great pictures xlurker!
and yeah, is that x on the road to mont royal?
and your idea with the blob is a lot better than mine, i just see ziggy or a weeble in a tank.

ahhh, the arched eyebrow!

My point exactly. What better place to hide an arch? And nothing says “St. Louis” like the Gateway Arch.

Since I can’t seem to post an image any more:
http://www.fidnet.com/~debbil/TheSecret.html

xlurker – can you tell us where you found the building with the “x”?

cant argue with an arch

FB,
The X is part of a fence on the Loyola campus of Concordia if I remember right. I can find it again on google 3d when I get home if you wish.
I am home now:
http://www.panoramio.com/photo/3075658
It faces Sherbrooke. Loyola Chapel.

I concur (which would jinx it)
Keep in mind when linking clues to locations,
that we know that he buried these, not just
simply opened a bank box and threw it in.
I use the concentric circle approach when I want to
investigate a likey open green space.

Carol, we each seem to have gotten different answers from the Adam’s Mark.  They told me 1984 and Emporis seems to confirm this:  “The Pierce Building was refurbished, given a modern facade, and an addition in 1984, reopening as the Adam’s Mark Hotel”
http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/bu/?id=127182
.  I believe that the St. Louis Adam’s Mark was the first one and I’m curious whether they inherited the horse statue there and decided to make it a signature for their later hotels.  Please let us know what you find out.

Frishkie ,
You posted before that the Adams Mark didn’t open til 1984. I was not sure of that and a little down on it since the Bronze Statue in the Lobby is our Leg eater . I  called the sdams Mark today and spoke With Management there . I told them I was curious on the Horse Statue in the Lobby and how long it had been there . He told me since the Hotel opened  in 1968. He said the Bronze statue is their Trademark for all their Hotels . I  WILL get a better picture of the horse on Monday as that’s when I’m headed back to find my portrait for TROHN.

Frishkiie ,
I will dig further . I know it has been here since before then as I recall different people from school using it after  prom and that was before 84 .  I do know that the same pattern is on both sides of the horse and I did take the wrong side so the leg would match on the other side that is not turned the other way .  I will get the right side on Monday . I don’t see why the interest as you all have already decided it is not the horse . I’m  working on it though . carol

Fenix , TROHN , & Fox ,
Thanks for keeping me  correctly on the right path . I  want to say that not all these are inside of buildings .  The courthouse is very much outside . I think he was taking us on a little walk down the Gateway Mall and this is what was on the way before he buried the treasure . The fountain in front of the union station is outside and so is  Musical note on her dress , Which I posted . It was at Kiener Plaza Behind The courthouse . The Adama mark Symbol is outside the Hotel . Etc. The only thing inside so far is the jewel I showed you and The  GATE .  My thoughts on the  Gateway mall  area It runs from end to end , ending at 21st street . All of this is in that area . Now there are 15 sections of the Gateway mall area .

I don’t see why everyone was so  willing to except , me included , the musical note on the flower as the Hockey team Logo when it wasn’t an  EXACT match and could not be seen from the Jewlel box , maybe at the time it was outside the checkerdome , but still not EXACT . The checkers on the dress are Black and Gold and the Purina Symbol is Red and White , again not EXACT . I did find an EXACT of our musical note at  Kiener Plaza and the Tiles in the courthouse are an  EXACT match to the dress . The other tie in to the Namessakes meeteing would be the 3 sisters facing the Fountaian outside union station . These are at the entrane way to union station named San Francisco , St. Louis , &  New York.  How about this for the Checkers , It is outside
http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/553671797/2312088140096202026csbfht
Now if you are looking at this you’ll see the Park blocks going down . This is the Gateway Mall . It runs all the way to Union Station . There are 15  of these little PARK squares and  streets in between . I believe this is the  15 rows to down to the ground. The first in front of the across from the Adams Mark is Federal .
Trohn , I did want to say that the Musical note in Kiener Plaza  can bee see from the ground . You don’t have to have an aerial view and I will get a picture of it to post on monday .

Here’s The closest to the area i acn get til Monday when I get the right side of the horse for Fox with the foot going the right way ,. it is the exact same carving on both sides . This is just the best side because of the lighting . That’s why I only took this side when I took pictures on my camera .
http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/553671797/2748180040096202026UlvedH

I don’t know if this is significant,  but I googled “Montreal p7”  (I got p7 from the X box).  I got the Stewart Museum, parking lot 7, near the old fort.  This museum deals with the exploration and coloniziation of Canada.  It was opened in 1955.  There are pictures of people dressed up as French soldiers.  Their uniforms have areas of red and white checks.
I can’t find many pictures of the grounds of the area, but I am still working on it.
Okie

I agree with Fenix.  Until another legeater is found in the US, I would have to say that MTL holds our legeater.  There is no..similarity…there, it is an exact match.  The bronze horse in STL looks similar, although the leg is bent the wrong way.  We cant overlook these things.
I too am beginning to think that our “X” will also be an exact visual.  Not just the crossing slats on a gate, nor the crossing planks on a lattace, etc… we can find crosses ANYWHERE.  we need to find THAT cross…EXACT.

Hope I’m not repeating other posts.  I’ve tried to read them all, but there is so much.  Anyway, between Ile Notre-Dame and Ile ste Helene there is a Cosmos bridge.  Cosmos are purple daisies, like the one on the left chest of the person in the picture.
Okie

The flower in the picture is a calendula, or common marigold. It’s the birthflower of October.

Common?  Indeed…
http://www.farmvet.com/store/product_li … &cat1=1034

I do not think the casque is burried on the golf course. It would have been too hard to get on and off without getting caught even in the middle of the night. I do however think the casque is someplace in Forest Park. All of the clues except the dog leg point to St. Louis and Forest Park. Their is a good chance that the dog leg represents the golf course. Prehaps not as the casque’s location but that the casque is in the area of the golf course or as another confirmer of Forest Park.

scottrocks7

I do not think the casque is burried on the golf course. It would have been too hard to get on and off without getting caught even in the middle of the night. I do however think the casque is someplace in Forest Park. All of the clues except the dog leg point to St. Louis and Forest Park. Their is a good chance that the dog leg represents the golf course. Prehaps not as the casque’s location but that the casque is in the area of the golf course or as another confirmer of Forest Park.

If you shall post, we shall read, and try to help one way or another.  Make sure you catch up on all the research already done and take what you want from it.  I’ve tried matching V5 to it with no luck AGAIN!  Pick a verse and run, just don’t be afraid of criticism.

I clicked around on the Forest Park web sight and found that a golf corse is part of the park. This could exsplain the dogleg. If we can confirm this is St. Louis things will realy fall into place.

We had someone digging at that course a few years back.  Check out the threads.

BINGO

Do you have an explanation for these photos? Pretty convincing just to be coincidence…
https://imgur.com/gallery/FnRb2Bo

After reviewing a lot of the content in these threads, yesterday I stopped by the Gateway Arch National Park and walked around the Arch grounds as well as the Old Courthouse and obviously no sign of a “leg eater”. However, something has been bothering me about that image for some time now. Why did he change the face to look more like a fox/dog and why does part of the horse leg extend outside the box? It seems that in all cases, Preiss obscured his true intent with other more obvious images (e.g. In the Chicago find, the windmill had a similar architecture to the watertower and the image of the fairy was actually similar to the sculpture in the park). Additionally, he used street coordinates to help identify an exact location (e.g. “and to Congress R is known”). I’m not convinced that the “leg eater” is intended to represent an actual “leg eater”. It is an extremely obscure Italian design. Don’t get me wrong, I’m sure JJP and/or Preiss had visited Montreal or Italy to see this type of Italian Renaissance detail and likely used it to further challenge readers to solve the puzzle. As I walked across the street yesterday, I noticed that the Old Courthouse is located at the corner of Chestnut and Broadway. It just so happens that one of the most famous landmarks in St. Louis is The Fabulous Fox theater which opened in 1929 and is known for being ‘The best of broadway’. Not so coincidentally the only piece of the horse leg inside the box is the hock which appears to have a mark on it. It may look like a crease, but look closely, it doesn’t extend to the rear of the hock. These marks are referred to as “chestnuts”. The remainder of the leg extending outside the box is to show the reader that the leg is that of a horse, and it helps to form the bootheel of Missouri in the black negative space. However, the clues are INSIDE the boxes. I think he was trying to put readers where Broadway meets Chestnut, which is the location of The Old Courthouse. I know this sounds like a stretch, but it seemed that he loved to use hidden coordinates, and this certainly would explain why the boxes exist. Also, it goes without saying that the fleur-de-lis is the official symbol of St. Louis, as it is even present on the city’s flag. Again, just another theory, but pretty plausible.

Trohn, If we cant laugh at ALL of this, I’ll quit.  And… for the record, I believe you to be better at this than me.

boogieman

Trohn, If we cant laugh at ALL of this, I’ll quit.  And… for the record, I believe you to be better at this than me.

Working on an almost thirty year treasure hunt where we are sure that
the proposed sites have almost surelybeen compromised and the only
verfied solutions have been lost by someone who is no longer with us
and the only people with any unverfied knowledge are bound by a deadman’s
oath not to reveal anything even if it is not relevant and the only
reason we are involved is due to trechnology that wasn’t even thought of when the
treasures were hidden AND the treasures are not really worth the price of finding then
and the only way we can even get involved is by buying used books from other
treasures hunters who have given up and trying to recoup some lost expenses and pride!
If we are not laughing at our lot in all of this, we must be as crazy as the people who are
watching over our shoulders and just not getting the point!

You have a way of putting things into perspective! Now, er um… on with the hunt!

Having a brain stroke BS?

Choice

Having a brain stroke BS?

dp12345

Sorry about the prior broken link.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1QYdcj7 … sp=sharing

You didn’t see this?

Now it makes sense. In comparison makes my opera house look good!

Well shit… I’m convinced.
Let’s go to St. Louis!

Check out this door knocker. I watched a documentary about Tutankhamun on DiscoveryChannel when i spotted this:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/andrewbateman/16617374/
Maybe a door knocker like this is near the place where casque #9 is hidden?
Edit: After seeing the legeater lamppost picture on page 32 of this thread, i retract this. that lamppost base is an exact match.

well I am considering verse 10 at the moment because I found a place in the mount royal park with 22 steps and there is an isle of b to the north.
http://www.panoramio.com/user/130886

wk

This is where the clue for Montreal seems to have started.
I notice that Drummond St leads to the Mount Royal Park.

To be fair, Montreal was a suggestion in the mix prior to the discovery of the legeater due to the numbers in the image (which would also need to be reconciled with any alternate theories).
I’m on record being a Verse 5 guy for this image, but in light of the rumblings in the image 11 thread, mentions of Drummond street and Mount Royal, I’ll throw this out there for those not convinced that Verse 8 belongs in Milwaukee:
A bit of a stretch, but what if “beating of the world” in verse 8 is a reference to Drummond? Monde being the French word for “world”, and Drum being, well, a drum. Which one would beat.  Combine the two into Drummond and you would get “the beating of the world” without much in the line of convoluted mental gymnastics to get there.
In order for that to work, I suppose you’d have to use the Mount Stephen Club (legeater) as the starting point and figure out what that area has to do with “Three stories of Mitchell” that would fit better than it does in Milwaukee. Not to mention the other items that do seem to link Verse 8 to Milwaukee, but it’s a thought…

SR,
I don’t  agree this V matching this  P ,  but  have been curious as to why you omit the  Arch as the Grey Giant ?

I never thought of the Arch being the gray giant but most of the land around the Arch was federal land. It is not likely he would risk sneaking on thoes lands to try to burry a casque.

ONCE AGAIN, WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO FOREST PARK??? The clues in the P seemed pretty solid to me.  Except I still don’t understand how “fifteen rows down to the ground” refers to the rose clock.

2fast4u2c

Don’t know if any of this has been mentioned before.  I’ve tried to read as much of the post here and on tweleve as possible to catch up on all of the theories.
St Joseph’s Oratory and/or several of the cathedrals in the Mont Royal area could fit the dome shaped collar outline.  The waterway is a close match to the white collar (right side).  I think I came across something that the Bank of Montreal is famous for checkerboard marble floor?
Has there been any discussion of the shape of the mouth?  Half smile, half frown.

The Bank of Montreal does indeed have a checkerboard floor….but how many other places must also have one? I’m not loving the match on the collar either. Not to say it has to be every-square-inch exact, but it seems more off than that to me.
I do like the idea that the smile/frown is tragedy/comedy. That would suggest a theatre. Perhaps an amphitheatre, or outdoor venue?
The shape of the hat suggests it, as do the “tiers” of the collar–like bleacher seats. A stadium/concert place?
ck

Way to go, Spinner!!!

Ravel, would it be possible to get some close up pics of the statues, monuments, streetlights, etc. from Square Dorchester-Place du Canada and/or any thing that is inscribed on them?  Two blocks from the club puts you 4 from the park or right at it?

Sounds like fun!  Good luck and
Merci
.

I’m going to go with Fenix on this having been in Montreal many times. The theory taking you from Parc Jean Drapeau to the top of Mont Royal is definitely taking a round about way and would take multiple hours if you did it in a straight line, it seems out of sorts with the other locations that have most of their clues in a reasonable walking distance.
As previously noted the Biosphere didn’t have any lights in the early 1980s.
As for the race track it was just called Grand Prix du Canada or Circuit de l’Ile Notre Dame back then and probably didn’t have a street number at the time or if it did it wasn’t widely known and wasn’t even on the tickets or programs of the race for the time period in question. Even today if you didn’t have Google and Google Maps you would be hard pressed to find the address.
Another note to a previous theory about the white stone near the southern tip of Ile Ste Helene, I contacted the PJD administration and they confirmed that this section of the park was remodelled in the early 90s to create the belvedere/look-off, cycling track and they also added the “Rose des Vents” to the site, so if the casque was there it, it probably isn’t there anymore.

gManTexas

As promised, here is the link to the PDF that I put together with my proposed solution to Image 9 and Verse 5.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/3uzw1tyt02bau … l.pdf?dl=0
If you have questions, feel free to post them here or PM me.
gManTexas

This was well detailed and worth my time. Organized and visual. Do you have something showing either the location of all these landmarks in relation to each other or a path from the starting point to the dig spot?

drunknerds

This was well detailed and worth my time. Organized and visual. Do you have something showing either the location of all these landmarks in relation to each other or a path from the starting point to the dig spot?

Thanks drunknerds.
I put together a map. Once you get to the steps at Rue Peel, you follow the waterfall. Then you have to follow some trails, but eventually you get to the giant cross on top of the mountain. Here is the link for the map:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/u5r9ahzk82wdr … l.png?dl=0
Walking looks like about 3 hours total. I’ll assume that meandering and whatnot, plus lunch would make it a full day of sightseeing.

Fenix

Your proposal seems a bit spread out. The verse for both Cleveland and Chicago was much more reigned in. The fact that you are walking over bridges between islands, through the old port, then downtown, up 500 stairs to get to Mount Royal, and finally ascending to the peak with zero instructions to do so along the way is what gets me.
I like the mapping a lot though. I think this is very important step for anybody that has a theory. They quickly point out flaws in our approach.

Fenix, you are in Montreal aren’t you? Once the ground thaws, maybe you could go check. In the meantime, perhaps make contact with the park dept and secure permission to dig.
I don’t agree with zero instructions. There are signs along the path and many people hike up the mountain specifically for the cross. If you have made a determination that the cross is important, you can see if from the city, especially when it’s lit up, asking someone if you can hike to it is a natural question. I’ve been to Montreal many times.
Once you are actually in the park, the distance is not that great.

I’m sorry, I must have missed the passage in the book that defines the limits of distance traveled and amount of exertion required to find a casque.

Fenix

Good one…I only point out that you did some nice google searches and plotted them on the map which you labeled as a solution That game has become all too familiar here. In reality, we need to be able to connect the dots. Look at the path in Chicago and Cleveland…look at the instructions in the Milwaukee verse. How does distance correlate to the verse lines and how do the verses change as there is more distance to cover?
You choose to argue that you did connect the dots and 5 miles between lines of the verse is alright because BP didn’t set parameters. Sorry, I’m not buying that bs.

I didn’t post the proposed, operative word is proposed, solution to get in an argument with you or anyone else. I posted what I believe is a well thought-out analysis of the Image and Verse. If you read the whole PDF, I state that until the casque is found, this is only a proposal. My intent is not to go to Montreal, I just can’t see the value in traveling from Texas. More important, in the spirit of sharing and collaborating, I’m hoping that someone does investigate it and can gain some value from what I researched. I am under the impression that this is what this forum is for, people sharing ideas, even if they are not in the city where a casque is buried. I could have gone to the library and researched, the internet just happens to be more convenient and faster.
Since you think the extended solution is BS, I’ll offer this: I stand by the original solve because it seems that BP wanted people to explore, but I’ll offer this alternative to streamline the trip.
If we wanted an abbreviated solution, driving on Route 112 we can past the racetrack and see the biosphere lit up from the bridge over the St. Lawrence River. Follow that through Griffintown where the hot air balloon took off from. This dumps you on Rue Peel. You pass by the area where the rented crash pad used to sit for the Beaver Hall Hill group, near the Granite Sunlife building. This puts you in the area of Mount Stephen Club, with the leg eater. From there we follow Rue Peel to the steps of Mount Royal park, near the Royal Victoria hospital.
Then climb the mountain to the cross. The waterfall in along the path at the bottom of the mountain, not at the top by the cross. Many, many people hike the mountain to the cross.

Fenix

I continue to respond to you because I believe you have something to offer the overall hunt. Let me try this, it’s 1982, how do you connect these dots without the help of google all mighty?
It’s a bit like a scavenger hunt, if you find clue one, the next clue has to be close enough or you are sitting at the library for a week in between. Again, I challenge you to look at Chicago and Cleveland, along with other verses with theories to lines that are very difficult to argue with. I see people falling into a trap of jumping from one side of a city to the next just because they found something on google that kind of fits.
Based on what we have learned, do you not expect if you needed to cross two bodies of water or climb 500 stairs that BP would have at least made mention of it?

I have actively looked at that angle of falling into a trap, and pondered it deeply. I have, in all of these puzzles transported myself back to the time period and framed this with the thought: If I was looking in a city, what would I look for? The main attractions are obvious. This is why I mentioned that this one reads like a tourist pamphlet for Montreal. The two difficult parts are making the connection to the Beaver Hall Hill and Group of Seven artists, and the connection between George Stephen and the Royal Vic. I think this is why the overly blatant leg eater clue was in the Image. Once you find that, it is easy to see that he was important and contributed to the hospital. All of these facts could be found in the library or by talking to people in 1982, no Internet required. In fact, we could even ignore the “Wind swept halls” IMHO. No one said the puzzle would be solved in a day, or a week. Here we are 36 years later…
As for the crossing the bodies of water, you do cross them if you are driving into the city from the United States. Or you can walk it, been there, done that one time when I was there for the Benson & Hedges Fireworks competition in the 80s. Regarding the climb up the mountain to the Cross, I’m not sure why you think this is impossible. Like I said, many people do it. Kids, old people, dogs. I personally did not, no interest, but I got up to the chalet. If we look at Milwaukee, there appears to be some distance required. Nowhere does it say, the casque is within X distance from your start point. Which brings up the issue of how to define the start point. If we say that the first verse is, then it could be considered a great distance. If we gloss over the landmarks that set us in the correct vicinity and skip to ground clues, e.g. the leg eater, then we are much closer.
If we look at the spirit of the book, BP wanted people in nature, in parks, in gardens. Mount Royal is an amazing park and a gem for Montreal. I advanced the theory that the cross, as repeatedly indicated in the image, seemed like a likely candidate. Again, looking at the tourist guide, it would be clearly marked as a sight seeing destination, and people know it well in the area. The rest of the clues move you toward the park.
Having said all this, could I be off base? Yes. It is just a theory. One that I feel has merit and could be investigated if someone was willing to hike the trails, enjoy some nature and visit the cross. The junction box fits the clues in the verses and makes sense to get permission to dig out. If you don’t want to entertain the theory that’s fine. Perhaps someone will make the effort to at least follow up and if nothing else, rule it out.

i’m just gonna post it all……the whole verse out of the book and add my thoughts, k?
“The venerable Dutch merchant empire of the Lowland Alven was also in its autumn.  Their sailor-servants, the Klabautermannikins, made ready their broad-bottomed boats, and away they sailed, to settle peaceably, at length, among rolling hills by a wide river richly lined with cliffs and trees.  Clear running creeks they found there, and wildcats in abundance, wherefore they named their new home “kaaterskill” (Wildcat Creek). “
venerable-ancient, extremely old, hallowed by religion, commanding respect
and…………..grey (verse 10) means older, ancient, venerable
broad bottomed boats–broadway
empire-type of apple (new york), important holding of a large scope that is controlled by a single family or group, style of architecture (empire state bldg)
wide river–the hudson
maybe the dutch merchant empire is the Dutch East India Company.
autmn………………..fall?  falls?
to settle peaceably—-there is that peace bridge in buffalo,ny
and see how easy i can get two pictures going to the same state
……so, was hoping that this little part at the front of the book would help connect the image and verse.
the dutch description sure seems to point to new york to me, what about u guys?

and it does have a 73 in the hair

erexere

Good point, to merge or not to merge, its difficult to say what’s a distinct vs a partial clue, such as a rebus item like millstone-walkingstick-key or in this case a box that contains the legeater AND the blob.  We’re at a loss if we were expected to identify the blob in the immediate vicinity of the legeater.  If we widen our radius around the lamp discover, then the Golden Square mile is reasonable.  I’ve always wondered if the blob is a blocky redacted object with only faint hints exposed in those round edgings.  What kind of thing could look like that? Rotated 90 or 180 degrees maybe? Does the size of the clue matter?

The blob is possibly a rebus because it is also supposed to contain the zodiac symbol for Libra, but the top semi-circle part of the blob resembles the entrance to the Macdonald Stewart Library building in the McGill University.
Also the left side outline of the Legeater matches the NW outline of the Mount Royal Park, which is also the west boundary of the Golden Square Mile shown as a dotted line on Google Map.
http://goo.gl/maps/qzwES

Sorry, but could someone remind me of the history of the Canadian casque…? Is there definitely a casque in Canada, or specifically in Montreal, because of some remark by BP …? Was someone deliberately searching in Montreal when they found the legeater, and if so, why…?

Fenix

ur block/blob thing near the legeater was a fleur-de-lis in the original painting.

But, but, but Palencar just got an envolope full of shit and made a picture out of it.

Fenix

Now the bigger question…

Finally, somebody asking the right questions.

The few paintings we got to see were so much clearer and brighter than the current scans as well.

So, as per the rules, I read the whole thread… I don’t recall seeing this, although I’d be shocked if it wasn’t in there, because it’s pretty easy to find. So, sorry if this is a retread.
I’m trying to “walk” from Mount Stephen (legeater) to the Trafalgar school for girls (step pattern near collar). After passing Mount Stephen, the very next building is this:
https://imgur.com/lWcIv2y
Note the brown x’s on a gold background:
https://imgur.com/lWcIv2y
Maybe even the bricks match the weird shift pattern, in that it’s three lines, then three perpendicular lines. But… ehhh I feel like I might be reaching.
https://imgur.com/urB22vM
But we are all well aware that Preiss liked to put on-the-way clues in the verse and picture. Feel free to join me, tonight, as I continue my “walk” (google satellite), looking for other stuff.

JoshCornell

or what? no need to wade through all the bs rampantly insane theories. there are loads of threads in this section. i can make one if i want. gfy troll
plus i have a bunch of additional info to include.

You’re both right:
On the one hand, Seabass is right, it’s actually like the first rule in the “READ The RULES” thread. I will be the first to admit it’s a pain to read a whole thread, but it’s the only known way to stop a bunch of retreads slowing the search down (hey, I said “retreads” don’t call me out for hate speech, lol)
On the other hand, Seabass, he’s posting in the correct thread and being constructive & positive. Let’s encourage that.
Cornell, I’d be shocked if GSM was a red herring, seeing as how there are like 100 golden squares in the picture.

Okay, we’re at the first intersection. We can go left along New House boulevard or straight along Drummond.
I don’t see anything along New House, so let’s go straight.
Here is the view from the intersection, facing left down New House. Let me know if I missed something:
https://imgur.com/GyVe2aj

Remind me what the name for the islands are, again? I know it’s been mentioned, but I’m doing some complicated job training and drinking while I do this search (hence my name)

JoshCornell

I’m definitely right about the runes…it directs our focus to RUE PEEL. RUE PEEL IS THE KEY TO THE WHOLE PUZZLE.

Aw dang, I solved it in a similar way, but I got RuPaul as the key to the whole puzzle. This explains RuPaul’s confused dm’s to me over the past decade

I read 116 pages of this thread of the weekend and somewhere in here there is discussion of the word “fee” next to the guy’s left shoulder. After starring at it long enough I think it might say “PeeL” I could be wrong, it could be matrixing from the scan I’m working with.
Also of note doing research on old maps and historical site, one block up from Mount Stephens Club on Drummond is the old Salvation Army Citadel. I don’t believe that has been brought up and I don’t know if it’s relevant or not… yet.
I’m having a hard time with the Dutch link, I know Montreal saw a large immigration of Dutch post WW2 and that both designer of Mont-Royal and the originator of the Expo 67 idea were both of Dutch decent but that’s all I’ve got so far.
Unfortunately the more research I do into the history of the Island, the more I start realizing that most of the parks have undergone some sort of renovation since the 1980s and lets not forget the Ice Storm of the 90s.
Just a few ideas thrown at the wall.

JoshCornell

my Charelston theory is THE BEST STANDING THEORY on the internet hands down.

I’m not convinced. For instance, how about:
Citadel in the night
In Charleston, there’s this.
(OK, I don’t know when that logo dates from or where it appeared. But that’s a citadel in the night.)
In Montreal, you suggest this.
It’s some random turret. There are millions of them; they’re everywhere. Why is that a citadel in the night…?
No reason, except that you’ve already made up your mind about the location, so you latch onto some random object that kind of matches. If the clues are as vague as that, there’s no chance of anyone solving it.
(I’m not saying that’s the right verse, but I prefer to stay open minded about the combinations.)

OK, you win.

Bigmatty, you quickly understood my process and declared your position on my method.  Everything has layers.  It was up to BP to decide where and how much to build depth into this hunt.  Its just an opinion based on a relatively small sample that you have established a fixed perspective on a uniform simple or nonlayered approach.
Im the Johnny Come Lately here and so I get it, but dont think Ive under valued all the hard work that you and others have put into this.  I only offer ideas after considering what you have already put in the forums.  Im definitly working on the sane hunt.  I am breaking the pattern however and as long as im not making any big errors, I hope my two cents might add up to something.

The thing that gets me about the legeater is this.
If people think this means there’s a casque in Montreal, and they take BP’s “there is a casque in St Louis” (sorry, forgotten the exact wording) to signify the city, then what other site (SF, Charleston, Roanoke, Cleveland, Chicago, Florida, New Orleans, Houston, Milwaukee, Boston, NY) are they willing to let go of…?
And if you’re not willing to let go of any of them, and BP didn’t mean there was a casque in Louis Armstrong
Park
, then what did he mean, and how much trust can you put in any of his other statements…?
(Personally I’m happy to go with Montreal and Armstrong Park. I’m just curious what the other options are.)

I’m with you there,WR.  My opinion is he was referring to “St. Louis” street in New Orleans.  I argue that there isn’t a St.Louis Armstrong Park, so you’re off a bit with that association.  BP said “St.Louis is right”…perhaps a little misleading but not completely.

If I’m wrong about this, I’ll buy a personalized license plate for my car that reads FALLACY.
So I asked around, first a couple random folks, then some old friends I use to actually see in the arcade back in the early 90’s and they straight up TOLD me it was PUCK-Man.  So, I couldn’t remember this bit myself, but they knew it with no problem.  I’m thinking you should join in on the experiment and see how many folks you know in the 40 to 50 age bracket might answer the question: what was the original intended name for the game Pac-Man in 1980?

erexere

If I’m wrong about this, I’ll buy a personalized license plate for my car that reads FALLACY.
So I asked around, first a couple random folks, then some old friends I use to actually see in the arcade back in the early 90’s and they straight up TOLD me it was PUCK-Man.  So, I couldn’t remember this bit myself, but they knew it with no problem.  I’m thinking you should join in on the experiment and see how many folks you know in the 40 to 50 age bracket might answer the question: what was the original intended name for the game Pac-Man in 1980?

I was just thinking about this just now…
Wouldn’t it be absolutely diabolical of BP to have the drawing of the legeater represent the
actual legeater???
.  Oh wow.  It’s positively genius.  No one worthy of BP’s intellect would ever deign to think that it’s the
actual thing that it is on the page!
They’ll be too busy seeking the far more obvious connections to Shakespeare and craftily-implied railroad logos, that they’ll miss it!  Oh, this is truly rich, and a testament to the mischievous mind behind this tantalizing labyrinth of a mind-game. What a trickster, that BP.  A regular
Puck
, he!

bigmattyh

I was just thinking about this just now…
Wouldn’t it be absolutely diabolical of BP to have the drawing of the legeater represent the
actual legeater???
.  Oh wow.  It’s positively genius.  No one worthy of BP’s intellect would ever deign to think that it’s the
actual thing that it is on the page!
They’ll be too busy seeking the far more obvious connections to Shakespeare and craftily-implied railroad logos, that they’ll miss it!  Oh, this is truly rich, and a testament to the mischievous mind behind this tantalizing labyrinth of a mind-game. What a trickster, that BP.  A regular
Puck
, he!

Sorry, I don’t follow.  You are dismissing the Mount Stephen Club lamp as a confirming clue?  I’m saying it’s very important to recognize that clue and then gather information on the history of the building at it’s location.  George Stephen was no small figure in Canada’s history.  It would be abundantly clear that he was a huge part of the railroad system.  Would you argue that the nature of the building or a historically significant resident would have nothing to do with this hunt?  You think the lamp is just a simple marker to tell you “the casque must be around here somewhere?”.  Are you dismissing the idea that a frowning face and a smiling face could represent tragedy and comedy and that those convey no popular connection with Shakespeare’s plays or any ancient Greek theater?
This Leg Eater is definitely a Montreal Clue.  The iconic railway is a huge byproduct of the Eater reference.  Pac-Man looks like the CP logo and carries the Eater logic from it’s starting place in Montreal to it’s end in Vancouver where the most popular Canadian reference to a puck is best connected, Lord Stanley’s Park.  Can this be argued in a truly constructive manner or should I expect more tacky jabs?

erexere

It’s more like this, I’m putting up ideas and you are criticizing.   It’s been discussed and verified that BP never said they were all easy and uniform.
I’m curious about the blob, it looks pixel based like the ghosts in Pac-Man.

Yes thats the way it works, one puts up an idea, and others tear it down.  The ideas that survive are more likely correct.
and while BP never said they were uniform, he never said they were all different, and to me an uniform solution makes more sense.
He did say he expected all of them to be solved within 6 months to a year of the publishing of the book which to me argues against layer upon layer of depth.
and no – the blob does not look  like the pac man ghosts. yes it looks pixelated. and rougly dome shaped. but that is the extent of it. there are so many features that do not match that out number the 2 that do.

Yes, but tearing down one interpretation just to replace it with another based on mere preference is weak and inconsistant with finding good hard exact evidence.  I must say shecrab has done the best at upholding that kind of rigor.
Saying the blob doesnt look anything like a pac-man ghost is one thing, saying you have something in mind that looks a degree or more closly matching is another.  Lets be more objective on that level.

Feel free to read the last 9 years or so of my posts to find the many many things I have suggested the blob looks like or considered as others posted them.
I don’t really feel like reposting them,  Many of my ideas about the blob have been shot down. Dont feel singled out, I beleive at this point 100% of all the blob suggestions have been wrong. I don’t believe we have found it yet.
but if you prefer, when you post something I don’t think is valid, I wont comment.

Your posts are welcome.  Its up to you if you are willing to share the nuts and bolts of your opinion.  I have read over the entire thread and the problem with all the other blob suggestions is just that the havent given us a substantial lead.  I offer the ghost only because ithe question was raised about why there was a more pacman specific detail in the image.  The ghost might be that detail even if only a hint of similarity.

erexere

Sorry, I don’t follow.  You are dismissing the Mount Stephen Club lamp as a confirming clue?

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I’m saying it’s very important to recognize that clue and then gather information on the history of the building at it’s location.

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George Stephen was no small figure in Canada’s history.  It would be abundantly clear that he was a huge part of the railroad system.

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Would you argue that the nature of the building or a historically significant resident would have nothing to do with this hunt?

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You think the lamp is just a simple marker to tell you “the casque must be around here somewhere?”.

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Are you dismissing the idea that a frowning face and a smiling face could represent tragedy and comedy and that those convey no popular connection with Shakespeare’s plays or any ancient Greek theater?

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This Leg Eater is definitely a Montreal Clue.  The iconic railway is a huge byproduct of the Eater reference.  Pac-Man looks like the CP logo and carries the Eater logic from it’s starting place in Montreal to it’s end in Vancouver where the most popular Canadian reference to a puck is best connected, Lord Stanley’s Park.

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Can this be argued in a truly constructive manner or should I expect more tacky jabs?

What I’ve been saying is: the drawing of the lamp is a clue that represents the lamp at the Mt. Stephen Club.  It is not Puck, or connected to Puck-man/Pac-man or anything else.
I’m saying that this is not relevant to solving the puzzle.  You had to know nothing about the history of Grant Park or the Cleveland Cultural Gardens, or anything else along the way other than what your eyes could get from having your feet on the ground in the treasure path.
So what?
This is my problem with your methodology: You see a clue — a relevant clue, even — and you take it two steps too far into free-association-land.  Example:  legeater -> George Stephen -> railroads.  This solution likely has nothing to do with railroads.
You know what solution did have something to do with railroads?  The Houston solution.  That puzzle tells you to take your task to the number 982, which was a number painted visibly on a large locomotive engine in one of Houston’s biggest, most-visited parks.  It required nothing of you knowing the history of railroads in Houston or anywhere else — only that you go to the park and keep your eyes open.  Done.
Yes.  It’s just like the line “Where M and B are set in stone”: You only had to notice that Mozart and Beethoven were carved into the building — not the history or significance of the building itself.
It’s different in the case of the Roanoke solution, because the site itself has major, well-known importance.  The Wright Brothers’ first flight was a major world event.  I doubt very many people at all know who George Stephen is.
Yes.  As in “you’re on the right track.”  We’ve seen these obvious, literal confirmers in both the Chicago and Cleveland solutions: the man on the horse, the Water Tower, the fence (Chicago), Terminal Tower, the lion’s head, the basin, the columns (Cleveland).  All literally depicted in the images.
Obviously, not everything depicted in the image is a literal representation of something.  But when you find a literal thing that actually exists, represented in the picture, yes.  It means that literal thing.
I do understand the reference, and I agree that the tragedy/comedy masks are a widely-understood reference to drama or the theater.  But I don’t think that a much more generalized version of it (a wry smile) also means that we should be thinking about, say, “A Midsummer Night’s Dream” or any other of Shakespeare’s plays.
You clearly prefer the complicated to the simple.
Yes.

erexere

Yes, but tearing down one interpretation just to replace it with another based on mere preference is weak and inconsistant with finding good hard exact evidence.  I must say shecrab has done the best at upholding that kind of rigor.

It isn’t “mere preference.”  There’s a lot more supporting the point of view I’m advocating.
Your definition of hard evidence and rigor seems to completely ignore all of the reasonable objections I’ve made to your “layers of meaning” methodology.  I hate to be so blunt sometimes, but frankly, it seems like you’re working on a completely different treasure hunt.

We simply can’t know how far BP took this game.  Arguing for a universally simple approach is a tad short-sighted.

It’s like this.
Imagine a dresser with 12 drawers.  We know very little about it — only that a carpenter made it and put things inside the drawers.
After a while, someone opens a drawer and finds a red ball.  Then someone opens another drawer and finds another red ball.
Some of us say, oh interesting: there might be a pattern here.  Others of us say, oh interesting: the next drawer might contain a giraffe.

It’s more like this, I’m putting up ideas and you are criticizing.  Too bad you can’t come up with a stronger line of arguement.  Try to point out the conflicts in all of my solution attempts.  I have landed on a complete arrangement of image-verse pairingswithout conflicts.  It’s not 100%, but Shecrab just caught a major detail with the word ‘honking’ not being a reference to a bugle.  I don’t think it hurts to get down to the bare bones of the lines.  If the connections made are doubly associated then it becomes a proofing system rather than a fallacy of logic.  You have to work with loose ideas for a time to gather the possibilities.  If you don’t then you are an exceptional individual and we marvel at your ability to be 100% right…now show us a casque.  Go ahead and argue your precious box methodology.  Call my work a giraffe…it just makes you look small and petty.  It’s been discussed and verified that BP never said they were all easy and uniform.  Calling the Secret a cabinet of drawers only serves to validate a narrow standard that just isn’t proven based on just two solutions.  You’re not thinking…you’re complaining.
I’m curious about the blob, it looks pixel based like the ghosts in Pac-Man.  I also wonder about the phonetic similarity where GOH-T and GOH-ST differ only slightly.

Johann, I scanned image 9 and looked at his hat. I checked previous posts and didn’t see this, so pardon me if this has been said.
On the top right side of his hat, the edge appears to be an outline of something. Notice that the rest of the top of his hat is a fairly good curve. But the right side is all uneven.
there also appears to be something across the bridge of his nose, but even blown up I can’t tell what.
wilhouse

wilhouse–  I haven’t noticed anything on the bridge of his nose, but I will look closely.  I have wondered about that crumpled side of his hat, but I have not been able to make anything of it.  Thanks for the pointers.
xlurker–  I had been to Lafayette Park before, but I did not see anything that reflected verse 2.  Yet, I may have missed something, and perhaps I should take a second look.
As a matter of fact, I was there today to photograph for an album cover.  I remembered a beautiful section of broken tile and concrete, the background I wanted.  However, I was so absorbed in what I was doing that I did not give much thought to the hunt (a rare event).  I will keep looking.  Eventually we will crack this thing.

wilhouse–  I forgot to add that there is something strange about the checkers beneath the crumpled part of the hat.  The black and gold pattern is disrupted, and I would like to see a close-up of that if anyone can do so.
I was also wondering: why the colors gold and black?  I have no idea.

while taking my little son to the library today, I found myself driving circles around the block waiting for a parking space to open.  On one of my laps, I happened to look up and see a city sign with a block fountain on it.  Now, of course I am not contending this P is for ABQ, NM but this……  What if we dont necessarily need to find a fountain that is an exact match….but just a sign nearby?  I had always thought that “thing” looked like a block-style-version-of-some-type-of-city-sign.  You know, like no parking, pedestrian crossing, etc..
Just a thought to throw out.  If needed, I can try to take a pic of the sign but I dont know how that will help.

Johann, yes, I see it. There are three boxes in the middle row and two boxes in the lower row. They are distorted. The right box in the middle row seems to have something definite in it.  Even blown up it is hard to see.
Perhaps neVar or Dan can blow it up and see it better and post it. It is on the right side of the hat below the crumpled part.
wilhouse

Hold the phone on my St. Louis theory for this pic!
I followed the 39 longitude (which has been found in the curl of the gnome’s hair) and found Baltimore (39 lat, 76 long) or Annapolis (38.97, 76.503).  The Maryland flag, and the citis’ flags, are colored with black and gold checks, similar to the pic. (
www.enchantedlearning.com/usa/states/maryland/
)
(flagspot.net/flags/us-md-b.html)
The government badges of Baltimore imitate this design.
(
www.ci.baltimore.md.us/government/
)
Netherland gnomes: The Dutch had colonies in Maryland, especially along the Delaware River.  There was also a colony of Dutch immigrants established in Bohemia Hundred, Cecil County , MD (1684), NE of Baltimore.
(
www.bcplonline.org/info/history/hist_herrman.html
)
(
www.geocities.com/~topolyp/projects.html
)
Puritans founded Providence (1649), later called “Anne Arundel’s Town” (Lord Baltimore’s Dutch wife), and then Annapolis (after Queen Anne, in 1708).
(
www.ci.annapolis.md.us/visitors/welcome/history.asp
)
And, I don’t know if there is a direct connection, but some of the Separatist Pilgrims went to the Netherlands (Holland, of course) before Plymouth (1620)
Annapolis maps:
www.annapolis.gov/government/depts/tran … ap.asp#map
www.hometownannapolis.com/tour.html
Baltimore map:
www.mdarchives.state.md.us/msa/mdmanual … citym.html
parks in Baltimore (or Annapolis?  my error?):
www.ci.baltimore.md.us/government/recnp … ntory.html
Sandy Point SP, Hart-Miller Island State Park, Rosaryville SP,
North Point SP, Wye Oak P (some are outside the city)
also useful:
www.epodunk.com/cgi-bin/genInfo.php?locIndex=2437

The early story suggests that the Dutch picture will tie to the Catskills.  Would “Wildcat Creek” be the place that “no lion fears”?
Drew

that verse won’t get you there.
wilhouse
________________________________
Byron Preiss, you will not be forgotten

wilhouse

that verse won’t get you there.
wilhouse
________________________________
Byron Preiss, you will not be forgotten

Oops, I forgot that that was the Houston verse!
Drew

This is the back side of the Trinity Church on Copley Square right next door
to the Boston Public Library!  I used the street view from Google to “walk”
around the block.
Does the checkerboard design look familiar? It is used all around the Church exterior.
It is even the right color for Image 9…
The “hands” in the image can denote praying…as in the Trinity Church…
If we can find the “leg-eater” photo in the BPL, we will have quite a lead!
There is also a very nice park with a fountain on the other side of the church.
AP

Slappy,
Where ever we look, it seems that we cannot get away from lions!
These two are inside the Boston Public Library…with lampposts nearby…
Only I cannot get a good look at the base to see if it has “leg eaters”.
Trohn says that there are leg eaters inside the library.
Anyone in the Boston area who can go look in the BPL?
Verse 3 makes reference to the “green tower of lights”
This is a photo of the John Hancock Tower in Copley Square just behind the
Trinity Church, just next door to the Boston Public Library….

ap i always thought of p-9 dude as some sort of clergy, maybe back in
the days before electric.
i remember something about trohns’ /or at least a post about the legeater,
and the boston Library, maybe they moved the post inside
good find on the checkerboard design

lol, AP, don’t get me started on boston, i go crazy.
i am still convinced image 11 and verse 3 are boston. ………….right in the public gardens,

Slappy,
Has Image 9 ever been related to Verse 3 before?
AP

AP, if Trohn found a leg eater in Boston then he made a link.  I don’t remember his post either, and no time to check thru the posts right now

slappybuns

AP, if Trohn found a leg eater in Boston then he made a link.  I don’t remember his post either, and no time to check thru the posts right now

It was found more of interest and humor than matching up
directly with Image Nine.
Re: verse 3
« Reply #259 on: December 06, 2007, 21:32:40 »
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Is everyone sitting down….
http://muddyriver.typepad.com/photos/bo … /lib3.html
Look at the great photos of the courtyard..but look what else is in
BPL:
Someone want to copy this over to image 9.
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wouldn’t you know……………lion at mount royal:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:A_li … ntreal.jpg
because of the hand gesture, i looked up “steeple” in mount royal and found this:
Using General Electric and English Electric box and “steeple” cab locomotives, these aged machines continued to pull commuter trains through the City of Mount Royal along the Tunnel Line until well into the 1990’s.
http://www.railfame.ca/sec_ind/communit … yal_QC.asp
and also there is the cross:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Moun … -cross.jpg
not sure if the “golden square mile”  is important, but made me think of the checkerboard design
“The Golden Square Mile was the name of a luxurious neighbourhood at the foot of Mount Royal in the west-central section of downtown Montreal, Canada.”
doesn’t this flower design look like the flower in the image?….sort of
http://flickr.com/photos/fotoproze/442856686/
could the design above the dogleg eater  in the image be the design in the cross?
http://flickr.com/photos/rer212/2050316 … 150423776/

Trohn,
It is indeed a leg-eater…but with a paw not a hoof…
Thanks for finding the photo…and yanking me back to reality.
AP

We are focusing too much on the dogleg/lion leg in this image. I hope to be writeing the Missourie History Library soon. I will draw their attention to the dogleg and tell them what a stumbeling block it is for us. I still think the dogleg either is a clue to the world’s fair or is somehow a clue to the muny theater.
For now this is how I read the clues in the image and how they point toward Forest Park. The first thing is the checkerboard pateren that is so dominent in the image. If I rember correctly one of these posts said that at that time this pateren was present just outside of forest park. I think the right side of the hat is the outline of the eastren border of Missourie. The Arch is hidden near the eye. I am now in agreement that the black colar is the old courthouse. We will have to look at the white shirt as it is likely a clue as well. When turned upside down the Jewel Box is present along with what looks like the arms extended bar that binds. The key clues to figure out are the shirt, the dogleg/lionleg  ::) and the hands.
My best guess is that the shirt in contrast with the colar is somehow the pagoda, The hands are the world’s fair pavillion and the dogleg is a clue to the muny theater.
One thing for sure if I have figured out the right verse correctly it appears to be starting us at the muny theater and directing us to a arbor type planter that you can see the pagoda from. If this is correct a clue to the muny must be present likely either the hands or the dogleg.

that legeater is close but the foot is all wrong… we need a hoof, not a paw…

Don’t know. Been searching locations for possibilities. Don’t think it’s a lat/long reference. There’s gotta be more to it. Lots of three’s in the verses.

Just throwing this out there for interpretation…
Turn the image 90 degrees left. Notice the big number ‘3’ in the center. Anyone’s research yield a three reference anywhere?

i do see it clear as day… only three stand watch?

As noted in the Image 11, Trinity Church thread,
I suspect that we should be looking for something
along these lines here…..
http://members.virtualtourist.com/m/p/m/1b951a/
Not that I am suggesting Boston for this one,
I am suggesting a casque-site linking factor.
(Can St Louis accomodate?)

jambone, i’ve tried finding other references to rembrandt (in montreal, because of the legeater)  but i think maybe  just that he was Dutch.
i just found the old coat of arms for montreal, do you think it could be the X in the image?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mtlweblog/191384068/

I saw this in the hair of the image 9 man.
To me it looks like the side view of a moth.
Maybe it will make a connection to one of our possible cities
(like the locust in image 10 is a name of a street)
AP

slappybuns

i found this a little striking:
http://www.artinliverpool.com/blogarch/ … rtrait.jpg
ckr.com/photos/ash2276/1144165596/

Nice slappy!  I am blocked from looking at the pics on flickr at the moment (stupid WebSense), so I don’t know what those depict, but I found another self-portrait by Rembrandt that is similar too:

LINES 1-2: Starting @ the LegEater Lamp (Brooch/Pin on Image 9) on 1430 Rue Drummond, walk 2 blocks North to the Montreal Metro Peel Station and board the Green Line (i.e. “Lane”) going North towards Honoré-Beaugrand Station [Incidentally, this “Lane” is the only Metro Line that Zig-Zags in the exact shape of the neckline on Image 9]. Get off at the 10th Stop (i.e. “Roman Numeral X” of Brooch/Pin on Image 9) which is Pie-IX Station (i.e. Roman Numeral for Image “9”). This Station is named after Pope Pius the 9th and is centrally located between the 2 different sections of AutoRoute 20.
LINE 3: Upon exiting the Metro, you will immediately see the Olympic Stadium which is oval in shape (i.e. “arc of lights”). It was built for the 1976 Olympics (i.e. the hidden 7 & 6 in the “Flower” of Brooch/Pin on Image 9).
LINES 4-6: The Olympics were bittersweet (i.e. “Happy/Sad” Smile on Image 9). They were the 1st hosted by Canada, but were a financial debacle in addition to being Boycotted by 28 Countries. In fact, Canada completed paying its debts in 2006.
LINES 7-8: The Olympics included the Olympic Village, an imposing twin-tower structure (i.e. “Citadel”), built as the athletes’ residence during the games.
LINES 9-10: The Olympic Stadium included an inclined Tower (i.e. “Wingless Bird”) that was designed to open/close the roof of the Stadium [Indeed, its graceful shape resembles the body of a bird without wings].
LINES 11-12: Immediately next door to the aforementioned Olympic sites, you will find the Montreal Botanical Garden (i.e. “Flower” of Brooch/Pin on Image 9). They were founded in 1931, on forest lands, by Brother Marie-Victorin [Indeed, the “Abbot” depicted in Image 9 really existed]. He is a very important figure in Canada’s Christian/Catholic history. He died in 1944 in a car crash (i.e. “Crushed” side of the “Abbot’s” hat in Image 9). There is only one statue on the grounds to commemorate him (i.e. “Beneath the only standing member of a forest”) that was unveiled in 1954. The statue is off to the side of the entrance of the Main Greenhouse (i.e. The Glass or “Opal Jewel” on the Abbot’s Hat of Image 9).
LINES 13-16: Walking exactly 44 feet [Perhaps an alternate answer for the 2+20+2 reference in Line 2] South of the Statue you will find Casque 9 is buried (i.e. “White stone closest…At twelve paces”). It is, indeed the only white stone in the cement floor, hidden in plain sight as seen in a picture of the Statue @
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marie-Victorin_Statue
. You can also use Google Maps to zoom in and see it from above. Incidentally, the following picture of Brother Marie-Victorin illustrates how much he resembles the “Abbot” I Image 9:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marie-Victorin_Kirouac
.
LINES 17-18: Getting permission to dig is going to be quite the undertaking in this Historical Landmark.

Yes. The Montreal location is interesting (and frustrating) since there are only a few possible parks in the whole city. Should narrow down location considerably. While the painting does not have a lot of imagery (like Milwaukee), the starircase design is seen on the roofs of the McGill Campus buildings nearby on Ave De Pins. There is also the legeater. Someone had also mentioned that the flower may resemble the ornament on the door of the RedPath Museum as well.

Nah, those flowers are everywhere like taxis in Manhattan, you can blindfold yourself and randomly pick a spot and that flower will still be in your site, thru out the entire downtown area.

Another part here that could use ‘on the ground’ perspective is the “middle of 21.” Is it really be referring to the trees surrounding the park? Only so much info you can gain from google street view. Also could there be other image confirmers that make more sense once you are on site?

DaVinci, I have that flower as representing Olymic Stadium in Montreal.
The numbers 67, 76, and 77 are significant to that building.
67 – World’s Fair
76 – Montreal Olympics
77 – First year the Monteal Expos played their home games

davinci4

For what it’s worth:
At the place where jewels abound (Redpath museum, McGill University, home of collection of minerals)
Fifteen rows down to the ground (15 steps in front of the building, excluding the top platform)
In the middle of twenty-one
From end to end (?trees surrounding neighboring park, location of casque)
Only three stand watch (three bares statue)
As the sound of friends
Fills the afternoon hours (college students after class)
Here is a sovereign people (general reference to Canada)
Who build palaces to shelter
Their heads for a night! (Nearby Windsor Hotel)
Gnomes admire (direct reference to jewel “image to verse”, see page 21 in book)
Fays delight (three bares statue reference)
The namesakes meeting (mount stephen club, george stephen house)
Near this site.

so the museum makes jewels?
if McGill Downtown Campus is the correct spot and V2/i9 is the correct match, then this one will be the best of all 12.
Just from line 3 to line 7 and connecting it to McGill Downtown Campus , OMFG! I LOVE IT! that right there is good enough to make a Hollywood blockbuster!!!

I would be happy for someone to prove me incorrect.
Please, show and tell.
Two points:
– yes, it is a horse, but note the style of rider
(military with legs extended – versus- tucked up at the
horses neck – race style)
– this image has a decidely lack of location clues
(a portrait of our gnome in silk)  No overt buildings
or geographical references.
To me this saids, the city is less important than the
site.  (ie.. The Vatican is more famous than where it is
located – Vatican City)
Why a portrait?  Any answers?

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It would make sense that at least  one verse mentioning time would fit with an image with a clock.

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But there is an image: 12. The square clock says very directly,
Times Square.
IOW, New York City.

Unknown

Unknown:
However, ‘three stand WATCH’ doesn’t seem to fit with THREE WATCHES to me.
Standing
watch, and
a watch
are very different things.

Unknown

Unknown:
And nothing in the verses seems  to point to any indication that timepieces themselves may be a confirmer for an outdoor location, except perhaps in the shape of something–as the Image 7 clock may do.

Unknown

Unknown:
The phrase twice as many east steps as the hour is indeed a puzzle. They could mean the hour in the image–that is the most likely candidate for “what hour.”

Unknown

Unknown:
The good thing about that is that there are only 10 probable verses, not 12–since two of the casques have been recovered.

Unknown

Unknown:
What it doesn’t mean, IMHO, is that there is somehwere a clock nearby in the location. The reason for this is that any clock near the casque would have to be stopped and permanently fixed on SOME hour when and since the casque was buried, and the likelihood of that being the case is just miniscule; otherwise, as with most clocks, the hour will be different, every, well,
hour
.  That doesn’t make sense as a marker for a location, does it?

I did say this.
Sure, but this does not link any verse to an image, which is what is important. BTW, the clock says nothing DIRECTLY, you are speculating.
I agree. Just trying to play with wording. I’ll stop posting if you’d like.
Again, agreed.
Yes! This is what I have been getting at.
Way less than that. As I had pointed out, only 3-4 verses actually reference time. Why not focus on these?
For lack of any better response, Duh. Did anything I’ve mentioned indicate that I thought clocks or watches would be found in the area?
What I have been trying to point out, is that there is VERY few commonalities CONSISTANT among the solves – and by solves, I mean casque-in-hand.
1. A verse which contains a line CLEARLY linking to the image.
2. Lat/long coordinates (I cannot deny the Mill Walk Key “solve”‘ though, which may eliminate this commonality).
3. A very distinct representation in the image of an object VERY close to the casque.
4. Abstract images (buildings, etc.) which are in the vacinity of the location.
possible 5. An outline of the state the casque is in (which I don’t think will remain constant).
possible 6. The culture represented in the image is distinctively related to the location.
possible 7. An Olmstead park is located nearby the casque’s location.
These are the only clues I think we can really go by. I am not saying that these clues will remain consistant, but they are the only ones that have so far.
While I do recognize the month/culture/birthstone connections, only the culture has been involved in the solve. Very sketchilly at that.
What I am tired of doing (I am sure the verterans like yourself are, too), is saying, “maybe this verse, maybe that verse.” Very few of the locations, I believe, can still be uncovered because of time/disasters/changes/etc. So, I am trying to narrow my search to the ones that are very plausible (Boston, Montreal, San Francisco), or determine a verse’s line which DIRECTLY mentions something in the image, a concrete link that the solves had.
It gets to be very frusterating that we cannot just go dig at will. I can see this coming out in your last few posts (as well as in my own, and I’m only a year deep).

The clocks were meant to show the month of the image–the associated month. In the Chicago picture, there are five warts on the guys face which stand for May which is associated with emeralds (birth stone).

shecrab

The clocks were meant to show the month of the image–the associated month. In the Chicago picture, there are five warts on the guys face which stand for May which is associated with emeralds (birth stone).

Right, but I think thrasher’s raising an interesting question about associating specific content from the verses to specific visual content in the images — more than just a general “feel” to it.
Especially “twice as many east steps as the hour.”  Which hour?

bigmattyh

Right, but I think thrasher’s raising an interesting question about associating specific content from the verses to specific visual content in the images — more than just a general “feel” to it.
Especially “twice as many east steps as the hour.”  Which hour?

Bingo. On both counts.
It would make sense that
at least  one
verse mentioning time would fit with an image with a clock.

Yeah 420, I did misunderstand.  I’m pretty burnt out for the time being.  A good time for a break.

Unknown

Unknown:
It would make sense that at least  one verse mentioning time would fit with an image with a clock.

But there is an image: 12. The square clock says very directly,
Times Square.
IOW, New York City. However, ‘three stand WATCH’ doesn’t seem to fit with THREE WATCHES to me.
Standing
watch, and
a watch
are very different things. And nothing in the verses seems  to point to any indication that timepieces themselves may be a confirmer for an outdoor location, except perhaps in the shape of something–as the Image 7 clock may do.
The phrase twice as many east steps as the hour is indeed a puzzle. They could mean the hour in the image–that is the most likely candidate for “what hour.” And that would be whatever image actually goes with this verse, which has not yet been determined. The good thing about that is that there are only 10 probable verses, not 12–since two of the casques have been recovered. You might also eliminate Verse 9 if you believe that the casque is in FOY park. And you might also eliminate Verse 1 for its obvious and nearly ineluctable association with Image 8, Houston’s Children’s Zoo. So that leaves V. 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 8 and 10, and probably verse 8 is Milwaukee (if not in Lake Park, then somewhere close,) which leaves only 6 verses to ponder.  What it doesn’t mean, IMHO, is that there is somehwere a clock nearby in the location. The reason for this is that any clock near the casque would have to be stopped and permanently fixed on SOME hour when and since the casque was buried, and the likelihood of that being the case is just miniscule; otherwise, as with most clocks, the hour will be different, every, well,
hour
.  That doesn’t make sense as a marker for a location, does it?

JoshCornell

do you guys not look at anything i do? lol

Josh, what about the possibility that we do take a look, agree with some ideas and not others….and then go along pursing our own ideas? Is that out of the realm of possibility in your world. I know that’s how people look at my ideas.

now that is more like it falcon.  This is something even I would agree on.  (having trouble with a lego police car  :-/).
I really like the fountain idea with the pics you posted.  Dont think I would have seen it with just a description from you.  Now, if it is a fountain, why is the base so …. well lack of a better word…. off?  Maybe it is because of the location our perspective is from.  Maybe there is a bldg or some other object in front of the fountain.
time to fountain surf…….wheeeeee  😀

Much thanks, falcon!  I printed a copy of your pictures, and I will check out locations.  –Johann

boogie…are you thinking P9 is for Manhattan?

Not really Fox, I was responding to Adoks take on the verse, and not the image.  Sticking to the idea that “until it’s solved…..”
No, I’m betting V10 and P12 are our NY clues, more precisely, JPJ Park.  But anything is possible.

Digging at the tote board would indeed be a daunting task.  Is there anyone with authority to let you dig there Trohn?  Would hate to see one of us tossed in the hoosegow.
adok…really like your ideas about Washington Park.  If this is the case, what happens to our JPJ park ideas?
Now…for a little of my own thoughts on good old P9:
Has anyone focused on the odd tan area to the right of the man in the P?  Can we get someone to blow it up and compare it to this?
I finally got an email from a message I posted on some Montreal message board.  Here is what he said:
“The ‘map’ of the province of Quebec(including a part of southern Ontario) can be seen right of the mans face.  It kind of looks like a water mark. It is the pale beige section on the backgroung wall.”

You mean the spires and stands….

adoks53

I’m still stuck in Manhattan on this clue. Manhattan is solid streets and buildings…except for a small park here and there. so… if you consider that the manhattan jewel district is “the place where jewels abound” , going to 21st st, and finding its middle, then counting down 15 rows (streets) takes you to Washington Square Park, about the only “ground” you can get to. It just seems like too strong of a coincidence to ignore. Then theres the 3 standing watch… Garibaldi, washington, and the other guy as statues…the namesakes meeting ( 2 washington statues on the arch), after all, it is his park. just seemed like too many things gelled for me.

Here is a sovereign people
Who build palaces to shelter
Their heads for a night
!
The first part of the V seems strong.  I get stuck on this last part.  Which I
had always thought would have to be Quebec, New Orleans, or any place
that considered itself apart from the rest of it’s country or state.
Even Long Island, NY, which wants to be it’s own state.
Anything from an image that you can link?  I’d love to go check it out.

adoks53

I’m still stuck in Manhattan on this clue. Manhattan is solid streets and buildings…except for a small park here and there. so… if you consider that the manhattan jewel district is “the place where jewels abound” , going to 21st st, and finding its middle, then counting down 15 rows (streets) takes you to Washington Square Park, about the only “ground” you can get to. It just seems like too strong of a coincidence to ignore. Then theres the 3 standing watch…
Garibaldi
, washington, and the other guy as statues…the namesakes meeting ( 2 washington statues on the arch), after all, it is his park. just seemed like too many things gelled for me.

Here is a sovereign people
Who build palaces to shelter
Their heads for a night
!
The first part of the V seems strong.  I get stuck on this last part.  Which I
had always thought would have to be Quebec, New Orleans, or any place
that considered itself apart from the rest of it’s country or state.
Even Long Island, NY, which wants to be it’s own state.
Anything from an image that you can link?  I’d love to go check it out.

I’m surprised I haven’t found much on this Image when it comes to the Olympics. When I was a 12 year old punk in the 70s I loved watching the Olympics and couldn’t help but think that this puzzle is tied to Olympic Park.
Our ugly little dude in this image has some seriously messed up fingers (lengthwise), and I can’t help but believe him holding his hands like this is a representation of Olympic Stadium. The stadiums supports have short bottoms and longer clasps over the top.
Verse 5
Weight and roots
extended
Together saved the site
Of granite walls
Wind swept halls
Citadel in the night
I”ve just started to get into this one and I gotta say, it looks like Olympic Park to me.

Playing With Numbers, Part II
Based on a little longitude/latitude analysis, I had earlier (March 8 ) settled on Baltimore, New York, and Montreal as likely locations for the Image 9 casque. Possibly Quebec, Atlantic City, or some less urban spot around one of these places. But let’s go with Baltimore for the sake of argument since that hasn’t been seriously considered yet. There is much in its favor. Consider:
1.
As Egbert has pointed out in the past, the five major U.S. arrival ports in the 19th and 20th centuries were New York, Boston,
Baltimore
, Philadelphia, and New Orleans.
2.
Both Fox and I have pointed out that Baltimore lies in the
(39,76)
lat./long. grid, and two of the numbers in Image 9 could be interpreted as 39 (hair) and 76 (flower).
3.
Now, we KNOW Image 9 is the “Dutch” picture, so what does Baltimore have to do with the Dutch? Perhaps as much as Image 4 had to do with the Greeks – that is, not very much, unless the burial spot has something to do with Dutch immigration or culture. I don’t know much about Maryland.
4.
There is the checker pattern in Image 9, which appears on Maryland’s flag.
5.
The inverted collar might be the outline of a famous domed building in Baltimore, like City Hall or some other well-known edifice.
There ya’ go folks. Maybe someone can find something useful in these musings. Just keep in mind that the casque may be buried in some rural spot – doesn’t have to be in a big city, but is probably historically important for some reason (like Roanoke or St. Augustine).

Interesting flag.  Not only checkered, but x’ed as well.
http://www.freewebs.com/patcash/image9.htm
Could the big C in the hair to the left stand for Calvert?
http://www.mdarchives.state.md.us/msa/m … /flag.html

Trohn–
I think my St. Louis idea is somewhere on this thread.  Of course, I now seriously question it.

Any thoughts,
yes,
why was there EVER a link to st louis?
Who besides me has identified the man in the image?
Find the man, find the casque.
As in the Chicago find, find the building, find the casque.
As in the Cleveland find, find the monument, find the casque.
As in the Houston find, find the animals, find the casque.
Think inside the image.

Com’n, nobody thought that was funny? Tron?  The finger.  Geez

I might be the perpetrator of the St. Louis idea, unless someone else had the idea before me.

It should not be who came of with it,
but WHY?
Image is Everything

boogieman

Meaningless, maybe, but there is a symbol for the X inside a square.
http://www.symbols.com/encyclopedia/27/275.html

In alchemy and old chemistry  was one of the time signs and stood for month.  think you hit the nail on the head with that one.  X month = 10 month… = October.  Gotta side with FB here.  The X
IS
the month, plain and simple.  I also believe he makes a good point about the rebus style picture.
Yes, only time will tell….but I think we will find this casque in a well known port city.

Just thinking out the box a bit. That block shaped part in the square with the cloven hoof I thought looked a bit like a fountain coming out the top and cascading down the sides. Staying with the St. Louis theme I found the Kiener Plaza fountain/waterfall
Any thoughts?
Adrian

.

Unknown

Unknown:
I do not have faith in his choice of city at all

Speaking only for myself, and having no additional knowledge, I will say that when someone starts talking about a solve that deviates from the commonly accepted Image/Verse/City connections that have already been established, I stop paying attention. What usually follows is the kind of confirmation bias that has, IMO, held back progress on this puzzle for far too long. I guess we all have our lines in the sand, and that’s mine. I will apologize, and alter my thinking accordingly if/when someone digs up a casque under conditions that are different than the ones stated above.

sorry, so lost, who is digging where?
and I see a quote from jmdemster but can’t find that user…

Unknown

Unknown:
sorry, so lost, who is digging

Page 120 of this thread. To date, another victim of the “Be Back” hole.

Comments?
http://travel.webshots.com/photo/106756 … 8872ZWUKlN
http://travel.webshots.com/photo/106756 … 8872PfecZv
and for the naysayers (no pun intended)
http://travel.webshots.com/photo/106756 … 8872QwImLg

Is your pop going to be in Houston any time soon? I can have him dowse in the CZ!!
wilhouse

At this point, whatever might work.

well, I think I have it narrowed down to about a 300sq ft area. I just need to know where exactly to dig…
wilhouse

45.5081° N, 73.5550° W
Montreal, Coordinates
In the pictures you just posted I see
73 and 46

I also remembered that BP confirmed Canada, so I guess it does have to be Montreal for this image.
I haven’t given up on Percy Walters…trying to lure in some Montrealers on this forum but no luck yet.
http://detectionduquebec.boardhost.com/viewtopic.php?id=354
Trouble is, people in general are just so goddam lazy and unadventurous.  😛

I have some new details to share soon about the Vancouver BC spot.  I’m trying to find a good image of the outdoor storage closet for the checker pieces.  Looking from the road you can only see a tiny piece of it through the trees.  It looks like it’s about 18-20 steps away from the giant checkerboards.  I turned to see the other side of the road from that spot and it had this:
I’m not familiar with that kind of sign.  Does anyone know what it means?

Digging?  I think these tie ins are much more concrete than Churchill Downs… the checkerboard pattern especially.  But, to each their own.  Keep working on your theory, I’ll keep working on mine, others will keep working on theirs.  That is what we need to solve the next one.

It does indeed look quite similar to the state of Vermont; however, that sure throws a wrench into our theory of each of these locations being on a coast or having a shoreline.  Something else to look into though.

The state of Vermont does in fact have a “shoreline” of sorts on both its eastern and western borders:  On the east the Connecticut River describes the border with New Hampshire, and runs the entire length of the State.  On the west Lake Champlain describes the partial border with New York State, and runs north into Canada.  The State of Vermont has a substantial shoreline along Lake Champlain, as well as along the Connecticut river valley.  The high collar looks very much like the State of Vermont, and if it isn’t, it is one heck of a coincidence.

Just an observation, as I am new to the Board and have only recently acquired a copy of The Secret:  The high dark collar on the left side of the figure( the figure’s right side) looks strikingly like the State of Vermont, including the proper alignment of borders. Am I just seeing things?

WhiteRabbit

You mean here…?
He’s still musing over possible locations in Percy Walters, so I can mention it to him…any reason why? I know you wouldn’t have suggested it without some of that “well thought-out reasoning”.

Are you making fun of my reasoning?
Well thought out, sorta… I like to be able to verify things before posting speculation.
Are there 15 steps leading down in front of the wall? Standing at that wall, it looked to be 15 rows down to the ground. Though, I have never been able to get a pic with enough detail to count, or get someone to go there and count for me. I can tell there are more than 13 and less than 17 from the photos I can find.
At the end of the day though, I still think V2 goes with NO.

Glossiphoniidae

Did Sly check behind the wall at the top of the steps, in the back-center of the park? That’s been my proposition for a while.

Unknown

Unknown:
Queen. (To FLUVIA.) Hie thee, Fluvia, to yon coral dell, where
water fays delight to chase the beams that fall from Cynthia’s lamp :
if aught thou see of one for whom thy gentle lady mourns, strike on
thy shell, and give it life again.

Unknown

Unknown:
PUCK.
List then!—Such wonders shall ye hear,
As never enter’d fairy-ear.—
Through all this flow’r-embroider’d grove,
Where elves and fays delight to rove

Unknown

Unknown:
Not only elfin fays delight
To hail the sober queen of night

You mean here…?
He’s still musing over possible locations in Percy Walters, so I can mention it to him…any reason why? I know you wouldn’t have suggested it without some of that “well thought-out reasoning”.  ;D
(Dalrymple, The Naiad Queen)
“The Fairy Favour”
http://ota.ox.ac.uk/text/4538?CAMEFROM=itunesu.txt
LLoyd; “To The Moon”
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=CTpj … 22&f=false

I dont think there is any doubt I9 = montreal, but personally, I am missing the v2 connection.
Chicago v2 had Where M&B are set in stone.
and
Clevleand had beneath two countries…
I’m missing the part of the verse2 that says Montreal! Start here!.
Although I see the part that says, New Orleans! Start here.
Im just not seing abounding jewels
And besides all the verse translations you are coming up with, take you away from the trees and into the city…
But if you turn around and go up the hill you are in the biggest park in Montreal, but thats just me…

I dont think there is any doubt I9 = montreal, but personally, I am missing the v2 connection.
Chicago v2 had Where M&B are set in stone.
and
Clevleand had beneath two countries…
I’m missing the part of the verse2 that says Montreal! Start here!.
Although I see the part that says,
New
Orleans
! Start here.
Im just not seing abounding jewels
And besides all the verse translations you are coming up with, take you away from the trees and into the city…
But if you turn around and go up the hill you are in the biggest park in Montreal, but thats just me…

Rethinking I9/V2/Montreal…
At the place where jewels abound
Fifteen rows down to the ground
The Royal Victorial Hospital. (Established by donations from George Stephen; the legeater is outside his home.)
“Jewel” crown motif above the main entrance…
Building design matches image…
Fifteen “rows” or steps at the entrance…
In the middle of twenty-one
From end to end
21st letter = U. It’s on the corner of University Street.
Only three stand watch
As the sound of friends
Fills the afternoon hours
You pass nearby McGill University’s “Three Bares” fountain…
…as you walk down to the middle of University St (“the middle of twenty-one”).
Here is a sovereign people
Who build palaces to shelter
Their heads for a night!
Here you come to the road Ruelle Palace (circled…the two corner dots mark the ends of University Street)…
…by the chequered building…
…and Place Ville Marie, aka PVM, with its cross skyscraper.
Gnomes admire
Fays delight
The namesakes meeting
Near this site
Could disappear off down some other road or two from here. I’m thinking of the “three bares” / “three bears” as the namesakes, and wondering about where bears meet. Woods…? Picnics…?

fox

still unsure as to which V leads us to SL but I am liking this P more and more.

The clues seem to indicate Forest Park as the casques location. Looking at maps online Verses 3 6 and 10 could fit. Verse 6 stands out as the most likely of the three. It now looks like the exact site of the casques burial place is hidden in most of the images.
The checkarboard colar could be the arms extended and bar that binds.
Also where was the location in STL one of you took and sent to BP and he said “not the right spot”. I think he was saying the wrong location in the right park. This was his way of confirming the park.

Of course, I like the St. Louis idea because it is convenient for me, and BP seemed to confirm it.
But alas, I have hunted much (with some digging) and I am stumped.
If anyone wants to come over here and look, I would be happy to help.

Does anyone recall or know exactly by what process ravel07 was led to find Montreal’s legeater?

…I too lost a friend that way some years ago. My condolences go out to you.

fox,
regarding your inquirey to sand and Kill Devil Hill,
Kill Devil Hill is actually a huge sand dune.
It’s a couple hundred feet high.
It is right next door to the park that contains
the memorial to the Wright Brothers.
The dune is still used for hang gliding classes and climbing.

I remember the vast amount of sand the Wrights launched from from the history classes….what about paper?  I suppose most of the plane was paper……what about Sandpaper?  It probably was just something they used as a background for this P.

As to the smug … I can’t make anything out – even @ 300 dpi there (should / would) be something.  Changing the color density doesn’t do much for me either:
… as to that dog leg connected to some creature from hell thing … with that Lego-like police car … I thought different angles might help – again, nothing here for me:
(numbers indicate degrees clockwise)

Johann, you have to have a Yahoo id to get into the groups.  Both Egbert and I have posted lots of stuff there.
wilhouse

There is a background blemish to the (viewer’s) right of the gnome’s face.  In the other “grainy” backgrounds (i.e. Image 5 & 10) there certainly isn’t anything with so much contrast.
Is it just me, or does that look like a Native American with a headdress, riding a lion/horse?  Does anyone else see anything significant?
A search for someone riding a lion didn’t turn up any good leads.  What do you make of this?

Is it just me or does the background look incredibly like sandpaper to anyone else.  Does sandpaper tie in with Kill Devil Hill in any way, shape or form?
Sandpaper:  Invented by the 3M Corporation.  This was 3M’s first product and was invented in Two Harbors, MN.  It looks like Francis Okie was responsible for such a find:  http://www.3m.com/about3M/pioneers/okie.jhtml

Just so we’re on the same page. This is portion of the image in question:
I know I’ve brought it up before, but the reason I’ve mentioned this potential explanation for the anomaly in the image is the “Peel” suggestion was given long before Montreal was on the radar, so there’s much less confirmation bias involved since it was mentioned before anyone connected the legeater to Montreal.
At the very least it’s something to think about. Do I buy it? Not necessarily. Does it matter in the long run? Probably not.
I think there are more important unexplained clues in Image 9, such as:
1. Why is the X on his upper chest badge (for lack of a better term) have lines of varying thickness? If I had better access to historic maps of Dorchester/Dominion square in Montreal, it might be telling.
2. What the hell is the blob? That’s obviously important. Is it a treasure ground clue that offers a perspective of the brickwork on the Mt. Stephen Club from the view of the “correct” lamp post?
We know there are a total of 6 legeaters on the lamp posts in front of the Mount Stephen Club. Perhaps the above picture was simply taken from the wrong angle and the view of the buildings behind the proper lamp would reveal the match to the blob.
3. What are those bumps on his hat?
4. Does any of this all matter, shouldn’t we be trying to match a verse to the legeater and the Mount Stephen Club since that is an obvious, very specific clue that is likely on the treasure ground? I would certainly “seek permission to dig out” at such a place.
4.5. Also, I’ve never seen too much enthusiasm on this point, but Preiss claimed the cultural connections were important to the treasures. For example, the Centaur being featured in the image 4 which led to the discovery of a cask at the Greek Cultural Gardens in Cleveland. I’m sure anyone reading this far already understands the importance of the Golden Square Mile and the Golden Square on Image 9’s chest. That carry’s over to Dorchester Dorchester Square, which features the Boer War Monument, a potential connection to the Dutch/Rembrandt theme of Image 9 that seems very similar to the themes used in the cask already discovered in Cleveland. I’m trying to provide some details without insulting readers’ intelligence. If I was being cheeky I might even suggest that the gnome fingers in Image 9 mimmick the legs of the horse and the hands of his holder in the Boer war monument. I’ve been unable to find a picture from the right angle, but given the pictures available, it seems like there may be one. Very well could be/is wishful thinking, but an interesting theory that I haven’t been able to completely eliminate due to the few pictures I have of the Boer War monument to Compare.
Maybe there’s something that looks better from a different angle??
5. Yes I understand there may have been a couple of identical lamp posts that may or may not have made their way to North America but the only extant examples are in Italy. Even so, the latitudes and longitudes of Montreal are in Image 9, and beyond that Preiss said there’s treasure in Canada, in no uncertain terms. I also think Image 9’s collar is a Maple Leaf and there are many other things to solidify Montreal (the Golden Square Mile, etc, etc).
6. Does any of the above matter, since really, the legeater is so specific as to almost guarantee it is a treasure ground clue? The only alternative is going back to arguing about another legeater somewhere else. I really think this one is buried right at the Mt. Stephen Club. Once you narrow down Montreal given the coordinates, etc, everything in the clues leads you to the the Golden Square Mile and/or Dorchester square. At the end of the day though, the legeater is a couple of blocks away, still within the Golden Square Mile. I think Preiss wanted the clue designed to get you into Montreal, and then into the Golden Square Mile, from there, you have to use Verse #?? to guide you into the Mount Stephen Club.
The only other acceptable alternative, in my mind, would be to use the Mount Stephen Club as the exact starting point of the trail, and use the verse to get you from there to Dorchester Square. That seems very backward. I wouldn’t think he’d expect you to just wander randomly around the Golden Square Mile until you find the legeater and then jump off on the verse from there. That makes zero sense. The legeater screams of being the X that marks the spot in Image 9.
The picture guides you into Dorchester, with the Dutch theme, etc., and then we need to use the Verse to take us to the Mount Stephen club a few blocks away.

Lots of good stuff there Merlot. Yeah, that’s the page “we’re” on. My only question at this point is when were you planning on telling us you are actually a Gnome?

Like your nod to the King.  nice to see you thinking about this.  i thought you gave it up.

MrBackstop

Hold on Drunknerds, you are saying my use of the term red herring offends you?
I’ve just thought of it as a playful or clever diversion to a clue or idea in a puzzle, nothing more, nothing less. I think you and I need to get togther for an ice cold IPA or two and you’ll see I’m not what you might envision me to be.

Yeah, I’m rereading my post now and I have no idea what I meant by that. Sorry!

DN, no need to apologize. You and so many other veterans on this board have my total respect for all that you guys have discovered in these puzzles.

My Dig spot for Montreal Olympic Park. I used many pieces of the Image as close-up locators. And to me, they fit very well with the Verse.
The Olympic Rings are on the White Stone wall to the right (image got partially cut off)

Someone asked about the half smile/half frown on the monk’s face.
I’m sure many of you remember ABC’s Wide World of Sports and the opening of the show each weekend with the ski jumper coming down the ramp. During this part you would hear the narrator say “the thrill of victory and the agony of defeat” as the ski jumper loses his balance and falls off the side of the ramp. This “saying” became synonymous with ABC as well as the Olympic Games and why I see that as the reason for the half smile /half frown on the monk’s face.

Nice find, Boogieman.

The strangest coincidence struck me after I read the Little Mermaid by Hans. The story involves a mermaid who gets a magical “draught” from the sea-witch so that it can transform her fish-tail into a pair of legs. The conclusions that I’ve drawn for this puzzle involve recognizing a statue thats based on the Little Mermaid only it has a pair of legs and then we follow clues to a set of giant checkerboards. Another word for checkers is “draughts”.
This puzzle is very visually deceptive. The background shape to the Legeater also fits a large art sculpture in Vancouver B.C.. In Montreal three legs of a creature have been transformed into a lamp. In Vancouver B.C. a tree has been cut down to produce the three-legged Lumberman’s Arch. The cross-sectional view of its base looks similar enough to the flower pattern on the man’s checkered robe. The “draughts” for the giant checkerboards were created from cross-sections of a tree. Thats the description I’ve read, anyway. The pieces look interesting from pictures, but I havent seen a good close up of them.
Btw, I still have no idea what the blob is. It looks like two things. A clover hides behind a blocky shape.

Unknown

Unknown:
(1836)
FAR out in the ocean, where the water is as blue as the prettiest cornflower, and as clear as crystal, it is very, very deep; so deep, indeed, that no cable could fathom it: many church steeples, piled one upon another, would not reach from the ground beneath to the surface of the water above.

Another note about the Little Mermaid story. Someone here suggested at one time that the man’s hands were posed in a way that suggested the steeple of a church. In the beginning of the story the depth of the ocean is described thusly,

You forgot this:
http://i.imgur.com/XbfmM0n.jpg

Merlot Brougham

You forgot this:

Do you have words in the form of a thesis or is a general outline of a map boundary a form of self-evidence?

erexere

Do you have words in the form of a thesis or is a general outline of a map boundary a form of self-evidence?

WTF are you talking about?!?!!?!? It’s like you just slap words together cause you have a keyboard and an outlet. Where is a shooting-self-in-face emoji when I need one.

I think the evidence is strong for Montreal on this one, that’s all.

Glossiphoniidae

WTF are you talking about?!?!!?!? It’s like you just slap words together cause you have a keyboard and an outlet. Where is a shooting-self-in-face emoji when I need one.

No, Im asking for a thesis, a word constructed point, a sentence that helps the image makes sense. WTF is wrong with you?

Merlot Brougham

I think the evidence is strong for Montreal on this one, that’s all.

Thank you for that evidence. I agree that Montreal is important to the puzzle. As I hold the view that Vancouver B.C. is also important, I find it boggling to explain the transcontinental leap. The idea that George Stephen was a founder to the CP railway and Stanley Park has a miniature train in honor of that railway is something to consider.

I’m looking for concrete and literary clues. The constructive criticism is really lacking around here, the trolling and off topic tone in these forums really sad.
Does the man look similar enough to Hans Christian Anderson to consider his Fairy Tales have potential to be utilized by Byron Preiss in staging a casque?
Do the man’s hands look like a church steeple?
Does the first sentence in Hans’ Little Mermaid spark interest, since it also talks about church steeples?
Has Byron Preiss used literary clues in the other puzzles such that we can take this approach seriously?
My thesis is that the “draught” used as the trasformation device in the Little Mermaid is the inspiration for Byron Preiss to use a giant checkerboard and its “draughts” in the solution to finding the treasure ground.

erexere

I’m looking for concrete and literary clues. The constructive criticism is really lacking around here, the trolling and off topic tone in these forums really sad.

Does the man look similar enough to Hans Christian Anderson to consider his Fairy Tales have potential to be utilized by Byron Preiss in staging a casque?
No.
Do the man’s hands look like a church steeple?
No, but it is the commonly known ending gesture of “here is the church, here is the steeply…”
Does the first sentence in Hans’ Little Mermaid spark interest, since it also talks about church steeples?
No.
Has Byron Preiss used literary clues in the other puzzles such that we can take this approach seriously?
Yes.
My thesis is that the “draught” used as the trasformation device in the Little Mermaid is the inspiration for Byron Preiss to use a giant checkerboard and its “draughts” in the solution to finding the treasure ground.
I would like to have a draught or two, and then check the Little Mermaid’s treasure ground for barnacles.

Streeply? First I’ve heard of that.
I’ve always heard “steeple” which rhymes with “people”.

erexere

Streeply? First I’ve heard of that. I’ve always heard “steeple” which rhymes with “people”.

That’s because you’ve always heard it correctly. I spelled it incorrectly in my hasty trolling… which rhymes with tasty bowling… which kinda looks like testie bowling… gargle deez.

MrSeabass

What the f**k does Vancouver have to do with any of this?
Seriously. What the f**k.
Why not find connections with toronto? Or Edmonton? Or hell Paris? WHY ARE YOU NOT LOOKING AT ALL THE CONNECTIONS TO ADDIS ABABA, ETHIOPIA?

Because Addis Ababa, Ethiopia is not a port town. Don’t be dumb.

Can’t solve the
hands
issue.  Here’s what’s curious to me-
The letter C and the # 39.  Unless the # was put in to confuse, I can’t see it being anything other than the latitude for our location.  If this is true, Canada is out for this Image.  Who want’s 39 to be the latitude, say Aye?  There are many States with this #, taken from here:
http://www.bcca.org/misc/qiblih/latlong_us.html 
Here are the States
– California, Colorado, Delaware, Illinios, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Maryland, Missouri, Nevada, New Jersey, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Utah, Virginia, and West Virgina.  Basically, it passes through the middle of the country.  Now, what about the C?  I am exhausted looking in California and Colorado for this thing.  Maybe it is not a C….  Any suggestions?
Here are some big cities
– Denver, Grand Junction, Dover, Wilmington, Indianapolos, Terre Haute, Topeka, Covington, Baltimore, Kansas City, Carson City, Reno, Atlantic City, Cincinnati, Dayton, and Philly.  St Louis is 38* 45′. (almost)

Here is a comparison of the fifteen rows
to the image detail.
Seems interesting to me.

Boogie,
I don’t see a C , but a 9 ,and there is a 0 on the other side in her hair. I don’t see a 3 on her forehead, but I see the 9. I would think that the  3 would be as obvious as the 9.
Hmmm looking now at the other side in her hair , The flip, I took to look like a 0 seems more like a sideways 6 or 9.

Since this image is being discussed within other threads,
wanted to brig back an unresolved discussion –
what do the hands mean?
A renewed discussion is in order.

Like? Is it a Longfellow poem reference or not?  If so, does the literary reference serve any purpose at all?
In my attempt to explore the notion, I found the most tension in the poetic account to be where it mentions the warship Somerset.  The historic Somerset building has two large letter S’s on the gate facing the park we refer to as the 2C’s.  Yes, this puts a new spin on things, but hardly resembles a layers upon layers situation.  What this is identifying is a reference, giving the reference a good moment of attention and then looking up at the gate of a building which has the same name, all the letters to be exact, SOMERSET.
Does Chicago or Cleveland contain a poet reference?  If so, has it been established that there is no associative work to be done?
Lobbing such a constraint into the fray with all the remaining casques seems unjustified if the content and purpose of the working samples are a poor representation of the whole.

Well think about Chicago,
M and B referenced Mozart and Beethoven.
There was a reference to seeking the sounds of Music.
However no deep relationship between Mozart and Beethoven and Music existed.
Mozart and Beethoven were signs on a wall
and the music was a nearby stage.
So while yes I think that might be a reference to Paul Revere, it isnt neccesarily a reference to the longfellow poem or any deeper than hey look Boston!

Well Eighteenth day
Twelfth hour
Lit by lamplight
certainly indicates something like that
I thought though the Mother’s rest area basically fulfilled everything you needed for that verse.
without needing to resort to layers upon layers of associations.

maltedfalcon

Well Eighteenth day
Twelfth hour
Lit by lamplight
certainly indicates something like that
I thought though the Mother’s rest area basically fulfilled everything you needed for that verse.
without needing to resort to layers upon layers of associations.

+1

Unknown

Unknown:
I still believe our legeater {if it represents something at all} represents the Chimera.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khimaira

I think I would have to agree here. Especially since the “leg-eating” figure is one that Etruscans used numerous times in their artwork. It fits.

I think it simply represents a lamppost in montreal, but maybe I am being too simplistic…

slappybuns

i was thinking what if… the legeater is just to represent a satyr……..

I really dont think our legeater is a satyr.  The hooves may or may not be correct and that is all it has going for it…
I still believe our legeater {if it represents something at all} represents the Chimera.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khimaira

maltedfalcon

I think it simply represents a lamppost in montreal, but maybe I am being too simplistic…

I’m with you there, Malted.  I don’t even like the fact that it’s this lamppost, because of how unclear it is as to how you get from the lamppost to the casque site.  The nearest park to the legeater is small, surrounded by tall buildings and is 2-3 blocks away (Dorchester Square).  A more likely park is 4-5 blocks away (Mont Royal), and even then it’s not clear how you’d get to either of them from this club in the middle of an urban area.
Maybe it’s time to take another look at the verses and see if they can help.