Love it Trohn.  That’s the spot.  (and, oh, it wasn’t moved).  I would like a v that gets you there.  I only want to dig once.

I don’t know if this was mentioned before… but could be the Verrazano our ‘v’?
The verse give me the idea that our ‘v’ is something elevated when it say ‘look down’ and the verrazano is a place where you can see at north our ‘isle of B’ (or not?)
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/twilighteldredge/images/ny01220604.jpg
One more… are you noticed that they are 22 ‘step’ (suspender cable) between the east tower (branch) and the east anchorage? (under is the JPJ) ‘or more…’ (the great piece of steel suporting the main cable at the end)
I hope it can help…

Could “simple roots” mean “humble beginnings,” as in someone born into poverty becoming successful later in life?

eljayo, is this where you think the X is?
I thought that too.  Only that
rhapsodic soil
has to be JPJ monument, no?
If Fox and I ever get there, we’ll look at the bottom of that support, and maybe some rhapsodic man will jump out.  Like some kind of marking on that wall.
FB, you got something more on the
Humble
rhapsodic man?

boogieman

edit: and BTW, somebody, for reasons I don’t know, dug a hole at the southern most point of the octagon shaped gazebo.  Looked to be a month or two old.  fresh weeds growing in small sink hole. um….

must be those few people here that keep telling us that JPJ is all wrong

I have discovered that there was probably never a time that one could just walk up to the V support on the JPJ side of the Verrazano.  One may have been able to on the Fort hamilton side, but not with a shovel.  This coming from an old timer with the Port Authority where i work.
Now i want to look at the ARM THAT EXTENDS.  An arm is described in the dictionary as something that may be connected to something larger.  Here, the arm that extends has to start from land, if it
extends
over the Narrows, right?  Back to Trohn’s rhapsodic man, John Paul Jones’ and his soil.
http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&F … &encType=1
This corner of the park is very secluded.  Pretty much can only be viewed by passerbys from the road. (Shore Rd and the Belt Parkway)       22 east steps or more, from the middle of one branch of the v.  gaze north?  North side of the fence, south side of fence prohibited.  I think if you read the verse while looking at the above link, it kind of makes some sense.
Just plugging away.

Unknown

Unknown:
I remember when the Japanese clues were found and posted.

Perhpas we should consider the possibility that most of the Japanese clues aren’t really clues at all. Not in the real sense of the word anyway.
Just a thought.

Euhirudinea

Perhpas we should consider the possibility that most of the Japanese clues aren’t really clues at all. Not in the real sense of the word anyway.
Just a thought.

Could be, but they are certainly tantalizing. Almost like finding notes from da Vinci on his thought about Mona Lisa.

The Japanese translator relayed that the “hints” were not going to make things easy. I figure that means they will be more cryptic than people think.
When he says “Rhapsodic man” is a composer, many people quickly point out Gershwin, and the word soil is then taken as NY. That’s fine, but doesn’t that also seem too easy? The preceding line has us looking down at simple roots. I dont particularly associate Gershwin with things that are simple roots.
Simple roots could be a basic farming idea. Farmers might be the target for the verse line, but then I dont imagine farmers celebrating to Gershwin after a good harvest.
One of the oldest songs, preserved in written form, and possibly a top 40 farmer favorite, might be the “Pleugh Song”.
Perhaps the old world is something to be ignored in this treasure hunt because everything that the fair Folk appreciated correlates withoour modern fancies and hard to spell/pronounce bridge names. Nowadays, Gershwin is the simplest thought or the only composer worth our attention.

Too many people to quote here: It is not Dickens.
I will explain but these videos take a ton of time and there has to be a logical order to explain why it’s not him, otherwise there’s no point in posting it at all. I promise it will make sense. You don’t have to agree, but it should make sense.

gManTexas

…
V10
…
“Him of Hard words” – you would think it’s referring to a writer, but it’s difficult to find out who. When I asked Mr Preiss, he answered me with a riddle. “In order to arrive at this person, you must play with words, and the start is chicken.”
“Rhapsodic man” – I made a poor translation as “a man of epics”, however, from the word “rhapsodic”, think of a famous song, then you will know that the rhapsodic man is the man who made that song.
…

From Image 12 Thread:
Yes, the “Rhapsodic man” could refer to Gershwin = Brooklyn, NY… Or, as some have thought previously, Bohemian Rhapsody = Queen(s), NY
And, I’m thinking the “Play with words, and the start is chicken” would go something like:
Chicken, chicken, bo bicken…etc.
Is there a Moe Micken in the house?

phrabbott

Let’s take a step back. I know Dickens is the simple answer to the Japanese clue, but how does he make any sense at all in a NY puzzle? Do we really think Hard word implies the word Hard?
I posted this a while back:
That’s how Dickens as an answer reads to me. Especially because it says “still” in the clue. And I still believe that.
I believe that the Japanese clues should be read as spur of the moment clues. From what I understand BP was on a phone call with the Japanese editor. My interpretation is that maybe it’s as simple as “him of Hard word” has a name like Richard with hard disguised by a CH sound. How does BP hint that? With a CH word. He quickly digs for said word and comes up with… Chicken. Just one example of how I think that clue can be read.
Can you support the Dickens idea further than the Chicken clue? It would be one thing if anything at all in NYC referenced Dickens. (2006 Roosevelt island sign doesn’t count). Just curious before we dive further down the rabbit hole of finding things that may harken to Dickens.

I remember when the Japanese clues were found and posted. Someone latched onto Dickens as a play on words for chicken. For some reason it stuck, without any logical basis, other than it rhymes.

xlurker–  I explored the Arch/Laclede’s Landing area today and here is a report according to your ideas:
“In the shadow / Of the grey giant / Find the arm that / Extends over the slender path / In summer / You’ll often hear a whirring sound”
“In the shadow” may not be literal and may mean ‘near the Arch’ because it does dominate the area.  The Arch Park paths are all wide and very tree-covered.  It was a cloudy day, but it doesn’t look like the Arch’s shadow would extend over any path between the hours of 11 and 2 (considering the possibilities of pics/hours for this verse).  There is no perceivable source for a whirring sound; I did see an impressive airshow by what looked to be an old prop plane, but that was a one-time show on July 2.  Just for the heck of it, I counted the steps leading up to the Arch and there are 64.  I don’t know if that helps at all.
“Cars abound”:
Of course, cars are everywhere as you note.  There is the 64/40 and 44 bridge, the Eads bridge (cars and Metro rail), MLK bridge, RR tracks, and cars along the streets (even on the brick streets of Laclede’s Landing).
“Although the sign / Nearby / Speaks of Indies native / The natives still speak / Of him of Hard word in 3 Vols.”:
Clamorgan Alley intersects with (from S to N) Washington, Morgan and Lucas.  So, there is a parking lot between Cl. and Laclede’s Landing Blvd, which come before MLK Dr.  At the intersections of all streets there are engraved iron labels on the sidewalk, so there are Clamorgan Alley plates at Morgan and Lucas.
“Take twice as many east steps as the hour / Or more / From the middle of one branch / Of the v”:
There is a small grassy area beneath MLK bridge, between Laclede’s Landing Blvd and MLK Dr., and alongside Leonor K. Sullivan Blvd on the E side (Sullivan runs along the river).  However, I found a plaque indicating that “Rohrer Park” was dedicated 1987.  There is a sculpture of a boat hull on a mound, made in 1977.  So, it is hard to know what was where and when.  Also, there are no stairs/steps here, and the park is not within even 24 steps of anything.
“Look down / and see simple roots / In rhapsodic man’s soil”:
There is much music on Laclede’s Landing, but it would be coming from numerous bars and clubs, as music commonly does.  Scott Joplin’s House is not close to the Landing.
“Or gaze north / Toward the isle of B.”:
I did not get to Biddle Street, but I am sure it is not tree-lined because it is along an old factory.  I have driven along those streets to the north, and I am sure that there were no trees (rather bleak, actually).
So, I cannot see how this verse would work with the St. Louis site.  This is unfortunate because I was hoping it would lead to a revelation.  However, I may have missed something, whether in my eyes or my brain.

Johann,
I really appreciate your efforts! It was so hot yesterday to be running around downtown. I thought at least something would come of this one. I’ll keep working on….. something.  ???
Thanx again- X

how deep didya dig?
-regulus

Fox has some pics and I’ll look through and see what I already have.
Basically, for a little over two hours, we walked around this little park trying to find this v.  We looked at everything.  gazebo, bridge supports, north, west, east.  Lines of sight…  And we focused a little on what got us to this park, the first 12 lines of the verse.  From that, we both agreed we were in the right place.  Feeling 100 % about it as a matter of fact.
We started looking for this darned v.  And I have to tell you all, Fox is a lot better at details than I, looking at things that i had previously brushed off.  We find ourselves standing in front of the monument.  22 steps?  middle of one branch?  The monument is this large flagpole with a t shape at the top.  On either side is a flag, with the Stars and Stripes in the middle of the t.  One flag is of a maple leaf, seemingly the symbol for JPJ Park  ( a JPJ Park sign on the wrought iron fence around the monument had the leaf).  Couldn’t tell what the third flag was.  But both outside flags were strung up by cables, starting at the base rising to the 30 some odd feet
t
creating the v shape.  Maybe?  The base itself is about 4 feet high where the flagpole is mounted and we noticed that you could actually stand on that thing.
Look down
.  Always haunted me,
look down?  And see simple roots, In rhapsodic man’s soil?
It’s gotta be right here at the base somewhere!
On the east side of this huge base and against it’s wall, I noticed an old styrofoam cooler hidden behind the brush.  I found an unlocked gate in the wrought iron and walked in to take a look.  It contained old stanky water with two bouquetts of flowers that had died many many months ago.  We looked at each other, we didn’t have the 22 steps, we had hoped we had found the v, but gaze north?  We decided that maybe the spot could be at either side of
middle of one branch of the v
, east or west?  Back to the cooler.  What if, and this is a major stretch, someone close to BP who knew The Secret, left those flowers as some kind of memorial right on the x spot.
I know, I know.  We laughed about that too but we were really pressed for time and Fox grabs a stick to start digging.  With that, a public parks worker pulls right up to us in a van, right on the foot path.  We though we we were busted.  We decide quickley to go to this guys and explain what we were doing.  The guy hands us a shovel from the back of the van and said “good luck”.  Fate!  Now it’s gotta be here!  A shovel had just walked up to us.  We got about 2 foot and this guy, Evan, had to go and he took his shovel.  Looking at our watches and a flight to catch, we dug with the stick for another twenty minutes before giving up.  To all of you who had dug before and know about it, we really thought we were going to pull this thing out of the ground.  And that my friends, was fun!  Got some work to do, but I think we’ll get it.  The spot just looks so good to bury something.  Pics to come.

*lol*
I bet Evan was there in Houston at one point looking on as Wilhouse
pondered….
Can’t wait to see the photos.
Good story.  waiting for the happy ending…
Did anything from the image and its details match the
specific monument area??
(Did you stop and hear the whirring?)

so basically you take the twenty two steps, and then from the middle of one branch of the v look down and see the roots and soil?  sounds good
i thought that we all decided that the v was the two cross streets then you take the steps to the monument.
Good Luck, i think you’ve got it.
-regulus

A casque is close to see light…  again.

Just a couple more thoughts:
1. In the shadow of the grey giant: WTC
2. Find the arm that extends over the slender path: Verrazano-
Narrows
Bridge
3.  In Summer you’ll often hear a whirring sound: Helicopter tours
4. Cars abound-Duh it’s a bridge in NYC
Middle part is kinda still evading me.
5. In Rhapsodic man’s soil- Possibly Gershwin Park in Brooklyn.
6. or gaze north
towards
the isle of B. – Block Island discovered by Verrazano.
Just some thoughts.  Need to figure out the middle about Hard word and Natives.

First of all, a warm welcome to Egbert’s co-pilot!
Secondly, a request that someone might post the text of the Bergen article online somewhere which does not require (yet another) registration to read it; perhaps Egbert will add it to his “15 minutes of Fame” directory.
Thirdly, some random thoughts i’ve had in the back of my mind for Verse 10 and NYC.
In summer
You’ll often hear a whirring sound
Cars abound
— I’d really like this to be an amusement park, such as a roller coaster or bumper cars, which is only open in summer (typical of the northeast, i’d imagine).
Indies native
— Think West Indies (or East Indies) instead of Native Americans.
Take twice as many east steps as the hour
Or more
— As the hour of what?  Certainly not the time of day you go to dig!  I did find a town — not in NY, sorry — which had a “Nine o’clock gun” which is a cannon they fire at the same time every day.  I would look for a permanent object like that, or a monument or plaque with a specific hour displayed.
In rhapsodic man’s soil
— Gershwin is the obvious rhapsody guy for NYC.
Toward the isle of B.
— I tried researching the small islands around Manhattan and up the Hudson, but nothing caught my eye.
That’s all for now!  I’m spread pretty thin today, but might be online for brainstorming in a chat later tonight.

Also saw the bergen record article.  congrats from Rochelle park.
I’ll post more, when i have something good to note.

Several more thoughts.  First, the spelling in the verse is “grey” giant, which is more often used in Britain, as opposed to the more American “gray.”  Does this point to someone or something named Grey, or possibly to a site in Canada?
Second, Alexander Hamilton was born in the West Indies.  Here are some signs with his name in New York:
http://www.nycgovparks.org/sub_your_par … p?id=11942
.
http://www.nycgovparks.org/sub_your_par … p?id=11882
.
http://www.nycgovparks.org/sub_your_par … hp?id=8711
.

I’m confused.
We don’t have specific confirmation that there isn’t another gem in Philidelphia, do we?  Just because Image 4 didn’t lead there doesn’t rule it out for  the rest — not unless someone has a communication from the publisher they’d like to share. [Or was this stated in the Bergen article which I still have not accessed?]
And I know there was another post or two that has been deleted in the past day.  Someone had some helpful notes about Gershwin and other amusement parks, but that info is now gone.
And we’ve found 2 casques now, leaving 10.  Just wanted to clarify that dated statement above.

Unknown

Unknown:
I’m confused.
We don’t have specific confirmation that there isn’t another gem in Philidelphia, do we?  Just because Image 4 didn’t lead there doesn’t rule it out for  the rest — not unless someone has a communication from the publisher they’d like to share. [Or was this stated in the Bergen article which I still have not accessed?]

I thought I mentioned it a long time ago, but maybe not.  When I was speaking to BP originally, I told him that I thought there was a gem in Philly.  He said he doesn’t recall hiding one there, but it had been a long time (this conversation was in 1997 I believe).  So, I took that statement “with a grain of salt,” and continued to look for clues in Philly.  But, as it is now becoming clear, BP’s memory was probably correct.  🙁
As for the Bergen Record article, someone just reprinted it in another thread today.  When I have time, I will add it into my own website.

Here is the next part…
I now think it is a mistake in assuming “rhapsodic” in this verse has anything to do with music or a composer.
“rhapsodic” is an adjective describing the “man”.
In it’s literal form I’m now thinking of it as a:  man with great enthusiasm, or who felt great delight based on the definitions
Here are our definitions showing the differences between rhapsodic and rhapsody:
rhapsodic
– Adjective
– feeling great rapture or delight
– extravagantly enthusiastic; ecstatic
– pertaining to, characteristic of, or of the nature or form of rhapsody
rhapsody
– Noun
– Music: an instrumental composition irregular in form and suggestive of improvisation.
– an ecstatic expression of feeling or enthusiasm.
– an epic poem, or a part of such a poem, as a book of the Iliad, suitable for recitation at one time.
– a similar piece of modern literature.
– an unusually intense or irregular poem or piece of prose.
– Archaic: a miscellaneous collection; jumble.
To help with the solve I give you:
James S.T. Stranahan
Here is an excerpt from an historical account relating to
Grand Army Plaza, the entrance to Prospect park
:
As the need for open spaces in Brooklyn increased, the New York State Legislature authorized the City of Brooklyn, in 1859, to select sites for public parks. In 1860 a Parks Commission was created which selected the site for
Prospect Park. The Commission was led by James S.T. Stranahan
(1808–1898), known as
“the Father of Prospect Park.”
Stranahan served as the board’s president for 22 years, and is
honored in Grand Army Plaza with a portrait sculpture
by Frederick MacMonnies (1863–1937) dedicated in 1891.
After serving for 22 years and seeing his efforts brought to fruition,  I am sure the definition would fit this proud park papa.
and paraphrased from his speech at a dinner held in his honor, regarding the park:
I am heartily glad that the opportunity was afforded to me and that the service has been cheerfully rendered. … That it commands your approval is to me a source of great gratification.
If I could get up there I would poke/dig the following area…:
As I mentioned in the prevous post, looking from Grand Army Plaza toward the entrance of the park you can see the
“V”  (a grassy area).
To the left (eastern side) just past the
“Eagle Columns”
you should see the
statue of James S.T. Stranahan
.  The park grounds behind him would be the  “rhapsodic man’s soil”.
Half way on the Left (Eastern) side of the grassy V head due east 22 steps, crossing the road into this area… to the spot.
Oh yeah….and when we gaze north toward the isle of b  (the bailey fountain) what do we also see…
a beautiful arch.

Image 11, Verse 10:
First of all, on the bracelet I read: 42
On the squarish stand thing below center: 83
That gives us Detroit.
Then the text:
*”In the shadow
Of the grey giant”*
Might be the GM Renaissance center…
*”Find the arm that
Extends over the slender path”*
This could be the
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambassador_Bridge
*”In summer
You’ll often hear a whirring sound
Cars abound”*
Cars = Detroit, but also I looked for a race track (whirring of race cars in summer?) and found:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detroit_Be … Grand_Prix
So Belle Isle…
*”Although the sign
Nearby
Speaks of Indies native”*
This marker speaks of the natives, and the siege of Detroit by an Indian called Pontiac:
http://detroit1701.org/Siege%20of%20Det … arker.html
*”The natives still speak
Of him of Hard word in 3 Vols.”*
Don’t know, but Hard is probably a name because it has a capital. 3 volumes could refer to a book in three volumes, but then again it’s abbreviated.
“Take twice as many east steps as the hour
Or more”
The image has a big circle which could be interpreted as a clock using the star and the moon as dials. Perhaps ten o’clock? So twenty steps…
“From the middle of one branch
Of the v”
Looking down from Belle Isle, I find this V, which also looks a bit like the image:
https://www.google.nl/maps/place/GM+Ren … 6eaaa6c110
“Look down
And see simple roots
In rhapsodic man’s soil”
Look down and see simple roots might just be grass. Rhapsodic man’s stumps me. It seems to refer to a composer of sorts?
“Or gaze north
Toward the isle of B.”
Belle Island can be seen to the north.
That’s it for now…

gManTexas

This has been discussed before, but giving steps or paces is a terrible clue due to variations in stride length. It is my sincere hope that the steps are referring to actual steps on a staircase, or more generally city blocks, subway stops, windows in a building, columns, or other well defined increments of some type of object. The other way this works is if you terminate at a physical location or barrier of sorts, so we can rationalize that it may be 22 walking steps for an average person.

The fact that Preiss mentions 22 “or more” indicates to me that he recognized the fact the there would be some variance in the human step and that paces is likely what he is referring too. It is also not the only the puzzle where he indicates steps in the verse. Whether we like it or not, I think we are dealing with human steps here. If it were a staircase, I can’t comprehend the significance of “or more” ( as much as I don’t like it either).
Kang. This brings me to my second point. The frustrating part of potentially identifying a dig spot is having some idea of what to look for. It is cryptic here to say the least. Despite thousands of comments on multiple threads,I have read very few that actually identify a dig spot. My theories in JPJ Park didn’t seem to add up, as each “v” brought you to just another spot of grass. Nothing really unique. At least one branch at Oliver St. yields the same, just grass. The other branch may take you back to the fence on Shore Road. Then what? As variable as 22 steps can be, so also is the “middle of one branch.” So the question for the group, what are people actually hoping to see at the dig spot? I don’t think your going to find a “fence and fixture” in this one.

davinci4

My theories in JPJ Park didn’t seem to add up, as each “v” brought you to just another spot of grass. Nothing really unique. At least one branch at Oliver St. yields the same, just grass. The other branch may take you back to the fence on Shore Road. Then what? As variable as 22 steps can be, so also is the “middle of one branch.” So the question for the group, what are people actually hoping to see at the dig spot? I don’t think your going to find a “fence and fixture” in this one.

Davinci4, whilst I’m not actively looking at verse 10, I have been following the last few posts about it and I’m curious to know if you have any pictures of these “grass” areas you arrive at.

Nothing onsite that I have taken. Just overhead and park views from google maps and google street view.

davinci4

The fact that Preiss mentions 22 “or more” indicates to me that he recognized the fact the there would be some variance in the human step and that paces is likely what he is referring too. It is also not the only the puzzle where he indicates steps in the verse. Whether we like it or not, I think we are dealing with human steps here. If it were a staircase, I can’t comprehend the significance of “or more” ( as much as I don’t like it either).

The “or more” in my mind either accounts for that (not preferred) or that the steps are on a staircase with landings, so you could count 22 physical steps but take more than that with your feet to reach the end.

Hey Davinci, I think you’d be surprised at what can manifest as 22 steps or more in a staircase. One example: two paths converge on a 22 step staircase. One path is more stairs. The other is flat or a slope. From the middle of one branch, you’d have 22 steps. From the other you’d have more. If you look at the Cleveland find, the 7 steps was a mix of landings and stairs. This could easily account for an or more as well in some circumstances. (Akin to what gMan just said) Just wanted to point out that it can work and work well. I’d honestly recommend going to a few parks and really looking at how they do stairs. They’re not always cut and dry flights.
To your second concept: after trying to dig in the vicinity of trees of all sizes, roots are a serious issue. Even with tiny trees that aren’t even that close. I honestly believe that because of this, dig sites will either be a triangulation in an easily digable locale* or a manmade feature.
*doesnt account for new trees of which there are many. Especially where you’re looking.
Edit: I don’t want to come across as trying to sound “wiser” or more aware than you. I only added the “get out there and really pay attention to some stairs” because if this hunt has done anything to my walks around NYC, it’s that I now notice every piece of architecture, every placard, and how paths intertwine. This has helped me greatly in formulating theories using completely unrelated features as inspiration. I can’t tell if this hyper awareness is a good thing yet. There’s so many cool little things out there! Haha

davinci4

Nothing onsite that I have taken. Just overhead and park views from google maps and google street view.

Fair enough, I was thinking over on what else the “v” could be. The thing that popped into my head when you said you get returned to grass areas were things like a “grass
v
erge” or “road
v
erge”:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Road_verge
Just thought if I could see the grass in question and see if it was a verge of some type.

bbi

The thing that popped into my head when you said you get returned to grass areas were things like a “grass
v
erge” or “road
v
erge”:.

This is a kinda cool v-dea. I’d say there’s an abundance of verges in Brooklyn haha. What do you picture a branch of a verge being?

phrabbott

This is a kinda cool v-dea. I’d say there’s an abundance of verges in Brooklyn haha. What do you picture a branch of a verge being?

To be honest it was a passing thought, but something like this image attached shows how that wiki site defines a grass verge as being a grass area with a path one side and a road on the other:

phrabbott

Hey Davinci, I think you’d be surprised at what can manifest as 22 steps or more in a staircase. One example: two paths converge on a 22 step staircase. One path is more stairs. The other is flat or a slope. From the middle of one branch, you’d have 22 steps. From the other you’d have more. If you look at the Cleveland find, the 7 steps was a mix of landings and stairs. This could easily account for an or more as well in some circumstances. (Akin to what gMan just said) Just wanted to point out that it can work and work well. I’d honestly recommend going to a few parks and really looking at how they do stairs. They’re not always cut and dry flights.
To your second concept: after trying to dig in the vicinity of trees of all sizes, roots are a serious issue. Even with tiny trees that aren’t even that close. I honestly believe that because of this, dig sites will either be a triangulation in an easily digable locale* or a manmade feature.
*doesnt account for new trees of which there are many. Especially where you’re looking.
Edit: I don’t want to come across as trying to sound “wiser” or more aware than you. I only added the “get out there and really pay attention to some stairs” because if this hunt has done anything to my walks around NYC, it’s that I now notice every piece of architecture, every placard, and how paths intertwine. This has helped me greatly in formulating theories using completely unrelated features as inspiration. I can’t tell if this hyper awareness is a good thing yet. There’s so many cool little things out there! Haha

You hit the nail on the head here. I also don’t want to come across as “wiser”, but these puzzles are boots on the ground type hunts. Online tools are amazing and certainly have their place, but the real progress happens by walking around, the way BP intended.

Choice

From decoding of the purple panel (instructions posted earlier) the map to the treasure ground shows two routs to the spot. That may explain the “Or more”
i.e. a double staircase with 22 steps on one side and 23 or more on the other.

Someplace similar to:
https://tinyurl.com/y2typevj
https://tinyurl.com/yxt7hw7t
And three domes:
https://tinyurl.com/y4b6z52b
Heard of Prussian blue?

I have been thinking of this method too Choice…
There are a couple of instances in all of the verses where there seems to be a choice. An “or” or other word that doesn’t give a definite singular path. (I’m thinking Charleston verse…)
And there are quite a few of this style of dual staircase leading to the same place. There are a few in Central Park too (I was considering CP as a location for a while).
Good find, even if that location doesn’t yield results.
X

There are overwhelming amount of places in CP and perhaps that’s why BP is quoted to say it’s not in CP. Also I think the red highlight around the rectangle means that it’s not in CP.
The map of the old world in the book and the passage #2 includes north of Poland region which was Prussia. Remember it was Soviet and not Russia in the 80’s.

1. Fort Hamilton is at he foot of the Verrazano Bridge in Brooklyn. Hamilton is from West Indies?  The fort was named for him.
2. Is there a greater grey giant in NYC?
3. “From ther middle of one branch of the v”  (v for Verrazano)
4. rhapsodic man soil?
It all points to the Verrazano.  Linus had mentioned in the image 12 thread that the picture looked like the arches of the bridge.  Couldn’t be more true.  Which side of the bridge?  Towards the isle of B?  Barren Island?  There’s an old airport by the Rockaway called Floyd Bennet Field.  But the verse sounds like it’s near Fort Hamilton, arm over slender path.  Find the Fort Hamilton sign and I think your close.

I’m with you on this one boogieman.  The only question I have is about the 3 Vols. of Hard word….which does seem to fit nicely with Vancouver.

I don’t think the “indies native” sign needs to point or relate to Asimov.
Separately, the two clues indicate that the Slappy’s choice of Prospect park are quite reasonable.
If you think of them as separate clues and separate meanings for the word native in each clue
1.  the sign Nearby Speaks of Indies native    –    There is a sign nearby relating to Native Americans to let you know that you are close.
2. The natives still speak Of him of Hard word in 3 Vols  –  The natives meaning the Current Locals, speak of someone, likely famous, who lived there or did something notable in the local vicinity in the past.  Asimov lived within a block of the park.

That makes perfect sense but how does that relate to Asimov?  Or am I confusing locations now?  Who does the plaque speak of in hard words?

In a NY setting, could “Rhapsodic man’s soil” be “soil of man in blue”?

I think that pleat to the left of the face looking like Roosevelt Island is a fantastic call. I lack the talent to do one of those layovers for comparison purposes. Don’t think anyone has ever done one but I would welcome it. Might prove very telling.
Don’t know if there will be more trips to NY as far as the documentary although, if someone comes up with something significant, I am confident they would always come back to investigate and hopefully unearth a casque.

cw0909

thanks siskel, i always thought Roosevelt Island, looked like the pleat/fold
in the skirt, to the left of the face, will there be another hunt in NYC, b4
the doc film is finished

I never looked at Roosevelt Island before, but now that you mentioned it, Lighthouse Park on the north tip has red retaining walls. I can’t see enough from google and bing maps to see if any of it matches the grey rectangular image with the red border. This definitely requires more investigation.
http://binged.it/1lauOqf

Welcome back, Siskel!
Why are you so quick to dismiss Prospect Park (yet another Frederick Law Olmsted park)? It seems to have a lot going for it.
I think “rhapsodic man” must refer to a specific person, not just any musician — like George Gershwin or (less likely) Freddie Mercury.
The “hard word” quote for Melville is just wonderful. We already know Byron read Melville, and Melville was born in Manhattan, so it’s not unlikely.

Thanks for the welcome back. Means a lot, especially from Forest Blight!!
The dismissal of Propect Park was a difficult one, especially since we all wanted to believe it was there. I wish I could figure out how to upload a few of the pics I took – especially that stained glass in the inside of the top of the gazeebo area nearby the Concert Grove. Admittedly that gazeebo had the right feel and color scheme, and the small circles in the glass had a consistent feel, but as we walked around and covered EVERY area, we all realized that we were trying too hard to make things fit and no real feeling that it was the right place. Having been to Cleveland and seeing first hand how it was hidden there, making the illustration and prose clues fit for Prospect Park was a big time stretch – no real Grey Giant close enough by to consider. The summertime whirring and cars abound was just not there. All the specific signs of Indies Natives and him of Hard Word in 3 Vols were sorely lacking and the physical layout of the Concert Grove area was just not suitable for digging, as was Cleveland and (from what Renner said, after he met with the guys from Chicago) not like the feel from Chicago either. Again, Chicago and Cleveland were very different in that Chicago was an off the beaten path area, while Cleveland was a beautiful public garden. Concert Grove felt more like Cleveland, but once in the Cultural Gardens, everything could be plugged in and it all just fit. There was nothing like that in Prospect Park and I do not believe Byron P would have wasted a single sentence, let alone a single word, in describing exactly what he saw in the area surrounding the specific spot he chose for his burial site. The only other comparison I can make is when I went down to North Carolina two years ago and did a search around Roanoke in the Elizabethean Gardens and, much like Cleveland, I could absolutely place the clues and even got to a specific area that I was almost certain was the site, but I was with my kids, just having fun and had no way to dig that day. For all I know, I could be wrong about the spot in North Carolina, but it just FELT right according to the image AND the prose.
Couple other things I DID forget to mention – his daughters said their dad LOVED Gershwein. He had Rhapsody in Blue and played it ALL the time. Same with his love of Melville (who, as you pointed out, was made use of in the Herman Park verse). With George born in Brooklyn, it made sense that he would be the Rhapsodic man referred to in the verse. We tried to make it fit the many composers busts in Concert Grove, but physically and geographically, standing there taking it all in, it just was not the right spot. His daughters seemded interested when I mentioned ties to the Cainarse Indians, referenced in the book as they remember their dad speaking about that tribe and the area in Brooklyn. That tribe also had ties to Battery Park and Roosevelt Island, though not sure about JPJ Park.
The other thing that remains odd to me about this image is that despite how many incredibly smart folks that have poured over it, no one seems to have found that SPOT in the image that puts you RIGHT THERE. Cleveland had its general area clues (the inverted Tower) and the image of Ohio in the roots. But centered like an X marks the spot was that wall with the columns and you KNEW that was the place where the treasure was buried. You just had to plug in the directions from the verse and you knew exactly where to dig. Similarly, Chicago had that centaur like image that was apparently near by and served as a marker for the fact that you were REALLY close. Even North Carolina has the Island of Roanoke in the stones telling you the area and the quote from the Wright brother memorial about Dauntles and Inconquerable Determination and somewhere buried in that suit of armour is the clue to the exact spot to dig, though it has yet to be determined. So where is the map spot in this image? And where is that visual clue that tells you that you are right there? I don’t think it is the eagle. It might well tie into those darned “color blind” panels, though I cannot believe no one has found the matching stained glass (other than the one suggestion to a church in Boston that I remember someone pointing out years ago and some thought that the same artist might have some glass showings at the museum at the Chyrsler building, if I am remembering correctly). The previous poster pointed out that the folds of the robes look a lot like Roosevelt Island and I can kind of see that. But that clue that gets you to the spot, that place where you can start taking your 22 steps, well it just has not been found yet. Rest assured it is near two signs, one that mentions that Indies native and the other speaking of him of Hard words in three Vols. and it is THAT combination, much like Socrates, Apelles and Pindar’s names all coupled together on that wall in Cleveland, is the formula for finding the NY location.
Sorry for the length of these posts – just had a lot to share with the good and hard working folks on this site, with the hope that it might help someone else and ultimately all of us in the quest to find the next casque.

And a great Bing Map of Roosevelt Island posted by Deusrex. Could the island be said to be in the shadow of the grey giant being the Queensborough Bridge? A look at the map shows that it runs right over the island. Not a lot of sites have that kind of distinction …
My only fear about this island is that it has had tremendous renovation done at the southern tip for the memorial area (where one could arguably stand and gaze north toward the Isle of B (Blackwell’s), if Byron was trying to situate you as to the area on the island where you would want to be. That southern most area was all park, way back when. Could they have, in the immortal words of Joni Mitchell, paved paradise and put up a parking lot?!

Sorry. Lazy moment. Can anyone post or copy link to keywords in Japanese translation for verse 10? Thanks.

davinci4

Sorry. Lazy moment. Can anyone post or copy link to keywords in Japanese translation for verse 10? Thanks.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/0iwjkf088ccpe … 0.jpg?dl=0

Unknown

Unknown:
I didn’t come here on a mission to find friends and impress people I don’t know. I just want to get this puzzle out of my head once and for all!

Ahh, I love the smell of irony in the morning.

Choice

Simple roots
One could interpret simple as ‘elementary’ or child’s play.

NYCNative

Then this poo poo head dude tells me, “it is the high school students! The sign is the Hamilton H.S sign and Dickens is still being read and probably acted in the high school.

Not bad. That or it could be this dude that called me a “poo poo head.”

phrabbott

Not bad. That or it could be this dude that called me a “poo poo head.”

Haha!
Hardwood Johnson the turd!

phrabbott

Not bad. That or it could be this dude that called me a “poo poo head.”

Most of us here have developed thick skin and NYCgnat type insults is like fart in the wind. The collateral damage is the nice people that are not used to rudeness and neanderthal behavior.
I’m still pissed at losing Durian, one of the nicest people you could find on this forum with some great well-thought and researched ideas.

Don’t get me wrong. We are very much so working together. Just some fun jokes–trying to foster a NYC community if you will.
I was under the impression Durian left because they realized they had made a decent public case to dig up a Church and didn’t want people doing that. I think they’ll be back.

Choice

Most of us here have developed thick skin and NYCgnat type insults is like fart in the wind. The collateral damage is the nice people that are not used to rudeness and neanderthal behavior.
I’m still pissed at losing Durian, one of the nicest people you could find on this forum with some great well-thought and researched ideas.

Very well thought out and written, just like most of your post.
I have no idea how or why you are blaming me for Durian leaving. Me and him had civil discussions. My rudeness comes out when people like you just shotgun out “theories” without doing any research and usually connecting things that are not relevant to this puzzle. When you post crap 20 times a day all over the forum, it gets a bit frustrating. Especially when a specific thread is created and you go out of your way to post things that have nothing to do with the thread. That to me is rude behavior.
I mostly ignore you, especially since you have been mentioning me and just begging for my attention. I don’t know if you are seriously autistic or just begging for someone to notice you but you are plenty annoying as a serial poster with crap for brains. You post ten times more then people that have been her twice as long as you and nothing you post is taken seriously (but even a broken clock is right twice a day. Still more then you).
We asked you to stop, we proved how poor your theories and ideas are, I ignore you, and yet you still keep trolling in your own retarded way. You are extremely delusional and obviously very lonely. Since I know how useless you really are the best solution is just to block you and keep it moving, which I should of done in the first place.
Good luck snowflake. Sorry I made you cry

phrabbott

Don’t get me wrong. We are very much so working together. Just some fun jokes–trying to foster a NYC community if you will.
I was under the impression Durian left because they realized they had made a decent public case to dig up a Church and didn’t want people doing that. I think they’ll be back.

Wait…Durian is that guy with that Albatross theory and the Church in S.I?
Yeah, that guy was just full of great ideas!!
Good riddance.
I didn’t come here on a mission to find friends and impress people I don’t know. I just want to get this puzzle out of my head once and for all!

Keep digging deeper soyboy.

I know the 59th street bridge had a park under it. We used to play stick ball there when I was a kid. There is also a heliport nearby but the Rhapsodic man’s soil is the thing that is throwing me the most. Looks like I will have to investigate a little more.

It’s a great sign, though I still don’t see how you can look north towards the Isle of B this far north…

WhiteRabbit

It’s a great sign, though I still don’t see how you can look north towards the Isle of B this far north…

My guess right now is that the clock has nothing to do with the hunt, it’s just a good (confusing) find. The “Indies” sign, however, I believe, is the sign that is “nearby.” Interestingly, running north along Broad St., I can find most of the images from the picture (eagle, woman, window, etc.). What makes you think the “isle (not capitalized) of B.” is an actual island? Have you seen the subway sign down the stairs of the Brooklyn Tunnel ventilation building subway stairs? The one next to the NYANA (Russian ref.?)?

I remember having something like that around 1980. A mirror in a box type thing.

More thoughts to ponder. Still thinks it’s FDR face if you took a picture of the bust looking down on it at an angle. Unless you all have a better interpretation. Also “in the shadow of the grey giant “ could refer to the grey building on the other side of Main street where you enter Firefighters field from the west side.

the grey giants are grey peak and asa gray. its a tiger.

While I was fiddling with some spreadsheets, I did come up with the following by taking the first and last letter of each word in the lines, and then anagramming:
intesw = in west
of te gy gt = of egg tt (is the West Egg From the Great Gatsby around that part?)
fdteamtt = t famed tt
esortesrpt  = s ports trees
insr = in sr
ylonhrawgsd = as long dr why
csad = as dc
ahtesn = Athens
NY
ssofisne = foss in es
tensslsk = nests lks
ofhmofwdin3vs = now 3 of his f md v
teteasmyetssastehr =  east street them says
orme = Rome
fm te me of oe bh = meet home of  hbf
oftev = of vet
lkdn = lk dn
adsesets = e dates ss
inrcmssl = missn rcl
orgenh = hero gn
td te ie of B = Bette id  of
vist a location e of fifth by oo (Taking the first letter of each line and all the captial letters)
Thought this might help — it seemed a little less than random, and the system also works with the other verses including the intro
Any thoughts?

forest_blight

Boogie, I have found that if you stand far enough back, turn your monitor 43 degrees left, jump up and down, hum the theme to Starsky and Hutch as loud as you can, and imbibe spirits… you can see Churchill Downs in her dress.

Well, I saw Winston Churchill naked and dropped a bottle of Irish whiskey on my toe.  Thanks alot!

in the verse the “v” isn’t capitalized, it’s a little “v”
on the plaque is it capitalized?

I’ve posted many times that, if you stand back from the computer just a little, with the full image12 on the screen, you will see clear shadows at her armpits.  From her right armpit is a #5 or an S.  Her left armpit is either a #1 or the letter I.  51 or S.I. for Staten Island.  I bet it is S.I.      No “visual” v on her at all FB.

forest_blight

Boogie, I have found that if you stand far enough back, turn your monitor 43 degrees left, jump up and down, hum the theme to Starsky and Hutch as loud as you can, and imbibe spirits… you can see Churchill Downs in her dress.

Repeat after me….. Mint Julips.

slappybuns

in the verse the “v” isn’t capitalized, it’s a little “v”
on the plaque is it capitalized?

On the plaque… ‘Navy’

thank you trohn
the only 2 fair folks that pertain directly to russia are the devil dogs and the tax burden.  the tax burden could mean anything to do with hamilton.
the devil dog had me stumped, there is a snack called devil dogs  and they are made by the drake company in wayne, nj, ( along with ring dings, that are pictured w/ the devil dogs, p. 84)15 miles from manhattan, but…… the marines are also called “devil dogs” and marine can mean anything pertaining to the sea…….and jpj was the father of the navy
so ….lol, that’s all i’ve got,
oh, i do like this too:
Many New York City Subway stations are decorated with colorful ceramic plaques and tile mosaics. Of these, many take the form of signs, identifying the station’s location.
and to go to fort hamilton, they are yellowish beige like in the pic:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ft_Ha … nkbone.JPG

Boogie, I have found that if you stand far enough back, turn your monitor 43 degrees left, jump up and down, hum the theme to Starsky and Hutch as loud as you can, and imbibe spirits… you can see Churchill Downs in her dress.

Unknown

Unknown:
in the verse the “v” isn’t capitalized, it’s a little “v”

So…then it’s a Wee Vee?
Weevy?
http://ifhf.brsgenealogy.com/surnames.php?surname=WEEVY
Maybe one branch of this family…?
Okay….it’s a stretch.

Doghousereiley

Thank you for the input
Is there anything else in Boston public garden powered by humans? I dont suppose a lot of bicycles are in the park
Also is there a statue with an out stretched arm over a slender path?

This corner statue might fit the bill. Angel’s wings are similar to the woman’s hair. Also arm stretched.
https://friendsofthepublicgarden.org/wh … -fountain/
https://tinyurl.com/y25nzl66
Use this link to do a walkthrough:
https://tinyurl.com/yy6bvr4y

Doghousereiley

My only hope is that in 1982 the swan boats were louder

Unfortunately for the theory, they have always been nearly silent. I’ve been a Boston area resident for over five decades, first rode the swan boats in the early 1970s.

Thank you for the input
Is there anything else in Boston public garden powered by humans? I dont suppose a lot of bicycles are in the park
Also is there a statue with an out stretched arm over a slender path?

out stretched arm –
https://images.fineartamerica.com/image … vitali.jpg

My 2 cents: why are we re ordering the verses? Why are we scrutinizing the rest of the book which is not needed? Why are we trying to reinvent the wheel?

fox

My 2 cents: why are we re ordering the verses? Why are we scrutinizing the rest of the book which is not needed? Why are we trying to reinvent the wheel?

It’s because our car only has two tires.

drunknerds

It’s because our car only has two tires.

And one of those 2 tires (the Cleveland find) was done just as we are working on the rest. Many years of research have gone into this hunt and thanks to those years of research, we found one of our 2 tires.

fox

And one of those 2 tires (the Cleveland find) was done just as we are working on the rest. Many years of research have gone into this hunt and thanks to those years of research, we found one of our 2 tires.

Hey, I mean, I’m with you: I’m only interested in solves that lean heavily on photo matches of a possible dig site. I’m just postulating why others often diverge from paradigms.

I have some lug nuts to show you.
Using the 9 o’clock gun in Stanley Park, then twice as many gives you 18 east steps.

I also think this depends on what the actual things in the image ARE. Is that really the Statue of Liberty? Is that REALLY Ellis Island? I don’t think they are exact. I think they are pieces/parts mashed together. If they are only similar, then maybe we don’t need to see the harbor from afar.
yes and no
I don’t believe the ellis island connection but
I do believe that is undoubtedly the face of the SOL. look at chicago, the water tower is close enough to be indisputeably identifiable, but still it is not exact.
I need to find a better photo, because this one is from a different angel but I think it is a mash-up of the SOL. If you take this photo and add the same hairline, it works. Of course, I’ve come to learn that people see what they want to see, including me. I was skeptical about this at first but the shadow under the nose is created by the veil, which disturbs the shadow of her lips.
https://imgur.com/3RTxu8F

fox

And one of those 2 tires (the Cleveland find) was done just as we are working on the rest. Many years of research have gone into this hunt and thanks to those years of research, we found one of our 2 tires.

Heck, we could probably do better by throwing darts at a map while blindfolded at this point.

karleen

I also think this depends on what the actual things in the image ARE. Is that really the Statue of Liberty? Is that REALLY Ellis Island? I don’t think they are exact. I think they are pieces/parts mashed together. If they are only similar, then maybe we don’t need to see the harbor from afar.

yes and no
I don’t believe the ellis island connection but
I do believe that is undoubtedly the face of the SOL. look at chicago, the water tower is close enough to be indisputeably identifiable, but still it is not exact.
I need to find a better photo, because this one is from a different angel but I think it is a mash-up of the SOL. If you take this photo and add the same hairline, it works. Of course, I’ve come to learn that people see what they want to see, including me. I was skeptical about this at first but the shadow under the nose is created by the veil, which disturbs the shadow of her lips.
https://imgur.com/3RTxu8F

I never understood the Ellis Island connection, except for the red rectangle. The eagle, not so much. The face is for sure the statue of liberty, which is just the obvious clue that the image is for NYC. Perhaps the onion domes is governors Island or the orthodox church in Brooklyn, I think the later. The outline of the park isn’t open to as much interpretation as saying it looks like Manhattan, or Brooklyn, Or SI. It is an exact match (one of the only one found yet). Everything else we found could be or might not be matches. I try not to swing into the confirmation bias side of things.

NYCNative

I never understood the Ellis Island connection, except for the red rectangle. The eagle, not so much. The face is for sure the statue of liberty, which is just the obvious clue that the image is for NYC. Perhaps the onion domes is governors Island or the orthodox church in Brooklyn, I think the later. The outline of the park isn’t open to as much interpretation as saying it looks like Manhattan, or Brooklyn, Or SI. It is an exact match (one of the only one found yet). Everything else we found could be or might not be matches. I try not to swing into the confirmation bias side of things.

For me the Ellis connection is the bird’s head, which is a great match to my eyes. I obviously could be seeing with my heart, but we got really calibrated to notice differences in the bird head by comparing it to the Chrysler building. So when that Ellis Island eagle came along, it was a super-influential clue:

NYCNative

yes and no
I don’t believe the ellis island connection but
I do believe that is undoubtedly the face of the SOL. look at chicago, the water tower is close enough to be indisputeably identifiable, but still it is not exact.

I need to find a better photo, because this one is from a different angel but I think it is a mash-up of the SOL. If you take this photo and add the same hairline, it works. Of course, I’ve come to learn that people see what they want to see, including me. I was skeptical about this at first but the shadow under the nose is created by the veil, which disturbs the shadow of her lips.
https://imgur.com/3RTxu8F

I never understood the Ellis Island connection, except for the red rectangle. The eagle, not so much. The face is for sure the statue of liberty, which is just the obvious clue that the image is for NYC. Perhaps the onion domes is governors Island or the orthodox church in Brooklyn, I think the later. The outline of the park isn’t open to as much interpretation as saying it looks like Manhattan, or Brooklyn, Or SI. It is an exact match (one of the only one found yet). Everything else we found could be or might not be matches. I try not to swing into the confirmation bias side of things.
sorry about this. Starting with “I never understood the Ellis Island Connection”……..that is from MaltedFalcon. Not me. I was unable to quote this properly. Anyway,
Please see the image where I refer to the SOL

drunknerds

For me the Ellis connection is the bird’s head, which is a great match to my eyes. I obviously could be seeing with my heart, but we got really calibrated to notice differences in the bird head by comparing it to the Chrysler building. So when that Ellis Island eagle came along, it was a super-influential clue:

while an eagle and the same art deco style, the brow, the eye , the rear of the head, just doesn’t match. yes it is in the same style, and my guess is that when the eagle is found it will come from the same time period.

maltedfalcon

while an eagle and the same art deco style, the brow, the eye , the rear of the head, just doesn’t match. yes it is in the same style, and my guess is that when the eagle is found it will come from the same time period.

MF. I hope you saw my post about with the correction and an imgur link. I was unable to quote it properly.
Regardless, I think the bird is three (or more) things put together. Ellis Island head, duck or gull body and the tail feathers seem architectural. Taking my cue from the Cleveland Painting, where the Face, helmet, hand, cup and tail are taken from separate landmarks and assembled to be the centaur. Thoughts?

karleen

MF. I hope you saw my post about with the correction and an imgur link. I was unable to quote it properly.
Regardless, I think the bird is three (or more) things put together. Ellis Island head, duck or gull body and the tail feathers seem architectural. Taking my cue from the Cleveland Painting, where the Face, helmet, hand, cup and tail are taken from separate landmarks and assembled to be the centaur. Thoughts?

Agreed it’s not 100%. But what is 100% is the unusual shape of the top of the beak, and the tongue, and the bottom of the beak. For me, that’s more than enough to put this beyond geometrical coincidence.
Yeah, I think this is it.
Plus, we’ve been using the internet to look at things for 15 years now… it’s far more likely that any image matches are part of chimeras than there is an exact, piece-by-piece match out there and we’ve all just missed it.

The bird in image 12 has a few different elements, and many possible matches, in my eyes. We can compare it to the Chrystler building, or the Ellis Island, or the Alexander Hamilton eagle, and so on.
This is a broad thought on them all, but all the images are usually an exact match for the iconic monument or marker we find at the site of the casque. I don’t see that with any of these theories because the birds head, alone, is oddly shaped. Then the body looks a lot like a seagull(maybe not the wings, I think those look more like the eagle). I think the bird in image 12 is not something we are going to find on the ground, rather a suggestion, or an image within an image.
**Sorry, while I posted this, others posted the same sort of thought! Great minds, eh

boogie, you don’t have to get out your book, lol.
i’m just hoping that something in there will help with the spot.
in all the images of the fair folks, (that i think pertain to this one), have loops somewhere in the picture.
the mugwumps have a picture of this gavel, with a loop in the middle of the gavel and this guy being held up with cables, and the tax burden guy is tied with loops, and then it mentioned on one of them “a loophole”. just seemed there might be something to it.  i was thinking maybe where leif ericson drive looped over (or under) the verrazano.
but mostly, i’m just hoping something i say helps you in your hunt

Thanks slappy.  Can’t find that darn book.  Hope it didn’t make it’s way to the attic.

just curious, how much snow is on the ground in Manhattan right now…

MrSeabass

None; I’m there right now and the slush from this morning is gone.

Are you there to dig?

MrSeabass

Edit: I never bothered much with the NYC solve as it doesn’t interest me.

Which one does, and why that one(s)? and why not NYC?

anus905

you realize the v at this park that i identified and already dug plexiglass is in the painting….right? …right? XD
i mean you can keep deleting the thread but that doesnt change anything.

Pictures or it didn’t happen.

just look at where i told you to look in the painting…

NYCNative

I would check your research on that. There are many places in Brooklyn name after Hamilton, and the theory of the high school has been pretty well debunked. I also never subscribed to that theory.

lmao. never listen to this guy.

…

davinci4

Hello. Just thinking more about the V. It’s an excellent point that it likely runs in a N-S, S-N configuration. The former V in front of Fort Hamilton high school makes it a strong contender. I have always liked the Fort Hamilton park location but it lacks the V that would fit the criteria. Any other Vs we are missing in Brooklyn?

you realize the v at this park that i identified and already dug plexiglass is in the painting….right? …right? XD
i mean you can keep deleting the thread but that doesnt change anything.

http://www.script-o-rama.com/movie_scri … cript.html
no mention of rhapsodic man…

Hi, a newbie here. I’ve been focusing on this one and I had a thought.
A) I agree w the above that it’s at FH HS. Here’s why:
B) the verse says “him of Hard word in 3 Vols.”
– referring to
KNOX
. As in the nearby sign says Hamilton (as in fort), but “natives” still speak of Knox, as in:
* Fort Knox,
* him of Hard KNOCKS (play on words – school of hard knocks : fort Hamilton High school).
* In 3 vols refers to the Knox Bible, which was published in 3 volumes.
Also a sly reference to the “treasure” at Ft Knox.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knox_Bible
Multiple plays on words here.
Thoughts?

Say, do you guys think it’s important that “him of Hard word” is related in some way to the Indies native? I was just thinking about that. Seems silly even in a puzzle to be like, “Though the sign speaks of Winston Churchill, the natives still speak of Eli Manning.”
And that’s how I feel some of the prevailing theories come across so far.
Was also thinking it is possible to read it as him of Hard word BEING the Indies native with a little more descriptor (Hard word) + how the natives speak of him (3 Vols.)

FIRST THE BACKGROUND
Ok, I’ve got a SIMPLE, FULL solution to the 10/12 combination— ie: NY— With several potential deciphered points I have not seen mentioned before on this or any other wiki. THREE or FOUR points involve local Bay Ridge, NY USA POIs, and seem to be too specific and simple for chance occurrence— But hey, I’m sure everyone thinks that about their current “pet” solution.
I want to emphasize the word SIMPLE above— In many ways the 10/12 combo (if truly associated) presents the sparsest verse and the simplest imagery of all of BPs ciphers.
In light of the EXISTING two solutions, I’m not convinced ANY of the verse/painting combos are very complicated, but are more rebus-like, with clues and answers staring the puzzle-solver right in the face.
But to decipher, one must “know” the local area, like a guitarist “knows” the fretboard.
This suggests a simple solution, requiring no gps, no hidden words, no obscure historical references beyond the general knowledge of a High School student.
Although I’ve walked my solution route twice, I need a bit of free time (4 or 5 hours within a weekend before the middle of June 2019) when I plan to probe my proposed cache site with a 1/8” diameter, 3ft length fibrous rod to see if I hit pay-dirt (or in this case pay-plastic 😉
But in the mean time… Let me start by posting one of my three or four newly interpreted details for comment:
NOW THE GOOD STUFF
4 assumptions about what’s in BP’s verse/clues:
1) Single Capital Letters are replaced by proper names
— ie: Where M and B are set in stone
— From solution to 10/12, Mozart and Bethoven are the “M” and “B”
2) Capital Letters at start of words indicate a word or phrase that has double or triple meaning determined by context
— ie: And to Congress R is known
— From solution to 10/12, Congress represents a street and the governing body
— From solution to 10/12, R (Roosevelt) is known to both the street and Gov
3) Important words, or stanzas, not just capitalized words, may be replaced by locations or objects determined by context, double meaning, or possibly rhyme
— ie: From solution to 10/12, The whole stanza is made up of individual points
— ie: From solution 10 10/12, The points represent an area, or waypoint on a route
4) It’s important to substitute-decipher AND LITERALLY clarify in context of the individual stanza given substitutions
— ie: After deciphering Roosevelt and Congress, attach appropriate clarification to make specific
— ie: R is a representation of a person aka a STATUE in this case and Congress is a STREET
— This is important as you are contextually “filling in the holes” presented by the general outline of the “rebus”
5) Text representation of Cardinal and Ordinal numbers are not used consistently through all 12 verses, but in all cases are used as numbers not signs or objects
— ie: Beneath two countries
— From solution 4/4, 2 flags in total number representing two countries
Now, Let’s look at this specific piece of verse:
Although the sign
Nearby
Speaks of Indies native
The natives still speak
Of him of Hard word in 3 Vols.
Deciphered line by line:
Although the sign
— double meaning, “sign” as in placard & “sign” as in “talisman”
— Hamilton HS signage seen from Narrows Blvd, Expressway, Shore Rd and Promenade
Nearby
— Word is significant because it stands alone
— Cache is not physically near the sign, but can be seen from the path to cache site
— Implies there are MULTIPLE signs which reference the SAME clue near the cache
— Some signs may be very close to the cache, some slightly further away
Speaks of Indies native
— Hamilton, for all reasons previously discussed in wiki
The natives still speak
— Double or even Triple meaning
— “natives” as in Hamilton HS students, Bay Ridge residents, or NY/USA citizens
— “still speak” referring to a historical figure studied or relied on today
Of him of Hard word in 3 Vols.
— “Of him” no Cap Letter in “him” ie: No substitution, we are still referring to Hamilton
— “of Hard word” with Cap Letter in “Hard” ie: substitution is implied, use word “solid” or “firm” or any of the synonyms. See additional comments below*
—“in 3” simply the total number of objects associated with next reference, ie “Vols.”
— “Vols.” with Cap Letter ie: substitution is implied, use word “books,” “documents,” or “papers”
So we are left with..
The still speak
Of Hamilton’s word in 3
As every US High School student learns (or used to learn back in BP and my day ;-)—Alexander Hamilton was THE author of THE three LEGAL documents of the United States of America:
The Founding documents of the United States of America
1) US Constitution
2) Federalist Papers, originally published in two Volumes
Comments?
FINALLY JUST AN END NOTE
As I mentioned above, I have a complete solution to the 10/12 combo. It might be fun if anyone is local in Bay Ridge or Brooklyn to meet up and discuss the search over a beer.
If anyone has any interest PM me.
In any case I’ll post a pdf of my complete solution sometime at the end of June.
Cheerio.
* ALL the synonyms below imply the word “FOUNDATIONAL” to me
From Google:
Hard
solid, firm, and rigid; not easily broken, bent, or pierced.
synonyms: firm, solid, dense, rigid, stiff, resistant, unbreakable, inflexible, unpliable, impenetrable, unyielding, solidified, hardened, compact, compacted, steely, tough, strong, stony, rocklike, flinty, close-packed, compressed, as hard as iron, as hard as stone; frozen; rareadamantine, unmalleable, renitent

rabidrabbit

4 assumptions about what’s in BP’s verse/clues:
1) Single Capital Letters are replaced by proper names
— ie: Where M and B are set in stone
— From solution to 10/12, Mozart and Bethoven are the “M” and “B”
2) Capital Letters at start of words indicate a word or phrase that has double or triple meaning determined by context
— ie: And to Congress R is known
— From solution to 10/12, Congress represents a street and the governing body
— From solution to 10/12, R (Roosevelt) is known to both the street and Gov

rabidrabbit, I REALLY like where you’re going with this. Your method of arriving at the answer would seem to rely on correct interpretation of your founding assumptions – some of which are below.
Just trying to be helpful as I’d like you to arrive at your correct answer. So you may want to consider the following. If the hints in the Japanese book are correct and to be believed, the “R” may not refer to Roosevelt.
Clues from the Japanese book: (as heard in the audio of the translation conversation kindly posted by burnstyle).
“M and B” – These are the initials of two people. I asked Mr Preiss, what do they do, and he said both of them are very famous song composers.
“Congress” – When I asked Mr Preiss, he said that this is a proper noun.
“R / L” – This R and L are also referring to people.
According to Preiss, R and L refer to one person, and it’s a critical politician.
R = popular interpretation seems to be that this is a reference to Roosevelt. But that doesn’t quite fit the Japanese book clue as Lincoln and Roosevelt are different people.
An interpretation that might be a better fit:
R = Republican. A Republican would be ‘known’ to Congress. Lincoln was certainly a critical politician and the first Republican President and thus L and R refer to a single person.
So – are the Japanese hints accurate? No idea. If they are, Republican would seem a better fit. Not sure if that alters/expands your thinking at all about your method, just throwing it out there so you can decide. Good luck and Happy Hunting!

Egbert

I offer again the Fraunces Tavern sign referring to Indies native Samuel Fraunces.

Egbert

Dante’s Park is an interesting find. I like the 3 volumes.

Yeah, it’s pretty good.
Re: Dante, his statue kind of reminded me of the possible face in the cape.

I think Egbert was correct when he identified the 3 granite slab Harding Memorial which has his speech on two of the slabs and his name and face profile on the third. He is being remembered by the Kiwanis organization. This satisfies the lines perfectly, “the natives still remember him of Hard word in 3 vol.”, volumes simply being 3 granite blocks.

If we’re back to talking about the Battery, there’s also a plaque on the side of the Museum of the American Indian with a Warren Harding quote. It’s dedicated to the Merchant Marine. But that doesn’t really help with 3 Vols, which might be the most maddening of these clues.
I also thought it might’ve been talking about the three-floor Webster Hall, but apparently it was more of a Greek social club in 1981 instead of the popular nightclub it is today…

Vol is also what they call the University of Tennessee football team…the ‘VOLS” its also the nickname for Tennessee…hmmm…possible connection there…got my book and my group is working on this along with the whistle pig…Good luck everyone!

Opal
Opaline
“O Pauline”
Pauline Johnson wrote a poem titled “In the Shadows”. I believe this is a good lead.

Funny.
My post is for the benifit of looking at some wordplay that may be evident such as the half man half horse idea for “cleave” (to split in two) + land, or the asterism in the image 6 sapphire along with aster flowes and even the Florida shape may be a hint for Easter (E + aster). Question here is whether “opaline”, the adjective based on opal could support any direct or one-off references.
Mr. Seabass, you can have your fun in all kinds of ways, but wouldnt you prefer to help in someway, rather than playing the total fool?

Im trying to solve the puzzle. Are you?

rabidrabbit

It’s NOT the SPOT, It’s HOW I GET THERE that I think board members will appreciate.

Please do! I think that a pdf showing your working out and thought patterns across the whole image-verse connection is vastly more valuable than bits and pieces. There may not be a casque at the bottom of your hole, but the story is always interesting!
Good luck with your dig, and can’t wait to hear about the adventure.
XdM

I wonder if the whirring is the sound of the Captain Jacks Stronghold Substation, part of the Path 66 power cable network.  I see it started in the 70’s but I don’t know how infrastructure was handled or added after 1980.  The Native Modocs were defeated by a 1000 man unit after the fatal shooting of General Canby.
I have another idea about whirring and rhapsodic pertaining to an industrial sewing facility.  In 1979 the Tulegoose Pillow and Comforter company started up in the Tule Lake area.  Maybe that is too newly established.

Going back to the Camp Amache site near Granada, CO, I thought I’d apply the Sun shadow idea Maltedfalcon gave me.
Just deciding what date to apply to the 6 o’clock reference I first considered Pearl Harbor but then I went with Summer Solstice in 1980 and discovered that the angle of the Sun at 6pm is about 24 degrees elevation and 282 degrees azimuth.  The interesting thing about this is that a shadow will be cast
Eastward
and an object of height X will be about twice-X in length.  This rouses attention to the line
Take twice as many east steps as the hour
.  The memorial stone that I happen to think reminds me of the shape of the woman’s neck line and overall robe length from top to bottom is about 6 feet tall…so 12 steps east?

This is an interesting find, again looking at Granada, CO.  There is a map engraved on a wood plank that shows how the houses were arranged in lettered blocks.  Comparing that with an aerial and extrapolating out to the memorial stone where I just based some sun shadow observations actually fits perfectly with the last two lines of verse:
Or gaze north
Toward the isle of B.
The red arrow is pointing north, notice the B-Block, is this the B-Aisle?

Has anyone poked around yet?

Quick note, the rhapsodic man’s soil line seems like a good hint for a place involving the name George.
I wonder if this works for Lord George Stephen, or King George III, who entered the Proclamation of 1763, saying Native lands would no longer be sold without permission.

I like this take on the “v”.  You may even try walking from west to east along the “v” with a compass until the gazebo is due north.  Hopefully something at the spot will stand out. The real downer is that there appears to be a big fence complete with barb wire to keep people from getting near that “v.”  Was it there in the 1982?  Not sure who we can ask about that.

There have been temporary fences on and off for years.  This fence is due to construction to the upper roadways of the bridge, designed to keep people from getting “stuff” dropped on them.  BTW, this support v has been discussed and dismissed a few times.  Personnally, I’m stuck on
the arm that extends over the slender path
.  To me, there can be no other location in the world than this one.  The verse doesn’t take us far from the foot of it.  We can make the verse fit into many other places (kind of), but with the grey giant (Tower Two), and the outline of the bridge, plus the Narrows Inlet, I’m digging here.

The Pauline Johnson book, Legends of Vancouver, brought to my attention the neighborhood known as Point Grey just west of Kitsilano “Kits” where the Gate sculpture is located. In her telling of the Native legend titled “Point Grey”, which immediately follows a sentence about a “shadow”, she talks about a large rock that sits off the shore named Homolsom. It was once a powerful god who controlled the winds and water off the Vancouver coast. This is the most literal fit I can find for the first two lines.

Maybe the woman in the image is the “grey giant”. The verse tells us to look “in the shadow” which is Prospect Park. So maybe we need to look for the arm that extends to narrow it down. A bridge? Something over a path? I like my Concert Grove idea but I’m keeping an open mind.

I was looking at bridges before I found Lookout Hill.
Look down and see simple roots
could be referring to the low down “nature carvings” in the stonework. There was one back near the Lincoln statue that I found but not enough resolution. Look down could also be from a bridge. There is one called Cleftridge near Concert Grove which has a carving. Also a good place to hide. I found this a good description:
http://forgotten-ny.com/2001/08/the-bri … pect-park/

wheres the location you think it is?

JoshCornell

wheres the location you think it is?

spelled out in depth on the facebook page…

maltedfalcon

spelled out in depth on the facebook page…

Some of us dont use Facebook

Just posted my complete theory (including dig spot) on the FB NY page
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1585776 … oup_header

according to the definition of rhapsodic that i found, he seemed to fit the bill…it doesen’t necessarily have to do exclusively with music, even though we all equate it to be that way from …say…”rhapsody in blue”

there is a possibility the casque was buried in some park-like area to the west of the Staten Island St. George terminal in 1982…where the isle of B is the isle of Bayonne. The problem is that if this was so, in 1999 the entire north shore was razed to make way for Richmond County Stadium and includes a massive parking lot, along with an entire resculpting of the esplanade. Any landmarks are probably gone. Further, Hamilton Avenue would intersect nicely with a potential location. I’ve been looking for a 1980s-1990s map of the area but nothing has turned up. Also as far as this verse links to image 12 – the silhouetted orthodox spires are most likely Ellis Island.

The spires on Ellis Island are all the same
The spires in Image 12 are all different

khabarta

there is a possibility the casque was buried in some park-like area to the west of the Staten Island St. George terminal in 1982…where the isle of B is the isle of Bayonne.

What “isle of Bayonne”? Bayonne, New Jersey is on a peninsula.

It appears that this Verse has come down to either New York or Montreal.  I will just “throw out there” some ideas that I recall were kicked around some time ago, one of them by my friend Siskel:
Although the sign
Nearby
Speaks of Indies native
Probably a reference to Alexander Hamilton, a native of the West Indies.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Hamilton
The natives still speak
Of him of Hard word in 3 Vols.
Siskel came up with Charles Dickens, who wrote Hard Times, which is composed of 3 books.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_Times
So, find 2 plaques/monuments/statues relating to these 2 guys in New York or Montreal.  Go!
(there is a monument to Hamilton’s duel with Burr in Weehauken, NJ, which is near Ellis Island)

Wow. I like the Charles Dickens idea.  I would pursue it if I wasn’t fully commited to the Warren G. Harding in Stanley Park theory.  Also the Duel has been something in the back of my mind every time I see the line from verse 6, “between two arms extended”.

I spent many hours on the internet looking at Stanley Park, Warren Harding, etc.  However, it appears that Image 9 is Montreal and Image 12 is New York.  There really is not much doubt about it at this point.  So, I think it is just a coincidence that there is a Harding memorial in Vancouver.  There are no more Images left for Vancouver, IMHO.

I’m satisfied with the poetic reference by P.J. (her initials in the X square on image 9’s lapel) and her poem “In the Shadows”.  I’m solidly convinced by the Gateway to the Northwest Passage as a match to the Legeaters border.  I’m 100% inclined to think the Montreal based clues are correctly identified for the reason that they apply to the railway and the expansion of the forrest industry.  Trees are giants, trees are shade, wood builds shelters.  I think ts important to recognize what is meant by “shining shifting smoke”.
The LotJ gives a clue in what to look for or let guide your focus when searching for meaning to the verse/image pair.  The line that fits gives us opal, Dutch, gnomes, and cloud.  The result is from etymology: cloud = clud/clot/clog.  This gives some heavy variation to play with, from cumulus nimbus to large rocks to stopped pipes to dancing shoes made of wood.

This is an idea I had a while back. Wanted to repost with some changes for critique.
Verse 10 and image 12.
I think the griffin and the crown in the water tells us Kings, Brooklyn.
“In the shadow
Of the grey giant”
Standing under the Soldiers and Sailors monument at the entrance to Prospect Park you are literally in its shadow.
“Find the arm that
Extends over the slender path”
On both sides inside the monument are Lincoln and Grant. Grant’s arm is bent while Lincoln’s is extended. We can possible say the slender path is the one Lincoln’s horse is on in the etching or the path through the monument. Anyhow this makes us look at Lincoln and his arm. Now “find” Lincoln. He is in Prospect Park.
“In summer
You’ll often hear a whirring sound
Cars abound”
The monument is surrounded by roads and cars.
“Although the sign
Nearby
Speaks of Indies native”
I’m not sure about this. There’s possibly a sign referencing natives of the land or maybe we need to break down this line more. There may be a sign entering the park or inside the park as another confirmer to go that way.
“The natives still speak
Of him of Hard word in 3 Vols.”
I think this refers to Lincoln again and to find him in Prospect Park.
“Take twice as many east steps as the hour
Or more”
Once you find Lincoln’s statue you use this part of the verse.
So decoding the verse correctly is supposed to give us an exact location to dig. There’s no denying that for all the verses. So for this one we are to stand in a certain spot and “Take twice as many east steps as the hour”. We should follow that exact number and not deviate from the instructions. So I asked myself, why “Take twice as many east steps as the hour OR MORE”? “Or more” can be 1 more step or 50 more steps. That would take us out of the dig area and veer away from precise instructions. So I looked into it. If you stand at the Lincoln statue in Concert Grove and “Take twice as many east steps as the hour” (that being 22 steps due to the 11 o’clock in the pic), you will line up with another statue to the north. That statue just so happens to be Thomas Moore! So I came to the conclusion that this part of the verse is telling us to go east 22 steps from Lincoln
OR
go east until you line up with Moore (Or more). Considering everyone’s steps are different, this could be a reference that we are lined up in the correct spot after taking the steps.
“From the middle of one branch
Of the v”
Following the 22 step/Moore route you will be standing near the middle of one of the walkways in Prospect Park. And conveniently it is one arm of a “V” shaped sidewalk! These sidewalks are also round bricks like the stones in the window of the pic.
“Look down
And see simple roots
In rhapsodic man’s soil”
Of all the statues in Concert Grove, most of them are composers. And “Concert” Grove? Sounds like rhapsodic mans soil to me.
“Or gaze north
Toward the isle of B.”
An isle is a small island. North of Prospect Park is Belmont Island in the East River. A very small island. Some think this is wrong since you can’t actually see the island. But it says to “gaze toward” it not “see” it. I think this is another confirmer that we’re in the right location since the island is north of the park.
So to sum up, I think we need to dig at the point where we are in line with the Lincoln and Moore statues next to one arm of the V. I could be way off base here but it can’t hurt to throw ideas out there right?

.

I have liked this location too. I think nearer the Lincoln statue border. Grieg is too out in the open so on your map the spot near the middle red dot on your map above would put you in the border and on a corner behind the stonework. Is that then 22 steps from Lincoln?

While I like the tie-ins at the end of the Verse (the V, the Moore statue, the tiles, rhapsodic man’s soil, and the isle of B), there are too many things you have “skipped over,” in my mind.
How is Lincoln “him of Hard word in 3 Vols.”:? (As I said above, my guess is that this is a reference to Dickens)
The Indies native (I do not see a Hamilton reference around).
The whirring sound (helicopter pad?).
Simple roots?
Not too crazy about the leap from Lincoln’s arm to the statue of Lincoln, but okay.
Most importantly, as said by wk, there is no way that BP could bury a casque in Prospect Park, even at 3 a.m.  There would always be someone walking around in this area.  If we can get some clue from Cleveland and Chicago, BP needs to have something at his back, so he is not surrounded by open space and can see if someone is coming.  Both were buried near a wall, in a secluded area.
I like the crown in the clouds you pointed out.  That could signify Kings or Queens, though.

That map with the statue locations is from a frisbie throwing website and there are reviews on there saying when it is clear.
You could say you were looking for your frisbie
Here is another website which I think might show the location. The second picture shows some bushes behind a stone wall.
http://www.bridgeandtunnelclub.com/bigm … ncertgrove

In the shadow
Of the grey giant
With a focus on Canada, “grey” is could be a reference to Grey Point which is directly north of Stanley Park in Vancouver.  This would follow the same logic used in Cleveland where the casque was below two countries.  If “below” is taken to mean “south of” then “north of” implies “above”.  Being in somethings shadow is a good fit if Grey Point is “above” Stanley Park in that sense.
An alternate idea uses the term grey as a Canadian Football League reference in that the trophy is called the Grey Cup after Lord Grey whom after Grey Point is named.

erexere

In the shadow
Of the grey giant
With a focus on Canada, “grey” is could be a reference to Grey Point which is directly north of Stanley Park in Vancouver.  This would follow the same logic used in Cleveland where the casque was below two countries.  If “below” is taken to mean “south of” then “north of” implies “above”.   Being in somethings shadow is a good fit if Grey Point is “above” Stanley Park in that sense.
An alternate idea uses the term grey as a Canadian Football League reference in that the trophy is called the Grey Cup after Lord Grey whom after Grey Point is named.

Oops.  I had my geography wrong.  Point Grey is more of a south relationship to Stanley Park.  Perhaps I should adjust the first line of verse as relating to the first place to start on the image path.  Mitchell Island looks very close as a match to the hat shape in image 10.

Look down
And see simple roots
In rhapsodic man’s soil
In an attempt to avoid the perception that I’m just plucking randomly at words and then misconstruing them in some random direction, this is more of a chunk assessment of three lines that clearly seem to go together.
“Look down” is either an instruction to physically see something in the down direction or it’s a disassociation from the following lines and taken in a figurative sense where “looking down [on someone]” may be a derogatory sense or value judgement.
What is meant by “simple roots”?  Simple is also usable in the derogatory sense, or it may be a standard as in basic verses complex.  Roots offers a larger variety of interpretations.  As I’ve previously mentioned, I thought it applied to things relating to squares, since a basic square root is the fractional exponent of 1/2 (where n is 2), and becomes higher ordered or complicated as the value of n increases.  Other senses of roots may relate to the use of the word Natives, since both have to do with place of origin.  Yet another sense, most common, would be to do with trees or plants, which rely on their roots in the soil for support and nutrients.
What man would be rhapsodic?  I see the popular notion is it’s to do with Gershwin, but that’s mainly a result of an attempt to play with a New York setting.  It’s a functional fit if we have no other real support or clue that creates a reference to a State.  Like Chicago, we had M and B to give us some music composers as a good reference to a nearby building.  Does Gershwin’s soil mean Brooklyn or near Ozone Park neighborhood where I use to live, btw?  I’m more invested in an alternate take on rhapsodic as it relates to epic poetry or any poetry with content on legend or larger than life people or events.
It’s fun to play with these ideas although I’m maintaining a bias on the Stanley Park, Vancouver BC interpretation where I believe it meets the poetic connection, since Pauline Johnson (P.J. initials are in the “X” box in the image) wrote poetry about the Native legends of that area.  I think the Siwash Rock legend in particular is most applicable.  The giant rock is a great Native Indian chief who was cursed by the gods, this is the rhapsodic man IMHO.  The term ‘siwash’ is derogatory, similar to calling someone a ‘homeless bum’, but it also means shelter or to camp without a tent, using only the natural canopy of the trees for shelter.  Perhaps this is all too hard to swallow or believe as achievable knowledge without Google.  I’m more of the impression that a person couldn’t avoid learning such details if they bother to read the customary tourist pamphlets or interpretive markers and plaques that are established in Stanley Park.  Pauline Johnson is an impressive poet.  I’ve read a fair amount of her work now and she’s no slouch.  I think the simple roots end up belonging to the squares and/or pieces of the three giant checkerboards located beneath the shelter between the children’s playground and Pipeline road.  I’m not 100% sure yet how to unravel the final details, but I’m feeling very close.  I should get on with getting updated passports for my family so we can vacation up there with a shovel.

The natives still speak
Of him of Hard word in 3 Vols.
I think if we can figure out these 2 lines, this will get us pretty close to the treasure.  These 2 lines are referring to a specific individual, and there is probably a reference to that individual near the treasure site (a plaque, a monument, or maybe something in 3 parts).
Also, the “in 3 Vols.” part is very interesting.  It could be referring to the natives speaking in 3 volumes about the person, or it could be referring to the “Hard word” being in 3 volumes.  As an example of this, I explained above that Hard Times by Charles Dickens was written in 3 parts, and also there is a famous biography of Dickens written in 3 parts.
I thought of 2 other possibilities.  “Hard word” could be referring to something other than a book, such as lyrics in a song.  Two famous New Yorkers who could both be considered of “Hard word” are John Lennon (A Hard Day’s Night) and Bob Dylan (A Hard Rain’s a-gonna Fall).  There is a memorial to Lennon in Central Park, but I could not find any other plaque or monument to him in NY.  I couldn’t find anything on Dylan, even though he was very famous in the Greenwich Village area.
Last thought, for now.  I find it extremely unusual that BP has abbreviated and capitalized volumes.  It was not for the sake of rhyming within the verse – there is no rhyme.  Could it mean something other than a book volume?  A Tennessee Volunteer fan is called a Vol.  “Volume” could refer to sound, not the printed word.  It could also refer to how much space is taken up by something – so maybe there are 3 containers of something in the area.  Also, sometimes crossword puzzle clues give clues as abbreviations because the answer is an abbreviation.  So, a clue might be “footnote abbrev.” and the answer is “ibid.”  Just throwing things out, since I am “bothered” by the abbreviation.

The Kiwanis International Volunteer Organization remembers Hardings’ speech on a granite memorial in Stanley Park.  I think “-ing” on Harding may be considered superfluous to an extent just so the capital H formalizing Hard makes sense.  The number 3 is something I’m not fixed on yet.

Bailey4ever

Considering the contributions fox has made

…like, creating the forum in the first place…

After Hurricane Sandy, we may find it even more difficult to recognize landmarks in NY…

I’ve had some thoughts on this, here is what I have come up with, and I hope this helps…This is just brainstorming based on what I have been looking at. BTW Prospect Park was my initial guess as the Hamilton Pkwy ends there, but could find no Moby Dick references along with a Gershwin reference. If we assumed the grey giant was Liberty and the Narrow Path is the Verrazano, then the Ft Hamilton Pkwy to P.P. does make sense but it seems to end there…using the Gershwin reference you might have ended up near the band shell where I was told there is a V like the picture somewhere…I have to agree with Siskel tho…if it’s the right spot, everything will make sense. Is it possible that PP may be right but has changed over the years to now seem wrong? Did you check on renovations in or near the park?
The wildlife refuge Island directly west of Coney Island is in the shape of a gem, if you were to turn the map so Coney Island matches up with the bottom of the gown, that gem shaped island would be in the same spot as the gem on the illustration….I feel this may be reaching, but it could be an indicator for Coney Island.
The “Grey Giant” reference I also attributed to a bridge or building instead of a statue…but here is another reference that could be appropriate for Coney Island…Back at the turn of the 20th century, before BP’s time there was another Colossus (or grey giant) that stood on Coney Island at 12th and Surf, but I rule this out as it was long gone by the time 1980 came around.
It’s hard to rule out Liberty as the grey giant because it was called “The New Colossus” but I still focused on DUMBO as an area and I like Roosevelt Island also…The Manhattan Bridge is defiantly a Grey Giant, and DUMBO lives in the shadows of it…still no luck matching anything to Gershwin or Melville.
Thoughts on what people are calling the stained glass in the picture…to me they look like more of a sidewalk design or even an ornate path made from colored stones, could be a window, but looks more like something you would see on the ground or a design on a monument or sculpture.
Rhapsodic man’s soil…..I don’t know of anywhere that has blue soil, or any piece of land that would represent Gershwin save a concert hall (or bandshell)…however I did consider that Rhapsodic man’s soil could be water, and also simple roots in this instance could refer to root notes of a scale A,B,C,D,E,F, and or G If you follow on a Piano it would be C-D-E-F-G-A-B.
Isle of B could be the obvious or has anyone considered the B train? and maybe a subway station that would represent the Isle?
Again just trying to stir up new ideas.

A few more things to consider…
The Christadora House which is right across the street from Tompkins Square is where Gershwin gave his first NYC concert, on the 3rd floor. The doorway to the building matches the picture in the lower left panel (the one people considered as the WTC).
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Chris … dcaa03d962
This is at 9th and B…Rhapsodic man’s soil…in Simple Roots (alphabet city Ave A,B,C, and D)
Again…there’s no eureka…but some more to think about…

I do not know if this has been put forth as an explanation for
the line in verse 10:
The natives still speak
Of him of Hard word in 3 Vols.
Sir Walter Scott….
There is a statue of Sir Walter Scott in Central Park,NYC,
to honor him as one of the greatest writers.
The statue in Central Park would keep the “natives”
talking about Scott as long as they keep going to the park.
The Journal of Sir Walter Scott is in 3 volumes ( published by Edinburgh: Oliver and Boyd, 1939-1946)
Because he had several strokes, Scott spelled many words incorrectly. (The editor commented on it.)
The title-page of his journal bears this inscription:
*****************************************************************************************************
SIR WALTER SCOTT BART
of
Abbotsford
HIS . GURNAL*
Vol. I
As I walked by myself
I talkd to my self
And thus my self said to me
Old Song.
A
hard word
so spelld on the Authority of Miss Scott now Mrs. Lockhart
***********************************************************************************************************************
Here is a link detailing Scott’s Journal and that inscription:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Journa … lter_Scott

animal painter

Once more I have modified the map.
Today I found a better match to the
animal in the foamy water in image 12.
It is a bear figure by the Delacorte Clock…
another Central Park location…not Chinatown.
You can watch the animals on the clock
move around, at the link posted below.
I know someone said that BP denied burying
a casque in Central Park, so it is merely a clue
to get us in the right area.

Xieish,
The Gershwin Hotel is near several things.
I am bringing this up from the “archives” of Image 12.

Great find on the bear actually, that’s a really nice shot. I think it’s important to note that regardless of where, that map likely has some coincidences/red herrings in it – even if that is the right path, that’s a very spread out grouping of “things” that don’t in any way form a path, which I’m fairly confident is the way these work (everything is on the path, there’s no direct “matches” that happen to be 2-3 blocks away, unless they’re referenced in the verse.
NYC blocks are big, so being 1-2 blocks away can look deceptively close on an aerial map.
edit: The only reason I’m skeptical about the bear is that I haven’t seen images quite that vague before in other cities. It’s more of a “I am not positive that’s how these work, but damn” feeling than a criticism though.

wow – kudos Animal Painter on a LOT of good work. I LOVE that freakin’ bear. Gave me goosebumps. And another picture in your group showed an image of a light fixture at Tavern on the Green. When I googled images of stained glass at Tavern on the Green, some interesting photos came up that bore some resemblance to those colored bauble panels. Don’t know how to post pix here so I leave it to someone smarter than me, but I think it is worth a once over. If not IN the park, then around it somewhere??!! Saw that statue of Duke Ellington outside Harlem and it started me thinking again about Rhapsodic Man’s soil, though it still makes most sense he is talking Gershwin. There is just so much in Central Park that it we could probably find matching clues for all of the illustrations. But there does seem to be an undeniable connection in or around. And again, I LOVE that bear!!! Good stuff.

Siskel

wow – kudos Animal Painter on a LOT of good work. I LOVE that freakin’ bear. Gave me goosebumps. And another picture in your group showed an image of a light fixture at Tavern on the Green. When I googled images of stained glass at Tavern on the Green, some interesting photos came up that bore some resemblance to those colored bauble panels. Don’t know how to post pix here so I leave it to someone smarter than me, but I think it is worth a once over. If not IN the park, then around it somewhere??!! Saw that statue of Duke Ellington outside Harlem and it started me thinking again about Rhapsodic Man’s soil, though it still makes most sense he is talking Gershwin. There is just so much in Central Park that it we could probably find matching clues for all of the illustrations. But there does seem to be an undeniable connection in or around. And again, I LOVE that bear!!! Good stuff.

HERE HERE!!

The depiction of a bear is quite clever. Just noticed a vertical row of white blobs on the bottom right of the bear which might be the number 4 with a 5 to the right in the surf.
What was the address of BP office?
How about these locations with respect to subway stops?
… and we ought to include the Russian Orthodox church which we found back on page 52 of the image 12 thread.

I do note that the bear would be a different type of image than we have ever confirmed in these puzzles.
Not to say they don’t exist, or that 12 couldn’t be different/harder, but until now we have no evidence that images are hidden like that, everything has been clearly from a Polaroid and disguised, but clearly recognizable. Also is that the only bear in NYC? Until we can tie it to a path, or at least one of the lines in the verse I get skeptical. Where does it apply and where does it lead us?

I dont like the bear at all. It has no connection to a discernable theme making it a random type detail until justified like the fence and fixture or columns, wall, or fountain. This bear comes from what indication other than a person staring at the surf and thinking that looks like a bear? Then they find a NY bear statue that works freakishly well.
It isnt acceptable as a consideration unless something else firmly gets you there or theres something rather interesting about standing at the spot and angle while looking at that bear .
I say, cute, now what? If such a neat clue is truly important then we best be heavy on the track to a casque…and there is so far little to suggest that despite all the odd Melvillian excitement as of late.
Sorry.

adoks53

of hard word = giving of facts , in 3 vols. = in 3 geometric areas.    Back to menloparkmuseum for me… the stone monument at the point of the “V” , the museum, and the tower. I’m still thinkin’ it!

I think you have to fight to prove your point here.  I’d love it to be Edison, but you are really just dropping hints with no facts. We need visual confirmers linking the image to the site.  You’re trying to sell this but seem to want somebody else to confirm it for you.  Give me something else and I’ll go there.

of hard word = giving of facts , in 3 vols. = in 3 geometric areas.    Back to menloparkmuseum for me… the stone monument at the point of the “V” , the museum, and the tower. I’m still thinkin’ it!

I have a hunch Verse 10 and Image 12 might refer to Seattle, WA. First I’ll go over the picture: There’s a seagull, or seahawk. The woman, if she represents the Statue of Liberty, seems to be looking westward, toward the west coast. The drops near the jewel could represent rain. The four divisions in the top of the window may represent the four seasons. Notice that in three of the panes, there is rain. Seattle rains year round. Interestingly, the pane I believe represents summer does not have rain, but is divided in two. It rains much less in the summer, and the division possibly represents day and night. There is Russian history there, thus the Russian building reference. The lower left pane in the window could simply be a dock, not sure. Of course the sea is at the bottom. Also, the outline of the bottom of the woman’s dress could be the USA/Canadian border, around Vancouver Island.
Now for the verse: In the shadow of the grey giant; possibly just north of the Space Needle. In Summer, you’ll often hear a whirring sound; this could refer to the monorail. Cars abound; check. Although the sign, nearby, speaks of Indies Native;this could refer to the statue of Dr. Jose P. Rizal. He is a famous historical Filipino. The Philippines are part of the East Indies. I don’t know about any sign nearby. Maybe someone else has thoughts on this part. The Natives still speak of him of Hard word in 3 vols;could refer to Chief Seattle. In his famous speech, he said, ” My words are like the stars that never change. Whatever Seattle says, the great chief at Washington can rely upon with as much certainty as he can upon the return of the sun or the seasons. I think that may be “Hard word”, or firm words. I don’t know about the “3 vols.” part. Look down and see roots in rhapsodic man’s soil;rhapsodic man may be Quincy Jones. Simple roots may refer to the plants in the soil around the monorail. Or gaze north toward the isle of B;I think this is being in the monorail station and looking to your left, but north, toward Bainbridge Island. The V could be the tracks of the monorail as they come into the station. Refer to Google maps, to see this. Also, you can go to street view, it takes a while, but you can get to the monorail station. I believe it may be in the ground around the station. Find the arm that extends over the slender path;this could be the walkway from the Children’s Museum building to the monorail station. Again, this can be seen in Google maps.
Maybe I’m off on my interpretation, but I thought I’d post it. If I am off, I’d like to hear others’ thoughts on Seattle as the possible location. If it’s not Seattle, other possible locations could be Juneau, or possible even Anchorage, because of the seagull/seahawk and those cities being on the West Coast. But I don’t know anything about those two Alaskan cities. Thanks for reading and entertaining my thoughts!

Not a lot of time spent on this verse (as you will soon see!), but my thoughts were (like many others except for #2 & 4 which I didn’t see discussed):
1) grey giant – bridge of some sort
2) Indies native – Jamaica Bay, NYC
3) rhapsodic man’s soil – hometown Brooklyn NYC
4) Isle of B – isle of Brooklyn (Long Island) or maybe relates to one of the islands in Jamaica Bay
there’s a peninsula of land on the other side of Jamaica bay that is south of Brooklyn/Long Island – contains Jacob Riiis park (writer/photographer), FOrt Tilden park, Breezy Point.

bowling green could be the “isle of B.”
bowling…….aisle
good luck thursday, boogieman!!

You may be right slappy.  The starting point though has to be the v I think.  Just like it is at JPJ Park.  Without it, we are just standing south of what may be our isle.

Nice work, Aces88.

Unknown

Unknown:
For the lines
From the middle of one branch / Of the v
, we are looking for something with a “V” shape, and we can deduce two characteristics of this “V.” First, it must be large enough so that the question “where along this ‘V’ should I be standing?” is a reasonable question to ask, and “middle” is a reasonable answer. So whatever it is, it’s big. Second, it is likely a prostrate “V” rather than an upright one, as branches of prostrate V-shaped things have well-defined middles. Let’s hope it is a “V” that is visible from satellite photos.
If Boogie’s fishing reel theory is correct, and we are supposed to be gazing north at an isle, that means we must be very near the water’s edge. So this “V” is between 8 and 24 paces from the water, likely west of it.

From the middle of one branch
Of the v
Look down
This doesn’t necessarily mean you need to be
standing
on
the V.
You might be suspended OVER it. On a bridge for instance……There are other possibilities than standing on the ground.
c

To be sure, but the casque is likely to be buried underground, hence the starting and stopping point of
steps
are both likely to be on the ground rather than on a bridge, especially given that their proximity to each other is no more than 8 yards (24 steps).
Rather than standing
on
the “V,” I was rather picturing standiing
beside
it, as one might stand beside the wall of a V-shaped building, memorial, terrace, etc. But of course we don’t know either way.
I believe that BP loved his riddles, but then again, V4 turned out to be rather literal in its interpretation. Could he mean a literal “V” somewhere? Like part of a gigantic inscription in a wall with a 6-foot “V” as part of it?
On the other hand, in V12 he used the single letters M, B, R, and L as first-letter abbreviations for Mozart, Beethoven, Roosevelt (?), and Lincoln. These were capital letters and our “V” is lowercase, but maybe he just means something starting with V.

The 80 meter inverted vee is a common and classic antenna. Like a very LARGE antenna. So what about one of those electrical pylons….that look like a giant V?
c

I must say it’s a fun exercise thinking about NY and verse 10.  I spent a lot of time dinking around Ellis Island and took the Staten Island Ferry a few times.
I can’t say any whirring ideas come to mind.  If anything, whirring must be associated with a “fan” type of machinery…and then summertime…conveys sunlight, heat, vacation, etc.  I was vacationing, it was summer, my family thought it would be fun to go see the SoL.  …hmm, “sol” is sun right?  sol + R = solar.  Just free associating here, could the latin “R” sound where the tongue rolls kind of a whirring??
The use of “Or” in the verse interests me, it’s an option clue.  Option A or B.  Hmm… the thematic inference here is that we are in a position to make two choices.
NY is a tricky place to work with.  It’s got it all.

Being Mr. Preiss worked in NYC and lived in Long Island at the time the booked published, seems just natural for him to plant a treasure close to home.
I would have. No airfare, flying to another state, etc, etc.

boogieman

OK. But what are you getting at?
JPJ Park used to be Cannonball Park.  Since it has changed, the only thing there that represents our possible
rhapsodic man is that flagpole.  And the plaque is at the base of the flagpole buried in the soil.  But the v? the v?
If that tree just to the west of the pole is a virburnum plum leaf, what branch?

John Paul Jones is the father of the American Navy.
What if the v is not for Verrazzano?  If the slender path and the indies native
gets you to the Brooklyn side of the narrows and Fort Hamilton Blvd….
well… to be sure that BP is not being redundant, lets find another use of the next lines….
Take the steps from where…?
“From the middle of one branch”  The middle of one branch of the arms forces
could
literally
be NA
V
Y.
As you indicated, the father of the American navy is only referenced at one spot
in this park.
And of cource, the rhapsodic man’s soil, reconfirms the park and the short grass.

Trohn

In Navy (one branch of the military) is a small ‘v’.

OK. But what are you getting at?
JPJ Park used to be Cannonball Park.  Since it has changed, the only thing there that represents our possible
rhapsodic man is that flagpole.  And the plaque is at the base of the flagpole buried in the soil.  But the v? the v?
If that tree just to the west of the pole is a virburnum plum leaf, what branch?

Trohn – I don’t get why you think ‘v’ refers to Navy. Plenty of words have v’s in them. Why ‘v’ and not ‘a’ or ‘y’? What does it mean for the Navy to have a branch??

forest_blight

Trohn – I don’t get why you think ‘v’ refers to Navy. Plenty of words have v’s in them. Why ‘v’ and not ‘a’ or ‘y’? What does it mean for the Navy to have a branch??

The four branches of the arms services:  Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines.
Yes, plenty of words have ‘v’ in them….
This explanation would reason why the ‘v’ is
specifically lower case in the clue.

forest_blight

Trohn – I don’t get why you think ‘v’ refers to Navy. Plenty of words have v’s in them. Why ‘v’ and not ‘a’ or ‘y’? What does it mean for the Navy to have a branch??

The only ‘branch’ of the Navy is the Marine Corps. They are the only one that could legitimately be called a branch, being a part of the Department of the Navy, but also a separate service.
ck

no no no… Trohn is correct.  The naVy is one of the 4 major Branches of the armed forces.  I think Trohn is trying to say that the plaque itself “father of the na
V
y” is our V.  Step from the plaque.  It may not be correct but it is an intriguing idea.
I also like the idea of shadows of things (V supports of bridge, large flagpole, etc) except that shadows move…they are not in the same place each day at a given time…..only at the same spot every year.  Do we need to know an exact date to find our shadow…?…highly unlikely.
arghhhhh…where is our V?

Wish I knew!
In the movie “It’s a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad, World” (1963) the treasure is buried at a big “W” – which turns out to be four palm trees that form a “W” in a park. Was BP a movie buff?

fox

no no no… Trohn is correct.

It is amazing how some people come around
Yes, it may not be correct, but it is an inetersting idea.

i can’t find the post of shecrabs that talked about cartier and hard word….could someone tell me where it is?
boogieman, does the john lacorte memorial have anything that points to the picture?  it has a picture of verrazano on it, do you think the verse could be talking about that?

The Age of Franklin D. Roosevelt
volume 1:  the crisis of the old order
volume 2: the coming of the new deal
volume 3: the politics of upheaval
just in case we need to know the words

slappybuns

i’m sure someone has the book of “abroad in america” …is there any reference to “him of Hard word in 3 vols” ?

Both Siskel and I read the entire book, cover to cover, looking for other possible references and came up empty. Just the two direct quotes already mentioned.

thanks forest
malted, i can’t find the post where you told how to do a search………………..lol………………..just kidding!
are we positive that “him of hard word” is hamilton?
i’ve been doing searches on “hymn” and hard word, also composers of hymns
just seems those words have to be on whatever or wherever the cask is.
think i read that a library at prospect park is shaped like a book with the spine facing the park, this would make a “v” and a library has lots of “hard words” and “branches”, not sure if any composers are close to that. just thinking out loud, boogieman, will probably end up back at john paul jones, but have to get there by this “route, root”

Just to throw it out,
The Age of FDR is a very famous 3 volume set…

Spiritr ….though you are being cryptic ( and I’m not making fun of you ) I think you are trying an idea with the image that karleen and I have been working on .the key is “with the sight of 12 in colorlight a pair will lead to to a casque ” ok I guess I’m being cryptic also .lol

Sorry to surprise you, I’m not trying out an idea, because this is THE method, not an idea that I made up to entertain the board.

dig up a casque, with it and it would be considered ‘a’ method
dig up two and it might be considered ‘the’ method.
til then it’s a theory.

My intentions were in no way intended to ridicule .And I agree there is a method we have been missing

So, I think I may have solved the riddle. I just started this so I wanted to get other people’s thoughts. I believe the New York box is buried in Coney Island – Brooklyn. Coney Island has a huge Russian and Jewish population. The unfortunate part, the dig site may be behind a fence/gate and may have been impacted by hurricane sandy. In any case, here’s how I interpreted the clues (Let me know your thoughts!):
In the shadow
Of the grey giant – Either the Whale paintings on outside wall of the NY Aquarium or the defunct Thunderbolt roller coaster
Find the arm that
Extends over the slender path – More than likely the parachute ride. It has a descending narrow path
In summer – Amusement park opens in Summer
You’ll often hear a whirring sound – sound of the rides whirring
Cars abound – parking lining the street or cars of the rides
Although the sign – “Himalaya” (see below)
Nearby – close but not right by the site
Speaks of Indies native – The base of Himalaya Mountains are in the indies and is also the name of a popular ride in Coney Island that was there for years (now closed)
The natives still speak – Native New Yorkers
Of him of Hard word in 3 Vols. – him – Hard word is a Hard sounding vowel: “A” and Laya…NY’ers call it Him-A-Laya with 3 syllables
Take twice as many east steps as the hour – 22 steps
Or more
From the middle of one branch
Of the v – there is a “V” garden in the concrete separated (branches) and would be more steps if you start from here
Look down -by the boardwalk
And see simple roots – plants/grass
In rhapsodic man’s soil – Sand! (facing south)
Or gaze north
Toward the isle of B. – Brooklyn behind you! Isle referring to Coney Island as a clue
Picture clues Left to right:
Pink dots – Himalayan sea salt
sand , water, sunset (from bottom to top)
Next 2 could be bubbles and markings on whales pics on the aquarium walls (I remember these from when I was a kid)
Bird is a Seagull – always all over the beach
Rectangle is the steeplechase pier – directly in front of the parachute ride
Onion domes were in Luna Park
And the clock is written in sand – sands of time
In the dress there is a half a mans face which was the logo of steeplechase park
The swirls in the water represent a “cyclone” like the roller coaster in coney island
Water spray resembles a polar bear – the polar bear swimming club swims in coney island in the winter

+++++1

this verse is not as simple as all of you might think
first, read it, pair it with an image, then head to the location, read it again, if you follow everything correctly, you should hit a dead end. ( If you think you’ve solved it, that means you’re wrong)
After knowing the fey, the REAL Verse 10 will appear, now the treasure hunt starts
the entire verse will be separated into 3 sections, carefully read the instructions, first it will take you to page 50, her left hand is your confirmation, now the first crossword puzzle begin, using everything on verse 10, you’ll notice a very special number, “3”, out of all 4 verses, only one is correct, find the one that said “SF, SF, SF” , her right hand will be your confirmation.
The second section, the instruction is lay the image “flat”, onto the England image. By now you’ll understand why so much “blue” in the image , because it serves a very special purpose, below her arms, the “strawberry” that most of you called, will come in handy, place the head inside the “strawberry” , now look down, that’s your MAP.
But that’s not it, verse continue, the final line, gaze north, toward the isle of B. , which is “Behind bending branches”, and I’m still working on this one, because this one is very unclear, could it be Green St? Beach Blanket Babylon Blvd, if I take away the Blvd, that’s 3 B, but I couldn’t find one sign on any map without the Blvd on it, so I’m still stuck on this one.

Sadly, we’ve been at this “Levle” many times before.

Well, maybe you can take the Verse out and try first, before you start making fun of me

THis is most likely the verse that goes with the NYC image. If however it turns out Verse 6 does not go with Image 9 then this would be the next most likely match. I do not think this goes to STL. Image 9 seams to be indicateing Forest Park and less strongly the Muny/Pagoda Area. This verse could also fit Forest Park but it would be a streach of the imagination to make it work.
I think the thing that ties the image and verse together is the “gray giant” I will look over this image soon to try to find a potential dig site hidden in the image.

Thanks.

Trinity.  Three? vols?  Don’t know where I’m going with this but Hamilton is buried at Trinity Church by Battery park.  The guy has an awful lot of real estate in lower manhattan!!!

hard vols? both are capitalized, do they go together?