 1978 mages because i feel like those are closest to how it looked at the time. i wonder what the building was used for? i saw it in the 50s images too

The structure was an open picnic shelter. Removed in the mid 80s or so.

What about the Roberto Clemente fieldhouse and bleachers? There’s a picture of them from the late 70s at the end of that document. Are they still there? I’ve never seen them and they look like a castle in a way…..

Haarstick

What about the Roberto Clemente fieldhouse and bleachers? There’s a picture of them from the late 70s at the end of that document. Are they still there? I’ve never seen them and they look like a castle in a way…..

I like that too. The structure was mostly removed, only a bit of it remains. You can see it in Street View.

Haarstick

Here’s a detailed map of the Freedom Trail – as you can see it goes by both the alphabet plaque and Paul Revere’s house. I’d love to be able to rule out North Square Park just to get it out of my head.
http://www.thefreedomtrail.org/freedom-trail/maps.shtml
Does anyone know if there are any other stairs in the Back Bay Fens besides the ones near the O’Reilly statue?

The other stairs that I can see, are part of the Winged Victory monument. It is possible, although I think unlikely, that if you put your back to the statue and face the water, that puts you facing anywhere from north to east, since the water wraps around. Then you have to decipher the 12 and 18 clues to find a dig spot.

After reading through 130+ pages of posts in this thread AND using the search function to make sure I didn’t miss it, how has one of the most iconic bars in the history of Boston never been mentioned?
The CASK n flagon is across the street from Fenway Park. It has been in the same place since 1969 and still open today. I am slightly ashamed of myself for just thinking of this.

BINGO

After reading through 130+ pages of posts in this thread AND using the search function to make sure I didn’t miss it, how has one of the most iconic bars in the history of Boston never been mentioned?
The CASK n flagon is across the street from Fenway Park. It has been in the same place since 1969 and still open today. I am slightly ashamed of myself for just thinking of this.

cask n flagon…
green dargon
bell in hand…
just to name the most historical

gManTexas

The structure was an open picnic shelter. Removed in the mid 80s or so.

I just looked at those maps too from 1978 Haarstick. And gMan, it’s like I said yesterday the monument was just moved across to where it is now from the traffic island. It doesn’t change any of our thoughts to this point concerning the stairs. I see what appears to be stairs in the same spot.
Now with the Boylston Bridge still being the target let me throw this at you. Erin ( Our statue woman ) is in front of this side of the bridge. The circle behind her is the opening above the water and the reflection connected. It represents the water view you would see. The stone around it is the bridge and some reflection of the bridge.
If you look loosely at the lighter circle within the water circle, you see the top half is highlighted and the bottom isn’t…..you can notice as it comes into view in your brain that that is the opening of the other side of the bridge and its reflection on the river.
The star behind her head in the circle represents the Huge Celtic Cross that is behind her on the statue (other side of the Boyle O’reilly monument).
Now here is something interesting concerning the number 18 and 12 with the bridge.
You notice the half moons and globe in Image 11. These represent the half circles on top of the bridge of the main leg supports. Check it out on Google Earth. What I really find interesting is that if you count the stones across the railing of the bridge (not including the end cap stone) the 18th stone is in the curve of these main leg supports. Also, I believe in Image 11, the the bottom half circle with the lighter and darker colors represents the stones under the bridge. That’s why it’s the bottom half circle.
The fairy holding the jewel is showing us that the jewel is to the right of the opening of the Boylston Bridge. If you stand facing the river with your back to the stairs and turn to go North (12 O’clock”) until you get to the 18th stone on the top railing in that first Half Circle Leg, you should be able to line that 18th stone with wherever the light from the Lamp creates a shadow on the ground and we have our target.
What do you think?

Yeah, when I saw what strike13 shared about the Longfellow quote, I checked in the search field to see if that similarity to “In truth, be free” had been mentioned before and it hadn’t, so I was pretty stoked for the find. I had already been inclined to think the last line of the verse associated with the big letter S’s on the Somerset hotel gate, because they could be inferred as dollar symbols. The first S is oriented properly, but the second S is reversed for symmetry, thus the interpretation may follow that a reversed dollar sign symbolizes NO MONEY or “free” of cost.
I love the Longfellow attribution, given he wrote the Landlord’s Tale aka Paul Revere’s Midnight Ride. I really love the Pandora’s Box motif. A painting of Pandora from 1881 shows her with long red hair. This really gels for me.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandora%27s_box

erexere

Yeah, when I saw what strike13 shared about the Longfellow quote, I checked in the search field to see if that similarity to “In truth, be free” had been mentioned before and it hadn’t, so I was pretty stoked for the find. I had already been inclined to think the last line of the verse associated with the big letter S’s on the Somerset hotel gate, because they could be inferred as dollar symbols. The first S is oriented properly, but the second S is reversed for symmetry, thus the interpretation may follow that a reversed dollar sign symbolizes NO MONEY or “free” of cost.
I love the Longfellow attribution, given he wrote the Landlord’s Tale aka Paul Revere’s Midnight Ride. I really love the Pandora’s Box motif. A painting of Pandora from 1881 shows her with long red hair. This really gels for me.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandora%27s_box

That painting reference is really interesting too considering some people think the paintings resemble classic works: Image 1 = Da Vinci’s “Virgin of the Rocks” and Image 9 = Rembrandt’s “Self Portrait”. This Rossetti looks right! And she’s holding the similarly.
But does it help solve the puzzle? Let’s hope!

Haarstick

That painting reference is really interesting too considering some people think the paintings resemble classic works: Image 1 = Da Vinci’s “Virgin of the Rocks” and Image 9 = Rembrandt’s “Self Portrait”. This Rossetti looks right! And she’s holding the similarly.
But does it help solve the puzzle? Let’s hope!

I think it’s reasonable to assume that the illustrations were inspired by classic works. I could draw a connection between Image 12 and Botticelli’s “Birth of Venus”. And Image 6 could certainly be compared to a number of Salvador Dali renditions of Don Quixote.

Do you think these similarities were intentional? Or are we just seeing what we want to see?

Haarstick

Do you think these similarities were intentional? Or are we just seeing what we want to see?

I haven’t dug that deep into it. There could be a connection beyond BP being fond of classic art. Maybe museum locations, historical connections, I don’t know. Maybe it was just a convenient set of inspirations for the artwork.
BP says to JJP, “Hey, I really like this panting, can we capture the essence in Image 9?”
JJP, “Sure, what other crazy stuff do you want in there?”
BP, “Look at this leg eater and Fleur de Lis…wait, scratch that last part…”

LOL! This is maddening……

If the images are inspired by these art works, how would or could that be applied to find useful information to the hunt? I could see the immigration theme relating an image to a painting by an Italian, Greek, etc artist.
It would be difficult to convince me that another painting may actually provide directional clues to retrieve a casque. It just seems far too complicated to link an image to a famous painting and then solve the puzzle from that.

Haarstick

LOL! This is maddening……

Soooo maddening!!!! Was out there for a good portion of the day yesterday, in the Fens, pretty discouraging actually hahaha! But cool to meet Bingo and this other guy Brian.

Anyone else hate that i saw this in the commons. I don’t like being pulled in different directions w this.
https://imgur.com/a/RKFlS
Such a striking similarity to the fairy.

It is supremely helpful to nail down anything with these pictures and verses. I would seriously doubt another artwork would itself be useful as any kind of instruction. Identifying the sources is useful in dispelling illusions about what things mean, however. I’d think the agreement of two pieces of information is very useful in deciding on a course for further investigation. Thucydides/Xenophon/Longfellow/Pandora/Revere/maybe Philippides of Marathon, maybe Somerset, all should tug us into some general direction if anything is meant to work together.
Yes. Maddening.
E: don’t forget the Copley fairy.

shecrab

yes, I saw that one. Since it was a waste-water outlet I didn’t consider it.
If you go through some of the pics on that site, you’ll find a couple of windows that look similar, but I don’t think this is the way to go, really.
Sometimes a window is just a window. Round or otherwise.

Yeah, I know.  Just something about it that makes it not a window.  I don’t think a keyhole either.

I like this location. I always thought the fairies dress looked like a boat. Never found any matches though until I saw your post. Not sure if this sign has always been here or been updated. Whether there was a better match 30 years ago or not I think her dress is a boat leading you in this direction. Nice work. I hope these idiots that are digging don’t ruin it for you.

Oh, snap. I’ll get a ton of good photos of that building. The building itself is original, the grounds have been heavily redone. The building has tons of boats/sails – more importantly than the sign –
in the tilework on the building itself
. I’ll be damned. I wouldn’t be surprised if that yields something.
I’m still fine with the park. They e-mailed me to make sure it wasn’t me (more of a WTF man) and they aren’t gunshy about moving forward. A state archaelogist will be on site for the dig, but as it’s a state park, that means state buerocracy (and over the holidays too).

you’re right boogieman
the boston public library has to be the right place, and i do get carried away,  someone should slap me, lol
hopefully someone is out there looking and maybe something we say will help..i think the bus stop (ck’s)  and the lamppost mailboxes  are both good ideas that hadn’t been mentioned before and it would be great if something we said helped find the treasure.

slappybuns

you’re right boogieman
the boston public library has to be the right place, and i do get carried away,  someone should slap me, lol
hopefully someone is out there looking and maybe something we say will help..i think the bus stop (ck’s)  and the lamppost mailboxes  are both good ideas that hadn’t been mentioned before and it would be great if something we said helped find the treasure.

All in good fun.
You know, the mailbox lamp posts are a great idea.  If there was one in Copely I would dig under it, electrical wires be damned!!!  I know I’m asking for it (asking for three or four posts
), but what is it about the bus stop that you like?

thank you forest_blight!
dio you think it could be the orb in the oval?
i was  hoping you were close to boston shseverin11,

I think you’re way off-base here, slappy (no pun intended). But then, I think that about everyone’s theories, including my own. I’ll *start* to believe you once you dig up a casque
Of course, shecrab’s “red socks” discovery is obviously correct

Well of course it is. Anyone can see that.

okay another ball in the sky
http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbv … common.jpg

seems i forgot about football.
what is the boston team? where do they play?
“those who pass”
i forgot about that even tho i thought that that looked like a football helmet in the box.

No problem Slapps….just think of it this way: the Red Sox can also be passers.
“Hey guys, want to win a world series?”
“No thanks–we’ll pass.”
At least that’s how they answered for 60 years.

slappybuns

seems i forgot about football.
what is the boston team? where do they play?

There IS no “Boston” NFL Team anymore. It is now called the New England Patriots, and they play at Gillette Stadium. They played at Foxboro stadium until 2002, however, in Foxborough Mass. They also played at Harvard Stadium until 1970.
I loved the name of one of the Soccer teams that also played in Foxboro Stadium–The Boston Tea Men. How weenie is that?

Hey now….Everyone is getting a little “slappyhappy” here.  8)
I think that we need some more footsoldiers at the church.  What happened to Insatiable?  We scare her off?  What greater resourse do we have than the BPL…I mean, all the info we need is probably contained in the building that our first clues were discovered on.  (Thucy and Xeno)  And right across the street from Copley Square to boot.

if your counting cross streets it would be 8
thats why I suggested subway stops on Huntington.

Perhaps the overall shape of the image was based on the
Kelleher Rose Garden
nearby.
I like the Mother’s Rest, though there might be other candidates for the stairs in this area. The Rose Garden is right next the the Boston Museum of Fine Arts with its portrait of Revere by Copley.

Green tower of lights?
elevated central artery night shot
by
animal painter
, on Flickr
PruGoSox
by
animal painter
, on Flickr

Interestingly, “Horace” is on the BPL facade. “Greeley” apparently didn’t make the cut, if ameliaelf’s photos are complete:
http://travel.webshots.com/photo/127599 … 1054JNkkff

Just for fun:
T is north of X quote is by Horace. Take five steps in Horace’s direction. Which way does Horace say to go? The answer is a funny fact I found, and can be the trivia for the night.
First correct response can help me dig  ;D

really shes not pandora, she is a cenobite.

Glossiphoniidae

T is north of X quote is by Horace.

Well, Horace
Walpole
, anyway.
It could be that you need to take five steps in the direction of Walpole, which is to the southwest of Boston. (Again, I don’t think it matters too much if you’ve found the casque site!)

WhiteRabbit

Perhaps the overall shape of the image was based on the
Kelleher Rose Garden
nearby.

Again, I think there are many objects in the pictures; however I do not think there is a picture path. I think objects help to verify the city (and in some cases the casque site), but truly all you need to find the casque site is the verse once you have determined the starting spot.

bigmattyh

Well, Horace
Walpole
, anyway.
It could be that you need to take five steps in the direction of Walpole, which is to the southwest of Boston. (Again, I don’t think it matters too much if you’ve found the casque site!)

I really think that the male who “his” represents is never identified in the verse. I think you know you have traveled five steps in the area of “his” direction because if you go in the right direction, you end up at a him – O’Reilly. You would immediately recognize the Irish connection and the memorial that is portrayed by the woman in the image. No other direction you travel five of any type of steps in would lead you to a male.
In reality, there are far too many interpretations and confusions for the first few lines, and I doubt we’ll ever know what “his” direction is. Regardless, if you get from BPL to Mothers Rest, the verse just flows.

omg… Horace Greeley.
“Go west, young man!”

My hat’s off to you, thrash. So simple and elegant, with a little word-play tossed in. So BP.
So here is what still confuses me.
1. If Thucydides is
2. North of Xenophon
3. Take five steps
4. In the area of his direction
If Lines 1-4 simply mean “go west,” then we do not need to treat BPL as the starting point. The reason T and X were mentioned was to invoke Horace so that we can in turn know “his direction.” Then the simplest interpretation for “steps” would be those in the staircase at Mother’s Rest. That is, 5th step from the bottom or 5th step from the top …except that the stairs run more N-S than E-W.
Could “A green tower of lights / In the middle section” and “Lit by lamplight” refer to a now-missing lamp half-way down the stairs? If so, why on earth would BP ask us to dig next to a lamp, which could be very dangerous due to electricity?
And why “
area
of his direction”? That is a strange word to use in this context.
I understand that the casque is almost certainly in Mother’s Rest Park (and likely undisturbed after 30 years). But figuring out exactly where to dig may require a little more thinking.

So if you were standing in Copley square…
and you decided to jump on the green line subway.  The oldest Subway line in America —-so jump under ground and start counting steps
Specifically the E line, Count the stations.
1 Copley
2 Prudential
3 Symphony
4 Northeastern
5 Museum of fine arts.
and then get off the subway and
walk North you arrive at

Glossiphoniidae

I really think that the male who “his” represents is never identified in the verse. I think you know you have traveled five steps in the area of “his” direction because if you go in the right direction, you end up at a him – O’Reilly. You would immediately recognize the Irish connection and the memorial that is portrayed by the woman in the image. No other direction you travel five of any type of steps in would lead you to a male.

That makes sense.

Glossiphoniidae

I think objects help to verify the city (and in some cases the casque site), but truly all you need to find the casque site is the verse once you have determined the starting spot.

Basically, you need to be able to pinpoint a precise spot using either the verse or the image. I like this area a lot, but we haven’t narrowed it down very closely yet. It might need a visual confirmer you can only see when you’re there, but it’s worth searching for it in advance in case you don’t…

WhiteRabbit

Basically, you need to be able to pinpoint a precise spot using either the verse or the image. I like this area a lot, but we haven’t narrowed it down very closely yet. It might need a visual confirmer you can only see when you’re there, but it’s worth searching for it in advance in case you don’t…

Where M and B are set in stone
Beneath two countries as the road curves
If Thucydides is north of Xenophon
– These lines seem to mark the starting points. They are physical locations that are not seen in the images. These lines are independent of the image, but nonetheless mark the starting point. While the image does contain visual confirmers, I’ve begun to think they are not confirming the starting location or even the route, but rather the city you should be in.

I think verses and images are a whole mix of clues; stuff where you start, stuff where you finish, stuff you see en route, ideas for the state or city and probably the odd red herring.
It would be cool to take a trip to Boston. Do you reckon you’ll be going…? Is this one of the closer casques for you…?

Here’s a candidate spot.
Many elements are in the image, the “S” logo across the street above an iron gate, the globes, the double circular armature shape, the basic outline of the “green tower of lights”, and the box (outlined in pink).
I like that you can stand in a place with your back to the stairs and face the water.  Starting at the stairs and walking west, find tje spot where the green post lines up with the nearest lamp globe and at that point walk five steps towards the water.

Mothers Rest is the female part, perhaps the Lief Ericson statue nearby is the male.  He is facing west.

WhiteRabbit

I think verses and images are a whole mix of clues; stuff where you start, stuff where you finish, stuff you see en route, ideas for the state or city and probably the odd red herring.
It would be cool to take a trip to Boston. Do you reckon you’ll be going…? Is this one of the closer casques for you…?

You are right about the soup of clues we get in the images. I just stopped trying to make sense of them. I am in Raleigh, NC, so this site is not close. I wouldn’t pass on the opportunity however, since the answer seems so clear and I can narrow it down to a very small spot. It has been annoying me that I can’t do the same for Roanoke Island, as I often travel the Outer Banks.

Glossiphoniidae

A green tower of lights
In the middle section
The Prudential Tower is on the Green T line between streets 2 and 3 as you walk by (appearing on your left).

Is there something inside the park that would be better as the middle section?

actually that makes a lot of sense
and that verifies what the fives steps are, which has always been a big question

So if you left Copland square
and headed down boylston 5 stops
you are headed in the direction of a statue of a man
whiich is right at the entrance to mothers rest.
you can see it from google street view right where Boylston hits the park crossing fenway.
Anybody know who it is a statue of?
on the back of the statue are 3 more figures.

It’s the O’Reilly memorial people keep mentioning:
http://www.yeodoug.com/resources/dc_fre … eilly.html

Thanks, Got it now!

Why would he not say six steps and put you on Fenway instead of stopping a good distance short on Massachusetts?

TJ, thanks for that info. Once I have a rep in Boston, I would plan to hire a GPR service.
Alternatively, I’m thinking of purchasing a GPR. Once I’m done with it, I can loan it out to searchers in other cities.
As for which GPR to buy, any suggestions?

The power of Google maps nowadays is amazing, with the interior paths of parks like Boston Common now mapped, and 3D tilting aerial views. I’ve just been swooping round Boston, and it actually gave me some hope that we might still be able to make some progress on this puzzle.
Boston interests me since we know the verse and image with a high degree of certainty, but we still don’t know which park we’re looking at. I think this could be one of the more profitable puzzles to investigate.

tanban

http://tinypic.com/r/21mulxf/9
http://tinypic.com/r/2q3q1oj/9
I had my digger use survey flags which are essentially 2 foot needles to poke into the ground in and around the entire lot behind the pump building. We chose to dig this specific spot in the 2C area because of these verses “your back to the stairs” and “face the water” and many image references from the picture. We poked these into our hole after we dug reaching around 4 feet in depth. We also inserted our survey flags sideways into the hole to check the surrounding 2 foot radius around our hole. We considered the grey boxes in the image to be an direct reference (like the columns from image 4) to the grey electrical boxes in the very same lot we dug. We are still feel confident the casque is in the area, happy hunting.

Nice! Good work!

erexere

…make a call to an expert in handling the GPR and get their rate quote. I want someone to give me a real number to work with…
I’m not concerned with digging yet, first and foremost I just want some actual GPR data to support a legitimate dig attempt.

Eric-
This isn’t actual GPR data, but from talking with three companies (in the Charleston area for comparison), and here is what I can tell you and what I asked them:
Price is: $600-1800 (for 4 hours to an entire day, but no more than)
Permission. Take that for what you will. I asked what they knew about permission and if they needed anything signed/cooperating with the city to perform the work. Their responses:
-one said they didn’t care, as it wasn’t their job, since their job was to come in and
scan, but didn’t see a problem if there was no permit
-another said that I would need a permit to scan a city park
-the last one said that they didn’t know if a permit was needed, as it was usually
handled by the contractors that hire them
Confidence. I asked them about their confidence level as to if they thought they could find an ~8″ hollow ceramic box…
-one said “yes”
-one said “probably”
-one said “not likely”
Anyway, just some info…mileage may vary city to city…

tanban

I respectfully disagree. You likely won’t get permission from a public official for a legal dig in a public area within Boston City limits. I’ve heard many stories of people trying, but have not been successful. I’m not advising people to go tear up well manicured places and parks and draw police attention which would prevent other’s access in the future. I’m just trying to show that you have more resources than you might think if you honestly believe you know where the casque is. If you think you know one specific hole to dig, why jump through a year of hoops only to get your request shut down time and again. Eventually, you’ll want to know if its there or not. As for your final critique, I suggest offering your digger an extra finders reward, they won’t hang up the call. Happy hunting

No, I don’t think you will either. Not in most cities. Some seem cooperative, but it’s getting harder and harder to find someone willing to listen and consider it. NOLA seemed friendly to the idea, and apparently SF, if you had a relationship built with them.
At some point, someone has to dig.

tjgrey

Nice! Good work!

+1
It’s rare these days for someone to dig a hole and post a pic, let alone in a plausible location – and that was one of my favourites. Nice one.

Yes, I’ll get some high-res scans of those other bits online ASAP. Unfortunately I have to go away on business for a day or two but I’ll try to get them up over the weekend.

look at this in boston common:
couldn’t this be our feather in the oval:
http://www.storyofboston.com/articles/g … _monument/
that feather has occupied me, i was trying to do a rebus, like “dart”  (the feather)  and “mouth” because her mouth is so prominent, hahaha
does anyone else see everything i see with boston common?

boogieman

I just drew in the words, in different colored letters like yours, “Its under the church” meaning the casque is buried under the church.  I’ve been away for a few days so the funny part of it has faded a bit.  The funny part for me was that it was a pain in the butt to do, but I did laugh my head off after I posted it…

You know, I did see that—after i said I couldn’t read it, I suddenly READ it. DUH….
It was funny! (still is.) Nice work.
Slappy, I just don’t think The Common is going to be the location, though there are some mighty tempting places and items there.

one piece of information i found interesting about boston’s islands, but only because of Image 2, there is a Spectacle Island, so called because at low tide  it looks like a pair of glasses.  i know image 2 is charleston, why would he put spectacle island on there? just to show it’s on the coast?
deer island has egg shaped sludge digesters that are major harbor landmarks and was a major landing point for thousands of refugees from the Irish Potato Famine, in 1850 an almshouse was built to house paupers and the infirms. It has been used for prisons, immigrants, military, orphans and farms.
Sylvia Plath wrote a poem called “Point Shirley” about Deer Island. (Sylvia Plath has come up in one of the other verses about a lighthouse).
1/3 of the island is park land.

Well spotted.
Perhaps you could imagine the image as representing the “61” pavement bent round in a circle.
Hey look, BP even put “2C” in the corner as a confirmer.  😉

WhiteRabbit

Hey look, BP even put “2C” in the corner as a confirmer.

Was thinking this was actually just a “2,” with a very similar use to that of the “L” in the Cleveland solve. Research the 2… it puts an interesting perspective on the use of the first two lines.

Is there a dig day planned for this site yet?

erexere

Is there a dig day planned for this site yet?

No, but I really want to be the one to dig it up, with everyone’s help of coass. I’ve shared a few of my revelations in hopes that we could bounce a few ideas about the clues back-and-forth first. Especially about the formulation or the verses, the use of imagery, and the alignment of clues from prior solves to those unsolved. For instance, and interpretation of “with metal walls / face the water.” I can take this to mean the electrical box, which is made of metal walls, one of which faces the water. A much more straight forward clue than  “cars” or something similar. As I said earlier, what I’ve found is enlightening, it’s just a lot to put on paper in one post.
On a side note, I ran a meeting last week with a surgeon who lives on Boylston. I’m trying to get him to get me some photos by next week.
Did you research the 2/20… route 2?

I’ll bite. That’s a really good match! And it is mere steps away from our “2C” location. But has the sidewalk been torn up in the last 31 years?
I like the inclusion of the Citgo sign, given its iconic status (which surely would have been known to a young BP at Harvard).

The sidewalk has, but the curb has not, meaning the shape and size of the slabs has not changed because they were inset. In fact, the newer slabs are connected to the older slabs about 5 slabs down. You can tell the newer slabs were laid almost identical to what they must have been prior. That’s not to say the 4/9 looking area wasn’t different then, but the lamp position didn’t change, and the easiest way to form sidewalk slabs would be the Utah shape, not a U shape (meaning cutout for the lamp in the middle of a slab rather than the corner). Professional masons would always make the Utah form if possible. IMHO.

sounds and looks promising.  very good.

Wow! It would make total sense for the window frame to be a wrap-around representation of a straight sidewalk. What we desperately need now is a photograph of that sidewalk c. 1981.

There are quite a few images of the sidewalk on the overpass, which contains the original concrete.

Fold the image like a hotdog, then hold it to the sun.
There are four outward arching lines on the top of the circle, and one on each side (these two are very short and hit edges of image). The three lines on the left (beveled) can align with the three lines on the right (raised), The line rounding the interior of the bottom half of the circle matches. The interior and exterior rims of the circle match.
bevel, hmm, sliding
T
belvel?
what state is boston in?
or perhaps… what park?
I like the star over the moon… lamplight atop bridge? lol…ok, strechin’.
try it yourself if you want to see the rest of the overlay  😛

That’s pretty amazing…

(So you’re folding the page in half and then looking through the folded page…? Should make a nice bridge arch. What does the whole thing look like rotated?)

WhiteRabbit

(So you’re folding the page in half and then looking through the folded page…? Should make a nice bridge arch. What does the whole thing look like rotated?)

Glossiphoniidae

try it yourself if you want to see the rest of the overlay

Yes, fold it like a hotdog and then hold it up to the light.
This comment stands.

Xieish

Whomever was there this weekend, I hope you got arrested
Just got an e-mail from the park telling me that MA state police responded to a call of someone digging somewhere near the Esplanade.

Seriously? People, man!

erexere

Xiesh, you have good reason for your objections, but what do we really know for sure at this point? Too little is for
The Landlords Tale seems like a good fit for three of the short lines of verse. 18th day, 12th hour, and feel at home. Why not give a smidgen of credibility to the Somerset idea?

Why does your Somerset idea deserve a smidgen of credibility? It’s just so complicated – unnecessarily so. Xieish’s current idea matches the poem and the image, and it does so VERY SIMPLY. You don’t have to make assumptions… remember how you thought it had to do with exile because the poem started with the word “If”?
If his new idea is not fruitful after the dig he put all sorts of time and effort into getting approval for, then it’s certainly reasonable to re-visit old ideas. But why, at this point, are the more convoluted ideas even being mentioned? There is finally a proposed solution that matches the poem AND the image, and doesn’t require google maps to find two C’s that might match up with “all the letters are here to see.”
Let’s just wait until he gets in there and digs it out w/ the parks department. There are so many easy matches with this solution – I am 100% on board. And permission has been granted to dig it… so there WILL be an answer here.
Good work xieish!

I think we’re getting too far afield here with this image and Boston, Slaps. Though I truly appreciate your dogged determination!! It’s amazing and helpful!!
However–I don’t believe the ‘truth’ quote on the Christian Science church is close enough, nor most of the architectural elements, especially when we had images from Trinity that were spot on. I mean not just ‘close’ but exact. The courtyard at Copley is also more like the collar and cuff designs; there are “stairs” and “water” there, and Xenophon and Thucydides as well. There is also a “middle section” and a “green tower of lights” (or VERY close to it,) there. The elements are closer and more alike in Copley than in the Commons, though the Commons is tempting for other reasons.  However, “all the letters”, the Black Falcon, the Paul Revere reference, the coliseum, “metal walls” and “lit by lamplight” are elsewhere.  So what to do? I feel like I’ve seen every square inch of that city in photos–there are over 100,000 of them on this internet thing of ours–and I swear I’ve been through most of them!! LOL….
Our trouble is that EITHER that casque WAS buried in the BPL courtyard, and is now gone, or in the OLD Copley square and is now gone, or we’re so far off base we are in the wrong city altogether (I don’t think we are, but…..Google “Chateau Frontenac” in Quebec for a peek at what I mean!)
I’m not planning to travel to Boston anytime soon either–though it might be a possibility in the summertime, if no one else digs it up before then.
Until then, I’m sort of tapped out on this one. I can’t wait to see what you got in Charleston, though!
Note: I WILL be traveling to Louisville KY on Feb. 25-27–so if anyone believes we have something to look at there, I can take photos.

shecrab

I think we’re getting too far afield here with this image and Boston, Slaps. Though I truly appreciate your dogged determination!! It’s amazing and
Note: I WILL be traveling to Louisville KY on Feb. 25-27–so if anyone believes we have something to look at there, I can take photos.

*lol*  Need I chime in.  Hopefully come spring I can have someone dig me a hole…. we’ll see.

okay guys, i’ve tried to move away from boston common but i’m stuck here.
if you look at the christian science church:
http://www.sacred-destinations.com/usa/ … church.htm
you see the “truth” quote
and if you look at the picture, the church grounds are shaped just like the box, and if you follow the light beams to where the fairy is you’d end up there at the commons
here are some pictures from the church that have elements of the image:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/catabell/5 … otostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/catabell/5 … otostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/catabell/56043758/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/catabell/5 … t-1190657/
follow the fairy out to where she is holding the gem
if you google earth the address is 175 huntington avenue
i really like this armchair hunting, but i’m sure i’m not ever going to be in boston (it is beautiful!)
so stay tuned, (lol) for my charleston hunting, i’ve been there once and did a fast tour of cthree’s white point gardens and fort sumter and sullivan’s island, and it doesn’t look like i’ll be going back down there, so i’ll post some ideas i had and some pictures, ok?

i forgot to mention, that i really think the “all the letters are here to see” is for John Hancock’s signature on the Declaration of Independence plaque.
i don’t think i stressed that part before.

I actually missed the post from a few months ago pointing out that the specific lamp in question may not have been there in 1981. I haven’t been able to get a yes or no on that, though it really only changes whether or not the pattern is a match, or whether or not it was just located under a lamp. The verse is still 100% “compliant,” and it’s possible that the newer lamp’s resemble the light from the box solely as a coincidence.
IMO it doesn’t impact much. If I found out the lamp itself was not there in 1981, that’s a horse of a different color, but it isn’t enough to change my opinion of the spot, which I still believe is the correct one.
The compass is integral to the solve, but not in the way that you guys are thinking. There are two “Polaroid” shots taken from the compass. One is the “holy ****” starting location Polaroid (it’s the painting flipped upside down, the portal is the compass and the 3 sections of the Gypsy’s dress are the Prudential Building, Boston’s ‘iconic building’ hidden in the painting). The second is a smaller Polaroid that appears in the words carved on the compass.

I actually missed the post from a few months ago pointing out that the specific lamp in question may not have been there in 1981. I haven’t been able to get a yes or no on that, though it really only changes whether or not the pattern is a match, or whether or not it was just located under a lamp. The verse is still 100% “compliant,” and it’s possible that the newer lamp’s resemble the light from the box solely as a coincidence.
IMO it doesn’t impact much. If I found out the lamp itself was not there in 1981, that’s a horse of a different color, but it isn’t enough to change my opinion of the spot, which I still believe is the correct one.
The
compass
is integral to the solve, but not in the way that you guys are thinking. There are two “Polaroid” shots taken from the
compass
. One is the “holy ****” starting location Polaroid (it’s the painting flipped upside down, the portal is the
compass
and the 3 sections of the Gypsy’s dress are the Prudential Building, Boston’s ‘iconic building’ hidden in the painting). The second is a smaller Polaroid that appears in the words carved on the
compass
.

So the statue right at the corner of Boylston and Fenway is of John Boyle O’Reilly and has been there since 1909 or so. He is a renowned poet and I’m sure Byron Preiss would be familiar with his work.
Read this poem about the Pilgrims and coming to the New World.
https://www.poemhunter.com/poem/the-pilgrim-s-fathers/
Here’s the first three lines of the poem:
ONE righteous word for Law—the common will;
One living
truth
of Faith—God regnant still;
One primal test of
Free
dom—all combined;

I just went through a set of aerial photographs from the entire Fenway area.
I was specifically looking to see if there were any sets of stairs that may have existed in the past at the Mothers Rest playground area. The nearest photographs that I have to the time period is from 1978. The aerial isn’t the greatest quality, but there doesn’t seem to be any stairs in that area.
One interesting thing that was there is a building between the playground and the O’Reilly statue. It’s hard to tell when it was removed, but it existed in 1978 and it is gone in 1990. (That is the range of years available to me at the moment.)
One could assume that there were stairs at that building and you could easily have them to your back and face the Muddy River.
I will post a photo comparing 1978 to 1990 in a few minutes.

Here is the comparison between the photos. Sorry if they aren’t the clearest things to look at. Cropping 40 year old aerial photos at 1:65000 scale isn’t quite as simple as google earth.
https://flic.kr/p/FPQNpG

Hey everyone, I’m taking a look at Image 11 which presumably is Boston. The supposed immigration reference is Italy. This image screams space to me. Planets, the moon, etc. Let think about what contributions Boston has made to the space program, probably the Apollo missions. Obviously MIT comes to mind, but it may be more subtle.
When I look at the circle above Dolly Parton’s (erh..Columbus’ head) I see a crater and mountain range. Some people have suggested this was a crack in the sidewalk next to the 2 circle structure in the Charlegate area. I’m not buying that. I believe this to be the Archimedes Crater and Montes Apennine mountain range on the moon.
http://apollo.sese.asu.edu/LIW/20080219.html
I believe the Montes Apenine is named after the terrestrial range in, you guessed it…Italy.
https://www.britannica.com/place/Apennine-Range
This range is made up of marine rocks (at least in places). This brings us back to Archimedes and the crater. There is a thing formerly known in the 1890s as Archimedes Limestone, so named because it contains fossils of Archimedes, a marine type shell. Not sure if this part matters. But Limestone in general was typically used in construction of older buildings.
https://arkansasgeological.wordpress.co … rchimedes/
What I’m getting at, is that there may be some clues here.
Limestone, Archimedes, Italy, Space Program, features in the city that look like the mountain range, etc.
Am I knocking anything loose for you searchers?

I am very new to this forum, but I have been hunting in Boston for quite some time.
I finally broke down and joined in an attempt to learn more about things that I have been missing and to get an idea of if my potential solutions have been discussed here in the past. I am still perusing the vast volumes of posts, so this may have been discussed and eliminated in the past.
Something that I initially thought that might be relevant sort of parallels gMan’s last post. From research that I did about X and T. I always put X at the Boston Public Library because he was a historian and a writer. I always categorized T as more of a Scientist than a writer.
This leads to X at BPL and T at the Boston Museum of Science. Which are located roughly North-South of each other. The MOS also has a large dome and a planetarium on the roof. Clearly visible from most of the Charles river area.
I’m not sure if his helps anyone refine a solution, but hopefully it is accepted as useful.

Who on here is in Boston or the surrounding area that can get boots on the ground?
I’m having a hard time believing that the casque is by the 2 circles and old pump house as proposed by many and detailed on the wiki site.
http://thesecret.pbworks.com/w/page/86303044/Image%2011
Sorry if is a faux pas to link the wiki site here.
If we look at probable paths to take from the presumed start point of Boston Public Library, this only works if you stroll down Commonwealth Avenue Mall, which I could see BP doing. This allows you to pass by the 2 circle structure, the Citgo sign and Fenway Park
on the way to
main part of Back Bay Fens. The 2 circle structure is essentially cut off from the rest of the Fens due to the horrible overpass they built in the 1950s.
https://charlesgatealliance.org/history/
I think the casque is near Mothers Rest. I believe that there used to be stairs all throughout the park, but maybe have since been replaced with ramps for handicap access.
Have a look through this old master plan document:
https://archive.org/details/emeraldnecklacep00walm
I will note that on Page 80, there is a photo of an area by Charlesgate that had stairs and a bunch of the lights. This are may be worth investigating.
As for the Verses in V3, there really isn’t anything that specifically says, the treasure is here.
I’m thinking the solution is: back to the stairs (that used to be there), facing the water in Mothers Rest, 18 something, 12 something, near a lightpost, free the treasure.
Going back to Image 11, it is possible that all of the globes and bubbles indicate perspective . Maybe from the treasure site, you can see five lights.

gManTexas

If we look at probable paths to take from the presumed start point of Boston Public Library

Unknown

Unknown:
If Thucydides is
North of Xenophon
Take five steps
In the area of his direction

Although it’s usually assumed that the verse describes a trail from A to B, there’s not much evidence that this is the case. At the Fountain of Youth, for example, the verse references a number of specific things, various signs around the grounds, but I’ve never seen anyone plot a logical course on a map. Even in Chicago, the lines don’t take you from one place to the next in logical order. Some seem more orderly, like Milwaukee, but in general, I don’t believe in “start points” for each verse. There’s usually just a medley of references to things in the general vicinity.
*edit*
OK, so that does sound like a direction from the BPL, I admit. (Though it possibly might not be. It’s unfathomable.)

I am a land surveyor in Boston. I work there every day and I am more familiar with the layout of the city than I care to be. (Occupational hazard).
I can say this for sure, the ground is currently frozen. It’s not impossible to dig, but you want to make sure you have a pretty well defined area to invest your efforts in. Probes will not work, I have tried multiple places recently.
If anyone can work out a well defined spot to dig, point the way. I am willing to beat through the frost if it yields a casque.

WhiteRabbit

Although it’s usually assumed that the verse describes a trail from A to B, there’s not much evidence that this is the case. At the Fountain of Youth, for example, the verse references a number of specific things, various signs around the grounds, but I’ve never seen anyone plot a logical course on a map. Even in Chicago, the lines don’t take you from one place to the next in logical order. So, in general, I don’t believe in “start points”. There’s usually just a medley of references to things in the general vicinity.
The casque could be anywhere, but I haven’t seen many clues for Mother’s Rest. It originated with a supposed connection to “Feel at home”, but I’m not convinced.

That doesn’t make sense to me. The hunt was designed as a walking adventure. Yes, there may be elements in the image and verses that confirm location that are not on the specific path, but I think there is a path. The verse lines seem to be jumbled to throw people off a bit. Some verses have the casque location in the beginning, some in the middle, etc.
Another reason I don’t think it’s in the 2 circle area is that it has never been a very desirable location. Lots of homeless people, trash, etc. Although the Fens was a bit run down in the late 1970s, I believe the historical value is there and they were doing revitalization around that time. I think the Charlesgate area got left out of the mix.
Feel at home could just reference the WWII “Home Front” effort, e.g. Victory Gardens. Mother’s Rest is an ideal place to bury something.

gManTexas

Who on here is in Boston or the surrounding area that can get boots on the ground?
I’m having a hard time believing that the casque is by the 2 circles and old pump house as proposed by many and detailed on the wiki site.
http://thesecret.pbworks.com/w/page/86303044/Image%2011
Sorry if is a faux pas to link the wiki site here.
If we look at probable paths to take from the presumed start point of Boston Public Library, this only works if you stroll down Commonwealth Avenue Mall, which I could see BP doing. This allows you to pass by the 2 circle structure, the Citgo sign and Fenway Park
on the way to
main part of Back Bay Fens. The 2 circle structure is essentially cut off from the rest of the Fens due to the horrible overpass they built in the 1950s.
https://charlesgatealliance.org/history/
I think the casque is near Mothers Rest. I believe that there used to be stairs all throughout the park, but maybe have since been replaced with ramps for handicap access.
Have a look through this old master plan document:
https://archive.org/details/emeraldnecklacep00walm
I will note that on Page 80, there is a photo of an area by Charlesgate that had stairs and a bunch of the lights. This are may be worth investigating.
As for the Verses in V3, there really isn’t anything that specifically says, the treasure is here.
I’m thinking the solution is: back to the stairs (that used to be there), facing the water in Mothers Rest, 18 something, 12 something, near a lightpost, free the treasure.
Going back to Image 11, it is possible that all of the globes and bubbles indicate perspective . Maybe from the treasure site, you can see five lights.

I am, I was there at the v gardens and mothers rest last weekend. I live here. I agree with you as well. Nothing to do with the 2 Cs, which is actually a C and a G for Charlesgate.

BINGO

I am a land surveyor in Boston. I work there every day and I am more familiar with the layout of the city than I care to be. (Occupational hazard).
I can say this for sure, the ground is currently frozen. It’s not impossible to dig, but you want to make sure you have a pretty well defined area to invest your efforts in. Probes will not work, I have tried multiple places recently.
If anyone can work out a well defined spot to dig, point the way. I am willing to beat through the frost if it yields a casque.

It may have to wait until the thaw. Wouldn’t hurt to go scope out some possible locations, and if you are a surveyor, you should have access to old prints and topo maps. Find where the missing stairs were and I think you will find the casque location.

gManTexas

That doesn’t make sense to me. The hunt was designed as a walking adventure. Yes, there may be elements in the image and verses that confirm location that are not on the specific path, but I think there is a path. The verse lines seem to be jumbled to throw people off a bit. Some verses have the casque location in the beginning, some in the middle, etc.
Another reason I don’t think it’s in the 2 circle area is that it has never been a very desirable location. Lots of homeless people, trash, etc. Although the Fens was a bit run down in the late 1970s, I believe the historical value is there and they were doing revitalization around that time. I think the Charlesgate area got left out of the mix.
Feel at home could just reference the WWII “Home Front” effort, e.g. Victory Gardens. Mother’s Rest is an ideal place to bury something.

Also feel at home could be connected to one of the purposes of the victory gardens

It’s great to have people on the ground in Boston. If someone has time, I’m still interested in the area around the Hatch Shell as a possible site. Here’s a reminder of a few of the old ideas.
If Thucydides is
North of Xenophon
Take five steps
In the area of his direction
Starting at Thucydides on the BPL and taking five steps in the direction of Xenophon, you end up at Shaw.
The Hatch Shell was designed by Richard Shaw.
(There’s also a
memorial
to a different Shaw at Boston Common.)
Possible image matches…?
Eighteenth Day
Twelfth Hour
Beside the Hatch Shell there’s a
howitzer
for performances of the 1812 Overture.
With metal walls
Arthur Fiedler footbridge…?
There’s water and stairs…all very speculative, but if anyone felt like taking a wander round there and looking at the statues it would be interesting if anything came to mind.

Has anyone figured out what that transparent piece of glass to the right of the bottom globe in the image is?

gManTexas

Has anyone figured out what that transparent piece of glass to the right of the bottom globe in the image is?

I think those two square shapes with the ball between them, and the general image, have been associated with the statue of Science at the BPL…but I don’t remember people commenting on the transparency.

WhiteRabbit

It’s great to have people on the ground in Boston. If someone has time, I’m still interested in the area around the Hatch Shell as a possible site. Here’s a reminder of a few of the old ideas.
If Thucydides is
North of Xenophon
Take five steps
In the area of his direction
Starting at Thucydides on the BPL and taking five steps in the direction of Xenophon, you end up at Shaw.
The Hatch Shell was designed by Richard Shaw.
(There’s also a
memorial
to a different Shaw at Boston Common.)
Possible image matches…?
Eighteenth Day
Twelfth Hour
Beside the Hatch Shell there’s a
howitzer
for performances of the 1812 Overture.
With metal walls
Arthur Fiedler footbridge…?
There’s water and stairs…all very speculative, but if anyone felt like taking a wander round there and looking at the statues it would be interesting if anything came to mind.

I spent a couple hours walking the entire esplanade just the other day. Nothing at the hatch shell really stood out to me. I looked at every statue, read every plaque and analyzed every set of stairs that I could find.
All of the granite stairs lead to the waters edge and onto T shaped docks. There are multiple sets of stairs and docks.
One thing that did seem to make a little sense was at the Storrow compass rose. The only set of stairs that you can put to your back and look at the water is at the compass rose. You aren’t actually looking at water, but the inscription of “Watertown” is the first thing you look at when facing the compass rose. There are plenty of trees and benches in that area, but again, nothing that points to an obvious dig spot.
If there is anything specific in the area that you would like checked out, let me know, I will take pictures and research whatever is needed.

WhiteRabbit

It’s great to have people on the ground in Boston. If someone has time, I’m still interested in the area around the Hatch Shell as a possible site. Here’s a reminder of a few of the old ideas.
If Thucydides is
North of Xenophon
Take five steps
In the area of his direction
Starting at Thucydides on the BPL and taking five steps in the direction of Xenophon, you end up at Shaw.
The Hatch Shell was designed by Richard Shaw.
(There’s also a
memorial
to a different Shaw at Boston Common.)
Possible image matches…?
Eighteenth Day
Twelfth Hour
Beside the Hatch Shell there’s a
howitzer
for performances of the 1812 Overture.
With metal walls
Arthur Fiedler footbridge…?
There’s water and stairs…all very speculative, but if anyone felt like taking a wander round there and looking at the statues it would be interesting if anything came to mind.

I spent a couple hours walking the entire esplanade just the other day. Nothing at the hatch shell really stood out to me. I looked at every statue, read every plaque and analyzed every set of stairs that I could find.
All of the granite stairs lead to the waters edge and onto T shaped docks. There are multiple sets of stairs and docks.
One thing that did seem to make a little sense was at the Storrow
compass
rose. The only set of stairs that you can put to your back and look at the water is at the
compass
rose. You aren’t actually looking at water, but the inscription of “Watertown” is the first thing you look at when facing the
compass
rose. There are plenty of trees and benches in that area, but again, nothing that points to an obvious dig spot.
If there is anything specific in the area that you would like checked out, let me know, I will take pictures and research whatever is needed.

BINGO

I spent a couple hours walking the entire esplanade just the other day. Nothing at the hatch shell really stood out to me. I looked at every statue, read every plaque and analyzed every set of stairs that I could find.

OK! Thanks Bingo…

WhiteRabbit

OK! Thanks Bingo…

If this is considered a hot area, we might need to move quicker than expected. The Hatch Shell is currently undergoing a face lift. Not sure if there are plans to change the grounds, but the clam shell itself is completely engulfed in staging and construction barriers for the time being.

Could it be these stairs, which I believe are still present?
http://olmsted.nonprofitsoapbox.com/sto … _image.jpg
Or these?
https://foursquare.com/v/mothers-rest-p … a9fba4a70c
I’m thinking maybe in the stand of trees behind the John Boyle O’Reilly statue. Down the hill at the base of the stairs. Take 18 steps forward and 12 steps to the left.

BINGO

If this is considered a hot area, we might need to move quicker than expected. The Hatch Shell is currently undergoing a face lift. Not sure if there are plans to change the grounds, but the clam shell itself is completely engulfed in staging and construction barriers for the time being.

I’m not feeling it. Too many people around, too little cover for someone to bury or dig. Plus, we have to consider the context of the book. Conservation and preservation. Celebrating nature versus strictly man. My chips are on Back Bay Fens.

gManTexas

I’m not feeling it. Too many people around, too little cover for someone to bury or dig. Plus, we have to consider the context of the book. Conservation and preservation. Celebrating nature versus strictly man. My chips are on Back Bay Fens.

I don’t know what to think anymore. This has been a multiple year journey of dead ends for me. The only thing I have to show for my efforts is a piece of unrelated porcelain, a tiny piece of skinny plexiglass and a red ball point pen that I dug out of the same hole. All of which have been confirmed as coincidence and unrelated to the hunt.
I have been beaten into submission and at the point where I have to take advice from others to bring this to a conclusion. I am all ears, keep the suggestions coming and I will follow through to the best of my ability. Even if I have to revisit areas that I considered a dead end.

BINGO

I don’t know what to think anymore. This has been a multiple year journey of dead ends for me. The only thing I have to show for my efforts is a piece of unrelated porcelain, a tiny piece of skinny plexiglass and a red ball point pen that I dug out of the same hole. All of which have been confirmed as coincidence and unrelated to the hunt.
I have been beaten into submission and at the point where I have to take advice from others to bring this to a conclusion. I am all ears, keep the suggestions coming and I will follow through to the best of my ability. Even if I have to revisit areas that I considered a dead end.

I hear you, it can get frustrating, and it’s quite possible that the casque is gone. I have not seen many people talk about digging around in Mothers Rest. It’s just an unassuming playground, right? Well, the other areas where all the clues are in the park can either not be dug (gardens, monuments, in the open) or are in a place where people dig all the time (V Gardens). Again, my bet is near the bridge in Mothers Rest in those trees.

Actually, I think the lid of the box is Beacon Street. The Paul Revere clue indicates that we should be looking for a beacon. The hinge of the top is at Kenmore Sq. If the lid goes to Massachusetts Ave, the relative “box” would enclose Fenway and the Back Bay Fens. The image on the box appears to be Boston University, which has an observatory, hence the space theme in the image that I mentioned a few posts back. The two blue areas between Dolly Parton’s waist and the sash hanging down form the shape of the muddy river split by the off ramp at Charlesgate when viewed on the map.
It’s all coming together.

gManTexas

Actually, I think the lid of the box is Beacon Street. The Paul Revere clue indicates that we should be looking for a beacon. The hinge of the top is at Kenmore Sq. If the lid goes to Massachusetts Ave, the relative “box” would enclose Fenway and the Back Bay Fens. The image on the box appears to be Boston University, which has an observatory, hence the space theme in the image that I mentioned a few posts back. The two blue areas between Dolly Parton’s waist and the sash hanging down form the shape of the muddy river split by the off ramp at Charlesgate when viewed on the map.
It’s all coming together.

That is so crazy, I just said that to someone a few days ago, including James Renner haha. I said that the lid is a book and you can clearly see the pages. Also the wings on that bird are a map of the roads just outside the victory gardens. I’ll post an image. It’s Boylston, charlesgate, etc. Take a look. Also I feel like the marking that the 2 C crowd mistakes for a 4 in the sidewalk cracks, is actually a 9 for Boylston St. the lines in the cirlce also represent a map for those exact roads.

strike13

That is so crazy, I just said that to someone a few days ago, including James Renner haha. I said that the lid is a book and you can clearly see the pages. Also the wings on that bird are a map of the roads just outside the victory gardens. I’ll post an image. It’s Boylston, charlesgate, etc. Take a look. Also I feel like the marking that the 2 C crowd mistakes for a 4 in the sidewalk cracks, is actually a 9 for Boylston St. the lines in the cirlce also represent a map for those exact roads.

Perfect! Scribble something on a map and show us!

strike13

That is so crazy, I just said that to someone a few days ago, including James Renner haha. I said that the lid is a book and you can clearly see the pages. Also the wings on that bird are a map of the roads just outside the victory gardens. I’ll post an image. It’s Boylston, charlesgate, etc. Take a look. Also I feel like the marking that the 2 C crowd mistakes for a 4 in the sidewalk cracks, is actually a 9 for Boylston St. the lines in the cirlce also represent a map for those exact roads.

I have more to add too, but I need to finish something at work. Stay tuned

Sorry…I will have to do it this way quickly
https://imgur.com/a/5WxnX

strike13

Sorry…I will have to do it this way quickly
https://imgur.com/a/5WxnX

Not really seeing it, but if we go with that, those trees in the lower right corner is where the bird, and you, want to dig,

Also the claw and the brightly colored circle at the top of the bird’s stand are the passthrus under the bridge. i was convinced for a while that the brightly colored circle was a lightbulb, still could be, i go back and forth.

gManTexas

Not really seeing it, but if we go with that, there trees in the lower right corner is where the bird, and you, want to dig,

do you also see how the shape of a woman’s face faces the water….the victory gardens outline a face. i did notice this too…the fences outside look like what the bird is standing on.
https://imgur.com/a/FIzOm

Chateau Laurier in Ottawa
I have to admit…that is a decent match…even has the offset windows on the towers….
but…
still think this is a better match…
Park Plaza Castle in Boston

boogieman

Hey Fox, have you read this post about the Boston Jubilee?  You must schroll down to read the first part of the article, which was wriiten in 1872.  I’ve even discarded this idea some time ago but maybe someone else can find something in it.
http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr … ref=slogin

This must have been posted while my comp was down and I was following the board on my cellphone which couldn’t do the links.  WOW, that is really cool.  Just another thing to make you go hmmmmmmmm

Just a thought here.  If the rectangular outline on P1’s robe is indeed a representation of GGP in San Fran, than couldn’t our P11 lady’s robe hold a park map as well?  Yes, I Know…… city parks are usually rectangular
.  There is a nice rectangular park (which I believe we focused on for a while) not far from Copley Sq called the Boston Public Gardens.  While scouring the 12,000+ pics of this park on Flickr, I came across this (
http://flickr.com/photos/ondionais/1688 … 492618283/
) note the interesting comment posted under the picture.

There are also many of these “rough looking” globes around the park.

Hope springs eternal
Here is another possible match to the box image Chateau Laurier in Ottawa. I must say it is closer then any other thing we have found thus far. It also looks like it could fit verse 3 sort of. I will keep looking and let you know of aything eles I find.
Another interesting area is the Rideau Canal area certainly could go with lit by lamp light.
I guess we can disagree on this one going to Boston.

Help please:  any longitude/latitudes in Canada with 111, 112, or 113 degrees?  I think this pic may be the Canadian one, and not Salt Lake City as previously thought.

It seems that there is writing above and along the top of the globe/orb in the lower right corner of the pic.  I tried a magnifying glass, but I could not be conclusive.
Can someone with the book do some computer magic?

i moved this discussion
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I’ll work on it, but I’m not sure Verse 3 actually refers to Boston.
Regarding Image 11 (which shouldn’t be in this topic cw0909):
– I don’t think longitude and latitude correspond to the location of the buried casque.
– I don’t think #41 above the door is used for longitude/latitude. (Perhaps 1941)
– I think #112 is important to identify the site, but doesn’t correspond to a longitude/latitude. (Perhaps 112 people)
– I think #42 (or #24) could represent a few different things. (It can be both the day of a baptism and a death)
I’m not sure #71 is purposeful — although if it is, #71/#42 could represent a statue artist’s birthplace.
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The rest of the facts just go hand in hand to identify the site and where it is buried.  (And by the way I think Preiss intended the hunters to find two of the jewels at once, both of which in close proximity using Image 3/Verse 5 and Image 11/Verse 11.)
from
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me off topic
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welcome trunkflare
what img would you pair v3 to if not img 11
sorry dont mean to take it off topic, just wondering
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sorry dont want to cause confusion for discussions, which i prob already have
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Oh Yea!

OR if you find “his” in the reference,
it may indicate that you follow his
direction:  (finger point, ‘go west’, a raised sword)
John Copley statue was placed in the square in 1992.
(he is not the his)

“If Thucydides is
North of Xenophon
Take five steps
In the area of his direction”
Well, what if Thucydides is
not
North of Xenophon like you guys say?  Do you take five steps away from his direction?
Could BP be telling us just that.  It should read “Thucydides is North of Xenophon, take 5 steps in the area of his direction”.
Why the
if
?

my take on this, though i haven’t really worked with it much, was that the 5 steps were 5 blocks. the tower of lights (perhaps a grouping of traffic lights hanging from a single mast-type thing. thats my 2 cents for the morning. oh yea, good morning all!

If Thucydides is
North of Xenophon
Take five steps
In the area of his direction
A paraphrase of how I understand the beginning of the verse:
Find a place where Thucydides is north of Xenophon.
Good. Now that you’ve found it, look around for five
steps and walk up them. The meaning of the “his
direction” bit should be obvious if you’re in the right place.

Both are reasonable possibilities. I think once you find Thucydides and Xenophon, the rest will fall into place.
And I think it is either deliberate or a
mind-boggling coincidence
that the names Thucydides and Xenophon appear both in Verse 3 and at the casque site for P4/V4.
I mean, c’mon already!
Thucydides
and
Xenophon??
What are the odds?
And if it’s deliberate… why?
An aside: It’s interesting that T and X’s pal Polybius is named between them on the face of the Boston Public Library. He invented the 5×5 Polybius square that was the key to finding most of the tokens in
A Treasure’s Trove
(
five steps
in his direction)?

The coincidence may be part of ‘The Secret’ connection
between the sites. (the connector would be specifcally
mentioned/referenced in one casque site, while the connected
site would have no mention but ‘there they are’)
Another example… Sullivan Island ‘solve’ uses the image of
a Lion and the nearby street ‘L’ON’ as a confirmer.  The
Milwaukee ‘solve’ doesn’t metion a lion at all, but you
need to pass the lion face bridge right before you
walk the 100 steps into the culvert.
Thanks for the repost of the photo.
Looking at the photos, in Cleveland the
order is Xenophon – Thucydides.
In Boston, the order is
Thucydides
Xenophon.
Can we take ‘North’ to ‘higher than’ ?

Trohn

Thucydides
Xenophon.
Can we take ‘North’ to ‘higher than’ ?

Interesting thought.  If so, “Take five steps/In the area of his direction” could simply mean “go up 5 steps”.

“In the area of his direction”
Can ‘area’ be used here in the context
given to be mean ‘a subject of expertise’?
Thucydides was a general and Xenophon
was a poet.
Looking around the square, we have:
-library
-religion
-business
-art
-history
-government
-science
Any solid leads?clues?

Both were historians.  For more info, see the wiki pages for Thucydides (
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thucydides
) and Xenophon (
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenophon
).

Here would be the
“in area of his direction”
in this regard.
http://www.bostonhistory.org
hmm…

In keeping with the theme of Greece and these two Greek Historians, it should be noted that Boston is often called the “Athens of America.”

In the two solved riddles, we know that Preiss relied upon street names as a method to guide the hunter in.
Euclid and Bellflower in the Cleveland solve.
Congress, R is known, in Chicago
Why should we not interpret the following as direct street name references?
Face the water
Your back to the stairs
Feel at home
All the letters
Notice “The Castle” conveniently stage left.
This is my interpretation of the castle:
The castle also has a lot of interesting spheres:
I would hope you find it slightly more compelling than “Let’s just draw a map of Texas on whatever the hell we feel like and call it a match”
If you pick out the wheat from the chaff, you can see that Palencar used similar “camouflage” with Chicago. In other words, don’t stress about the “windows” in image 11, they’re just hair mayonnaise, like the identical windows in Image 5. All of the spires and window dressing meant nothing to what was disguised beneath. The box she is holding is the Boston University Castle and the geography links it with “Back to the water” being the street names. Preiss has proven himself on street names either within the image or the verse. Why would this one be any different?
e: Don’t forget Copley Square Fountain

Merlot, thats a good approach looking for a street identfier. I think ‘back’ in this case actually does pertain to Back street, because the casque is certainly not far from there. I also think “back to the stairs” has a more articulate application. Could it be a reference to the circular ledging of one of the 2 C’s where you start at one side of the stairs, walk the circle and then you find yourself literally “back to the stairs”?
I think the purpose of this is to bring specific attention to that nearest globe.

Tchaikovsky makes a good ‘chicken’ wordplay.
Giant mirrored
S L
on her apron.
PERFECT!

phrabbott

Interesting. Someone on Facebook was recently super excited about Langone Park and I didn’t hate it. It seems totally digable. Apparently it’s slated for full reno, so you’d better hop to. My only thought upon investigating the area was “If I were Preiss, I would have somehow referenced the Molasses flood.”

I tend to agree with you there phrabbott, i believe the molasses flood would have been mentioned. i like some of the ideas with langone, i just do not see it being there, or really even using anything about the stereti rink/indoor bocce as the colessuem. i can talk to some of the construction workers there, as i live across the street from it, to see if they find anything in their renovations, however the only thing i really see going for it is the view of the USS constitution, but i dont think that is good enough. i dont know…i spend nearly every day in or around langone park…and have of course scoured this area over and over and over and over, as i am right here. same w copps hill terrrace.

Looking at were the one of the indentations are, above the blue ball that looks like a globe, it seems to be next to markings that appear to be 42. I followed the markings down the side of the flower and saw the number 22 then the number 6. Seeing that the numbers appear above the North Pole, I’m taking this to mean that the numbers refer to the North coordinates. So it would read: N 42*22’6” . This Latitude runs directly through Langone Park in the North end. Next to the park is Steriti Memorial Rink a “ Coliseum with metal walls”.

Chaveandderie

Looking at were the one of the indentations are, above the blue ball that looks like a globe, it seems to be next to markings that appear to be 42. I followed the markings down the side of the flower and saw the number 22 then the number 6. Seeing that the numbers appear above the North Pole, I’m taking this to mean that the numbers refer to the North coordinates. So it would read: N 42*22’6” . This Latitude runs directly through Langone Park in the North end. Next to the park is Steriti Memorial Rink a “ Coliseum with metal walls”.

Are you local? Can you ho check it out?

Chaveandderie

Looking at were the one of the indentations are, above the blue ball that looks like a globe, it seems to be next to markings that appear to be 42. I followed the markings down the side of the flower and saw the number 22 then the number 6. Seeing that the numbers appear above the North Pole, I’m taking this to mean that the numbers refer to the North coordinates. So it would read: N 42*22’6” . This Latitude runs directly through Langone Park in the North end. Next to the park is Steriti Memorial Rink a “ Coliseum with metal walls”.

Interesting. Someone on Facebook was recently super excited about Langone Park and I didn’t hate it. It seems totally digable. Apparently it’s slated for full reno, so you’d better hop to. My only thought upon investigating the area was “If I were Preiss, I would have somehow referenced the Molasses flood.”

strike13

i dont know…i spend nearly every day in or around langone park…and have of course scoured this area over and over and over and over, as i am right here. same w copps hill terrrace.

Same here with Prospect Park in Brooklyn. It’s going to hurt if casques end up being in these spots. Haha.

gManTexas

Are you local? Can you ho check it out?

*Go, not ho. The Combat Zone was shut down some years ago.

Has anyone here ever received permission to dig in Boston?

rtsbeacon

Has anyone here ever received permission to dig in Boston?

Yes. I know of 3 separate members on this forum that have received permission to dig in Boston.
1 is a silent member who always reads and never posts. 1 has gone basically silent since his dig attempt just a few weeks ago, and the last person just created this reply.

strike13

Go get it then you Bolddigger…otherwise change your handle

The “I can’t get permission and I’m not interested in sharing with people who can” story is getting a bit old.
Maybe he should just go by the handle TH?

dosethree

Does anyone have any good ideas about the symbols on the womans stole? If they are maritime flags, my attempts to decode them have not proved fruitful using
https://www.dcode.fr/maritime-signals-code
Also, I can’t get help but thinking the shape of the birds tail is significant. It’s very distinct. So is the light pattern on the birds body and head. Anyone have any good ideas what they are meant to look like?

The triangle symbol on the stole on the woman’s left side reminds a lot of people of the very large Citgo sign over Kenmore Square (shown in my user photo).
The best lit symbol on the stole on the woman’s right side with an A and an upside-down A that between them form an N is strongly reminiscent of a distinctive pattern of paths just to the west of the Kelleher Rose Garden when viewed from above, as in Google Maps or an aerial photo..

FB,
Very
nice find of the Mother’s Rest photos and info!
AP

And another! This one courtesy of the Parks Dept. The full document can be found here:
http://kspot.org/trove/hilderbrand_zaitzevsky_1986.pdf

To anyone following my charlesgate/beacon intersection theory, I took an alternate angle on the spot from which the globe lamps in the park line up to create the triangular formation in this image.  I didn’t realize until just now that there’s a big box on a cement slab foundation and there looks like a spot of dig-worthy dirt such that you can face the water and have your back to the stairs.  Here’s the deal: “the water” is not the actual water way, and “the stairs” are not the figurative verse version that I thought made by my version of “five steps” when moving up and over block to block from BPL to this park below the overpass; “the water” is the spot where the lamp globes line up -notice that the globes are watery in the image, and “the stairs” are the literal stairs behind this point just on the west side of the area.
I’m thinking this box and right beside (west side) is where a digging person shall find a casque.

oh good I was worried I was missing something.

JoshCornell

yes ex, and ive already told you guys how to do it, if you are paying close enough attention…

I’ll bite. Just come out with it Josh, what’s your 18/12 theory? You’ve never mentioned anything here about it. Before or after your solves got scrubbed. Before, during or after you actually visited Boston. You’ve actually been quiet in regards to Boston.
Let’s start over and see what you’ve got.

Hi, I’m brand new to this book, I’m really not sure how I’ve never heard of this hunt. But I’m totally in it now. I have a theory on Boston that makes sense. (To me anyway) I think this is a Christopher Columbus to Leif Erikson puzzle. And I feel it’s really hidden in the painting.

yes ex, and ive already told you guys how to do it, if you are paying close enough attention…

BINGO

GPR update!!!
This thing is right next to useless. One could spend a lifetime digging up all of the rocks and other miscellaneous subsurface crap that this thing chronicles.
Other than it being a neat new toy to tinker with, we are probably better off sticking to the basics and solve the puzzles as intended.

Bingo you need to recreate a casque
bury it and then see what results you get from that….

maltedfalcon

Bingo you need to recreate a casque
bury it and then see what results you get from that….

Well, I do have a lid to start with…
The fruit of a dig requested by erexere. The initial excitement was equal to the eventual let down.

fyi that looks like a side , not a lid , and its way too thin

maltedfalcon

fyi that looks like a side , not a lid , and its way too thin

I have small hands…
It measured just under 5″ square and it was 1/8″ thick, smaller than the lid in both dimensions. It was a heart stopper when it came out of the hole. It was pretty clear, pretty quickly that it wasn’t what we had hoped it was.

Hi, gang!
I’m pretty sure I have solved one of the most fiendish puzzles of all time,
however I can’t solve the puzzle of “how to post pictures on the internet.”
I’ve seen that at least a dozen times, and it always gets me.

drunknerds

Hi, gang!
I’m pretty sure I have solved one of the most fiendish puzzles of all time,
however I can’t solve the puzzle of “how to post pictures on the internet.”
I’ve seen that at least a dozen times, and it always gets me.

Wow. Goes ice cold on us and then comes back red hot!
Welcome back to the madness DN.

the verse hints at the poem so you must read the poem and visit the paul revere house, and old north church, where you learn the TRUTH. and therein lies the answer to your clue. its obvious and very straightforward.

gManTexas

Could be way points though.

Louisburg sq is a waypoint to nowhere. It would be a destination. Not a waypoint

gManTexas

Strike, I know you like Garrison. Have a look at this article.
http://bostonlitdistrict.org/venue/will … sculpture/
“Born and raised in Newburyport, MA, Garrison was the son of immigrants from the British colony of New Brunswick, and he expressed an early interest in journalism and social justice. At the ripe age of 13, he began an an apprenticeship with the Newburyport Herald, writing articles under the pseudonym Aristides (an Athenian statesman whose nickname was “the Just”).”

I prefer the Sarmiento statue much more than Garrison for this. Esp in his location with refence to the image…and the fact that he’s referenced in another verse. Buuuuut… I do like “the just” nice one!!!!!!

Has this circle been there since early 80’s? Looks similar to the robe neckline squares. One has a square with circle in it.
Her hair maybe the flag in the wind.
https://tinyurl.com/y6hvdszx
https://tinyurl.com/y2o5ymvs

I’d assume it wasn’t all that different if it was at all.
https://friendsofthepublicgarden.org/wh … -fountain/
The statue in the corner by the ether monument is called the angel of water and is dedicated to George Robert white whom also has a his name on a few things in Boston like the knights of Columbus building in the north end that has a pretty pelancar-esque mural on the back of it.
https://goo.gl/images/FQqnsT
I dug deep into the north end theory for a while

That’s so funny, I posted the same site 50 mins earlier on Verse 10 thread!

mapjunction.com
Select aerial photos from different years. 1983 is still in progress of being updated and added to, but it shows some of the Public Gardens and the Commons. Other years are also available if your area of interest isn’t covered in the 1983 map.
When you select 1983 on one side of the map and current year on the other side of the map, you can fade the images in and out. This will show you how things have changed at specific locations. It’s an incredible tool to search in Boston.

Thanks BINGO, that’s a good resource. However when I compare maps with 1977 for example it just changes color and nothing else. I’m more interested in the real image i.e. tree size in the area. Apparently none of the trees grew at all!
Oh I get it now! Got to slide up or down. Cool!

Choice

That may be so but I was looking for a Greek related structure per the 1st line of the verse. Samareitēs meets that requirement. I doubt Ed Hale was Greek!

How do you feel about this for your greek theme:
http://vanderkrogt.net/statues/object.p … ord=usma12
Columbus on one end, Aristedes on the other. Only problem is this land is highly protected and there is no getting in this park

It has to be in public garden tho because of the front/rear gate image match.

strike13

How do you feel about this for your greek theme:
http://vanderkrogt.net/statues/object.p … ord=usma12
Columbus on one end, Aristedes on the other. Only problem is this land is highly protected and there is no getting in this park

Could be way points though.

gManTexas

Could be way points though.

Strike, I know you like Garrison. Have a look at this article.
http://bostonlitdistrict.org/venue/will … sculpture/
“Born and raised in Newburyport, MA, Garrison was the son of immigrants from the British colony of New Brunswick, and he expressed an early interest in journalism and social justice. At the ripe age of 13, he began an an apprenticeship with the Newburyport Herald, writing articles under the pseudonym Aristides (an Athenian statesman whose nickname was “the Just”).”

Choice

That may be so but I was looking for a Greek related structure per the 1st line of the verse. Samareitēs meets that requirement. I doubt Ed Hale was Greek!

BTW Samareitēs passes Spiritr’s formula too:
T
U
V
W
X
If
T
hucydides is North of
X
enophon
Take five steps In the area of his direction
5 steps north of
X
is
S

Animal Painter had a solve involving Garrison a while back (geesh, 10 yrs ago.) Wondering what happened to it.
viewtopic.php?f=32&t=724&hilit=garrison+letters&start=446

BINGO

Haaa! Spiritr’s formula? I don’t think it was his, but he can have it because it’s useless.

So the line “Near those Who pass the coliseum”, the words “those who pass” is another key. I interpret these as people who pass out, and the place is a coliseum looking arena.
Ether dome is a perfect fit. So the hint is: Near Ether

Choice

5 steps north of
X
is
S

Nice, I like that
Now, try and see if you can combine it with the Japanese hints on Page 238 and figure something out
you do know the differences between those
keywords
and those
hints
right?

Choice

BTW Samareitēs passes Spiritr’s formula too:
T
U
V
W
X
If
T
hucydides is North of
X
enophon
Take five steps In the area of his direction
5 steps north of
X
is
S

Haaa! Spiritr’s formula? I don’t think it was his, but he can have it because it’s useless.

There was some discussion in the past where people have considered that Preiss may have buried the casque in the courtyard inside of the Boston Public Library. If you stand outside on the platform where X and T’s names are on the building wall, it is exactly 5 steps to go inside the library.
Once inside the courtyard, there are a few sets of steps and a fountain in the center. It also has planters located throughout. There is a plaque inside that says it was remodeled sometime in the 1990’s so it was difficult to tell what the place looked like when Preiss may have been there.
I just found this picture that may help answer that question. I never thought it was a likely location, and even less likely now.
https://flic.kr/p/23Abg3g

Bingo, good find. I guess I can cancel that research request I submitted to the BPL last week…

There is no doubt in my mind that the picture was taken inside the courtyard. Those windows are still there and the bars as well.

BINGO

There was some discussion in the past where people have considered that Preiss may have buried the casque in the courtyard inside of the Boston Public Library. If you stand outside on the platform where X and T’s names are on the building wall, it is exactly 5 steps to go inside the library.
Once inside the courtyard, there are a few sets of steps and a fountain in the center. It also has planters located throughout. There is a plaque inside that says it was remodeled sometime in the 1990’s so it was difficult to tell what the place looked like when Preiss may have been there.
I just found this picture that may help answer that question. I never thought it was a likely location, and even less likely now.
https://flic.kr/p/23Abg3g

but that bird in that old courtyard pic though….hahaha…jk!

I like the view of Citgo from the Charlesgate. Like the spot in MKE on E State where you can view the City Hall as it is portrayed in the image, there is a spot where the Citgo sign triangle looks exactly like the triangle fragment on the upper arm. (Use a mirrored image)

Have any of the Bostonians on this board ever been to Soldier’s Home? I just drove by the water tower North of the city on Route 1 and noticed the checkerboard pattern. It also says “Soldier’s Home” on the tower.
I’ve never been there before, but I think it is some type of military medical care facility.
Just something I’m thinking about while sitting in lovely Boston traffic.

Unknown

Unknown:
Makes it unique to Boston.

Well, er…not exactly. The subway in Pittsburgh is also called The T.
In fact, there’s a rather amusing story about the subway name. If you know anything about Pittsburgh, that is. It’s probably not very funny if you write it out and you’re not familiar with the dialect that Pittsburghers speak (called Pittsburghese–really.)
They have a pronoun in common use there sort of like “ya’ll” in the south: it’s pronounced
yunz
. (you-uns.) Also, they pronounce “downtown” as “dahntahn.” When the subway was built sometime in the 80’s, they held a city-wide contest to give it a nickname. The winner was “The T”, which they call it now, but there was a favorite entry that did
not
win:
the YGDT
. This stood for “yunz goin’ dahn tahn?”
I got this story from a lifetime Pittsburgh native named Jane. If it’s not true, blame her.
(She lived dahntahn.)

Bingo
I’m talking about the square located next to the right of the Ipswich’s tail, below the checkerboard, just to the left above the blue globe at the bottom. It is a darker square, not obvious at all.
Gman
I didn’t use anything to enhance the image. Just used the wiki image to examine up close.

Here’s a couple more observations concerning the Back Bay Fens.
The box is opened to form another purposeful triangle. It points toward the image of a Home Plate on Erin’s right sleeve. Many people believe this is representing Home Plate at Fenway park. I see this as it pointing at the John Boyle O’Reilly Monument. If you notice the cement backing separating JBO from Erin and her sons, it is 5 sided too. And although not a perfect home plate, it is what I believe the triangle to be pointing out.
Looking at the vines on Erin’s dress you will notice a small cursive “f” in the middle right side which indicates Fenway (the road) that runs around the East Side of the Back Bay Fens.
On the bottom of her dress in the 3rd square you can see where the vines have created the initials J-B-O
And if you look to the left of the bottom blue globe onto the various codes on the copper hanging material you can see a very dark square with an image in it. That image is of the Boylston Street Bridge. There is a tree in the foreground on the left a tree behind the bridge and a tree in the foreground on the right. Check it out.
Many more reasons I’m in the Fens.

MrBackstop

Here’s a couple more observations concerning the Back Bay Fens.
The box is opened to form another purposeful triangle. It points toward the image of a Home Plate on Erin’s right sleeve. Many people believe this is representing Home Plate at Fenway park. I see this as it pointing at the John Boyle O’Reilly Monument. If you notice the cement backing separating JBO from Erin and her sons, it is 5 sided too. And although not a perfect home plate, it is what I believe the triangle to be pointing out.
Looking at the vines on Erin’s dress you will notice a small cursive “f” in the middle right side which indicates Fenway (the road) that runs around the East Side of the Back Bay Fens.
On the bottom of her dress in the 3rd square you can see where the vines have created the initials J-B-O
And if you look to the left of the bottom blue globe onto the various codes on the copper hanging material you can see a very dark square with an image in it. That image is of the Boylston Street Bridge. There is a tree in the foreground on the left a tree behind the bridge and a tree in the foreground on the right. Check it out.
Many more reasons I’m in the Fens.

That is a bit difficult to follow with bridge/trees that you mentioned. Can you highlight the image to show exactly what you are talking about? I’m not discounting what you say, I just don’t understand where to look.

MrBackstop

Here’s a couple more observations concerning the Back Bay Fens.
The box is opened to form another purposeful triangle. It points toward the image of a Home Plate on Erin’s right sleeve. Many people believe this is representing Home Plate at Fenway park. I see this as it pointing at the John Boyle O’Reilly Monument. If you notice the cement backing separating JBO from Erin and her sons, it is 5 sided too. And although not a perfect home plate, it is what I believe the triangle to be pointing out.
Looking at the vines on Erin’s dress you will notice a small cursive “f” in the middle right side which indicates Fenway (the road) that runs around the East Side of the Back Bay Fens.
On the bottom of her dress in the 3rd square you can see where the vines have created the initials J-B-O
And if you look to the left of the bottom blue globe onto the various codes on the copper hanging material you can see a very dark square with an image in it. That image is of the Boylston Street Bridge. There is a tree in the foreground on the left a tree behind the bridge and a tree in the foreground on the right. Check it out.
Many more reasons I’m in the Fens.

While I like these thoughts, we have to be careful about digital zooming and manipulation. I know things are hidden in the images, but they would have to be viewable in the printed book.

MrBackstop

Bingo
I’m talking about the square located next to the right of the Ipswich’s tail, below the checkerboard, just to the left above the blue globe at the bottom. It is a darker square, not obvious at all.
Gman
I didn’t use anything to enhance the image. Just used the wiki image to examine up close.

How are you able to discern that the box is the boylston st bridge?

Strike, so many clues in this Image point to Back Bay Fens.
The John Boyle O’Reilly monument on that corner with Erin and her boys on the other side is the major waymarker in this puzzle. And of course the Boylston Bridge is along side that monument. That’s why I tie this into the Boylston St Bridge and not the others in the park.
Like I mentioned once before, the image of Erin in front of that circle is not a window. It is the Bridge going over Muddy River and its reflection in the water. The circle in the background is not a planet or moon. It is the opening of the other side of the Bridge with the light and reflection underneath.

Craziest thing I have thought as of recent with reference to the image and the bird. I apologize ahead of time, but please bear with me
Trying to get at this puzzle from any and all angles…. Any way at allllll the bird could be the whole Fens? Kind of even looks like the Fens has a beak.
https://imgur.com/a/YMmjl
Didn’t draw it out the best, but every time I go to the map I find myself just zooming in on the bird like green part of the satellite view…
The beak would be around the Westland Gate/JBO statute, and the grabbing claw, over toward the field house. I also always thought the grabbing claw was a symbol for digging.

MrBackstop

Strike, so many clues in this Image point to Back Bay Fens.
The John Boyle O’Reilly monument on that corner with Erin and her boys on the other side is the major waymarker in this puzzle. And of course the Boylston Bridge is along side that monument. That’s why I tie this into the Boylston St Bridge and not the others in the park.
Like I mentioned once before, the image of Erin in front of that circle is not a window. It is the Bridge going over Muddy River and its reflection in the water. The circle in the background is not a planet or moon. It is the opening of the other side of the Bridge with the light and reflection underneath.

I am not disagreeing about the Fens, I am merely asking how you thought that bottom square by the sphere/globe was the bridge. I agree with most of what you are saying, I am just wondering how I can see that it resembles a bridge.

forest_blight

Interesting! Looks like a fairly new park, at least the concrete circles are new. Wasn’t much of anything there until 2005 according to Google Earth. Have you checked into the other “Mother’s Rest” parks?

yes, and i believe I (we) are focused on the correct one. i have not brought up the others as, like you pointed out, they have no relevancy. the only one that even remotely interested me was…

Toying with another direction, following a much longer route given that five steps takes us from BPL to the John Boyle O’Reilly statue by David Chester French and then hopping on the Emerald Necklace path, passing then alphabetical gardens, and going a long long way til it circles around the Jamaica Pond and puts you near another David Chester French statue, the Francis Parkman Memorial.  Behind this memorial is a little hike up to Prince Street (maybe the falcon is a symbol for Prince) and just up the road is the Philoxenia House, which is literally a place of hospitality and a “home away from home” for people of Greece.