Forest Blight–
You might want to consider checking out the park near The Citadel.

Boogieman,
Please check out
http://thesecret.pbwiki.com/2_map
because the area you have marked as Frankenstein is pretty clearly a map of Charleston.
Thanks,
AnotherDoth

Thanks Doth, I should have explained that as well as Charleston, the map looks to show the distinct profile of Mr. Frankenstein when viewed upside down.  Not only that, but the initials for South Carolina are there too.
edit: What does it all mean?  I have no idea!

Following up on the tie in to the verse as a
journey motif…
note the following history and current layout…
The first fort on Sullivans Island was still incomplete when Adm. Sir Peter Parker and nine warships attacked it on June 28, 1776. After a nine-hour battle, the ships were forced to retire. Charleston was saved from British occupation, and the fort was named in honor of its commander, William Moultrie. In 1780 the British finally captured Charleston, abandoning it only on the advent of peace. After the Revolution, Fort Moultrie was neglected, and by 1791 little of it remained. Then, in 1793, war broke out between England and France. The next year Congress, seeking to safeguard American shores, authorized the first system on nationwide coastal fortifications. A second Fort Moultrie, one of 20 new forts along the Atlantic coast, was completed in 1798. It too suffered from neglect and was finally destroyed by a hurricane in 1804. By 1807 many of the other First System fortifications were in need of extensive repair. Congress responded by authorizing funds for a Second System, which included a third Fort Moultrie. By 1809 a new brick fort stood on Sullivans Island.
Between 1809 and 1860 Fort Moultrie changed little. The parapet was altered and the armament modernized, but the big improvement in Charleston’s defenses during this period was the construction of Fort Sumter at the entrance of the harbor. The forts ringing Charleston Harbor – Moultrie, Sumter, Johnson, and Castle Pinckney – were meant to complement each other, but ironically received their baptism of fire as opponents. In December 1860 South Carolina seceded from the Union, and the Federal garrison abandoned Fort Moultrie for the stronger Sumter. Three and a half months later, Confederate troops shelled Sumter into submission, plunging the nation into civil war. In April 1863, Federal iron-clads and shore batteries began a 20-month bombardment of Sumter and Moultrie, yet Charleston’s defenses held. When the Confederate army evacuated the city in February 1865, Fort Sumter was little more than a pile of rubble and Fort Moultrie lay hidden under the band of sand that protected its walls from Federal shells. The new rifled cannon used during the Civil War had demolished the brick-walled fortifications.
Fort Moultrie was modernized in the 1870s, employing concepts developed during the war. Huge new cannon were installed, and magazines and bombproofs were built of thick concrete, then buried under tons of earth to absorb the explosion of heavy shells. In 1885, President Grover Cleveland appointed Secretary of War William C. Endicott to head a board to review the coastal defenses in light of newly developing weapons technology. The system that emerged, named for Endicott, again modernized the nation’s fortifications. New batteries of concrete and steel were constructed in Fort Moultrie. Larger weapons were emplaced elsewhere on Sullivans Island, and the old fort became just a small part of the Fort Moultrie reservation that covered much of the island.
As technology changed, harbor defense became more complex. The world wars brought new threats of submarine and aerial attack and required new means of defense at Moultrie. Yet these armaments also became obsolete as nuclear weapons and guided missiles altered the entire concept of national defense. Today Fort Moultrie has been restored to portray the major periods of its history. A visitor to the fort moves steadily backwards in time from the World War II Harbor Entrance Control Post to the site of the Palmetto-log fort of 1776.

http://www.vub.ac.be/BIBLIO/nieuwenhuys … -masks.htm
There are masks which might represent a pygmy, there aren’t masks from the pygmy tribes.
But isnt this kind of trying to shoehorn a clue to fit an idea, rather than follow the clues to a solution?

Hi all,
This is my first post here at quest4treasure.  My name is Mike and I’m from Norther New Jersey, very close to New York City.  I first learned about Armchair Treasure hunting from the local paper in an article I read, cut out, and nearly forgot about two years ago about Egberts success in Cleavland.  Two years later and I’ve dusted the article off, purchased a copy of the book from amazon (which has yet to arrive) and starting doing a little more than nothing.
Since I thought it a waste to have my first post without attempting something insightful…here is my two cents for today.
I agree with those of you who think that Image 2 and Verse 5 go together…in keeping with that line of thought
“A wingless bird ascended
Born of ancient dreams of flight”
reminds me a helicopter…just like the AH-1 Cobra Helicopter that sits on the parade ground park on the campus of The Citadel.
I, like most of you, agree that its too obvious for the poem to mention ‘citadel’ and have it actually be there, but an interesting tid bit none-the-less
Looking forward to helping the search
-Mike
[in hindsight i realize that this post is more about the verse than the picture, ill chalk it up to being a rookie…that and everyone in the Verse 5 thread thinks it’s NY and I don’t want to ruffle their feathers just yet]

Good luck James! Thanks for the update. I think its safe to assume you’re not interested in the Cape Romaine approach.
I have some updates for Cape Romaine following a fact checking of the mythological elements that may be involved. I was mistaken when I said Leto gave birth to twins Apollo and Artemis on the island of Cos. Leto’s birthplace is Cos, but Apollo and Artemis were born on Delos after Leto, transformed into a bird (quail), landed there. Delos is the site of the Terrace of Lions, at least a dozen great stone lion
statues stand in honor of Apollo.

Thanks, but that’s not the article that I was thinking about. Still, this one mentions the “front money from his publishers” so perhaps those were the people that he was referring to in the other article. The people who would be mad at him.
Then there is this:
“Preiss says some of the puzzles are easy, and some are hard. He expects at least one treasure to be unearthed within 30 days.”, which fits the narrative.
And then this:
“Others, of course, may never be found.”, which does not.
Interestingly, neither is a direct quote from Preiss and while I’m sure he said the first , I really doubt that he said the second. I mean, if you are trying to sell a book, telling potential readers that some of the puzzles can not be solved isn’t the smartest marketing strategy.

did you read my solution/watch my walkthrough vid of the treasure hunt? you follow the path of the cannons from Moultrie to sumter to eventually WPG.
the faery relates to an African butterfly which you then use to connect to a sea creature found on dewees island that is bioluminescent and buries itself in sand.
youre right about the mast, that introduces the naval theme of the puzzle (hunley, capstand, pirates, jasper being named after ships, first black naval captain, black dude who stole confed ship to warn union, sundial, and monument you pass on way to sundial…might have missed a couple)
end spot is/was the triangle shaped sandbox at the side of the Fort Sumter Association Building, which is designated by standing in the park and looking at the building- offset- between the sundial and cannon. there are four palms framed by this, and you deduce correct one by process of elimination. the bar that binds clue tells you that its under the protection of the breaker wall…as the bar binds water, which you discern from the book on binyara kitaro (#19 in E. African Studies Collection). this relates to the battery wall which acts to protect both the treasures location and nice houses that line that road (Murray), along the S battery wall. if you didn’t get visual clues, youd think it was prob at East Battery Wall by the Saussere House, instead of by the FSAB.
final location is in painting under arms of faery, both the palm’s shadow and triangle shaped sandbox.

also, did you eat at the Gnome Café?

you missed the connections when you were at 50 E Bay…lol…that’s where you were supposed to go to solve the ornament clue. if you are just doing treasure hunt and start at bandstand, then you use the ornament to send you down toward 50 E Bay, past Rainbow Row, and where the pirates were buried off the point in the marshes along the E battery wall (which was then used as fill to build the houses on).
when you get to 50 E Bay you see the lion (door knocker), and stars on the building (telling you that the star on the FS ornament is a building). so we now know that because the star is white, and it relates to a building, that relates to FS…that it is the FSAB.
when you get there after going to NE corner for pirate clue…you see sundial about naval disaster that went down in 4 minutes in april. you use the arm extended at 4pm alongside the cannon to designate your orientation to finish off and deduce which palms are possible markers. and going from there…

this is the very succinct map of only the primary readings of the verse (and visual) clues directly relating to the treasure hunt, starting at the bandstand and ending at FSAB.
https://www.google.ca/maps/dir/32.76985 … m0!1m0!3e1

really youd start at least at Moultrie and maybe even further back, like Dewees Island…I haven’t mapped this one all out yet. then youd go to patriots point and take the ferry to sumter, where youd learn naval history, about the cannons, and fall of the union at those spots. then youd cross over the Pearman Bridge (since rebuilt and renamed) as you head into Charleston, at which point youd go down E Bay towards WPG…although it might take you elsewhere before that…youd at least pass slave mart and all that stuff up past 50 E Bay.

UnprovenFact

Full disclosure: Admittedly, I was not even aware of The Secret until the airing of one of my favorite shows earlier this year. Yes, I am one of those people on here. Unlike the real diehard fans of the book who have been collaborating and searching for years, I just dvr’d an episode of ExU, and here we are. However, I will try to do my best.

That’s all we ask. Welcome to the forum. I hope you are used to how the internet attracts all sorts of personalities, as you will get to know a variety of people here. You might not have the time nor the stomach to read all of the threads and all of the posts and all of our history, but at least you have acknowledged that it exists. Do not be discouraged by the loudest voices, for you will soon be able to identify which “solutions” and “advice” are of the most use to you.

UnprovenFact

Full disclosure: Admittedly, I was not even aware of The Secret until the airing of one of my favorite shows earlier this year. Yes, I am one of those people on here. Unlike the real diehard fans of the book who have been collaborating and searching for years, I just dvr’d an episode of ExU, and here we are. However, I will try to do my best. (If short on time, Scroll to last paragraph for the good part. But where is the fun in that?)
A couple things about me before I get started… First, I do not proclaim to be an expert at anything. If what I have to say sounds uninformed, it might actually be. Second, even I will agree that some of my ramblings may get a little repetitive and off track at times, and I will try to stay as coherent and on-point as I can. No guarantees. Third, I have been reading hundreds of posts and looking at thousands of photos, traveling up and down the streets of Charleston (with Google Maps, of course), perusing magazine and newspaper articles, as well as reading up on the overall history of Charleston and its many museums, forts, historic homes and the people who lived there. If I post something that seems like old news, my apologies. I have so much bouncing around in my head on this that I can’t keep it all straight.
I like Charleston and the surrounding area as a vacation spot. I had been there a few years ago with no knowledge of The Secret. To think I may have been standing on top of it and not even known. After doing some reading, I drove down there earlier this month to poke around a little. Clearly, I didn’t find anything, or my one and only post on here would just read, “Found it!” I formed a plan and made two carefully thought-out lists: One was buildings, parks, streets and forts to inspect, photograph and crawl around. The other was restaurants. I like to eat, and I needed my strength for all that searching.
Now, let’s get to it…
Unfortunately for you all, I kind of have to start at the beginning. For me, that is Image 2. Obviously. Although it appears not everyone is in agreement that it is depicting Charleston, I think I am in the majority who say it is clearly Charleston. The Charleston area has a clear historic link to Africa. By no means am I saying it is a good link, but it is what it is, and we can all learn from history.
Breaking down the parts of Image 2 from top to bottom:
The Lion: I was not able to get a real lion at the zoo to sit still long enough to inspect its face, so I went online for photos to make some comparisons. Overall, the image looks pretty spot-on when compared to photos of actual lions. Some similarities are the general shape and coloring of the head, the eyes and the light patches underneath, and the contemplative look on the face. Some slight differences between the online photos and the Image 2 lion are the shape of the nose, ears and mane. However, I know not all lions are the same, so it seems like the differences are maybe coincidental or artistic preference and not necessarily intended to be clues other than the clear connection to Africa. There is a shadowy image on the forehead. To me, it looks like the designs in the slate rocks used to make sidewalks all over Charleston. Or maybe a rough sketch of a city’s boundary lines. So why a male lion? There are female lions in Africa. Female lions have foreheads. Maybe a male is a more powerful image. Maybe we need the connection of “King” later. Maybe it has to be a male lion, so he can give it a strange hairline and hide markings in the mane that appear to be letters, numbers, and/or shapes. Some think they see “Navy Yard” in the top of the mane. Maybe it is “Heyward”. As for the numbers, we all seem to think we know what they are, so I will move to the Mask.
The Mask: It appears to be a reference to African culture as well. Some tribes or groups would carve masks for specific purposes – rituals, ceremonies, special occasions, war, etc. I found so many examples online. Some are big. Some are small. Some are short. Some are long. Some have huge holes for eyes. Some have tiny slits for eyes. Some have an outline over the eyebrow area. Some are painted. Some have hair, fur, feathers, teeth and such. Some are very crude carvings. Some are beautifully crafted, ornate pieces of art. But not one of the examples I saw online had a map of Charleston on the forehead. Pretty sure it’s Charleston. Moving on…
The “glasses” are not glasses. It looks more like a line (rope) draped over the crossbar or boom of a ship’s mast. Or something very similar. Any sailors, please chime in on the correct terminology. As an example, check out the mast/flagpole at the Carolina Yacht Club located 50 E. Bay Street. Or, really, any sailboat anywhere. The Yacht Club’s flag is a red and blue pennant with a white star in the center. That may come up later.
Now, The Fairy: We are apparently not all in agreement here. Cannons? Peacock feathers? Birds? Eskimo? Cobblestones? Beaches? I think I see a reverse of Sullivan’s Island on her lower right wing. Maybe. While I do see what other people are referring to as cannon(s) and stones and birds, the book talks about fairies, maybe it is just a fairy. But then why not go with a cute little smiling Tinkerbell-looking fairy? I think the image of the woman is more important than her fairy-ness. So, to me, she is not a fairy. She is a woman in a bikini standing in front of some butterfly wings. And for the wings, I would like to think that if JJP wanted to make mirror images of the wings, he would have the talent to do so. There must be some reason that the wings and the images on them are not symmetrical. Back to the woman. Her arms are folded with her hands just under her chin. Some think the shadows formed by her hands resemble a palm tree. Maybe. But I don’t think that correlates with the Verse 6 “Long Palm’s Shadow” unless it is just meant to connect the verse to the image. She has bracelets on which could symbolize slavery. Another post pointed out her resemblance to Wonder Woman. Maybe we are looking for an amazonium mine. Her eyes appear closed. Is she asleep? Just waking up? And why is she wearing what she is wearing? It must be to emphasize her body form. I believe there are only two other painted fairies in the other images – 5 and 11. The Image 5 fairy is a reference to a fountain in which there are several loosely-clothed figures, and fairy 5 is clothed similarly. The Image 11 fairy appears to reference a painting in which the figure is fully clothed, and fairy 11 is again clothed similarly. So, we need to find something similar-looking in the area. A statue or painting maybe. Also, I don’t think there is any writing or numbers in her hair. I think it is again meant to look like something in the area. Her “bikini bottoms” appear to be folded and loose, except for the middle portion. It appears brighter and sharp. An arrow? A sail? Not sure, but it is clearly different from the rest of her outfit.
The Tree: The branch looks like any tree branch on just about any tree. It kind of resembles the shape of the live oak tree branches in the parks. I don’t know that the exact type is as important as the overall reason for it being there. One school of thought is that it is a map of the highway connecting Charleston to Mount Pleasant, and then on to Sullivan’s Island and Fort Moultrie. I understand that Sullivan’s Island was said to be the “Ellis Island of slavery” which further connects the image to Africa. However, while I enjoyed searching all over Fort Moultrie and the surrounding beaches and connecting everything to Poe, Osceola (or Oceola), and so on, I still think the location is Charleston. We might need to know about Sullivan’s Island, Fort Moultrie, Poe, etc. But having everything else point to Charleston just to have the location be on Sullivan’s Island is like having all the clues pointing to San Francisco and saying, “Ok, now let’s go look in Oakland.” Our tree branch may resemble the roads, which have changed since the 80’s, but I think it is more likely that it just represents a tree. It may also be a decorative addition to have something from which the pear and pedant hang.
The Pear: Some think it points us to the Pearman Bridge, which came down after the new Ravenel Bridge opened in 2005. I think it is just a pear. Actually, I think it is a loquat. But rather than paint a loquat and have readers wonder what that funny looking pear is doing there, JJP pained a pear – something most people would recognize. There are loquat trees all over the area, and if I need to make a loose connection here: Loquat… in the Lowcountry? Heh? Maybe not. It is also possible that the faint image below the pear is a base, and the pear resembles a ball shape. This can be seen atop the brick gateposts at some of the historic homes and plantations. Or maybe it’s just a pear.
The Flower: It appears to be a daisy. But the center is not a raised fluffy yellow button like you see on daisies. It is a flat oval shape. Given that the round table in the SF image is thought to be the trolley turnaround, maybe this is also pointing us to something flat and round (or oval) we should be seeing. Like a penny, or a table top. The daisy also has a shadow, which I think is just a possible connection to the verse. Daisy looks like a palm tree, has a shadow… “Beside the Long Palm’s Shadow”. That may be the only connection. It does look pretty busted up for a normally pretty flower. If it is only supposed to resemble a palm or palmetto tree, then ok, it does. Sort of. But if it is intended to reference something else, I don’t yet know what.
The Pendant (Fort Sumter): I don’t get it. We have this beautiful painting of a lion, a mask, a pear and a fairy, and then… a cartoon-looking pendant. Where is all the intricate detail found in the rest of the image? This is just a clock with big goofy eyes and a jacked-up grill. I have looked all over for anything that resembles the mouth. Could be stairs. Maybe a boat of some sort. Maybe it looks like teeth, because it is supposed to resemble the pointy teeth found on some African masks. At first, the eyes looked to me like manhole covers. Look at the sidewalk outside the First Presbyterian Church at Market and Tradd. Maybe they are FDC caps from a specific building we are looking for. Maybe they are really screws. I think they look like Do Not Enter street signs – like those at King and S. Battery… or Church and Water St. Water is a theme in the images and verses, and there is a cross in the lion’s mane. Again, not sure. This next part is a little tricky. Mostly because I just really want it to be right. After looking at the Ft. Sumter pendant and then a map of Charleston, and then back and forth, back and forth, it finally hit me. The Sumter clock is set to 4:00, but it is off-center just slightly. Maybe this is True vs. Magnetic North, maybe something else… like what it refers to is also not quite North and South… like the streets of Charleston.
*Follow me here: If we overlay the Sumter clock hands on the map, they are a near-perfect match for Church and Water St. or Meeting and Water St. including the star on the face matching the star of the yacht club. If we use Church St., we have Do Not Enter signs for eyes. If we use Meeting, we have the manhole covers that we would pass as we move north. Either way, it puts the tip of the hour hand near the stairs on the battery. If we use Meeting St., the tip of the minute hand is near Four Corners of the Law, but more specifically, Washington Park. With Church and Water St. the tip of the minute hand is at the Heyward-Washington House and either way, “White house close at hand”. The HW house is not white, but Washington was a president… White House… Hand of a clock… We are close! I think the Sumter clock is a map to our location. That is why it looks a little off when compared to the rest of the painting. To help it stand out as a “Hey, look at me. Use me.” Then the mouth with 12 white pointy teeth falls right about where White Point Garden is. It is not that the cask location is in WPG, it is just confirming the alignment of our map. If I can tie in the colored bars on the other cheek, we are good to go!
Thanks All!

Man, I’m upset that I missed this because it got buried by Josh Cornell’s maniacal ravings. I want to read what you’ve written three times because it in inspiring. I’ll be back with some thoughts, but thanks for sharing!

catherwood

That’s all we ask. Welcome to the forum. I hope you are used to how the internet attracts all sorts of personalities, as you will get to know a variety of people here. You might not have the time nor the stomach to read all of the threads and all of the posts and all of our history, but at least you have acknowledged that it exists. Do not be discouraged by the loudest voices, for you will soon be able to identify which “solutions” and “advice” are of the most use to you.

Catherwood- thank you so much for posting this.

UnprovenFact

Full disclosure: Admittedly, I was not even aware of The Secret until the airing of one of my favorite shows earlier this year. Yes, I am one of those people on here. Unlike the real diehard fans of the book who have been collaborating and searching for years, I just dvr’d an episode of ExU, and here we are. However, I will try to do my best. (If short on time, Scroll to last paragraph for the good part. But where is the fun in that?)
A couple things about me before I get started… First, I do not proclaim to be an expert at anything. If what I have to say sounds uninformed, it might actually be. Second, even I will agree that some of my ramblings may get a little repetitive and off track at times, and I will try to stay as coherent and on-point as I can. No guarantees. Third, I have been reading hundreds of posts and looking at thousands of photos, traveling up and down the streets of Charleston (with Google Maps, of course), perusing magazine and newspaper articles, as well as reading up on the overall history of Charleston and its many museums, forts, historic homes and the people who lived there. If I post something that seems like old news, my apologies. I have so much bouncing around in my head on this that I can’t keep it all straight.
I like Charleston and the surrounding area as a vacation spot. I had been there a few years ago with no knowledge of The Secret. To think I may have been standing on top of it and not even known. After doing some reading, I drove down there earlier this month to poke around a little. Clearly, I didn’t find anything, or my one and only post on here would just read, “Found it!” I formed a plan and made two carefully thought-out lists: One was buildings, parks, streets and forts to inspect, photograph and crawl around. The other was restaurants. I like to eat, and I needed my strength for all that searching.
Now, let’s get to it…
Unfortunately for you all, I kind of have to start at the beginning. For me, that is Image 2. Obviously. Although it appears not everyone is in agreement that it is depicting Charleston, I think I am in the majority who say it is clearly Charleston. The Charleston area has a clear historic link to Africa. By no means am I saying it is a good link, but it is what it is, and we can all learn from history.
Breaking down the parts of Image 2 from top to bottom:
The Lion: I was not able to get a real lion at the zoo to sit still long enough to inspect its face, so I went online for photos to make some comparisons. Overall, the image looks pretty spot-on when compared to photos of actual lions. Some similarities are the general shape and coloring of the head, the eyes and the light patches underneath, and the contemplative look on the face. Some slight differences between the online photos and the Image 2 lion are the shape of the nose, ears and mane. However, I know not all lions are the same, so it seems like the differences are maybe coincidental or artistic preference and not necessarily intended to be clues other than the clear connection to Africa. There is a shadowy image on the forehead. To me, it looks like the designs in the slate rocks used to make sidewalks all over Charleston. Or maybe a rough sketch of a city’s boundary lines. So why a male lion? There are female lions in Africa. Female lions have foreheads. Maybe a male is a more powerful image. Maybe we need the connection of “King” later. Maybe it has to be a male lion, so he can give it a strange hairline and hide markings in the mane that appear to be letters, numbers, and/or shapes. Some think they see “Navy Yard” in the top of the mane. Maybe it is “Heyward”. As for the numbers, we all seem to think we know what they are, so I will move to the Mask.
The Mask: It appears to be a reference to African culture as well. Some tribes or groups would carve masks for specific purposes – rituals, ceremonies, special occasions, war, etc. I found so many examples online. Some are big. Some are small. Some are short. Some are long. Some have huge holes for eyes. Some have tiny slits for eyes. Some have an outline over the eyebrow area. Some are painted. Some have hair, fur, feathers, teeth and such. Some are very crude carvings. Some are beautifully crafted, ornate pieces of art. But not one of the examples I saw online had a map of Charleston on the forehead. Pretty sure it’s Charleston. Moving on…
The “glasses” are not glasses. It looks more like a line (rope) draped over the crossbar or boom of a ship’s mast. Or something very similar. Any sailors, please chime in on the correct terminology. As an example, check out the mast/flagpole at the Carolina Yacht Club located 50 E. Bay Street. Or, really, any sailboat anywhere. The Yacht Club’s flag is a red and blue pennant with a white star in the center. That may come up later.
Now, The Fairy: We are apparently not all in agreement here. Cannons? Peacock feathers? Birds? Eskimo? Cobblestones? Beaches? I think I see a reverse of Sullivan’s Island on her lower right wing. Maybe. While I do see what other people are referring to as cannon(s) and stones and birds, the book talks about fairies, maybe it is just a fairy. But then why not go with a cute little smiling Tinkerbell-looking fairy? I think the image of the woman is more important than her fairy-ness. So, to me, she is not a fairy. She is a woman in a bikini standing in front of some butterfly wings. And for the wings, I would like to think that if JJP wanted to make mirror images of the wings, he would have the talent to do so. There must be some reason that the wings and the images on them are not symmetrical. Back to the woman. Her arms are folded with her hands just under her chin. Some think the shadows formed by her hands resemble a palm tree. Maybe. But I don’t think that correlates with the Verse 6 “Long Palm’s Shadow” unless it is just meant to connect the verse to the image. She has bracelets on which could symbolize slavery. Another post pointed out her resemblance to Wonder Woman. Maybe we are looking for an amazonium mine. Her eyes appear closed. Is she asleep? Just waking up? And why is she wearing what she is wearing? It must be to emphasize her body form. I believe there are only two other painted fairies in the other images – 5 and 11. The Image 5 fairy is a reference to a fountain in which there are several loosely-clothed figures, and fairy 5 is clothed similarly. The Image 11 fairy appears to reference a painting in which the figure is fully clothed, and fairy 11 is again clothed similarly. So, we need to find something similar-looking in the area. A statue or painting maybe. Also, I don’t think there is any writing or numbers in her hair. I think it is again meant to look like something in the area. Her “bikini bottoms” appear to be folded and loose, except for the middle portion. It appears brighter and sharp. An arrow? A sail? Not sure, but it is clearly different from the rest of her outfit.
The Tree: The branch looks like any tree branch on just about any tree. It kind of resembles the shape of the live oak tree branches in the parks. I don’t know that the exact type is as important as the overall reason for it being there. One school of thought is that it is a map of the highway connecting Charleston to Mount Pleasant, and then on to Sullivan’s Island and Fort Moultrie. I understand that Sullivan’s Island was said to be the “Ellis Island of slavery” which further connects the image to Africa. However, while I enjoyed searching all over Fort Moultrie and the surrounding beaches and connecting everything to Poe, Osceola (or Oceola), and so on, I still think the location is Charleston. We might need to know about Sullivan’s Island, Fort Moultrie, Poe, etc. But having everything else point to Charleston just to have the location be on Sullivan’s Island is like having all the clues pointing to San Francisco and saying, “Ok, now let’s go look in Oakland.” Our tree branch may resemble the roads, which have changed since the 80’s, but I think it is more likely that it just represents a tree. It may also be a decorative addition to have something from which the pear and pedant hang.
The Pear: Some think it points us to the Pearman Bridge, which came down after the new Ravenel Bridge opened in 2005. I think it is just a pear. Actually, I think it is a loquat. But rather than paint a loquat and have readers wonder what that funny looking pear is doing there, JJP pained a pear – something most people would recognize. There are loquat trees all over the area, and if I need to make a loose connection here: Loquat… in the Lowcountry? Heh? Maybe not. It is also possible that the faint image below the pear is a base, and the pear resembles a ball shape. This can be seen atop the brick gateposts at some of the historic homes and plantations. Or maybe it’s just a pear.
The Flower: It appears to be a daisy. But the center is not a raised fluffy yellow button like you see on daisies. It is a flat oval shape. Given that the round table in the SF image is thought to be the trolley turnaround, maybe this is also pointing us to something flat and round (or oval) we should be seeing. Like a penny, or a table top. The daisy also has a shadow, which I think is just a possible connection to the verse. Daisy looks like a palm tree, has a shadow… “Beside the Long Palm’s Shadow”. That may be the only connection. It does look pretty busted up for a normally pretty flower. If it is only supposed to resemble a palm or palmetto tree, then ok, it does. Sort of. But if it is intended to reference something else, I don’t yet know what.
The Pendant (Fort Sumter): I don’t get it. We have this beautiful painting of a lion, a mask, a pear and a fairy, and then… a cartoon-looking pendant. Where is all the intricate detail found in the rest of the image? This is just a clock with big goofy eyes and a jacked-up grill. I have looked all over for anything that resembles the mouth. Could be stairs. Maybe a boat of some sort. Maybe it looks like teeth, because it is supposed to resemble the pointy teeth found on some African masks. At first, the eyes looked to me like manhole covers. Look at the sidewalk outside the First Presbyterian Church at Market and Tradd. Maybe they are FDC caps from a specific building we are looking for. Maybe they are really screws. I think they look like Do Not Enter street signs – like those at King and S. Battery… or Church and Water St. Water is a theme in the images and verses, and there is a cross in the lion’s mane. Again, not sure. This next part is a little tricky. Mostly because I just really want it to be right. After looking at the Ft. Sumter pendant and then a map of Charleston, and then back and forth, back and forth, it finally hit me. The Sumter clock is set to 4:00, but it is off-center just slightly. Maybe this is True vs. Magnetic North, maybe something else… like what it refers to is also not quite North and South… like the streets of Charleston.
*Follow me here: If we overlay the Sumter clock hands on the map, they are a near-perfect match for Church and Water St. or Meeting and Water St. including the star on the face matching the star of the yacht club. If we use Church St., we have Do Not Enter signs for eyes. If we use Meeting, we have the manhole covers that we would pass as we move north. Either way, it puts the tip of the hour hand near the stairs on the battery. If we use Meeting St., the tip of the minute hand is near Four Corners of the Law, but more specifically, Washington Park. With Church and Water St. the tip of the minute hand is at the Heyward-Washington House and either way, “White house close at hand”. The HW house is not white, but Washington was a president… White House… Hand of a clock… We are close! I think the Sumter clock is a map to our location. That is why it looks a little off when compared to the rest of the painting. To help it stand out as a “Hey, look at me. Use me.” Then the mouth with 12 white pointy teeth falls right about where White Point Garden is. It is not that the cask location is in WPG, it is just confirming the alignment of our map. If I can tie in the colored bars on the other cheek, we are good to go!
Thanks All!

Thank you for posting a well-thought solve. I am not working on this location but I’m sure there are others that will be happy to help.

Middleton Place I encountered in my search, but not Boone Hall – I will check into that. It will be difficult to fit in very many stops, as we will be visiting Charleston and Savannah all in a two-day stretch. Hard to do even when you’re not looking for buried treasure!

Unknown

Unknown:
n 1775, Colonel William Moultrie was asked by the Revolutionary Council of Safety to design a flag for the South Carolina troops to use during the American Revolutionary War. Moultrie’s design had the blue of the militia’s uniforms and the crescent from the emblem on their caps. This flag was flown in the defense of a new fortress on Sullivan’s Island, when Moultrie faced off against a British fleet that hadn’t lost a battle in a century.
In the 16 hour battle on June 28, 1776, the flag was shot down, but Sergeant William Jasper ran out into the open, raising it and rallying the troops until it could be mounted again. This gesture was so heroic, saving Charleston, South Carolina, from conquest for four years, that the flag came to be the symbol of the Revolution, and liberty, in the state and the new nation. Soon popularly known as either the Moultrie Flag or Liberty Flag, it became the standard of the South Carolina militia, and was presented in Charleston, by Nathaniel Greene, when that city was liberated at the end of the war. Greene described it as having been the first American flag to fly over the South.
The palmetto tree was added in 1861, also a reference to Moultrie’s defense of Sullivan Island; the fortress he’d constructed had survived largely because the palmetto trees, laid over sand walls, were able to withstand British cannons.

Incidentally, someone once suggested that the image hinted at the flag of South Carolina, with the crescent shadow at the base of the pear…
I’ve only just realised how closely this flag is associated with Sullivan’s Island, Fort Moultrie, and the Palmetto.
It was known as the “Moultrie Flag”, and its history also includes Fort Sumter.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_South_Carolina

Hello Guest of White Rabbit, I’m pursuing the idea that its an hour as the crow flies to the north east of Charleston on an island key formally known as Raccoon Key.  It’s known now as Lighthouse Island and it has twin lighthouses just 200 meters apart.  They arent identical but I believe they fit the line in Verse 6 that goes “between two arms extended”.  I think the symbolism behind the image of a lion behind a mask is a simple approach towards recognizing what kind of creature has a mask, a Raccoon.  I’m not at all sure how exactly we locate the casque there.  Perhaps we find the midpoint between the two towers.  The real challenge is finding transportation.  It has very few tourist trips and the area has become very rugged and dilapidated over the past 30 years.

forest_blight

Nice find, lobster411. If you’re right, we walked right by the dang thing! Here is my picture:
And here is a satellite view. I can see why this palmetto might be called the last standing member of a forest, since it looks isolated:
There is a different way to interpret the verse.
White stone closest
At twelve paces
From the west side
…to me means at 12 paces from the west side of the only standing member. So at 12 paces from the tree, you’ll find a white stone (which you did).
Get permission to dig out
might mean “dig on the side for which you need to seek permission,” i.e., the east side.
I really think you need a probe. The sandy soil would be ideal, and you wouldn’t have to dig to find out if there was anything there.
My other advice is to arrive after 5:00 on a weekday and wait until no one is around. The place was pretty deserted when we went, and that was after 5:00pm on a Sunday (I think).

Shelshock

The other interesting connection is the painting of the revolutionary battle at moultrie.  Y’all have probably seen it.  It shows sgt. Jasper climbing the last palmetto tree left south of the fort to hang up the battle flag after the British shot it down.  Well the artist is named “White”.

Hi there guest-of-rabbit…
Thinking about other possibilities, here’s Forest’s comments on an earlier visit to this area…
General thoughts that occur to me are:
a) I still like the area around Stella Maris and the war memorial as previously set out. I’ve always been curious about whether the path beside it has paving slabs, and if so, whether the “twelve paces” might be anything to do with counting slabs. I’m dubious about whether “walk twelve paces from here” is accurate enough to be a useful way to pinpoint a casque, unless it takes you from one solid thing to another solid thing. I’d also be interested in a photo of the church organ if you happen to drop by, to see if this image-match suggestion has any basis in reality…(that’s just a random picture of a church organ, not the actual one.)
b) Digging on NPS ground, or at the foot of trees, seems pretty dodgy, but I wouldn’t rule anything out, and there is that curious line about “permission” after all. Regarding this tree and rock shown above – if we were to consider those as alternative candidates for the the “white stone” and the “only standing member of a forest”, and if they’re twelve paces apart, there’s some ambiguity about which might be the spot, and which side the casque might be on. I’m not exactly sure where people tried digging before.
c) I’m also curious about the end of the road on the coast, with the car parking spot, in the top left of the above photo, partly because the butterfly’s wings resemble this kind of shoreline, and the image includes something a bit like a pair of sunglasses.
There are various signs down that road there – “at twelve” (Station 12 St). It would be interesting to get some photos of those and see what’s on them. If one of them included the word “permission”, for example, that could be pretty significant. (Byron liked pulling random words off signs and tucking them into the verses.) I don’t remember anyone having mentioned going there.
Considering one of Shelshock’s comments…
…I was wondering whether Palmetto St on the other side of Fort Moultrie could be another possibility for “the only standing member of a forest”…? There are more signs “to the south” or at the south end of it, which might contain “permission” or other keywords.
(I still kind of like the “lion’s eye tower” you can see at this point.)

https://www.dropbox.com/s/wway9azlb2iipmm/raquel.pdf?dl=0
The lady in the doe skin bikini looks like Raquel Welch from the movie One Million Years BC. In the movie she is a blonde, however, she is a brunette bombshell. She wore fur cuffs around her ankles in the movie, in the painting she has cuffs on her wrists.
In the movie there were cavemen and dinosaurs. You could find them at the Charleston Museum of Natural History.

We returned Saturday from a very nice day and a half in Charleston, SC. The primary reasons were for vacation and to see the Piccolo Spoleto festival (my mom has a booth in the art show). We were also able to visit Fort Sumter, White Point Gardens (on the Battery), and Fort Moultrie. I took lots of pictures, got some literature on the history of Charleston, and bought some good maps. I also obtained pamphlets for Fort Sumter, Drayton Hall, Middleton Place, and Cypress Gardens, but none have any discernible connection to
The Secret
. I remain just as baffled by Image 2 as before, and all I can say with any certainty is that Image 2 definitely has a connection to Charleston (the mask map) and the lower mask just has to be a reference to Fort Sumter’s distinctive pentagonal shape. But does it go with V2, V3, V5, V6, or V10? Who knows.
Charleston proper
We drove and walked much of the city, me with an eye toward anything
Secret
-related.
See my photos at webshots.com (under “Charleston proper”):
http://community.webshots.com/user/quantpsy
Fort Sumter
Most of the photos I took were of Ft. Sumter because it is the only certain landmark in P2. A more detail-oriented visit might have included going through the museum in Fort Sumter and reading all the captions, but I do not know when the museum was organized. It is possible that the mouth of the lower mask is a representation of the Hunley, a submersible that sank in Charleston Harbor in 1861. A replica of the Hunley can be found on the grounds of Charleston Museum.
See my photos at webshots.com (under “Fort Sumter”):
http://community.webshots.com/user/quantpsy
Fort Moultrie
Fort Moultrie was not open when we visited (I think it closes at 5:00). We were able to walk around the grounds outside the fort walls and read plenty of historic markers. Lots of cannons there, too (in pairs!), and easy access to a beautiful beach populated only by the occasional tourist and as many hermit crabs. Given more time, I would like to have entered the fort itself and visited the western tip of Sullivan’s Island. With regard to the “arc of lights,” there was only one lighthouse that I could see, and nothing about it said “arc of lights” to me.
There are some arguments in favor of Fort Moultrie (the Poe connection and a few possible connections to Verse 5), but also some against. For example, if the casque is buried at Fort Moultrie, why put a picture of Fort Sumter in the image? Some have mentioned that “weight and roots extended / Together saved the site” may refer to the use of palmetto logs and sandbags to reinforce the walls. This definitely happened at Fort Moultrie, but “roots extended” is a peculiar way to say “logs,” doncha think?
See my photos at webshots.com (under “Fort Moultrie”):
http://community.webshots.com/user/quantpsy
White Point Gardens / The Battery
White Point Gardens is full of monuments and historic markers. I really wish I had read cthree’s post of 7/2/04 before making this trip. The U.S.S. Maine capstan plaque and the Stede Bonnet monument have such strong connections to V6.
See my photos at webshots.com (under “White Point Gardens”):
http://community.webshots.com/user/quantpsy

forest_blight

For example, if the casque is buried at Fort Moultrie, why put a picture of Fort Sumter in the image?

Possibly because Sumter’s shape is much more recognizable than Moultrie’s.  Could simply be another confirmer for Charleston and nothing else.

It’s really interesting, but I have trouble getting past in the two found casques
the picture just got you to the general location of the casque (city)
With some local area confirmers in each picture, Things you could see from nearby the casque site.
Then it was the verse, only that specifically took you from the locale to the exact spot to dig.
Just me but I would suspect the next casque to be found will bear out that pattern.
What would the odds be that out of 12, the two that are uniquely that way are found…
Not impossible, but I think unlikely.  -on the other hand, there are no clocks in those two found pictures.
so maybe this applies to the pictures with clocks.
Can you explain how this would work with image 1 and the clock at 6:00 or image 7 with the clock at midnight?

I haven’t given this type of sun/shadow consideration to image1 or 7.  Certainly we need to look into the more specific locating method.  I think Four21thrasher got me on this idea when he pointed out the semicircular arc line and the outline of the tower shape, which I hadn’t noticed before.  The Sun travels in an arc.
On the eighth a scene
could be an instruction to stand at the south side of the lighthouse, one of the eight side’s, and walk about 50 feet south.  Might be as simple as that based on the shadow about noon.  I doubt BP wanted for us to do tons of calculations.  Just getting there is doable if only your focus is light house “twins” and Charleston the nearest big city.  The rest is using a compass, some verse and the Sumpter clock help to identify what month shadow is important and it confirms the lighthouses as the site by using the clock hands to identify the exact angle of direction.  I can see the Sun slowly moving from East to West and the shadow cast by the tall tilting lighthouse will move over the path to the west and then come around slowly to the south on it’s eastward end before sunset.  Then our task is to decide “when” is the right time to dig.  My bet is on peak azimuth OR 12:38pm.
Wandered off the response, sorry.  It sure would be a possibility on both of the other clock featured images.  We need to have a Month and Day to give it any practical worth.  Memorial Day just fits too well with Image2.  Pearl Harbor for Image1?  MardiGras isnt’ a specific day is it?

I never noticed the shoals matching the branch with the pear on it.
and I also noticed the Ft Sumter image is hanging from the spot on the shoals called Diamond Shoals
and the stone for this image is diamond

This coast line next to the pair of lighthouses looks suspicious:
I think the Diamond Shoals stands to be a reasonable inclusion along with other lighthouse locations that tease us.  It’s a veritable “daisy chain” of travels along the Outer Banks Lighthouses route towards Sumpter/Charleston
Maltedfalcon, I was just looking at verse 10 and realized I came very close to goofing it up with verse 6.  That line about grey giant and long arm extending has been firmly wedged in my brain since working on Image1 and the Japanese Intermnent perspective.

What in this image might be considered as leaning?  One of the Cape Romaine Lighthouses has a noticeable lean.
Sumter clock:  a clock is often set in a tower structure, but also on the ground in the other extreme, as in a sundial.  Lighthouses still echo with possiblity since some use a period reference like a flash every 15 or 20 seconds.  They have a small hand and a long hand.  The Cape Romaine lightouses are two almost side by side, one short, one tall.  The wing has the two circular blips side by side in the upper part.  The Sumpter clock, pear, mask, and butterfly woman all have a tilt to them.  I bet there wont be any trouble digging in this area, it looks defunct enough.  I wonder if the idea is to find a spot where the sun casts a shadow to a spot that completes an angle just as shown in the clock, connecting to the short light houses position…or where is the shadow of the tilting lighthouse at 4pm in May (based on 1913)?  Ive used the sundial tables to find a shadow position in the past.  The trick is finding the tables that show the seasonal adjustments.  Some sundials have this chart built into them.  I worked with something like this at the U of O back in the early 90’s.
33 degrees elevation with a 265 degree east to west azimuth (about 8:45 position for the shorthand using 12 as north.). Using a trigonometry this puts the point of the light house shadow about 230 feet east and 20 feet north of the 150 foot tall lighthouse.  This alignement also puts the lighthouse in an obstructing position from a slender path leading to the older smaller lighthouse.
My figures are estimates only.  As far as getting the approx angle and azimuth of the sun, the Month is all that is needed.  The 1913 could be 24 time, or 7:13, which could represent where the Sun’s position is as far as the short hand angle in the noon as north convention.  That is comparing an estimated 265 degrees with an actual value just under 235 degrees.  This deserves closer examination, but it looks close in many ways.
Is this island accessible or private?

Okay, just finished looking more closely at some things.
I still don’t know the exact azimuth, but looking at a solar chart curve I could tell it was something in the middle of 180 and 270.
Based on where the road between the lighthouses it is close enough to that estimate.
I think the sumpter clock is really BP’s personal compass, hanging from a cord or chain.
Here’s what I’ve done in these images, which in my haste are a little out of order:
(second from top): using the skinny road as a line and compass declination back to true north gives 240 degrees
(top): finding the angle of the other lighthouse to be 214 degrees
(third from top): turning the compass shows a long hand and short hand shape that is similar to sumpter clock (4pm)
(fourth): sumpter clock
Here’s what’s really amazing, using a webtool to display an analog clock’s hands at exactly 7:13 or 19:13 in 24hour time has the same compass reading of 214 degrees.  I didn’t even have to touch the compass setting to see this.  Nothing I’ve done here requires GOOGLE MAPS or even a map at all in order to compute these angles with a compass.  All this can be done on the ground with standard compass.  Also, notice the compass needle itself isn’t perfectly lined up with the short arrow, that is because true north and magnetic north are not the same.
NOTE: there is a purple short hand arrow beneath where the compass arrow sits perfectly aligned.

why not just go with the short hand pointing north?

hey, that works too…
I’m reconsidering everything.  I think May 1913 from the verse is two things, May is putting us on Memorial Day, but the original May 1st version, and 1913 is the 24-hr version of 7:13pm.
7:13 looks the same as a rotated 4 o’clock.  This number corresponds to the angle between the twin lighthouses (not exact twins, one is short and one is tall – is that like fraternal twins Edwin and Edwina?).
I think a Sun position is needed to put us on a shadow location, I learned now that different days in the month can make enough difference in distance, so Memorial Day is a great deduction based on Charleston and Sumter.  Three possibilities work in my mind, (1) the position of the Sun where the lighthouse and small road and Sun line up, or (2) the position of the Sun where both lighthouses and Sun line up, or (3) wherever the shadow points at the Sun’s azimuth on May 1st.  The peak angle of the Sun on May 1st is about the same from year to year being about 72.5 degrees.  This value is interesting to me because it is very close to 1/5th of a 360 degree circle.  There’s a few “five” things going on here, like the star in the Sumpter clock, and May being the 5th month, but also the little pentagon on the wing.
As far as polygons go, there’s a few things that make me think they are clues about the higher order octagonal shape of the tall lighthouse:

Sorry if this is hard to follow, its going to look complicated before it gets simplified.
1913 = 19:13 = 7:13 PM, which is the same as 12:38 if you keep the angle between hands the same and rotate.  Looking at a 1980 table, the elevation of the Sun is 71.8 degrees from North and 196.6 degrees from East to West.  The Lighthouse is 150 feet tall, which computes to 45.3 feet South and 13.5 feet East or 47.3 feet of shadow from the base.
But this could all be wrong…maybe May 8th is where we the shadow is “scene”.
I think this is a lighthouse shadow as it is “outlined” and up to the left on the image is an orb like depiction, the Sun?

Slappy,
Here is a link to 10 free Windows photo-editing programs.
GIMP is Google’s “free Photoshop”…You might try that first.
Retail programs are Adobe Photoshop or CorelDraw.
http://graphicssoft.about.com/od/pixelb … otoedw.htm

thanks AP!  i sent you a message!

that view of the girl AP really looks like she’s being strangled……..lol, i’m hooked on the pirates……
but look at the flower in the image, doesn’t it really stand out compared to the other flower images in the book?
and couldn’t that be the shape of a crescent moon in the pear above the flower? look again at the state flag of sc, doesn’t the daisy remind you of the palm tree in the flag?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_South_Carolina
and if the butterfly lady is the “x marks the spot”, i’m pretty sure the flagpole is in the middle of the battery by the bandstand
and the flag has the “palm” etto tree……..hmm, that “etto”  makes “palm” long ….er

slappy said
from  Reply #398 on: Today at 10:02:52 am »
i still like these lines to mean HERE
“stand and LISTEN… (hear, HERE!)
“HEAR the cool…”    (hear, HERE!)
“HARKEN to…. ”      (hear, HERE!)
but that’s ’cause i like the word stuff,
from Reply #400 on: Today at 04:58:23 pm
i know there are several flagpoles in white point gardens and that jasper guy has a flag too
——————————————————————-
slappy i like your ideas from the word play
stand and listen…..is what you do at the bandstand,gazebo
hear the cool…….the fountain nearby with the fish on it
flagpole….i think one is halfway between the gazebo,and fountain
if i remember right

wow it worked! (i’m glad i named the pics something relevant)

I think the flower/pear/flag bit is brilliant. Good work.

Way to go, Slappy!
Yes, the shadow on the pear does look like a crescent.
Sounds like you are thinking like BP…with his play on words.
(Manatees would take you closer to the Battery…
)
AP

thanks AP! you guys are so good with your pics and especially the map stuff.  I’m going to have to learn how to do that too.
i’m much better with the word play than the maps, or …i like messing with the words more anyway, lol.
i still like these lines to mean HERE
“stand and LISTEN… (hear, HERE!)
“HEAR the cool…”    (hear, HERE!)
“HARKEN to…. ”       (hear, HERE!)
but that’s ’cause i like the word stuff,  ;D
another word for “PETAL”  is FLAG!  (like the daisy petals)
LOOK:
http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/petal
and i think the blyden reference is just that this is the “africa” image….because he thought “africa for the africans”
i don’t know how to overlap them to try to fit them together

Slappy,
Jstarr did a very nice overlay (but did not turn the flower upside down) on page 25 of this thread.
It does have more than a passing resemblance to the state flag.  I do like your pointing out the
crescent shadow in the pear above..giving even more similarity to the flag.

yikes, thank you AP!
i’m  so sorry jstarr! i missed your post! (i’m sorry, been skimming thru a lot lately, and usually it’s in the early early morning)……….but ..i am a little bit different in that i’m thinking of a flagpole or a flag in the garden,  not just that it is the sc flag
i think the flower itself is not just saying south carolina…but that it’s saying “A FLAG” , that the flower is the most prominent  or “key” thing in this image ……..i know there are several flagpoles in white point gardens and that jasper guy has a flag too, i think…the guy that grabbed the flag and put it back up during a battle.
what are u guys using to overlap the pictures? how do you do it?

animal painter

Notice the similarity of the torso and the rounded belly.

Just an afterthought, but looking at the Ellis eagle…
It’s worth noting that the head and tongue is close enough to be a convincing match, even though the rest of the body isn’t. And with Persephone, the belly is good even if the arms are wrong.
It’s like the Juneau hand; Ponce de Leon too. There are certain matches that are convincing just in a small detail of the overall subject, but the pose or the rest of the character might be changed. (When I first saw Persephone I didn’t really buy it because the overall figure didn’t seem that similar, but I like it better now.)

Ivan Mestrovic’s work was featured in the Chicago puzzle. His Persephone has some similarity though it’s no where near Charleston. Could be Preiss/JJP reall liked Mestrovic’s work. I’m compelled to think the connection we should make is that there’s a Greek Mythology compenent to the African puzzle.

I’m telling you, man, there’s no woman in the picture–just a well-camouflaged rabbit. And no matter where I am, it’s staring at me.
Joking aside, I just learned something new. There’s an insect called the “Rabbit Moth” (Megalopyge opercularis) that’s native to the Southern Atlantic coast between North Carolina and Florida.
Unfortunately, a Google search for “siamese clogs” turned up nothing.

That’s about as scary as the vorpal rabbit of Caerbannog…
I’m revising my view that the moth characteristics are solely polyphemus. The hooked tips of the wing are more like the atlas moth. Maybe we’re dealing with a blend. My theory is that this is about relating Polyphemus to Odysseus and Calypso to Atlas. I’m still looking at Denmark Vesey formerly known as Telemachus (same name as Odysseus’ son) connection.

ha. no worries. got big news in store.

Malted,
One more verification of age is here:  This one says it was installed in 1979.
http://tinyurl.com/yzs9tap
Just trying to narrow down the search in Charleston by finding visual confirmers.
AP

might just be me but for a bronze that would have been standing outside in the elements/ not to mention a fountain for 30 some years
that statue looks awful new to me….

Malted,
I guess they clean their artwork regularly… According to this site, the statue and fountain date
from 1972.
AP
http://www.moon.com/destinations/charle … museum-art

What a find !

animal painter

Malted,
I guess they clean their artwork regularly… According to this site, the statue and fountain date
from 1972.
AP
http://www.moon.com/destinations/charle … museum-art

I agree that it is very probable that that fountain has been there since 1972
But the artist is a very famous one and he created several fountains with Persephone in 1972 its possible that this one was moved here at a later date. – and the fountain is named for the statue, not necessarily the date it was installed.
The statue of persephone was created in 1972 and obviously he made several, becaause there is one in detroit, one in new york and Michigan also.  But the simplest explanation is ususally right, so most likely “the 1972 fountain” was installed in 1972.

Image 2 is most definitely Charleston, SC. The woman is depicted as a slave. The gem and clock is for April, Mr. Preiss was a history teacher and the most important historical events for April:
Civil War began with “First shot fired” 4/12/61 from Fort Sumter. Union held.
These didn’t happen in April but relevant for slavery, Charleston and the Civil War.
From the Northern point of Morris Island, Citadel Cadets fired upon the ship “Star of the West” 1861. Citadel was confederate and The Star was bringing supplies to Fort Sumter. 1/1861
Slave auctions were held at the intersection of Broad and East street but due to traffic problems they were banned from outdoor sale and moved to”Ryan’s Mart” on Chalmer’s Street, the only, still existing slave auction building in SC. It was own by the Sheriff Thomas Ryan.

I am going to present my case for an on the ground exploratory expeditionto
Patriots Point
SC. Since we are stuck on this treasure location I though it wouldn’t hurt to explore a new point of view.
In the past I linked the line in verse 5 “a wingles bird ascended, born of ancient dreams of flight”  to the naval base musem and their Vietnam helicopters.  I believe there are other clues that point to this area.
Exhibit
“toothy grin face guy”
I think this guy holds many clues, we just havn’t found them yet. Notice the lines for the string he is hanging on. Those two lines represent the ferrys that go to Ft Sumter. As you can see in he next image they are similar.
One of the ways to get to Fort Sumter is a ferry that leaves from
Patriots Point
.
While we are on the subject of the toothy guy look at this next picture. The triangle shaped teeth in image 2 iseem to me to resemble the tops of these wooden pier poles they have near there. I live in a desert so I don’t know if those are common or not so common but I find a resemblence.
The Arthur Ravenel bridge which is also visible in the distance would the same place that the
Pear
man bridge would have been in 1982. This bridge me to my next point. Preiss has in the past put clues to lead us to places in real life. In this image the pear is clearly a clue to the bridge but why put the bridge as a clue? Preiss already put a map of Charleston in the image, why the pear? I think Preiss was trying to outline the area of
Patriots Point
by not only using the pear but also Coleman Ave which has already been established as outlined on the image as a branch from the pine.
The final clue I think I picked up on is Verse 5’s “Lane 222”
Go to 222 Coleman and you will see this:
Opposite of this you will see this sign:
The clue Lane 222 may be an address that leads us to the entrance to
Patriots Point
and coincidentally where you would see an “arc of lights” from the bridge at night.
I know these clues are not amazing but I do think it is worth a look around the area. There are pictures online of the boats and helicopters but I think we are looking for an out of the way area that may not show up on google, next to the pier perhaps. I dont think it would hurt to look.

Interesting ideas….but we can’t forget that the lines in the mask ARE Charleston.

Unknown

Unknown:
E. Lee Spence, a pioneer underwater archaeologist and prolific author of books and articles about shipwrecks and sunken treasure discovered, with the help of Isle of Palms residents Wally Shaffer and George Campsen Esq., many shipwrecks along the shores of the Isle of Palms in the 1960s. Their discoveries included the Civil War blockade runners Rattlesnake, Stonewall Jackson, Mary Bowers, Constance, Norseman and the Georgiana.

Just re-read this thread and considering V6 with its Blyden/slavery connections. I wondered if Treasure Island might simply indicate an island, eg the Isle of Palms to the right of Sullivan’s, which also seems to have been known as Long Island (long palm’s shadow). There’s a Palm Blvd.
Fair remuneration – fairway / golf…? Fairway Oaks Lane…Fairway Village Lane…
Bar that binds – it’s a barrier island…
The butterfly fringes might be the eastern beaches.

What roman numeral III?

I’m trying to understand this one detail on the Sumter shape. I’m thinking of just two possibilities but neither establish or come from a firm location or setting.
The triangles on the “mouth” might be bunched together to mimic a feature at a site such as a house with two large triangles and several smaller triangles such as this example:
Or, the trinagles could be symbolic of numbers. Two large triangles bookending twelve small triangles might represent “tens” and “ones” for some number like 10 + 1+1+1+1+1+1 +1+1+1+1+1+1 + 10 = 32.
Could be that’s a Latitude number, since Charleston is at 32.77

Is Part 2 of your video on youtube? I found part one, but it cuts off before you give a solution.

the upper mask is a Fang Ngil type.
the lower face is in the shape of a baseball home plate.  (Detroit Lions?)

I’m working with some different ideas here.
Idiom: assuming the mantle
Edwina is Edwin’s daughter.  After Edwin’s passing, Edwina took on the responsibility of preserving his legacy and contribution to art and African American history.
Idiom: like a moth to the flame
A dangerous attraction or natural predilection towards something such as a moth to the flame of a candle or a lemming to a cliff (forgive the misconception) or even a wife to an abusive husband.
Reading between the lines (verse and image), mantle and mantel, cape and fireplace.
Freedom at the birth of a century:  the convention that we are accustomed to in referring to centuries, 19th century or 20th century, stems from the first 100 years after Year 1, which is a reference to the first year of our Lord, or the crucifixion of Jesus of Nazareth.  Freedom in this perspective can only be about the release of a man in prison for murder: Barabas.
Barabas = avoids a murder conviction = keeper Andrew Johnson, who’s wife was ruled a suicide when in fact, upon his death-bed, confessed her murder.

gajojo

Point A (15) –Freedom at the birth of a century: No real clue, but I will throw out two thoughts. 1) I have wondered if this could refer to Liberia (in that Liberia means freedom). I don’t think it could have referred to Simms since from everything I have read, he was pro slavery. However, the verse seems to move to a contrast thing with the “Ors”, so maybe there is an intentional comparison of freedom vs. slavery—but how this line helps us find a casque is beyond me. 2) My other thought is that maybe “Freedom at the birth of a century” could refer to the Jasper Monument (15). Jasper distinguished himself in the defense of Fort Moultrie (then called Fort Sullivan) on June 28, 1776. Thomas Jefferson’s wrote the Declaration of Independence in June of 1776. BP published the book in 1982. That is pretty close to the bicentennial. Could it be a nod toward 1776?—I wonder if that year is anywhere on the Jasper Monument. Century—100 years? Bicentennial—200 years? I know—it is a bad stretch, but from my perspective, this line either has nothing to do with any landmark in WPG (rather a Liberia reference) or it is has to do with the Jasper Monument.

There seems to be a fairly solid consensus that the “Freedom” line refers to Denmark Vesey, a Charleston slave who purchased his freedom after winning a lottery in 1799. There are several historical landmarks recognizing his place in Charleston history around the area of WPG. Also, there was a good amount of controversy around the time BP was putting The Secret together over a painting of Vesey that hangs in the Gaillard Municipal Auditorium. That said, new interpretations are always interesting to consider.

Who is the lepidoptera woman?
The statue of Persephone at the Gibbes Museum of Art in Charleston is a decent comparison.
Or is she Penelope, daughter of Icarus?

That cracks me up, WR! How do you find these crazy matches??

gManTexas

Hey James, this is pretty cool. I’m going to see if there are other issues. Do you have a quick link, or should I hunt around?

Never hunt when you don’t have to! Here’s the link to the SC Digital Library Archives…it’s an awesome resource for exploring any of the proposed dig sites for Image 2:
http://scmemory.org
.

JamesV

Just wanted to pass along “Where is Osceola?”, a cool 1968 article from Sandlapper, the now-defunct magazine of South Carolina. Interesting to read about the alleged “grave robbing” which led to Osceola’s re-interment the next year. Article starts on page 43…and just FYI, as best as I could tell from NPS photos, that cypress tree alongside Osceola’s grave was gone by 1976:
https://dc.statelibrary.sc.gov/bitstrea … sAllowed=y

Hey James, this is pretty cool. I’m going to see if there are other issues. Do you have a quick link, or should I hunt around?

Any ideas what we should see at the site from the image? I really don’t see much to choose from.

Little wacky, but here goes;  you can also see this in the book, not just the scans.  At first, i thought that the scans must have been marked up before uploading.  But I checked the book.  Tell me,
anyone
, that you see this.
The middle guy looks like an LBJ

This image always struck me as less developed than the other 11. It’s not in a particular room, there’s no link between the items in the image.
Think that could be intentional? If so… how?

drunknerds

This image always struck me as less developed than the other 11. It’s not in a particular room, there’s no link between the items in the image.
Think that could be intentional? If so… how?

Possibly because most of the stuff is historical references and no longer exist. The park is mostly devoid of physical markers.

The arms of the lepidoptera lady could be indicating that the image should be reversed, so If you mirror the mask on image 2 which confirms Charleston there is an outline overlaid on the skull which matches the wharf on the plan of Castle Pinckney on this historic map:
http://www.history-map.com/picture/001/ … il-War.htm
This map also has the familiar plan of Fort Sumpter and
Fort Moultrie outline could be the lion’s mouth.
nice place behind a wall again:
http://binged.it/uvcQwG

low?

maltedfalcon

low?

Nevermind, i dont recall exactly whatever it was the ipad autocorrect deleted.  I’ll have to take greater care when posting from that device.

Charles Towne Landing Historic Site
If the image is inverted, this swampy water area resembles the marks on the Lion’s Forehead.
http://goo.gl/maps/svBTj

Folly looks like a great place to dig…but where?

I am not proposing a site on Folly at all.. I still think downtown Charleston somewhere.

when i look at the map someone posted of the silas pearman bridge, they have patriot’s point right after the pear but when i look at it i see the dancer girl, top half around mount pleasant, so the bottom half is patriot’s point, and the limbs coming down pointing to sullivan’s island and isle of palms. am i looking at it wrong?
i also thought of drum island because of the dancer girl but i believe i read it is unihabitable.

slappybuns

when i look at the map someone posted of the silas pearman bridge, they have patriot’s point right after the pear but when i look at it i see the dancer girl, top half around mount pleasant, so the bottom half is patriot’s point, and the limbs coming down pointing to sullivan’s island and isle of palms. am i looking at it wrong?
i also thought of drum island because of the dancer girl but i believe i read it is unihabitable.

you are reading the map correctly.
The mask is representative of Fort Sumpter.

thanks trohn
i’m still jumping around all over, but look at these masks on king street in some parlor…i think it is up there around marion square park
i’m not sure if the right side is a reflection or what but it looks like a skull.
http://flickr.com/photos/bigstimuli/352 … otostream/

unschliemann

Aside: On the scanned image which I downloaded the bars on the pentagonal mask ornament look “red, white, and blue”, couple this with the white star on the mask’s other cheek

excellent first post, welcome to the hunt
I agree with you that the middle bar and the star look white on the scanned image but on the original they are both yellow……sort of a cream color actually.  At least that is how they look to me.

nice post unschliemann and welcome to the hunt

cw0909

nice post unschliemann and welcome to the hunt

Yes indeed….welcome to the madhouse uns…
Stock up on those aspirins my friend.

i always thought the bar white and star cream color, in the original
and wondered if that had some meaning to it , that i couldnt figure out

Thanks for welcoming me to the fold, everyone! I’m glad to have found this place.
One might ask, what color/s are the star and bars, actually? Part of the problem with image reproduction is the “smudging” of chroma. Then, of course, the human eye (via the brain) is known to “fill in blanks” based upon what one expects to see. We can only guess what the artist intended to convey, if anything, by use of a specific color.
Either way, it was funny to me that one of my first reactions to the image (prior even to my recognizing the Charleston, SC coastline map on the tribal skull) led me right to Ft. Sumter.
The mind is a “terrible” thing…

Unknown

Unknown:
Nothing terribly important to share but I just came up with another odd idea after reading the part of your post I quoted above.  Where ever this quote leads us, is it possible that instead of a tree {palm}, we are looking for a person?

Maybe not a person, but maybe something else:
(scroll down a bit to see what)
http://www.texascrawdads.com/calendar

hmmm twins……..wonder if there were twin pirates, lol
remember i mentioned the “rainbow wearer” from the guide……..rainbow row is right by the gardens:
http://travel.yahoo.com/trip-journal-81 … n_savannah
“At the tip of the peninsula, we strolled along the park-like ” Battery at the Harbor” There is a good view of Fort Sumter and
RAINBOW ROW
“

That would make it too easy FB.
What streets are around the park in question?  Is there a Wilmont Ave or a Blyden Blvd?  Is the park in the Wilmont neighborhood?
It just seems to me that the reference in the V to the twins is surrounded by other descriptors of the area.  Logic tells us that EWB is somewhere/somehow nearby.

Quote
but i’m going to concentrate on looking for the “edwin and edwina named after him” part.  maybe on one of the crew lists on the memorials, maybe there is someone named AFTER edward, or edwina. the only thing so far with edward, is knowing that stede bonnet joined blackbeard (edward teach), which still makes me think of ” the long arm of the law, which could go with “below the bar that binds” and “beside the “long palm’s shadow
slappy, I feel compelled to once again post this image — which is found in the exact same book as the Sarmiento quote in V2 — that tells us precisely who Edwin and Edwina are named for. If it were just a matter of finding people after whom Edwin and Edwina could have been named, there are probably many possibilities. But the fact that this was found in the same book makes the probability that the other theories are correct vanishingly small.
———————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————-
i found another Edwin and Edwina ( booth ) bad thing it would take v-6 to new york
and not south carolina, wont have much time to look for any more conects, to v-6
at or around Gramercy Park for a few days
————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————–
http://mariadering.com/pdf/TheTwilightOfEdwinBooth.pdf
The first statue erected to an actor in the world’s metropolis was unveiled in
Gramercy Park.It was America’s manner of knighting Edwin Booth.. . . His daughter,
Edwina Booth Grossmann,sat on a rustic seat at his feet. His grandson, Edwin Booth
Grossmann, lifted his son, the actor’s infant great grandson, in his arms, to look
at the smiling bronze.
——————————————————————————-
but then on the other hand i found a Nautical reference, here for battery park
south carolina, maybe could work for bat park ny too who knows
i think i read  bat park s.c. has an anchor ,relates to palm’s
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/palm
9. Nautical
a. the blade of an oar.
b. the inner face of an anchor fluke.
c. (loosely) an anchor fluke.

@Mac, no worries at all- IMHO, the real benefit to these forums is how the back-and-forth discussion helps spark new ideas. Feel free to bounce new ideas off me anytime. Everyone on Q4T would agree, a puzzle isn’t solved until you’ve got a casque in hand.

maltedfalcon

well that and fort sumter…

So like i said, totally, maps. I am definitely not claiming to know it all haha. Or how each image works. I’m Boston anyway. But starting to look more at the others as I go. Thanks for the input…i enjoy swapping the ideas. Def wasn’t saying that my map ideas of Charleston were right either, just sharing what i saw. Now time for a good new england style IPA.

maltedfalcon

well that and fort sumter…

Haha, I was about to make the exact same joke.

Mac, I have not read all the 1000 comments here, but I am wondering if anyone has been to the library there in Charleston to check articles about the switch of the capstan and the Moultrie statue. There should be some companies involved that might still have some records of the exchange. I have tried to look online, but you have to pay $40 to get an out of state library card.

Smokey Joe Would

Mac, I have not read all the 1000 comments here, but I am wondering if anyone has been to the library there in Charleston to check articles about the switch of the capstan and the Moultrie statue. There should be some companies involved that might still have some records of the exchange. I have tried to look online, but you have to pay $40 to get an out of state library card.

May be useful, maybe they found something.
Although burnside said he poked around there and it’s packed clay no more than 2 feet down

10-4. I am also sure that area has been poked and prodded a lot, especially in the last few weeks. Plus that place is pretty open and Preiss would have to had been pretty ballsy to dig there. Just seems like a lot of evidence points there, if that is even the right verse. So fantastically frustrating!!

I dont recall any detailed info about how it was swapped. I would figure they filled the area with clay type substance and then laid the crushed oysters on top for the path.
I dont have a library card but can still go to the library next time I get downtown.
Regards,
Mac

I dont recall any detailed info about how it was swapped. I would figure they filled the area with clay type substance and then laid the crushed oysters on top for the path.
I dont have a library card but can still go to the library next time I get downtown.
Regards,
Thanks, i am sure that most of the folks on here have exausted a lot of trails. I was trying to go in from a different angle. If there are any untried ones left.

Smokey Joe Would

10-4. I am also sure that area has been poked and prodded a lot, especially in the last few weeks. Plus that place is pretty open and Preiss would have to had been pretty ballsy to dig there. Just seems like a lot of evidence points there, if that is even the right verse. So fantastically frustrating!!

I was once convinced it was WPG, now I’m not. There are so many weird things in the painting: Hex eyes, diagonal teeth, etc. There are a lot of statues in WPG, still there like they were in 1982. It’s really weird to me that Preiss wouldn’t have included at least one match of a park item to an image item. FInd those eyes or those teeth and that’s a location I’ll champion.

As much as I hate to acknowledge the I2/V6 WPG theory in any way,
if you feel like exploring this one further you should definitely fire off a quick email to the City of Charleston’s Parks and Recreation Department:
https://www.charlestonparksconservancy. … int-garden
. They can almost certainly provide more information on the relocation of the USS Maine’s capstan, or any of the other monuments in WPG.
If you’re in the area and looking for period photos of the area, or any other first-person accounts, be sure to check out the Charleston County Library’s South Carolina Room
https://www.ccpl.org/south-carolina-history
at their main branch, 68 Calhoun Street.
FWIW, I started my career working for the city of Charleston, and I’ve also spent my share of time around WPG (as well as the rest of the city). For the life of me, I still can’t figure out why so many hunters think that Byron Preiss would have selected this park, given the book’s immigration theme. WPG has a lot of impressive military memorials, but nothing at all related to the area’s slave trade…

drunknerds

FInd those eyes or those teeth and that’s a location I’ll champion.

This is Fort Moultrie’s sallyport prior to 1975/76, when it was converted from a military base to a national monument. The slits are now just solid panes of glass, but I’ve been unable to confirm what they would have looked like in 1981/1982.

What drunknerds said beats me down everyday… the lack of EXACT visual references as shown in the Cleveland, Chicago finds and the new info on NOLA.
We have to find some EXACT visual markers. Most of the image only seems to show “general” Charleston.
Regards,
Mac

With all due respect JamesV, as I have scoured your solve over and over I just dont see Preiss putting the casque at your location. The grass is too manicured and was in 82. Also, the missing tree leaves look nothing like the tree shown in your theory. But just my opinion and I respect your work.
Regards,
Mac

I have also tried to match a statue with the fairie, but can not for the life of me. Sullivan’s Island actually makes more sense as it was so connected with slavery. I have just struggled with the thought that he would bury it at a National Park site. If we could confirm which verse, it would certainly help. But, I guess that is why we haven’t found it yet.

I have a new theory in development. Based on the LotJ, I think the first order of business is to understand The reference of “bright harvest of the midnight rock”: cotton. It was the “cotton gin” that factored into the increased demand for slaves for cotton harvests. The same goes for tobacco.
I think it’s possible the “tree spirits” of Africa were mindful of this device that led to the Civil War. Strangely, ironically, the word “gin” is also a “spirit”. This leads me to wonder if there’s a prohibition era link to the puzzle. Perhaps that is why verse 6 begins with the age of rum running pirates.

erexere

I have a new theory in development. Based on the LotJ, I think the first order of business is to understand The reference of “bright harvest of the midnight rock”: cotton. It was the “cotton gin” that factored into the increased demand for slaves for cotton harvests. The same goes for tobacco.
I think it’s possible the “tree spirits” of Africa were mindful of this device that led to the Civil War. Strangely, ironically, the word “gin” is also a “spirit”. This leads me to wonder if there’s a prohibition era link to the puzzle. Perhaps that is why verse 6 begins with the age of rum running pirates.

This would have a lots of legs if prohibition was ratified or went into effect on the 8th of something.

gManTexas

This would have a lots of legs if prohibition was ratified or went into effect on the 8th of something.

It has legs as is. We don’t want to get too wrapped up in running with a single idea. I think it’s more important to consider Preiss’ strategies in linking each fair folk to a particular setting. There are several lines linked together for some reason, and not because they are talking about the same thing.
Or May 1913: seems to me like a trick reference to whoever was the MAY-OR of Charleston in 1913. We’re talking about John P. Grace (namesake of the Bridge).
Edwin and Edwina, named after him: without knowing the tough to find Abroad in America reference, you think twin babies taking on an important person’s name (succession), Edward being a good possibility. I like that the choice of Edwin/Edwina both have the letters WIN as in twin. I think there’s something there trying to nudge us into an analogy to two dissimilar things sharing the same namesake.
Freedom at the birth of a century: I’ve thought it links best to a Presidential medal of Freedom recipient on a year which is 100 years or 200 years from the birth of our Nation.
Or on the 8th a scene / where law defended: seems like it refers to a criminal act. My favorite is the story that’s been cited in several magazine/newspaper sources about a murder at a lighthouse that occurred on April 8th in 1873.
I find it odd as hell that you can travel in the direction of the Grace Memorial bridge out of Charleston and 30 miles away you come to a pair of twin lighthouses, which look very different from one another, but built side by side, where a keeper with the name Andrew Johnson, murdered his wife; Johnson is the name of 1977 Medal of Freedom recipient Lady Bird Johnson (200 years after 1776 birth of our nation). It may be noteworthy that the verse for this image also mentions birds a couple times. Also it seems to be reinforced if you consider the name of the Vice President (close at hand in the white house) at the time of Sumter’s events of the Civil War is also Andrew Johnson.

This would make a great Oliver Stone movie. Although I like some of this theory.

gManTexas

This would make a great Oliver Stone movie. Although I like some of this theory.

I was thinking more of a Scorsese and his single long shots in Goodfellas.
I’ve worked hard to find these facts, harder to understand their nature, even harder to conclude they were accessible to the general public in a pre internet era.

I think the world of you, erexere. No one else can do what you do, and I hope you lift a casque someday soon.
On that note, I’m not 100% convinced that “cryptic reference to cotton = prohibition =
” is going to be part of a solution.

Yeah, just wondering how the Fair Folk would view the whole slavery, crop industry, and civil war without taking to the bottle. The “cotton gin” as an insight may be weakish word play. I think it’s one of the better choices for what.to do with the LotJ.

Unknown

Unknown:
It seemed to have been constructed  for  no  especial  use  within  itself,  but  formed merely the interval between two of the colossal supports of the roof  of  the catacombs,  and was  backed  by  one of  their circumscribing walls of solid granite. It  was in vain that Fortunato, uplifting his  dull torch, endeavored to pry into the depth of the recess. Its termination the feeble light did not enable us to see.

Unknown

Unknown:
Withdrawing the key I stepped back from the recess. “Pass  your  hand,”  I  said,  “over  the  wall;  you cannot help feeling the nitre. Indeed it is very damp. Once more let me implore you to return.”

…aha, Poe’s short story “The Casque of Amontillado” (also called “The Cask of Amontillado”) has “walls of solid granite”.
http://www.ibiblio.org/ebooks/Poe/Amontillado.pdf
(Fortunato gets chained there and left to die.)
(Like I say, the Edgar Allan Poe library is near the lighthouse, so the verse might still be talking about that “site” at this point.)

I like how this image evokes thoughts of wild Africa and honoring the spirit of freedom and grace.  The daisy and the chain seem like a clue that there will be more than a few links to work through.

This Boston stuff about using midnight as a clue for a 12th stone, and possible reference to “…the Age’s harvest reaping”, reminded me of the curious litany entry for Charleston:
Bright harvest of the midnight rock
Midnight rock, 12 stone, 12 St…? (Common abbreviation in Europe.)
Station Twelve St…(continues up past the church, circled with Moultrie flag sign…)
The “twelfth station” was the crucifixion…
Lane
Two twenty two
Station 22 and Station 22-and-a-half St
You’ll see an arc of lights
Lighthouse, rotating light / arclight
Weight and roots extended
Together saved the site
Of granite walls
Wind swept halls
Citadel in the night
Reminiscent of Moultrie, though I think there might be stuff in there we haven’t fully unravelled yet. Before reaching Moultrie, you pass Citadel St…
A wingless bird ascended
Born of ancient dreams of flight
…while proceeding west along Poe Ave…
Beneath the only standing member
Of a forest
To the south
Which leads you to Osceola…”to the south” might be a repetition of “beneath”…
White stone closest
White stone “close st”…? White stone, white st, street, saint…? (Stella Maris, Mary)
At twelve paces
Osceola fought a number of duels, eg see
here
.
From the west side
Get permission
To dig out
Could be that rock, or near the church, or by the beach…I reckon it’s somewhere around here though.
I expect we’ve overlooked some Poe references or quotations. Some of this stuff about windswept halls and citadels in the night sounds like it might come from Poe.
http://literarytraveler.com/literary_ar … sland.aspx
He seems to be central to this puzzle, with Poe Ave leading from “Lane two twenty two” to Moultrie. The Edgar Allan Poe library is on L’on (Lion) a couple of blocks from the lighthouse. He was stationed at Moultrie, wrote about balloons, treasure and
gold skulls
, also a book called
The Casque of Amontillado
.
Get permission to dig out
I’m also fairly dubious about BP burying a casque somewhere (presumably without permission) and then telling you to go see some official to allow you to remove it again. It doesn’t seem to fit the style of this book. It seems more likely to be some kind of cryptic clue to me.
Since BP had planned a sequel with an explanation of any solved casques, he might have intended crossover clues like “midnight rock” to emerge gradually.

erexere

A predator behind a mask behind a spot-winged moth.
Insects use a variety of defense mechanisms against predators.  Spots supposedly look like big eyes to help fend off predators.  This basically represents a disguise.  A mask is a disguise.  What kind of animals have disguises?
Raccoons?  If this is simple enough logic, does it follow that BP is referring to the Cape Romain Lighthouses being built on the island named Raccoon Key (now known as Lighthouse Island)?

The ears of a raccoon are shaped mich like the arches that form the eye socket and brow portion of the mask and the black patches along with eyes looks much like a moths wings.  Picking a location defined by a raccoon makes a lot of sense when artistically combining these layers.  The relationships here are characteristically intentional.

erexere

Caution yourselves to consider the shadow searching concept requiring sun position and time of day can be very difficult to pull off or replicate. Kit Williams used that method, so it is possible.
Another read of the word shadow could simply mean one thing is perceived as less than or diminished by comparison to another. Yet another interpretation could point to following in someone else’s footsteps or repeating the same task.

I don’t think it has to be exact because it just says near.

Sure. I suppose he could’ve buried it at 4pm’s shadow and assumed someone could solve the clues to get near the same spot. Upon failing to find the exact spot, he would’ve stepped in to say they are close enough.

pokerfacegsh

It is at White Point Garden on the battery wall.
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7693332 … 704!8i4352
Note this whole area as previous posts have mentioned has been renovated so where it sat in 1982 I have no idea. ‘

Yeah, that’s quite fun, well spotted.

I am on the ground in Charleston. Have been for 15 years.
Regards,
Mac

Macfos

Hi MrBackStop – When I first starting pouring over all of this information (I have read about 20K posts.. lol) that was my first thought. Then I remembered that the entire section of the area you are talking about was completely removed and rebuilt several years back, so if the casque was there, it is gone now. See the link below:
http://mip.hcss.com/most-interesting-project/mip2015/projects/battery-seawall/
I look forward to your thoughts on image 2 as you progress through the information. There is a lot to catch up on for both of us!
Regards,
Mac

Thanks for that image Mac. Very cool to see this image and you’re right the casque could be gone.
However, the photo of the rebuild only reinforces my solve.
http://mip.hcss.com/wp-content/uploads/ … tery-1.jpg
Look at the first bush in the landscape bed. The construction photo shows undisturbed sandy ground to both sides. I believe the casque is on the right or left or even below that bush. Why? You ask?
I believe the #33 in the Artwork represents the 1933 triangulation marker on the sea wall about 4-5 feet north of the edge of “The Turn”. The marker is smaller than a cell phone in the Sea Wall between he first and second post just North of the new cement. Which brings me to another point, the shape of the post is represented on the forehead of the mask,…some have called a skull. That skull actually represents the Old City Jail (built in 1680 which is a reason for the #80 in the lion’s mane), but I digress.
The setting sun creates a shadow from the Defender’s Staue extended arm (palm) on the sea wall near that 1933 triangulation marker and verse states:
Below the bar that binds ( The Turn )
Beside the long palm’s shadow ( The palm of the extended hand on the Defender’s Statue )
So if the treasure has not already been discovered, it is embedded in that landscape bed in the area of that bush. Depending on when that bush was planted and how shallow it was planted ( doesn’t need a lot of depth for a young bush ) could mean it might be under or partially under that bush or “Beside” another bush against that wall.
MrBackstop

JoshCornell

you are close man, but that is not the right location you have linked on your google image…

Look at the street view and if you look to the left and down on the ground you can see the marker. It is on the ground in the turn of the battery.
There is also another marker to the right but I cannot make out what it is or find a picture.

Macfos

I agree with Josh. It is either not the correct location or it has been lost.
Regards,
Mac

Or maybe that Wiki site has just been using the wrong Verse for this particular Image?

Unknown

Unknown:
Which brings me to another point, the shape of the post is represented on the forehead of the mask,…some have called a skull. That skull actually represents the Old City Jail (built in 1680 which is a reason for the #80 in the lion’s mane), but I digress.

Interesting idea…but the Old City Jail has to be at least half a mile away, next to the Beaufain Street housing projects. I’d probably give more credence to this idea if you could at least see the jail from WPG.
I started working from the “established” I2/V6 pairing myself last year, but ended up going back to the drawing board mainly due to the lack of visual confirmations near any of the proposed dig sites along the Battery. Definitely take the time to read through the I2 and V5/V6 threads in their entirety– it’s fascinating to see how these ideas have been examined over time.
Keep hunting!

This is the closest thing I have seen to the medallion that looks like fort Sumter. It is a plaque at Battery Park.
http://www.charlestonbatterytour.com/ch … plaque.jpg

Hi pokerface – Very interesting. The wording of the sign does make the shape of Fort Sumter. Where is that plaque located? I have never seen it.
Regards,
Mac

It is at White Point Garden on the battery wall.
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7693332 … 704!8i4352
Note this whole area as previous posts have mentioned has been renovated so where it sat in 1982 I have no idea. ‘

JamesV

Interesting idea…but the Old City Jail has to be at least half a mile away, next to the Beaufain Street housing projects. I’d probably give more credence to this idea if you could at least see the jail from WPG.
I started working from the “established” I2/V6 pairing myself last year, but ended up going back to the drawing board mainly due to the lack of visual confirmations near any of the proposed dig sites along the Battery. Definitely take the time to read through the I2 and V5/V6 threads in their entirety– it’s fascinating to see how these ideas have been examined over time.
Keep hunting!

I’m just saying the Old City Jail reinforces the Charleston area. If you look at the Mask/Skull you will notice the skull shape is just like that of the unusual front windows with the 2 smaller windows inside the one large pointed opening. Also, the “eyes” of the Mask/Skull appear to be upside down jail windows with bars on them.
And like I said, the casque could have been found by someone other than us on this board especially if that entire landscape bed has been searched.
Since I’m a newbie at this let me ask this question, “Are all the clues supposed to be able to be seen from the treasue spot?” I mean in Chicago, could the casque be seen from the Chicago Water Tower or the statues? I haven’t really looked at the SOLVED images yet. thanks

Unknown

Unknown:
by JamesV » Sat Jan 27, 2018 10:19 am Or maybe that Wiki site has just been using the wrong Verse for this particular Image?

Correct James. I meant for consideration of verse 6.
Regards,
Mac

My theory is that the cask is actually in White Point Garden and not along the battery.
(If still present given multiple floods, hurricanes etc.)
I think the reference to treasure island is important in Verse 6 is important.
When I think about pirates and how they hid their treasure, I think about X marks the spot.
I feel the rest of the verse is giving the four points to make an X from points in the park.
Palm trees can live up to 100 years and assuming none have been destroyed over time. (That is a big assumption)
There is one palm tree just behind the Confederate Defenders of Charleston statue that appears to be the largest in the park.
“Beside the long palm’s shadow” would indicate it is near this tree.
Between two arms could be a line drawn between the statues or the cannons.
Below the bar that binds.
There are metal bars that bind the blocks along the edge of the Confederate Defenders of Charleston Statue near where a cross point of the arms and the shadow would sit.
Also, I have not seen any thoughts about the verse
Edwin and Edwina named after him.
One of the most famous pirates was Edward Teach otherwise known as Blackbeard.
I know he occupied Charleston for some time.
This is also the same time that Stede Bonnet was captured. (The memorial stone about pirate hanging in White Point Garden.)

Here I juxtaposed the two images I think you’re talking about:
I guess I kind of see it. But a lot of times I miss obvious features, so I’m not the best judge of this
Also, you GOTTA check out those Chi and Cle
solves, it’s easily the #1 thing that will help you with new ones.
Welcome to the hunt!

I agree with Josh. It is either not the correct location or it has been lost.
Regards,
Mac

Hi drunknerds – What year is the picture above image 2 you posted?
Also, I am going to scout some spots in about 30 minutes… Will be gone most of the afternoon and will post my findings later this evening, if anything of interest comes up.
Regards,
Mac

So the forth sumpter pentagon’s pole-and-shadow can also be thought of as a clock face that reads 4:00. 4:00 PM is also about the time the sun’s position would cause that shadow.
So… let’s check out the shadow of the palms by the Moultrie statue at 4 pm… To the satellite!

Macfos

Hi drunknerds – What year is the picture above image 2 you posted?
Also, I am going to scout some spots in about 30 minutes… Will be gone most of the afternoon and will post my findings later this evening, if anything of interest comes up.
Regards,
Mac

Hi!
It’s the Old City Jail in Charleston that MrBackstop was referencing a few posts earlier

Caution yourselves to consider the shadow searching concept requiring sun position and time of day can be very difficult to pull off or replicate. Kit Williams used that method, so it is possible.
Another read of the word shadow could simply mean one thing is perceived as less than or diminished by comparison to another. Yet another interpretation could point to following in someone else’s footsteps or repeating the same task.

erexere

Kit Williams used that method, so it is possible.

Europe was forever trolled by a guy hiding a treasure in England in a location that can only be found when it is sunny.

Exere, that’s a good point with time and time of year. If the 4:00 position represents April as the diamond does, then the angle of the setting sun in April will be later in the day and several feel away from where that is today.
Good Luck and a big go get’em to Mac!

I think April is a big part of this puzzle.
Also, I think it’s important to think “where would a Baobab Tree Spirit think to hide the casque?” I get that Charleston has its deep historic roots, but how exactly does that lead us to a perspective formed by the wood “in-dwellers”.

I agree that the Ft. Moultrie grounds are more promising than the lighthouse. But I didn’t notice any white stones when I was there. The beach area is a different matter.
There’s just no telling where trees were in 1981. That part of the coast is battered by hurricanes regularly.
I also agree with Trohn that
ancient dreams of flight
is evocative of either helicopters or the underground railroad, but
wingless bird ascended
is consistent only with the former.
As to getting in touch with the artist (John Jude Palencar), Egbert might know. Palencar was interviewed for the Cleveland Plain Dealer article on the 2004 find.
Trohn: dolphins as “wingless birds ascended” are unlikely. On what basis?
As for seeking permission… I got there after Ft. Moultrie was closed for the day, and there was NO ONE official around, anywhere. Just beachcombers.
Finally, the closest match we’ve found to the lion’s head in Charleston is King St. (“king of the jungle”), which is a major street terminating at White Point Gardens in Charleston proper. As for lions appearing on posts and wrought-ironwork, I’ve heard about this a few times, but when I was there I didn’t see a single representation of a lion. Maybe I wasn’t looking hard enough.

lobster411

I don’t know why this would be mentioned in this verse but not the others.  If the second location is correct, it could refer to the tide.  12 paces would put one very close to the shore.  Perhaps even close enough that one would only be able to dig with the tide down.
Next week, I will be going to Charleston to check out both locations and maybe even dig.  Any information or advice you could give before then would be very helpful.

I can’t imagine him burying anything anywhere on a beach.  I search periodically for gold and silver coins from the 1715 fleet on the East Coast of Florida.  I know that an item on a beach can become buried under several feet of sand or washed out to sea in just a couple of days or shorter.  Plus, if you have ever tried digging past 6 inches or so in sand near the oceans edge, you will find it is near impossible as you hit water and the hole keeps filling back up with sand.  Anything buried near a coast would almost HAVE to be behind the dune line due to these reasons, or it would be lost in no time.

I’d be intersted to see an example with a line on only half of the mask in that shape.–All the examples ive found are so old and beat up there is little detail.–We are talking about the same line right? The one that starts on the right at Ft. Sumpter and makes a strange arc up the Charleston Peninsula?–I would really like to see an example of that design in an actual mask–that way i can leave it alone  😉

Been away from the board for a while–WOW–nice find Lob!
Good luck to you–the book has said it could be down 3 1/2 feet, dig deep.  I hope that you find it!

Good luck!  I eagerly await your updates!

I really doubt a lighthearted, comedic book about a treasure hunt would rely on the history of lynchings to lead folks to the treasure.

forest_blight

I really doubt a lighthearted, comedic book about a treasure hunt would rely on the history of lynchings to lead folks to the treasure.

History ain’t all ’bout smelling the roses, my friend.  Thorns and local color may bring our attention to uncomfortable topics.  Do you think this hunt is G-rated or E-for-everyone?  I think it’s at least a PG, which may dredge up some ideas that have shock value.  Alcatraz in SF is one example.  Are we allowed to discuss it only as a landmark but not mention the awful representation of incarceration of our worst criminals?  The events around Sumter weren’t so pretty, nor was the assination of President Lincoln, yet we find a way to hold such historically relevant topics in a discussable category.
Lynching, rather the protest of such dreadful acts is surely something Preiss may have thought worth basing a puzzle on.  It could be utilized to achieve a sense for finding a location that is below something which is hanging or it could relate to a famous murder scene, talked about locally, representing historic value.  Billy Holiday and Woody Guthrie’s anti-lynching songs serve to make the dark topic accessible.  I wouldn’t say this hunt is totally lighthearted in design.  I think historical material will always have it’s darker aspect.  Any young adult might be better off having to face or acknowledge history in that manner.  It’s how we learn.

hey boogie….your links dont work.  would love to see what you found

Spiritr

you should know what I’m referring. Since you’ve been there and you’re right next to it. Check again, look carefully.

i mean other than the catfish at the hunley monument…are you referring to the painting…or one of the pics macfos posted?

The pear is in reference to Richmond
Pear
son Hobson, who had the USS Hobson named after him. A memorial to the USS Hobson is in Charleston, SC in White Point Garden.
Here’s my Image 2 solution that leads to the top of the shadow of the Charleston, SC Hobson Memorial on April 26 at 4pm (sundial time). What do you think?
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1lxkCnE … sp=sharing

jamesrogers2

The pear is in reference to Richmond
Pear
son Hobson, who had the USS Hobson named after him. A memorial to the USS Hobson is in Charleston, SC in White Point Garden.
Here’s my Image 2 solution that leads to the top of the shadow of the Charleston, SC Hobson Memorial on April 26 at 4pm (sundial time). What do you think?
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1lxkCnE … sp=sharing

Yessir always believed it had to do with the sundial if at all in WPG. 4pm shadow at the palm. Sent on- hoping to meet up.