erexere

… and the tiny red balls (or four21’s nuts if you prefer) in the image.

Yes, I prefer deez nuts, tiny as they may be… Keep jugglin’ ’em.

Jumping ahead to the Kosciuzko Park idea that I had long ago, I always liked the idea that his being a 1-star general could potentially be the intent for “proud tall fifth”. I have an improvement, actually a revision.
You’ll see a letter from the country
also,
Cast in copper
I think this brings attention to something as it relates to stamps and coins.
The year 1792 was when the US Stamp Act and the US Coinage Acts were passed. Some of the first minted coins are known as “birch pennies”. This could be a reason BP looks for a young birch tree. Perhaps his thinking was to guide us to the conclusion that the “proud tall fifth” is worth 5-cents. It just so happens that Thaddeus Kosciuzko was featured on the 1933 5-cent stamp.

The main question that needs an answer is – How do I know this is the right spot? Which is information that should be able to be obtained without a shovel.

It’s probably under one of those pokemon’s…they are all over lake park.

Of the three founders of Milwaukee, I wonder if the dwarves were more invested in George Walker because he was a surveyor.

Yes, the book explicitly says the dwarves hid their “imperial star” (purple amethyst).
Words in the verse such as “walk” and “compass” could be suggesting Walker and Point.

erexere

Yes, the book explicitly says the dwarves hid their “imperial star” (purple amethyst).

however the author explicitly said you only need the verse and the image. Therefore the idea/concept/viewpoint of a dwarf will specifically have no bearing or effect on the hunt.

Since I have a strong opinion that “beating of the world” has to do with recognizing Wells street by way of H.G. Wells, I wanted to know whom the street was really named after. I read about Captain William Wells, a U.S. soldier who helped in communications with the Native Americans. He lost his life trying to protect the wagons filled with women and children being escorded away from Fort Dearborn in a 15 minute massacre by a Native attack on August 15th, 1812.

Aren’t there german things/beer gardens in some of these parks? Why would a Girl Scout symbol in any way resemble a “letter from ” I always expected this one to be passing a sign with an esset or umlauts.

The girl scout markers had a GS on them.
G is a letter from Germany.

I… think that’s more than a little bit tenuous, but alright. Especially since they said “GS” and not just “G.” I’d be shocked if this clue wasn’t referring to something a bit more obvious than the letter G next to the S (but ignore the S!)

I just now realized the “beating of the world” doesnt need to to be first thought of as WWII and then fooled with like a missing letters guessing game.
The cleanest way to deal with it is to envision Byron standing on Wells street in view of the Mitchell House. Wells = H.G.Wells = War of the Worlds = “beating of the world”. Its just that simple and its not necessary to think in terms of WWII.
Im sticking with the Wells theme for Time Travel. Ticking time…a measurement of degrees on a circle. Travelling…a measure of distance.

decibalnyc

The girl scout markers had a GS on them.
G is a letter from Germany.

D is from Deutschland.

This is what the Girl Scout marker looks like.
It has enough letters for almost any “country”.

catherwood

I’m ready to drink a fifth of whiskey while dressed like James Monroe wearing a giant letter E on my head, if it would help.

I’d like a fifth of WISH KEY. *flips a penny into a wishing well*

That’s an absolutely awful match. There is almost no way in hades that refers to “a letter from wunderstone’s hearth.” I always assumed there was a big stylized GS or something on there.
Has this really been the basis for multiple theories/digs? I’m sorry if i seem rude, but this might be the worst case of “desperately wanting our theory to be right” I’ve seen. There is no possible way that marker fits the clue as written.

Xieish

That’s an absolutely awful match. There is almost no way in hades that refers to “a letter from wunderstone’s hearth.” I always assumed there was a big stylized GS or something on there.
Has this really been the basis for multiple theories/digs? I’m sorry if i seem rude, but this might be the worst case of “desperately wanting our theory to be right” I’ve seen. There is no possible way that marker fits the clue as written.

You’re right…I would probably just stay away from Lake Park, and dissuade anyone else from looking there.

I never said any of those words, so I’m not sure what I’m right about.
You’re an intelligent person. It’s entirely possible that the solution is in Lake Park but those markers have nothing to do with it. It’s also possible that it’s not in lake park, but
either way
those girl scout markers are not involved in this puzzle. If that’s the best we can do for any of the clues then what’s the point of this hunt? If the clues aren’t solvable then why are we here? If that is the “letter from wunderstone’s hearth” what’s the point of solving any of the clues, if they could all wind up being completely unrelated markers with tons of non-unique letters on them?
At that point a sign that says “LAKE PARK” or “HELLO” would be equally valid. L is a letter in german, so is H.

If they appeared on a proud tall fifth…Yes…any letters would be pertinent.

Sure, if we had it all solved and were left with the obvious “huh, I guess these HAD to be the markers, what a bad clue!” But we’re not. If you threw out everything we “knew” about these hunts and someone came to this board with that image and said “letter from wunderstone’s hearth” we would all politely thank them for their time and disregard it.
Nobody would be convinced by that image who was not already convinced of the theory it is shoehorned to fit. Can you really believe that marker means “a letter from wunderstone’s hearth” objectively? I can’t fathom it, knowing what we know about the rest of the clues. They’re fairly obvious and make sense. “M and B” does not refer to a sign that say “Make way for Beautiful sunshine!” The clues are at least a little specific. Why even have that clue? The GSA have tons of history, is a reference to Germany really the best way to bring attention to that marker? Would anyone walking around in 1982 see that marker and go “Ah yes, this is a letter from Wunderstones hearth”? I just can’t believe it.
I gain nothing from being contrary, as I’m not in Milwaukee and likely never will be, but someone needs to call this out, that is an
awful
match to the clue. This is my first time actually seeing the marker in question.
It doesn’t mean Lake Park is wrong
but proceeding like THIS is the only thing that can be the answer to that line is… well it seems ridiculous to me and so unlike the rest of the work applied to this & other puzzles. It’s inconsistent with the absolutely excellent work we’ve seen done on these puzzles.

A tree with a metal marker of any kind on it mi ghostt be considered like a “medal of honor” to the Dwarven Fair Folk. Thats the only way I can see the word ‘proud’ ascribed to a tree.

erexere

A tree with a metal marker of any kind on it mi ghostt be considered like a “medal of honor” to the Dwarven Fair Folk. Thats the only way I can see the word ‘proud’ ascribed to a tree.

See this is how you help rule these clues in or out…Erexere, that’s a great comment, much better than just saying that it’s wrong….better to discuss in a positive way.

I’d have to agree that if Preiss had been talking about one of those markers, then the fact that it contains a letter from the country of wonderstone’s hearth, is not a good clue.

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If that’s the best we can do for any of the clues then what’s the point of this hunt? If the clues aren’t solvable then why are we here?

With all due respect, I think we have a pretty definitive path that leads us to the end of the NLB Ravine. With the exception of one clue (“after climbing the grand 200”), most of the rest of the verse leads us unequivocally to there. I mean, it can’t all be coincidence, can it? So, IMO at least, many of the clues are solvable and that’s why we are here. To shed whatever light we can on a 33 year old mystery.
The problem is that after 33 years,
some
of the clues may not be solvable (for any number of reasons). If they come in the middle of the verse, we may be able to safely skip over them as long as we have a clear understanding of what precedes, and what follows (which is why the “grand 200”, while annoying, isn’t an obstacle to finding the treasure ground). However, if the lines in question are the markers to the exact plot of land where we are supposed to dig, well then, the odds of digging up the casque decrease significantly. If you don’t like the odds, then perhaps this isn’t the place for you. But please, be a little more considerate to those of us who embrace the challenge and keep looking for ways to increase those odds in our favor.
Trees and girls scout markers are the best we’ve got right now. It might be the best we’ll ever get. But I’m convinced that we are in the right place, and if the protocols for this verse are consistent, then we are within a few hundred feet of the treasure ground.
As always, my two cents.

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I’d have to agree that if Preiss had been talking about one of those markers, then the fact that it contains a letter from the country of wonderstone’s hearth, is not a good clue.

Would you agree that the puzzle (as a whole) has it’s share of “bad clues” ? And if so, is it possible that some of the clues were bad from the jump, and not just because time and change has made them bad?
Answering my own question, I think the “after climbing the grand 200” was a bad clue from inception. On the other hand, “the first young birch” and “the letter of wonderstone’s hearth” might be examples of clues that made perfect sense in 1982, but just doesn’t fit the treasure ground today. A better example might be “the end of 10 X 13” in Chicago. It might have lead precisely to the casque in 1983 (although, it is well documented that even with that, the finders still needed help and confirmation from Preiss), but today, anyone in that corner of Grant Park is left scratching their head on what exactly Preiss meant by “10 X 13”. Doesn’t mean you abandon all the other clues. It just means you find something (maybe a historical picture or document) that might shed a little light on the clue.
For me, I’ll switch gears on this one when someone shows me something better for the verse as a whole, not just a line here or there.

Euhirudinea

For me, I’ll switch gears on this one when someone shows me something better for the verse as a whole, not just a line here or there.

I have to agree, the verse works up to the birch…then you are only 2 directions away from a potential dig spot.

Nobody said anything about switching gears or the theory being false. I’m sorry to call him out but decibalnyc made that up and attributed it to me. Why are we now discussing that like it was ever on the table?
However, just because the clue may be “dead” and unsolvable in 2014 doesn’t mean I need to accept that Girl Scout marker in any way shape, or form as a “replacement” clue. I agree
100%
that there are clues that no longer exist. I do not think that the Girl Scout marker somehow makes up for that, nor do i think the GS marker
not
being the “letter from wunderstone’s hearth” means that Lake Park/the whole theory is bunk. I literally never said that.

I’ve often went wrong by my own persistence to treat the puzzle in the way I hope it works, rather than how it actually works. It’s a tough line when drawing conclusions formed by an unknown mix playful references that are sometimes literal and exact and at other times once or twice removed by a layer of implication.
There was a time some of us treated the verse like it wasn’t linear…that only made us cringe at the unfathomable possibilities and futility of the notion. I’ve thought the juggler was symbolic for juggling the verse lines, thus opening this puzzle to such a nonlinear idea. It’s always possible, but I think we would agree that it needs to be justifiable at the inset.
A juggler with seven objects could mean a lot of things. How we treat symbolism in the images, whether it’s just a rebus or some connection to the month of a birthstone will continue to be a factor. Until we find another casque, I hesitate to ignore such possibilities.

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The cleanest way to deal with it is to envision Byron standing on Wells street in view of the Mitchell House. Wells = H.G.Wells = War of the Worlds = “beating of the world”. Its just that simple and its not necessary to think in terms of WWII

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Im sticking with the Wells theme for Time Travel. Ticking time…a measurement of degrees on a circle. Travelling…a measure of distance.

I honestly don’t think this is part of the solution, but as a starting point, it actually makes sense. In the abstract, it’s on the same level as Mitchell Hall on Kenwood. I’m with you so far.
And you’ve lost me.
All I can say is that if these puzzles follow this degree of complexity, and I should note that the two that have been solved did not, then there is no hope. For me at least. “Three stories” is a building, “nature” is a park, “copper” is a Lincoln Penny, and “steps” is a staircase. Like that.

I saw something somewhere…not sure what I was watching…I think it was a ship captain using a tool to plot a course on a map. It looked like a compass. If I understand it correctly, he measured the distance traveled in one day and then “walked” the tool across the map some number of times to show how much distance would be traveled in some number of days. I think this is the idea behind using a map of Milwaukee.
I’m trying to replicate this with an online tool, but It’s clumsy. I wish I had an actual map of Milwaukee…then I’d just do this by hand and feel good about it.

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nor do i think the GS marker not being the “letter from wunderstone’s hearth” means that Lake Park/the whole theory is bunk. I literally never said that.

Ok, so you like the theory up until we get to the “first young birch” but not so much from there (including absolute disdain for the GS Medallion connection), correct? Without putting words into anyone else’s mouth, and allowing for differences of opinion on how exactly the trail markers figured into the end game, I think that’s the consensus. But we have to consider that back in 1981, when the trail was new and freshly marked, those medallions would have been hard to miss. Being highly visible is kind of the point, after all.

Check this out,
Find the unique spot on the city map where you view City Hall. Mark it down on a map. Point A.
Find Plankington at 200 Grand. Mark it down. Point B.
Relate these to the solar system. Point A is the Sun. Point B, having to do with following the Wells street to a Wishing Well with HG Wells references of The War of the Worlds to The Time Machine and then consider that HG is a mercury reference, Hg, but also the first planet. Use Points A to B as that unit distance reference on the map.
Walk the compass seven steps.

“Step on nature”. Literally.
http://tinyurl.com/qjtyd2x

That’s not exactly literally. This isn’t an argument, but if “Nature” was written on the ground I’d agree with your literally.

Unknown

Unknown:
if “Nature” was written

Blah, blah…
blah blah blah.
Somewhere in a dusty old cardboard box, there is a polaroid of this sign. Preiss wasn’t being poetic when he wrote the clue “step on nature”. He was being literal.*
*The usual disclaimers about these being my words and my thoughts (original or adopted) apply. Proceed accordingly.

Euhirudinea

“Step on nature”. Literally.
http://tinyurl.com/qjtyd2x

I’m not saying this is what BP intended because the date and placement of the sign isn’t verified, but this is as literal as it gets for me. Additionally, how about this for a literal interpretation of “wonderstones hearth” with a German connection (which also likely has no connection, but the date is good):
http://www.loc.gov/item/ncr000922/
. See the red ball? LOL.

Hi four21!
Such a lovely hearth…! And so warm and cozy.
Winter is coming early to Wisconsin with morning temps in the 30s already.
But we will keep looking until we find the casque…or the snow covers the ground.
AP

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I’m not saying this is what BP intended because the date and placement of the sign isn’t verified

Very true. I was just having a little fun. But if the sign was there in 1981…

Euhirudinea

Very true. I was just having a little fun. But if the sign was there in 1981…

… Then we’d be exactly in the same spot we are now?

Unknown

Unknown:
Winter is coming early to Wisconsin with morning temps in the 30s already

As it has (give or take a few weeks) for at least the last 33 years. All the more reason to think that the northern casques were already in the ground by the late summer or early fall of 1981. The 5 southern casques and the one in San Francisco, on the other hand, could have been buried any time of year.

Unknown

Unknown:
Then we’d be exactly in the same spot we are now?

Well, not exactly. We would have one more clue where Preiss’ exact meaning (or as close as we can come) was known. Please excuse my presumption, but I think there is still some value in this, even if it doesn’t lead directly to unearthing a casque.

I think the divider-instrument on a map is a good idea for how to apply the word ‘voyager’.
Another idea might be to find something relating to Leif Erikson.

The Voyager space probe was a glorified record player, silently playing in the vacuum of space. It contained a platter of copper, coated with gold, containing sounds of Earth and a variety of music samples. The first music track is Brandenburg Concerto No. 2 by Bach with harpsichord. My thoughts on this don’t really go anywhere except in terms of space and distance, Im thinking “from woman” = Venus and since Venus is the second planet from the Sun, maybe the instruction is “from 2nd street, take a voyage”.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QSgkeOwTVx8

i’m on a roll, I guess I’ll start a new thread for each verse, to organize our work.  And I might as well post the full text for reference, then begin the brainstorming in a reply.
Verse 8:
View the three stories of Mitchell
As you walk the beating of the world
At a distance in time
From three who lived there
At a distance in space
From woman, with harpsichord
Silently playing
Step on nature
Cast in copper
Ascend the 92 steps
After climbing the grand 200
Pass the compass and reach
The foot of the culvert
Below the bridge
Walk 100 paces
Southeast over rock and soil
To the first young birch
Pass three, staying west
You’ll see a letter from the country
Of wonderstone’s hearth
On a proud, tall fifth
At its southern foot
The treasure waits.

“View the three stories of Mitchell”
1) an author named Mitchell (first or last name?) with 3 stories on display somehow.
2) a 3-story high building,
-a) named the Mitchell Building, or something similar
-b) in the town of mitchell,
-c) or in Mitchell Square or Street
“Ascend the 92 steps”
Only 92 steps total?  That should be an obvious landmark.
“After climbing the grand 200”
I’m tempted to look for Grand CC or someother play on words for 200.
“You’ll see a letter from the country
Of wonderstone’s hearth”
Another searchable phrase?

You seem to be all over this one Cat.  Come now, put the thinking cap on and take off the Rose colored glasses.

From various online dictionaries:
CULVERT
1. A sewer or drain crossing under a road or embankment.
2. a. The part of a road or embankment that passes over such a sewer or drain.
b. The channel or conduit for such a sewer or drain.
1. A transverse drain.
2. A conduit for a culvert.
3. A bridge over a culvert.
1. A culvert is a covered structure that conveys a flow under a road, railroad or other obstruction. Culverts are mainly used to divert stream or rainfall runoff to prevent erosion or flooding on highways.
1. A drain or channel crossing under a road, sidewalk, etc.; sewer; conduit.
…so there seem to be varying meanings. It could mean a drain under a road, the road itself, or a bridge.

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A candidate of a different stamp had presented
himself in the preceding year, the gallant, generous-
spirited, Thaddeus Kosciuszko. He was a Pole of an
ancient and noble family of Lithuania, and had been
educated for the profession of arms at the military
school at Warsaw, and subsequently in Prance. Dis-
appointed in a love affair with a beautiful lady of rank
with whom he had attempted to elope, he had emi-
grated to this country, and came provided with a letter
of introduction from Dr. Franklin to Washington.
” What do you seek here ? ” inquired the com-
mander-in-chief.
” To fight for American independence.”
” What can you do ? “
“Try me.”
Washington was pleased with the curt, yet compre-
hensive reply, and with his chivalrous air and spirit, and
at once received him into his family as an aide-de-
camp.* Congress shortly afterwards appointed him an
engineer, with the rank of colonel. He proved a valu-
able officer throughout the Revolution, and won an hon-
orable and lasting name in our country.
Among the regiments which had been formed in
the spring, one had been named by its officers ” The
Congress’s Own,” and another ” General Washington’s
Life Guards.” A resolve of Congress promptly ap-
peared, pronouncing those appellations improper, and
ordering that they should be discontinued. Washing-
ton’s own modesty had already administered a corrective.
In a letter to the President of Congress, he declared
that the regiments had been so named without his

Washington Irving wrote about Thaddeus Kosciuszko using the word stamp.  I think a stamp from Poland is relatable to a “letter from the country”.

You’ll see a letter from the country
To say someone is a “person of letter” is to say they have a literary or educated background.
The question is, how is this line relating to a distinguished person and from which country?
Does the following line inform us of the country or does it stand alone?
Of wonderstone’s hearth
Wonderstone = Pyrophyllite = Greek words for fire+leaf.  A hearth is related to “place of fire”, an oven perhaps?  We have both words relating to fire.  Why fire?  Something hot?  Something the color of flame, yellow-orange-red? A fire hydrant, alarm, extinguisher, etc.?  Then the translated portion of leaf could only pertain to a tree.  My instincts and observations tell me this could be a Greek restaurant (oven) near a tree and fire hydrant.
Back to an educated person (possibly of Greek origin), could be any school building or a particular person in the form of a statue.
Getting back to basics:  Image 10 shows a woman juggling, the first line describes what is a perfect fit for Mitchell Hall, a place originally set as a place for teaching future educators.  The question is should this relate to a particular woman or any person in general who has to do with education and “juggling”?  I return to a previous thought which is recognized in the abundant clues having to do with “things that turn” (a key, a millstone, the shower pattern of juggled balls is a circle, the woman’s head is turned, etc.), leading me to consider the Turner organization, which is very prevalent in Milwaukee’s history.  Another line seems to fit perfectly a reference to President Lincoln, “cast in copper”.  The Turners were close to Lincoln and represented his personal guard.  I see this as a good parallel to Washington Irving’s account in the Life of George Washington where he speaks about Kosciuszko being personally selected by George Washington as his posse, that’s right I said posse.

I just took a moment on Google street view to see that there is a fire hydrant about 10-20 paces away from the tree in front of the Mexican (architecturally stylized as Greek) restaurant at 821 W. Lincoln Ave.  I think the man of letters is Kosciuszco of Poland (Lithuania).  His statue is nearby and might be one of the markers necessary to pinpoint a specific dig spot.  I say statue, fire hydrant, and tree all work in concert.  I feel there must be a fourth point of reference.  All I can think of is the main dome spire of the nearby dome of St. Josaphat Basillica since it’s very much like the City Hall which is depicted in the background of the image.  Look and compare.  I think it will spark some good discussion.  My only other thought is it’s about lining up the tree with the restaurant and picking a spot centered between the two Greek columns but that doesn’t seem as precise…I’m still looking for a fourth point of reference.  Wouldn’t want to dig too close to the tree.

Using Mitchell Hall as a clue about education and the woman in the image 10, I have to wonder if it’s a clue about Maria Montessori.  Teaching kids to take turns, share, and be spontaneous are goals in Montesssori education.  The Montessori school borders the north edge of Kosciuszko park.

Pass the compass
I’d like to be a little more open minded about this line.  Saying it is the Northpoint lighthouse makes sense since that’s the first nearest Northpoint reference south of the Grand Stair.  But there are other Northpoint references beyond that, in fact it’s a good sized neighborhood extending beyond Lake Park towards the Downtown area including the Historic Northpoint Water Tower.  I would like to suggest that this is our exit from Lake Park line as we pass ALL Northpoint related markers and continue south/southwest.
I’m seeing a lot of options available, like metaphoric balls being juggled interchangibly.  There’s Mitchell Hall and then there’s Historic Mitchell street.  There’s Lincoln Memorial Dr. and then there’s Lincoln Ave.  There’s Lake Park and then there’s a park with a lake (Kosciuszko).  A moment in time is a “second”.  Perhaps we need to consider each reference starting with the Kenwood Blvd located Mitchell Hall has a second Mitchell related item to pair with it.  How many red balls is the woman juggling?  Two right?

You know that lion thing was a hoax…I find it interesting that the week the announcement about the lion being spotted crime went down significantly in that district (where there was a shooting about every other day.) All of a sudden the lion is real and police are mounted on bridges…but no lion poop, and no signs of it eating…and it sure is interesting that with all the parks and woods along the river that the lion would choose to hang out in the ghetto…where all the “sightings” were.

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American Indians had a strong influence on the Old South Side, particularly after mid-century. Three generations of Ojibwe Porters served local youth without salaries for the Ace Boxing Club since 1960. Teddy “Cyclone” Porter (pictured here about 1920) was considered the club’s visionary founder. Raised on the White Earth Reservation in Minnesota, Teddy Porter was a famed boxer during the 1920’s and 1930’s. (Courtesy of Diane Porter.)

I found this in a book on Milwaukee’s Old South Side,
I feel like there’s something worth exploring in this, but it’s terribly difficult digging into this history.

Hi,
New here, to posting actually, I have been reading the forums for a while and I am in the process of recovering the Milwaukee Cask. There are some great theories on here, great job to all of you…through everything I have read you all have been very diligent at deciphering the picture…however there are some things I think you may have overlooked. I noticed today, in the area I will be surveying with GPR (my suspected location) that some prodding holes were made, I noticed a few areas actually where even some loose dirt has been turned up…could be incidental or from animals….OR one of you has been poking around in the location where I believe it is located….right on! I intend to recover this cask, as well as any remaining casks to preserve as a museum display, in addition I will be documenting the finds on video and have a film crew standing by for the big reveal. I hear there is another person trying to do the same thing in documenting the hunt, I have hopes he will wish to team up, but if not I intend to continue on my venture. If anyone is interested in helping or joining the project, please contact me at decibalnyc at yahoo, or on here.
Good Luck

Here are my thoughts on this, it will be a few weeks before I can verify this and I will upload some pictures when I can get them off my phone. Assuming everything is correct from Stercox, Forest, and Pine etc…the first excavation, which is how I interpreted it as well. Following the ravine it puts you in the grassy area by the suspected “young birch,” also onto LMD.
I like the area and the tree that all of you went for, the G and everything seems to makes sense…Egg and the 2004 crew seemed to feel it was correct as well, you tested the theory and it wasn’t there. Then Rebus strikes out, still pretty clever. I honestly feel that area Stercox and them found may be close, but still thinking outside the box…it’s 3 miles from that location to where (if you stay on the west side of LMD) you first see the statue of Juneau who was a Leo – Lion – Pride – Proud also the 5th sign of the zodiac…so this is where I focused my investigation.
I noticed in the cape turned 90 degrees to the left, the very straight line in the center looks to me like a street lamp as it curves back around at the top, which if you stand at Juneau’s left (or southern) foot you see several of these old streetlamps which are different than any others in that area. One in particular that faces at roughly the same angle as the picture. There are a number of places BP could have hidden something here without too much hassle especially if he had someone watching him, southern foot may be as Slappy says, literal. I still have a hard time with pass 3 meaning pass 3 miles, but it would play into the Juneau statue…the bronze on the side of the statue and the hand gesture and position of the illustrations head are dead on, and with the streetlamps in that area, it was too much coincidence to avoid. Also I thought, its kind of a distance to walk, and then I think…so is it from UWM to the lake park spot….I am trying to find out about any trees that existed in the park that may have been removed since the 80’s. Perhaps 1 or 2 large trees existed in the park that would put the lamp in between them from that perspective, good for cover and would fit the angle very close to the lamp I have been looking at. I am working on getting a GPR study of the area, but if any of you would like to walk to that area and check it out, or may have already, I’d love to hear your thoughts. I have a solid week or two of work ahead of me, and I trust no one here is going to run down there and dig it up (if it’s there) before I can verify my theory so feel free to check it out, and as soon as I can transfer my photo’s I will post them up. Again, any thoughts are welcome.

Correction, I miscalculated the distance, if you walk, it’s only about a mile and a quarter…which still leaves me on the pass 3, but again…I am going on the assumption that the first dig was incorrect, which I am still not settled on. The picture matches too much with the positioning of the Juneau’s head and hand for me to rule it out as a location. Also the streetlamp feels right.
http://onmilwaukee.com/images/articles/ … 1247591294

Also, maybe this has been pointed out before but these lamps you see all over lake park are Harp Lamps, they are an instrument, but not of sound, of light…so silently playing, he could have went at night or inferred that we should go at night…here again the comma is important…from woman (Marietta St.)… With harpsichord silently playing (what piano plays silently, could he be referring to the Harp lamps in lake park being lit, meaning enter at night?) Step on Nature (enter the park) etc…
http://www.tapconet.com/images/TBR/divi … ptions.jpg

decibalnyc

Also, maybe this has been pointed out before but these lamps you see all over lake park are Harp Lamps, they are an instrument, but not of sound, of light…so silently playing, he could have went at night or inferred that we should go at night…here again the comma is important…from woman (Marietta St.)… With harpsichord silently playing (what piano plays silently, could he be referring to the Harp lamps in lake park being lit, meaning enter at night?) Step on Nature (enter the park) etc…
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I like you’re creativity.
My thoughts often linger on those lines, “From woman, with harpsichord” and then “silently playing” may or may not be combined, I’m more comfortable leaving the option open for now.
I keep thinking whatever this is it has to be A) from woman, and B) something which can be with a harpsichord. It seems like a riddle. Something which would come with a harpsichord might be the bench for the person to sit and play. …I dunno…it’s tough line.

That is where my thoughts took me. In my opinion it is a riddle as any instrument that is silently playing wouldn’t be an instrument at all, so look for something else…I’ll have to take another walk and see if the harp lamps are all along the path…Woman I guess would me Marietta St. the last street before you enter the park…from woman (Marietta) with the lamps lit, enter the park and stay on LMD. All we know about Marietta St. is it was named by Shepard after a woman…I don’t know if BP would have known this history, but Marietta is surely the Woman in “from woman” and again this was brought up a long time ago, but the comma is important…separates the from woman and the Harpsichord line.

Also if this line is true, about entering at night, it might not hurt to consider Slappy’s theory of the Lion’s at the footbridge…if you go in there at night there is less chance of anyone disturbing you while digging around the bridge, or even right on LMD…or even in Juneau park…that area is dead after dark if there is nothing going on at the festival grounds. If BP were trying to hint at a nighttime search with that line then there are other things at play visually in the illustration as well. Notice the cape background is extremely dark with the light spots (as we think) being the trees and objects…again just a thought, but it seems to tie in and offer more options for a search of the area.

It is Marietta Avenue . here is a harp lamp at the entrance to the park:
http://goo.gl/maps/FelY3

wk

It is Marietta Avenue . here is a harp lamp at the entrance to the park:

I would guess, but can verify tomorrow that those lamps trace LMD and are all throughout Lake Park, but again.. have they been there since 1982?

Siskel recently posted that BP would just take a shovel and trek out at odd hours without concern for authority, so that got me thinking that maybe he put it somewhere that you need to search at night, so lets just consider that line that people have been stuck on for such a long time to be an indicator of possibly when to go…this is what opened my thoughts up to some more obvious areas that you wouldn’t necessarily need to worry about running into anyone at while digging a hole.
A lot to consider now…the park “closes” after dark, but was that a concern? What time of year did he bury it…certainly in late spring or summer when the ground is soft and the days started getting longer. There are a lot more people out at lake park in the summer when it’s warm and the days are long….it’s a city hotspot even on weekdays because of the proximity to the lake and the east side. Streetlamps light up about 8 or 9, the place starts to empty out.

A harpsichord might involve a “key” in different senses: 1) an actual key used for a keyhole on the lid that shuts and locks, or 2) the physical keys that actuate the mechanism for a hammer hitting a string to make sound.
An old type of string prior to modern metal or vinyl was made from catgut or cattle intestine. Cattle are a primary producer of milk. MILK is also something from woman.
Maybe this line of verse is just “Milk” and “Key”.

That’s great thinking outside the box, but I keep coming back to the things that BP said to Siskel and Egg about it not being too intense, he buried all of them over the course of a week, but we don’t know what research he put into it, and on what side of the burial. Did he…
A – Scout a general location for all sites
B- Bury the casques
C- Snap Pictures
D- Write the riddles
E – Book
Or did he
A – Scout a general location for all sites
B – Write the riddles
C – Bury the casques
D – Snap Pictures
E – Book
If he did the latter, then we would be following in his footsteps…however if he did the former, we would be playing into his game by following it essentially in reverse. I would suspect this is the way he intended it to be…he rents a car or takes a short flight to Milwaukee after Grant Park, finds a spot at night to bury it, by a landmark or somewhere he can mark it on a map…snap some dark pictures of City Hall and the shoreline, maybe some statues? I would guess he flew into Milwaukee from Chicago as I’ve done many times which takes you out over lake Michigan, and takes a wide turn about 4 miles out, and another wide turn at the summerfest grounds giving a nice picture of the Hoan Bridge (featured in the picture in the hair as the arch with the 2 lanes of highway below,) and right next to it are the 3 strands pointing out in a sea of blue (the Jones Island Piers) He must have took the time to reverse engineer the verses from the chosen location and I don’t know how deep he would have researched it…certainly he did SOME research to know the names of the streets and how they correspond to 3 who lived there.., or the 3 who lived there could just be the 3 Mitchells whom I think each floor is named after in Mitchell hall….BP he’s a tricky one….The lamps in lake park LOOK like a harp, or did he research the harp lamp? Wonderstones Hearth…is this simply the stone, or is it the base of a statue? Pass 3 staying west…is it a distance? Trees? Number of bridges? Number of monuments? Number of intersections with lights? The Beating of the World, how do you come up with that if you are not trying to get too deep? So the whole thing could go either way, but I feel that looking at it from the reverse point of view might open up a new avenue. Also letter from the country…is it G as was carved into the tree? Is it D for Deutschland or is it the S theory mentioned earlier in the forum? Again I tend to lean to the more simple clues like the golf tee’s, and the hand head position on the picture and the statue. Also from city hall directly east on Kilbourn puts you right at the Statue. His hotel if he stayed the night was probably downtown at the time…the Astor, or the Pfister.
I’m just trying to put myself in BP’s shoes….Sometimes the deeper you travel down the rabbit hole the more lost you get, and then sometimes eureka.

BP was a Jedi Master…thats all we need to know.

Another thing I should mention about the beating of the world…Milwaukee had a lot more foundries back in the early 80’s, perhaps there was a foundry nearby Kenwood Ave…or one that had a hammer that could be felt or heard for a mile or so near the area. There was a foundry near my school…about 7 or 8 blocks away that would shake the concrete when it was working. Not exactly a hot clue, but I’m trying to remember things from the early 80’s

What do you know about boxing rings? Im interested in learning more about the Ace Boxing Club and its locations. Im thinking “as you walk the ring” where a world champion boxer once fought.

Well not to be discouraging, but maybe BP was so over concerned about his reputation with the publisher that he sub consciously made it way harder than he thought…
We’ll have to wait and see what happens this weekend…maybe there is hope!

That article says he used a 6 foot shovel! That is a long handle capable of digging quite a deep hole.

still haven’t received my book. you guys have to go back to the grand staircase at the southern foot.  another word for proud is “grand”.
all that birch meant was “wood”. the roads …kenwood, linnwood, locust, marietta road, culvert(ravine road). seems to me you just have to walk around the grand staircase.
sure hope you all are still looking, all your research is great!
good luck!

also want to add: young could be “new” for newberry road.
if yo take her cloak as the stair casing, the jewel looks somewhere behind that, 5 feet away from curve of railing?

thanks bigmattyh
i read all of this thread and saw it wasn’t at the tree.
just thought i’d add some ideas.

slappy – if you’re right, why the reference to “pass the compass”? That takes us
away
from the staircase.

Hey Slappy — if you go back through and read the threads completely, you’ll see that some people have made great progress to figuring out where the casques are (or were).  It seems that the biggest problem in retrieving the Milwaukee casque is that there are two really convincing locations — but one might be poured over with concrete, and the other, the tree was removed.  BP was convinced these would be solved within a few months after the book’s release — he wasn’t counting on it taking 25 years.

An idea captured me today that if Preiss wanted to focus on burying the casque at the position of a statue’s boot or foot, then thinking along the lines of something relating to ballet to fit foot positioning might be a fancy approach. Envelope and Fifth are common terms on ballet.
The Juggler with her objects and balls…
…letter.
Ball + Letter = Balletter ~ ballet?

I want to fi d a link between the LotJ and this. Dwarves’ treasure: purple Amethyst, imperial star of Germany. Milwaukee might be proud of John Neumeier for being a ballet star and founding the Hamburg Ballet company in 1973..
Animal painter, you have any reclection of any Milwaukee performances of the Sugar Plum (purple amythest?) Fairy in the Nutcracker?

Anyone remember my theory of using a compass like a divider or leg-like tool designed for measuring a unit distance and walking over a map to determine a travel time or distance? Doesnt a nutcracker look just like a compass or divider?

erexere

Anyone remember my theory of using a compass like a divider or leg-like tool designed for measuring a unit distance and walking over a map to determine a travel time or distance? Doesnt a nutcracker look just like a compass or divider?

yes, but not the kind of nutcracker involved with the ballet, which looks nothing like a compass

maltedfalcon

yes, but not the kind of nutcracker involved with the ballet, which looks nothing like a compass

Of course…that crazy eyed imperial soldier with the teeth.

Here’s the same looking nutcracker our household had in the 70’s, compared to a draft compass/divider,

Unknown

Unknown:
Things considered to be wonders of the world include several statues, with the Colossus of Rhodes and the Statue of Zeus at Olympia among the Seven Wonders of the Ancient World and the Moai of Easter Island considered for inclusion in various lists of wonders of the modern world.

As you walk the beating of the world
Considering “beating” could also be “beading” as in a thread adorned with beads.  A bead could be an off reference to prayer as an object reference to some alternate significance.  I wonder if there’s a subtle hint to something like an “art walk”.  Walking along a path to observe several select points of artistry.
Something else to consider is the “of the world” section of that line with regard to the “Wonders
of the world
“.
I risk a quote from the dreaded wikipedia…
In correlation, I wonder if there’s a smart way to link well known statues and other artistic or architectural points to the Verse and Image.  I say it’s worth a shot.

Erexere,
A while ago, I found this reference to “Kenwood”…as the name of the
street we were to follow from Mitchell Hall….
This may help us to verify the starting point of the verse.
(To which “Mitchell” building was BP referring?)
View the three stories of Mitchell
As you walk the beating of the world
You pass Mitchell Hall on Kenwood Blvd.
In the past, we have thought that Kenwood, because of its stereo speakers,
may have been the “beating of the world” reference.
But I just found out that Kenwood, since 1947, has also been a kitchen appliance manufacturer…
specifically…”beaters”…or mixers. They introduced the double-beater! This makes more of the
case for Mitchell Hall on Kenwood Blvd. as our point of origin…instead of the Mitchell Mansion on Wisconsin Ave.
AP

AP, I forgot about that road name reference, thanks for the reminder.  I can easily buy that idea hook line and sinker as it really does put us on a viewable Mitchell.  Pardon my momentary reworking of that line.  It was fun while it lasted.  😀
Let me add the point that the last part of the line “of the world” might work well as an egg reference.  A type of egg that is a “world egg” is an alternate name for the Cosmic Egg.  The Kenwood beater reference works very nicely since eggs are something beaten.

Elcid, this is exactly the kind of work that will find the next casque. Nice find! However, I don’t see an issue for Oct. 31, 1976. It goes straight from Oct. 28 to Nov. 2.

Happy hunting to all in 2017…May this be the year of discovery!
AP

Is the casque buried at the southern foot of
A. a statue
B. a tree
C. a bench
D. a culvert
E. all of the above
F. none of the above
?

Update.  I’m shifting my view on this verse.  Let’s not reorganize the lines.  I thought it might be justified by the image of the juggler as a motif of “juggling” lines.  That may still be the case, but in juggling the balls stay in a pattern, they come back to where they started, they don’t necessarily get scrambled in their order.  Balls do get scrambled if the juggler means to do so, but let’s start with the assumption that the pattern is kept.  In that sense the verse is largely linear.  My only suspicion now is that some lines are “recycled”.  I think we encounter more than one Mitchell, more than one “Step on nature”, more than one “Cast in copper” and clearly we have more than one “At a distance..” and more than one “Three”.  It’s been said “Step on nature” = Oak Leaf Trail, and I’m in agreement.  I think we start near Mitchell Hall at UWM along Kenwood Blvd and then step on the Oak Leaf Trail at the northwest tip of Lake Park and follow along the Lincoln Memorial Dr. route to the Grand Staircase where we leave the Oak Leaf Trail momentarily as we ascend back into the heart of the Lake Park and resume travel along a different branch of the Oak Leaf Trail continuing south past the compass (North Point…lighthouse) and continue past the bridges and culverts and then we leave the Oak Leaf Trail again to pass the compass (North Point…Park) and reach (North Point Water Tower) Prospect Ave. (At a distance..) and continue south till we hit Wells St. (Time and Space -elements of the science fiction genre of H.G. Wells)…and then we arrive at the south side of City Hall where we continue in a south direction till we come to another Mitchell (Historic Mitchell street).  It’s in this way we will find the Milwaukee casque.
I believe I’ve found a harpsichord location in 1981…and a woman who played it, her last name happens to be Mitchell.

I’m beginning to see a pattern.   In juggling the objects recirculate.  This verse IS linear in most respects, but key lines have potential to be reused, which leads to a good explanation for how to start first at Mitchell Hall and then follow a trail south to Mitchell Street.  Step on nature and cast in copper get recycled also.
I thought Kenwood to Oak Leaf Trail (along the edge of Lincoln Memorial Dr.) To Grand Staircase and back to Oak Leaf Trail.
Then to Prospect and to Wells…and turn on Water..to the First [street] (first young = first kindergarten? Birch might be superfluous like it seems in the Cleveland solve…nobody ever placed a birch in that setting).

You can also “view the three stories of Mitchell” in West Allis by traveling down West Lincoln Ave. and looking at the Mitchell family home, which is now part of a home for the aged (but still completely intact.) it is a 3-story Queen Anne style home that The Mitchell family built and named “Meadowmere.”
More here:
http://mitchellmanorwestallis.com/retirement-communities-our-history
Just a thought.
Also, for what it’s worth, I believe the “beating of the world” refers to the World Series, which the Milwaukee Brewers ALMOST made it to in 1981, and DID compete it in 1982.

AP, that is a huge discovery, thanks for sharing.

My german is pretty bad but I recall a line from the poem Earle Koenig. Where the words ‘spiele spiel’ means something like “playful speaking”.  Perhaps ‘Silently playing’ is a german translation.  What would that be?  Stille spiele?  Hmm..maybe not.
Sorry, translating across languages is not likely.  I feel like I’m running out of ideas.
Of wonderstones hearth has my interest for the moment.  A hearth isn’t strictly a fireplace.  It is specifically the base or bottom front area of a fireplace.  Wonderstone is a reddish and “marblized” kind of mineral.  I’ve thought before that it looks a lot like the red granite used in some statue bases such as the Lief Eriksson, Immigrant Mother, Lincoln (beardless), and the Kosciuszko equestrian statue.  Maybe the line is only to say “a reddish stone base.”
But red granite isn’t wonderstone.  Wonderstone isn’t always red and is mostly lined with orange to beige and yellow.
The true name for wonderstone is greek, pyrophyllite, pyros (fire) + phyllos (leaf).  That would make wonderstone and hearth both “fire” clues within a context of stone.  The qualities of fire and stone carry the sense of temperature and color but also might be a literal chimney perhaps belonging to the country from the letter’s origin.  Or maybe its just something “reddish” and something “hard” like a red oak tree.
Of fire-leaf’s base/floor/front…

Malted, I’ve been thinking more on your question for a better reasoning on how the word ‘stamp’ might be implicated and how it would then be connected to a horse’s hoof.  I honestly can’t say for certain, but I do like the implication derived from the line “at the southern foot”.  Usage of the word foot and the fact that a stamp may be derived from a foot falling might help support my theory.  I believe this horse statue’s foot which actually points south might be visually supported by the image.  It’s hard to tell without a real up close look.  The millstone is just above eye level to the woman.  The hoof is above eye level to a viewer of the statue.  Spire’s of a building, though not the Milwaukee city hall, are viewable in the background, the Basilica of St. Josephat has two tall points, the bell tower and the dome.

So here are some of the pics I found thus far as noted in the previous post.. Note that it looks like there was a
birch
right by the picnic tables in the one picture. Not sure that helps a lot but maybe. Anyone have an idea where those picnic tables were?

BTW, with some of the trail closures and construction such as this one here for ravine road:
and the one for the first (south) lions bridge trail, the casque may get more difficult to find – if public works doesn’t dig it up.

Don’t know if this was brought up before but “stories of Mitchell could be “Billy Mitchell from WW1–“view the beating of the world” as walking through a war musuem and the time and space thing, could refer to that period in history?–just a thought thrown out

Dwarves’ treasure: purple Amethyst,
Imperial star of Germany
Milwaukee is known for it’s large set of German immigrants.
Maybe the Amethyst picture goes with this verse?

animal painter

TJ,
Is this more like what you expected?

Absolutely!
Or even rocks/stones embedded in the dirt…

Ahhh, quite intriguing.  Like it a lot.  You cant get much more quiet while playing a harpsichord than a painting.
Sounds very promising

This is a very remote possibility, but we may want to find out if that Steuben statue has always been where it is now.  I have found that city improvements (especially in St. Louis) include relocation of statues.
Mr. Steuben, where were you on the night of April 1, 1982?
Uuuhh.  Riding my horse, Your Honor.

Sorry this is so long, but i just discovered this quest and I feel like a kid with a new toy.
View the three stories of Mitchell
As you walk the beating of the world
At a distance in time
From three who lived there
Read this using the word ‘From’ to tell you where to start, as in ‘From here, go there’. If you do that, the phrase can read like this chronologically: “From three who lived there, at a distance in time as you walk the beating of the world, view the 3 stories of Mitchell. I do not believe this is going in reverse order, it’s just reading the phrasing in a different manner than you would normally by starting at the top and reading down.
I believe the start is 900 W. Wisconsin Ave, the current address where the Alexander Mitchell Estate
http://content.mpl.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/HstoricPho/id/626
would be if it still existed. This, according to wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Mitchell
, is where Billy Mitchell (the General), his father John, and grandfather Alexander all lived (the three who lived there). The Mitchell name is all over Milwaukee, so starting where three generations of this family lived seems poetic in a way.
So, start at 900 W. Wisconsin Ave. Then, as you ‘walk the beating of the world’…
“walk the beating of the world”
Milwaukee has had 2 championships: the 1957 World Series win vs. NY Yankees, and the 1971 Milwaukee Bucks NBA championships vs Baltimore. Both had victory parades! The 1957 parade took place along Wisconsin Avenue
http://www.milwaukeehistory.net/museum/exhibits/online-exhibit/unlocking-the-vault/1957-braves-indian-text/
. I cant find anything about the Bucks 1971 parade route, but since we’re on Wisconsin already, I’ll run with it.
OK back to the beginning. Starting from three who lived there [900 W. Wisconsin] and walking West, eventually you’ll view the three stories of Mitchell [Building] as you walk the beating of the world [parade route]. (I tried to confirm using Google Maps/Street view that you can see the Mitchell building from W. Wisconsin Ave, but I can’t be 100% sure from here.)
Now, how long does it take (at a distance in time) to get from 900 W. Wisconsin to where you can see the Mitchell Bulding? Is that number significant somehow? Or is the phrasing just telling you that you have to walk a little bit (use up some time) from the start to see the building? I think the latter.
If it were me, I would then start the next phase of the journey in the same way, using ‘From’ as the starting point.
“At a distance in space from woman, with harpsichord silently playing step on nature cast in copper.” Or is it like this (see #3 below)
“At a distance in space – From woman, with harpsichord silently playing step on nature cast in copper.”
Thoughts:
1) when I read it like this, the woman doesn’t have the harpsichord silently playing,
you do
(whoa – what does that mean?)
2) step on nature cast in copper – sounds like a plaque – something bronzed in the sidewalk perhaps. Something commemorative? I see a bronze leaf in my imagination or one of those “This tree dedicated in Memory of Billy Bob’s cousin” things. I know that people think that it’s the Oak Leaf Trail, but it’s been said before, until it’s been found, nothing is off the table, right?
3) I wonder if the ‘at a distance in space’ part is telling you that from where you are, there’s some distance to get to the woman, the next starting point, kind of like the ‘distance in time’ part above told you that you have to use up time to get there ‘walk a little’. Someone mentioned in this tread some time ago the Immigrant Mother Statue in Cathedral Square Park
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigrant_Mother_%28sculpture%29
. It’s not that far from Wisconsin Ave, and this ‘distance in space’ thing could be the fudge factor in how you get there.
4,5,6) my brain hurts

Unknown

Unknown:
And the good thing is, once the spot is dug and proved wrong, we have more pertinent information.

Unfortunately, an empty hole is no longer as conclusive as it would have been when the book was first published and Preiss was involved. It is for each treasure hunter to decide if they have it right, and the casque is gone, or if they have it wrong, whether it be by a few inches, a few feet, a few yards, or a few miles. The bad news is that if you choose the latter, there is no limit to how many times you can re-work, re-think, reach a different conclusion, and dig anew. However, and this is the good news (sort of) if you choose the former, the exercise is capped at 10 trials.

i beg the diference from my research and listening to the family members of Preiss he was big on immigration and historical places like parks with history he wanted younger folks to use their imagination more get out and visit nature and historic structures that’s why the most important things to me is physicalization,visualization and imagination
the only way to get the experience is to first READ THE BOOK!!! YOU WILL UNDERSTAND THE PURPOSE OF THE FARE FOLKS …
GET OFF GOOGLE MAP ! And visit Milwaukee i was born and raise in Milwaukee and moved to Minnesota years ago and thought wow cool priess was there when i was in high school and in my life time going to or by the lake ?never thought about or heard of lake park history until watching expedition unknown
seen the light house hundred of times but the closes i’ve been to lake park is when i go to summerfest lol and got relatives and friends that live in MILW now that still don’t visit ,walk or in some cases never heard of or i should say know the history of that beautiful place and now i just want to come home to walk around lake park and other places might be fun ? ohhh and see where i think the treasure is
here is my visual thoughts : THE WOMAN IS NOT WEARING A CAPE THAT IS A BIRCH TREE ,THAT IS NOT WATER THAT IS GRASS ? what y’all think ?we can solve this if we meet at the park and see what the fair folks see that’s the only way to get that ahhh_ahh moment …
good luck to everyone …i’m still reading the book and looking for clues in the painting you do the same …

Seems like I recall an statement by Priess stating that he thought the casques would be found fairly quickly because he thought the puzzles were quite simple and direct. Don’t quote me on having the words exactly right but that was the gist of it.
Does anyone else recall him saying that in an article?

lol yes that’s what his daughters said on expedition unknown ?now over 37 years later amazingly only two have been found ,the last in 2004 it is an addicting book i wish i was more into that stuff in 1981 just basketball and girls for me, if i knew then my best friend and i would have been all over the place trying to find that jewel
!especially back then we was broke little dudes lol ? we was so gong oh we would of had shovels and about 20 fellas digging away lol wow life is good

jayheedan1

Seems like I recall an statement by Priess stating that he thought the casques would be found fairly quickly because he thought the puzzles were quite simple and direct. Don’t quote me on having the words exactly right but that was the gist of it.
Does anyone else recall him saying that in an article?

You are correct. That has been mentioned and it has also been said that all you need to solve the puzzle is the Image and the Verse.

Unknown

Unknown:
We are all wrong until we dig one up proving we’re right.

I think the puzzle construction allows for what I’ll call incremental correctness. We can’t be 100% sure we have all the Treasure Cities correct, but that would certainly be the way to bet based on the best available information. The same is true for the commonly accepted Verse/Image pairings IMO. It’s at the Park level where things get murky, and anyone who claims to know on a more specific level than that (Treasure Ground or Dig Spot) is kidding themselves until they dig it up, as Fox said.

MrBackstop

That’s what’s so cool about these puzzles, we are all right until we’re not.

I would argue that you have that completely backwards. We are all wrong until we dig one up proving we’re right. Having a theory to a location nowhere near the actual burial site does not make you right.

Euhirudinea

I think the puzzle construction allows for what I’ll call incremental correctness. We can’t be 100% sure we have all the Treasure Cities correct, but that would certainly be the way to bet based on the best available information. The same is true for the commonly accepted Verse/Image pairings IMO. It’s at the Park level where things get murky, and anyone who claims to know on a more specific level than that (Treasure Ground or Dig Spot) is kidding themselves until they dig it up, as Fox said.

Thanks renovator, exactly my point. And the good thing is, once the spot is dug and proved wrong, we have more pertinent information. I look forward to finally being able to go check a dig spot myself in a few weeks…perhaps by Labor Day weekend, now that my busy season is over. Unfortunately for me, I live closest to the two casques that have been found. Milwaukee is out for me until the renovation is over.

I’ve been thinking on a clarification for the “hearth” or home of wonderstone. Originally, it’s home would be some mineral rich spot in the earth’s soil, possibly some specific place where it was mined, or just a general kind of “miner” reference. I would suggest from the following picture that the polished version of the rock may be have it’s origin in a rock tumbler, which is why I think the line is being used to point at something relating to the Polish.

FB,
Your photos are beautiful…and are an excellent visual tour of the area.
The ravines are so sunny now!…That means that “proud tall” trees
that once lined them, are gone.
The “Girl Scout” tree by the old soccer field is also gone now.
One day, we may hear of a remarkable “find” by some park grounds-keeper…
a strange clear plastic box housing a plaster “teapot”!
Thank you for sharing your up-to-date pictures.
AP
P.S.  When you “passed the compass” in 1981, you may have been able to walk
around the lighthouse on the North side of it…leading you closer to the
North Lion Bridge Ravine…because there used to be a walkway
from the grassy area between the Lion Bridges, leading West to Wahl Ave.

TY AP ,hard to count,are the single footfalls,just as hard to count,and i think
FB said the 2 footfalls pace count,would put you across the street, i only see
that being the place,if there is a metal type culvert,at the end of the ravine,and
you start a pace count from there,i know you had a map,of the markers you
were using,but i cant seem to find it,could you post it again or lead me to it
FB nice pics TY
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and FYI,you prob know already but just in case
June 10
History Walk Through Lake Park- Southern Area
Time: 1:00 p.m.
Location: Meet at Warming House
Details: This summer the Lake Park Friends History Committee members will lead three walks
through Lake Park, a park designed by Frederick Law Olmsted in 1893. Old maps and photographs
will be used as aids to more fully interpret the park’s historical buildings, bridges and statues.
This particular walk will highlight the southern area of the park. Meet at the Lake Park Friends office
/Warming House rain or shine.
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July 8
History Walk Through Lake Park- Central Area
Time: 1:00 p.m.
Location: Meet at Warming House
Details: This summer the Lake Park Friends History Committee members will lead three walks
through Lake Park, a park designed by Frederick Law Olmsted in 1893. Old maps and photographs
will be used as aids to more fully interpret the park’s historical buildings, bridges and statues.
This particular walk will highlight the central section of the park. Meet at the Lake Park Friends
office/Warming House rain or shine.
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August 12
History Walk Through Lake Park- Northern Area
Time: 1:00 p.m.
Location: Meet at Warming House
Details: This summer the Lake Park Friends History Committee members will lead three walks
through Lake Park, a park designed by Frederick Law Olmsted in 1893. Old maps and photographs
will be used as aids to more fully interpret the park’s historical buildings, bridges and statues.
This particular walk will highlight the northern area of the park. Meet at the Lake Park Friends
office/Warming House rain or shine.
http://lakeparkfriends.org/calendar.shtml#june

AP

P.S.  When you “passed the compass” in 1981, you may have been able to walk around the lighthouse on the North side of it…leading you closer to the North Lion Bridge Ravine…because there used to be a walkway from the grassy area between the Lion Bridges, leading West to Wahl Ave.

Ah! That makes the North Lion Bridge Ravine a bit more likely then.

I see the similarity.

Cw0909,
Sounds very interesting…
Wonder how old their photos will be.
AP
Not sure about the map you are referring to.
I will take a look at my earlier posts…
(Can it really have been over 6 years ago?)

cw0909,
If a pace were to mean two footsteps, that would almost double the distance covered.
When walking the trail from under the bridge in the Southeast direction, it would
be hard to measure the paces consistently, since the steps are made of irregular
sizes of stones and dirt (“rock and soil”).
AP

erexere — I’m looking hard, but not seeing any similarity. Seeing two patterns doesn’t mean they match.

Thanks for the pics Forest.

Here’s how my minds eye perceived the two patterns.  They do overlay, believe me, they do.

Isn’t it rounded?
This was the other suggestion.

I’ve been making the mistake of thinking of 1 pace as one step.  I think it’s more correct to use every other step distance which is about 2m.
My most curious find is the birch tree nearest the street and on the west side of Kosy park, from that you pass three more as you walk about 200m or 100 paces southeast to the statue.

I’m no doubt rehashing…
I keep thinking of why Preiss would use the word “beating” if not to at least get us thinking about the heart.  The same goes for why he would use the word “hearth”.  The connection might simply be LOVE.  He doesn’t use the word love, or have much of anything else that might be construed as such.  I would just be open to considering some goal in this Milwaukee quest to be associated with that which is loved greatly.  Could it be a building, a statue, an ideal, a child, a woman, a tree, some other art piece, or a hero?
I’m very drawn to the idea that the line “Of wonderstone’s hearth” equates to “Ash” which in turn leads to that which rises from ashes, the Phoenix of Greek myth.  A modern usage of the word phoenix is to describe an exceptional person, or even one who is much loved or held in the highest regard.
I think there’s a path in this criteria that leads to Kosciuszko.

has anyone dug around the foot of the lion’s bridge? or around it, or poked it?

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Unknown:
By the way– why is Germany the country of wonderstone’s hearth?  Why couldn’t it be Spain?  Or England?

Because the stone for this picture is the amethyst, which is associated with Germany in the Litany of the Jewels (see p. 21).
Every picture has an associated month (2 balls = February), birthstone (amethyst), and birthflower (primrose).

But aren’t amethyst purple to violet?  The book, the scans, and the hi-res all appear to have blue gems…  The other reason I question this reasoning is because Wonderstone is a completely different mineral altogether… Not to mention that Amethyst are formed by volcanic activity, whereby liquids rich in silica are deposited in geodes in lava.  An active volcano is, geologically, one which has erupted within the last 20000 years, of which there are none in Germany.  I believe I mentioned this before.  Same with wonderstone… Now, it is a fact that Amethyst deposits have been discovered in the Lake Superior region, but that wouldn’t specifically imply Germany…

A Pace can mean many things, but that is how we counted them in the Army.  By the way–does anyone have any ideas as to what (speaking of the litany) the 13th gemstone might be?

Trohn,
Thanks for the very informational walk through on your quest. I’m feeling you all are getting close to getting another one and I’m biting nails and waiting.

Unknown

Unknown:
Is that a theory, or can you provide some type of evidence for that?  Why not the key too, to make it 14? After all, the key is the REAL treasure…

The Litany ends with:
Wonder and glory thirteen-fold:
These are the treasures the Fair Folk bring
Every treasure (all 13 of them) gets 2 lines each in the Litany. In the order mentioned, the “treasures the Fair Folk bring” (and their sources) are:
Garnet (England)
Emerald (Celtic = Ireland)
Sapphire (Iberia = Spain)
Turquoise (France)
Amethyst (Germany)
Opal (Lowland = Netherlands)
Topaz (Russia)
Peridot (Italy)
Ruby (Araby = Arabia)
Diamond (Africa)
Aquamarine (Hellas = Greece)
Pearl (Cathay = China)
These are all stated straightforwardly on pp. 20-21.
And finally…
Each jewel in its weird-wrought casque
Gift of the Viking craftsmen elves
It is no coincidence that the 12 jewels are also the birthstones of the 12 months. See this, under the “Modern Birthstone” column:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birthstone#Birthstones
It has also been noted that each picture contains the corresponding birthflower, and some numerical indication of the corresponding birth month.

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Unknown:
But aren’t amethyst purple to violet?  The book, the scans, and the hi-res all appear to have blue gems…  The other reason I question this reasoning is because Wonderstone is a completely different mineral altogether… Not to mention that Amethyst are formed by volcanic activity, whereby liquids rich in silica are deposited in geodes in lava.  An active volcano is, geologically, one which has erupted within the last 20000 years, of which there are none in Germany.  I believe I mentioned this before.  Same with wonderstone… Now, it is a fact that Amethyst deposits have been discovered in the Lake Superior region, but that wouldn’t specifically imply Germany…

The author does not literally mean a “wonderstone” of the rhyolite variety you are probably thinking of. He is poetically referring to the fairies’ jewel. So “wonderstone’s hearth” means “home of the jewel for this verse” which is most definitely Germany.
As for the color, yes, it does look blue. The color is a bit off. But it’s the closest to purple of any of the pictured jewels. By inspection, the following are indisputable matches:
P1 = pearl
P7 = turquoise
P9 = opal
Because folks have found them, these matches are indisputable:
P4 = aquamarine
P5 = emerald
…and the month/birthstone/birthflower theme can be used to remove any doubt about the rest:
P2 = 4th month + daisy + African theme + clear gem = diamond
P3 = 1st month + carnation + English theme + red gem = garnet
P6 = 9th month + aster + Spanish theme + blue gem = sapphire
P8 = 7th month + larkspur + Arabian theme + red gem = ruby
P11 = 8th month + gladiolus + green gem = peridot
By elimination
and
by thematic clues, that leaves:
P10 = 2nd month + primrose = amethyst

It’s the casque itself.

Is that a theory, or can you provide some type of evidence for that?  Why not the key too, to make it 14? After all, the key is the REAL treasure…

Unknown

Unknown:
Here’s the problem with having too many threads, I can’t find diggers pic of the culvert.

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Unknown:
I’d like to pose a question though….
Pass the compass and reach the foot of the culvert
Below the bridge
Walk 100 paces
Southeast over rock and soil
A culvert could be considered the drainpipe, the bridge or roadway that passes over it, or the
channel
it is going into.
The ravine.
Again, if BP used
ravine
in the verse instead of
culvert
, it would be too easy.  Can this verse fit to where you actually pass right next to the North Point going west to the
start
of the ravine?  If you are going to consider 100 paces as yards, you would walk right into the lake, or at least across Lincoln Memorial Drive if you started southeast from the bridge.  But if you start at the beginning of the ravine west of the light house, and walk 100 yards, over rock and soil, it would put you just at the bridge.  I think you can see that very well when you look at it from
www.local.live.com
rotated with east being at the top of the map set to the Bird’s Eye view.  Perfect spot to hide a casque.  Yeah, i know, I have trouble getting the verse to do it too.  Just maybe you have to walk 100 paces to get to the bridge.
I keep thinking of paces as the steps walked off like during a duel.  10 paces, turn and shoot.  Pretty big steps.

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Unknown:
Lastly, would BP have known that the Grand Staircase looked like two inverted C’s from above?  Without Google earth, it’s hard to tell.  Not to mention, that from above there are way too many parks that have things that look like inverted C’s.

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has anyone dug around the foot of the lion’s bridge? or around it, or poked it?

Thanks, I have actually been meaning to write that summary for 6 months now.  And thanks for bumping the maps to go along with them.
They are in the Milwaukee update thread on page 21.  It is the link to the pics on flickr not the pics themselves.
I think what you are saying  would work if BP constructed the verse so that the steps were not in one-right-after-the-other order.  You would start at the head of Ravine 1 and walk 100 paces SE over rock and soil and then pass the compass and get to the foot of the culvert.  However, I believe that Ravine 1 doesn’t run SE for most of its length.  Only after you cross under the Lions Head bridge does the trail turn slightly so that you are now going SE.
Perhaps I misspoke when I used the word above.  At any point, either from the base or the top, where you can see the whole staircase you can see the double C.
not that I know of

forest_blight

The author does not literally mean a “wonderstone” of the rhyolite variety you are probably thinking of. He is poetically referring to the fairies’ jewel. So “wonderstone’s hearth” means “home of the jewel for this verse” which is most definitely Germany.
As for the color, yes, it does look blue. The color is a bit off. But it’s the closest to purple of any of the pictured jewels. By inspection, the following are indisputable matches:
P1 = pearl
P7 = turquoise
P9 = opal
Because folks have found them, these matches are indisputable:
P4 = aquamarine
P5 = emerald
…and the month/birthstone/birthflower theme can be used to remove any doubt about the rest:
P2 = 4th month + daisy + African theme + clear gem = diamond
P3 = 1st month + carnation + English theme + red gem = garnet
P6 = 9th month + aster + Spanish theme + blue gem = sapphire
P8 = 7th month + larkspur + Arabian theme + red gem = ruby
P11 = 8th month + gladiolus + green gem = peridot
By elimination
and
by thematic clues, that leaves:
P10 = 2nd month + primrose = amethyst

very nice summation, fb

So far you have said the same thing three times, and not answered my question; I KNOW what the litany says, because I have it in front of me.  A hearth is the entrance to a fireplace, by almost every single definition of it.  I am not disputing that an Amethyst means Germany, but the fact that the word “wonderstone” is used is too close to the line without definitely going over to either side.  Now, the jewel reference to a specific country is interesting, because the Emerald painting (Chicago) doesn’t seem to have any Irish/Celtic influences (except the fairies); And the painting that DOES have a pronounced celtic theme (11) has a green jewel which cannot be an emerald if it was already used…  The other stone that it might be, judging from the color, is Peridot, which is Italy…

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Unknown:
So far you have said the same thing three times, and not answered my question

I give up. Can someone else help me out here?? Perhaps I didn’t understand the question.

Slappy,
Here is proof positive that the buildings behind the
figure are indeed Milwaukee’s City Hall.
http://thesecret.pbwiki.com/10_LM
I have added 2 photos to the Webshots album of
the Lion Bridges to show you just how close the
they are to the Lighthouse…
literally…a stone’s throw.
Keep “thinking outside the box”  and sharing
your “free associations”.
AP

AP, i had no doubt that was city hall at the top of the picture.
i  meant the impression of the hill  behind the lady being an outline of the lighthouse.

Slappy,
Sorry
I see the hill at the extreme left
that you are referring to.
AP

There is a statue of Lief Eriksson in Lake Park. I don’t know how close a viking comes to the definition of an adversary, although they did enjoy their attempts to capture slaves, which the natives fought by biting their tongues off, thereby comitting suicide…

ck mentioning that german letter, s sharp, made me remember that another definition for “fifth” was in music.
see, how someone saying something sparks something, lol. it’s just another thing to keep in mind
i just noticed another silhouette of the lion on the left side of the cloak, follow the material down, close to the left border of the page.
am i forcing it or does anyone else see it?
in this postcard  look how close the lighthouse is to the lion bridge, could the shape behind the lady be the lighthouse?
http://flickr.com/photos/orchardlake/611458124/

Has anyone counted the number of steps leading up to the Villa Terrace Museum from Lincoln Memorial?

gManTexas

Not sure if I posted about this.
You’ll see a letter from the country
Of wonderstone’s hearth
Wonderstone is Jasper. Hearth means home. In Canada there is Jasper National Park. Maybe we are looking for a C.
Across from the lighthouse is a half circle field with C looking structure. What is it?
Or this at the bottom of the ravine trail:
N Lincoln Memorial Dr
https://goo.gl/maps/NBJfLxbkzzw

The white rock structure at the bottom of the ravine trail is an old storm drain. I believe this has already been mentioned but inside the drain is large circular stone cover with a square in the middle (just like the one in the image). There is a metal grate covering the square. The letter “G” (for Germany) is inscribed on the metal plate on the base of many of the lampposts throughout the park though I don’t know if any have that letter on Lincoln near the ravine trail.

Do we have any searchers that are local to Milwaukee? This puzzle seems like the easiest of the remaining ones. We should be able to find this one.

Not sure if I posted about this.
You’ll see a letter from the country
Of wonderstone’s hearth
Wonderstone is Jasper. Hearth means home. In Canada there is Jasper National Park. Maybe we are looking for a C.
Across from the lighthouse is a half circle field with C looking structure. What is it?
Or this at the bottom of the ravine trail:
N Lincoln Memorial Dr
https://goo.gl/maps/NBJfLxbkzzw

gManTexas

Do we have any searchers that are local to Milwaukee? This puzzle seems like the easiest of the remaining ones. We should be able to find this one.

This is one of my favorite puzzles. For all the suggestions in many years, this is the puzzle that has received the greatest number of verifiable discoveries.
At this point people should be in agreement about the Mitchell and the beating of the world.,
There’s something special about locating the two spires (city hall), and recognizing the symbolism of two spheres (juggler).

gManTexas

Not sure if I posted about this.
You’ll see a letter from the country
Of wonderstone’s hearth
Wonderstone is Jasper. Hearth means home. In Canada there is Jasper National Park. Maybe we are looking for a C.
Across from the lighthouse is a half circle field with C looking structure. What is it?

Keep in mind, as I’m sure you’ve noticed, one of the few uses in history of the word wonders tone is in the book, and it refers to the jewels the fairies buried.

erexere

This is one of my favorite puzzles. For all the suggestions in many years, this is the puzzle that has received the greatest number of verifiable discoveries.
At this point people should be in agreement about the Mitchell and the beating of the world.,
There’s something special about locating the two spires (city hall), and recognizing the symbolism of two spheres (juggler).

Do you know anyone that is on the ground? Also, the general impression that I get is that the dig should be relatively easy. I know people have said that the parks department is upset, but there seems to very little in the way of archaeological value and/or protected status.

gManTexas

Do we have any searchers that are local to Milwaukee? This puzzle seems like the easiest of the remaining ones. We should be able to find this one.

The tricky part has always been the final marker “the proud tall fifth.” Perhaps a tree when you go west at the bottom of north lighthouse ravine trail. There is not much else there.

I dont.

davinci4

The tricky part has always been the final marker “the proud tall fifth.” Perhaps a tree when you go west at the bottom of north lighthouse ravine trail. There is not much else there.

I’m not sure this is referring to a tree, and maybe the birch clue is not a tree either.
I haven’t thought about the “proud tall fifth” enough, but could it just mean the fifth lion statue that you can look up and see from the bottom of the ravine?

gManTexas

but could it just mean the fifth lion statue that you can look up and see from the bottom of the ravine?

aren’t there only 2?

On the surface, this does seem to be a slam-dunk, but I can personally attest to the many locations which the verse and picture can lead to.

Yes. That is certainly possible. The lions would have been a great marker because they would stand the test of time.
Two things though about the lions. I don’t know how visible they would be from down below on Lincoln Memorial. Also, it would seem odd to make you walk all the way pass the north point light house (passing the lions), down the north lighthouse ravine trail and then to Lincoln memorial drive. You would then have to walk back up to the top (no directions telling us to do so). The verses are so specific. Wish there were some satellite images of this area in 1980 available.

There used to be online aerial photos of Milwaukee County from decades ago.. But they have removed the public access to them.

I guess the question would be: is there any evidence to suggest the ‘proud tall fifth’ wasn’t a tree? There is a very large tree that stands next to the south ravine trail sign. It would be the third/fourth noteworthy tree going west from the north ravine trail though and this area has undoubtedly changed since 1980.
Looking at the google street view, it would be a nice if a ‘tree expert’ could say old these trees are.
Animal Painter, too bad about the older imagery. It could help narrow down the selection process significantly.

maltedfalcon

aren’t there only 2?

There are eight lions, on two bridges.

davinci4

Yes. That is certainly possible. The lions would have been a great marker because they would stand the test of time.
Two things though about the lions. I don’t know how visible they would be from down below on Lincoln Memorial. Also, it would seem odd to make you walk all the way pass the north point light house (passing the lions), down the north lighthouse ravine trail and then to Lincoln memorial drive. You would then have to walk back up to the top (no directions telling us to do so). The verses are so specific. Wish there were some satellite images of this area in 1980 available.

Right, but that may be the answer right there. You are forced to walk past them, then you know they are there. Maybe you have to go back up to confirm which lion, but even if there is no line of sight, the lions are above you.

animal painter

On the surface, this does seem to be a slam-dunk, but I can personally attest to the many locations which the verse and picture can lead to.

Are you in Milwaukee? If you have searched, could you tell us about your experiences?
Edit: I see you have searched. Can you give us a quick and dirty on it?

drunknerds

Keep in mind, as I’m sure you’ve noticed, one of the few uses in history of the word wonders tone is in the book, and it refers to the jewels the fairies buried.

True, but not associated with a particular country. I think this reference is literal. Either Canada or one of the countries that is a major source for jasper. Germany is listed as having a quality Jasper vein.
http://www.quartzpage.de/jasper.html
Also, it is interesting that the term hearth is used. Jasper, being mostly quartz, has a very high resistance to heat, and can be used as a building material.
In astrology, Jasper is associated with the astrological signs of leo, virgo, and scorpio.
I also wonder if there is a Jasper deposit near the casque site. We need a junior geologist to look around.

There is a
Secret
thread titled “Milwaukee Update”.
It is on page 9 of the threads.
On page 24 of the “Milwaukee Update” thread, there is a comparison of two photos of the large cottonwood from 1940 and 2008.
(My original posted photos have been lost with the shutting down of “Webshots” photo site.
You can learn a lot about the Milwaukee digs and ideas from the “Milwaukee Update” thread.
You might be able to find it more easily by searching on “cottonwood 1930 1940”

Guys, if you head on down the road to North Point Park you will find your Proud tall fifth.

Okay…. so… what?  are you saying it is on the hillside or at the base of a pedestal?  Or are you saying that I’m wrong?  I’m not being argumentative or anything, I just want to know what you are trying to say…  I mean, the verse says a lot of things in the way of directions…

coupla questions AP,
Is the cape tree in what on Shadowrunner’s map was called Ravine#2?  Or, in other words, the Ravine that has the tree that FB dug at?  The tree that up till now we were referring to as the Proud Tall Fifth?
Is the cape tree on the left or right side of the ravine(as you go move away from LMD and toward the lighthouse)?
Is the cape tree before or after you pass under the Lion’s Head Bridge?
How far from the bridge is the cape tree?
How far up the slope is the cape tree?
How many lions are there in total on the two bridges?
AP, this is great fun, thanks for bringing us all along for the ride.
Just wanted to mention something that I noticed from the pictures.  For those who haven’t been there, it is easy to misjudge the steepness of the slope of the ravines.  They are
REALLY
steep.  If you were to dig there you would probably have to tie yourself to a tree in order to avoid tumbling down the slope.  AP, I’m not complaining about the pics they are great but just wanted to point that out to those who haven’t been there.

KLBT,
No one is right and no one is wrong until someone finds a casque.
You said yourself that there was nothing in particular that leads you to your
area except that it is flat.  Are there any other clues from the verse or image
to designate your location?
I have looked in more than one place, have gone in several directions,
trying to use the clues and images, and have not found anything yet.
But this last solution feels “more right” than any of my previous attempts.
I will start at the pedestals and go around the rest of the bridge before
giving up on this location.
AP

digger7

coupla questions AP,
Is the cape tree in what on Shadowrunner’s map was called Ravine#2?  Or, in other words, the Ravine that has the tree that FB dug at?  The tree that up till now we were referring to as the Proud Tall Fifth?

digger7

Is the cape tree on the left or right side of the ravine(as you go move away from LMD and toward the lighthouse)?
Is the cape tree before or after you pass under the Lion’s Head Bridge?

digger7

How far from the bridge is the cape tree?
How far up the slope is the cape tree?

digger7

How many lions are there in total on the two bridges?

Yes, it is in the south-most ravine that leads down to LMD where Forest-and-friends dug.
As you walk from LMD toward the Lighthouse, the tree is past the bridge on the left side.
The tree is 3-4 feet from the side of the bridge and 3-4 feet from the top of the slope.
There are 8 lion sculptures…2 at each end of each bridge.
Digger, it seems like the only place
near
a lion pedestal that would be semi-hidden
for BP to dig unseen, is the area just behind the pedestal-wall-foundation.  Otherwise, the
very base of the bridge, (under the bridge) would afford more “cover” for him.
You are right about the steepness of the slope.  If it were not for the snow and my
steel rod, I would have slid down to the ravine several times!
Glad you are “in on the hunt”…
AP

What would be interesting is for those who have been there, and dug before, to chime in with some thoughts.  Those memories could be key for finding the X spot.  Maybe…

I just added more photos to the “Cape Tree” album on webshots:
http://tinyurl.com/3ylmxw
The last two photos are for Slappy…of the Lion…and the sculptor’s signature.
It looks like someone at sometime colored the lion’s eyes blue.
The lion’s countenance does have great similarity to the woman in image 10.
Just a note for those who like trivia…
Paul Kupper is credited as the “sculptor”of the lions, but
Otto Lachmund is credited as the “carver”.
(I always like to see credit given where it is due…)
http://tinyurl.com/2up5f2
AP

AP check right uder the lions’  foot too, ok? (or feets, lol)
not just on the side, maybe you have to find the southern most  lion and then his foot.
still playing with words
i love how that cut tree is right there! great pictures! i am so excited for you, i sure hope it’s around there somewhere!

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Stercox marked the 5th tree going SW – the map is rotated 90 degrees clockwise. But your point is well-taken. It could be either tree depending on which ravine you start from.
“Pass three, staying west”, then you would be going down the 1st ravine.
Don’t get too hung up on the directions.  The map was more for conceptualization of the area.   I had a compass with me when I was down in the ravines and in this area.  It matched up SE and W.  I sketched in the trees on the fly and they may not be completely oriented correctly, but they are close.  Even the ravines that are on the original map are a little off, they do not run that far out toward LM Drive.  And if I recall correctly, ravine 1 does run more south than east (still SE) putting the copse of trees W.
How you know it’s the 5th tree going NW and not the 5th tree going SE?
It could be either tree depending on which ravine you start from.
Out of ravine 2, there are no further trees in a westerly direction, just bushes and brush.  There is only one tree that stands at the end of ravine 2 and it is the oldest and biggest of the trees.  The tree outside ravine 1 is the youngest and smallest of the trees.  Coming out of the ravine 1 allows you to find 5 trees to the west, the first being the youngest and the last being the oldest (and the one that would intuitively hold the Girl Scout Trail marker on it if a marker existed at this end).  This area is very unique in that it does not offer too much in the way of other options other than what it is.  Two trails, 5 trees, only out of ravine 1 will you find trees west, only the tree at the end of the five (same one as the end of Girl Scout trail or ravine 2) fits the description of
proud tall 5th
and would have GS marker on it.
it makes more sense to me to Pass the compass by simply traversing the Lion Bridge before then going down Ravine 2, which has the GS marker at one end.
You can get down into the bottom of either ravine from anypoint along them, bypassing the trail path created for getting people down to the bottom of the ravines,  by scaling down a rugged, very steep slope to the bottom.  Or you can take the nice safe trail stairs and path at the head of the ravine trails up near Lake Drive as intended, a route that allows you to
pass the compass and reach the foot of the culvert below the bridge
.    If you were to scale down slope into ravine 1 near the Bridge, to get below the bridge, you
will not
pass the compass.  If you traverse the bridge and scale down into ravine 2 from there to get below the bridge, you
will
pass the compass, but after your 100 paces SE you
will not
find any trees west.  If you follow the verse, you will not need to go down into ravine 2 (GS ravine) at all.
Working on pix.  Looking them over last night–I’ll need to do a lot of labeling–to keep people oriented.  In all my descriptions, I will use the verbiage that I have been using and that match the Lake Park Map that Blight so kindly posted for me.

My apologies — i hadn’t realized that the map image might not be oriented with north at the top.  Excellent analysis all ’round.

If you follow the verse, “Pass three, staying west”, then you would be going down the 1st ravine.
Building a house and moving has kept me away from this but have still been following along. Will be interesting to see if you can dig in this area along Lincoln Mem. Dr.

I am uncomfortable with the line
As you walk the beating of the world
referring to the Emanuel B’ne Jeshurun on Kenwood Blvd. The only piece of evidence we have for this is a phrase from an obscure candle-lighting ceremony on the website of a Humanistic Jewish congregation that does not have a permanent address (they meet in one of two schools in Westport, CT). Who knows when the welcome was written? E-mail to the address listed on the site bounces, and I haven’t worked up the courage to call them at the listed number. Clever references to Herman Melville and Robert Louis Stevenson I can understand, but if this is a literary reference, it seems
incredibly
obscure.
Too
obscure, and this is evidently not a well-known welcome or it would appear on more than one website.
http://www.humanisticjews.org/Shabbat_files/community_shabbat_welcome_2.htm
Another point: In the welcome, one doesn’t “walk” the beating of the world, one “feels” it, the latter makes more sense if it is a metaphor for harmony with the world:
In the quiet of my soul I
Feel the beating of the World.
It is not other than I nor am I other than it.
As wave is to ocean so am I to the World
and to the source that sustains it.
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I will be in Milwaukee May 8, 9, or 10. I would prefer the 9 but there is some flex there.
Starthinker – were you going there April 1? Wanna delay your visit a few weeks and make this a group dig?? Pine Tree has a friend at Milwaukee County Parks we can call on to oversee things and “get permission to dig out.”
The stars are aligning for unearthing a 3rd casque, I think. Let’s do this right.

Forest, let  me go out on the proverbial limb here.
BP was Jewish.  He passed away while going to services.  If there was a Jewish facility there in 1982, at this location, he would have had a hard time not stopping in and at least looking around.  If there was some quote or plaque or something he could use as a clue, he would have done so.
The ceremony you quoted, though specific to that site, had elements that I have seen many times in candle lighting ceremonies.  I believe this to be a positive clue.
wilhouse (shalom!)

have we checked to verify that’s it not an address or something of that sorts (200 grand street, for instance?)
wilhouse

fox

why or what is the 200?

I’m still fond of the interpretation that it is 200 in Roman numerals, or CC, and that the two curved sets of stairs form the Grand C-and-“backwards C”.  These kind of clues are more poetic and descriptive than literal.  I wouldn’t look to be counting 200 units of anything here.

It probably is just a coincidence but since the question of an address came up, City Hall is depicted in the picture and the address of City Hall is…..wait for it…..200. And sometimes these old buildings are referred to Grand old structures, “Grand 200”. But in the context of the verse “Ascend the 92 steps,
After climbing the grand 200” I don’t think it works. As for the Lake Park address, its 3233 E. Kenwood.
And as for the picture posted by Fox of the Stadium at Lake Park, it is not there and has been gone long before this.

I understand that. But are we actually to take “wonderstone” to mean the jewel in the image? I mean wonderstone is a real type of rock found in different places throughout the world. I can’t pinpoint where exactly Preiss is referring to. That is, if he isn’t referring to the jewel. Would he make it so vague that we find any letter in “Germany” or other country? Just keeping options open.

This verse is such a headache.
When I consider each line as it’s own meaning I have the approach that gives us a much different result.
You’ll see a letter from the country,
Let that stand alone and you might only think it refers to some person from some country who is educated, i.e. “a person of letters”.  I believe this person is Thaddeus Kosciuszko of Poland.
The next line might be disassociated and have it’s own sense, not relating to Poland but to Greece or Rome.
Of wonderstone’s hearth,
wonderstone = Pyrophyllite = Greek for “fire” + “leaf”.  hearth = Hestia, goddess of home and hearth.  If I were to venture a guess based only on this, I’d want to consider a building with a chimney.  Now to go look and see if there are chimney’d houses near the Kosciuszko statue.

How was it figured that the country of wonderstones hearth was Germany?

I think it’s Poland.

Germany is explicitly mentioned in the Litany of the Jewels (p. 21) as the origin of this painting’s jewel:
Dwarves’ treasure: purple Amethyst
Imperial star of Germany.
Hence, “G” makes sense.

A few thoughts/questions:
When was the helipad installed?
The 8 pointed orange art sculpture at the children’s museum really looks like what inspired the juggling motif.
Could the line ‘reach the foot…’ (minus the word culvert) be referring to the Juneau statue where you would have to reach up to touch his foot?
The repeated use of the words ‘foot’ and ‘distance’ (both twice) seems to inspire the question of “how many feet away is something?”  I’ve already figured that to mean Zeidler Park, but perhaps that is just a small element within a bigger math/geometric problem.  Is there a “circle”…what would be the center…I had projected a value based on triangles and using the estimated distance between spires as x=275 feet and worked out an answer of about 2000-2200 feet to the southwest.  Will go to work on this problem and show my math in detail to see if anyone can help improve on it.

Distance in time, distance in space is curious…wondering about measurements; eg “m” is both minute (distance in time) and metre, or mile (distance in space).
The “Imperial star” of the litany and the “treasure waits” got me thinking about imperial weights and measures…stone, ounce…
“Southern foot” is pretty vague. How close…? Wondered about “SFt”, 5 feet away from something, or would need confirmation via the picture.
The helipad would need to be dated, yep. At the moment I’m quite interested in this general area but have yet to find a visual match to something at this location.
I quite like Juneau, but I couldn’t square it with the proud, tall fifth or see a likely-looking area.

I have a mini theory that seems to hold that the direction of a figure’s gaze figures into the path towards the casque.
When I find the Zeidler park location from perspective triangulation based on Cityhall, I find that the woman’s gaze looks directly south…this is my main reason for searching for confirmers on a path southwards.  Let the record show that I don’t for a moment think the casque is buried at Zeidler.

Ah, OK. I guess that’s very Masquerade.
I have a mini theory that these puzzles are all interconnected but too few have been completed to untangle the relationships.

Thanks for the feedback. Here’s a few more thoughts on the helicopter thing…
Dwarves’ treasure: purple Amethyst,
Imperial star of Germany
The juggler, the millstone, the key…this puzzle is all about things turning.
Early on in the trail, as you cross from West Wisconsin to Lincoln, you pass this eight-bladed sculpture at the Betty Brinn Children’s Museum…
Note the similarities between image 10 and image 5 – the blue-capped figure:
….and the way in which Milwaukee City Hall and the Chicago Water Tower are depicted…
…the Chicago Water Tower benefiting from the addition of four blades.
You’ll see a letter from the country
Of wonderstone’s hearth
On a proud, tall fifth
At its southern foot
The treasure waits.
Let’s say the trail returns down Lincoln after the lion bridge.
Consider this stretch of Lincoln, with the helipad in the middle:
Maybe this could be the “proud, tall fifth”. Lincoln was tall (6’4) and proud.
“I like to see a man proud of the place in which he lives. I like to see a man live so that his place will be proud of him.”
The letter on this tall proud fifth is the H of the helipad.
The curve of the 5 is Water Tower Road, recalling the similarities with image 5 and the Chicago Water Tower. Regarding the month (February), this image corresponds to Aquarius, the Water Carrier.
At its southern foot
The treasure waits.
The location would then be at the base of this figure.
Here’s another possible way to interpret the image in terms of this location:
This is what the area at the base of the 5 looks like.
Here’s an overview comparing the cloak 5 and the Lincoln 5.
Looked at this way, the key might correspond with Villa Terrace and its displays of wrought iron (circled lower left), and the millstone with the helipad. I’m wondering if one of the juggler’s objects indicates the approximate location, but not necessarily the gem. The thrown ball is closest to the southern foot of the 5. On the other hand, “its southern foot” could refer to either the fifth or the letter. If it was the letter, we’d be looking at the helipad/millstone. The treasure weights.

Just another possible angle for this verse:
Maria Mitchell was the first American woman astronomer, and discovered a comet in 1847 which was named after her.
‘At a distance in space from woman’.
Her birthplace was 1 Vestal St, Nantucket – which is now a museum, and the observatory is next door at 3 Vestal St.
‘Harpsichord’ = Virginal = Vestal?
The first congregational church in Nantucket has 92 steps to the top and affords the best views over the town.

It occurs to me an option for the line “silently playing” can be about letters. Letters in words may be silent in some cases. In written form they are essential, but when spoken they are audibly non-existent or “silent”. Playing with a word in such a way as removing non-essentials so that only the sound applicable letters are used might be the key role for HARPSICHORD. Let H P S I be silent. Play with the letters and form the word ORCHARD.

erexere

Aye. If true, we have two options. Lake Park and Plankinkton’s atrium.

I’ve carefully looked at a historic postcard photo of the Grand Staircase and it shows the previous landing of steps before the remodel to be 6 stair steps and the next to be 3. If those steps on the approach are to be ignored, then the total count of ascending steps from top to bottom of the main section is indeed 92 and not 91 as I previously argued.
92 steps is correct.

What if you rearrange the “three” the verse is referring to just a bit, and you start at the art gallery? Something like this (farewell = relating to time; down = relating to space)…
Mitchell Hall —– View the three stories of Mitchell
Kenwood —– As you walk the beating of the world
Farewell —– At a distance in time
Stowell, Hakett, Shepard —– From three who lived there
Downer —– At a distance in space
Marietta —– From woman, with harpsichord Silently playing
Oak Leaf —– Step on nature
Lincoln —– Cast in copper
Grand Stairs —– Ascend the 92 steps
Then… et al. —– After climbing the grand 200

Sure but as far as 3 who lived there…he could be referring to the Mitchell brothers who all resided in Mitchell hall at one point in their life.
OR
as you said it could be Stowell, Hackett, and Shepard…but why those 3 and not James Murray, Leonard J. Farwell, or Jason Downer which are also streets named after famous Milwaukeeans that cross Kenwood in that same area?
I have always wondered why people went right for those names as the 3 who lived there and disregarded the fact that Summit st. or the skipping of it, isn’t accounted for in the verse, as well as the other streets named after famous locals nearby like Downer, the street Mitchell Hall is on.
I always thought we entered the park wrong just walking down Kenwood…I thought there might be something more to how we enter the park which could come into play later on. Some say you don’t need to have everything correct to locate the casque, but I think that overlooking something in the first part might lead to confusion in the 2nd part. So many things are based on numbers in this verse…3 who lived there, Pass 3, Proud tall fifth…. What if we were to be paying attention or counting something as we walk which would help us with the “fifth” later on…just a thought.

FYI
http://murrayhillna.org/aboutus/neighborhood-history/murray-hill-street-names/

decibalnyc

FYI
http://murrayhillna.org/aboutus/neighborhood-history/murray-hill-street-names/

Thus my use of “rearrange the way” the roads are used, rather than speaking to which are famous and which are not.

I’m defiantly interested in what you’re saying, are you just speculating on this or did you have a theory on it. I guess I would need to know what you understand the distance in time / space lines in the verse to mean…
If he wasn’t referring to the Mitchell brothers as the 3 who lived there, then this is well worth trying to understand better.

decibalnyc

I’m defiantly interested in what you’re saying, are you just speculating on this or did you have a theory on it. I guess I would need to know what you understand the distance in time / space lines in the verse to mean…
If he wasn’t referring to the Mitchell brothers as the 3 who lived there, then this is well worth trying to understand better.

I guess I am just saying that this would be a way to read the lines without needed to understand any sort of obscure things. What else is the proposition for “at a distance in time?” I thought “Farewell” might be a distance in time, because it refers to
when
you come and go; and “Downer” seemed to refer to
where
an object is in space. The “three” could be the hall, and none of the lines would then be/need to refer to any other streets.

Look I know…this one in particular drives me insane. I’ve probably stepped on the thing 10 times by now, just in the last 2 weeks. There are so many dual meanings in everything that at some point you have to say…OK this is what I am going with…then when it turns up an empty hole, I go all the way back to the beginning and it’s the same riot all over.
I believe that the “proud tall fifth” is not a tree…and sadly I can’t base that theory off of anything but gut instinct from walking the park 100 times. Even with the GPR this is turning out to be extremely difficult. It seems everything is working against us. Most of the lower park is landfill so the GPR is picking up every brick, bottle, rock, and root that is in the ground. The hill is eroding towards the lake, everything is sliding northeast, major reconstruction has been done to one of the ravines, and the statue, and the other ravines are slowly being overgrown.
If this casque was put at the foot of a large tree, I fear the worst. I will hopefully know more tomorrow after a trip to the historical society.

I see what you’re getting at…reading it more like Chicago, giving you a general location of a place in the city to start. Instead of taking the first half as step by step instructions, maybe he was just getting us to find the corner of Kenwood and LMD and then the specific trail starts.
Kind of like where M and B set in stone and to congress R is known…he was just getting you to the area on Roosevelt where the bowman is which leads you to Lincoln…there is no specific step by step.
Good observation.

decibalnyc

… at some point you have to say…OK this is what I am going with…then when it turns up an empty hole, I go all the way back to the beginning and it’s the same riot all over.

Exactly. I am likely going on a dig tomorrow
It’s what I’ve been all about for the past year or so. I don’t understand why more locals don’t try it. The thorough report of a failure is as valuable as a find.