anus905

already solved this went there and dug spot in painting (triangle sandbox (rock garden) marked by palm trees shadow at 4pm)…which is beside the Fort Sumter Association Building bw the sundial and cannon (two arms extended, one the sundial’s shadow, the other the cannon) UNDER the protection of the south battery wall (below the bar that binds water via Bitaro clue)…this one is played…casque is gone.

And what makes you so sure you have the right solution? Lots of people have what they call the “right solution”, but to say the casque is gone when you don’t find it is just to ignore that your “right” solution may not be the RIGHT solution.
There are a lot of “right” solutions. Any solution that fits and can be explained is a “right” solution. But there’s only one RIGHT solution. I have “right” solutions for NYC, Boston, Milwaukee, Montreal, Houston, and San Francisco, but I’m not calling them RIGHT solutions because I accept that I could have missed something or gotten one step wrong that led me off track. It only takes one wrong step to lead you off the path.
I actually considered Castle Clinton, until I found something else. The dress under the woman’s upraised arm is a map exactly matching the area between The Battery and the Whitehall Terminal. I didn’t have it in my solution, but when I studied the Verse to find out why it’s there, Castle Clinton became a non-factor.
So don’t assume it’s over because the casque wasn’t at your “right” solution. That’s part of the excitement. Keep finding “right solutions, and you may be the one to find the RIGHT solution.

a) i actually know what im doing as opposed to everyone else.
b) i account for every single clue, bar none.
c) the sandbox i dug in is IN THE DAMN PAINTING EXACTLY.

guardian, buddy…you have no idea what you are doing. and thats ok. but that doesnt change the fact that im 100% right lol.

(Slappy-only post…contains Fair Folk references)
When I flipped through the intro to see what the Scottish fair-folk were up to, a couple of things struck me, though these notes are fairly confused even by my standards. Just some general musings.
* * * * *
“Thus, we are told, did the First Age of the Old World come to its end; with the departure of Twelve Nations of Fairy. (The Hill Folk of Scotland and Ireland were, in fact, near cousins and of a single nation.)
And no sooner had the Twelve established themselves in the New World, than they were joined there by a Thirteenth.
On the first morning of the first spring day, appeared, shining in the air, slender, golden people. Their garments were of richest silk, filigreed with serpents and flowering vines of silver. A tall, laughing archer was among them – Prince Yi, the Wanderer, bearing the great bow with which he had shot dead nine blazing suns – at his side, his Golden Mother, Hsi Wang Mu, beautiful as the moon, who bore in her hands the peaches of immortality – and Tsao-shen also, the home-loving imp, his laughing mouth smeared with honey…”
* * * * *
So, the “first age” came to an end with the departure of the twelve…and before the arrival of the thirteenth, who are apparently the silk-serpent-wearing, pearl-bearing Chinese of Image 1.
From far Cathay, the dragon’s Pearl;
Chaste, perfect as the silver moon
“Beautiful as the moon” ties in with “perfect as the silver moon”. The idea of the first age ending, and this mob arriving, also seems to chime with this fragment:
The First Age ended; the New Age began.
The wind still brings the sounds of that Sweet Swarm;
Now, for their Honey – find it, if you can.
Tsao-chen has the honey, and I’m wondering where he fits in.
* * * * *
There seems to be deliberate confusion between 12 and 13 tribes of fairy. There are 13 listed on the map, but the Chinese are also mentioned as “not shown” for some reason, and instead we’re given separate entries for the Scottish clan (who include the “Silkies”) and the Irish, even though we’re told these are “of a single nation”.
I’m currently thinking of the Scottish as being the San Fransiscans, and hence also the Chinese…(told you I was confused)…so conflating the Scottish and Irish might imply a link between I1 / V6 (Chinese) and I5 / V12 (Irish).
The Irish puzzle features Lincoln, who also shows up in the Scottish/Chinese puzzle via the Emancipation Proclamation. Maybe “of a single nation” is hinting at the Pledge of Allegiance, originally:
“one nation indivisible, with liberty and justice for all”
…and subsequently amended to:
“one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all”
…the words “under God” having been borrowed from Lincoln’s Gettysburg Address (“this nation under God shall have a new birth of freedom”).
* * * * *
(The cross-referencing between the puzzle and the introduction is undeniable, the images being bound up with gems, nations, etc., which I think are far from irrelevant. Having said that, I’m not sure if there’s a rational and consistent pattern to it.
Although any cross-referencing with the field guide that follows is more debatable, being completely muddled and reportedly denied by BP, I’m inclined to agree with your recent suggestion that BP may have “seeded” the text with ideas from the puzzle; I’d had the same thought. He might perhaps have made notes of things to include, or edited the descriptions afterwards. I generally ignore it now, though when I noticed that Conan Doyle had published a novel in May 1913 based on the theme of a cloud of poison gas, I couldn’t resist flipping through it, and found one under “West Ghost”, along with gold, shadows and palm trees. Coincidence? Probably. I don’t think the field guide can be trusted to make any sensible or reliable deductions, but I suspect it’s somehow obscurely informed by the puzzle.)

@gman:
https://repository.duke.edu/dc/broadsides/bdstn012916
also, Hampton park has a mass grave in it :S
does that affect your solve?

“Union Cemetery
During the closing days of the Civil War, the area was used as a prisoner-of-war camp. More than two hundred Union soldiers died in the camp and were buried in a mass grave at the site.”

anus905

@gman:
https://repository.duke.edu/dc/broadsides/bdstn012916
also, Hampton park has a mass grave in it :S
does that affect your solve?

The grave was on the north western side of the park. Not at my dig spot. Union Cemetery is no longer a burial site. The graves were eventually removed and reinterred in the 1880s to a national cemetery in Beaufort, SC. The former Union Cemetery became a zoo in 1932, before it became Hampton Park in 1975. The old racetrack—an oval roadway—is still there.

gManTexas

The grave was on the north western side of the park. Not at my dig spot. Union Cemetery is no longer a burial site. The graves were eventually removed and reinterred in the 1880s to a national cemetery in Beaufort, SC. The former Union Cemetery became a zoo in 1932, before it became Hampton Park in 1975. The old racetrack—an oval roadway—is still there.

We have some places like that in San Francisco, but then lately they did some digging and realized it was more of a move the headstones leave the people kind of thing.
So there are now a lot of parks in SF that are now considered cemeterys again.

maltedfalcon

We have some places like that in San Francisco, but then lately they did some digging and realized it was more of a move the headstones leave the people kind of thing.
So there are now a lot of parks in SF that are now considered cemeterys again.

They recently had a ceremony in Hampton Park to rededicate the memorial to the soldiers. I believe it when they say they were re-interred, but who knows for sure. Either way, the area where I’m looking is away from the former cemetery and where the former zoo was located.
I do want to remind everyone that the zoo in some form existed in the park for around 60 years. I believe this is why we have animal imagery in Image 2. Lion, monkey, birds…they were all in the zoo.

JamesV

MF, thanks again for having a look at this. I’m still leaning towards I1/V6, but it’s clear I’ll have to do a little more research.
Just FYI, I was working around WhiteRabbit’s theory which used Edwin Booth’s name on a historical marker — thinking about switching directions now and heading north from Chinatown instead, possibly using the historic Booth house at 35 Calhoun Street as the clue for this line.

If we could find a way to connect Portsmouth Square with the Edwin Booth plaque, it would greatly strengthen White Rabbit’s solution (a solve I strongly support). One would have to walk through the heart of Chinatown. “Freedom at the birth of century” …..

I originally thought that these words might be found as quotes on a historical marker somewhere, but now I think they might just be general clues towards the Chinatown area. If “Freedom at the turn of the century” could possibly be a reference to the Boxer Rebellion, then “Or May 1913” could also be referring to May 2, 1913, when the Republic of China was officially recognized by the US government. Again, I’m unsure if there might be any more specific landmarks in the vicinity.

davinci4

If we could find a way to connect Portsmouth Square with the Edwin Booth plaque, it would greatly strengthen White Rabbit’s solution (a solve I strongly support). One would have to walk through the heart of Chinatown. “Freedom at the birth of century” …..

portsmouth square you get to via yerba buena.

cause may 1913 couldnt possibly apply to the capstand in charleston…nah…that couldnt be it…

davinci4

If we could find a way to connect Portsmouth Square with the Edwin Booth plaque, it would greatly strengthen White Rabbit’s solution (a solve I strongly support). One would have to walk through the heart of Chinatown. “Freedom at the birth of century” …..

Isn’t/Wasn’t the plaque across the street from Portsmouth Square? been so long I don’t remember…

JoshCornell

cause may 1913 couldnt possibly apply to the capstand in charleston…nah…that couldnt be it…

Possibly it could. But know that parts of the USS Maine, that sank and still remains underwater near Cuba, were dedicated to parks all along the east coast of the US in May of 1913. So if the USS Maine that sunk a year before in 1912 is the correct clue potentially it could be any of those 1913 monuments.
Edit: it originally sank in an explosion in 1898, an attempt to recover it was done in 1912 and it sank again where it still sits below the water.

said may 1913 on the plaque in wpg. where the bandstand is dedicated in april, when waterbirds nest in the trees above it.

MF, thanks again for having a look at this. I’m still leaning towards I1/V6, but it’s clear I’ll have to do a little more research.
Just FYI, I was working around WhiteRabbit’s theory which used Edwin Booth’s name on a historical marker — thinking about switching directions now and heading north from Chinatown instead, possibly using the historic Booth house at 35 Calhoun Street as the clue for this line.

i hate these circles, going round and round, everything connected
for some reason i was looking at the line again:  “waits the Fair remuneration”….which could just mean “the jewel” or “fair  RE  (fairy) (ferry)  muneration” but for some reason i did a “fair jewel” search……and guess who comes up………washington irving, history of new york “fair play’s a jewel” , about stuyvesant and minuit, from what i could gather (kind of lazy today)
i was also wondering if a certain jewel was called “fair”

Since this verse and Image 2 are paired, it is perhaps worthwhile to note that one of the houses in White Point Gardens is the William Roper house, which had a huge white portico that could be seen across the harbour. This house is also notable for its “earthquake bolts”
(the bar that binds?)–
long bolts that run through the walls between the floor joists and are attached to a turnbuckle which would pull the house back together in the event it was shaken apart in an earthquake. In addition to its large white portico, (
White house nearby
?) the Roper house sports metal plaques that cover its earthquake bolts–
in the shape of lion’s heads.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Syren
Anybody heard of this awesome coal burning steamship?

my PT handle is Surita, used to be momatrance

Whoever is moderating this thread — is there a way to move this to the Verse 6 thread?
It’s probably better off there.  Otherwise, people may think that a treasure has actually been found.
Thanks.
P.S. – There is also the Booth Theater — in NYC, and the Forrest Theater — in Philly.
http://www.jimsdeli.com/landmarks/42-51_w/booth-theater.htm
http://www.forrest-theatre.com/

After reading this I’m also thinking like the verse is for Florida.
After looking for the lyrics to Swanee River I found that the guy who wrote it (Stephen Foster) sold it to a famous minstrelman E. P. Christy.
http://dhr.dos.state.fl.us/symbols/song.html
The minstrel’s first name was Edwin and had 2 sons who seem to have been called E. Byron and William A.
http://www.famousamericans.net/edwinpchristy/
Could this be the Edwin from the verse. I cant look into it further but will try to do so in a few days.

I think verse 6 has a lot to do with Edwin Booth whose daughter was Edwina Booth.
“Of all the romance retold
Men of tales and tunes
Cruel and bold
Seen here”
That reminds me of a theater, especially due to the “seen here” part.
There is a Booth theater named after Edwin Booth who was a Shakesperean actor.  I’m not sure if it is still called the Booth theater but I believe it is.  I think it is on 8th St. too in New York.  There is a statue of Booth in NY too.  Take the info at will and please help if you can.  Thanks.

I may have posted info about this some time ago on this thread.

Edwin Forrest Durand Street, Philly.  St Micheal’s Church.  I was drawn to the window in the center.  Image 9? (Big stretch)
http://www.quondam.com/33/3292.htm
Look at this map. Bishop
White house
close to garden.  Not sure what I’m getting at yet.
http://www.ushistory.org/districts/hist … /walnu.htm
Edit:  I know now.  The Edwin Forrest Theater and the Bishop
White house
are both on Walnut Street.
http://www.ushistory.org/districts/hist … /bisho.htm

“Or on the eight a scene Where law defended”
A large gathering for the reading of the Declaration of Independence fits the bill nicely.  I have always assumed that something bad happened on that day.  Those are good finds…..
….if Philly is the case…then what P do we have?

boogieman

Look at this map.  Whitehouse Tavern close to garden.  Not sure what I’m getting at yet.
http://www.ushistory.org/districts/hist … /walnu.htm

Wow, this brings back memories.  BTW, Boogieman, it is not “Whitehouse Tavern.”  It is the Bishop White House at the corner of Walnut and Third.  And, it is “City Tavern” further east on Walnut.
I spent 3 years at college visiting the fountain and garden which is located at Walnut & 3rd, just east of the Bishop White House.  The fountain looks almost exactly like the one in Image 4 (now known to be the Cleveland pic).  There is even a church within sight which looks like the hidden upside-down building in Image 4.  I was trying to match it with Verse 3 or Verse 6 (“White house close at hand”).  That was 22 years ago.  If you have your “back to the stairs,” “all the letters are here to see” (the post office building which can be seen beyond the wall on Chestnut St.), and it is in a green glass building (“a green tower of lights”).  Too bad the link does not have a pic of the fountain and garden next to the Bishop White House.  It would have been nice for all of you to see it.

It would have to be P9 or P11, wouldn’t it? I’m not liking either one for this V, given the latitude/longitude problem. We could squeeze a 39 and 40 (latitudes for Philly) out of P9 if we squint real hard, though.

Unknown

Unknown:
Wow, this brings back memories.  BTW, Boogieman, it is not “Whitehouse Tavern.”  It is the Bishop White House at the corner of Walnut and Third.  And, it is “City Tavern” further east on Walnut.

Yeah, that’s me jumping to conclusions.  I had edited that quote just before you posted, (for those of you who didn’t catch it).  It is so interesting to find that you have covered some of this before. ( 22 years ago)  Does that give us the right to assume that there’s something in Philly?  I think it does.  You better come back to Jersey or FB’s got a long drive. LOL

I agree with white rabbit.
so is there a smaller park, in the area that is not part of central park?

maltedfalcon

I agree with white rabbit.
so is there a smaller park, in the area that is not part of central park?

No need to be snippy.
The Maine monument and the Army plaza are at the entrance of central park. The other clues are not. There are several small parks around there that i am looking into. I havnt gone too deep into this casque but when i found the above clues I got excited. I also like the area because Preiss lived nearby. The line about listening to the cool clear sng of wate might indicate a fountain or river in the area. Anyways just a thought I thought to share since I didn’t see most of them mentioned.

Might “dames blanches” (pg. 10
Passage to the New World #7
) refer to white ladies.
White Ladies are African spiders, African plants, and African butterflies.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Lady_(disambiguation)
The butterfly has the same design as the I2 woman (minus the “points”), but the black and white areas are inverted. White Lady inverted to Black Lady.
So, maybe the black lady is a hint for white point garden, given to Edward Crisp as remuneration for mapping the area.
http://walledcitytaskforce.org/2008/04/17/crisp-map/
Maybe “between two arms extended” refers to two cannons (two arms).
Maybe “embedded in the sand” refers to refers to the 11-inch Dahlgren Gun, whose plaque states it was salvaged and “raised from the sand”
http://img.groundspeak.com/waymarking/5 … 7e4f60.jpg
Maybe the “long Palm’s” shadow is the Palmer house, which is next to the gun. It opened as a bed and breakfast in 1977 and has “long” been in the “Palm’s” family – 170 years.
http://thepalmerhomebandb.com/index.php … almer-home
https://www.google.com/maps?ll=32.77026 … 6&t=h&z=20
Maybe the lion’s-head earthquake bars on the row-house next door refer to the lion in the image.
https://www.google.com/maps?ll=32.77079 … 2,,0,-4.29
A lot more to look at here. Haven’t seen these clues mentioned… Anybody wanna do some fresh pondering with me?

WhiteRabbit in Image 1 thread…

“Cool, clear water” is a quote from “Cool, cool water” by the Beach Boys.

http://tinyurl.com/m8fowof
Hmmmm…

Glossiphoniidae

Might “dames blanches” (pg. 10
Passage to the New World #7
) refer to white ladies.
White Ladies are African spiders, African plants, and African butterflies.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Lady_(disambiguation)
The butterfly has the same design as the I2 woman (minus the “points”), but the black and white areas are inverted. White Lady inverted to Black Lady.
So, maybe the black lady is a hint for white point garden, given to Edward Crisp as remuneration for mapping the area.
http://walledcitytaskforce.org/2008/04/17/crisp-map/
Maybe “between two arms extended” refers to two cannons (two arms).
Maybe “embedded in the sand” refers to refers to the 11-inch Dahlgren Gun, whose plaque states it was salvaged and “raised from the sand”
http://img.groundspeak.com/waymarking/5 … 7e4f60.jpg
Maybe the “long Palm’s” shadow is the Palmer house, which is next to the gun. It opened as a bed and breakfast in 1977 and has “long” been in the “Palm’s” family – 170 years.
http://thepalmerhomebandb.com/index.php … almer-home
https://www.google.com/maps?ll=32.77026 … 6&t=h&z=20
Maybe the lion’s-head earthquake bars on the row-house next door refer to the lion in the image.
https://www.google.com/maps?ll=32.77079 … 2,,0,-4.29
A lot more to look at here. Haven’t seen these clues mentioned… Anybody wanna do some fresh pondering with me?

Or perhaps Between two arms extended
Below the bar that binds
Beside the long palm’s shadow
is referring to two “R” ms extended, the Robert Roper House (the house with the lion-head earthquake bolts), built by Edward White, and next door to the Palmer House.
http://pdfhost.focus.nps.gov/docs/NHLS/ … 001692.pdf

Where’s the 1913 capstan? Because it doesn’t seem to be where it says on this map.
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2 … 324,575479
Is the map wrong, or has it been moved?

Alright! WR back in the game!
I looked at the SA suggested theory and photos when posted, but I just don’t see anything being buried on the water-side of the battery. No way. This is what made me think that the fountain could not be the “two arms extended.” However, that “amber”/amberjack reference ain’t bad. I can see it being a clue of something in the area, same as “dames blanche,” but the verse doesn’t mention it at all. Hmm.

WhiteRabbit

Where’s the 1913 capstan? Because it doesn’t seem to be where it says on this map.
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2 … 324,575479
Is the map wrong, or has it been moved?

It was moved. It used to be directly between the cannon “mates,” as the map indicates.

OK, cheers.
Or on the eighth a scene
Where law defended
Only just noticed the Sumter monument is the “Defenders of Charleston” monument, though I expect this has been pointed out before.
Is that an eight-sided base…?
(There’s also the pirate monument with the pirate hangings on the 8th Nov 1718 though.)
I can see there’s a strong case for WPG and this verse. Tricky to follow a trail through the possible references though. The most logical dig spot would seem to be between two cannons, statues, or statue arms. Could the barred surrounding fence be the “bar that binds”…? Bit of a stretch, but it’s always been hard to interpret this line. Sounds like BP was perhaps also hinting poetically at slavery, so it might not be a “bar that binds” very literally. I was never very convinced by the “sand bar” thing, and I think “embedded in the sand” probably just means “in the ground”.

There are only two cannons on WPG’s east side, they are each other’s “mates” per the plaque on Ten-inch Columbiad Cannon. The other is the Eleven-inch Dahlgren Cannon, which was embedded in the sand, per its plauque. These made up “two-thirds of Fort Sumter’s three-gun battery” per the same palque.
Between the two stood the Capstan, or May 1913.
Next to the Columbiad Cannon, below the bar that binds it to its base, beside it is a palm. The palm’s shadow would make the tree “longer” when it is in line with the trunk and running west (or is it from the east??).
Directly behind the trunk toward the brick base’s back corner, or directly next to the base across from the bar that binds. Looks dug.

WhiteRabbit

Drinking fountain…? Here’s the
Little Dancer
in White Point Gardens.
http://paintcharlestondaily.blogspot.co … ancer.html
(Bonestructure came up with a few nice thoughts on this combo over at SA, summarised
here
– shame they couldn’t get permission to dig.)
I think AP or someone suggested the “little dancer” for the butterfly dancer in the pic once before, though I hadn’t really noticed its proximity to the mortar and cannonballs which were suggested for the circles in her wings.
A little digging is the task
For treasures shining, moonglow, amber
The monument to the left is the Amberjack memorial. Looks like a palm next to it…?
The lion has amber eyes.

I like the extended arms of the Little Dancer fountain. I always liked the idea of that fountain or the one in Washington park being the “two arms extended” because if the casque were buried literally between the two arms below some bar, it would narrow the dig spot to no more than two feet wide. (Like below the barred window (or the earthquake bolts, whichever) up against the wall in Washington Park.) I just never found a fit for between the two arms of the Dancer fountain in WPG.
Do you think Bonestructure (or likely others’) theories of that taller palm in WPG and that immediate area has merit? Did Bonestructure say if he were to dig, he would do it outside of the park in the flowered area lining the street? Or was it on the outside of the barrier/harbor wall (on the water side)? If it were inside along the street, wouldn’t this be off-limits according to one of the dig rules in the book (“no public flower beds”)?

WhiteRabbit

OK, cheers.
Or on the eighth a scene
Where law defended
Only just noticed the Sumter monument is the “Defenders of Charleston” monument, though I expect this has been pointed out before.
Is that an eight-sided base…?
(There’s also the pirate monument with the pirate hangings on the 8th Nov 1718 though.)
I can see there’s a strong case for WPG and this verse. Tricky to follow a trail through the possible references though. The most logical dig spot would seem to be between two cannons, statues, or statue arms. Could the barred surrounding fence be the “bar that binds”…? Bit of a stretch, but it’s always been hard to interpret this line. Sounds like BP was perhaps also hinting poetically at slavery, so it might not be a “bar that binds” very literally. I was never very convinced by the “sand bar” thing, and I think “embedded in the sand” probably just means “in the ground”.

WR- Absolutely tricky. I can see almost every line working for this location, but the “bar that binds” has me baffled. I never saw the streets, the sandbar, nor the fence around the point very practical.
Also, the Sgt. Jasper monument has “June 28th 1776” on it. This was the fit for that line for me.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/wallyg/8743204139/
I’m not sure that the Sumter memorial has an eight-sided base…I did wonder if the design in the lion’s forehead was supposed to match the design around the base of the Sumter statue though…
https://ssl.panoramio.com/photo/40508994
And much of this may be a re-hash…sorry-I don’t even remember what I have posted, let alone keep track of what everyone else has put up.

WR, the base is 8 sided, and connected with “Defended”. This is the type of tricky simplicity that I have been getting at! Nice thoughts!

I think you guys are referring to the (call it left) side of the Sumter statue (if you face the back of the monument standing between the arms of the Jasper and the Sumter monuments), correct?
I wondered about the right side of that plot of park…around the taller palm tree, and somewhere between the smaller cannon (7″ Brooke rifle I believe) and the back side of the Sumter memorial. This way, you would see Fort Sumter, the design in the base of the Sumter statue, the cannons (and balls), and be standing essentially still between the direction of the two arms of the statues, and beside that tall palm. I
think
there are some small metal bindings (EDIT: these may be drain holes-I need to check) that hold the concrete blocks of the Sumter memorial together (in that circle). (And, it would be up against a sort of, small, wall for those thinking that may be a commonality…)
Here is a Google street view of the area:
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=charlest … ,9.51&z=21
I will get on attaching or uploading and linking some images that draw this out better…I can’t seem to do either here…

Sometimes big old trees have to have their large branches bound together with metal bars or cables.  Not sure if this applies here, but just thought I would mention it.

not sure it was mentioned, you can Gman walk there now..
http://goo.gl/maps/FvfYl

Glossiphoniidae

http://tinyurl.com/m8fowof
Hmmmm…

Unknown

Unknown:
Have some cool clear water
Have some cool clear water
(Drink a little drip drip drip drip drink a little)
Have some cool clear water
Have some cool clear water
(Drink a little drip drip drip drip drink a little)

That’s a nice find.
Hear the cool, clear song of water
Harken to the words:
Drinking fountain…? Here’s the
Little Dancer
in White Point Gardens.
http://paintcharlestondaily.blogspot.co … ancer.html
(Bonestructure came up with a few nice thoughts on this combo over at SA, summarised
here
– shame they couldn’t get permission to dig.)
I think AP or someone suggested the “little dancer” for the butterfly dancer in the pic once before, though I hadn’t really noticed its proximity to the mortar and cannonballs which were suggested for the circles in her wings.
A little digging is the task
For treasures shining, moonglow, amber
The monument to the left is the Amberjack memorial. Looks like a palm next to it…?
The lion has amber eyes.

Verse 6 has always been my pick for Charleston after the discoveries about pirates and the Battery (White Point Gardens) is full of pirate history. Basically there is a really nice pirate monument dedicated to the trial of Stede Bonnet and his crew at whitepoint-where they were also hanged and buried. This i liked alot. The first few lines of the poem especially after the treasure island find is all about pirates. I knew that stede and his crew were tried at whitepoint…but had no idea they were buried there ;]
“Stand and listen to the birds
Hear the cool, clear song of water”–there was a multitude of birds there. Seagulls and pigeons…they seemed to be an attraction lots of people feeding them. The water could be the sea.
“Harken to the words:
Freedom at the birth of a century
Or May 1913
Edwin and Edwina named after him
Or on the eighth a scene
Where law defended.”
In order, one after another as you walk through,you pass a statue dedicated to William Sims an author and historian. This fit nicely with the “harken to the words” part–then as you continue to walk the next monument is dedicated to the soldies at Fort Moutrie during the revoloutionary war. I had always taken “Freedon at the birth of a century” to mean 1800 or 1900—but how do we here in America measure our centuries? Our bicenntenial was in 1976. I liked this statue for the “freedom” line. Then next came my favorite discovery. I had looked up “May 1913” on google so many times i was sick of typing it. Nothing of Charleston/pirate importance ever. Well, the first thing i noticed about the next monument (the capstan of the USS Maine) was that it was dedicated in May 1913 and said that really big on a plaque on the side. Continuing on, just of to your side is the pirate monument “Edwin and Edwina” could very well be named after Edward Teach (Blackbeard) next to that is a stature dedicated to the crew of the hunley that was dedicated on the 8th of some month —(lol cant remeber found that info in the library) “on the eighth a scene.—
Now. The last few lines could mean a few things.
“Between two arms extended”–we already were speaking of the ashley and cooper rivers as arms–also there is a little childrens statue in the middle of the park and 2 of the  monuments have one outstreched hand and there is an obvious middle point between them.
“Below the bar that binds”–The only thing i could think of was that WPG is a big sandbar ;]
“Beside the long palm’s shadow.”–Cat and i had a talk about how this couldn’t refer to an actuall palm tree but interestingly enough there was one palm in the park that was 2x the height of any of the others…also it cast a shadow at night from the lamps that passed right by the mddle point of the 2 statues outstreched arms. This also fits in with the SC flag–a palm and a cresent moon. The shadow would be in the same place all the time if it was from a lamp.
“Embedded in the sand”–nothing but sand at WPG.
“Waits the fair remuneration”–I think this is a play on the word ‘munition’–remuneration is far to obscure a word not to have double meaning.
“White house close at hand”–right across the street is 2 Meeting St. Inn where George Washington used to stay while in Charleston. GW is also mentioned in the SC fairies story.(Devil Dogs) This could be a reference to the pavillion in the middle of the park a little white house ;]

I hope you took pictures….

Ive got so many its silly  😉  –still trying to organize them into a decent archive.

WhiteRabbit

Stand and listen to the birds
Hear the cool, clear song of water
Harken to the words:
Hitchcock’s “The Birds” was filmed at Union Square.
The song is the Beach Boys’
Cool cool water
, “Drink a little drip drip drip drip drink a little” etc – the drinking fountain at Union Square.

Bumping this Image 1 / Verse 6 theory, as I stumbled across the Hitchcock/San Francisco connection myself a little earlier today. (I should’ve used the search feature here, it would’ve saved me from having to watch creepy movie trailers on Youtube.)
Regarding the “cool, clear song of water”, maybe that could somehow be a reference to the Admiral Thomas Dewey monument? It looks like it’s in the center of Union Square, and was shown in the opening part of “The Birds”.

Unknown

Unknown:
“Edwin and Edwina named after him…”
I was thinking about this line and came to the conclusion that it might mean one of two things:
Either we’re looking for a BOOTH, since ‘Edwin and Edwina’ is a famous portrait of the Booth family by James Brady as someone else has already pointed out… (this seems kind of out there)
OR…
Someone or something named EDWARD, because if you were going to name people in alphabetical order you name Edward… Edwin… Edwina… in that order.
What’dya think??

Do a search for “Edward Edwin Edwina” in Google and it certainly does appear that those three names are exactly consecutive alphabetical entires in the “giant list of all names” file.

good idea dan.  The V does say E & E named AFTER him which could fit your alphabetical theory.  One thing that fits kind of nicely (however the date is way off – 1996) is hurricane Edward.  As the year progresses hurricanes are named alphabetically…no wait…looks like after Edward, the next hurricane would be named beginning with “F”.  Oh well, just an idea….which also fit in nicely with Florida…

This could be an ignorant question, and a foolish idea to boot, but where is Oak Island?  Is it just over the border into Canada?  I know that it is a fanatical place for seekers of pirate treasure, and it would be humorous for some National Lampoon writers to put a real treasure there.
If this post is ignorant, please ignore it.
–Johann

scottrocks7

Here is how I think this verse fits Forest Park:
The first 5 lines illude to the art museum that can be seen from the Pagoda Circle area. This could also be talking about a band stand or prehaps both. Both are near the Pagoda Circle area it looks like.
the next two verses tell us to go to a fountain. Wether or not its the fountain in the image (if it is a fountain) or another fountain I do not know. Their are many fountains in the park.

Question,
The first lines of verse 6, are from Robert Louis Stevenson’s  Treasure Island, how exactly does that allude to  the art museum. I would think there has to be a significance to the lines involving RLS or Treasure Island or at the least Pirates.

I’ll be available anytime after July 13th.  I still like v10 for NY, just need that darned v.  Still waiting on Shecrab’s Canadian ideas though.
My real problem with image12 being at Washington Square are the following:
The references to New jersey.  The backwards NJ on her right shoulder and the map of upper NJ in the hair on her right shoulder when the image is flipped.  The dark shadowy
S
and
I
under her arm pits,
Staten Island
.  I know not everyone sees the things, but it convinces me that it has to be in the harbor rather than in the middle of Manhattan.  Finding a reference to Brooklyn though, has proved to be very tough.  Although the arch of the Verrazano looks perfect for image12.  And, if we could ever flatten out the robe, we might see the face of Giovanni Da Verrazano himself.
http://www.italianhistorical.org/verrazzano.htm 
To this end, I must keep all options open, and will stick a darned shovel in the ground for all possible dig sites.

yeah yeah yeah…sorry about the whole lack of internet….it really sucks i must say.  July 12 is when we fly in..probably late .

Sorry for interpretting but…I still like the seal…

bucfan

Just for the record, based on what I’ve read here and what I can make out on the scans I have downloaded, I’m convinced Verse 6 and Image 9 are paired and point to St. Louis. But that’s just me.

(quoted from Introductions)
I’m intrigued. Why V6? With all the references to sailors, sand, and palms I would have though somewhere on the coast would be a more appropriate choice.

shseverin11

I agree that it would be hard to bury something next to a prominent monument, although the match to the verse is intriguing. Maybe I missed something, though, could someone explain how they matched Washington Square Park to the verse to begin with?  Is it because of the “On the 8th. a scene” line or is there more? On the 8th. could also mean 8 o’clock, the 8th of the month or a scene in August (8th month).
As for when the concrete was added….the monument was restored in 1999. I would guess that that is when they added the concrete to the base.
Shannon

Shannon if you look at the secret wiki page it will help , as for how he could of buried the treasure at the time he would have been between the holly monument and a hedge bush where he could have hidden easily.

good luck with the Jackhammers.  Also, why don’t you guys dig if JPJ park?  Try that too!

regulus

good luck with the Jackhammers.  Also, why don’t you guys dig if JPJ park?  Try that too!

You’ll need the jackhammer.  My husband works in Manhattan and managed to scout out the Holley memorial last night. He said there’s concrete surrounding it in all directions. If I can figure out how to get the pcitures off of his phone, I’ll post them. I’ll chedk out the Secret Wiki section, but my husband has his doubts because he couldn’t seeing anything resembling the pictures around the park. Of course, that doesn’t mean that they’re not there. I just don’t want the people traveling to NY to get their hopes up too much.
Shannon

Trohn

Sorry for interpretting but…I still like the seal…

Me too Trohn.  Me too.  But I’ll take either one at this point.

See my tour of Philadeplphia in this thread.
Forrest Theater on Chestnut.

maltedfalcon

Absolutely Portsmouth square is the square in china town where RLS would sit and tell stories to the children.
it connects directly to Lafayette via washington ave

Cheers…(yep, Washington and Clay. I’ve abandoned the faux-Lafayette theory and I’m liking Clay now since it leads straight to the view of the white house posted above. Can’t find anything to pin on May 1913 yet.)

Freedom at the birth of a century
Or May 1913
Edwin and Edwina named after him
OK, so my thinking is that 1913 confirms the Emancipation Proclamation by way of the 50th anniversary celebrations, but I haven’t found anything that specifically connects that with “May 1913”, so this may point at something else.
Just found an Edwin Booth link to May 1913. This is when
Equity
(the Actor’s Equity Association, their trade union) was formed. “Leading up to the establishment of the association, a handful of influential actors known as The Players held secret organizational meetings at Edwin Booth’s old mansion.”
From the
Equity handbook
:
“Equity was founded and is run by members in order to ensure safe and beneficial working conditions and
fair remuneration
“
(These theatrical clues might tie in with Lafayette Park via the
San Fransisco Mime Troupe
who have a historical association with the place as well as a loose
dragon
link.)

I must again attempt making a case for this verse and image 2 both having reference to Odysseus.
First section of the Odyssey is called the Telemachy for its principal character Telemachus. Being a dedicated Philhellene, Byron surely connected this character with Denmark Vesey who was formerly named Telemaque.
The lepidoptera woman is recognized as a Polyphemus type moth. Polyphemus was the cyclops blinded by Odysseus.

forest- You want to know what the plaque says (currently)? If I’m down there this afternoon, I’ll swing by there and see if I can see anything. If there is, I’ll get a picture for you.
Do you think it’s that right in the middle of the porch?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c … ouse_3.jpg

Waits the Fair remuneration
Most uses of “fair remuneration” found by Google (along with “Charleston”) are, curiously, from 19th century texts, and almost all have something to do with slavery. Incidentally, the phrase “fair remuneration” crops up on a web page about the Hunley, which has come up before in this forum:
http://www.usni.org/NavalHistory/Articles02/NHhore06.htm
.
Fair
is capitalized probably as a reference to the fair folk.
White house close at hand
“White house” in Spanish is “casa blanca,” if that leads to any fruitful lines of thought. I found one (but only one) reference to a “Casa Blanca Plantation” in the county just NE of Charleston:
http://south-carolina-plantations.com/georgetown/casa-blanca.html
.
It struck me today that
at hand
is unnecessary in this line except to rhyme with “sand,” and therefore perhaps significant. Why use
hand
? Is there something in the vicinity of the casque that finds a “white house” close to a “hand”?
Between two arms extended
Below the bar that binds
Beside the long palm’s shadow
Embedded in the sand
Between / Below / Beside
: These are the words that take us to where X marks the spot. These lines, together with the references to pirates, fairly scream “the casque is buried midway between two cannons linked by an iron bar, which can be found near a South Carolina flag in White Point Gardens.”

It was pointed out elsewhere that
Edwin and Edwina Booth were named for
Edwin Forrest, a Shakespearen actor
and also famous I think for Spartucus.

“Freedom at the birth of a century”
Can this not also mean that the civil war
in the United States ended just about
one hundred years after the colonies won their
independence.  Freedom for the slaves.
“And the bar that binds, between arms extended”
That describes a punishment device of the colonies
where the head and hands are locked into a wooden structure
with a metal bar coming down and locking.

Or this……
http://citypaper.net/articles/2006-03-09/theater.shtml

And down the block from the theater…
http://www.ushistory.org/tour/tour_bishop.htm

I think this was posted as well:
http://www.ushistory.org/districts/hist … /walnu.htm
Forest, where did you find that structure?  Or is it just a prop for re-enactments?

Oh sorry, I wan’t being serious. These (replying to Trohn) are the stocks in Williamsburg, Virginia at their old location next to the Public Gaol.

A virtual tour…..
Washington Square in Philadephia
Northern Border is Walnut Street….
between 8th and 7th…  Edwin Booth statue
in the Freedom Theater (a scene on 8th)
corner of 6th and Walnut… Penn Mutual Insurance
“The facade of John Haviland’s 1838 Egyptian Revival
design was retained intact and serves as a faux facade.”
Wanna bet that someone will match up the Panther
head from the lower left of the image to this building.
Also here, oringally, and I am sure marked as so, …
the site of Robert Smith’s historic Walnut Street Jail
which stood from 1775 to 1835.  Look at the keys in the image
and think that they look like jail cell openers.
In the park grows a sycamore tree with seeds planted on May 6, 1975.
The seeds were carried to the mon by astronuat Stuart Roosa (meaning Red)
on Apollo XIV.  The bicentennial moon tree” grows less than a hundred yards
from where the first space flight in America occurred.
Bishop White house, as mentioned, is on 3rd and Walnut.
Pretty good fit, just need to find the sand along Walnut.

SAND AND PALM FOUND.
Dreamy Dreams
Anchoring the north side of Washington Square is the Curtis Center, home to Curtis Publishing (a stop along our “virtual” tour). From these offices came The Saturday Evening Post, The Ladies Home Journal, and Jack and Jill. Here too, was an organization with a love for the arts. Not only is the Beaux Arts building, designed by Edgar Seeler in 1910, a natural extension of the Square on the outside, but the inside contains a Tiffany studios glass-mosaic recreation of Maxfield Parrish’s The Dream Garden. Here in the midst of the chaotic world of publishing is Parrish’s serene, time-out-of-mind, garden scene. The mosaic consists of over 100,000 pieces of hand-fired glass in 260 color tones which measures 15 feet high by 49 feet wide. All are encouraged to visit the dreamy dream artwork. The Center’s atrium also contains one of the finest fountain-waterfalls in the city. A terraced waterfall languidly licks its way down obsidian slopes from the atrium’s third floor to the ground level. The atrium itself is filled with faux Egyptian palms — indeed the fountain would not seem out of place at the court of Ramses II.
We’ve Reached the Northeast Corner…
At the corner of 6th and Walnut Streets, on the Square’s eastern side, is an office building belonging to the Penn Mutual Insurance Company. In 1913, Edgar Seeler, architect of the Curtis Center, also designed this structure. The adjacent skyscraper also belonging to Penn Mutual is of interest. The facade of John Haviland’s 1838 Egyptian Revival design for the Pennsylvania Fire Insurance Co. was retained intact and serves as a faux facade for the skyscraper.
Go to Jail
Penn Mutual was built on the site of Robert Smith’s historic Walnut Street Jail which stood from 1775 to 1835. This prison was the site of the earliest experiments in criminal rehabilitation in the United States. After serving as a brutal military prison for both sides in the Revolutionary War, it underwent change in 1790 when the Pennsylvania Assembly passed a series of prison reform bills. New prison practice included segregation of the sexes, separation of juveniles from adults, and the creation of distinct prisons for debtors and felons.
George Washington spent a good amount of time in the debtor’s prison — visiting his good friend Robert Morris, the financier of the Revolution. Morris had fallen on hard times, in part due to his attempt at building a personal Xanadu on High (Market) Street which bankrupted him. Not even Washington’s friendship could keep Morris from jail. Prisoners in the debtor’s prison were allowed to bring with them any possessions they still owned. However, they remained in limbo being as their sentences were of indeterminant length. Release came only after the scofflaw’s finances took a turn for the better or someone on the outside provided capital.
Prisoners in the Walnut Street Jail worked off the cost of their incarceration in prison workshops where they produced goods which were then sold. The prisoner was given a moiety of whatever the product sold for less the cost of his incarceration. Court and attorneys’ fees were also deducted from what a prisoner earned. Artisans trained prisoners in rewarding crafts, and as a result recidivism dropped sharply.

good idea. This needs to be investigate throughly. Also remember if these therories are correct the concrete may have crushed the casque so look for pices of the casque as well.
If this does not go to NYC then it goes to STL. This is one of three verses that could go with STL. The STL image clearly points to an area in or around Forest Park. Just looking at the maps of Forest Park any one of the three verses I mentioned earlier could fit.
Check out NYC closely people. If it works out then the next most likely verse for STL is the Shadow of the gray giant verse. If this verse does not work out then the gray giant verse likely goes to NYC and this one goes to STL.

and which P goes with St Louis?

Image 9 the few things that make some think this goes to Montreal are likely references to the 1904 Worlds Fair. Judgeing from the image there are likely three areas in the park it could be. In the vacenity of the Jewel Box, Pagoda Circle or The Worlds Fair Pavilion.

I cant see how it is just a generalization
So it must have to do with a particular century.
there are only several that could apply. Your idea for the 1st century is possible, but doesnt seem to get us closer to a location
that leaves us the 20th or around 1900s
or the 19th, around the 1800s.
or the 18th around the 1700s
or the 17th around the 1600s
prior to that wouldn’t be likely to be associated with the general area to be a clue.

Need to give credit where it is due. After reviewing this entire thread again, Egbert briefly mentions the Dock Street Theatre in a very early post.
But the book has a lot of coincidences and I dont believe in coinicendence, at least not that many.
Regards,
Mac

I’m in almost complete agreement with this idea. Too many solid confirmers here–but we MUST find the white house and the “shadow” of the long palm in order to pinpoint the casque site.
Big disclaimer though: Hurricane Hugo (2005?) washed away a LOT of these islands. Lots of buildings, lots of landmarks. The “Katrina” of South Carolina. I don’t have much hope that a REAL casque will ever be uncovered. Not when he buried it in sand, much of which is now gone. Still, I wonder if we can ever pinpoint the burial site? I’m very happy with this location.

Lighthouse centric idea on what the Eighth scene might be:
Price’s Creek Lighthouse
Eight lighthouses once illuminated the 25-mile stretch of the Cape Fear River between Oak Island and Wilmington. Confederates destroyed these lighthouses as they lost control of the river. By the late 1880s, the lighthouses were replaced by unattended beacons. The brick shell known as Price’s Creek Lighthouse is the only one of the eight lighthouses built along the Cape Fear River that still stands.

shecrab

Just east of Sullivan’s island, is Isle of Palms, and is the home of many pirate legends about buried treasure. The first name of Isle of Palms was actually “Hunting Island,” then it was renamed “Long Island.” But at the “birth of a century” (i.e. 1899!) it was purchased by J. C. Long (!) and renamed Isle of Palms and Mr. Long began promoting it as a place to be “free of the heat and bustle” of Charleston’s hot summers. So “freedom at the birth of a century” might just have a much more mundane meaning!
The company that developed Isle of Palms as a “getaway” place is called Sea Pines Co. Note the PINE in the image.

Unknown

Unknown:
E. Lee Spence, a pioneer underwater archaeologist and prolific author of books and articles about shipwrecks and sunken treasure discovered, with the help of Isle of Palms residents Wally Shaffer and George Campsen Esq., many shipwrecks along the shores of the Isle of Palms in the 1960s. Their discoveries included the Civil War blockade runners Rattlesnake, Stonewall Jackson, Mary Bowers, Constance, Norseman and the Georgiana.

Yep, the Isle of Palms is definitely worth considering.
The fringes of the butterfly wings resemble beaches.
They have turtles (previously suggested). Sea Pines developed the “Wild Dunes” resort (circled) which gives us possible courts (scenes where law defended).
http://www.wilddunes.com
“John Charles Long (Known to everyone as J.C.)”
http://www.iloveiop.com/jclong.asp
(Previously suggested the lion with a cross in his mane as a Christ symbol –
Lion of Judah
…I suppose JC would be a bit of a stretch…)

I actually think this is more likely than a white-colored house. From the word-play that is evident in the other verses, it just seems a lot more reasonable.

another play with words could be if  “washington,dc” is on one of the stones embedded in the sand on the hobson sundial obelisk thing, right?

i thought about that the other day slappy and……..
sure enough, i found one, the only one as far as i can see,
was hoping the name would be edward, but no
and the building across the street use to be called
The Fort Sumter Hotel, now condos
Formerly: The Fort Sumter Hotel
1 King Street, Charleston, United States
http://www.glasssteelandstone.com/Build … l/3441.php
http://www.hmdb.org/PhotoFullSize.asp?PhotoID=64179
http://www.hmdb.org/marker.asp?marker=19148

There are at least 6 buildings in Historic Charleston which are credited in part (or whole) to E.B.White.
Only one is an actual “house”…Robert William Roper House…(although it might be said that the churches
are
houses of God
, or the U.S. Custom
House
.)
^ Edward Brickell White’s six historic buildings  in SC are:
College of Charleston
Huguenot Church
Market Hall and Sheds
Robert William Roper House
St. Philip’s Episcopal Church (credit for steeple)
U. S. Custom House (partial credit)
Here is a wonderful website that not only shows the Historic Landmarks and who built them,
but it also gives their longitudes and latitudes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Na … h_Carolina
As for the Robt. Wm. Roper House, it is “close at hand” to the White Point Gardens/Battery.
Looking at it from Google’s streetview, there appears to be something on the left side of the lower window detail.
Does it look like a lion head to you? I have not found any clear photos of the house with good enough resolution
to make it out clearly.
Still searching,
AP

The earthquake bolts in that house are covered by decorative plaques shaped like the heads of lions.  Here’s a better picture:

Jambone,
Excellent photo! Thanks!
AP

would have to agree with you shecrab. we feel fairly confident with ‘white is in color’ from another verse directing us to another mr. white.

The Secret (1982): “White house close at hand.”
Zork I (1980, opening line): “You are standing in an open field west of a white house, with a boarded front door. There is a small mailbox here.”

charris

…it is very difficult to take my focus away from the tennis court idea. That was a very clever solution…

Damn right.  ;D
Tried my best to persuade people in the vicinity, Friends of Lafayette Park, the tennis club, plenty others, to check it out, but to no avail. The hardest part of this book is the digging part.

Scott, the Wiki is useful, but it is not a solution key. It is as much speculation as anything written here.
You seem awfully sure that certain verses marry with certain images–when in fact, only TWO of them have been uncovered–two verses, two images. The rest is pure speculation based on observation and opinion–and is not FACT until proven.

I completely agree. Interestingly, the board has been particularly silent since the Japanese hints were translated. The two Abroad in America references don’t seem to coincide with hints given. Specifically, it was stated “don’t go looking in a library” for this book (regarding ‘palaces to shelter..”). The Edwin clue was more vague but why provide such a general reference to Charleston in the verses unless it was linked to a specific marker in White Point Gardens?
There is far more specificity in SF (RLS fountain, Edwin Booth, Octavia) and Charleston (Lane 22, palmetto, Osceola marker etc).
As a side note, of all the proposed solutions for any of the verses, your Fort Moultrie spot is the one I have the most confidence in. I do hope you find it someday.

davinci4

I completely agree. Interestingly, the board has been particularly silent since the Japanese hints were translated. The two Abroad in America references don’t seem to coincide with hints given. Specifically, it was stated “don’t go looking in a library” for this book (regarding ‘palaces to shelter..”). The Edwin clue was more vague but why provide such a general reference to Charleston in the verses unless it was linked to a specific marker in White Point Gardens?
There is far more specificity in SF (RLS fountain, Edwin Booth, Octavia) and Charleston (Lane 22, palmetto, Osceola marker etc).
As a side note, of all the proposed solutions for any of the verses, your Fort Moultrie spot is the one I have the most confidence in. I do hope you find it someday.

I think you need to qualify this post by saying that you are attributing the Verses differently than the generally accepted consensus, and then justifying your assertions base don translated clues which may or may not be correct.
If I understand, you have Verse 6 in San Fransisco and Verse 5 in Charleston? Also, you are specifically in White Point Gardens in Charleston?

My understanding was that the puzzles connected to precious stones like the diamond for April, Preiss made more difficult to find?

just look at the cuts of the diamond and you should know it’s not the most valuable stone of all.

drunknerds

On the other hand, dude didn’t seem to be a good judge of puzzle difficulty.

Rebel1313

My understanding was that the puzzles connected to precious stones like the diamond for April, Preiss made more difficult to find?

He said that in a newspaper jnterview while promoting the book
On the other hand, dude didn’t seem to be a good judge of puzzle difficulty.

JamesV

Nope, there’s nothing in Charleston at all that commemorates Blyden’s one visit to the city. When I started looking into a possible I2/V6 connection last year, the only Blyden monument/memorial I could find was over in Liberia, where he served in that country’s government after working in the Pan-African movement to repatriate slaves from the US.

Thanks Jamesv. After listening to the podcast and looking at the Wiki, other than a DEDICATION date of May 1913, are there any specific markers/phrases that match to White Point Garden? This location seems to have a majority option but still unclear why. No mention of Robert Louis Stevenson, Treasure Island etc. not to mention that the Japanese hint clearly referred to a historical event for May 1913 which is not the case for the White Point Gardens plaque.
Still like Fort Moultrie solve since utilizes so many specific markers in that area.

i just answered this…

davinci4

Thanks Jamesv. After listening to the podcast and looking at the Wiki, other than a DEDICATION date of May 1913, are there any specific markers/phrases that match to White Point Garden?
Still like Fort Moultrie solve since utilizes so many specific markers in that area.

If there are, I sure wasn’t able to find any. When I joined in 2017 I actually started from I2/V6 myself, based on the majority opinion from the Wiki site, but then had to rule out that pairing b/c the accepted “matches” just seemed like they were stretches. The only *possible* connection I turned up was the fact that there are two streets named “Battery”, which could possibly be seen as “Arms.” If you extended these streets straight out on a street map, you could possibly draw a line to the sandy area on the other side of the retaining wall, next to the SC Historical Society building. (I think that was actually Josh’s dig spot? Love your work JC!)
In any case, the complete lack of other matches in Verse 6 led me to do my homework, which included reading all the old posts on Q4T. In the Image 2 and V5/V6 threads specifically, it was easy to see how the group’s work was affected by both the “Abroad in America” google results, as well as the one-man takeover of the Wiki site.

From Charles Towne Landing, hows this for “between two arms extended”
http://www.flickr.com/photos/defenderso … 757026787/

Nice! What is that?

Here’s an analogy…
Let’s say some man dated a woman (One person’s solve). Gradually, the woman gets larger in size, starts to vomit regulary and doesn’t consume alcohol (Verse and Image Clues). The woman passes (Preiss passes) and is cremated (Casque “moved”), so it will never be known if she was pregnant and a paternity/DNA test cannot be performed. Can this man then rightfully say “I was going to be a father” (My solve is the only correct one) since the woman did not say she was pregnant (Preiss’ secrets) or if he was the father? What if another man came forward and said he dated her around the same time too (Someone else’s solve)?
The first man may deeply feel it in his heart that he was, and rightfully the other man, but without empirical proof, we’ll never know.

https://www.diffen.com/difference/Hypothesis_vs_Theory
A
hypothesis
is either a suggested explanation for an observable phenomenon, or a reasoned prediction of a possible causal correlation among multiple phenomena. In science, a
theory
is a tested, well-substantiated, unifying explanation for a set of verified, proven factors. A theory is always backed by evidence; a hypothesis is only a suggested possible outcome, and is testable and falsifiable.
A casque without doubt would solidify a theory.

gqchu

but without empirical proof, we’ll never know.

ergo nobody can claim a solution just a theory.

JoshCornell

the casque is gone though, so…

All you can actually say is… “The casque was not in my spot”
and since that fact is true and obvious, you might think the complete lack of anybody stopping looking elsewhere might indicate how most people view your solve.

maltedfalcon

All you can actually say is… “The casque was not in my spot”
and since that fact is true and obvious, you might think the complete lack of anybody stopping looking elsewhere might indicate how most people view your solve.

So true.

the casque is gone though, so…

Hi charris.  I like about half of your thoughts and already you seem to have gotten farther than myself with interpreting the verse.
The part i don’t agree with is the Byrds band idea.  Kinda seems out of the blue.  The yoke of a bell is a stroke of genius.

May 1st 1913 – Longacre Theater opens at 220 W 48th St NYC
26th – US Actors’ Equity Association forms (NYC)
I still believe this verse is referring to Booth the actor.
Of all the romance retold Verses referring to Plays
Men of tales and tunes
Edwin Booth came from a family of actors. His father was also a Shakespearean actor, as were his two brothers, John Wilkes Booth and Junius Booth, Jr. Edwin appeared with his brothers in several performances, but neither of his brothers achieved the level of success in acting that Edwin did. His brother, John Wilkes Booth, did achieve notoriety that surpassed Edwin’s. While Edwin himself was a supporter of President Abraham Lincoln, his brother John was an extreme secessionist. This drove a wedge between the brothers, and Edwin was as shocked and outraged as the rest of the country when his brother, John Wilkes, shot President Lincoln on April 14th, 1865.
Ironically, Edwin Booth had actually saved the life of, or at least prevented serious injury to, Lincoln’s eldest son, Robert Todd Lincoln the previous year. As Lincoln and Booth were waiting at a train platform to buy sleeping cars, the train began to move and Lincoln lost his footing. According to Robert Lincoln, Edwin Booth grabbed him by the collar and pulled him back to his feet. Lincoln recognized the famous actor and thanked him for his efforts, and Lincoln recalled the incident several times in writing and in conversation, although Booth did not know the name of the man he had saved until years later. It was less than a year after this event that Booth’s brother took the life of Lincoln’s father.

Interesting dellucc. I like the idea of plays, performances, stages, etc to fulfill those lines.
And speaking of NY, I think the Vesey reference I was talking about above was not added into City Hall (Charleston) until fairly recently. The woman I spoke with said the 90s or early 2000s…I can’t remember. Kind of a bust there.

I was just re-reading page 219 of the book (the one about the treasure and how to claim it) and it says “It is not the intention of the Fair People to destroy the beauty of nature or Man through their challenge.”  To me, this quote would work against the theory that BP dug through asphalt or expected us to do the same.

Holley Monument Update
We received a reply to our request to dig on the back side of the Holley Monument.
The New York City Department of Parks and Recreation wants to avoid uneeded construction (asphalt removal and repair) in the Holley area. So, the answer was a solid “no”.
When we presented a counter offer of digging during the upcoming renovation we got a VERY promising response, “I don’t see why not”. The Parks said that all the asphalt would be removed during the renovation. It was agreed that with asphalt removed there should be nothing to rule out a future dig. So, the final answer was “yes, but not right now”.   😉
Our contacts in the New York City Parks have had been very polite and seem interested in our quest.
Turtle
and I will be in New York in mid October for other business and plan to survey the location and possibly meet with those Parks contacts.
The Washington Square Park renovation is still held up in the courts.
Turtle
and I will stay on top of that upcoming dig window and keep you guys posted on any changes or updates. The following link is probably the best source for updates on the ongoing renovation battle.
http://www.plannyc.org/project-90-Washington-Square-Park-Redesign
Thanks for everyone’s help in proving in this solution.

Hi, new to this site and to The Secret. I have been thinking that I2 is tied with V6. One of the big questions I have is – what is the significance of Byron using OR twice in the verse? Any ideas?

This is a bit of stretch but one of the rarest US coins is the Eliasberg Liberty Head Nickel or V Cents. One recently sold for $4.5M.
Back to the liberty on the Dewey monument.

If,
May 1913 = MAINE CAPSTAN
Then perhaps,
“Or May 1913” = OR MAINE CAP = CAPE ROMAIN

My thoughts on…
Between two arms extended
Below the bar that binds
Supported by two arms (concrete blocks) the cistern barrell (bar) that holds (hold = bind) water
the blocks do not in anyway resemble arms. feet perhaps not arms.
the cistern also really doesn’t seem remotely barrel-like.
and lastly holding is not at all binding.
also the leap to barabas seems very remote and un-likely.
I really like the C – Harleston !

Thanks for your thoughts maltedfalcon.
I personally thing something which contains or holds something is “binding”.  To say that the word bind doesn’t mean “to hold” is to discount the dictionary as factor.
Barabas being the most significant “FREEDOM” related aspect of the crucifixion is purely without argument.  Sorry, but I’ve attended enough mass (not just Easters and Christmas) to know this.  So saying Barabas is a leap in that respect is purely a pathetic opinion that falls short of seeing the overall point of “Harken to the words:”.
The point of Harleston as being a Charleston clue in the verse might be a good idea, but that doesn’t seem to be necessary given that we have absolutely vivid clues to Charleston already in the image with the map segment and the lat and long.
I think I’ve come very close to locating the casque in SC now that I’ve got a fully formed perspective.
The first lines of verse 6 indicate “treasure island”.
The last line is a riddle: White house (President), “closest at hand” = Vice President.
The type of moth defined by the wing pattern is the Polyphemus moth.
In Greek mythology, Polyphemus was a giant, a cyclops, and blinded by Odysseus.
Seen by (witnessed)
Eyes of old (blindness may result from old age)
A lighthouse might be seen as a giant with one eye.
Pulling it all together: find a lighthouse on an island with a keeper who shares the same name as one of our Vice Presidents.
The Keeper of the Cape Romain Lighhouse involved in the murder of his wife in 1873 was named Andrew Johnson, which is also the name of President Lincoln’s successor.
I should add that this photo of the 1827 lighthouse and cisterns is taken from the top of the stairs of the 1857 lighthouse.  What a perfect parallel: this lighthouse anf Polyphemus are both giant, one-eyed, and blinded.

I’m still thinking “freedom at the birth of a century” is the time capsule next to the obelisk in Washington Park, and that “White house close at hand” is referring to the County Courthouse, across the street (designed by Hoban, then seen by Washington and asked Hoban to do the White House).
And May 1913
Presented by
The Navy Department
To the City of Charleston
Through the Courtesy of
U.S. Senator Benjamin P. Tillman
May, 1913

Glossiphoniidae

I’m still thinking “freedom at the birth of a century” is the time capsule next to the obelisk in Washington Park, and that “White house close at hand” is referring to the County Courthouse, across the street (designed by Hoban, then seen by Washington and asked Hoban to do the White House).

I really like the way that resolves the line, but I don’t see the connections to get to that place  in the thematic way and the designation of a dig spot has been unclear.  The “time” integrated in the “Sumter tag” hanging from the chain is time-capsuley, and Pearman Bridge might play into it…oh, hey, that gives me an idea:  it’s over the Cooper River…Cooper/Barrel maker?
An interesting idea came to someone I chatted with last week from tweleve.org in response to my take on “Between two arms extended”.  I said it sounded like two men in a duel of pistols.  He said, “sounds like Aaron Burr vs Alexander Hamilton.”  I totally loved that idea.  I like that it involved a Vice President and a Treasurer (treasurer island?!  :D).  I also thought it was a cool clue should the casque be found near Weehawken, but obviously that doesn’t work here.  Perhaps there would’ve been some great duel in SC…Civil War??  Perhaps between two arms extended there are two wrists, hands, pistols with bullets and barrels…a cloud of smoke and twenty paces (ten paces for each participant).
I might bring attention to the sermon of the anti-dueling pamphlet in response to the death of Alexander Hamilton.  Curious, what in SC might be relatable to Hamilton?
Back to thoughts concerning Freedom at the birth of a century, I suggest it could be about Barabas’ release from prison.  I just now consider the citation that cistern is also a reference to a dungeon or underground prison.  This cistern barrel is a prison for water.  It holds it and it releases it.

WhiteRabbit

OK…you’re saying that the shape of the park is in the image, and point out the pearl/moon link. The most moon-like thing in Image 1 is the 11 spheres hovering overhead. So how about we say these are pearls…
…and compare the map to the image like this…
Except your map of GG park and the image of the lady are backwards, if the map is correct your picture of the lady needs to be reversed left to right
…putting Lafayette on the pearl shown top right.

forest_blight

“Blyden had two children, Edwin and Edwina.”
A small point: My reading of the passage is that the twins Edwin and Edwina were not Blyden’s children — they were simply named for him (according to
Abroad in America
).

forest_blight

tjgrey’s note about Denmark Vesey slipped under the radar for me, so thanks erexere for bringing it back to the fore. This is indeed exciting. There may be something here.

Unknown

Unknown:
Edward Wilmot Blyden (3 August 1832 – 7 February 1912), the father of pan-Africanism, was an educator, writer, diplomat, and politician primarily in Liberia. Born in the West Indies, he joined the free black immigrants to the region from the United States; he also taught for five years in the British West African colony of Sierra Leone in the early 20th century. His writings on pan-Africanism were influential in both colonies, which were started during the slavery years for the resettlement of free blacks from the United States and Great Britain.

It’s hard for me to tell, but based on other users posts over the years and some of the activities on other sites, such as the pbwiki, it seems that few people retain or focus on the fact that the Abroad in America reference even exists or the fact that the figure for whom Edwin and Edwina are named after is Edward Wilmot Blyden. WHO is this person, and WHAT do they have to do with Charleston or any sort of motif that follows a logic suggested by the poem or image structure?
As far as the Wikipedia indicates, and maybe this is enough to satisfy some lead, the first few sentences about EWB are as follows:
I would like to highlight that the most significant connection for EWB to Charleston is his political operations in Liberia and his support/initiative for the movement of free blacks to Liberia. I can think that the only reason for his connection to this puzzle is to recognize some the role of Liberia or perhaps the history of its founding in connection with Charleston, which leads us to the events of 1822 which brings us to the question of Denmark Vesey and whether his gain of freedom in 1800 connects to the line “freedom at the birth of a century”.

I am beginning to think the whole point of the Edwin and Edwina line might have been to simply identify the city that goes with the verse. EWB may be completely unimportant to the hunt apart from identifying Charleston as the city where Edwin and Edwina were named after someone.

Hi F_B,
I see what you mean. The AiA reference does bring Charleston into the context, so you could have it right, but I just sat down with my copy of AiA and theres a fair amount of content about Blyden, chapter 16, pages 157-166, and I cant shake the feeling that the most of it embodies the sense that emmigration to Liberia is the central focus. Hmm.

Well, I am a firm believer in verse 7 going with image 1, and I am pretty sure if it does then
I solved the location,  but…
Since there wasn’t a casque where I dug, I admit I could be wrong.
So I asked, what other verse, could possibly go with image 1 and San Francisco, smugly knowing that there aren’t any..
Then someone said, how about verse 6?, – verse 6? right, doesn’t that go with Florida?
So the first lines of the verse are definitly from  the preface to Robert Louis Stevenson’s treasure Island.
and outside of Treasure Island Naval station in the bay, there are no Robert Louis Stevenson Connections to San Francisco, Right?
Doh!
a little checking revealed Robert Louis Stevenson, did live in San Francisco… Just south of ChinaTown. (about a block from where Raymond Chandler lived on Bush St) RLS used to love to walk through ChinaTown
and hang out in a park called portsmouth Square.  (which happens to be filled with all kinds of monuements and plaques, its a very historical part of SF)
According to his Bio, he sat in the park and told stories to the children, “Under the watchful eyes of the old chinese” people. There is a monument to RLS in portsmouth square, and originally it was the centerpiece of the Stevenson Fountain…
Here it gets murky…. accoss from portsmouth square is the site of the Jenny Lind Theater. where notably Edwin Booth performed…
The street that goes between the site of the jenny lind and portsmouth square , Kearny, runs right up to hill on which sits coit tower, and it is one of the streets that show up in the map in the dragon on the gown.
I cannot find references to the dates in the verse in the area, but someone on site might have better luck.
Its possible the shape under the table in image 1 matches a street lamp from portsmouth square (there are several different chinatown themed streetlamps around.
The white house is problematic, as BP was expecting the casques to be found shortly, if it simply refers to a house that was painted white, there is no guarantee the house is still that color…

I’m a V7 fan too, malt, but I like your reasoning and the connections you are drawing. But still, Edwin and Edwina, man! They
have
to be Charleston.

Im not clear on the Edwin- Edwina booth connection.
Edwina booth changed her name to Edwina booth but she took the name edwina after a favorite uncle
and the name booth came from:
During this time she changed her name to Edwina Booth (Edwina after her favorite granduncle Edwin and Booth after her grandfather John Edge Booth).
so she is not named after edwin booth….
where did the booth connection come from other than there was a famous actor named Edwin booth.
There were a lot of edwins out there….

There is more than one Edwin/Edwina connection to Charleston. The most impressive one I found was
EDWIN HARLESTON
, the African/American painter of portraits–he and his wife had no children, but they adopted his niece as a small child and named her Edwina,
after Edwin
. The Harlestons lived in Charleston, and this matches the African theme of the image we have used to pair with the verse. There is a museum near the old Cabbage Row where some of his paintings are hung. Also, he was a charter member of the NAACP.
I know there is another Edwin, who had twins named after him as well…but I don’t have time to look back through the thread to find the name.

That is a therory. I still think this is one of three possible verses that go with St. Louis. The others are Verse 3 and 10. I think this because with a general interpretation any of these three verses could fit Forest Park. I am confident that Image 9 is STL and the image seems to indicate Forest Park or an area around Forest Park. But I too am stumped by white house close at hamd. I will be sending Image 9 and these three verses to the STL Parks and Recreation Department soon to see what they think. Their are some definate confirmers in each of these verses. The confirmers deal with either the History of the park or a definate landmark that someone familier with the park would know.
I think the real reason this hunt did not go over was because too few copies of the book were sold originally and even fewer were sold to people close enough to the casque sites that they would know the historical and landmark clues to make a match. I think only about 50,000 copies were sold.
The images too had very obvious clues to someone that lived in the city of the casque.

wow, i like that “fair renown”
here’s a picture of it
http://www.waymarking.com/gallery/image … 52dbf072a7
i don’t recall having seen that mentioned b4
lol, and i was there and don’t remember it

Wow jstarr, the work you and Laura have done on this is inspiring! Very well researched indeed! This will provide fodder for discussion for a long time, I think.

This is a continuation of a solution begun under Image 2.
To recap: I am making an argument for Image 2 pointing to Charleston SC and the park being Washington Square Park (City Hall Park).
I would suggest reading my posts under Image 2 first and then returning here.
http://www.quest4treasure.co.uk/forum/http://test.quest4treasure.co.uk/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?p=99439#p99439
Below is how I see Verse 6 applying to my solution.
THE VERSE ANALYSIS
Of all the romance retold
Men of tales and tunes
Cruel and bold
Seen here
By eyes of old
As has been pointed out before the first four lines seem to be paraphrased from Robert Louis Stevenson’s Dedication to “Treasure Island”.
http://books.google.com/books?id=TdTMkYgOkLYC&pg=PA283&lpg=PA283&dq=Robert+Louis+Stevenson,++Blackbeard&source=bl&ots=Dme0XswkWl&sig=pOByPAInT1VKqfDw8AhZP5kaIE8&hl=en&ei=86iBSoriLaOntgfdhdnOCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1#v=onepage&q=Robert%20Louis%20Stevenson%2C%20%20Blackbeard&f=false
Robert Louis Stevenson relied heavily on a description of Blackbeard for the creation of Long John Silver in Treasure Island.
In May 1718, Blackbeard’s pirate fleets appeared at Charleston, South Carolina. They plundered vessels, took important citizens prisoner and extorted medical supplies from the city before leaving.
http://www.charlestonpirates.com/edward_teach.html
Thus these lines serve to point us toward pirates and, I think, Charleston. It may also point to the oldest sections of the city and the specific location of the Pink House (Sailors Tavern) on Chalmers Street.
I also found this information, that also seems to point to the Pink House. “…the Pink House was also the founding site for an unusual club called the Piping and Marching Society of Lower Chalmers Street. … It was begun by a group of World War II veterans for philosophical discussions and judicious beer drinking. Each month a member gave a serious paper on a subject outside his chosen professional field and during their ‘Winter Rout’, a prize was awarded for the best presentation. At this meeting and at their ‘Summer Frolic’, the group marched through the city accompanied by bagpipes.”
http://pinkhousegallery.tripod.com/id13.html
122 East Bay, The Old Exchange and Provost Dungeon also has a strong pirate connection but no clear African theme as I will demonstrate for Chalmers street.
Stand and listen to the birds
Hear the cool, clear song of water
Harken to the words:
At the time the casques were buried, The Pink House was being used as a law office but it did have a rear walled courtyard with a fountain. Standing next to the wall and facing Chalmers Street, the Old Slave Mart Museum can be easily seen across the street to the right.
6 Chalmers St, Old Slave Mart Museum
— After an 1856 Charleston ordinance ended the public sale of slaves, a number of sales rooms, yards, or marts were created along Chalmers, State, and Queen streets. The auction of slaves at the Old Slave Mart ended in 1863. In the 1870s the shed was altered for use as a tenement for black families and later an auto repair shop. From 1938 to the 1980s the building housed a privately owned museum of African and African American arts and crafts.
http://www.ccpl.org/content.asp?id=15669&action=detail&catID=6028&parentID=5747#8
The following lines represent what you should be thinking about as you stand next to this old pirate tavern looking at a much later slave mart.
Harken to the words:
Freedom at the birth of a century
Or May 1913
Edwin and Edwina named after him
Or on the eighth a scene
Where law defended
These lines are about slavery, emancipation and segregation which are all African American issues that will ultimately lead us west down the street to Washington Square Park.
Freedom at the birth of a century
— Paraphrase of lines from Lincoln’s Gettysburg Address.
“Four score and seven years ago our fathers
brought forth on this continent, a new nation
… that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain — that this nation, under God, shall have a
new birth of freedom
…”
Or May 1913
— 1913 was the 50th anniversary of the Battle of Gettysburg (July 1-3) and the Emancipation Proclamation (celebrated on multiple dates). Both occasions were celebrated widely. However, soon after his inauguration and particularly in May, Woodrow Wilson’s begins pushing forward his policy of ”The New Freedom” and publishes
“The New Freedom: A Call for The Emancipation of The Generous Energies of a People.”
Wilson sites Lincoln as model but he was seeking freedom from trusts and monopolies. He also did a great deal to institutionalize segregation into the federal government and was slow to recognize women’s suffrage as well. He sites Lincoln put the nation is well on its way to healing by pushing African Americans to the back of the bus.
The two lines form a though about emancipation. It’s expectation and denial.
Edwin and Edwina named after him
— Edward Wilmot Blyden. Blyden’s visit to Charleston in 1889 and the twins named for him is mentioned in “Abroad in America” but is also in other sources. I had another source that even mentioned where he stayed while in the city but I was working on a different theory at the time and have lost the reference. I think it may have been in a biography about Blyden but haven’t been able to get out of the house to track it down.
I found Blyden early because I was focusing on major African American events in Charleston and he popped up. I have also noticed that there seems to have been a lot of writing done about him in the late 1970’s. A search of EBSCO Host shows a lot of scholarly work during this time. So Preiss referencing him would not have been obscure or dependant upon the single book.
Most importantly is why reference Blyden. Blyden was advocating immigration to Liberia because it would allow the creation of an African country where Blacks where the majority and in charge. He strongly disapproved of white and black integration and received a fair amount of criticism for his prejudice against people of mixed ancestry or mulattoes.
Or on the eighth a scene
Where law defended
— I am not completely clear about the first line yet, but I think I understand the second part.
Washington Square Park is located next to the intersection of Broad and Meeting Streets. This intersection is known as the Four Corners of Law. Charleston City Hall, the Charleston County Court House, the Federal Post office and St. Michael’s Church make up the intersection.
In the late 1940’s and earl 50’s Judge Julius Waring handed down several decisions that greatly influenced voting rights and segregation in South Carolina and the nation from his Federal court room in the Court House. Most important was June 1951 Briggs v. Elliott. Judge Waring was part of a three-judge panel presented with substantial psychological evidence and expert testimony on African-American school conditions. The court denied the plaintiffs’ request to abolish school segregation. Instead, they ordered the school board to begin equalization of the schools. In a lone dissenting opinion, Judge Julius Waring adamantly opposed segregation in public education. Siting the intentions of the 14th Amendment and concluding, “Segregation is per se inequality”
The appeal of this decision was combined with other such cases to become Brown v. Board of education. Waring’s decent became the foundation of the decision overturning Separate but equal in the US Supreme Court.
Together this second part of lines seems to be a thought about segregation. It’s begining and result.
We begin with happy bold pirates (Pink House) move to a place to consider African American issues (the Old Slave Mart) and end with the law defending their rights (County Court House). Much as the image seems to take us on a tour of Chalmers Street, the verse has lead us from one end to the other.
Between two arms extended
Below the bar that binds
Beside the long palm’s shadow
Embedded in the sand
Waits the Fair remuneration
White house close at hand.
I believe the final lines are specific directions to the casque location but I need to look over the site before going further.
I do think that the line “Waits the
Fair remuneration
” is very similar to a line on the Washington Light Infantry obelisk at the center of the park. Inscription: “… They were of the very flower of the ancient city her young hope and
fair renown
”
But I don’t want to go further without a recon.
So that’s what we have. It’s not the complete solution Laura and I hoped to one day present but we ran out of time.
If you have ideas or would like to join me, I will be going to Charleston soon. I can’t be sure exactly when but probably within a month or two.
So what do you think?

I dont necessarily think BP thought that people (all readers) would find
Abroad in America, but if he used it as a source and /or inspiration
he could fall back on its veracity for forming the clues within the verses.
Not having a copy of the book, I would wonder on another solve if it were in
the book and how it was handled:  the meeting of Lewis and Clark at the Ohio
River?

Unknown

Unknown:
People have been strongly opinionated against the idea. Exactly why isnt clear

Quite simply, you have presented no evidence that this solve is consistent with the other two (Chicago and Cleveland) that we know. Or for that matter, any of the other puzzles where we think we have a reasonable idea about how they are supposed to work (Milwaukee, Roanoke, FoY, Houston). With all due respect, your “solutions” only work in your head. They appear to be of little value to anyone else.

Euhirudinea

Quite simply, you have presented no evidence that this solve is consistent with the other two (Chicago and Cleveland) that we know. Or for that matter, any of the other puzzles where we think we have a reasonable idea about how they are supposed to work (Milwaukee, Roanoke, FoY, Houston). With all due respect, your “solutions” only work in your head. They appear to be of little value to anyone else.

When I say it isnt clear, you return a hollow arguement without specificity. So with all due respect, I have offerex specifics to many of the class of theories in which I rely on the distinction that Chicago and Cleveland are themselves highly theorized, i.e. existing in people’s minds, with very little to be verified by the author in the way of specific declarations. The findings of those casques are not themselves absolute proof of every piece of BP’s methodology. There is without doubt room for discussion when it comes to the parameters of the puzzle. Your argument is one of consensus fallacy.
I only have theories, and they dont “work” in terms only of my imagination. I share historic references and any hopeful visuals for consideration. If you are unwilling to rcognize there can be a flaw in the consensis paradigm, then I understand why you avoid addressing such specifics that rely on actual dates, or citations, which may be expected discoverable to anyone from a pre-internet perspective.

erexere

When I say it isnt clear, you return a hollow arguement without specificity. So with all due respect, I have offerex specifics to many of the class of theories in which I rely on the distinction that Chicago and Cleveland are themselves highly theorized, i.e. existing in people’s minds, with very little to be verified by the author in the way of specific declarations. The findings of those casques are not themselves absolute proof of every piece of BP’s methodology. There is without doubt room for discussion when it comes to the parameters of the puzzle. Your argument is one of consensus fallacy.
I only have theories, and they dont “work” in terms only of my imagination. I share historic references and any hopeful visuals for consideration. If you are unwilling to rcognize there can be a flaw in the consensis paradigm, then I understand why you avoid addressing such specifics that rely on actual dates, or citations, which may be expected discoverable to anyone from a pre-internet perspective.

I am going to have to agree with erexere here, renovator. You compellingly disseminate enterprise paradigms without appropriately meshing go-forward schemas. On top of that, you simply evoke granular imperatives, and you progressively incubate intermandated prospectives. This has been detrimental to holisticly engaging functionalized strategic themes across the puzzles. Just stop already, and try to offer something of substance.

Thank you for your stochastic sarcasm, four21thrasher. When you weigh in, we feel all burdens lifted. Who needs a mule when we have you for a valet of reason?
Blyden was known as the father of Pan-Africanism. He was considered a great man for specific reasons. He applied himself significantly as a theologian. The golden fruit on the branch in Image 2 might be symbolic of something biblical. The “bearing of fruit” is well-known as a metaphor for being the “good” results which come from being a “good” disciple. To some these “fruits” involve bearing children and the duty of passing on the teachings in accordance with the scriptures.
Thoughts on a practical application for this biblical fruit? The fruit hangs just above the daisy. All that comes to mind when I think of kids and daisy’s is this youtube vid:
https://youtu.be/ViXBdfw7ZEs
Then the idea of the lighthouse with it’s light removed seems to share the same meaning as a daisy with it’s head popped off…

I think that when you try and explain the
feeling
of the puzzle, erexere, something gets lots in translation. What seems clear in your mind is nowhere near as clear to those reading it. It’s more helpful to have some sort of system where you can tell us that x=a, y=b, z=c, rather than try and describe xyz in a way that ascribes the essence of abc.
I’m personally okay with considering theories that seem to conflict with what we think we know, considering that going by what we think we know hasn’t exactly yielded any results. But I have trouble following your train of thought, and even when I do, following that train of thought often leads to a derailment miles down the line, so I’m sometimes hesitant to hop down your rabbit hole unless I have plenty of time. :p
But I at least appreciate that you’re trying to offer something of substance–something that plenty of others on this forum aren’t even
allowed
to do. I think we need to find 421 a new hobby to supplement his treasure hunting, since his current one seems to be logging into a forum just to bitch about you.

Frisco

I think we need to find 421 a new hobby to supplement his treasure hunting, since his current one seems to be logging into a forum just to bitch about you.

Please do. I’ll be happy to hear about it when I get back from
actually
digging in a city I am travelling to dig at. Hit me up then with your ideas!

Maybe you could start a dirt collection from all these empty holes you’ve dug.

Well, i dont know about everyones private motives. The motive to discuss the puzzle because we dont know the answers should be abundantly clear. To some the motive is more about expressing their frustration and belittling others for their own inadequacies.
I wish I were a better writer and I could relay my process better. At one time I was very sharp at solving equations in 400 level chem and physics, but that doesnt seem to help me in this historical and literary world. The only thing that keeps me going is a good-natured desire to work with others. The problem isnt so much that I am on a different track; you maie a great point that my theories can take an extreme turn and lose the audience. Thats something I can work on. Tell me where the gap is and I will address it. How’s that?
It may be that I (or anyone else) simply dont have the correct starting point. The best we have are some vague references to Blyden and RLS. The pbwiki talks about Poe living on Sulivans when he was assigned to Ft. Moultrie. There are so many disconnected references to the pbwiki, theres little to no strategy to isolate a thematic connection.
In Chicago I went into depth on the suspected participation of a fair folk adaptation for “electricity” and how the “ten by thirteen” fell in line with the theme as a grid. The “grid” is a common euphamism for the electric grid. The windmill as a power generator is a great supporting hint for a theme based strategy. I did the same for Cleveland in how it involves finding a terminal and vessel as defined by Greek architecture and the connection to nymphs holding spring water. Nobody seems to be discussing thematic points of view as defined by the fair folk of origin.

Here’s a juicy date in history: April 12th.
On April 12th, 1861, the first shots were fired at Fort Sumter, beginning the American Civil War.
On April 12th, 1980, the first shots were fired in an “indiginous” uprising in Liberia leading to the death of their President William Tolbert, Jr. (born May 13, 1913)

Frisco

Maybe you could start a dirt collection from all these empty holes you’ve dug.

From all indications, he’s done a lot of digging. I’m actually proud of his empty-handed accomplishements. Any digging at all is a remarkable feat.
I think there’s an actual rule only found in the rare signed pre-release copies of the Secret that say it’s required to dig a lot and then make some externalizing excuse as to why your theory can’t be wrong.

In thinking more broadly about the verse, I’m wondering why the word “remuneration” is important to this puzzle. Could it have something to do with a standard denomination for a coin or bill? Could it be related to a particular President? Does Charleston, S.C. tie specifically to one particular bill more than the others?

In 1873, resembling bank notes, the South Carolina Railroad printed it’s own “Fare Tickets”. Each One-dollar denomination represented 25 miles of travel fare.

just following up on the sand dollar idea…….probably nothing but have to let them play out before i can move on
say the pear is a yellow plum for plum island, follow it down through the daisy to folly beach where there is a famous “SandDollar Social Club”
and the “EDWIN”  S. Taylor fishing pier with a large “diamond shape”, famous and old
small picture at the top here:
http://www.follybeach.com/islandmap.php
the “bar that binds”:
http://flickr.com/photos/ronschubert/297035969/

i know nothing points to johns island, but just look at this angel oak and read the poem at this site
http://www.petticoated.com/angeloakA03.html
it has “eyes of old”
“romance”
“hangings’
plus the land was owned by abraham “WAIGHT”
johns island serves as a gateway to the other islands—

slappy, there is no mention of “eyes of old” on that page. And you got my hopes up!

i’m sorry, i just meant the tree had seen a lot of things because it is over 1400 years old.

a couple of ideas i had for “Fair remuneration” besides what is obvious, that it just means that “here is your reward, the casque”
because Fair is capitalized…..Fair re————-, fairy, ferry
or also it meaning  “reward, or pay” ——–it being “embedded in the sand”……………….sand dollars
maybe a Sand Dollar hotel, hopefully painted “white” …………..
and “Fair” could mean “white”——-like that edward brickell white who designed the market hall

It was once a drinking fountain.

WhiteRabbit

It was once a drinking fountain.

That’s right! I remember that photo now!

davinci4

Completely agree. This verse seems like a walkthrough in SF with the beginning maybe starting at a water fountain (clear sounds of water). Any ideas on a water fountain? There are so many in SF. The one in Ghirardelli Square seems like an obvious one with reversed “GH” in the image. Nob Hill has a fountain. It is on Clay Street which would take you to my favorite spot (LaFayette Park).

If verse 6 references RLS in SF then there is a fountain in portsmouth square.
and the lightposts around the square look like this…
please not that which holds up the light…

maltedfalcon

If verse 6 references RLS in SF then there is a fountain in portsmouth square.
and the lightposts around the square look like this…
please not that which holds up the light…

Okay. That’s VERY interesting. Great find!!… Is the Robert Louis Stevenson monument a water fountain or is there another one there?

davinci4

Okay. That’s VERY interesting. Great find!!… Is the Robert Louis Stevenson monument a water fountain or is there another one there?

I think there was a fountain nearby, but I’m not sure anymore ,on top of the monument is a sailing ship and waves of water…

wilhouse

Egbert, didn’t you once say that Preiss told you that there was no treasure in philly?
wilhouse

As I recall, he said he didn’t think he hid one there.  This was in 2001, I believe.  He was not 100% certain, but he seemed pretty sure.  This is when we all thought that the “L” and Bell in Image 4 was  “screaming” Philly.

Nowhere in this forum has anyone said Philly is “out”.  V6 only screams Philly.  What was the first place you thought of when you first seen this “Secret”?  Go with it, your probably right.  Red herrings are red herrings.  Com’n lads!

For the Charleston location, what are the leads so far that connect to the words “Or May 1913”?
I’ve done a lot of research into that date. The preceeding line “Freedom at the birth of a century” is something I believe sets up a lead to think the May 1913 is related to a particular person’s birth. It is entirely possible this relates to
this guy
, which can follow a steady line of reasoning from origins in South Carolina to Edward Wilmot Blyden and the ripples of slavery and revolt in Pan-American history.
I think there is a connection to Liberia, from its founding to the assassination of its 20th president, and the Sumter pendant (looking more like military dog-tags) is a symbol for ideals against slavery and possibly a lead to the assination of Lincoln. It’s important to note that dog tags serve as a means to identify fallen soldiers. Soldiers in the Civil War scatched their personal information on their belt buckles or wrote their information down on a piece of paper or letter that they held on their person. Modern tags traditionally come in pairs, one tag is collected and the second is left with the dead soldier for identification. The “Edwin and Edwina” as a reference to twins might reinforce this dual tag idea.
Perhaps this puzzle involves finding a number of “paired” references.

I remember that too.  Perhaps Johann posted it?
wilhouse

I’m new to the site.  I read in a post earlier in this thread that BP said there is no treasure burried in Central Park.  I am just wondering how/when BP conveyed this message.  I just wanted to verify it before I dismiss an idea.

Poking around some more, it looks like the Tin How temple (
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tin_How_Temple
) is also dedicated to Mazu. That one’s on Waverly Place, only a block over from Grant Ave… and it was founded in 1852, a solid 130 years before The Secret was published.
I’m still not able to connect the dots any further, but hopefully these ideas might convince some open-minded SF searcher to do a walk-through of the area.

Poseidon was god of the sea. The victory on top of the Dewey monument holds his Trident. So I guess you can call her the goddess of the sea. She’s also a victory without wings. So She’s a wingless bird.

Everyone’s a critic

I’ll try to jumpstart conversation on Verse 6. You were making so much progress, it seems a shame to abandon it. I wish I had something new to add, but I don’t – you guys are geniuses.
Here is a summary of the information from this thread I found the most compelling, plus a few thoughts of my own thrown in for good measure. In the following cthree is championing White Point Gardens in Charleston, SC (and hence Image 2) whereas dan39decoy is championing Forest Park in St. Louis (and hence, presumably, Image 9). We
know
there are casques hidden in each of those cities, if I am not mistaken.
Of all the romance retold
Men of tales and tunes
Cruel and bold
Definitely a reference to the forward of
Treasure Island
. “Men of tales and tunes” are sailors in the poem. “Cruel and bold” makes them pirates. Just to get people thinking, there is an actual Treasure Island in San Francisco Bay.
cthree, 7/3/04
: Verse 6 has always been my pick for Charleston after the discoveries about pirates and the Battery (White Point Gardens) is full of pirate history. Basically there is a really nice pirate monument dedicated to the trial of Stede Bonnet and his crew at whitepoint-where they were also hanged and buried. This i liked alot. The first few lines of the poem especially after the treasure island find is all about pirates. I knew that stede and his crew were tried at whitepoint… but had no idea they were buried there
Seen here
By eyes of old
cthree’s observation that pirates are actually buried at WPG makes these two lines a little more understandable, but what is meant by “eyes of old”? Is it near a retirement community? Is OLD an acronym or initials of some sort?
Stand and listen to the birds
dan39decoy, 5/19/04
: The original bird flight cage from the 1904 Fair can still be found in the Zoo in Forest Park.
dan39decoy, 6/4/04
: The 1904 flight cage and the World’s Fair Pavillion fountain are located near each other, but you could make these lines work any number of places.
Hear the cool, clear song of water
cthree, 7/3/04
: –there was a multitude of birds there. Seagulls and pigeons… they seemed to be an attraction lots of people feeding them. The water could be the sea.
This line provides absolutely no help (pretty much everything is near water) unless the specific word choice means something, which I am inclined to believe.
Harken to the words:
Freedom at the birth of a century
Or May 1913
Edwin and Edwina named after him
Catherwood, 4/12/03
: I am confident that I have found “Edwin and Edwina” and the man who is their namesake. There was a famous actor named Edwin Booth (1833-1893), and a famous portrait of him with his daughter Edwina.  Edwin was named for Edwin Forrest. Edwin Forrest (1806-1872) was a major presence in American theater.  He built a castle on the Hudson River near New York City and a brownstone mansion on Broad Street in Philadelphia, where the actors of the Freedom Theater put on plays today.  Springbrook was his country house in Holmesburg, a suburb of Philadelphia, where there is now an elementary school named after him.
SoonerFan, 5/17/04
: The 1904 World’s fair was held in Forest Park (Edwin Forrest) in St Louis (Robert -Louis St- evenson) and celebrated the Louisiana Purchase (“freedom at the..”).
Or on the eighth a scene
Eighth what? Eighth of May? Eighth panel in a series of paintings? The word “scene” implies a depiction or relief of some sort, if it is “on” something.
Where law defended
cthree, 7/3/04
: In order, one after another as you walk through,you pass a statue dedicated to William Sims an author and historian. This fit nicely with the “harken to the words” part–then as you continue to walk the next monument is dedicated to the soldies at Fort Moultrie during the revoloutionary war. I had always taken “Freedon at the birth of a century” to mean 1800 or 1900—but how do we here in America measure our centuries? Our bicenntenial was in 1976. I liked this statue for the “freedom” line. Then next came my favorite discovery. I had looked up “May 1913” on google so many times i was sick of typing it. Nothing of Charleston/pirate importance ever. Well, the first thing i noticed about the next monument (the capstan of the USS Maine) was that it was dedicated in May 1913 and said that really big on a plaque on the side. Continuing on, just of to your side is the pirate monument “Edwin and Edwina” could very well be named after Edward Teach (Blackbeard) next to that is a stature dedicated to the crew of the hunley that was dedicated on the 8th of some month —(lol cant remeber found that info in the library)
Between two arms extended
dan39decoy, 5/19/04
: Also, as I posted in the Image 9 thread, there is a large statue of St. Francis with arms extended in the Jewel Box gardens.  I believe he is surrounded by stone geese, but I’ll have to consult the pictures I took this weekend.
Perhaps this is a reference to two cannons? Maybe these two, in White Point Gardens, Charleston:
http://www.mac-con.com/photo/categories.php?cat_id=6
Below the bar that binds
frishkie, 7/3/04
: This sounds like real progress towards the location.  One longshot thought on “the bar that binds” is that the Board of Architectural Review (BAR) “binds” all property owners in this part of Charleston to preserve the historic nature of the buildings.
Beside the long palm’s shadow
Embedded in the sand
Lots of sand – and palm trees – in Charleston and San Francisco. New Orleans, too, I’d imagine.
Waits the Fair remuneration
Why is Fair capitalized?
Muny Opera (in Forest Park): Fair remuneration = Fairy Muny (ration) (dan39decoy)
Egbert, 5/18/04
: The World’s Fair?  There’s a World’s Fair Pavilion,
http://stlouis.missouri.org/citygov/parks/forestpark/pavilion.html
near a building called the Jewel Box (see Image 9 thread).
White house close at hand.
cthree, 7/3/04
: “White house close at hand”–right across the street is 2 Meeting St. Inn where George Washington used to stay while in Charleston. GW is also mentioned in the SC fairies story.(Devil Dogs) This could be a reference to the pavillion in the middle of the park a little white house ;]
dan39decoy, 6/4/04
: The Cabanne House was the original parkkeeper’s residence and does appear white in some pictures.  It is located near the Confederate Memorial, but then again there are lots of white houses, lots of parks, lots of cities, and lots of ways to make clues fit a specific place.
General thoughts
By elimination, Verse 6 is paired with one of Image 1 (San Francisco), 2 (Charleston), 7 (New Orleans), 9 (St. Louis), 11 (Salt Lake City), or 12 (New York). Due to the clear pirate theme, I am inclined to eliminate Salt Lake City and New York. I’ll keep St. Louis as a possibility because of good evidence from SoonerFan that it could refer to Forest Park, and San Francisco because there is an actual, honest-to-goodness Treasure Island in San Francisco Bay. No offense to Egbert or Fenix, but because the 12 locations are pretty well nailed down (or strongly suspected), I’m going to assume Verse 6 does not refer to Key West or to Philadelphia. That leaves us with the following candidates, in no particular order:
St. Louis
San Francisco
New York
Charleston
New Orleans
The two main contenders so far have been St. Louis and Charleston, but Charleston seems like a better match to me, all things considered. If we can get more evidence that this verse matches P6, I would be *thrilled* to drive to Charleston and check it out.

I have not done much research on this one for a while.  But it looks like people are working this over pretty good.  What little I have researched may be helpful to someone.  I am not so sure about Edwin/Edwina being about the Booths.  One of the main founders for the NAACP in Charleston was a local but well known black artist named Edwin Harleston.  Actually WEB DuBois came to Charleston in 1913 as a national leader for the NAACP and its this visit that got Harleston heated up to start a chapter there.  He actually had a niece named after him Edwina who I think was also somewhat entrenched in local civil rights.  This always sounded more in keeping with the African theme.  For what its worth (2 cents).

forest blight–
You mention pictures you took in reference to the St. Francis statue.  Does that mean you are located near St. Louis?  If so, I would enjoy getting together to research and then post discoveries.  Is anyone else in the St. Louis area?  I am.

Alas, no, that was dan39decoy. I live in North Carolina, so am close enough to drive to the Roanoke and Charleston casques. I would have to fly to anything else, I fear.

But beyond THAT-
Edwin Booth’s daughter and grandson were named after HIM.
Haven’t seen that discussion, but the date jumped out.
Why a month and year only?

The elder Booth, Junius, named the younger Booth, Edwin his son, after Edwin Forrest.  No?  Thought we went through this gramercy park thing like eight months ago.

Trohn

White House close at hand
http://www.nyc-architecture.com/GRP/GRP006.htm

This is the kind of play on words we should expect from BP.  White House not referring to either “THE” White House or a white colored house but a house resided in by the White family.  I like it.
Gramercy Park was discussed some time ago and kind of just faded.  I always like the connections made then and this makes it even more intriguing.

One more quick note on these I1/V6 ‘alternative facts’ before I wrap up for the day. I was running a few searches this evening, looking for alternate/poetical meanings of some of the words used in Verse 6, and I stumbled across this nugget (thanks Wikipedia!). Apparently the palm used to be a symbol of victory…who knew? (link:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_branch).
With this in mind, I’m wondering if the Dewey Monument in Union Square (
http://www.artandarchitecture-sf.com/un … -2012.html
) could somehow be associated with the final “long palm” landmark referenced in V6? The statue is meant to symbolize victory, and she’s holding a laurel wreath and a trident.
Additional circumstantial evidence: the entire Union Square area was originally built up above sand dunes — “buried in the sand?”. (
https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/art … 731306.php
)
Last, there’s apparently a historic landmark building called “The White House” which looks to be only a block away (
http://thewhitehousegaragesf.com/
)

you got the garage union square connection right anyways, cause union square is the spot of the first underground parking garage in north america. (maybe the world)

JamesV

One more quick note on these I1/V6 ‘alternative facts’ before I wrap up for the day. I was running a few searches this evening, looking for alternate/poetical meanings of some of the words used in Verse 6, and I stumbled across this nugget (thanks Wikipedia!). Apparently the palm used to be a symbol of victory…who knew? (link:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_branch).
With this in mind, I’m wondering if the Dewey Monument in Union Square (
http://www.artandarchitecture-sf.com/un … -2012.html
) could somehow be associated with the final “long palm” landmark referenced in V6? The statue is meant to symbolize victory, and she’s holding a laurel wreath and a trident.
Additional circumstantial evidence: the entire Union Square area was originally built up above sand dunes — “buried in the sand?”. (
https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/art … 731306.php
)
Last, there’s apparently a historic landmark building called “The White House” which looks to be only a block away (
http://thewhitehousegaragesf.com/
)

Any possible image confirmers in Union Square we could look at?

the connection to union square is the thomas starr king monument.

https://www.nailhed.com/2015/05/the-worlds-first-underground-parking.html
Reading that whole thing…there are (were) at least 2 underground parking garages in N.A. that are older, with one in Spain that appears to be the world’s oldest.

i read that exact link lol. it was the first one planned and designed, they took forever to build it.

“Another significant change happened between 1939 and 1941 when a large underground parking garage was built under the square; this meant the plaza’s lawns, shrubs and the Dewey monument were now on the garage “roof.” Designed by Timothy Pflueger, it was the world’s first underground parking garage.”
from wiki…i think it may have been the first parking garage in the world that was solely designed for parking.

with other ones being designed as part of buildings.

catherwood

This is a good line to take as a line by itself, not running it into the following line to make a sentence.  I like the alternative of using “eighth” as a street rather than a date. (It could just as well be a train line, as someone might say they rode in “on the 8th”, maybe.)  And every word has been chosen for a reason, so there must be particular signficance in saying it was “a scene” — i have always like the Edwin Forrest backstory, and a theatrical scene would be the best use of this word, not just an event on a street.

I agree with this line of thought, but the Edwin Forrest theories (either New York, Philadelphia, or San Francisco) have led
to dead ends and blind alleys.  Maybe fresh eyes and thoughts can find the right Forrest combinations…

Knowing the Jewel Box, I can’t see how this line would relate to the previous and following lines, but it is something to given thought.  The structure is all metal and glass without any connected plaques, but I will check things out tomorrow.
–Johann

The area behind the Holley Monument has changed over the years. For a long time there was a large planting area behind the monument. At some time that whole dirt area has been removed and paved over with asphalt.
In “Barefoot in the Park” clips you can see the fence is about 2 feet (about the width of Robert Redford’s shoulders) behind the upper structure. The monument’s stone foundation base is also about 2 feet wide behind the monument. There would be no room to dig between the fence and the monument. But, right on the other side of that fence there would have been plenty of dirt and maybe a lot of cover from bushes. There would have been full concealment from the monument on one side and may have been substantial concealment from the fence line and bushes on other sides.
Here is a link to some history of the park and an aerial picture of that planting area on page 311 left side, second picture down. Monument is on left side of picture. Resolution is pretty good for zooming in.
http://www.nycgovparks.org/download/download.php?downloadFile=WSP_EAS/WSP_EAS_final.pdf
Following are some pictures from over the years.

Early picture and 1920’s picture.

1967 “Barefoot in the Park” clips. Robert Redford seems to catch his elbow on the fence just a little as he lifts his shoes. So I am guesing the area between monument and fence was shoulder width.

Current side view.

There may be an unexpected and interesting way to match the clues in Verse 6 to the Alexander Lyman Holley Monument. There seem to be similarities between the monument and the illustration on pages 2 and 3 of
The Secret
! The more I stare at the similarities the more they seem to jump off the page. But, I was wondering what you guys think?
Here are the similarities I see.
On the Holley monument there is an egg-and-dart pattern around the top of the pedestal. In the illustration the top banisters mimic that egg-and-dart pattern.
On the Holley monument there is some scrollwork below the “HOLLEY” name. In the illustration the scrollwork seems to be echoed in both the fence and the pedestal inlay.
On the Holley monument there are palm leaf sculptures at the top of each of the four sides of the pedestal. In the illustration there are sculptures at the top of each of the three visible sides of the pedestal.
In the fence design there are two horizontal lines of rod iron at the top. In the illustration there are also two horizontal lines.
There are couple more items in the illustration to be noted. The first item is the gem centered in the inlay on the pedestal. The second item, of course, is that shovel being held pointing down on the side of pedestal.
Although the illustration may not be intended to be used for clues, it does make the New York location more intriguing!

There seems to be another buried clue or coincidence on page 4, again relating to Verse 6. This clue was probably not intended to be a clue and is likely an unintentional connection.
On page 4 the “7th regiment US Army New York“ is mentioned in the contributor acknowledgements. This is the exact same 7th regiment that put down the Astor Place Riot referred to in the Verse 6 lines “Edwin and Edwina named after him” and “On the eight a scene” and “Where law defended”.
The 7th Regiment Armory (Park Avenue Armory) was used for pictures on pages 100-102. Was this coincidence or inspiration?

I think I figured out some more of this verse and I think this part confirms that Forest Park is the Park. The part “harken the words freedom at the birth of a century” I found a website about the history of Forest Park and it said “The twentieth century was born in Forest Park with the Grandeur and Spectacle of the Louisiana Purchase Exhibition-the World’s Fair of 1904”. Construction for the fair began in 1901. This coud further knock this point home.
We now know the park is Forest Park the next question is the location within the park. Judgeing from the image it is either the Pagoda Circle area though not on the island or the World’s Fair Pavilion area.
I found a few things about 1913 land was set asside for the zoo and the Jefferson memorial in the park was dedicated. I do not think either of these is what this line is illudeing to.
We now know the first 5 lines are illudeing either to the Muny theater or the Pagoda Band Shell. The next two lines direct you to a fountain likely one behind the Muny or near the World’s Fair pavilion. The next two lines confirm Forest Park.
The next four lines we may need some help figureing out but once we do they will direct us to the correct part of the park. Almost definately either Pagoda Circle area most likely or World’s Fair Pavilion less likely. The next 5 lines describe how to find the casque. The checkarboard area on the chest turned upside down is likely the representation of this place. The last line is either the pagoda or the pavilion.
For now I still think the area of Pagoda Circle is the correct because I still think the outline of the black colar when turned upside down forms a crude depiction of the pagoda.

just had a thought about the “
ether
” monument in boston……..
what if the “or”  isn’t Hobson’s choice in charleston,  but……………
either/ether  or..
…………look at the bottom of the ether statue in boston…..it looks like image 2’s lion
either this or either that
http://www.flickr.com/photos/paul_photos/4521200534/
hobson’s choice:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hobson%27s_choice

erexere

For the Charleston location, what are the leads so far that connect to the words “Or May 1913”?
I’ve done a lot of research into that date. The preceeding line “Freedom at the birth of a century” is something I believe sets up a lead to think the May 1913 is related to a particular person’s birth. It is entirely possible this relates to
this guy
, which can follow a steady line of reasoning from origins in South Carolina to Edward Wilmot Blyden and the ripples of slavery and revolt in Pan-American history.
I think there is a connection to Liberia, from its founding to the assassination of its 20th president, and the Sumter pendant (looking more like military dog-tags) is a symbol for ideals against slavery and possibly a lead to the assination of Lincoln. It’s important to note that dog tags serve as a means to identify fallen soldiers. Soldiers in the Civil War scatched their personal information on their belt buckles or wrote their information down on a piece of paper or letter that they held on their person. Modern tags traditionally come in pairs, one tag is collected and the second is left with the dead soldier for identification. The “Edwin and Edwina” as a reference to twins might reinforce this dual tag idea.
Perhaps this puzzle involves finding a number of “paired” references.

Unknown

Unknown:
…I think the “bar that binds” is a “barrel that holds”. I’d much rather support the idea that ‘to hold’ is perfectly synonymous with ‘to bind’ than to search high and low for an earthquake bolt…

Have you found anything related to “May 1913” other than the capstan? I do like the “paired references” thought to your post. The struggle is real…
However,
I’d agree that holding/clinching/binding are interchangeable…but it’s not hard to find earthquake bolts in the city.
Factually, while Cape Romaine sounds fun, it doesn’t line up with what we have been told so far. It’s that “the road beneath…”, “ride the man of oz”, and so on…we are told where to go, and in many cases
how
to go. We aren’t told to head up that way, nor is any kind of boat included/called out in the verse as a method of travel if we were to go out to that island (because that is the only way to get to that island). Furthermore, I can’t find any references in the verse that match up near McClellanville and the cape islands, because if we were to go there, I would expect these to start falling into place.

I haven’t found a descriptive explanation for traveling more than 36 miles from the center of Charleston.
I’ve thought the latitude and longitude point might be the broadest net that could be cast for this kind of situation. That would make any place outside of 60 miles of those numbers most unlikely.
When I start from fresh and try looking at the puzzle based on finding the capstan, I’ve not understood how the puzzle works to get to it or where to go next.
I’m still trying ideas. Latest is the geometric perspective, but that’s difficult to assess not knowing what determins scale or direction. So much is just a crapshoot anymore. I’m sure we’re all just waiting for another casque to be found somewhere so that we could understand better how these puzzles are each shaped by Preiss’ methods.

Of all the romance retold
Men of tales and tunes
Cruel and bold
Seen here
By eyes of old
The opening of the Odyssey,
Sing to me of the man, Muse, the man of twists and turns
driven time and again off course, once he had plundered
the hallowed heights of Troy.
Many cities of men he saw and learned their minds,
many pains he suffered, heartsick on the open sea,
fighting to save his life and bring his comrades home.
But he could not save them from disaster, hard as he strove—
the recklessness of their own ways destroyed them all,
the blind fools, they devoured the cattle of the Sun
and the Sungod blotted out the day of their return.
Launch out on his story, Muse, daughter of Zeus,
start from where you will—sing for our time too.
A slave named Telemaque won a $1500 city lottery and bought his freedom in November of 1799. He assumed a new name: Denmark Vesey. Over the next 22 years he encouraged slaves to rise up against their masters and as a result of the slave revolt in 1822 a large scale repatriation of freed slaves left SC for a settlement in Africa, later founded in 1847 as the Republic of Liberia. Edward Wilmot Blyden lived and taught in Liberia from 1851 to around 1887. Blyden ran for the office of President in Liberia in 1885 but lost to Hailey Johnson. Shortly after the loss he traveled and according to Abroad in America he arrived in Charleston where the locals were excited to hear news of many relatives who a dozen or more years prior had won their freedom and repatriated to Liberia. Blyden had two children, Edwin and Edwina. On May 13th, 1913, William Tolbert Jr. Was born. His grandparents were among those who originally emigrated from SC in the 1822. Tolbert later became president of Liberia. He was killed in a coup d’etat in 1980 by his his successor Samuel Doe.
This sounds like a dry summary of history, but it supplies quite a bit of context relating to slavery in SC and the outcome. We tend to jump to the Civil War as the apex of the topic and forget about the efforts of the slaves themselves and repatriation solution so they could be truly free and govern themselves in the country of their cultural origin.
Let me now address the moth wings in image 2. Polyphemus is the moth type. Polyphemus was the name of the cyclops blinded by Odysseus. Remember the name of that slave who gained freedom at the turn of the century? The first four books of the Odyssey are known as the Telemachy as they involve Telemachus, son of Odysseus, as he asserts himself in dealing with the suitors of his mother Penelope staves off remarriage until Odysseus’ return from Calypso’s island. I think this connection of Telemaque (Vesey) to Telemachus in the Odyssey is important in characterizing the goal of landing on the distant shores of Cape Romain and finding the lighthouse which had its light or “seeing eye” removed like that of the Cyclops. I also think the goal of finding a “drum” of some kind is an incredibly coincidental homage to the Goddess Calypso, which is known well to be the music from the steel drum’s from Trinidad and Tobago. At least that’s well known to me, since that’s where my father is from. This leads me to wonder if the woman depicted in the painting is suppose to be either Calypso or Penelope. On one hand, the women of Trinidad and Tobago would dress up in grand style for Carnival, wearing bikini’s and lots of bird feathers. I can’t recall if there was a preference for a specific bird feather, but I’m thinking of peacocks. There was a 70’s issue National Geographic that had a nice piece on Carnival in Trinidad, but I don’t have it anymore. On the other hand, I learned that Penelope is typically depicted in art with her legs crossed as an important symbol of her remaining faithful to her husband Odysseus. The winged lady has her legs crossed.
Well, I’m tired, and I know all that I’m saying will be perceived as madness no matter if I’m wrong or right.

erexere

RIP TGAT…
Wait, what is a “palanquin”? Sounds like a Palancar groupie…or one of those Saruman skype orbs in LotR.

For the record, the scene of a murder on April 8th, 1873 involved investigating the lighthouse keeper Andrew Johnson.
I continue to wonder if the “white house close at hand” is a clever way of referring to the a vice president, closest at hand to the president. Andrew Johnson was the vice president for president Abraham Lincoln.

erexere

For the record, the scene of a murder on April 8th, 1873 involved investigating the lighthouse keeper Andrew Johnson.
I continue to wonder if the “white house close at hand” is a clever way of referring to the a vice president, closest at hand to the president. Andrew Johnson was the vice president for president Abraham Lincoln.

Okay, that’s interesting, but how does it tie into the puzzle and Charleston proper? Also, in 1982, is this something that could be reasonably discovered while researching the puzzle?