Kang

Apologies, I thought it was a generic term for old-timey hat. No offense was meant. I stand corrected. Is there anything you don’t know Malted? Lol.

I don’t know where the casques are…

Unknown

Unknown:
A march or mark was, in broad terms, a medieval European term for any kind of borderland, as opposed to a notional “heartland”. More specifically, a march was a border between realms, and/or a neutral/buffer zone under joint control of two states, in which different laws might apply. In both of these senses, marches served a political purpose, such as providing warning of military incursions, or regulating cross-border trade, or both.

The Aquamarine is the jewel for Cleveland (ignoring the sapphire debacle), and is the birthstone for March.
A “march” is also a word used to describe a boundary,
I think BP acted with purpose when he chose the Terminal Tower and leads the seeker to a rectangle bounded plot “beneath two countries”. If you think about it, quite simply, two countries can’t exist without a “march”.

If you are just asking whether the two feline heads are the same, it’s hard to tell.  [The image is dark, but on closer inspection I see a lion’s full mane around our image’s face, which is not really like the panther in the photo at all.] If you are asking whether that location is a match to the clues, I don’t think so.
I was thinking that there would be a wall fountain more closely resembling the image, rather than taking the attributes separately.  For example, in the image the lion head is inside the alcove under the arch, not above it as in the photo.  The book image also shows a small shell bowl in the wall, inside the alcove under the arch.  I think the right location has to take all of those attributes into account.
Bellow the shell bowl in the image are two pillars or columns which might be part of another structure.  I imagine there is a single large park with a horse statue at one end and that wall fountain at the opposite entrance, and the building silhouetted in the tree branches will be visible in the distance.  The pillars might be near the fountain, or they might be in yet another area of the park.
We have the Chicago image as a reference for just how close together the visual clues are linked in real life.  Also, they seem to be quite literal likenesses for the real thing, so our horse statue is not going to be just any statue, but the horse must be posed in the same manner.
I tried online searches for images of horse statues — and there are a LOT of them just in Philadelphia proper — but have not yet come up with even a close match.  Perhaps it is a famous painting and not a statue, hanging in a famous lobby?

Glossiphoniidae

If I told you where a casque was buried, would it matter what path you took to get there?

If I buried 12 casques and DID NOT tell you where they were buried but instead encoded clues into 12 poems and 12 paintings that when correctly interpreted leads someone to a spot to dig one up – and two thus far been already found, and those clues appeared to have a beginning, an end and discrete points in between, would understanding how the clues
as I intended them to be clues
and whatever path exists from beginning to end for the two that were already solved be helpful in trying to understand how to interpret similar clues in the other puzzles and would that possibly lead to another one being found?
Now THAT is the question.
(As well as a run on sentence).

Kang

If I buried 12 casques and DID NOT tell you where they were buried but instead encoded clues into 12 poems and 12 paintings that when correctly interpreted leads someone to a spot to dig one up – and two thus far been already found, and those clues appeared to have a beginning, an end and discrete points in between, would understanding how the clues
as I intended them to be clues
and whatever path exists from beginning to end for the two that were already solved be helpful in trying to understand how to interpret similar clues in the other puzzles and would that possibly lead to another one being found?
Now THAT is the question.
(As well as a run on sentence).

But that’s what people have been doing for 20-30 years, and another has not been solved.

Glossiphoniidae

But that’s what people have been doing for 20-30 years, and another has not been solved.

Yup. And if any of the remaining ones are recoverable, someone’s going to get it right one of these tries and dig up another one.
And It’s highly likely that person will have done so by following a certain set of clues in a logical order (per their subjective interpretation of those clues).
And I guarantee that person will be very happy. (And I will be happy for them – and ask them how they did it).

Kang

However, even with your ‘full path” theory, only one small tweak would be needed at the traffic circle in your pic to transition from East Blvd to Liberty Blvd.

yes true almost like you would think BP would stick something like a horsetail map in the image to keep you on track
Yes I realize Liberty would be a more direct route to the casque location but….
Assuming a reversed verse, your first instruction is…. “
For the search.
Seek the columns
To find casque’s destination
So East Blvd.

maltedfalcon

Assuming a reversed verse, your first instruction is…. ” For the search – Seek the columns – To find casque’s destination

maltedfalcon

yes true almost like you would think BP would stick something like a horsetail map in the image to keep you on track

Totally see your thinking here. And while I agree that certain things must be reversed with the verse, I think that “assuming a reversed verse” as in fully reversed linearly from end to beginning might be an assumption too far. If you are arguing that the entire verse must be reversed, then I would argue several things:
First that the dig instructions would need to be the first lines (and thus last lines when reversed), which they are not. And that would mean that “Beneath two countries” and “As the road curves” would take place at the end of the verse instructions, which would run counter to your argument that the curved road is East Blvd traffic circle – and it doesn’t fit for me – that the planter spot is “Beneath two countries.” While Liberty Blvd for that clue would (to me).
So, I believe it is a better fit if the verse is selectively reversed or in chunks.
Agree with the thought, but have a different spot in mind. The road curves we are discussing are near identical in shape. So I think there’s no objective evidence against either of them being incorrect. So a subjective thing it is, I guess…
Would also like your thoughts on the Italian wall image matches. (Arch w keystone, lion/shell fountain). The only place one can see those is from Parkgate (specifically the path that runs along it up to that area). Why would those be in the painting if they could never been seen with an approach that comes from East Blvd? Wondering how this works into your path. You haven’t said, so I don’t want to assume anything.
I appreciate your thoughts and insights MaltedFalcon. And appreciate this debate as one where reasonable folks think about other’s idea in an effort to try and understand more about how BP intended the clues to work. And can ultimately have different opinions. Thank you. Any thoughts on the above?

Okay let me throw this out there since you asked directly
I am not ready to defend the following theory it is going to take a lot of research
and I won’t be able to spend any time on it until July
so far I only have chicago, Cleveland, SF, houston, and Milwaukee documented
I suspect in one form or another
Every Image/Verse combination – There are two separate specific routes that take you to the park
It has been suggested to me that there is a way in and a way out.
but I think it is simply a method of bi-angulating onto the proper park
to be specific not only is there one path there are two
in Cleveland the path goes down euclid to ford and east blvd
The second path goes down st clair to Liberty past Park gate (MLK)
so actually both horsetails work.
as far as once you get there since I have never actually been on site at the greek garden – im not sure

I think I may have found something. In the podcast for Chicago, they said the casque was found where “fence and fixture” make a right angle. In rhe painting, if you draw a line out to the right of where Chicago is in the outline of Illinois, you find a black semi-circle under the fence. I don’t know what this is, but if you look at Chcago as a fixture in the painting, the dark area could represent the dig spot. Anyone think this could be a visual key to pinpointing the others?

Guardian

I think I may have found something. In the podcast for Chicago, they said the casque was found where “fence and fixture” make a right angle. In rhe painting, if you draw a line out to the right of where Chicago is in the outline of Illinois, you find a black semi-circle under the fence. I don’t know what this is, but if you look at Chcago as a fixture in the painting, the dark area could represent the dig spot. Anyone think this could be a visual key to pinpointing the others?

when you actually comparet the casque spot to the fence and fixture it wasn’t a right angle, although it was lined up wiht the fence, not so much the fixture…

maltedfalcon

when you actually comparet the casque spot to the fence and fixture it wasn’t a right angle, although it was lined up wiht the fence, not so much the fixture…

The spot in the painting is off a little, though in the wrong direction.

Doghousereiley

I dont think the arrow is one of the clock hands they are white on the Chicago casque

your mileage may vary,
also know that much of the paint has flaked off in layers so the last layer ie the black around the hands of the clock
would have been the first to go….

Did those guys ever go back to the site to see if they can recover more pieces?

Choice

Did those guys ever go back to the site to see if they can recover more pieces?

many people have
and I believe originally they were very thorough.
I’m not sure if any subsequent searchers have found any more pieces.

Unknown

Unknown:
If I actually got my hands on the pieces and photograph them myself, I could reconstruct this in much more detail

So, what’s stopping you?

Euhirudinea

So, what’s stopping you?

I live in California, the pieces are not.
all the pieces are not in one place – they do not belong to me and the owner is busy
so i’ve done the best I can with what I have
and now I see I was wrong and this clock definitely points at 3:00

the left side shows the adjusted pieces
the right side shows the adjusted pieces with the hands from chicago superimposed to show what a 3:00 position would look like.

So the 6 O’clock position on the Gay Cask is correct!

Sorry I posted this in the wrong thread, deleted it and here it is now…
If I actually got my hands on the pieces and photograph them myself, I could reconstruct this in much more detail
but as it is I see it is not 5:00
it is not 4:20 (since the large hand does point to the 12)
It looks kind of like the small hand points to the 10, but that is arguable still.
but from this reconstruction all I can say is it is not 2:00, 3:00, 4:00 or 5:00

Best guess is the time is the same as image, 1 o’clock to 12.
That eye piece could be rotated up a bit more to allow for 4 o’clock.

maltedfalcon

Sorry I posted this in the wrong thread, deleted it and here it is now…
If I actually got my hands on the pieces and photograph them myself, I could reconstruct this in much more detail
but as it is I see it is not 5:00
it is not 4:20 (since the large hand does point to the 12)
It looks kind of like the small hand points to the 10, but that is arguable still.
but from this reconstruction all I can say is it is not 2:00, 3:00, 4:00 or 5:00

Hmmm
not sure what I am looking at. can you take out the Chicago image so we can see what’s left
I can’t say it is not 4:20. I can see from your post that anything is pointing to 12

Choice

Best guess is the time is the same as image, 1 o’clock to 12.
That eye piece could be rotated up a bit more to allow for 4 o’clock.

it could but then the line under the eye looks wonky
also then need to explain the straight line pointing at the 10

I am not sure about the part for 12 either. it is only the 2 part. there should a the 1 in the space to its right to complete the 12

the shard for 12 is up side down. it is the top of the 7 and the right cheek of face

Doghousereiley

the shard for 12 is up side down. it is the top of the 7 and the right cheek of face

You mean that big red piece belongs down in the blue area?
and the arrow that is under the 2 goes where?
and If I do that it completely covers up the lips…

I think I see what you are talking about when you mean arrow
I think you meant the black line
because the clock hand are white outlined in black
that black could be a shadow from the nose and your 2 of 12 the nose
If the black part is the arrow. point it to the four. the colors match. you can see by the 8s that the numbers are not identical
I say your bottom part of 2 of 12 is the top of 4
it is obvious not par t of 12 because the is nothing in the 10 columns. or nothign in front 2 to make it a 12
so in my mind it is not part of 12

Are you sure that’s a line to 10 or just the broken sharp edge of the piece?

does anyone know who painted the inside of the lids?
JoEllen Trilling?
Does that person know the times on lids?
Where they left unpainted so Byron or JJP could fill them in?
The lids had to be painted before he buried them. so there must of been a logic to the times
my thinking was that the lid was the indentifying feature

I think she holds that info for authentication.

Doghousereiley

does anyone know who painted the inside of the lids?
JoEllen Trilling?
Does that person know the times on lids?
Where they left unpainted so Byron or JJP could fill them in?
The lids had to be painted before he buried them. so there must of been a logic to the times
my thinking was that the lid was the indentifying feature

Maybe the time indicates the month/stone that goes with the key.

Choice

Are you sure that’s a line to 10 or just the broken sharp edge of the piece?

it is paint on the piece, but there is no way at this point to know if it is the paint that showed when the piece was new
as the lid was obviously painted in layers…

MERLIN

Maybe the time indicates the month/stone that goes with the key.

Clearly not 3 O’clock for image 4

I dont think the arrow is one of the clock hands they are white on the Chicago casque

Well, it’s all set.  I got permission, and will be in Cleveland this weekend.  BTW, I think I figured out the triangle.  Euclid was the father of geometry.  Euclid Street goes right through the Cultural Gardens.

Revising my
geometry idea
.
Draw a line from the jewel to the 4-windowed-wall sketch
Draw a line from the Terminus Tower to the jewel
The poet urn is the terminus the end of the planter wall. Use the lines to cross reference the count of the bricks.