Here are some more details on the Mount Stephen Club, from an architect’s point of view. What follows is from
A History of Canadian Architecture
by Harold Kalman (1994, pp. 597-598). Maybe something useful can be gleaned from it. Note that our lamp is visible in the 1903 photograph:

i like it cw!
i found this picture:
http://flickr.com/photos/wallyg/945460916/
how about this guys for BP’s play on words like oil of L.A……………………………Albee square…….isle of b.
which is north of prospect park.
circles circles, i wish for a sure thing….i just read this:
“Founded in 1851, the New York Times has long been known as the Grey Lady for its stolid, conservative, upright…..”
which is close to bryant park, who was a poet…”rhapsodic man’s soil”
happy thanksgiving everyone!!

IS this a LEGEATER
i was looking for an eagle, for p-12 and ran across this.
looks like a legeater, can not find a better pic,
look at lamp in the first 2 pics, on the left
when i blew it up it got blurry
whoops a freind pointed out it maybe a hoof, but the leg is not bent, arrrrrrrrrr
http://www.nyc-architecture.com/WBG/wbg020.htm
and this is a great site for buildings in new york

thanks slappy close no go though. wonder if it was made by the same
co. that did the legeater
happy thanksgiving to you and everyone here

I’ve temporarily added FB’s Montreal pano to the bottom of this page —
http://users.crocker.com/~bclews

bclews was kind enough to make these wonderful panoramas out of the photos I snapped in Montreal a few days ago. It’s like you’re standing right there. Be sure to click on the images so you are viewing them at 100%.
http://www.geocities.com/quantpsy/trove/montreal2.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/quantpsy/trove/montrealvista.jpg

thanks forest and bclews!
for some reason, i kept picturing that lamp as extra large, probably because of all the close-ups i’ve seen of it.

I found a book about the history of Stanley Park written mostly in poetry.  Its from 1929.  Its the oddest thing with a whole chapter about an actual occurance where a huge hunt was mustered after a cougar whichbdragged off one of the six goats (in the zoo area?).  Im not disagreeing with the leg-eater lamp discovery, which I firmly consider a clue about the CP railway and the first train to make the trip No.374.  I think the legeater does look like a cougar eating a goat.  Surely this item in the pc could be about both.
By Shore and Trail in Stanley Park
See p.141 (PDF page 168) for “one of the most interesting episodes in the history of the park”.

maltedfalcon–
I can only clarify a lack of clarity on my part.  The state outline, if there is one, would have to be quite “loose,” possibly in the “stretch/reach” category.

Thank you for the effort, but no.  The upper left curve of the state woukd actually coordinate with his shoulder (not his collar), and the state’s lower right “thing” would coordinate with the square that contains the gazelle/foz head.
Or, perhaps my idea may be too vague, hence a “reach.”
Yet again, thanks for the artful post.  (I wish I knew how to do that fancy computer stuff.)

I don’t see it.
I mean I see the leg thing and the shoulder but I don’t see the map fitting neatly over the top- clarify for me more and I will try to draw it up
But you bring up a good question, what do they (missourians) call the little peninsula on the lower right of the state. its not called the “dogleg” or the “fetlock” or anything cute like that is it?

Good job with the pics! Thank you.
I was born and raised here (Missouri) and the only thing I’ve heard the “thing” called is the bootheel.

oh yeah I can see the boot heel
I was thinking it might be the tie to the funny hoofed leg….

I was wondering how someone could pick up the book, and find the Montreal legeater.
Here’s one way.
Imagine you know nothing about this puzzle.
You see that image 4 is connected with the Job Goblin.
(Check out the workmen, and the centaur.)
With this train connection in mind, the monument looks like a railway tunnel.
The “tunnel” is marked 1881, matching the number on the front of the train.
So…you’ve got trains, and a date of 1881. With a bit of research, you find that the
Canadian Pacific Railway
was founded in 1881, and George Stephen was the first president.
You turn up at his house, and see the legeater.
At this point, you’re confused, because you spotted the legeater in image 9.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
A dozen paintings share the clues
Although the emphasis is on using only a specific image and verse combination to solve a casque, I think that the field guide, and other verses and images, may also hold clues for each puzzle.

My boyfriend is playing golf in Forest Park today at the AAA course. I sent a camera with him for hole 7.

Actually MF, that was upside down from the way I’ve been trying to match it–hence the size problem. That’s a clever idea, though…hadn’t thought of that one!
Thanks, cw0909–but it didn’t work for me either. I wasn’t able to resize my map last night—will try again tonight.

I had posted this a while back but it got lost.  Malted, can you overlay these.  Thanks.  boogie

I cant see how to line them up
are you saying line the river up with the bumps on the right of the hat?
cause as much as I scale & spin, I cant get them close.

maltedfalcon, it has changed quite a lot over the ears.  Wood is more susceptible to mother nature than you think. Try your magic with this partial image of a much earlier version of that tree’s base.  I’d like to see you’re outline recreated from this image:
I’m very hopeful that I’ll soon have enough to piece this Vancouver possibility together.  The elements Im working with are:
1. Lumbermans Arch = flower (pic), arm extending (verse)
2. 3 checker boards = sleeves and torso checkers (pic), simple roots (verse) are square”roots”.
3. minitrain = legeater (pic) indirect yet strong reference through George Stephen.
4. 9 o’clock Gun = blob (pic), twice as many steps as the hour (verse).
5. Harding memorial = both sides of head and hands meeting (pic), Hard word (verse).
6. Totem poles =

No, I agree, it isn’t radically different except for that large lobe to the upper right (looking at the tree itself) which seems like it’s more susceptible to water pooling and freezing along that major split in the top.  That could’ve widened it from the center a number of inches or even a foot.  Being a park monument, I expect it would’ve been maintained to a degree.
So, this doesn’t shout “success!”, but it does cause a din of “maybe!”.
About those runes, looking at the Elder Futhark meanings, the “|><|" shape is a "d" meaning "day", the 'P' shape means "joy", and the "L" means "lake".  Likely, joy and lake go together.  Joy Lake in Canada is in Manitoba, central Canada.  Day occurs at "noon" which also may be considered central where the Sun is at it's zenith in the sky, or the hand of the clock is at the top-center.  Something to consider, I don't have any particular continuation for this idea.

erexere

maltedfalcon, it has changed quite a lot over the ears.  Wood is more susceptible to mother nature than you think. Try your magic with this partial image of a much earlier version of that tree’s base.  I’d like to see you’re outline recreated from this image:

You are correct the tree base has changed over time. but you can see in the past it even looked less like the flower. The green line is the trace of this photo (turned 90 degrees)
, the black line is the current trace and and the red is the flower.

Thanks.  I accept your critique that t fails to match.  I still wonder if the object is only to find sufficient likeness and not necessarily an exact match especially with the complicated contours of a rock face or a tree.  I agree about the exactness of the fence of many of the Chicago and Cleveland markers, but i don’t share your certainty of the necessity for exactness.  I look at it as a matter of how could JJP  made each drawing only precise enough to discern while avoiding unnecessary obfuscations.
(this post was approved by a glass of Pinot Noir…)

I think the flower, which looks sufficiently close to the Lumberman’s arch tree base outline, is intended to be a poppy.
Poppy makes sense since it’s significance in Canada is to honor fallen soldiers.  Remembrance Day in Canada is November 11th,
and is also referred to as “Poppy Day”.
I was looking at the index fingers in image 9 and they both look like they are furled slightly to disguise the idea that if they were
both pointing up, that could be an indication of the number 11.  The eleventh day of the eleventh month might be what that
is indicating.
I was looking at pictures of poppies and some other artists’ versions.  The bunched up orbs in the center of the JJP drawing
looked like coconuts or a pile of cannonballs.  Apparently poppies have these budding orbs in their centers.  Sorry I don’t know
my flower anatomy so well, but I think this is a good fit.
Remembrance Day is the day which the cenotaph in Victory Square is intended, so if this is a poppy, it does justify that idea.
Also this looks like a strong consideration, this 1980 sculpture, the Gate to the Northwest Passage:

Many who like the George Stephen House can’t understand why I’m in Olympic Park for my solve. Here are a few visuals why I’m in Olympic Park.
The “J” “9” on the leftside of his forehead is on this map of the original site plan. The “J” is the shape of the Esplanade that goes into the stadium from the PIE X subway. And you can see the “9” actually on the map.

It’s possibly that the symbols on the chest of the pious monk, are a P IX for the Pie-IX Boulevard and/or station (named after the Pope). When you punch in 222 Blvd Pie-IX this comes up, although numbers may have changed:
https://www.google.com/maps/place/222+B … -IX,+Montr
éal,+QC,+Canada/@45.5479837,-73.534495,424m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x4cc91b87385d0b35:0xd4cd1f0ca4a0caa1!8m2!3d45.5477528!4d-73.5335485
Something to play around with on top of the Pie-IX thought.

Unknown

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Mr. Walters comes from a family long associated with the tobacco trade in England, his father being one of the first directors of the Imperial Tobacco Company of Great Britain. After many years in the trade in England, Mr. Walters pioneered for the company in Egypt and India, finally coming to Canada where he took up residence in 1910. He was vice-president of the Imperial Tobacco Company of Canada for many years.

…just been revisiting Percy Walters Park near the dogleg where you can see these…
He was a tobacco baron…
(Tobacco references in intro…?)
Re: V2 and the sovereign people who shelter their heads for a night, one of Victoria’s sons, Albert Edward Prince of Wales, stayed there.
http://coolopolis.blogspot.com/2007/06/ … llren.html

forest_blight

I thought it would be neat to gather, in one place, all the correspondence we can definitely attribute to Byron Preiss.
Some time ago, fox dredged up this correspondence from BP to johann, who had sent him a location in St. Louis. Here it is, warts and all:
In response, johann replied:

I posted the following in June of this year, in the General Questions thread:
Afterthought
: By saying “I think you deserve to know…” I think it is clear that BP meant the actual St. Louis — the city, not a park named after St Louis in Montreal (for example). If he’d meant to be tricksy and said “I think you deserve to know…” that would have been pretty cruel. Now, does his message imply that johann had the right V, P, or V+P? Anyone’s guess.

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The thing about the stairstep is it is an exact match.exactly the width & height, it overlays perfectly.  The Jewel box merely is similar… dont forget the p7 which is the parking lot next to the building with the stairstep.

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Earlier though I asked a question to the person who reported the St Louis comment by BP, after reporting the comment, he later said he wondered if he mis-understood what BP meant. which leads me to believe BP did not unequivocally state there is a st louis casque, again he was being vague.
I asked exactly what BP said but never got an answer, does anybody know exactly what he said?

But we might be able to get an overlay to match perfectly with
any
building that had the same sort of configuration. I don’t know that the EXACT match is necessary for this particular feature of the P.(or any other P.) –I think any “stairstep” type of architecture (if it IS architecture at all) would be considered a good match. The reason I say this is because of the vagueness of most of the matches in the images. A good example is the outline of the state of Ohio in the Cleveland pic—it’s just vaguely the outline of Ohio–not exact at all. Ohio has a distinctive “shield” shape–and if you just get that much of it, you will understand it’s meant to be Ohio. That’s the vagueness I mean. It doens’t have to match the exact stairsteppy thing on the buildings–
just the fact that one of the buildings is a stairstep configuration
is probably the thing we are supposed to be looking at. Of course, arguments can be made for exactness as well–the columns in the Image 4 WERE exact. So was the wall, though its proportions were skewed by its placement in the Image. In Chicago, the Water tower was exact, if you remove the windmill blades. The statue wasn’t. It was just slightly different enough so you would recognize it if you saw it and compared the two, but not to “recognize” it as an “AHA!–I know that statue!” moment. The exact location of the casque, however, WAS exactly depicted.
Which leads me to this: if in both solutions we have EXACT depictions of the location of the casque, then what would that be in Image 9? It would almost HAVE to be the legeater—but we
cannot
dig at the legeater in Montreal. So that would mean (a) there has to be
another
legeater, and (b)
it’s not in Montreal!
What other images in that picture would be as precise a location? Nothing I can see.  The legeater and the blob–whatever that blob is—HAVE to be exactly where the casque resides, just as the wall and the “fixture” in the other solves are exactly depicted. I can’t see BP doing this inconsistently–it wouldn’t be fair to the reader,
or
support his statement that these were all supposed to be found within a few months.
From the mail posted, I don’t think there’s any doubt that there is one in St. Louis (Louid? LOL..) From the general associations with the imagery and the book’s structure, I don’t think it can be any other than Image 9.
I really think we ought to quit looking in Montreal and concentrate on finding some blob and legeater in St. Louis. If Johann’s solution was incorrect—as BP said–where exactly WAS that? The incorrect one, I mean? We can eliminate that location and look elsewhere.
Just my thoughts.

shecrab

But we might be able to get an overlay to match perfectly with
any
building that had the same sort of configuration. I don’t know that the EXACT match is necessary for this particular feature of the P.(or any other P.) –I think any “stairstep” type of architecture (if it IS architecture at all) would be considered a good match. The reason I say this is because of the vagueness of most of the matches in the images. A good example is the outline of the state of Ohio in the Cleveland pic—it’s just vaguely the outline of Ohio–not exact at all. Ohio has a distinctive “shield” shape–and if you just get that much of it, you will understand it’s meant to be Ohio. That’s the vagueness I mean. It doens’t have to match the exact stairsteppy thing on the buildings–
just the fact that one of the buildings is a stairstep configuration
is probably the thing we are supposed to be looking at. Of course, arguments can be made for exactness as well–the columns in the Image 4 WERE exact. So was the wall, though its proportions were skewed by its placement in the Image. In Chicago, the Water tower was exact, if you remove the windmill blades. The statue wasn’t. It was just slightly different enough so you would recognize it if you saw it and compared the two, but not to “recognize” it as an “AHA!–I know that statue!” moment. The exact location of the casque, however, WAS exactly depicted.
Which leads me to this: if in both solutions we have EXACT depictions of the location of the casque, then what would that be in Image 9? It would almost HAVE to be the legeater—but we
cannot
dig at the legeater in Montreal. So that would mean (a) there has to be
another
legeater, and (b)
it’s not in Montreal!
What other images in that picture would be as precise a location? Nothing I can see.  The legeater and the blob–whatever that blob is—HAVE to be exactly where the casque resides, just as the wall and the “fixture” in the other solves are exactly depicted. I can’t see BP doing this inconsistently–it wouldn’t be fair to the reader,
or
support his statement that these were all supposed to be found within a few months.
I really think we ought to quit looking in Montreal and concentrate on finding some blob and legeater in St. Louis. If Johann’s solution was incorrect—as BP said–where exactly WAS that? The incorrect one, I mean? We can eliminate that location and look elsewhere.

shecrab

What other images in that picture would be as precise a location? Nothing I can see.  The legeater and the blob–whatever that blob is—HAVE to be exactly where the casque resides, just as the wall and the “fixture” in the other solves are exactly depicted. I can’t see BP doing this inconsistently–it wouldn’t be fair to the reader

The statue was as exact a match as the boy in New orleans. The only difference was the arrow.
The outline of the building in cleveland was an exact match, not just similar. Its actually very difficult to find something that exactly matches a stair step, as there are differences posible in the height and width of every stairstep. unlike the map matches which admittedly are vague the stairstep matches the building’s top perfectly on every step, almost as if it were traced. Like in cleveland and chicago, BP has demostrated architectual features in the pictures are exact.
I disagree completely that the images shown in the pictures indicate proximity to the casque. the water tower and skycraper were miles from their casques.(although in a direct line.)
I have a big problem with you saying
not too long ago I put forth the premise that we should be using the solved verses to deconstruct the unsovled ones and you specifically said that there is no way we can do that because We cant be sure BP followed a set formula for each verse, you were quite adamant about it and I had to admit you were correct. Besides just because you haven’t found the “Local confirmer” in the image doesnt mean it isnt there. It could be something as obvious as the checkerboard, or the hands..
I agree with you though, if there is/was a legeater in St.Louis, This is the most likely St Louis image.
I think researching the manufacturer of the legeater is a dead end.
Even if you were to find the manufacturer, the odds on them having detailed information on locations of lamp bases is slight.
Lets Assume that you do find the manufacturer and they do have a ship list that indicates 1 or even 100 legeater bases were shipped to St Louis for the fair…
So? None of that indicates a legeater in St Louis in 1981…
You either need to find a legeater (an exact match like the one in montreal) or
find somebody who remembers one that was there in 1981.
I think your best bet is the wanted posters…
Until then, The exact match of the legeater in Montreal , the stairsteps, the p7, the lat/lon and the map, makes this most likely a Montreal image.
Why should we quit looking in Montreal? In what way does looking in Montreal, limit or impede looking in St Louis?

Also any solution St. Louis or Montreal will need to resolve the blob thingy.
This has been suggested as a solution.
but I don’t think so, at first glance it is has steps, and flowing water, which is a possible reason for the curved arcs, but once the blob is blown up to match the height of the fountain, the width, step sizes and positions become all wrong. included is views of the fountain from two different sides so one can extrapolate there isnt a view of the fountain that would match the blob,
The top of the fountain definitely does not match the top of the blob…
Still if a photo of this fountain taken from a different direction matches exactly, That would be a big plus in the St Louis direction.
who is on the ground in St.Louis who can go look at this fountain and take pictures

“”” The statue was as exact a match as the boy in New orleans. The (indian) only difference was the arrow. “””
Actually… the boy in the picture is wearing a ball cap and different clothes…. and the indian’s back arm is missing and instead is forward with an arrow.
So we are not dealing with exact matches… but extremely similar matches that leave little doubt.
There is a 4th side to the fountain we haven’t seen, and at an angle the upper portion of the fountain looks like a concrete V shape.
Unfortunately both cities have possible connections

malted – the fit of the sculpture in Chicago is even more exact than what you depict. JJP painted the Bowman, not the Spearman. They do look similar to one another, though.

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The outline of the building in cleveland was an exact match, not just similar.

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Its actually very difficult to find something that exactly matches a stair step, as there are differences posible in the height and width of every stairstep. unlike the map matches which admittedly are vague the stairstep matches the building’s top perfectly on every step, almost as if it were traced.

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Like in cleveland and chicago, BP has demostrated architectual features in the pictures are exact.

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I disagree completely that the images shown in the pictures indicate proximity to the casque. the water tower and skycraper were miles from their casques.(although in a direct line.)

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not too long ago I put forth the premise that we should be using the solved verses to deconstruct the unsovled ones and you specifically said that there is no way we can do that because We cant be sure BP followed a set formula for each verse, you were quite adamant about it and I had to admit you were correct. Besides just because you haven’t found the “Local confirmer” in the image doesnt mean it isnt there. It could be something as obvious as the checkerboard, or the hands..

Huh???
I was talking about the shape of OHIO not the shape of the Terminal Tower. I never even mentioned the Terminal Tower.
This is not exactly correct. Any picture with a stairstep could be sufficiently manipulated to match. That leaves enough doubt in my mind to not want to go with it.
I believe that is what I said about SOME of the imagery. In other parts, the elements in the Image are INexact. Just not the locations of the CASQUES.
Are you kidding? In image 4, the wall is EXACTLY where the casque was hidden. EXACTLY. It wasn’t “miles” from it, it was THERE.
In Image 5, the FENCE FIXTURE was where the casque was buried…not AT the water tower. I didn’t say that. You did not read my post carefully. I never claimed the casque was at the water tower OR the Terminal Tower!
And the statue I was referring to was not the Bowman statue, but the Spirit of the Great Lakes statue in front of the Art Museum. In the Image, it has wings. In reality, it doesn’t. I had completely forgotten about the Bowman actually–and I don’t have my book here.
I said, if you remember, that I
did not believe there was a formula in the VERSES.
Not the images. I
still
don’t believe there is a formula present in the verses. We aren’t talking about those in this thread. Nor do I believe the “straight line” theory. I don’t think we can sufficiently claim a formula for location using only two images–and that’s not what I’m implying. I’m saying only that in the two solved pictures, both show in PICTURES the exact casque locations. And that in Image 9, the only thing that could even BE an exact location was the legeater/blob. I’m not claiming I’m correct–I’m just trying to say that if he DID paint the location, I don’t know where else it might be!

shecrab

Huh???

No you said
Most
of the images in the picture of which ohio was an example, The terminal tower is an example where it isnt… as a way of saying I thought you were incorrect.
I was also saying you cant assume the legeater/blob is a local confirmer, until you find the casque spot and see what is there. Using it to eliminate Montreal as a possibilty because you cant dig around it doesnt make any sense.
By assuming there is a formula in the pictures but not in the verses you are being inconsistent. It would make sense if there is consistency in the images for their to be consitency in the verses or vice versa.

shecrab

I really think we ought to quit looking in Montreal and concentrate on finding some blob and legeater in St. Louis. If Johann’s solution was incorrect—as BP said–where exactly WAS that? The incorrect one, I mean? We can eliminate that location and look elsewhere.

Of course the other things are all debatable until the cows come home…
the real question I wanted an answer to was:
Why should we quit looking in Montreal? In what way does looking in Montreal, limit or impede looking in St Louis?

forest_blight

I thought it would be neat to gather, in one place, all the correspondence we can definitely attribute to Byron Preiss.
Some time ago, fox dredged up this correspondence from BP to johann, who had sent him a location in St. Louis. Here it is, warts and all:

st. Louid ?  Suppose this easily could’ve been a typo since “s” and “d” are neighbors but why not capitalize the “s” in st.?  Let’s all hope there are no major typos in our V’s

I have always been sceptical anytime someone claims to see something in the backgrounds and whatnot, but i must say once i saw the picture from the link on the wiki site, it sort of just jumped out at me.  I do indeed see a person on a horse, in an agressive stance such as a jockey.  I saw it even clearer when I kinda blurred my focus like you do when looking at those magic eye pictures (it wasn’t 3D though!)
I don’t doubt for a second that an artist as skilled as JJP could do such with nothing but a brush.  there are many types of brushes, not just the jumbo ones we used in grade school art class.

catherwood

Additionally, how could the artist put any such details in his paintings?  (Do we know the original size of the paintings?  How much were they reduced to fit on a book page?) A single brush stroke is going to create many fine lines from each hair in the paintbrush — i do not believe any artist could control for such factors.  Oh, plus the fact that you are not zooming in on the original painting, but a scanned and printed version — you’re magnifying the pixels of the printing process, not the details in the brush strokes.  It’s like when you see artifacts in a .jpg image which was made from a screen capture.

I checked the book image after I got home and I see the same line drawing – need a magnifying glass to see it clearly.

catherwood

Additionally, how could the artist put any such details in his paintings?  (Do we know the original size of the paintings?  How much were they reduced to fit on a book page?)

As a matter of fact, yes.
JJP offered to sell me the centaur pic, and he said that it was about 2 feet tall by 1 foot wide (approximately).  Also, he said they are not paintings – they are drawings.

maltedfalcon

Also the trouble with having to blow up the image and process it to see things is something that BP could not have expected the readers to do in 1981 as nobody would have access to that kind of stuff.

It is quite interesting indeed that there does appear to be a person on a horse, or bicycle or something.  I do see a pretty clear image of that…but I am with Falcon when he said:
I still don’t think this is Churchill Downs however…sorry

maltedfalcon

Also the trouble with having to blow up the image and process it to see things is something that BP could not have expected the readers to do in 1981 as nobody would have access to that kind of stuff.

Additionally, how could the artist put any such details in his paintings?  (Do we know the original size of the paintings?  How much were they reduced to fit on a book page?) A single brush stroke is going to create many fine lines from each hair in the paintbrush — i do not believe any artist could control for such factors.  Oh, plus the fact that you are not zooming in on the original painting, but a scanned and printed version — you’re magnifying the pixels of the printing process, not the details in the brush strokes.  It’s like when you see artifacts in a .jpg image which was made from a screen capture.

MERLIN

NOW U GONE AND DUN IT!!! –
https://miraimages.photoshelter.com/ima … IbQMoT4MgU

What’s all this violence aboot?!

MERLIN

In the spirit of creating even more confusion…….has anyone ever considered Montreal Wisconsin?

Wow, no I never thought of that…. I will keep an open mind.. I think it is at the base of mount Stephen in yoho park in Canada. I’m trying to think anything but the obvious on a few of these images… because thousands of people have tried to solve it with Montreal and haven’t unearthed anything. I feel that many of the Montreal solves were pretty good… but still it isn’t there. If you try doing something and it isn’t working…I feel I should try something else.

I think Mount Stephen has a lot of potential. I don’t think the verses are correct for Montreal though.

How about Baltimore! Here’s the flag of Maryland.

U BEST STOP WITH THAT CRAZY TALK

It is supremely unlikely that the blob is a pixelated anything. Digital image editing wasn’t yet a thing in 1981.

MERLIN

U BEST STOP WITH THAT CRAZY TALK

Sorry, I’ll be good… Des Moines, Iowa??

Hey Baltimore sounds good right now. The character could be
Poe
. Afterall he has prominent “crows-feet”.

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St. Louid…Yoho Park around Mount Stephen…Baltimore…Des Moines, Iowa??

Wow. Looks like war has been declared against Canada. I’d blame Josh, but he hasn’t been around for weeks.

Euhirudinea

Wow. Looks like war has been declared against Canada. I’d blame Josh, but he hasn’t been around for weeks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOR38552MJA

NOW U GONE AND DUN IT!!! –
https://miraimages.photoshelter.com/ima … IbQMoT4MgU

Wrll, here is the present status of St. Louis.  I suspect the Friedrich Jahn sculpture, in Forest Park, as the site of the treasure.  It is U-shaped (verse 2: in the middle of 21=U from end to end), and there ius a recebtly renovated boathouse with a waterway leading up in the direction of the sculpture (verse 2: 15[O???] rows down to the ground.)  That last line coukd be a reach; I am puzzled.  The plaques on the sculpture are appropriately black and gold, and there is a large center-plaque with two torches in a large X-pattern.
The sculpture features a stern bust with a gymnast to eack side.  One of the hands on one of the gymnast’s resembles the pointing hand in the pic.  Behind the sculpture woukld be a very well hidden place to dig.
So, I decided to dig and . . .
I found something.  A glass/plastic vial with a rolled up message inside (1′ below surface).  You can imagine my excitement when I unrolled the handwritten, photocopied parchment, which reads:
We are many countanances [misspelling], some happy, others severe.  We are surrounded by our naturally shapen brothers.  Your next clue lays beneath the eastern most of our number.
What?!  Huh?!  Could I have stumbled on another treasure hunt?  One of the gymnasts is more eastern, and I tried to dig a little there, but the ground was too hard.
What in the Fair-Folkin’ world?
***I am considering sonar.***  Any advice, Willhouse?

it sure sounds like you stumbled on someone else’s hunt.
gpr would be able to tell you if there was something (a void, a change in density) up to about 3 feet deep.
the best way to find one is to do a google on gpr and find some local people.  tell them your story and see if they’ll loan you a unit for the weekend.
here’s one site I found:
http://www.worksmartinc.net/
these guys will rent you one. not terribly pricey, but not free:
http://www.sensoft.ca/
good luck – email me if you need more info at
[email protected]
wilhouse

wilhouse, define not terribly pricey….
matt

Johann,
The fact that you found anything at all–even if it is another hunt–is exciting!  I would try to solve this riddle as well…

Pricey depends on where you are.
They only charge about $200/day, which is extremely reasonable.  However, they charge a setup fee of $250, again, which is actually reasonable.
the bad part comes in shipping. if they have to ship it to you, with insurance it’s about $250 each way.  So for a weekend you are going to be out about $1000.
Of course, then you have to find someone to help you read the data.  I have contacts for that if needed.
wilhouse

spending 1000$ to find a buried treasure worth about that kind of defeats the purpose….  😉

Johann —
Excitement abounds!  I can’t wait to get this bothersome wedding over with so I can rejoin this hunt once again.
I’m not sure if you are interested in following up this second mysterious hunt, but it might be a fun side quest.  Off the top of my head, a good starting place to scout would be the front of the art museum, where the statues of gods line the top of the building.  I don’t remember if they wear different expressions, or if the building even lays from the east to the west.  Otherwise, either the Blair and Bates statues may have reliefs on each of their four sides depicting people.
In any event, congrats.  Even an unrelated discovery is still a discovery.

Unknown

Unknown:
parchment, which reads:
We are many countanances [misspelling], some happy, others severe.  We are surrounded by our naturally shapen brothers.  Your next clue lays beneath the eastern most of our number.

When I read this I first thought about trees.  Maybe you should check around the eastern most tree in the area.  Good luck on this 2nd hunt…if that is what it is.  Does the wording of this parchment resemble any of “The Secret” verses?  Who knows, maybe BP did different things at different sites… unlikely but who knows.

looking through the link i posted
http://spacingmontreal.ca/page/15/
at this a few pgs forward, i found a building that looks like the collar,
not sure how close it is to legeater, was built i think in 1970s
http://spacingmontreal.ca/2008/06/09/mo … /#comments
fb hopefully we can find something dutch in the link

thanks x, i went looking for checkerboard and found this, this link has a link to
overlay maps first one in link
http://spacingmontreal.ca/page/15/
same link just a few pages back a checkerboard building of sorts
what i like about this site, is the pics from several people and categories,
with comparisions old and new, one drawback for me my french is like nil
http://spacingmontreal.ca/page/4/
anyway enjoy, plenty to look at

Thanks for those links, cw0909. The first place at the second link, Le Pois Penche, is almost immediately next door to the Mount Stephen Club. I remember walking on the sidewalk between those two rows of oddly placed tables this morning and thinking, “geez, that’s annoying.”

jayheedan1

The hand gestures looks like one of Auguste Rodin’s works called “The Secret.” An exhibit of his work is at the Montreal Museum of Art, not far from the George Stephan House with the leg eater lamp.

Interesting idea; I like that.

if this image is for montreal, i found this chessboard at notre dame de grace park which is still on sherbrooke road that we traveled on to get to mont royal park. (just going the other way)
only saw this one statue and the big chessboard you can see from google earth.
the chessboard would go with the image.
http://wikimapia.org/50201/Chess-Board
http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnbeales … otostream/

Going to revive this one from the dead a bit. Here is what I have come up with recently, trying to verify.
The biggest problem I see with this one is the visual confirmers infront of the former Mount Stephen club. Where does one dig? Did BP actually bury it on the grounds of a historic building? Do the clues lead away from the building (reverse image confimration)?
So I looked around a bit and found that the parking lot behind the club has dirt strips or planters running on Mountain and Maisonneuve. They do form a “V”. I also noticed a building type of structure that I could only guess is a cooling unit.
“In summer…whirring noise..”
I am working on verifying the line about the arm and the line about rhapsodic mans soil.
I think the hotel next to the club used to be a music club of some kind. Hopefully this leads somewhere.

major points for using the legeater!

“…a cooling unit. In summer…whirring noise..” Kinda cool.
That just made me think… I wish I had to use some air conditioning right now. It’s been cold for too long.
I’m ready for summertime soft ground.

Ill even suggest that the building accross the street from (the now defunct) Mount Stephens Club, could be called a grey giant.
and the alley you suggest could be the narrow path has a hallway or bridge or “arm” of one building connecting
the other.  viewable on google maps street view
BTW the address of the mount stephens club is 1440 Drummond st. Montreal CA

Let me thrown this out there for discussion.
I’m not a Big Foot fan and not having a clue as to the reason for the Primate Profile in the top of the Monk’s hat, I find it interesting that Leif Erikson was the first known person to report Big Hairy Ape-like creatures in Canada when his crew arrived. Could this profile be a Sasquatch image being thrown in the mix for fun as a type of waymarker letting us know Image 9 is in Canada?
As I’ve mentioned before I first thought this image had something to do with the Golden Lion Tamarin in Montreal but later realized this animal was introduced to the area after the casque was buried. Is there a lot of folklore in Canada concerning sasquatch like there is here in the states? Curious if any of our Canadian searchers can answer that. I’m having trouble coming up with and other “famous” primates in Canada.

drunknerds

The MSC has a tiny legeater next to a fleur de lis. It’s either buried at the club or across the street….You don’t have a picture of a two-inch-high statue in a generally featureless puzzle and not have it be an exact dig site indicator.

I thought the legeater was the base of a lamp post. I’ve had a mental picture of something two FEET tall, not two inches. Who builds a two-inch-tall anything? Anyway, just because it is in our painting doesn’t make it the final location, no matter the size.

Building on what Fenix is saying:
I see now that I painted it as the size that mattered. Sorry about that, I meant it’s the obscurity.
Cleveland had you go past iconic landmarks and sculptures featured in the image until you arrive at the final image match: Some wall.
Chicago had you go past classic buildings and statues until you get to the final image match: Some fencepost
In both, the only obscure image match object turned out to be the closest landmark to the final dig location.
In image 9, there is unique architecture, landscapes and… the tiny base of a lamp that even the owners don’t even know much about.
It’s not two feet, it’s not 8-10 inches tall:
http://thesecret.pbworks.com/f/Image09_ … arison.jpg
Also right next to a fleur de lis and right next door to a building with X shutters that resemble the image and weird brickwork that resembles his collar(kind of)
It’s going to take a shockingly exact match to convince me this isn’t the dig site. Not debate nor creative verse interpretation, because exact image matches of weird-but-not-Iconic stuff was the dig site marker for both solves.

Unknown

Unknown:
I’ve had a mental picture of something two FEET tall

Unknown

Unknown:
just because it is in our painting doesn’t make it the final location, no matter the size.

You don’t need a mental picture as there is an actual picture on the Wiki. It is the base of a lamp, and it is about 8-12 inches tall.
I agree. Preiss designed a puzzle, not a scavenger hunt.

Fenix

It appears the images are not loading properly but you can quote and pull the links if you would like to view them. *links added*
Regarding the legeater and final dig spot connection…this is a tough one. There really are not many image matches to go on in Image 9. The legeater and Fleur that I posted from the EU episode make a strong case that it is close based on what we have seen in the other puzzles. That is assuming that this puzzle works the same as Cleveland and Chicago, which it may not.
-The face is clearly John Macdonald who’s monument is in Place du Canada.(Fox even pointed this out 10+ years back)
-St. George’s Anglican Church across from Windsor Station and Place du Canada has a similar pattern to it’s doors as the neckline.
-The X’s are everywhere in the area.
-There is a checkerboard match on Le Chateau Apartments on Sherbrooke close to the MSC. It has the same 5×11 grid as the sleeves.
-The EU episode reveals more of the wall and there appears to be a perfect rectangle which could be representing the stolen Rembrandt from the Museum of Fine Arts
I’ve also manipulated the flower in the image using layers for each line/stroke. There is one area outside of the 67 area that does not align with how the image was drawn. The two petals to the right of the 67 are connected.
Take this all for what it is worth. I do not pretend to be one of the “experts” on the puzzles.

These are some great observations. One thing that has been nagging me is the detail on the top of the hat on the monk. On the right (his left) it looks like a face, or a shoreline, or something. Maybe it is a rough representation of the stolen Rembrandt?

Interesting ideas. I have 2 quick questions:
1. Where are the checkerboard patterns on le chateau apartments? If those fit, that would make the area pretty convincing.
2. Regarding the MSC, the thoughts about the imagine make sense, but if you are thinking verse 5 is the tie-in, i struggle with a forest member or white stone…
By the way, this is my first post here but hope to contribute in some small way eventually.

bignate

Interesting ideas. I have 2 quick questions:
1. Where are the checkerboard patterns on le chateau apartments? If those fit, that would make the area pretty convincing.
By the way, this is my first post here but hope to contribute in some small way eventually.

Welcome to the hunt!!
I’m not so sure about the checkerboards being convincing. in the same basic area, I have seen many many checkerboard patterns on floors, buildings, signs. etc.
also the stair-step (collar) seems to be a very very common architectural theme in this area

the connection to Rembrandt is that the painting is a replica of a rembrandt self portrait and the heist at the museum of fine arts. what rectangle are you referencing?

if you flip screen upside down ruffles look like a face, with the hair of the Rembrandt guy making a particularly 80s/French hairstyle.

its most likely the Ottawa River though…

bignate

Interesting ideas. I have 2 quick questions:
1. Where are the checkerboard patterns on le chateau apartments? If those fit, that would make the area pretty convincing.
2. Regarding the MSC, the thoughts about the imagine make sense, but if you are thinking verse 5 is the tie-in, i struggle with a forest member or white stone…
By the way, this is my first post here but hope to contribute in some small way eventually.

Welcome!
#2 is a solid point. If it’s in such an urban location, you don’t really need directions like “take 12 paces from somewhere,” because there’s not going to be a lot of area that’s diggable. Unless the MSC had a white stone in its courtyard back in 1980. Where that pic…
… hmmm can’t find it. Used to be a black and white pic of MSC in 1980 floating around. Here’s an older one:
http://www.memorablemontreal.com/docume … 68-001.jpg

bignate

Regarding the MSC, the thoughts about the image make sense, but if you are thinking verse 5 is the tie-in, i struggle with a forest member or white stone

Sure, though V2 could work at a stretch.
At the place where jewels abound
Fifteen rows down to the ground
Fifteen steps at the MSC
In the middle of twenty-one
From end to end
Dunno, but worth investigating
Only three stand watch
Three leg-eating things on the legeater
As the sound of friends
Fills the afternoon hours
Dunno, though could be anywhere
Here is a sovereign people
Who build palaces to shelter
Their heads for a night!
Possible tie-in with the Quebec sovereignty movement. You’d have to assume a very obscure red herring for anyone who picked up
Abroad In America
, and it would tend to affirm the Charleston interpretation of Edwin and Edwina (because if they were both off it would be ridiculous)
Gnomes admire
Bankers, or “Gnomes of Zurich”, mentioned in the book’s Field Guide and on a plaque at the MSC
Fays delight
Dunno, though someone once suggested “Face the light” in the distant past, and this is a lamp
The namesakes meeting
Near this site
Dunno, bankers meeting perhaps.
It’s not exactly FOY-standard, but, it’s not impossible.
(Another small tie-in I like for this location is the litany reference to a “cloud of shifting, shining smoke”, which is echoed in a description of the “oncoming smoke of trains and trade” in the story – all before the verses and images, so excluded from the “irrelevant” theory – George Stephen having been elected to the Montreal Board of Trade, and first president of the Canadian Pacific Railway.)

only I solved Charleston to the location in the painting with that verse but w.e. lol

maltedfalcon

I’m not so sure about the checkerboards being convincing. in the same basic area, I have seen many many checkerboard patterns on floors, buildings, signs. etc.
also the stair-step (collar) seems to be a very very common architectural theme in this area

Agreed, but if both checkers and stair step collar pattern were on the same building, that gets my attention. the courtyard area of the chateau apts does have he stairstep pattern on a wall, plus that area would be more secluded for the original dig. Although that area has been torn up in the past 10 years too…

does anyone have a link with any info on the candelabra in particular? or possibly the GC (gov of Canada) page for MSH.

does anyone have a link with any info on the
candelabra
in particular? or possibly the GC (gov of Canada) page for MSH.

Wow, you couldn’t have read that with anymore personal prejudice if you tried.
I’m enjoying the feedback and just trying to say what I see or what I interpret pieces of art to be or words in a poem to mean. I was just having a little fun with Josh with my comment, that’s all. I think it is actually funny how many times the word “stretch” is used…..a search reveals 25 pages of results.

actually I think his Perfect 10 x 7 was pretty good. I even think the flower and two squares represent the 3 medals she won as well (as that would nicely align with another theme in this puzzle). he may even be right about the balance beam and uneven bars. it doesn’t not fit so who am I to judge.

anus905

…… it doesn’t not fit so who am I to judge.

Who are you and what have you done to Josh????
0_o

MrBackstop

Wow, you couldn’t have read that with anymore personal prejudice if you tried.
I’m enjoying the feedback and just trying to say what I see or what I interpret pieces of art to be or words in a poem to mean. I was just having a little fun with Josh with my comment, that’s all. I think it is actually funny how many times the word “stretch” is used…..a search reveals 25 pages of results.

Some of those might say that you should stretch before hiking around a park looking for treasure.

eh, if its right, its right.

MrBackstop

It’s simply my interpretation of symbolism. Why does everyone describe everyone elses interpretations as a “stretch”. This amuses me.

Your defense is now “well, that’s just, like, your opinion, man?”
Read the boards. Q4t has always been founded solidly in debate and disagreement. That’s how the cleveland solve came to fruition.That’s how philosophers have settled debates on what is truth for millenia
Read the thread. I gave an example of how interpretation and symbolism do nothing for advancing a solve, detailed how they have never been used in a puzzle ever, and shown how they have not been part of Preiss’ two solved casks.
Read your post. You bumped an old post, and now are complaining that people are being critical of it. Uh, yeah, bumping it is asking for constructive criticism. It’s not even a good match, it’s literally this:
I am sorry to put you on blast specifically, it’s not just you there are a lot of posters who seem to have a “post a lot but accept no criticism” mindset. I love your personality and posting style, but an ability to self-edit, adjust perspective, and take criticism is necessary in solving a frustrating puzzle on a messageboard. It used to be that way was the norm for q4t. But now people are coming with the attitude of “I want others to respect my posts, but I don’t want to validate their constructivism,” and it’s just not leading to any advancement on solves

Always a good idea Gman. Don’t want to pull a hammy.

its amazing how hes managed to incorporate the entire history of Canada into this little puzzle. so wild.

The symbols boardering the “X” may be ancient runes (although the one that looks like “7” would be backwards)
The first symbol in runes is Wunjo which is “the Standard of the Gods, at the head of the procession.” (or) the letter W/V. Not much help that I can fathom.
The second symbol may be Laguz which is “Water appeared on the land … Laguz … Lake”. (or) the letter L. Now we may be getting somewhere with water or lake.
Now, the X which leads us to 10/october could also be 1 of 2 runes.  It could be Gebo (letter G) which “represents the goddess Gefn/Frayr who was the mistress of the gods. In this capacity Gebo/X ironically symbolizes the Constellation of Virgo.” or it could be Dagaz (letter D) which means”And then there was Light …  Dagaz … Day.”
So, what do we have?   G(or)D.W/V.L.  &  Light/day (or) Gefn/Virgo-head of procession-water/lake.

I always hated to follow my post with another but here are some alternate translations.
DAGAZ = Breakthrough
GEBO = Partnership
WUNJO = Joy
LAGUZ = Flow

Was FB the original discoverer of the leg eater?  I’d like to know more about the process that led to the discovery.  In other words, what idea prompted the search for that lamp in the first place?
The flow of ideas for me is:  steeple, leg, bishop (but as a chess thought based on checkerboard and the italian fianchetto motif), jazz (horn- finger positions similar to trumpet, the music note in flower, and the beat-nik hat), football (shape of head).
Still, i have not settled on any particular verse or location.  The St. Stephens church reference is a buried idea, since it no longer exists.  How accessible would that historical knowledge be 30 years ago?

Nope, I’m afraid I can take credit for very little in this hunt, aside from shooting down other people’s ideas.
Go back to August 11, 2006 on this thread. ravel07 found it, and the rest of us celebrated.

Good pics FB. (Still find it hard to drag myself away from that Montreal legeater though.)

nectarbean led me here through another forum, and I’ve been looking at this picture for a while, and two things have come to me. First I agree with the gazelle, In fact I can’t see a dog in there at all. the symbol under it bothered me most, I could make nothing of it, until I saw the picture with it rotated, when it was upside down, I saw an upside down person! so turning it right side up again, I see a person, walking, holding a brief case. now this image would be in a cubist sort of style.
The blue being the arms, the red is the body, the black the brief case, the yellow is the legs, and the uncolored section being the head.
I just can’t seem to shake that image of a person from my head
Now a theroy I wish to look into further is this “thompsons gazelle” could there be an artist named thompson who created an image similar to the object below the head.
The foutain idea is also very interesting though

mm2587–  Thank you for contributing a very new interpretation of the “thing” (as it has been called).  I will look at it more carefully and open-minded now.  It has had me stumped for quite some time.
And welcome to the hunt!

ap if you go here and zoom, near the lions in the corner their are posts, and they
seem to look like the one trohn found. no veiw from same as pic you posted, thinking all posts
are the same
http://www.panoramamagazine.com/virtual … 0Entrance/

Here are some more shots of those lamps:
So, not as good a match as the Montreal lamps, but still… what a coincidence!

Back to the drawing board…
Thanks cw0909 and FB for your quick responses…
AP

AP, it’s an article, not a book. I’m not really supposed to do this, but since it’s not for profit and you could call this a personal scholarly pursuit, I’ll post it here:
whitehill_1970.pdf
EDIT: For some reason, I can’t download the file or read it online, yet I have no trouble opening it on my own computers. PM me if you want a copy.
EDIT: Thanks for the sharp eyes eljayo! Corrected.

forest_blight

AP, it’s an article, not a book. I’m not really supposed to do this, but since it’s not for profit and you could call this a personal scholarly pursuit, I’ll post it here:
whitehill_1970.pdf
EDIT: For some reason, I can’t download the file or read it online, yet I have no trouble opening it on my own computers. PM me if you want a copy.

FB, there is a missing “i” in your link… the correct one is:
http://www.geocities.com/quantpsy/trove/whitehill_1970.pdf

FB,
Thanks for trying…
I went to Amazon and typed in Boston historic landmarks and architecture.
Whew!! There are a lot of books about those subjects !
Just have to find those that include 1980 photos.
AP

Good grief – thanks! I’ve gone back and corrected the link.

That is some article!
Thanks Eljayo and FB!

You know, I had an idea too…that perhaps J. W. Fiske was one of the original exhibitors at the St. Louis World’s Fair–(Louisiana Purchase Exposition 1904).
Sadly, he wasn’t.
Ah well……

hi ap i read your post
Re: image 9
« Reply #853 on: August 08, 2008, 06:17:19 pm »
and as luck would have it, a friend stopped by, while i was looking at p-9 and your
post. he is a golfer, golfing is like you golf or dont golf, i gather. and im not a golfer.
anyway he took the golf flag you mentioned, as PX1 a golf club, used back before 1982
for golfing a dogleg course, or a dogleg part of a course, dude did not think twice
about what he saw in p-9 with the dogleg and the px1, he told me he paid $100.00 for a
ping something club about 2 year ago, i asked why the jewel, would be where it is at,
he said end of the course. we did not have time to look at course, on net or go over verses
i sent him the p-9 and the verses txt, to look at. below are some links, you decide, oh yea
i showed him the legeater pic, his thought was maybe bp is a member of the club, and
just put it together, to make it a little fuzzy and harder to find, or used a golf course and park
in montreal, i like golf course and park in montreal, would connect the legeater better.
http://www.pinggolf.com/about/default.aspx
http://www.golf-architecture-made-easy.com/Doglegs.html
http://www.lastminutegolfer.com/Course/ … urseID=694

lol, that was one of my old theories, that preiss used hiding the casks to his wife so that he could go play golf!!  i had noticed there were golf courses in all the parks we were looking at and i’m sure everyone was scoffing at me!!
i really like this being a dogleg for golf because of the golf flag.  good post cw0909!
that was pretty interesting about the golf course being built where the 1904 World’s Fair had taken place in Forest Park….as that has been mentioned before….
looks like 3 doglegs on that course

I think if the building of the leg eater was easily
identified, ravel would have siad “here at the old city hall”
All he said was “dwntown” and with no posted images of it
on general tourist sites, it is probably at a non-descipt
location.

I wonder where Ravel07 went when he left the country…. St louis?  With a shovel?  Just kidding Ravel….

Is the leg-eater somewhere near the park Mont-Royal, which was designed by Olmsted?

I emailed a person who has taken extensive pix of downtown Montreal inquiring about our “thing”.  Here is the reply I got:
——————————————————-
From :  doug bull
Sent :  Monday, August 14, 2006 11:50 PM
To :
[email protected]
Subject :  Flickr remark
|  |  | Inbox
Re: downtown Montreal art
Hi Robert
I can’t say I’m familiar with that gargoyle like sculpture in your picture on Flickr. It looks like it’s located in Vieux Montreal.. perhaps part of the fountain next to City Hall but I can’t say for sure. No water involved so kina unlikely. Sorry, if I ever come across it I’ll take a picture of it and post what I find out.
Doug
——————————————————————-
I think he is probably right about Vieux Montreal (meaning old montreal)….  The City Hall looks to be a good candidate to me.  The blocks are similar, the pillars are similar, the square bases to the pillars are similar.  I just cant find a pic showing our thing.  Here is Old Town City Hall
now, I did find this pic of a lovely young lady posing on the steps of City Hall.  There is a very blurry lamp-post over her right shoulder, is this our thing?

oops, 2nd image wont post… try this link
http://www.pbase.com/phoebez/image/32198415

ok, after further review of who knows how many pix of the area… I am beginning to think this isnt the right bldg.
BUT…
is it just me or does there appear to be stairs/steps leading directly under the “thing”?  a possible subway entrance?  jeez, I am really grasping here….

niteowl – Pine was asking about the link between Montreal and the Dutch. P9
must
be the Dutch picture, by elimination if nothing else.

Leaning towards agreeing with Sixer here.  Leg-eater may be unique to Montreal.  Plus, with Niteowls post on Wikipedia, I found the Mr Stephen built a fishing lodge in Quebec that is now a musuem/Historic Site called
Matamajaw
..  Though, as always, FB’s post is just as compelling.
Asking for help with this one putting them together:
A couple of diiferent ways to look at it.  Couldn’t find pics of Matamjaw on the web.
edit: still looks better w/St Lou

Well then I don’t believe that could be a possibility that the legeater would still be there if it is the site of the Veterans Hospital.  I’ll check more into it tomorrow and see what I can find and maybe we’ll make another trip Lindell way . Carol

hi all-
I had talked with someone at mount club stephen about the originality of the lamp posts.  They said that they were original and most likely custom made for the stephens.  How accurate this is– I can’t be sure– but with all that is unique to the house– I wouldn’t think the lamp posts to be the exception.
sixer

Little bit of a brainstorm question:
What’s Dutch about Montreal?

sixer

I had talked with someone at mount club stephen about the originality of the lamp posts.  They said that they were original and most likely custom made for the stephens.  How accurate this is– I can’t be sure– but with all that is unique to the house– I wouldn’t think the lamp posts to be the exception.

I agree sixer.  Its likely they are unique because the owners want to avoid a conversation like this:
Golden Square Mile Brazillionaire #1:  Hey! Check out my new house.  Aren’t these lampposts cool!!!
Golden Square Mile Brazillionaire #2: I suppose, I’ve got 10 of them at my place…
So here’s a question.  What is the smallest feature in the solved images that was just a general hint, and not something
in the immediate vicinity of the casque?  Things like the Chicago water tower are big and well known so you might
not expect to find the casque near it, but many of the smaller items in the Chicago picture were at the site, right?  So
are the legeaters a well known Montreal feature?  I’d say not since it took this long to identify them.  If its not a general
Montreal reference then its most likely a site specific clue, and thus I would look really closely at the area around the club.
Also, the picture has lots of golden squares, but the biggest is drawn around the legeater and includes what I believe is
a drawing of a house (top view?).  So I would interpret this as a house somewhere in the Golden Square Mile area with
a strong possibility of it being the club itself.  Google maps have an annoying cloud over a good chunk of this area but the
club is somewhat visible and (very) roughly resembles the drawing.

its not just the legeaters and gold squares.  Image 9 also holds the correct long/lat. numbers  45-46, 73-74.
sixer

Okay, so the leg-eater has been found… in Montreal.  I’m not quite seeing what is so compelling about this picture to connect it to St. Louis.
Isn’t it about time to re-consider the image/verse pairings here?

There is evidence in favor of both St. Louis and Montreal. Based only on possible interpretations of parts of P9 as numbers (latitudes and longitudes), and using
no other information
, I came up with a list including Atlantic City, Baltimore, NYC, Montreal, Washington, and part of Quebec City back in March. St. Louis is supported by only one number (the 39 on his forehead). The “number” in the flower
could
be a 90, but it’s not likely. Montreal, on the other hand, is supported by the 73 in his hair, the 74 in the X-box, and the number in the flower could be either 45 or 46; perhaps it is meant to be both.
In favor of St. Louis, we have the checkerboard pattern, which evokes the familiar Purina symbol. I seem to be the only one who sees St. Louis’ Gateway Arch over our man’s right (our left) eye. I see it as a representation of the Arch with the Mississippi flowing in front of it. Others have noted the resemblance of the neckline to rivers around St. Louis.
Complicating matters, there is a park in Montreal called Carre St. Louis.

Oh, and of course I forgot to mention the lamppost in Montreal!
Here’s a link to a summary I put together showing the evidence in favor of linking P9 with St. Louis. Some of it is now dated in light of recent discoveries.
http://www.geocities.com/quantpsy/trove/solution_9.jpg
Be sure to “expand the picture to regular size” manually if your browser isn’t set to do it automatically.

Pine_Tree

Little bit of a brainstorm question:
What’s Dutch about Montreal?

The association of image 9 to the Dutch seems to come from earlier discussion of the verse describing
the countries of origin for the Fair Folk.  The verse in question merely says ‘Lowlands’.  Let me suggest as
an alternative:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Lowlands. 
There was apparently a big Scottish
immigrant population in Montreal:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scots-Quebecer
, notably
including this guy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Ste … nt_Stephen
And, its a stretch, but could the hat in the picture be a Glengarry hat?

This is a bronze sculpture in the Hotel lobby of the Adams Mark Hotel
http://community.webshots.com/photo/553568000/2026506330096202026PPtULt
http://community.webshots.com/photo/553568000/2810346920096202026SkaHRn
This is a pic from a brochure . I think the detail is much better than my picture I took .
http://community.webshots.com/photo/553571669/2364044680096202026MtbOFF

I think this is what I have so far though with all this everywhere I may be forgettting to put on here what I have so far .  Thanks to you Forest . I couldn’t have done it without your help . It probably wouldn’t have taken up all this space at once either . I  haven’t found the Fays and Gnomes part yet . The Jewel part either except for the piece  I found and posted earlier on the fountain and the whispering arch . It did mention that union station is a Gem for it’s artwork or something along those lines . Not sure if it has meaning to this or not . I want honest feedback on this . Carol

Fox ,
Was there anything else you diagree with on this other than the BLOB. The  Bronze Statue of the 2 horses in The  Adams Mark Lobby does fit .  The carvings just on the horse above the  LEG when you are up close to it  DO MATCH the leg eater on the dress. I apologize for the picture as it is i did try and get as good as one as I could of it . I did have reservations before going to look at it that I was on the right path. It wasn’t til I was up close and looking at it that  I saw the head part of our leg eater. I would like to ask if Johann or Spinner could look and give their thoughts on this . Carol

speaking from experience, I kind of feel that you are forcing things in the area to fit.  kind of like saying this is our “blob”
when in fact it is just another fountain found in Albuquerque, NM.  the same plaza….has a checkered flooring and 2 archlike structures on the southern end.
.
The confirmers for both the Chicago find as well as the Cleveland find were EXACT!  As is the legeater found in Montreal.  We need to find an Exact…

ok, I kind of see the legeater on the statue but this is an exact match:
now if we can find another one of these, I will be sold.  I am not saying that this P is not S.L….because I think it is…I just think we need to be careful on our confirmers or what we believe to be our confirmers.  The Legeater is a good example.  It is hard to consider what “appears” to be similar found in horse statue when we have the exact match elsewhere.

Fox ,
I agree on the above being the exact match and I had given up on the Jewel being in St louis until I couldn’t get past the court house in the neck line of the dress . I started to look at the courthouse more and get away from the Jewel box . The jewel at the top of the courthouse really got me and the insignia at the Adams mark Hotel matching the petals on the flower . Then I saw the musical note on the flower from a google earth shot of Kiener plaza .

In 1981/2, all of the views of the treasure site,
as representred through the images, would be
at eye level.
I am very quick to dismiss goggle and satelllite
views of things that are not backed up by
ground level similarities.
I can see a reasonableness with the courthouse,
but everything else presented would not
have been available in the early eighties.
Question on this image:  What is the overall theme of the image?
Answer:                      Portrait.
Other images have had their overall theme lead to a general site type:
Milwaukee – Hiker/lawn bowling
Cleveland – Greek Culture/Mythology
Houston – Animal Totems/Sand
In the absence of a landmark to this image,
find the painting, find the jewel.

Trohn,
You could very well have seen these images from a room at the Adams mark  or any other of the Tall buildings you could look out a window from or the top of the  Arch , which is right in line with the court house and Kiener Plaza .

Yes, but I think the Adam’s Mark has a general policy
about digging holes in their carpets when you are sixty odd
stories up.

Carol, luv your enthusiasm.  Try not to get discouraged.  In case you haven’t noticed, this is one tuff puzzle and if you are onto something, follow through.  I need a little more convincing on your theories but I’m rooting for ya.  Your ideas are far better than some of the things I’ve posted.  Don’t believe me, stay tuned!
edit: trohn, pretty darn funny

The Adam’s Mark did not open until 1984; before that it was the Pierce Building.  I think that the horse sculpture did not arrive until the Adam’s Mark opened, but you could check with the hotel to confirm this.
If you like the court house for the neckline in the image, please also look at St. Joseph’s Oratory in Montreal:  www.flickr.com/photos/54008020@N00/156849609/.   Bigmattyh posted this picture earlier in the month.
Frishkie

Carol-
I came across this and it was too interesting to pass up….
http://stlouis.missouri.org/citygov/par … cript.html
Read about the ALOE Park.
Keep in mind “The
namesakes meeting
, near this site”
Let me know if this fountain is remarkable.

Trohn ,
Yes  This fountain sits out front of the entrance to Union Station. It is actually named  “The meeting of the Waters ” . It is in the park area   called the Gateway mall . The Gateway mall park area ends at 21st street right there along side of union station.
The whispering arch just inside the union station entrance I thought referred to the part where it says  the sounds of friends fills the afternoon hours , or it could mean all the traffic in union station. Also look at the grid work in the Train Shed . I think it resembles alot like our square that we took to be the hole 7 at forest park.

A plaque on the west side of the fountain says: “This fountain, the work of Carl Milles, symbolizes the union of the Mississippi and Missouri Rivers which occurs a few miles north of the City of St. Louis. These two mighty rivers in their power and beauty are represented by the two central figures. The accompanying water creatures are symbols of the many streams which contribute their riches to the major currents. The sculptures are embodiments of the freedom and primeval forge of the waterways of the Mississippi Valley in acordance with the man’s age old impulse to represent the powers of nature in human or animal form. ‘The Meeting of the Waters’ is conceived as a festival in which all these water forces are taking part.”

Frishke ,
I do also like the way the hands and the cuffs match the outline of the courthouse .

Here is a link to some photos:
http://www.art-stl.com/PublicArt.cfm?wh … +St.+Louis

Thanks Fox.
Boogie  I don’t know . You all are tough , but I’m game . Keeps me on my toes . I’ve not given up til I can find it here or it’s found in Montreal.  Until I see some action in Montral  I’ll stay convinced it’s here. Carol

dp12345

Sorry about the prior broken link.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1QYdcj7 … sp=sharing

Do you have an explanation for these photos? Pretty convincing just to be coincidence…
https://imgur.com/gallery/FnRb2Bo

Here is the solution for image 9, verse 7.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1QYdcj7
… sp=sharing

Sorry about the prior broken link.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1QYdcj7 … sp=sharing

fox

And they’re off!….again

Fox, you made me double over with this one!  Could almost hear the starting bells in that quote.

I obtained two sources on the Mount Stephen Club, but I couldn’t glean much information on our lamps. The house was built in 1880-1883 at great expense. The builder employed many skilled artisans and imported much material from Europe. It is not clear whether the lamps were made expressly for the house or were imported.
From
The Story of the Mount Stephen Club
(1967) by Leo Cox… “The architect was W. T. Thomas, an Englishman who practiced his profession in Montreal for some thirty years and was responsible for several other outstanding residences and business buildings of the time; he also designed St. George’s Church in Montreal. A prominent contemporary contractor, J. H. Hutchison, did the masonry and main construction; he also built the Queen’s Hotel, Windsor Hotel, and the Board of Trade, among other structures which still exist. The rich materials, windows and furnishings were all imported from many countries; a small army of carvers and craftsmen in wood and marble were brought from Europe. Together, on the spot, they created a masterpiece of interior decoration on a lavish scale which remains largely intact today.” In the late 1920s the house was remodeled as the Mouht Stephen Club, and we learn “Only the basement rooms, kitchens, facilities, and the original conservatory, have been changed and re-modelled to meet the requirements of a modern club.”
From
Mansions of the Golden Square Mile, Montreal, 1850-1930
(1987) by Francois Remillard… “The plans were by William Tutin Thomas, the most fashionable Montreal architect of the 1870s and 1880s. No other Montreal home had as extensive exterior and interior decoration as Lord Mount Stephen House. Nevertheless, the ornamentation does not overstep the limits of good taste. Montreal greystone is a hard material and it must have been quite difficult to fashion the decorative elements which adorn the facade. Fortunately, Thomas knew stone cutting quite well as he was taught the rudiments by his uncle, John Thomas (1813-1862). The latter was an architect and sculptor who had been commissioned by Sir Charles Barry to execute the sculptures and other decorations which cover the British Houses of Parliament, Westminster. This explains in part why the works of Thomas generally have more richly decorated exteriors than most other Montreal buildings of their time, and also why this architect was so popular with affluent Montrealers who wished to display their wealth in as obvious a way as possible.” Following that are several details about the interior and exterior of the house, but no mention of the lamps. There is also a larger version of the photograph from the Club’s website that made me doubt the lamps had always been there, but the photo definitely includes the lamps. It appears they were there from the beginning.

I obtained two sources on the Mount Stephen Club, but I couldn’t glean much information on our lamps. The house was built in 1880-1883 at great expense. The builder employed many skilled artisans and imported much material from Europe. It is not clear whether the lamps were made expressly for the house or were imported.
From
The Story of the Mount Stephen Club
(1967) by Leo Cox… “The
architect
was W. T. Thomas, an Englishman who practiced his profession in Montreal for some thirty years and was responsible for several other outstanding residences and business buildings of the time; he also designed St. George’s Church in Montreal. A prominent contemporary contractor, J. H. Hutchison, did the masonry and main construction; he also built the Queen’s Hotel, Windsor Hotel, and the Board of Trade, among other structures which still exist. The rich materials, windows and furnishings were all imported from many countries; a small army of carvers and craftsmen in wood and marble were brought from Europe. Together, on the spot, they created a masterpiece of interior decoration on a lavish scale which remains largely intact today.” In the late 1920s the house was remodeled as the Mouht Stephen Club, and we learn “Only the basement rooms, kitchens, facilities, and the original conservatory, have been changed and re-modelled to meet the requirements of a modern club.”
From
Mansions of the Golden Square Mile, Montreal, 1850-1930
(1987) by Francois Remillard… “The plans were by William Tutin Thomas, the most fashionable Montreal
architect
of the 1870s and 1880s. No other Montreal home had as extensive exterior and interior decoration as Lord Mount Stephen House. Nevertheless, the ornamentation does not overstep the limits of good taste. Montreal greystone is a hard material and it must have been quite difficult to fashion the decorative elements which adorn the facade. Fortunately, Thomas knew stone cutting quite well as he was taught the rudiments by his uncle, John Thomas (1813-1862). The latter was an
architect
and sculptor who had been commissioned by Sir Charles Barry to execute the sculptures and other decorations which cover the British Houses of Parliament, Westminster. This explains in part why the works of Thomas generally have more richly decorated exteriors than most other Montreal buildings of their time, and also why this
architect
was so popular with affluent Montrealers who wished to display their wealth in as obvious a way as possible.” Following that are several details about the interior and exterior of the house, but no mention of the lamps. There is also a larger version of the photograph from the Club’s website that made me doubt the lamps had always been there, but the photo definitely includes the lamps. It appears they were there from the beginning.

actually that looks just like the montreal 67 expologo to me

My apologies if I sounded harsh ex….what I’m trying to say is the things we have found in the pics have been pretty much exact (ie the dogleg in this pic).  I have always thought his collar is just a little off and wont be suprised if we find an exact match of a river, shoreline, park outline etc there.  Again, please forgive me for offending….was not my intention.

another thing you might have got out of the book
is in the litany of the jewels. The majority of the fay came from the east.
only one came from the west. (china)
it kind of indicates, the strong possibility there is only one “west coast” casque…
and I realize the boards are quite long at this point. Yet that is how we got here to this level of understanding. and you will find a bunch of people who have been here for the long haul are still around who have read them and remember writing most of them.
There were tons of posts, back and forth about legeater exact match vs legeater possibles and after much angst and gnashing of teeth the consensus pretty much came up without another exact match. you can’t get away from Legeater = montreal.
you also must remember we know for a fact there is one canadian casque, so if you are going to suggest it is not that image, which is it going to be.
If it is not montreal – the next best match is st louis – and its a really good match. so if you are going to suggest an alternative, It needs to be spot on, not just a how about or this is generally similar or If we bend over backwards we can think about it like this….
In the two found casques, there were ZERO Allusions, a total of no word plays-  and zip allegories.  So if there are some in the remaining casques I will go out on a limb and predict they might be there but arent necessary to solve the puzzles.

Well, again im not aware of ALL te information and not ALL of what is on these boards has sunk in even after two reads of some of it.  All those solid ideas may still have their weaknesses and i intend to be the atypical skeptic if it has any chance of casque discovery.
Thanks or putting up with me and speaking your minds.  This great unknown has many dividing assumptions imho.

I think Egbert and Johann were on to something.  There is a strong resemblance to Shylock and Egbert nailed the Harding reference in Vancouver.
More soon, just finished searching the forums and nobody has yet developed on those ideas.  I came at it from a Puck angle.  I noticed several mentions of a stone the blue color of midsummer…a clue from the books text to look to Shakespeare?  Also, Palencar hinting about elves being deceiving is a loud hint.
I’ve edited to show what it looks like when you put the heads and hands of the two statues together
The Robin Goodfellow / Leg eater comparison

I know how people are gonna dislike this mashup, but I couldn’t resist, the overhead view of the Harding memorial is definitely an element to be found in the blob…all I did is a little shuffling, like flip the bath, dragged the front facing image beneath the overhead and threw one of the side blocks with beast on the side.  And then I went crazy with the black spray can tool…and frankenblob is reborn.
Now on to the verse: using v10 has to be the way to go.  Maybe there is a way to tie in the Theater just to the south, it’s called the Theater Under the Stars and it customarily hosts two plays in Summer.  I see the theater has a nice V shape from overhead.

the legeater in montreal is an exact match
unless you got an exact match I think you are wasting your time.

I recognize the exact matchery in the leg eater, but the problem I have is that my interpretation is more a priori, stemming from the idea that the horned beast lunching on a leg comes from something archetypal which the maker of the lamp would’ve used in the lamps creation.
Pan, Faun, Satyr are all good prospects…perhaps even Prospero’s Caliban.  I say Puck only because of the way it riddles its way into the hockey idea of the Stanley Cup.  It’s late, and I’ve been staring at a map for a little while longer than usual and maybe I’m seeing something, maybe not…30 years, can do funny things to places…  Here’s no change of orientation or skewing involved, as is, with a few simple highlights in red:

I don’t see the relevence at all here.  Sure, the red lines kind of line up but I think that could be done with about any city, town, village, etc….  Your long, curving line really matches up with nothing on the map.  Now if it followed a shoreline exactly….maybe.  Some of your theories (in my opinion) are quite farfetched.  Random lines on maps, golf balls, boulders in small OR townships…..
It, at times, almost sounds like you are trying to steer us away from pretty darn solid ideas.

I can’t find any rebuttal or development on Egbert’s or Johann’s ideas in the forums for this Harding reference, so I thought I’d take a look and see what I could find based on maltedfalcon’s views (see Picture Path thread).
Here I started with the Harding memorial, but other than the hacked-blob it didn’t seem like an iconic image.  Looking for an iconic image I found Mitchell Island fits the hat outline to a fair degree when flipped upside down (not mirrored, just turned).  The business with the funky ragged curves on the top right part of the hat weren’t characteristic of Mitchell Island, but I found a beach along the path in the direction of Stanley Park where the Harding memorial is located that did fit in a rough way.  My eye can’t account for erosion but that is typical with coastlines and so let’s give it a good hard look.  I’m not sure, but maybe that’s the way the Picture Path is intended to work.  malted?
To be perfectly clear, only upside down 180 degree rotation is used here.  (The Terminal Tower in image 4 also used this idea)
Note: interesting to see the name Mitchell…
The path takes us right on up into Stanley Park and the casque just might be near the totem poles just past the Harding monument and Theater.  Rhapsodic man’s soil:  Lord Stanley threw his arms to the heavens, as though embracing within them the whole of one thousand acres of primeval forest, and dedicated it ‘to the use and enjoyment of peoples of all colours, creeds, and customs, for all time. I name thee, Stanley Park.’

fox

I don’t see the relevence at all here.  Sure, the red lines kind of line up but I think that could be done with about any city, town, village, etc….  Your long, curving line really matches up with nothing on the map.  Now if it followed a shoreline exactly….maybe.  Some of your theories (in my opinion) are quite farfetched.  Random lines on maps, golf balls, boulders in small OR townships…..
It, at times, almost sounds like you are trying to steer us away from pretty darn solid ideas.

I donno fox, you sure seem harsh.  Why try to misrepresent the situation?  Corbett is small, yet it’s on the Columbia River.  Do you think the Columbia River is too insignificant to this hunt?  There is a golf course adjacent to the Palace of the Legion of Honor…I’m sorry I can’t understand why you think golf balls can’t be represented as large white orbs in an artistic rendering.  Sam Hill’s monument might seem insignificant to you, but Alma Spreckles seemed to feel it was important to spend her money on the final 9 years needed to complete the Maryhill Museum and Stonehenge Monument.  What’s so wrong with having a go at understanding our nation’s history and what are these solid ideas that you speak of?  The “random line” is only meant to guide the eye, not meant to misrepresent anything.  The artist has done his own work to “steer” us from seeing what’s really there.  I’m simply and altruistically attempting to add ideas to the mix.
btw, the latitude of Stanley Park is 49 and what looks like a “73” in the hair could be a “23”.  Stanley Park is longitude 123.

well-I have read a lot of posts and figure i should inject an observation—-the fingers on this image have bothered me and thought i would look at them more closely–the two index fingers are crossed-that would be a “10” in roman numerials–the middle finger is a “C” if you turn  the page 90 degrees–that would be “100” in roman numerials–(the index fingers are still crossed)the 10 is before the 100 so subtracting 10 from 100 leaves 90 which is the longitude for st louis–i have been to forest park a lot as i live near there and can tell you that a LOT has changed in 20 years-I don’t think anything can be found there-but what do i know-i’ll keep trying

Blob.
Leg.
Just a couple considerations: leg definitly fits Montreal, blob then fits the Habitat to a degree better than anything else we’ve dedged up.  The thing that id like to consider now is why is the leg so big and the blob so small?  Also, if perceived in combination, since they share the same square, one thing is light and the other dark, leg and object seems like a “horse and cart” analogy, though the blob appears to not have wheels.
Thoughts?

erexere

Blob.
Leg.
Just a couple considerations: leg definitly fits Montreal, blob then fits the Habitat to a degree better than anything else we’ve dedged up.  The thing that id like to consider now is why is the leg so big and the blob so small?  Also, if perceived in combination, since they share the same square, one thing is light and the other dark, leg and object seems like a “horse and cart” analogy, though the blob appears to not have wheels.
Thoughts?

Well since you asked and you are not arguing for Toronto..
The Leg is either a “treasure ground” clue (like fence and fixture) or a “city clue” (like the Chicago water tower). I want to believe the blob is Habitat but it doesn’t match on the Habitat, notice the curved dome on the top with windows. What that blobs seems to be is an architectural design that looks similar to the houses of Golden Square mile. Look at some of the mansions of the area and you will notice these step looking
features on the top of this house. Many homes in the square mile have similar features and I believe that to be what we are looking for.

Thats great!  It certainly looks like an improvement over the Habitat.
Now, is it deemed reasonable to assume theres a specific reason to tie those two elements together?  Are you suggsting its just a square saying general features within the Golden Square Mile?

rookhunter

Well since you asked and you are not arguing for Toronto..
The Leg is either a “treasure ground” clue (like fence and fixture) or a “city clue” (like the Chicago water tower). I want to believe the blob is Habitat but it doesn’t match on the Habitat, notice the curved dome on the top with windows. What that blobs seems to be is an architectural design that looks similar to the houses of Golden Square mile. Look at some of the mansions of the area and you will notice these step looking
features on the top of this house. Many homes in the square mile have similar features and I believe that to be what we are looking for.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but that picture isn’t just a home in the Golden Square Mile, but that’s one of the buildings at the Royal Victoria Hospital. Agreed there are many similar homes as well, but since the hospital was funded and built by George Stephen who is also responsible for the leg eater, I find the hospital a compelling location, particularly if you match it up with verse 5. The hospital also has potential visual matches, such as the heraldic crests on the building and the image 9 collar. I’ve posted some thoughts before and would be happy to re-hash some of those ideas.
Also, if you look at the map of the golden square mile, you’ll notice that the hospital is on the “broken corner”, if you will, of the Golden Square Mile. I’ve thought this may be significant compared to how the leg eater in image 9 breaks out of the confines of the golden square.

erexere

Thats great!  It certainly looks like an improvement over the Habitat.
Now, is it deemed reasonable to assume theres a specific reason to tie those two elements together?  Are you suggsting its just a square saying general features within the Golden Square Mile?

Merlot Brougham

Correct me if I’m wrong, but that picture isn’t just a home in the Golden Square Mile, but that’s one of the buildings at the Royal Victoria Hospital. Agreed there are many similar homes as well, but since the hospital was funded and built by George Stephen who is also responsible for the leg eater, I find the hospital a compelling location, particularly if you match it up with verse 5. The hospital also has potential visual matches, such as the heraldic crests on the building and the image 9 collar. I’ve posted some thoughts before and would be happy to re-hash some of those ideas.
Also, if you look at the map of the golden square mile, you’ll notice that the hospital is on the “broken corner”, if you will, of the Golden Square Mile. I’ve thought this may be significant compared to how the leg eater in image 9 breaks out of the confines of the golden square.

I don’t think there is enough to say. They could be separate clues or linked somehow. I think we need to find a perfect match first.
Correct! Almost every building in the square mile seems to have been a mansion at one point. I like the hospital/McGill university area as a search area but like with every location the changes since the 80s are great. Have you seen anything else that matches the image? (I have read the 100+ pages but I don’t remember exactly).

erexere

Thats great!  It certainly looks like an improvement over the Habitat.

I’m thinking you are merging two different clues in this discussion. The upside down image reveals a 5-stepped pyramid, and the legeater box holds an irregular shape that has a couple of steps. The two are are very different. To say the blob is the top of a hospital building, you’d have to discount it looks nothing like it. While the hospital roof does look like the rooftop seen in the upside down image, the blob is a totally separate and distinct clue (maybe) at that point. I could go for the blob being habitat 67, but it is in no way a rooftop unless the house is jacked. And if your view is then that the hospital roof is the upside down image, the blob is then still unsolved.
And I’m sold on the upside down image being the rooftop of Trafalgar.

Thanks to Dan’s high-res pics, I was able to notice something in this picture.  Like many of the other pictures, this one also seems to have a geographic outline of something — it’s on the top right side of his hat, and can be seen very clear in the high res pic.
If you look at his hair, on the right side, you will see the number 73.  There also appears to be something else — the letter “C”?
On his cloak appears to be a dog, and then the leg of a horse (a “dogleg” is a sharp bend in a road).  His fingers are definitely indicating another clue, but I can’t figure out what it is indicating.  There is a musical note on the flower.

burnstyle

Bantam – Our book advised them to seek permission.

In a tip of the hat to Fenix, I will post the solution to this one in this thread, rather than making a
new
one. I will also work up a full solve PDF like I did for Boston, since for sake of brevity I’ve condensed this solution.
This puzzle for Montreal is elegant, and required a bit of research, also, heavy play on words in the verses:
Verse 5
1. Lane
2. Two twenty two
3. You’ll see an arc of lights
4. Weight and roots extended
Together saved the site
Of granite walls
5. Wind swept halls
6. Citadel in the night
7. A wingless bird ascended
Born of ancient dreams of flight
8. Beneath the only standing member
9. Of a forest
10. To the south
11. White stone closest
At twelve paces
From the west side
12. Get permission
To dig out.
Solution
1. Lane – this is meaningless without the location. We already know that Montreal is suspect from the coordinates and the shapes in Image 9. The hat, the face, etc. match geographical features in Montreal.
2. Two twenty two – physical address of racetrack with Lanes. Okay now we have a location.
3. You’ll see an arc of lights – most likely the Biosphere or Montreal itself.
4. Weight and roots extended
Together saved the site
Of granite walls – This is George Stephen House located at 1440 Drummond Street. Visual confirmation is the leg eater in the Image. It was going to be torn down, then made into a landmark. This moves you into the city.
5. Wind swept halls – This refers to the Beaver Hall Group and Group of Seven Canadian artists. They formed in the 1920s at 305 Beaver Hall Hill. Google them, they are known for wind swept landscapes. Some of their art is at the Fine Arts Museum. Also landing you in the city.
6. Citadel in the night – Refers to the Royal Victoria Hospital. The place looks like a Citadel, and was designed with multi-story, open-plan “Nightingale wards” were joined by bridges. George Stephen fund the construction of the Hospital. It is in Mount Royal Park.
7. A wingless bird ascended
Born of ancient dreams of flight – This clue is out of order, but does refer to the first passenger balloon flight by Eugene Godard in 1856. The gondola and other items were display at Bonsecours Market prior to the launch.
8. Beneath the only standing member – The Cross on Mount Royal. There was actually another cross called the reclining Cross. Big controversy. Also, many times when displayed, the cross is represented with three crosses. This one is alone.
9. Of a forest – not sure if this line goes with number 8, or is just an indication that we are looking in a forest.
10. To the south – south side of the cross.
11. White stone closest
At twelve paces
From the west side – count twelve paces from the west side of cross in a southernly direction.
12. Get permission
To dig out. – You are standing in front of the electrical panel for the cross lighting system, which is sitting on a concrete slab. Get permission from the officials to dig the casque.
Now, since it is difficult to link images in this forum, I have to put together a PDF with the complete walk through, however I’ll put some notes here.
A few things lead you to the cross. One is the Monk’s hands. “Here is the Church, here is the steeple”, plus a cross. Also, the runes on the monk’s chest stand for Joy and Waterfall. There is a pleasant little waterfall that you can follow up the mountain, via a staircase. What the symbols are also, is the Chi-Ro aka Symbol of Christ. Manipulate them and you’ll see it. There is a big X as well in case there was any doubt.
Below the monk’s collar is a square ladder pattern that matches the facades on the Hospital. So we have a progression from Notre Dame Island to Saint Helen’s Island to Montreal proper. Then we move toward Mount Royal, making our way up to the Cross, which is a huge landmark. Along the way we can also pass Mount Royal Chalet, which could also be considered to have wind swept halls.
Here is a link to the spot. The casque should be very close to the electrical panel you can see:
https://www.google.com/maps/@45.5087617 … 312!8i6656
One word of caution, the lighting system was recently updated. They may have had to dig, but judging from the box, it looks like they reused the box from an earlier installation. Also, knowing Canadians, if someone found something buried, it is in someone’s office waiting to be claimed. They are so polite up there.

In a tip of the hat to Fenix, I will post the solution to this one in this thread, rather than making a new one. I will also work up a full solve PDF like I did for Boston, since for sake of brevity I’ve condensed this solution.
This puzzle for Montreal is elegant, and required a bit of research, also, heavy play on words in the verses:
Verse 5
1. Lane
2. Two twenty two
3. You’ll see an arc of lights
4. Weight and roots extended
Together saved the site
Of granite walls
5. Wind swept halls
6. Citadel in the night
7. A wingless bird ascended
Born of ancient dreams of flight
8. Beneath the only standing member
9. Of a forest
10. To the south
11. White stone closest
At twelve paces
From the west side
12. Get permission
To dig out.
Solution
1. Lane – this is meaningless without the location. We already know that Montreal is suspect from the coordinates and the shapes in Image 9. The hat, the face, etc. match geographical features in Montreal.
2. Two twenty two – physical address of racetrack with Lanes. Okay now we have a location.
3. You’ll see an arc of lights – most likely the Biosphere or Montreal itself.
4. Weight and roots extended
Together saved the site
Of granite walls – This is George Stephen House located at 1440 Drummond Street. Visual confirmation is the leg eater in the Image. It was going to be torn down, then made into a landmark. This moves you into the city.
5. Wind swept halls – This refers to the Beaver Hall Group and Group of Seven Canadian artists. They formed in the 1920s at 305 Beaver Hall Hill. Google them, they are known for wind swept landscapes. Some of their art is at the Fine Arts Museum. Also landing you in the city.
6. Citadel in the night – Refers to the Royal Victoria Hospital. The place looks like a Citadel, and was designed with multi-story, open-plan “Nightingale wards” were joined by bridges. George Stephen fund the construction of the Hospital. It is in Mount Royal Park.
7. A wingless bird ascended
Born of ancient dreams of flight – This clue is out of order, but does refer to the first passenger balloon flight by Eugene Godard in 1856. The gondola and other items were display at Bonsecours Market prior to the launch.
8. Beneath the only standing member – The Cross on Mount Royal. There was actually another cross called the reclining Cross. Big controversy. Also, many times when displayed, the cross is represented with three crosses. This one is alone.
9. Of a forest – not sure if this line goes with number 8, or is just an indication that we are looking in a forest.
10. To the south – south side of the cross.
11. White stone closest
At twelve paces
From the west side – count twelve paces from the west side of cross in a southernly direction.
12. Get permission
To dig out. – You are standing in front of the electrical panel for the cross lighting system, which is sitting on a concrete slab. Get permission from the officials to dig the casque.
Now, since it is difficult to link images in this forum, I have to put together a PDF with the complete walk through, however I’ll put some notes here.
A few things lead you to the cross. One is the Monk’s hands. “Here is the Church, here is the steeple”, plus a cross. Also, the runes on the monk’s chest stand for Joy and Waterfall. There is a pleasant little waterfall that you can follow up the mountain, via a staircase. What the symbols are also, is the Chi-Ro aka Symbol of Christ. Manipulate them and you’ll see it. There is a big X as well in case there was any doubt.
Below the monk’s collar is a square ladder pattern that matches the facades on the Hospital. So we have a progression from Notre Dame Island to Saint Helen’s Island to Montreal proper. Then we move toward Mount Royal, making our way up to the Cross, which is a huge landmark. Along the way we can also pass Mount Royal Chalet, which could also be considered to have wind swept halls.
Here is a link to the spot. The casque should be very close to the electrical panel you can see:
https://www.google.com/maps/@45.5087617 … 312!8i6656
One word of caution, the lighting system was recently updated. They may have had to dig, but judging from the box, it looks like they reused the box from an earlier installation. Also, knowing Canadians, if someone found something buried, it is in someone’s office waiting to be claimed. They are so polite up there.

That would be a hard clue to follow to the site, but a possibility.

The fountain looked nothing like the ‘thing’.  Simple basin with cherrubs takin a leak in it.

I have played around with the idea of the fountain being the one at the World’s Fair Pavilion or the one inside the Jewel Box atop a somewhat spiraled staircase, but I think I was reaching.

erexere

Oh wow, so thats what youve been calling the Jockey….all this time I thought you were talking about image 7.
I need help seeing how that looks like a jockey on horse.  Got any pics?

Eric-
Something you may have missed by being relatively new to this…
The hands on the picture form a double steeple – the back one even forming a cross. (like in the children’s nursery rhyme
about seeing the church and the people).
The  other view which may be seeing what one wants (but highly plausible) is the back fingers form a cross to mean ‘Church’ while the front bent finger is in the form of a hill to mean ‘Hill’.

Here are some pictures of Dorchester Square and the Mount Stephen Club:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/77675376@N00/sets/72157594560255100/
(Sorry this took so long – it was freezing cold in Montreal and I didn’t want to venture outside lest my ears fall off.)

The base of that lamp-post is still hard to argue against.  It is exact.

Yeah… Exact for sure.  But is anyone sure what it is that is doing the eating, and what has been consumed so far, at least down to the knee?  Wonderering what it actually symbolizes.

JoshCornell1

i will dig my spot and my spot alone…get fenix to dig your spot for you. i like you. but im still not gonna dig where i know the treasure is not.

so…another empty hole? NIIIICE

Harley Quinn

The fleur-de-lis may not have been removed because of legal matters but BP may have requested it to be removed. The casque may not been buried there and he didn’t want two visual clues for one spot.

Now that is an interesting point. I had always thought that the fdl was blotted out because it too obviously pointed to either Quebec or New Orleans. But there is a good argument that BP didn’t bury at the club and realized that 2 visuals for a dead end was a bad idea.

Unknown

Unknown:
IDR who had the catalog  #,or even if this is the right year catalog
copy has copyright stamp dated 1875
Download and read  “Illustrated Catalogue And Price List” by J. W. Fiske Iron Works
sorry not so good a copy for free read,
read now
http://www.onread.com/reader/584668
download
http://www.onread.com/book/Illustrated- … ist-584668

a much better copy i didnt see a legeater, 2nd link lets you choose how you want to read it
http://www.archive.org/stream/illustrat … 2/mode/2up
http://www.archive.org/details/illustratedcatal00jwfi
a list of
illustrated catalogue jw fiske
http://tinyurl.com/4swdb8w
my original post

WhiteRabbit

Only three stand watch

Of the 9 figures on the statue, which 3 are standing watch?

Well…yeah, you spotted the weak link…
It’s somewhere close by though, I reckon. Maybe Place Ville-Marie, or Dorchester Square. Currently looking for the crooked collar, and the black blob on the legeater.

R: You made my day.
I’ve been thinking aboot that fleur-de-lis for a couple days now. I have no strong opinion to offer. It could be a generic item. It could be a specific visual. It could be redacted to avoid confusion with the French themed puzzle. Whatever the case, we still have no idea what that blob is really all aboot.
Carry on.

I am not kidding about the Pac-Man connection.  In 1980 the during the arcade game’s introduction to the US from Japan, the name would’ve been “Puck-Man” but had been altered to “Pac-Man” to avoid vandalism on the first letter.  Obvious?  Heh.
The CP Rail logo was then nicknamed the “Pac-Man rail” because of how it looked like the pac-man game icon.
At this point, I think BP brought forth an extra heavy layer of Puck references.  How he even came up with the Leg Eater to do this amazes me.  How I came to this conclusion amazes me.  I’m going to give thrasher credit…he mentioned Pac-Man somewhere recently.
In summary:  pac-man arcade game = puck man, puck = Shakespeare’s Midsummer Night’s Dream = leg eater lamp base of Stephens of “Pac-Man” CP Rail in Montreal extending to Vancouver’s Stanley Park which refers to the puck of Hockey ala Stanley Cup and then the drought pieces of a giant checkerboard that look suspiciously like what?  Pucks.

In the words of Sigmund Freud.
Sometimes a pipe is just a pipe.

maltedfalcon

In the words of Sigmund Freud.
Sometimes a pipe is just a pipe.

In the words of Brick Tamland.
I love lamp.

erexere

Ive been rethinkin an thinkin some more on the Leg Eater.
George Stephen partnered with Donald Smith, James Jerome Hill, and Norman Kittson to purchase the near-bankrupt St. Paul and Pacific Railroad in Minnesota in the United States. They turned the business around, restoring profitability and expanding its lines. Renamed the St. Paul, Minneapolis and Manitoba Railway, Stephen and his partners then sold it out for an enormous profit. So successful were he and his partnership that they won a contract with the Government of Canada to build the
Canadian Pacific Railway
.

the leg eater is a great confirmer…for a leg. It helps us connect the railroad in a very playful game of PAC-Man in search of hockey pucks.

fox

In a nutshell…
1.  He found a place he would like to hide a casque
2.  He photographed things “around” said location
3.  He gave these photos to JJP who in turn (with NO knowledge of where these pics were  OR what the verses said) painted the images
4.  He came up with the verses.

I think the first thing BP did was to research the history of nutshells and sketch a few ideas…when he realized that was no fun and his stick figure art sucked, he then bought a camera and hired an artist.
He certainly was sharp at putting ideas to work in his constructions.  Chicago had some creativity to it, but Cleveland looks nearly mundane by comparison.  I’m frustrated when I see image 4 continues to be seen as the standard.  BP engineered more of his keen ability into the remaining work.  I think he used image 4 as a teaser and humored JJP with it.

I tend to agree. Comparing image 5 to image 3, say, it’s clear that one is stuffed with blatant image matches and the other simply isn’t. If you ask me, 4 and 5 were solved first because they were the easiest.

You guys could be totally correct.
It is totally possible that the easy ones were found first.
BP did say some were definitely easier then others.
But I see absolutely nothing that shows they weren’t all created/hidden using the same method.
Its easily testable  though, find one using none of the methodology used in the two found casques
I will continue to search for a casque using only methods I observe in the two found casques.

It’s a nobel and disciplined role that you play, Maltedfalcon.  The test is to find.  I’m sporting my own take on things and its not in any way an objection to your method.  I’m just an impatient person in search of answers.  Right now I’m in uneasy territory and I feel like its only a gamble without personally being on site.  I would love to get a closer look at any of these sites…except for St. Augustine…I am steadfast on Corbett after careful first hand inspection.

IMHO, the “legeater” wouldn’t be something to get us to Montreal – it’s not a landmark such as the Terminal Tower in Cleveland.  I would think it would be close to the casque site, similar to the columns/pillars/posts and fountain in the Greek Gardens in Cleveland.  Just my $.02.

fox

I have since emailed the McCord Museum and will let you know what they say.

AS PROMISED!
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Dear Mr Fox,
I transferred your query to our senior archivist in photography, Mrs Nora Hague (35 years in the Notman Archives), and here is her reply.
« 1 – Yes, the lamp posts were probably made exclusively for George Stephen, Lord Mount Stephen, and were probably part of the design of his sumptuous residence on Drummond, which is now the Mount Stephen Club. They are shown in their original position and style in II-135035 and II-135036, and after the addition of the iron fence with the fleurs-de-lys in II-147451 and II-147452. The posts are still there in the 1930-40 period, see VIEW-25493. The house became a club in 1926 to protect it from demolition..
2 – I have never seen that style of lamp post in any other photograph of other parts of town. Many of the Notman images show the normal style of city lamp posts, both gas and electric, and the style is far more simple (and therefore cheaper) than any custom lamp posts made for private proprietors. See MP-0000.2840, VIEW-1993.0, I-36260.1, II-99057, MP-0000.867.2, and I-10497. II-156039, VIEW-1153.0 and MP-0000.1452.29 show a different style of lamp post, and MP-0000.2906 shows a pair of more ornate lamp posts which were probably custom-made for the proprietors of the building behind them.
3 –  Even with the normal city lamp posts, it was possible to have your company name lettered on the glass, as the lamp post in front of Notman’s studio was so embellished in the 1890s. Quite often the lamp posts on the corners of streets had the names of the streets on the glass, see II-89274 for a good example of a city street light on the corner of Sherbrooke and Mountain. It was also possible to put your advertisment on the lamps, see N-0000.193.28.2, and II-103256.
4 – The architect of George Stephen’s house was William Tutin Thomas and it was built by a well-known local contractor, J.F. Hutchison. Perhaps one of the architectural archives here in Montreal (CCA or CAC McGill) has Tutin’s files, and maybe the plans for the house. »
All the numbers she is referring to are entries on our web site:
www.musee-mccord.qc.ca
About the iconography of the lamppost base, it seems to refer to the Chimaera: that mythological creature that has a lion’s head, goat’s body and dragon’s tail. I would say that the figure of the base shows an interpretation of that monster, which acquires here the role of guardian of the house.
Moreover, as there was no bronze factory in Canada in these years, the base has probably been cast in Long Island, NY.
Hope it is helpful.
Best regards.
Hélène Samson
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I find this ‘most’ interesting.  A one of a kind lamppost specific to the Club?  wow.  I also find her very last line interesting…relating back to a possible linking of all the puzzles together.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chimera_(mythology
)

This is most helpful, fox. Good job!

Thanks FB.  I have since sent an email to the CAC as suggested in Helene’s reply and once again, promise to post their reply as soon as I get it.
Is looking more and more like Montreal IS a casque location…

I would like to propose that we now call Fox, Sir Fox!!  A little premature perhaps, but awesome work!

… also interesting in a noted sort of fashion, page 129 in the book has a chimera(sp.) as referred to the iconic critter of the lamp base by the authority that wrote the letter. just an observation. Nice work Fox!