It depends where you are digging.

I’m still liking the three little pigs in Storyland. “Only three stand watch…” Aren’t the three little pigs namesakes because we refer to each of them as one of the “three little pigs”?

lol cormac  ;D
are  most algorithms finite?  if not, we have no hope.  please don’t be bringing General Calculus into this image and verse!  we already have Generals: Lee, Jackson, Pike, Beauregard, and no telling who else. General Information
Thanks Malted!…………..do you think this could be a play on the word “site” ?
;D

umm i forgot, fox said this long ago, about jackson square and the statue….
so these are namesakes references that we know.
jackson square and st. charles streetcar.
added:  lafayette square and little fays?
added:  canal street ferry and fairy?
added: storyland (where jewels abound and plenty of fairies, books)
just found another one:
talking about the hotel maison de ville:
“e the hotel’s Audubon Cottages, seven units standing sentry over a lovely pool (the first in-ground pool in the Quarter) and courtyard. Namesake John James Audubon lived in #1 while he worked on his Birds in America”

A namesake is basically something that’s named after something else, so that could mean half the streets and buildings in the city.  :-\

ugh……that’s why i’ve tried to find something with the word “namesake” on it else it’s that algorithm thing, lol

It might refer to the previous lines about fays and gnomes somehow. For instance, you have
Morgan le Fay
, and Laurent Seguin of the
Gnome Motor Company
, and the location is near the
intersection
of Morgan St and Seguin St or something. Henry Clay in Lafayette Square seems a possible reference.

yes, and all that spell brewing voodoo stuff around jackson square…

You can’t see much from street view. I wonder what is in there.

erexere

Notice the position of the V.

What makes that V any different than these two…or the space in the middle?

421 is on vacation, I’m covering his shift.

Notice the position of the V.

Unknown

Unknown:
Notice the position of the V.

Kind of hard not to. It has a bunch of red circles around it.

great information cormac!  what do you think lafitte??  at least it might get more people in new orleans interested in the hunt!

just wanted to show this pic from the metaire cemetery which used to be the horse track, look at the design of the floor in the last headstone:
http://www.neworleans.com/attractions/a … ourse.html
even tho i have been focusing more on the french quarter especially the de bienville monument, because he is the founder (father), french,  11 letters in de bienville…..plus “moyne” ?  one?
http://www.inetours.com/New_Orleans/Pho … tatue.html
http://members.virtualtourist.com/m/p/m/de92f/
the harlequin published every wednesday:
http://books.google.com/books?id=F3BNAA … ns&f=false
on 106 camp street

Lafitte

Louis Armstrongs statue in Armstrong Park is so close to the mask image that it could pertain.

Very true….BUT…..the statue in Laf Park is EXACT!  If this isn’t the park where the casque is buried , which I find very hard to believe, then it HAS to play in somehow on the way to the actual dig site.  Armstrong park is quite far away, when it comes to a travelling hunt…and City Park, as beautiful as it is and with so many ‘kind of’ possibilities, it is waaaaay too far away.
I’m sorry, but I still have to side with Cormac on this one.  I too believe that our casque is right near the small brick wall thing in the middle of the park.  I only wish that I knew about the clock boy statue in Laf Park before I did a little hunting in the NO area.  At that time, I really liked City Park as well and spent A LOT of time walking around the park and actually did a little digging by the sun dial.
My vote: Laf Park

I noticed this during my jewelometry trials…which are just for fun, btw,
Has anyone noticed the dark shape in the opening of Armstdongs mouth is also a crescent like the jewel shape?

erexere

Armstdongs

Freudian typo?
Interesting observation, though. And if you flipped it over, the part of the lip/chin with the glare would match up near where the moon is on the clock.
I mean, I don’t like it, because it does not help my theory in any way whatsoever, but I can’t deny the slight similarity. It doesn’t look intentional enough, though, for me to give it much weight. It’s far closer to coincidence than clue, in my opinion.

Frisco

Freudian typo?

Wow. I guess that does qualify as a Freudypo. I’ve been watching too many Key and Peele comedy skits.
I dont think its coincidence if the pacing to a spot I’m proposing in Basin street’s neutral ground can be demonstrated as 15 paces to the Morazan statue such that the line from mouth-crescent is on path to the hem of the statue’s pants and the crescent actually coincides with the dig spot with respect to the stick in the hand being like a line parallel with the street. Thats just the basic idea I’m trying to construct with the jewelometry. The other line in a direction from center of clock face to the jewel in image has to be perpendicular to the wall of the Cemetery across the street such that it measures 21 paces. Seen from the proposed digspot, the weeping child statue will be over and to the right as if was the moon in the image with respect to that perpendicular line.
To be clear. There are two important lines to consider, therefore a second jewel shape is being utilized to map the clues in image to the site so that a geometry motif actually helps the dig.
I wish I could show this works conclusively in Chicago and Cleveland, but I cant. It looks possible though. Maybe Sir Eg would be willing to address the idea.

WhiteRabbit

True, although…Lafayette is really based on one of several plausible and widely separated image matches in the pic, and its proximity to a place traced to a very obscure quote. I agree it’s a good contender, but hardly any of the verse or image is actually explained at that site.

Agreed, but as I had said, a few quality dated pics of the part might provide a viable way to count things from V2. Being able to count things at the park would make the image work much like Chicago’s (random things included seen within blocks of the dig spot), and the verse work much like Cleveland’s (starts directions immediately in the verse by assuming you are at a very specific spot seen in the image).

Hi all,
I believe the casque is located in City Park. Any one in the NOLA area willing to get permission and dig? I would upload my images, but the system will not allow it. You would be surprised by my findings.
Cheers!
Toasty

Toasty just keep in mind that there are people on here who will go out and dig a hole based on your findings…they just won’t tell you or anyone about it…or get permission.

decibalnyc

Toasty just keep in mind that there are people on here who will go out and dig a hole based on your findings…they just won’t tell you or anyone about it…or get permission.

Plus, you wouldn’t want to ruin it for anybody here that is working on it too. Rather, you might want to work with them in not-such-a-public manner. Especially when you have prospectively solved a lot, and not just a partial clue

decibalnyc,
Thanks for the advice. I guess I should just schedule a trip down to NOLA. I guess that would also save me embarrassment if it does pan out
four21thrasher,
As far as the solution, I believe I have the exact spot, probably within 20 feet. It probably would be best to just go get it and save myself and others grief. Plus, I would like to get credit for the find and take position of the casque. Probably worth more now than the jewel.
Toasty!

Tell me what you all think:
We know that Preservation Hall is in New Orleans on St Peter St.  If you go over and up a couple of blocks is St. Ann St and if you look down the street, at the end at Rampart St you will see an arc or arch of lights (at night) which is the Armstrong Park main entrance.  Named for Louis Armstrong who got his start in jazz here and played at PH and other halls.  Rampart also means citadel and this location was outside of the walls of the quarter at one time. There is a standing statue of Louis Armstrong in the park.  Also Armstrong could mean the astronaut who flew to the moon, a wingless bird, the eagle took him there.   There is the municipal auditorium right there, which is where all of the Mardi Gras balls where once held.  There is Congo Square there, which could be the reason for all the squares in the picture.  Also, there is an address of 222 a few blocks away on Rampart street.  Jazz ‘s root where here at Congo Square.  There are a few huge oak trees too which maybe referenced by the roots extended and member of a forest.  I have only looked here one time and did not look all around.  Also, have emailed to get permission to dig, but no reply as of yet.

I keep returning (in my mind) to Storyland in City Park.  I recently found this image which combines 3 pieces of information —
http://www.agilitynut.com/06/3/story3.jpg
Notice the flowers above Miss Muffet’s head (Jambone found these).  Also notice the cuffs of her blouse and pantaloons(?).  And finally, while the mask does not match Miss Muffet’s face the construction is similar.  I wonder if there is another character in the park that matches the mask in our image.  Maybe one of these —
http://www.pbase.com/septembermorn/image/49888479
And let’s not forget the bridge.

Lafitte, Can you go to Story Land with a camera?  Really think we’re onto something here.

Frisco

But that’s not a zombie hand–it’s a loup-garoux. One of the French Fair Folk. A werewolf. The part I think evokes thoughts of a cemetery is merely that it seems low to the ground. I think it could also not have anything to do with a cemetery.

I was using a little bit of poetic license there, much like Sarmiento was when discussing the St. Charles.
Please don’t use that to dismiss my other comments about Image 7. You understand that I may not have had “loup-garoux” at my fingertips, and I’m not oblivious to the point you are making. I have done due diligence on the lore, but remember Preiss said we only need the images and the verses.

Oh, I’ve called it a zombie hand, too. I agree that’s what it looks like, whether or not the arm belongs to a werewolf. But since the arm likely
does
belong to a werewolf, there’s always the chance that the image has nothing to do with zombies/death/cemeteries/etc. Maybe the werewolf is laying down drunk after a long night of partying on Bourbon Street. Or maybe JJP wasn’t much of a werewolf artist and just drew an arm. Or maybe the arm is all that fit with his image, and that’s the only place it could go.
As for only needing the verses and images, I thought Preiss’ comment on that was that nothing *after* (not other than) the verses and images was important, meaning the stuff before it in the book was. Knowing it’s a loup-garoux may not be important to solving it, but a lot of the stuff in the book in the pages leading up to the images is.

Frisco

Oh, I’ve called it a zombie hand, too. I agree that’s what it looks like, whether or not the arm belongs to a werewolf. But since the arm likely
does
belong to a werewolf, there’s always the chance that the image has nothing to do with zombies/death/cemeteries/etc. Maybe the werewolf is laying down drunk after a long night of partying on Bourbon Street. Or maybe JJP wasn’t much of a werewolf artist and just drew an arm. Or maybe the arm is all that fit with his image, and that’s the only place it could go.
As for only needing the verses and images, I thought Preiss’ comment on that was that nothing *after* (not other than) the verses and images was important, meaning the stuff before it in the book was. Knowing it’s a loup-garoux may not be important to solving it, but a lot of the stuff in the book in the pages leading up to the images is.

I don’t think we need to extrapolate that far when it comes to the dead hand holding the stick.
We have the McDonough statue. The McDonough Statue is inserted into Image 7 much the same way the fence and fixture is inserted into the Chicago Image. I think it is the key clue. Anyone who thinks the hands of the clock in Image 7 is not a direct reference to the McDonough statue is foolish, I think.

Lafitte

There is a triangular green space on Decatur. Sorry to say that if anything is buried there it has been covered by a huge statue of Bienville. This is near the riverboat docking area.

This place looks very interesting. Check it out.
The letters J B appear either side of the pointer, which also divides the 12 into 10 (J) and 2 (B).
It’s dedicated to
J
ean-
B
aptiste, “founder of New Orleans”.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Bapti … _Bienville
http://www.hmdb.org/marker.asp?marker=23885
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Here’s the theory.
Moon and St Louis clues point to
J
ackson Square and the mask.
Sarmiento and statue clues point to
L
afayette Square and the clock-face.
Between J and L is
K
Fifteen rows down to the ground
1 up, 5 along on a chessboard – the King.
In the middle of twenty-one
First 21 letters:
abcdefghij
K
lmnopqrstu
also:
blac
K
jack
In between Jackson and Lafayette geographically, you have
Dec
antur – December, the month for the image.
And on Decantur Street, we find this monument where “three stand watch”.
“The Bienville Monument, by Angela Gregory, was dedicated on April 24, 1955. The bronze sculpture depicts Pierre Le Moyne d’Iberville, in colonial dress flanked by a seated male Indian and a standing male, Father Athanase, a Recollect monk.”
Here’s a snap from Google Street View.
It’s the meeting place, or middle point, when the mask and the clock-face combine to create the man-machine, the mechanical turk. (Horse in Jackson = Knight’s Tour. Franklin in Lafayette = famous opponent). It’s 11-o-clock, where Narcissus gazes at his reflection in the flower. (Am I getting carried away now…?  ;))
The Turk awaits your move.

White Rabbit, It;s Decatur st. Not decantur. And this triange is not hidden at all. There is no way one could dig without anyone seeing you.I don’t remember exactly when this statue was installed, but I do think it was after the casque was buried. Glad to have another voice here, keep working!

Hi Lafitte – Thanks for the comments. Statue dates from 1955. May not be diggable, but I think it’s a landmark of some kind.
Here’s a map showing these locations. Jackson & Lafayette are connected with a straight line down Decatur, with a circle round Bienville.
Continuing up Decatur past Jackson, you get to the Joan of Arc monument…(St Catherine connection…?)
Flag and fingernails/pole…?
Maybe if you keep going in one direction, you eventually hit something useful…

If you can see these pictures… I’ll post what I find here.
http://thesecretatreasurehunt.shutterfly.com/neworleans

Lol. Perfect

fox

Where is yours Bill?

Well, that depends on what the meaning of “is” is…

Trying a different side to the coin idea four21thrasher toyed with, I found the seal on the Morazan statue on Basin St. in New Orleans seemed to be the best fit, though I didn’t know exactly why.  It looked like it faced very directly the line I was hoping to find something on, and it fit a basic pattern, that being the pediment of the tomb is also a triangle and the clock image has a circular shape.  Tomb No.21 belongs to the “Rouelle” family and that means “round” unless my French translation is off.  These all seem a bit generic and so I’ve been paying more attention to the verse and trying to find a better fit for the words “Namesakes meeting”, which brings me to “AA meeting”.
Here’s the Morazan Seal:
Here’s a 3 year AA coin:
What I gathered about the origin of the AA symbol of triangle-circle, is that it was adopted in St. Louis in 1955.  In reading about the origin of AA, I learned of Bill Wilson and his having undergone treatment through the use of belladonna.  I thought those flowers on the clock look somewhat similar:

Glossiphoniidae

Wow… first time I’ve seen this picture. How interesting that she is wearing the scarlet letter.

Nice
She’s wearing it proudly I must say. Where is yours Bill?

NOLA68

Anybody got any thoughts on the relevance of the spoon, or what I interpret as a spoon?

JoshCornell

never met anyone more addicted than me haha…addiction will get you closer to victory…

Yeah, I cut out your spoon, applied it to the puzzle, and it’s all about Theeeee Josh Cornell Hole Solve Method…
https://imgur.com/0xHTXE2

Damn!!!…..I told him to lay off the Rogain!

Thank you Slappybuns.

im confused here, the quote links the verse to a city not to an image.
The image is linked to the city by lat/lon/ , LA map, etc…
Is there something I am missing linking the verse to the picture?

slappybuns

my problem is the verse.  verse #2 has the quote “Who build palaces to shelter Their heads for a night!”  from
Abroad in America
talking about the St. Charles Hotel in New Orleans.  how do you get past this whiterabbit?

I didn’t know about the abroad in america link. Where was this found? I tried looking it up but had no sucess.

you’re right malted, just in my mind i can’t see how this image could be anything but new orleans, with the latitudes and longitudes and preservation and louis armstrong mask and storyland and preservation.
but yes, the quote in verse 2 leads one to new orleans, but not necessarily to this image…………….

lafitte,
it’s from sarmiento talking about his travels in America————-
Abroad in America: Visitors to a A New Nation
“Here is the sovereign people who build palaces to shelter their heads for a night!  Here is the religion which is dedicated to man as man, and here the marvels of art are lavished on the glorification of the masses.”
n verse 6, the Edwin and Edwina line comes from this same book.
and it was about the st. charles hotel, but not the one that is there now….

Here’s what is believed to be the Mississippi in the sleeve. I’m not sure who mentioned this first but I remember seeing it somewhere in this thread.
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I understand your points.  However, maybe I am not making my case too clear.  Look at the latitude longitude map of Ohio that I linked to, above.  You will see that Cleveland is closer to the 82 longitude line than it is to the 81.  However, there is no 82 in Image 4.  So, BP is not even “boxing in” the entire city of Cleveland, let alone telling you where to look in the city itself.  There are 2 clear coordinates:  42 and 81.  That puts you “near” Cleveland.  What does the 41 coordinate do for you  – after you say that you should reverse the 14?  IMHO, nothing.  You are now on the 81 longitude line, between the 41 and 42 latitudes.  You are still the same distance from Cleveland that you were before you used the 41.  You are actually closer to Pennsylvania than Cleveland.  So, how did using this additional coordinate get you closer to the casque?  It does not tell you where in Cleveland it is.  It does not even tell you it is in Cleveland.  So, I am not sure what Deuce means when he implies that my theory takes us off by 1 degree.
As for Image 7, if you are going to use 3 coordinates instead of 2, then you have the same thing I just pointed out with Cleveland.  You are on the 29 latitude line between the 90 and 91 longitudes, which is only “near” New Orleans, not in it.  What if you didn’t use the 19 for 91, and just had the 2 coordinates of 29 and 90?  There would be no difference.  So, you can reverse numbers all you want, but I don’t see how having more than 2 coordinates gets you any closer to the treasure.  I certainly do not agree that you should just “assume” the 4th coordinate if it is not in the Image.  So, I don’t see how a certain part of New Orleans is excluded by the 3 coordinates shown (assuming that 19 is a coordinate of 91).
Off the top of my head, I do not believe that any of the cities in question have a latitude or longitude line going through them, which would be the only way that having more than 2 coordinates would be of any help.  I agree that it appears that a few Images have more than 2 coordinates, but I don’t see how they narrow down where in the city to look.
In fact, in those Images where it is clear that there are additional numbers to use (such as Images 1 and 2), they are not “reversed.”  But even in those Images, it doesn’t get you closer to the treasure.  It gets you “near” the city.  Am I missing something here?

Thanks for posting that Deuce.
Well, the middle part matches, but when you move east, one goes concave while the other goes convex.  I still think the clock boy’s butt and pants are a better match.  The reason this is important is because if one is the Mississippi River, then the other may be a clue to something else.
Is there any way that anyone can try and do a better job than I, in comparing the clock boy’s pants to the river?

Dang.  I just noticed the “box” for Charleston doesn’t work for the lighthouse I’ve been so focused on.  Its just a few miles or so outside the line.  Its looking like we are fishing for an unnecessary step to expect coords that contain the casque.  All we’re going to get is a 100 mile approximation.
Back to Image 7 and the 30 stars plus a moon =31 days of the month, one of which is a big day.  Does the word “Preservation” = Hall = Halloween?
All Hallows Eve = All Saints Eve
This plays too well with the LotJ mention of Midsummers Day.
Its starting to sink in now how the hallowed and Saint connections to these holidays syncs with my theory about a cemetery named St. Louis.

As erexere pointed out, having four coordinates gives us a box which contains the city inside it. I don’t think any coordinates are supposed to give an exact location to dig like x marks the spot, just box in a city where the dig site is located. I do understand your point in reference to some images only having 3 numbers which won’t give us a box. Anyways lets just agree to disagree and get back to the more important stuff.

I just assumed the coordinates just get you to the general vicinity of the city, and are not exact.  So, the coordinates I was using were 42 and 81.  You would have to reverse the 14 to get the additional coordinates that the other “camp” wants to use.
Are people saying that there are 4 coordinates in every Image?  I would like to know if that is correct.  Have we ever done some type of chart on that?

I made this chart several years ago. I don’t know how much of it would still be regarded as valid. From what I understand, 2 latitudes and 2 longitudes are not always available, but when they are, they enclose the casque’s location. (I’m in the reversible numbers camp.)

It looks like there are “box” coordinates in all the images.  It’s highly ambiguous in some cases.  I’ve never given the Lat/Long’s much consideration.  I’m too busy looking in between the lines for themes and dissociations that fool the passive mind.  Here’s how I see it, and in most cases you only need three of the numbers to form a box, since the third may be implied,
Based on what wk was saying about the coords here, I thought it might help apply to my Morazan statue idea by suggesting two Lat’s sharing the same Long,

FB, that’s a nice chart.  🙂  Here is a link to a latitude longitude map of Ohio, showing Cleveland between 81 and 82, and 41 and 42.
http://www.mapsofworld.com/usa/states/ohio/lat-long.html
If there are supposed to be 4 coordinates in each image, then why isn’t there an 82?  Hmmmm.  Also, for St. Augustine, there is a clear number 30 as another coordinate.  It is on the face of the mountain, upside down.
Sorry, I did not mean to hijack the Image 7 thread to discuss this.  Maybe we should move this to a different thread?  There used to be a “What has been found?” thread where we would discuss these things.
As for New Orleans, which is Image 7, the city is definitely closer to 30 than 29.  Yet, we do not see a 30 in the Image. (unless you want to say the clock hand has a hidden 3 and 0 in it, but not touching – but that is a stretch).
http://www.mapsofworld.com/usa/states/louisiana/lat-long.html
Not sure what to make of all this.  There definitely needs to be a 30 in Image 7 if you want to convince me that the coordinates are creating a boundary.
EDIT:  Just noticed there are 30 stars.  Hmmm.

You seem less grumpy today Deuce.  I think its probably best to maintain a flexible position on the latlongs.  Ther usage may vary.  A box may be well defined in one case, less defined in another.  The idea of a box is too much of a constraint to begin with.  I like FBs obsevation that most numeric clues fit the latlong perspective.  If we only had one number to go on, we at least have a good line of reference.  Vood way to think of a latlong pair is its just a point of reference…at most its about 97 miles away from the next whole number latlong pair.  (Taking the average X or Y distance as 69 miles gives a 97 mile hypotenuse).

Had a long day yesterday. Didn’t mean to sound grumpy or sarcastic. It’s nothing personal Egbert.
So just for kicks, I went ahead and mapped out most of the coordinates. I boxed our cities just to show where the boundaries would be if in fact there were any validity to using the lat/long process. I’m not pressing the issue that this is the way to do it. I’m only showing where the box would be if we had 4 coordinates.
No need to bash these. They’re just a reference.
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Who said there were supposed to be 4 coordinates in each picture? I’ll take whatever JJP chose to give us. Some images apparently have no coordinates, but where numbers occur, the evidence suggests that most of them are latitudes and longitudes.
I do buy your 30 theory. There are a few places in that image that could qualify as a 30. The 82 seems clear, but the others are either absent or too obscure to see.
I don’t believe P7 has a 30 in it, nor does it need to. The 29 is clear enough, and the other latitude clearly can’t be 28 unless the casque is buried at sea. So it must be 30 by default.

Maybe we should include the moon?  That makes 31…a holiday that falls on the 31st of a month?

Exactly forest. Does that mean we should only look between 29 and 30? I say yes.
Egbert, a lot of detail and intricacies went into this hunt. You know Preiss had the exact lat/long for each location. No doubt in my mind or he wouldn’t have used them. Do you honestly think he would use 42 to just get us close to 41? 41 is all throughout Cleveland not 42. Why use 42 which is in Lake Erie and closer to Erie PA than Cleveland? And if only given 42 what tells us to not use 42 but use 41? Or even 43 for that matter which is Canada? If giving any kind of coordinates why give one thats one degree off from exact? I highly doubt Preiss looked at a map and said “41 is the latitude but lets use 42 instead so they’re kind of close to Cleveland and then we’ll put a 14 in there so some of them think it’s a reversed 41 which is the right latitude but they shouldn’t reverse numbers so it’s wrong, but right. Then we’ll do the same thing for another image and use 19 instead of 91. They’ll never figure it out.” Maybe ALL the coordinates are off by one degree. No wonder we can’t find any more of these things. We’re in the wrong spots. We need to be looking one degree outside of the given coordinates. Just take a guess which direction to go.

i’m switching my interest to audubon park (for now)
1.  st. charles streetcar line and st. charles avenue (canal streetcar line didn’t run for years)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/wallyg/458 … otostream/
2. olmsted designed it
3.  (i know i’m gonna get it for this, but whiterabbit will smile)……..during my research of the fair folk, from the map on p. 10, i had #7 and#8 going to france, and #7 going to france/holland. anyway, the tupperwerewolves (dutch) on p. 136, had the same checkered tablecloth as in the image.  these guys are “almost indistinguishable from a normal human “bore”..”bores” bores”
and audubon park
“The two principal parks of New Orleans are Audubon and City Parks. They are situated at opposite extremities of the city. Audubon Park is a magnificent expanse of •247 acres. It was originally the property p683of the patriotic Mazan, one of Lafrénière’sº companions in the disastrous revolt in 1768. His property was confiscated by the Spanish government, and some years later granted to Pierre Foucher, son-in‑law of
Etienne de Boré.
De Boré’s
own estate lay below the present lower boundary of the park; it was there that he succeeded in perfecting the manufacture of sugar, and raised the first commercially profitable crop of that staple ever grown in Louisiana. Both of these estates eventually fell into the hands of the Marquis de Circé-Foucher, by whose heirs the present Audubon Park was sold to the city in 1871 for $180,000. It was known in 1879 as the “New City Park.” The name of Audubon was not bestowed till some years later, at the suggestion of Dr. T. G. Richardson, to whom Coliseum Square also owes its name. The land was allowed to lie unimproved till 1884, when the Cotton Centennial Exposition was ….”
and somewhere (can’t find it now), i remember reading the st. charles streetcar line was 42 blocks and they stopped every 2 blocks……half of 42 is “
21″
…..or
audubon began living in new orleans 18
21
this site says the first streetcar was introduced at audubon park:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/wallyg/4583890060/
was this the end of the line?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/wallyg/458 … otostream/
shape of our clock?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/wallyg/459 … otostream/
the more i look at tulane, the more i like it for the clock

slappybuns

the tupperwerewolves (dutch) on p. 136, had the same checkered tablecloth as in the image.  these guys are “almost indistinguishable from a normal human “bore”..”bores” bores”
De Boré’s own estate lay below the present lower boundary of the park; it was there that he succeeded in perfecting the manufacture of sugar

Ha, yeah, I like it. I’d previously associated the tupperwerewolves with this image via the checkered tablecloth, and wondered about the sugar bowl shape. The entry discusses relatives like the were-wolves, were-bears and were-foxes, and elsewhere “La Fayette” is described as a “were-mole”. I thought the “bores” repetition must mean something, but couldn’t figure out what.
I’m sure there’s stuff that’s planted deliberately to get you thinking about certain people and places, even if this is just general “New Orleans” banter.
I was looking at Audubon Park at one point since I was trying to follow a trail of landmarks across the clock-face, and wondered if the blue arch at the top was the bend in the Mississippi. I’ve circled the park. If you interpret just the darker shadow of the clock river as the real one, it’s about where the moon is.
The most logical place for Narcissus would be near the brink. (Oh no, not another zoo…
)
I wondered if there might be a clue in one of the plates of
Birds of America
, though I can’t see anything significant for the numbers in the image. Here’s a good
reference site
.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
I won’t be outdone when it comes to dubious Field Guide references, so here’s another one. The flying kids in the “Passing Fancies” pic suggest clock-boy, they’re “passionately fond of music”, and they’re flying around a bottle of Perrier. (Perrier St?)
(I’ve wondered whether clock-boy is actually swimming, or if bubbles come into it somewhere.)

the thing about the passing fancies, a lot of that is in city park…..the love sculpture and all
umm, the tupperwerewolves mentions “bowls” a lot too, here’s a good one with the fountain:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/wallyg/458 … otostream/
it’s got 3 figures (not counting the turtles) and the shape is kindof delft or dutch don’t you think?
this is near the entrance, wonder can u see tulane from it?
i’m thinking it would be near the st. charles entrance because of the namesakes line.
and i like that shape from google earth going into tulane u.
gates:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/wallyg/4580595363/

I just wish I could get down to New Orleans with a shovel and dig.
Theories are great… but pointless without digging.
(Including my own)

is there a chance cormac??
here’s our #11 forest  ;D
http://www.auduboninstitute.org/visit/p … shelter-11
it’s good for reunions where we see all our “namesakes” and it’s close to the entrance
washington park would have been perfect if there was anything there, it’s beside elysian fields road (where jewels abound), it’s where tennesse williams leads you in [i
]Streetcar
Named Desire
but i don’t see anything there….
http://books.google.com/books?id=DGBmsY … ns&f=false
(except that one statue’s base?)
back to audubon park: (thinking that the fair folk may just mention different things in the parks)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/infrogmati … otostream/
could be the shape in the bowl on p. 136
and look at this tile (you have to scroll down a bit) of the guy on a hill looking at the boats, looks like the pic on p. 137
http://www.antiquescentreyorkeshop.co.u … 1_2dSN4726
or monkey hill?
alibi elf p. 126 mentions “labyrinthe” legal system………there’s a labyrinthe in audubon park
a better one of the fountain………dishwasher safe….lol
http://www.flickr.com/photos/globalized … otostream/
and of course this one (which is tricky since there’s supposed to be one in city park by the carousel, just like it..
http://www.saveaudubonpark.org/web/saparchive/p4043.htm
but it does have MCMXIV  on it………..dig at the XI

Don’t forget
Diana
– moon goddess holding a stick. She’s even got the dog as well.
http://www.neworleanscvb.com/static/ind … ectionID/0

From a 1904 tourist guide to New Orleans…
“On the west side of the square, facing the City Hall, is the monument erected by the public school children of the public school system of New Orleans, John McDonogh.
Once a year, on the anniversary of McDonogh’s death, the public school children gather here and strew the mound with flowers.”

http://louisdl.louislibraries.org/cdm4/ … OX=1&REC=4

This is my theory for the New Orleans treasure. I dug at where I thought the treasure would be and found nothing even though I went almost four feet down.
Looking back I still believe I have the right area I just think I missed the exact spot.
I know many people are in agreement that verse 2 belongs to  the New Orleans image. When I first saw this it didn’t sit right with me. I believe that verse 7 is the key to that image
and here is why.
Verse 2 seems to fit better with the solution to San Francisco. (I will detail that solution on that thread)
The stone wall line in verse 7 either refers to a real stone wall or stone wall Jackson. Following the directions from the stone wall statue in New Orleans I get to city park. It seems
more likely that verse 7, with its southern theme, belongs to New Orleans.
So from stone walls door, the air smells sweet.
At first I thought it meant the bayou right in front of the statue was the sweet smell. After visiting new Orleans I can tell you bayous are anything but sweet smelling
So that must reference something not there anymore or the flowers of the cemetary.
Not far away high posts are three
Education and justice for all to see
Sounds from the sky near ace is high
One of the most convincing pieces of evidence to me, that this verse belongs to new orleans is that down the street from the statue are the new Orleans police dept and Delgado
Community college. They are literally right next to each other.
The sounds from the sky line refers to an eagle statue on the corner of canal and city park. Its a memorial to a test pilot jimmy wedell.
Plotting those three “posts” takes you to the corner of city park and Marconi/Orleans.
Running north but first across.
As you can see this lead right into city park and Story land. Many of the visual clues I saw come from story land. The dragon, the boy, the flowers.
Then on Anseman ave and Dreyfous dr there is a very big and old flag pole. More coincidence?
In Jewels direction is an object of Twain’s attention
Giant pole…etc
This is important because it tells you where to dig. I dug north of the pole right after the side walk.
I found no treasure and I have two theories.
Either the side walk was shorter in 82 and redone or the object of Twain’s attention is not story land and could be the grand Mississippi, which is south.
I’m inclined to believe the first because when I tried to take the giant step from the flag pole base, I didn’t land on the grass but on the sidewalk. The width of the side walk is very wide. I am not short and the friend I brought with me is even taller so the sidewalk could have been altered.
Either way I am working on verifying.

Wow, so industrious!
Possibly in support of your theory: Marconi (whom you mention) was the man who invented the radio (i.e., sounds from the sky). There is a memorial to him in San Francisco at the base of Telegraph Hill.

forest_blight

Wow, so industrious!
Possibly in support of your theory: Marconi (whom you mention) was the man who invented the radio (i.e., sounds from the sky). There is a memorial to him in San Francisco at the base of Telegraph Hill.

That’s a real gem of a connection if it ends up not being just about seagulls.

that’s interesting that you said saints and namesakes seem to show up together on a search
new orleans saints!
“Since 1975, the Saints’ home stadium has been the Louisiana Superdome,[1] except for the 2005 disruption caused by Hurricane Katrina.”
and saint charles avenue
so if the moon in the pic is the superdome……

i’m sorry (ck and forest, i know u guys don’t want me to go here) but my mind keeps saying this….
tulane———–2 lane
toulouse——-2 loose
too tight——-2
okay…….it’s out there……..now back to the right verse

WhiteRabbit

Hi Shrek. There’s a full set of images and verses at
Tweleve
, but it’s worth getting the book, which also includes a lot of other stuff of dubious relevance. Get yourself a copy on
Amazon
.

Thanks for the link, WhiteRabbit,
I am working on other hunts at the moment, but there are times when the trail to these hunts gets stale, and I need to stimulate the brain cells, so looking at the various forums on Q4T, which I haven’t participated in, makes me SHOUT out my obvious thoughts, which may or may not lead somewhere, and I know that people get blinkered (like myself), when devoting so much time on trying to solve a specific hunt.
Reading the posts on Verse 7, made me remember my, for and against arguements, which I had with various board members, and how I got totally lost in a theory that could not be wrong. which turned out to be way off track. Sometimes we need to sit back and smell the roses, and this informative afternoon that I had reading the posts on this thread, did just that.
People, your gonna solve this , work together.
Nick

i think the checkered background is just the harlequin design…………harlequin park
scroll down to the harlequin rug
http://www.woodworkersauction.com/Rugs/contemp12.htm
so we start there, (where jewels abound, jewel, tourquoise, emerald roads)
and we end up right back at city park where there are 21 rides
and storyland is where the namesakes meet
and where our Hour hand looks like the ladybug ride
http://www.pbase.com/etfitz/image/70481772/original
aren’t ladybugs portrayed as fairies sometimes?
what is that between the XI and the hourhand?
here it upside down, i see a little stick man or woman, or the letters  pgt hehe, well i can see them
or maybe it spells
PIG
,  for one of the 3 little pigs houses

I like WhiteRabbit, live on the otherside of the Pond.
I have had quite an enjoyable afternoon reading all the posts on this thread, as its seems at the moment to be the main active Q4T thread.
I don’t even have the book, but quite a bit of the verse and obviously the picture have been posted.
Way back someone posted that the harlequin figure looked like a baseball player, has anyone thought that the line ‘
At the place where jewels abound
‘ could be a place with lots of baseball diamonds, i.e. a training area.
Keep up the good work, and I hope one of you find it.
The below looks like a flower, and I take it they are 4 baseball diamonds (I maybe wrong), and the Avenues running beside are Hickory and Dickory.

wow, i like that!  hickory dickory dock, the mouse ran up the CLOCK!
now i’ll go look up that area
good to have you here with us shrek!

Hi Shrek. There’s a full set of images and verses at
Tweleve
, but it’s worth getting the book, which also includes a lot of other stuff of dubious relevance. Get yourself a copy on
Amazon
.

(For the record, Odyssey wasn’t there in ’82.)

u know guys, if you take the letters showing with the P and I you get
PIRATES…..
so it would be the peter pan and captain hook right?
that would be kind of treasure huntery
, where the hour hand points to certain letters
and then u have the
X
for marks the spot!
or pirates alley  by jackson square……maybe #15 pontalba row house
or maybe it is saying
PRIVATE

“Gnomes admire Fays delight” is a strange phrase, and the whole thing could be an anagram.
Find a mole – gems eight yards
Might seem arbitrary, but if you’re looking for distances that narrows it down. Clock-boy looks like he could be digging a tunnel, and there’s also that “Lafayette took the form of a weremole” thing in the Field Guide. Hate to abandon the Memorial Hall so soon, but perhaps it’s Lafayette after all. They’re so nearby that either could be a signpost for the other.

at pirate’s alley cafe they serve absinthe.
absinthe is called “The Green Fairy”…….hmmmm

There are wrinkles on the wrist, and I am not sure what the pattern is.  I have wondered about it myself.
I’m not sure what you mean by the lower corner clock chip.  Can you be more specific?  I have a copy of the book and may be able to help.

I do not have the book.  Are there different swirling colors on the wrist holding the mask?  What design does it appear to be?  And what is on the bottom right corner of the clock, it looks like a chip.
Trainor

http://nutrias.org/photos/recreation%20 … plan17.jpg
this photo of the gumbel fluntain, the angle is more like the image
k & b purple

Remember that the golf course in Audubon park was completely re done in 2002. And here’s some info about the tea room. The Audubon Tea Room is the revival of a classic building built in Audubon Park in the 1930’s and destroyed by fire in the late 1970’s. The original was part of a complex of buildings across from the Audubon Zoo that included a carousel and a bandstand. The bandstand is all that is left. Cashio Cochran LLC selected Mathes Brierre Architects to be the associated architectural firm for this famous city landmark design.
I’m not trying to shoot anyones entheusiasm down, just keep us focused on what the area was like when the casque was buried. I’ve been busy but will attempt to add to this after Halloween.

frosty

In referance to the mask…I found this quote.  It is actually a quote of a quote.  Ralph Ellison originally quoted it, I am currently searching for the original date of the quote or the book that it came from.  It was being used in a 2002 interview.  If the quote is pre 1980 which I believe it to be based on his works.  It could possibly be an allogory to the mask being Louis Armstrong.
Shakespeare invented Caliban. Who the hell dreamed up Louis? Some of the bop boys consider him Caliban, but if he is, he is a mask for a lyric poet much greater than most now writing. Man and mask, sophistication and taste hiding behind clowning and crude manners–the American joke, man — Ralph Ellison

Ellison wrote that to Albert Murray in 1957.

Eerie!  Look at the checked pattern.  By the top of the clock, the pattern’s bright.  The rest of it looks like its under water. The pattern becomes dark and wavey, as if looking at it summerged.  Hmmm.

Just my personal observation here.
The longer these casques remain hidden…..it seems the more people want to FORCE “confirmers”. They find something that kind of fits and then dig dig dig until they find another partial fit. That partial fit was only found because they forced it. We need to stop running all over the place.
I’m sorry E but how many times have you had a perfect theory? Again, I like new ideas but how many new ideas must one go through to finally realize that perhaps the old ways are the way to go?

fox

… finally realize that perhaps the old ways are the way to go?

What are the “old ways?”

It’s like the Abbott and Costello show around here with you and E. E is convinced that every one of his theories is correct…which is impossible because if one is correct, then the others of course can not be. And all you like to do is rock anyone’s boat who is actually trying to solve this thing.

fox

It’s like the Abbott and Costello show around here with you and E. E is convinced that every one of his theories is correct…which is impossible because if one is correct, then the others of course can not be. And all you like to do is rock anyone’s boat who is actually trying to solve this thing.

That’s funny, and a little accurate.
I like to “rock the boat” precisely because the “old ways” have yielded exactly jack. Don’t mistake rocking the boat with proffering a new way… Rather, I keep the new ways to myself and try to do enough “rocking” of the old ways for y’all to see for yourselves that it doesn’t work, and maybe come up with a new theory on your own.
See, I have theories; but I won’t push them on you as right. I truly believe there are brains on here that can come up with the right theory. I’m not stupid enough to think that MY theories are correct, and I don’t want to taint the thoughts of others if they are able to break free of the “old ways.”
For instance, this new houston person is interning. Notice how he/she doesn’t seem to blow up the clues we’ve often held as being true. Rather, he/she seems to have found a new way to interpret/organize them.

Maybe Old Ways was a poor choice of words. I think all I am trying to say is there is a simple approach to these hunts. Finding that should be our first step. Force fitting solutions gets us nowhere. The 2 that were found used similar tactics……no Pythagorean theorems, no Google Earth, no Pac mans or Bat mans, etc. In my opinion, arguing against the Wright Bros monument with basically the same words as the verse (plus other nearby confirmers) is counter productive. No, we haven’t found the casque but that does not mean that that specific confirmer is incorrect. We need to start using common sense here.

Hi:
I live in NO if anyone needs help

glad to hear it trainor.  You will come in quite handy when the casque IS finally found in N.O.   Now, will someone please find a casque in NM  😀
Trainor, how do you feel about the various theories of N.O.?  Do any of them hold promise?  My gut still says somewhere around Jackson Square…maybe you could check that out.

anyone with good conections with the city
scratch that please after looking for pics of L A PK ,they have enough problems with out us, butting in for a t hunt
i came across this on flickr, this women has recorded  the history in NO in pics
the katrinia and gustov pics, so so sad, all the help that has gone there, and still going there seems to be just not enough
http://www.flickr.com/photos/neworleanslady/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/neworleans … llections/

thats right  terminal tower in cleveland is on st claire which goes straight to the park and then liberty drive (as also shown in the pix)
goes right to the Italian garden
Preservation hall is straight down from louis armstrong park, (of course so is jackson square)
but the arch in the image matches the entrance to armstrong park
There is a big arm in the picture
and the arm is either a loup garoux or a zombie, there is a famous zombie queens house across the street from the park.
(both loup garoux and zombies are tied to voodoo.)
and really the only reason to go to jackson square is verse 7 which might not apply here at all.

yes, i agree all of that is true,
but the reason you go to jackson park is
“At Stonewalls door
take that verse away and your left with  the arch
“The layout of Jackson Square looks too similar to P7’s clock to be merely coincidental”
I dissagree a square and an arch are pretty common. i.e the arch at armstrong park is the entrance to congo square…
lastly you’ve been all over/around jackson square and come up empty —
but these are suggestions/ideas/ and Im not there you are, Im sure you have a much better feel of the city and the possibilities.  I would love for you to find a caque, using any verse you can.

maltedfalcon

yes, i agree all of that is true,
but the reason you go to jackson park is
“At Stonewalls door
take that verse away and your left with  the arch
Near by the air smells sweet              Cafe Du Monde
“The layout of Jackson Square looks too similar to P7’s clock to be merely coincidental”
I dissagree a square and an arch are pretty common. i.e the arch at armstrong park is the entrance to congo square…
lastly you’ve been all over/around jackson square and come up empty —
See Liberty Place – it had a Giant Pole
but these are suggestions/ideas/ and Im not there you are, Im sure you have a much better feel of the city and the possibilities.  I would love for you to find a caque, using any verse you can.

maltedfalcon

and really the only reason to go to jackson square is verse 7 which might not apply here at all.

maltedfalcon

Preservation hall is straight down from louis armstrong park, (of course so is jackson square)

That is so funny that you say this when only a few lines earlier you state:
The layout of Jackson Square looks too similar to P7’s clock to be merely coincidental.  The square itself looks like the clock face and the continued arch above the turquoise looks like the raised section across the street holding the Washington Artillery Cannon.  Now, if you start in the middle of Jackson square {P7 clock face}, walk across Decatur St to the Cannon {P7 arch above turquoise} and continue walking towards the Mississippi River…do you know what you will come to next?  Thats right…the Moon Walk {P7 above arch contains a lovely moon}.
you also mentioned that both garoux & zombies are tied to voodoo and I find it hard to believe that you think this type of thing is strictly around Armstrong park.  This is N.O. we are talking about.  My family bought voodoo t-shirts in a very cool voodoo store just down the street from Jackson Sq.  Shops like this are EVERYWHERE around the French Quarter.

So are you saying the caque should have been next to the giant pole at liberty place in the direction of missisippi? Has anyone dug there?
that should resolve the possibility pretty quickly.
and if it is not there and/or it is an innaccessible place to dig. lets try our best alternate solutions.
Im leaning toward under the hanging tree near congo square.
I know there are at least two statues of jazz players right there Armstong and another I forget the name
my guess there is one more that would be 3 stand watch.
in the middle of 21 Is most likely someting like this…
http://louisdl.louislibraries.org/cdm4/ … X=1&REC=10
we know 10X13 was trees…

i think digging for the casque could be a problem, anytime soon
who knows maybe the folks working on the park and other parks may find it
anyone with good conections with the city
http://www.wwltv.com/topstories/stories … 33a39.html

This is what I’m talking about- above the ground.

How about getting Jackson
and
Lafayette into this…?
At the place where jewels abound
The Place D’Armes, Jackson Square, with nearby visual confirmers including Preservation Hall and the flower design on the gate.
Fifteen rows down to the ground
Fifteen streets down, passing Toulouse, St Louis, Canal et al, to Maestri St., bordering Lafayette Square to the south.
Robert Maestri was a mayor of New Orleans.
“He inherited his father’s
furniture store
at an early age, and quickly built it up into one of the city’s largest. After investing in real estate, Maestri was able to amass a considerable fortune. He also had political ambition, and after allying himself with governor Huey Long, he was appointed to head the state’s Conservation Commission…He served as
conservation
commissioner from
1929
”
1929 is the date on the clock. Conservation / Preservation…?
In the middle of twenty-one
From end to end
Something bordering Lafayette maybe…
Only three stand watch
As the sound of friends
Fills the afternoon hours
Here is a sovereign people
Who build palaces to shelter
Their heads for a night!
Etc etc
Gnomes admire
Fays delight
The namesakes meeting
Near this site
Gnomes of Zurich…? The Swiss Consulate is nearby at 322 Lafayette. Or maybe there was a Swiss bank in the area.
Re: the middle of twenty one, may be worth considering the various 11s and 21s on the clock…
Unfortunately Google Maps won’t take you down S Maestri St.
Alongside is the F Edward Hebert building, with art deco eagles and other paraphernalia.
I’ve packaged up my theory as a PDF file and bundled it off to the Lafayette Square Conservancy to see what they think…
http://www.lemontiger.co.uk/images/misc … ayette.pdf

Glossiphoniidae

Verse 2 is still broken… I have been looking around New Orleans for row houses. The first and last of the houses in each row are called “ends.” Shotgun Row, Julia Row, Cucullu Row… For instance, Julia Row has 13 rows. They all have fancy placards.

Intriguing, yet fruitless.

they are the two districts in which the puzzle and hunt is grounded

maltedfalcon

French Quarter and central business district
the two more likely areas.

I see. I did think they might be outside the area, although there is a park out there.

https://1drv.ms/b/s!An5iiS4FlLlEgyYbfiiffjLsNi7v
In Mason cemetery N.O. Checkerboard marble.
Funerals are big deals there, huge celebrations with marching bands, trumpets and such, playing When the Saints Go Marching In
I know there is a solve proposed but these are just observations

Wicket

https://1drv.ms/b/s!An5iiS4FlLlEgyYbfiiffjLsNi7v
In Mason cemetery N.O. Checkerboard marble.
Funerals are big deals there, huge celebrations with marching bands, trumpets and such, playing When the Saints Go Marching In
I know there is a solve proposed but these are just observations

No problem…there are actually several proposed solutions for NOLA…one that also has a strong Masonic connection.
Just remember: The book says that there won’t be any cask buried in a cemetery.

Mister EZ

No problem…there are actually several proposed solutions for NOLA…one that also has a strong Masonic connection.
Just remember: The book says that there won’t be any cask buried in a cemetery.

I knew I should have prefaced that. I know about the cemeteries but it could be a clue. There seems to be a park in between the Scottish Rite and the cemetery. Just ideas.

my solution for this is and always will be right. lol.
ive got this one down to crazy detail. ill have to check the location of that temple. it may be involved. there is another similar type secret society building in the puzzle for sure.

anus905

ill have to check the location of that temple. it may be involved. there is another similar type secret society building in the puzzle for sure.

The Scottish Rite is 3200 St Bernard Ave next to the P.O.
The cemetery is 400 City Park Ave
Both of them are on the outskirts

as far as i can tell it sticks to the cbd and fq

anus905

as far as i can tell it sticks to the cbd and fq

I have no idea what cbd and fq mean?

Wicket

I have no idea what cbd and fq mean?

French Quarter and central business district
the two more likely areas.

Interesting cultural point to consider:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herm%C3%A8s

Clock boy’s stockings spell DIG (Top) JAX (Bottom)

Also, let me put to rest the deal with the hand. It is not a rougaroux. New Orleans has a deep history with the practice of Voodoo, there is a voodoo museum and a Zombie shop close to each other in the French Quarter. It’s a zombie hand, note the long fingernails.

XeroDM

I have been considering the Mardi Gras Route, and it’s end point where the Kings of the two krewes would meet to end Mardi Gras. Never considered the organisational meeting point. Good find. I may need to revisit my theory with that as a possible point along the path.
New knowledge is good knowledge!
X

Where I think it is right outside the Municipal Auditorium as well(Armstrong Park). I think that is the symbolism for Jewels Abound even though Jewels Abound (Mardi Gras beads) can be found basically everywhere in New Orleans.

Burnstyle,
There were big Xs on the sides of the planters (clock boys shoe hand points to X). There are pictures that allow us to determine where number 11 was. Also, the spot of number 11 lines up with a stunning view with the gate of Louis Armstrong Park gate looking down St. Ann St. There was a voodoo museum and zombie shops about half way between the gate and the spot, thus the relevance of the zombie hand.
There is a moon on the clock, suggesting Moonwalk.
There are other matches as well

Here’s a comparison worth looking at:
URL=http://img31.imageshack.us/i/racetrackcomp.jpg/]

Again, it is the Fair Grounds Race Course. I’m beginning to think this may be the place.

shecrab

(4) The checkered background on the Image–could be a visual trope for the Checkered Flag that starts and ends races.

Most…if not all…horse races do not have a checkered flag at the beginning or end of the race.

Horse racing does seem to be associated with checkered flags though. Regarding their origin, “one theory is that horse races during the early days of the settlement of the American Midwest were followed by large public meals, and that to signal that the meals were ready and racing should come to an end, a checkered tablecloth was waved.”

Yes please do tell us. None of us will do any diging without the appropriate permision and we will bring you along if want.

Please speak for yourself, Scott.
Personally, I have no intention of bringing along anyone if I dig. I can’t afford the expense.

What i ment was they colud join us at their own exspence and we would try to dig at a time conviniant for them.

I’d be happy to help!

maltedfalcon

I absolutely agree that the picture indicates New Orleans and specifically Armstrong park.
There is the minor issue with the route to the treasure ground. in Chicago it followed a straight road from the water tower(shown in the picture) several miles until it got to the treasure ground then turned left twice to the final area.
In Cleveland it started at the building downtown (shown in the picture) went straight several miles to the parks then turned left and left into the final area.
Here preservation hall is only blocks away from armstrong park, but its on the wrong street, if Preservation Hall was on St Ann’s it would be a straight shot through the arch, then left to your final spot.
but you have to go down st peters to rampart turn right then turn left to go through the arch.

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in Chicago the treasure was located in the back corner in a very unobtrusive location
In cleveland the treasure was located hidden behind a wall

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I could get nitpicky on some other things, but Your solution has 1 thing that 90% of all the other solutions posted doesnt have.
A specific place to dig.

Ok… the reason it doesn’t follow the pattern is that it is heading the wrong direction.
The clues that lead to thoughts of Armstrong park all simply say “New Orleans”
Malty’s direction of start here go a long way then turn left better supports LaFayette Square and IS on the right street.
Preservation Hall is basically on the corner of Royal which becomes St Charles when it crosses Canal st.
Then of course you turn left into the square (park).
Lafayette Square has a small wall that could easily help obscure and if you have turned left into the square from St Charles…
(noting that the Square’s shape is represented in the image)
you would see this wall is in the exact location of the end of the Second Hand on the image’s clock
Mentioned in previous posts are the instructions on how to count the bricks and mortars together to show you where beside the wall to dig.
Who is heading to NO Next?

I didn’t put Johana up to that post…
but it would be a nice tie in
Anyways, I do not see the jockey or the Peter Pan
in that figure..  I just think it is an on-site confirmer,
like the Dawrf Hat in Houston.
Water Line and Arched Bridge – wouldn’t that be prophetic.
How would the stars under the bridge be used?
Back to the figure for a question…
why are there two arrows circling around to the ’12’ and
therefore to the ‘jewel’
What points the way (from two sides)?
One of my previous posts mentions  that there are three
distinct ‘giant poles” in New Orleans… the canal street one
is too far away from here… the others?

Don’t be silly.  I was just goofing off.

BM-
no sweat – keep in mind:
one jewel found every twenty years.
this may take awhile

That is great.
What is TCWAF and where was the site?
And on the subject of sites, I went and scouted the proposed dig site with one of the team members (in the pouring rain) and when we arrived, there was a rectangle spray painted on the grass in the exact spot. We don’t quite know what to make of it since none of us have been back there since we decided on the dig site.

The Clock Without A Face. I had the pleasure of sharing ideas with Roxanne for over an hour on the phone just before she ventured down to the small town of Washington, California to collect the Emerald Khroniker’s jeweled No. 12. To be clear, I don’t know for sure if anything I said had any real influence on her plans to go there, but it all seemed to come together quickly, just like Q4T’s Egbert when johann dropped the Cleveland Cultural Gardens bomb.

Behind the mask is another mask.

Actually I think the guy who got upset and then deleted all his old posts before he left the board, had noticed the chesspiece/weired square move- but it never went past that.
This is cool, is there a park nearby? I can’t imagine digging a whole in a restaraunt courtyard and nobody saying anything.

Merlot Brougham

I must have missed the point about the plaque. I’m not terribly sold on this. I wouldn’t say the oven vaults themselves are “exactly” like the half circle.

How about “similar”, like these columns for Cleveland? Other than the fluting on the columns, they’re basically a perfect match.

Merlot Brougham

I must have missed the point about the plaque. I’m not terribly sold on this. I wouldn’t say the oven vaults themselves are “exactly” like the half
circle
.

How about “similar”, like these columns for Cleveland? Other than the fluting on the columns, they’re basically a perfect match.

do you have another suggestion?

Are we sure that the boy is a Harlequin?  Perhaps we should look at it more closely.

I think an important aspect of this puzzle as it regards Verse 2 is to figure out why the Sarmiento quote fits this image. The quote, if not recognized for its reference to Sarmiento or the St. Charles (St. Peter’s Basilica) origin, would be taken simply as a reference to the subjects of sleeping, sovereignty, and shelter. Perhaps the point being made is that several arrows point to PRESERVATION because something has to do with “protection from harm or death”, as might be indicated by such words as shelter or self-preservation. So what kind of safe place or sanctuary are the French Fairfolk hinting about?

Kalessin

I think “Preiss underestimated the complexity of his work” is accurate, and probably an understatement.

Actually, I need to modify what I said as I think about it.
I think Preiss underestimated the
difficulty
of solving the puzzles, but as I look through the clues that have been solved, they’re not
complex
in the sense of multivariate calculus or trying to understand medieval Kabbalah. The visual clues use disguises, mirror images, hidden images, puns and wordplay, much like many of the puzzles in the Games magazines of the time. Clues in the verses are scrambled line by line, use puns and wordplay, paraphrasing, literary and historic references, etc., but I don’t think Preiss gets incredibly esoteric.
I know, if it was so easy, we’d have come up with the ten remaining solutions already.
While we’re mentioning Domingo Sarmiento, there’s a bit of useless trivia, a fun coincidence. There is a statue of him in Boston, one of the many statues in the park that runs as the median strip along Commonwealth Ave, in between Gloucester and Hereford street, near the area of Secret interest in the Back Bay. He visited Horace Mann, educational reformer and member of the Massachusetts senate. Horace Mann’s statue is at the Massachusetts state house.

forest_blight

Let me preface this by saying that I DO NOT believe a casque is in Nashville. However, I was driving through downtown Nashville today, looked up, and saw this:
This is Mercury (or Hermes, depending on your inclination), affixed to the top of Union Station. Striking, eh? So I’m wondering if our “jockey” could be mimicking the pose of another Mercury statue somewhere.

this is my favorite post of the thread.

I always thought the numbers on the corners of the clock refere to dates, the 2nd you would have to imply. It would be 1929, 1990. kind of like a grave stone…. of course this would imply that the person died, or whatever, after the book was published??

Been verifying my facts after my friends had their wedding at this location a couple weeks ago.
All I can say is, some facts verified, progress looks good.
This is the aerial view, a bit old and out of date but most accurate with c.1980.  The No.21 tomb building’s apex lines up with this spot centered in the plot of four palm trees.  The other line connects the three statues along Basin St in this “neutral ground” street area.
Citizen’s may apply for permits to plant new trees in neutral ground areas.  Four additional trees have recently been added to this spot as seen in this street view pic.

PRES-er-V-at-ION
—-> PRESident…..V……1ON <----
Finding an angle between Central American President Morazan and a statue on top of a tomb in the cemetery No.1 is an idea on what PRESERVATION is doing in the image.
V for Vespucci and the Gardens of the Americas still seems like a good fit for namesakes meeting.
The verse tie-in of in the middle of twenty-one might serve to fit two points of interest located at a 90 degree angle. 21 can be 9 o’clock where the short hand points to 9 and the long hand points to 12. The hands meet in the center of the clockface at 90 degrees.

Greetings from New Orleans…the quest continues this week

Kaowheat10

Choice, i 100% agree that if it is Lafayette Sq then that is obviously namesakes but that is not enough to discount everywhere else if they too have a reasonable/logical explanation for namesakes.
I was curious about y’all’s explanation for the differences in the boy in the clock and the statue. If I could get past that, I would be way more behind the square. To me it is way too many differences to overcome without more explanation.

Arguing that the boy is not exact is akin to not digging where the casque was found because this wall did not exist as shown in the image.

And last I checked, the Chicago water tower was not a windmill. The bowman in the image doesnt quite match the original but if you think it represents anything but that, I’m sorry.

Does anyone here know sign language? Is there any chance that the hand holding the stick stand for something in sign language? I know the alphabet, and that doesn’t match anything, but the hand shape, sign it doesn’t look to me like it’s what I would draw to draw just a hand holding a stick, looks like sign language. I just don’t know enough to confirm or deny if it is or isn’t.

fox

And last I checked, the Chicago water tower was not a windmill. The bowman in the image doesnt quite match the original but if you think it represents anything but that, I’m sorry.

Isn’t that the spearman ?
I believe this is the bowman, a pretty good match I’d say…
I agree with the point you’re making though

I would say the bowman, fountain of the great lakes, and the water tower once you take the windmill off are pretty close to how the are depicted in image 5.
Bowman and not spearman as mariska pointed out
Fountain of the Great Lakes
https://usercontent1.hubstatic.com/9127354_f520.jpg
I would also say the wall where the casque, the chalice/fountain, and the stonework shown above and below the wall in image 4 are pretty hard to argue as well.
Chalice
https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/01/b3/8a/fe/italian-gardens.jpg
Couldn’t get a good picture but the part in image above and below the wall
https://www.genevievenisly.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/lauren-ted-005-italian-cultural-gardens-cleveland-wedding-photographer-genevieve-nisly-photography-1024×682.jpg
I am not saying it ISN’T buried in Lafayette sq and I also don’t think it has to be absolutely perfect to be what the author/painter intended. I am just saying to me there are some MAJOR difference between the boy in the clock and the boy in front of Gallier hall. To me, there are more difference than similarities. They are both males and an arm is extended up while another arm is extended down …. besides that not sure what else. It might be enough to a lot of people (maybe even the majority) a match. I just can’t discount any other park because to me personally it is not an obvious slam dunk. Again in my opinion the Armstrong Statue matches the mask WAY more that the boys match but can understand if you disagree.
Boy in Lafayette Sq
https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3093/4562331078_194ee0dc00_b.jpg
Armstrong Statue
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-FFaKxgVCpUc/VLIKVAtrzAI/AAAAAAAAEqU/KcMb5Fo17EQ/s1600/DSC04520.JPG
This puzzle is vague and can logically be interpreted different ways. If it was clear cut, the other 10 would have been found. Again we can totally agree to disagree though. No worries.

of course there is also the columns on Gallier hall and the finials on the little fence. So basically in a straight line 100 feet apart 3 matches.
Plus all the verse matches…
but there is demonstrably an image at the start that matches (singly) and images (multiple) at the end that matches.

I definitely think the column upside down could be the bottom of the clock. If it is Lafayette sq, I can 100% see that. I haven’t seen a picture of the finials. Do you have a picture of that?
Also, I know the 21 from end to end is the number of posts for Gallier hall but what is the 15 rows down to the ground? Not doubting or questioning, just curious.

There are 15 1/2 steps, 1st step on the ground being a 1/2 step?
Wasn’t that area fenced off in the 80’s? Would he jump over the fence to bury?
Here are images from 2012 with fence.
https://tinyurl.com/yd5qelxz

Here’s the image from the 70’s with the fence. Click to zoom in.
http://louisianadigitallibrary.org/isla … lhp%3A3584
Google from 2007
https://tinyurl.com/yamyacxa
Notice the 21 round top posts are not there. There were pyramid tip posts set back behind the statue in the 70’s. When were the new posts installed?

I don’t like this fit so much since the tower isn’t shaped exactly.  I just wonder if JJP’s attempt to disguise the clock tower of the church in the image force a small sacrifice in how he drew the roof less pointy.
St. Jude is the oldest original church still standing.  Its recieved some updates but has never been burned down or been totally reconstructed.
Im still Waiting to verify that this church maintained plot records to the cemetery across the street.  That might be an easy solution to a person being without a reference to what could be the #21 tomb.

so where other buildings are more or less exactly drawn in this search
your suggesting he arbitrarily changed this one to disguise it…

maltedfalcon

so where other buildings are more or less exactly drawn in this search
your suggesting he arbitrarily changed this one to disguise it…

Not sure, donno.  I think it’s like many things in these images.  Even the columns in Cleveland were shorter looking and altered from a true perspective.  Somethings are stylized for a reason. I’m not saying it’s an effort to disguise them.  I think it’s not necessary to have exactness to convey an idea or marker.

I’m going to be mean and call it coincidence.  ;D
(Despite the general similarity, I don’t think it’s close enough to justify pulling in something with no obvious connection.)

Im crushed….yeah Im leaning towards Coinincidence, but watch me make it fit. Lol

You know what, though, I’m looking at Mercury in a Google image search, and I’m thinking that, yeah, Palencar might well have been acknowledging that – I mean, it’s just as likely as that “Mona Lisa” thing. A nod to classical art. Whether it actually fits into the puzzle somehow…well, who knows. But consider this…
http://linkmercury.com/wp-content/uploa … ercury.jpg
…and take a look at P210, which I believe is also by Palencar. Mercury is associated with the
Caduceus
.

I think what it signifies is that the statue of the boy in the park might not be as unique a shape as was previously thought.

forest_blight

Let me preface this by saying that I DO NOT believe a casque is in Nashville. However, I was driving through downtown Nashville today, looked up, and saw this:
This is Mercury (or Hermes, depending on your inclination), affixed to the top of Union Station. Striking, eh? So I’m wondering if our “jockey” could be mimicking the pose of another Mercury statue somewhere.

Here is the parade doubloon of the Hermes Krewe of New Orleans Mardis Gras.
Ive had a lot of fun researching art and history with this.  I like the idea of tracing a parade route.  Ive still been interested in joan of arc since the way the hand holds the stick and that she was 19 at her trial, but i also like the idea that the 19 represents the mardis gras date of 1980.  Another notion is her vision interaction with three Saints has me looking at a deeper notion.  There is a Toulouse statue c.1475 at the MET called Margaret and the Dragon.  That is the same Saint [checked] that came to Joan of Arc.  I wonder if that moght be the reason for the dragon head in the checkered background.
I want to consider either the Hermes krewe or the Zulu krewe.  Zulu chose Louis Armstrong as their king in 1949.  Hermes raises a flag to the Greek influence that many images seem to share.
I like St. Louis cemetary no.1 at the intersection of St. Louis and Basin as the namesakes meet.  The Zulu parade route ends shorly after that point up on Orleans Ave. after passing the cemetery.
I like the three statues on Basin as the “only three stand watch”.
The clockboy looks deformed.  His hand looks like a foot or a loaf of bread.  His butt looks like pronounced or at an odd angle.  Looking loosely at his image i think i see what looks like a clock tower outline nested in his torso.  I wonder if thats suppose to be the tower of St. Jude nearby, but seen from the back angle from the North.
What im getting at is it seems that i have competing ideas that both fit loosely with my location near the cemetery.  Also, the parade routes pass in front of the McDonogh monument at Lafayette Square.

Not really,
where all of these look similar
the statue of the boy in the park looks traced.
I’ve seen nothing that would make me look elsewhere.

Yeah, but isn’t the big problem with that park, that it would be very hard to dig in without being noticed?  If the image really is referring to that statue, then the casque is either in that park, or it’s probably nearby.  That statue isn’t one of the “big” confirmers like the Chicago Water Tower or Cleveland’s Terminal Tower — it’s more on the site-confirmer scale.

I say clockboy is about a major parade route passing through.  The terminal tower is a reverse image of the top only portion of the building hidden in the branches.  The McDonogh statue shape is revealed as a reverse image split in two wrapped from side to side outside the clock’s entire form.  In that way it’s very similar to the TT.
I think there are misleading aspects to the clockboy.  Being a jockey disguise brings us to race track history which is a rich part of New Orleans past.  I think there is something disguised within that disguise.  What do you think?

I agree with BigMattyh  it seems to fit the pattern of a site confirmer. which fits in with the methodology in Chicago and Cleveland.
We expect site confirmers to be in the image, In the other images, the theme is simply to lead us closer to the casque and city. Reading more into it than that probably is leading us further from the casque.

wanted to mention here that on p. 168 The Night Mayor, Regional, BP mentions jm barrie, who wrote peter pan.  “if enough people believe in them they can come true”……he’s talking about fairies but that line makes me think of tinkerbelle, i don’t remember seeing her in boat with peter pan and captain hook.  but i always liked the shape of captain hook’s ship:
http://flickr.com/photos/gjcharlet/5069 … otostream/
and he also mentions “crazy, burning eyes”…..the wolf? dragon?…….
i’m thinking our harlequin guy is a “passing fancy” (French) from page 108, shows a bottle of perrier which comes from France, and this is our french picture.

• War era newspaper boy’s left-hand fingers form a V
• This V points to the large V (5 o’clock) of the clock
• Werewolves exist during a full moon; full moon is on top of the image.
• A mask by definition is hiding the true identity of the man
• Bright glow of the face and it’s form is similar to “the man in the moon”
• Looking closely at the outline of the bright area of the face one can see a fleur de lis
• Satchmo mask may be an indicator of New Orleans but the clues within it points to a representation of the Superdome and Saints.
• C at the base of the pole (Churchill’s cane) is the circle where the statue stands.
• W in the werewolf’s finger-nail indicated west towards Superdome.
I think the werewolf’s hand is there to emphasize the full moon. The lower part of the image is the macro map of the Central district. Lower part of the sleeve being the Mississippi river, large C for Churchill circle, pole for Poydras St. and man in the moon for Superdome. And Lafayette Square is in the middle, between the circle and the dome.
BrandonH mentioned DIG JAX. I looked closely at this and it may also read as DIG PAX. Pax, latin for peace, V.
As with image 1 and recurring #6, I come across #5 or V in image 7 repeatedly.
Also you may be able to see the fleur de lis in the mask better without my outline now that you know what to look for.

As best as I can tell, the Krewe of Comus ended their float parade at the Grand Opera Theater near 900 Canal St.  That is right in front of the “White House” …i forget the French for that…a business with this mascot: (nice find Jambone)
I discovered that I didnt read this thread prior to working on image 7…wish I had, I wouldnt have had to dig so much to find most of the stuff that had already been discovered.  I was really stuck on the Coliseum Park and McDonogh schools theories…also the Morphy-ology and Andrew Jackson Horse track connections.
What I have landed on now is based on Mardis Gras, its older Krewes, Comus and Zulu, passing the McDonogh monument, identifying Only Three stand watch and deciding if St. Louis cemetery at St. Louis street and Basin St. is a suitable namesakes meet.  I think the raised oval shape in the lower right corner with the dragon/griffon/gargoyle head on squares like a chess board is representing a site of burial plots.  Hmm…crazy.
The color subtext is interesting.  White mask of a black musician.  All white Krewe of Comus ending their route at Maison Blanch.  The McDonogh Three being a famous example of racial integration and having a tie to Louis Armstrong (citing news saying the a Federal Marshalls only escorted the black students after Armstrong criticized the President and decided he would protest by not playing music at a diplomatic event for the Russians).

Bigmatty reminded me about the danger of rotating images to fit confirmers.  I thought it was understood that the clockboy was pre-rotated by JJP as it came from the boy figure on the McDonough Monument.  I’m glad for that reminder, because when I took the image without rotation I noticed a helluva lot more things fit.  There’s the obvious circular shape in the middle, representing his bubble-booty, and I think that fits the oculus of the rear wall of St. Jude.  Then there is the small line extending from the hand to the leg.  Then there is the overall line of the boy’s flat belly front torso matching the straight edge at the top of the wall.
[No rotation.  Point of view from casque site.]
I keep meaning to call the church to find out if it had been the main records keeper of the plot numbers back in 1980, or was there a more involved process of contacting the Archdiocese office.  I’d like to know what exactly would’ve went into figuring out which tomb number belonged to the Rouelle family in a pre-internet time.
http://cml.upenn.edu/nola/Searchpgs/L0I … PNTHNOC=21

I asked my wife what kind of flowers those are on the clock face.  She said they are daffodils.  Trumpet daffodils (Armstrong again?).
What caught my attention, though, was what looks like a missing or painted over flower in the lower right of the clock face (near the 90).  Is it a rose?
http://www.crocker.com/~bclews/flower.jpg

A friend of mine in N’Orleans scouted around for a statue which might match the “mask on a stick” in our image.  She found this:
http://soulofamerica.com/images/photosl … nument.jpg
It is the Sidney Bechet Monument in Congo Square, a part of Armstrong Park, which has an “arc of lights” at its entrance.

Quickie introduction:
I still have my copy of The Secret that I bought when I was 11, and I can’t believe that after all this time only 2 treasures have been found. I loved reading Egbert’s story about finding the Cleveland casque, and I hope other casques will be found! I’ll be glad to help where I can….New Orleans of course appeals to me because 1) I’m relatively close, and 2) I’ll use any excuse to visit the Crescent City.
So, having read ALL the posts and obsessed about this for a week, here are my notes:
I liked the idea of Harlequin Park or Tourmaline Park, the parks on Jewel and Turquoise Streets. It’s a great tie-in with Verse 2:
In the place where jewels abound.
Something no one has mentioned regarding the Peter Pan guy, is that Preservation Hall is on St. Peter Street. Coincidence? But I’m not entirely convinced that our little guy is supposed to be Peter Pan. I too thought he looked like a jockey, but I’m not sure what a flying jockey would indicate. He’s  looking at the 9 on the clock face, but his hand is pointing to the 10 and his feet are pointing to the 4. At one point I thought he looked like The Fool from tarot cards, and when someone mentioned the Holmes clock on Canal street I looked it up and saw the statue of Ignatius Reilly, who was “the fool” in
A Confederacy of Dunces
, a book by John Kennedy Toole that came out in 1980 and won a Pulizer Prize. But…the clock and the fool look nothing like the clock and the fool in the book, so I’m not very confident that’s right.
Johann: I do see those markings in the wood between the mask and the 90. They look to me like 2 eighth notes, but it’s hard to tell for sure even with a good light.
As for the grandfather clock itself, I would like to get a good look at the grandfather clock at the Hotel Monteleone. The creature in the checkerboard I thought at first was a griffin, but now that I’m looking at it in a better light, I think it looks more like a lion. Lion=Leone in French? The carousel at the hotel may also hold a clue. Also, the hotel is only 5 blocks away from Preservation Hall. (214 Royal Street) Perhaps the purple in the image is not purple, but Royal blue? (OK so that one may be a stretch)
But look: the jockey’s foot is pointing toward the 5 on the clock, and if you keep drawing an imaginary line, you get to
the lion creature. Then, if you follow the gaze of the lion, he’s looking at the hand. There’s something about the hand that no one has seen yet. Yeah, I’ll buy into the werewolf theory, the hand could certainly belong to a Loup Garoux that came from the forests of France. But I think I see an “N” in the middle of the arm, just above the sleeve. And the top 2 fingers look like they may also be arranged to look like an “N”….or maybe it’s two 7’s. The wrinkles in the palm may also be significant, a map perhaps? I also buy into the theory that there’s a map hidden on the checkerboard, but I have yet to match it with anything.
oops this post was too long….see the next post for part 2

Here is a hi-res pic of the clock…..still does not show the detail that I want to see on the face and in the crescent
above the face, but there are heads of what looks like lions carved into the wood. Maybe it’s nothing, maybe not.
http://hotelmonteleone.com/photo/galler … /Lobby.jpg
Someone mentioned the mask looking like Louis Armstrong, or a death mask. I don’t think it looks like either one (how many folks die with smiles on their faces?). I do think it looks like a theater-type mask, as opposed to a Mardi Gras mask. Theater-goers in New Orleans go to the Mahalia Jackson Theater for the Performing Arts, which is in Armstrong Park. So there may still be something to the Armstrong angle, and I would be curious to poke around this park and take some pictures. I live in Dallas and would like to go check some of this stuff out in the very near future.
So, note to self (or whoever gets to New Orleans before me):
1. Check out Preservation Hall. Get a good picture of the arch above the door, and see if you can find references to checkers (Chubby Checker?).
2. Get good pictures of the grandfather clock in the Hotel Monteleone, as well as the carousel. (perhaps something
in the designs or decorations will match up with the picture?)
3. Have a good look around Armstrong Park and note landmarks.
4. Go to Harlequin and Tourmaline Parks in the Spanish Forts area and see if there’s anything to that lead. (The names of the jeweled streets around the parks are too good to pass up. See if anything matches Verse 2.)
5. Go to Jackson Square and see if you can get things to match up with Verse 5.
6. Go to the library and look for pictures of these places circa 1981.
One other interesting thing I found: Going on the jockey idea, I looked for the racetrack and found the Fairgrounds, which happens to be 2 blocks from ….Paul Morphy Street. I couldn’t find any other streets that might be significant,
but there does appear to be a park on Paul Morphy Street, between Laharpe and Lapeyrouse. I can’t find a name
for it on Mapquest, and maybe it’s nothing…but maybe not!
Well, those are my insights after obsessing about this for about a week. Happy hunting!

I will be in NO for a few days middle of March. If someone has a request for photos I’d be glad to take some.
wilhouse

Lots of pictures in and around the Peristyle in City Park!

I wonder if everything buried in NO eventually surfaces.

Hello fellow searchers, New Orleans is my hometown and am doing my first dig today in a few hours. To my knowledge, no one has tried this site before. I hope to have some exciting news for you all today! I will be sharing the information on both this forum and the pbworks in interest of fairness. I know you all hear this a lot, but I am acting with a very high probability of certainty. If I am correct, then I have also gleaned a few insights into how all the puzzles work which I hope to share with you soon. I will release all of my research after the dig effort is completed!
I will say that when I did the work, I initially purposefully ignored the bulk of the online research until I came to my own conclusions, then went back and read through looking for confirmation. The reason I did this is so I wouldn’t come to the same dead ends as the other researchers. If I did use something I read online, I verified it myself without taking anything for granted. If I am right, many of you are very, very close. Not so much in locations, but in solving the steps of the puzzle. Some of the ideas are really great, but way off the mark and I have actually seen a couple conversations where searchers that were stuck on their theory talked other searchers who were on the right track out of their idea!
The puzzle is probably the most complicated thing i’ve done in my life! In the end, the payoff is absolutely worth it. The whole thing is incredibly complex and marvelously designed! It may be hard to believe, but I am at 99 percent certainty that I have actually solved every clue in the puzzle and in the image and that is absolutely necessary to find the exact spot. If we don’t find it today, it will likely be due to Katrina or subsidence issues and I will have to work with the people at the location to handle how I release the info. I don’t want to unleash the “curse of St Augustine” on my own city. Some folks are already getting a little destructive in some very old places here. I don’t want to create the possibility that we missed it, or people may never stop digging.
I would also like to say that regardless of how my dig goes, I am incredibly thankful for the journey this quest took me on. I learned a lot about my hometown, myself, and the incredible brilliance of Byron, the authors and JJ Palencar. These guys really accomplished an amazing work of art and a wonderful American story. I actually kind of hope I’m wrong so this can keep going, but I am looking forward to having some closure on this as well. I got so totally consumed by this that I was forgetting to eat and have probably slept about 1/3 of the time I usually do! If I am right, I will reach out to James Renner about contributing to the sequel if that’s still happening.
I started working on this the Thursday before Mardi Gras and if it hadn’t been for one of my oldest friends coming to town to visit me, I don’t think that I could have got addicted to it like I did. One of the biggest gifts I think the creators of The Secret gave us was the impetus to reach out to your own trusted community for help and to get out and make friends with the people you may have never bonded with. They wanted the bookish kid who could to the research to pair up with the big jock who could dig, the songwriter to pair up with the cartographer, the brash adventurer kid who breaks the rules to pair up with the law abiding hall monitor to keep him out of jail and the poor kid with hustle and drive to pair up with the rich kid with boredom and access to technology, etc. I can’t imagine how expensive and time consuming it would have been in the 80s just to solve one of these! The puzzles were definitely not meant to be done by one person alone.
Good luck to all of you! Fortune and Glory!

Damn, I just realized after checking this out again that the stone in Image 7 has the same shape as the landscaping in the Franklin statue. It appears that BP could gave buried the casque on the backside if the Ben Franklin statue….the side facings the center of the park. And of course, the street lamp on that side of the park is right next to Ben.
Have any NOLA diggers gotten permission to search here?

Travistshuler!
Good luck with your dig, Sounds like you have a great grasp of the scope of the hunt
I wish you the best.
If there is anything we can do to help let us know.
Can’t wait to hear of your success!

Go get it Travis! I look forward to seeing you hold up that Casque.

Travis. What verse did you use. Also pls post your theory even if you don’t find anything. If everyone shares there ideas I think it helps to advance the search.

I’m on pins & needles Travis, hope you find it!

I know, right! Beggars can’t be choosers though. Here’s the Jackson statue, pretty sure it’s nearby? This photo’s also from 1980.

MrSeabass

I think ‘standard geometric shape = standard geometric shape’ is a very poor and anbiguous match, IMO.

As I said, I’ve not seen this mentioned anywhere. It does not exist in Jackson Square or Armstrong. This is not my dig spot, just my confirmation of Lafayette Square being the location. My clues are coming together nicely and I will share them soon. But right now I’m just too damn busy to write this out. I work 7 days a week until July. I’ll try to get my solve posted tomorrow.
Until then, good luck to all of you and to your discoveries.

Really enjoyed reading RoughDraft274’s write-up of the New Orleans hunt, even though I’ve never made it further than Bourbon Street myself. Great to see the collaboration is still strong here. Found this 1980 photo of the McDonough statue in the Library of Congress’ digital photo archives, hope it’s a little clearer than the other ones in this thread:

JamesV

Really enjoyed reading RoughDraft274’s write-up of the New Orleans hunt, even though I’ve never made it further than Bourbon Street myself. Great to see the collaboration is still strong here. Found this 1980 photo of the McDonough statue in the Library of Congress’ digital photo archives, hope it’s a little clearer than the other ones in this thread:

nice! I wish it was taken from about 50 feet to the right!

I would like to further elaborate on the frustration that is out there.
Let me use a “real life” example. While free speech in public is allowed, certain types of free speech is “improper”: yelling “fire” in a crowded theater, shouting obscenities on a street corner, conducting a hate speech, etc.
So, while anyone is free to post on these boards, IMHO it is “improper” to flood the boards with your own posts so that the experience is made frustrating and difficult for other users, especially newcomers.
Out of all of the members on the Quest4Treasure board (not just The Secret) – and there are 83 pages of members at 20 per page totaling over 1600 members (just click on “members” in the upper right corner of any page) – erexere is NUMBER 8 ALL-TIME in number of posts with 2848. He has been a member since 2011. No other member in the top 60 posters all-time has been a member for less a period of time than that. He averages nearly 2 posts per day, and his posts consist of 2.2% of ALL posts on ALL of the boards (not just The Secret) ALL-time (Q4T has been around since 2001 – 15 years).
I welcome anyone’s postings on the board, but at some point, the flood of postings becomes “improper.”

Egbert

While I understand that you do not like to hear people be critical of other people, I think you are not understanding the criticism regarding this one particular member on our boards.
It appears that he just posted 8 consecutive times prior to my post here. I blocked him, so I do not know (nor care) what he posted.
The criticism is this: If someone makes a gazillion posts and floods the boards, it makes it incredibly difficult for newcomers – or anyone else for that matter – to read what others have posted. Most people – especially newcomers – would not know how to block someone, or even if they should block a particular person, just because they post a lot. What makes it even worse, though, is that IMHO, 99% of what he posts is totally off-base. So, it is now virtually impossible for a newcomer to “catch up” on the hunt, mostly because of one person – which is a shame.
I think the person in question is very intelligent, but again IMHO – he is posting things that are way off base (mostly because they are so complicated – something BP would not have done, again, IMHO).
I hope this is not taken the wrong way – I am just trying to explain the frustration that is out there.

Egbert

I would like to further elaborate on the frustration that is out there.
Let me use a “real life” example. While free speech in public is allowed, certain types of free speech is “improper”: yelling “fire” in a crowded theater, shouting obscenities on a street corner, conducting a hate speech, etc.
So, while anyone is free to post on these boards, IMHO it is “improper” to flood the boards with your own posts so that the experience is made frustrating and difficult for other users, especially newcomers.
Out of all of the members on the Quest4Treasure board (not just The Secret) – and there are 83 pages of members at 20 per page totaling over 1600 members (just click on “members” in the upper right corner of any page) – erexere is NUMBER 8 ALL-TIME in number of posts with 2848. He has been a member since 2011. No other member in the top 60 posters all-time has been a member for less a period of time than that. He averages nearly 2 posts per day, and his posts consist of 2.2% of ALL posts on ALL of the boards (not just The Secret) ALL-time (Q4T has been around since 2001 – 15 years).
I welcome anyone’s postings on the board, but at some point, the flood of postings becomes “improper.”

Egbert. We get it. You care so much about people who want to be involved in the treasure hunt that you have to resort to labeling my participation as “improper”.
When you get over yourself and stop whining about people who post more than twice a day, maybe you’ll get back to actual participation in this hunt. If you would bother to read any of my posts, maybe then you could offer an actual humble opinion. You, decibalnyc, four21thrasher seem to all think that I’m responsible for making progress in this hunt impossible. DO YOU KNOW HOW STUPID THAT SOUNDS? I’m not impressed by your bigotry.
Other than your off-topic antagonism, I think this has been a very productive week. I’d really like some help figuring out exactly how to apply the knight-move motif. (see a few posts back).

Ah ok, I’m familiar with that neighborhood (via this thread, not personally). I’ll do my best, I’m definitely going to check out Storyland, the sculpture garden, and around the art museum too.
I don’t think this is relevant but it is 15 steps down into Jackson Sq if you come from the Riverwalk (a new park) and down past the canon.
But it’s a small area and easy to see nothing matches in terms of lights, statues, benches. We looked at pretty much everything in the two squares and have been doing all the historic stuff we can, and there’s nothing you could even mistake as being relevant.
There’s not much in this painting, and at some point it needs to drill down into visible images, including at least one larger thing, either the grandfather clocks shape, the hand in the painting (there’s a statue in city park making a smiliar hand gesture but it’s from the 1990s), etc.
In Boston there are multiple lines that refer to areas away from the solution as well, though much closer than NC. The names on the library are a bit removed, and there is a visual match In Copley Sq (perhaps 2) that also isn’t in the solution path I have. So I’m assuming that’s possible in this one too.

I can try if my girlfriend will humor me
what’s the jewels abound thing there?
Also I learned that the story land area was created when someone left their jewels to the city. Probably nothing, I’m personally a believer that the first line isn’t too specific. In NC the first line references something many miles away. In Chicago it’s less vague but really still not all that important to the solve (going with the busts over the statue as the interpretation), and Clveland references the park filled with countries but itself is pretty damn vague. I’d be surprised if “the place where jewels abound” is 4-5 steps in.
But I’ll gladly do what I can, we have a decent point and shoot with us too.

You might look at the Morazan statue on St. Louis and Basin. Compare the hem on his pant legs to the hem on the sleeve of the hand holding up the Louis mask. Then walk towards the center of the four large palms and face the wall of the cemetery and find the position of the roof of tomb No. 21 at your 12 o’clock.

examine the street names here
https://www.google.com/maps/place/New+O … e85e22d3b4
TLDR: Amythyst St. Topaz, St, Crystal St, Agate St, Jade St, Turquoise St, Gem st., Emerald St, Zircon St Opal St. Garnet, St, Tourmaline Park.
The fountain is on lakeshore dr right above this neighborhood.

The rules say it won’t be in a cemetery. Just FYI

Careful, I’m not suggesting its in a cemetery. I’m saying you locate one of the “palaces to shelter their heads for a night” at the 12 o’clock position. Its location as a line of sight reference is critical to your orientation in a neutral ground grass area in the middle of Basin St, which is NOT a cemetery. If the No. 21 tomb is one of 15 tombs grouped in that SE corner of the cemetery then you have satisfied a good one layer deep set of verse clues. Next, you’ll note that the position puts Morazan at a position just shy of 3 o’clock. The actual jewel of a clock is the center pin where the hands connect. Why not try and utilize this clock fact as a way to locate the Fair Folk jewel?

erexere

. The actual jewel of a clock is the center pin where the hands connect. Why not try and utilize this clock fact as a way to locate the Fair Folk jewel?

clock jewels are not under the center post.
they are under the reduction gears. They are the points under stress from the mainspring.
centerpost has no stress it spins freely. So the center of the clock is where the jewels arent….

Ah. I will check. My memory isnt so clear, but I thought I read otherwise. thanks Malts.

I have my grandfather’s pocket watch- 8 jewels they are all under the gears. (actually top and bottom) they are the pivots/bearings for the gears under the most stress.
for obvious reasons the center post cannot have a jewel on both ends…

so a jewel is a pivot point?

yes a jewel is a bearing.
it was so hard it created little friction between the gear-post and itself. and also being so hard,their was no sloppy movements of the gear it stayed put and didn’t wiggle as it turned. no need to oil them, (if you oiled bearings in pocket watches, the change of temperature would change the viscosity of the bearing and it would run slower when cold and faster when hot, (bad things in a watch)
watch jewels were the original non-stick surface.