WhiteRabbit

“Aces high”…?

It sure seems like a hint is to be found here, IMO…
1. Left Illustration – Sitting crossed (across? X?) on top of a three (or between four) black, low straight. Five total, four the same, one different.
2. Right Illustration – Sitting crossed (across? X?) between two (snake eyes) on top of four and threes (four trees?)
Something’s definitely there, but what?
MM

Minotaur_moreno

It sure seems like a hint is to be found here, IMO…
1. Left Illustration – Sitting crossed (across? X?) on top of a three (or between four) black, low straight. Five total, four the same, one different.
2. Right Illustration – Sitting crossed (across? X?) between two (snake eyes) on top of four and threes (four trees?)
Something’s definitely there, but what?
MM

Good eye, sounds like Verse 1
“In the center of four alike
Small, split,
Three winged and slight”

For me it ties in the Twain perfectly…. Celebrated frog jumping contest ( Twain ) attention is also mention, on the counts of betting…again Twain, that’s how contest started.

Hey all,
I found a great clue in the book but not sure how one would come to the conclusion organically. In the field guide to the fair people, the character of the pill grim has a paragraph talking about the Shakers. At first it didn’t mean anything, until a conversation put me looking around Rockerfeller park. Seems the boarder community to the park is named Shaker heights after the same religion.
I am not sure how this connection would be reached on its on. The pill grim is English and Native to New England but that does not help a bit.
Thoughts?

gqchu

Some comedians are more successful than others.
Happy chicken hunting

Henny Youngman for the win, but I don’t think this is who it is.

karleen

Henny Youngman for the win, but I don’t think this is who it is.

LOL! Perfect. You do know that he is in the Field Guide under the Joke Fiend.

Spiritr

the answer for this riddle of the hints in the Japanese book for verse 10 is
“curry chicken”

Zanizbar curry and Rufus’ chicken
https://www.savoryspiceshop.com/zanzibar-curry-powder

no, wrong spice
ok, to be more specific, and to correct some of the incorrect theories above, the Japanese hints still have to applying back to the English Verse, please make sure you understand everything, not just one word or one single line.
and of the mp3 that burnstyle uploaded, the guy actually skipped a lot of words as if he’s trying give out the shortest interpretation possible by speaking it out. He’s absolutely accurate verbally, but not entirely correct on certain word or phrase written in hiragana (the entire book was basically written in hiragana, maybe because of most English words of the book really don’t have a true Japanese meaning back in the 80’s I guess). Nowadays, most modern Japanese will use kanji and katakana to replace those words and for much easier reading.
Of him of Hard word in 3 Vols
From this 1 line, he is not a writer, I guess. Then whoever it is, will be a big problem. For my query, Mr. Preiss answered this riddle. In order to get who this person is at last a wordplay is needed, starting word is chicken, that’s exactly how they say it.
I have both the 5/10 edition and 12/31 edition of the book
I’m fluent in Japanese, and I am ATA certified in both traditional and simplified Chinese, Nihongo, and Hangul for anyone who doubt my professionality, pm me and I’ll email you my certs along with my rates for side jobs.

Spiritr

no, wrong spice
ok, to be more specific, and to correct some of the incorrect theories above, the Japanese hints still have to applying back to the English Verse, please make sure you understand everything, not just one word or one single line.
Of him of Hard word in 3 Vols
From this 1 line, he is not a writer, I guess. Then whoever it is, will be a big problem. For my query, Mr. Preiss answered this riddle. In order to get who this person is at last a wordplay is needed, starting word is chicken, that’s exactly how they say it.
I have both the 5/10 edition and 12/31 edition of the book
I’m fluent in Japanese, and I am ATA certified in both traditional and simplified Chinese, Nihongo, and Hangul for anyone who doubt my professionality, pm me and I’ll email you my certs along with my rates for side jobs.

Spiritr, I completely believe you and your credentials, no proof necessary. You figured out how to put books from Japan in your hand quicker than some TV show put boots on the ground… and I honestly, genuinely, mean no disrespect to anyone on this forum

gManTexas

LOL! Perfect. You do know that he is in the Field Guide under the Joke Fiend.

Yep!

Spiritr wow that’s impressive that you know Japanese. It’s good to know the collective iq on here isn’t too bad. I often wonder if some of the people that are critical of people (not ideas) on this site are posting from juvenile detention centers. Cheers to you. Thanks for some of your thoughts on this. It really settles a few of the Japan questions.

Thank you for the kind words, but I actually bought these books very late, Burnstyle was way better than me on this matter.
and Amazon pissed me off to a point that left me no choice but to “buy-out” the rest in sites not accessible with USA IPs.

Spiritr

should I list it on ebay and test the water?

The Big Mac?
Absolutely!

finally got a chance to find out why my credit card was charged with so many unknown items from Japan, my sneaker bot never stop working….
should I stop it?

Spiritr

finally got a chance to find out why my credit card was charged with so many unknown items from Japan, my sneaker bot never stop working….
should I stop it?

Na….let it keep going, eating into your Big Mac fund….

should I list it on ebay and test the water?

Euhirudinea

About the only place that doesn’t seem to fit the narrative is FoY in St. Augustine, and I’ll be willing to change my stance immediately if/when anybody finds anything inside those walls, or in a place that’s not a park.

Honestly I’m surprised no one has looked at Davenport park. It’s only a couple blocks away.

Unknown

Unknown:
I was only curious if your theory will hold true.

That makes two of us. I reevaluate my theory with each new credible piece of information, including but not limited to empty holes. I think this is the way the puzzle was meant to be solved, with the emphasis on credible evidence, and successful digs.

Euhirudinea

While this is true, it really isn’t that much of a problem if you are using Zip Codes to simply narrow down the search grid. In large cities like Chicago, New York, and San Francisco, if this methodology could be shown to work, it would actually be extremely helpful in finding the park (Step 3) since urban zip code areas are relatively small due to population density. And even if they change slightly over time, it’s easy enough to find the boundaries as they existed in 1982, although I don’t think we even need that level of precision for now. With regard to the park, close enough is close enough.

Yup, it would have been cool. And honestly, I was hopeful, until I saw that this method wasn’t actually viable, because it doesn’t
seem
to work with existing (or older) zips as confirmation of general locations or parks, across all of the puzzles.
But….I’m with you. Are additional, precise, confirmers needed at this point, for general areas or possible parks? (I don’t think so, in my opinion.)
The good news is, because it doesn’t
seem
to work, Montreal, WI with zip code = 54525, is still in play.
;-]

Unknown

Unknown:
I’m surprised no one has looked at Davenport park.

How do you know? The fact is that unless someone is caught digging, or is sloppy about the holes they make, or announces their intentions or exploits, we really don’t know what areas are being explored. In St. Augustine, any of the other casque cities, or any part of the 9.4 million square miles that make up North America.

burnstyle

Honestly I’m surprised no one has looked at Davenport park. It’s only a couple blocks away.

Davenport Park
W San Carlos Ave, St Augustine, FL 32084
3+2+8+4=17…..
Heeeey…….hang on just a gol-darned-minute!

Spiritr

yea, because for the questions that follows, I will need to write a very long paragraph which I’m trying to avoid that’s why I deleted it.

Heh…..extremely convenient.
So, while you’re trying to figure out how to respond, gnaw on this:
The USPS changes Zip Codes, over time, as they draw new postal boundaries based on population.
Any location you look at
might
have had a different Zip Code, back in ’82.
https://youtu.be/1eeHXCxbyn8

Let me show you what is a “identifier” example
Based on the 2 found location
Chicago ; 6+6+5=17; 1+7= 8
Cleveland ; 4+4+1+8=17 ; 1+7= 8

Spiritr

Let me show you what is a “identifier” example
Based on the 2 found location
Chicago ; 6+6+5=17; 1+7= 8
Cleveland ; 4+4+1+8=17 ; 1+7= 8

how does numerology which results in the same answer give you different results?

different result ?
did I just showed how the result were the same?

Unknown

Unknown:
The USPS changes Zip Codes, over time, as they draw new postal boundaries based on population.

While this is true, it really isn’t that much of a problem if you are using Zip Codes to simply narrow down the search grid. In large cities like Chicago, New York, and San Francisco, if this methodology could be shown to work, it would actually be extremely helpful in finding the park (Step 3) since urban zip code areas are relatively small due to population density. And even if they change slightly over time, it’s easy enough to find the boundaries as they existed in 1982, although I don’t think we even need that level of precision for now. With regard to the park, close enough is close enough.

Spiritr

different result ?
did I just showed how the result were the same?

Spiritr

Let me show you what is a “identifier” example
Based on the 2 found location
Chicago ; 6+6+5=
17
; 1+7=
8
Cleveland ; 4+4+1+8=
17
; 1+7=
8

Results of 17 and 8 for both are not different….how does that lead to matching up verse and image for the other puzzles?
And, where’d you get the first set of numbers from…6, 6, 5 and 4, 4, 1, 8?

In response to the guy’s question
I showed him the correct way to find correlations , using simple math.
in order to understand how to match the verses and images, these basic math skills are reqired
those are the results from the 2 finds.
60605 and 44108
you don’t know what these numbers are?

Spiritr

In response to the guy’s question
I showed him the correct way to find correlations , using simple math.
in order to understand how to match the verses and images, these basic math skills are reqired
those are the results from the 2 finds.
60605 and 44108
you don’t know what these numbers are?

Stop trying to be purposefully facetious, obtuse and cryptic…
That correlation is convenient, when you know where the cask is buried….and, may not hold true for the other puzzles. Grant park is actually covered by multiple zip codes, with 60605 being the Congress Plaza area. Grant Park’s ‘official’ zip code listed off of Columbus Ave is 60601, on the north end of the park….with Chicago itself having a gazillion zip codes. The same is true for Cleveland…multiple zip codes. When nobody knew where any of the casques were, finding that as a ‘correlation’ was virtually impossible, making it not viable as a means to solve any of these puzzles.
So now, show how that works for the other puzzles, for casque that haven’t been found….show the exact , correct zip code that leads to the park or general area where a casque is buried for each, using your correlation…

Unknown

Unknown:
Grant park is actually covered by multiple zip codes

Unknown

Unknown:
So now, show how that works for the other puzzles, for casque that haven’t been found….show the exact

do you know how the “Posts” work?
yea, but only one contains the actual casque.
you mean just tell you all the postal codes ?
eventually I will….but not right now.

Spiritr

do you know how the “Posts” work?
yea, but only one contains the actual casque.
you mean just tell you all the postal codes ?
eventually I will….but not right now.

Once again, you edited your post.
You originally wrote , at the end, ‘I tried’.
So once again, your edited response is convenient.
‘I’m not telling, right now.’
Na….you haven’t tried.
Do it for….Boston.
Or, New Orleans…..New York/Brooklyn…..GGP…..etc…..good luck….
(This is my edit.)

Spiritr

fine, try with 02141

And, here we go with spiritr posting….then immediately deleting his post….again.
Sorry buddy, but, I caught it:
Na….your other examples used two steps.
That’s not a correlation that matches those other examples.

LOL, because I am lazy and I really don’t like writing essays.
so until I’m done with my work and everything and I have more time, I will.

Spiritr

LOL, because I am lazy and I really don’t like writing essays.

“fine, try with 02141” isn’t an essay…..it’s three words followed by a zip code.
And, that zip code leads across the river into East Cambridge….with nothing else pointing to or verifying anything in that general area as a possibility.
Try New Orleans…..look up Armstrong Park….Jackson Square…..Lafayette Square….Duncan Plaza….
Good luck.

yea, because for the questions that follows, I will need to write a very long paragraph which I’m trying to avoid that’s why I deleted it.

Unknown

Unknown:
What if they are not all in parks?

This is akin to asking what if they are not in the cities that we have already identified as being likely. With all due respect, the time to abandon a theory is when you find compelling evidence that the theory is no longer is valid. And for now, the best evidence we have is that Preiss buried these things in easily identifiable, easily accessible public spaces i.e. parks. This holds true for the two found casques and for most of the places we seem to think he is directing us to in other cities (Hermann Park, Lake Park, Golden Gate Park [or Leigon of Honor et. al.], Fort Raleigh, etc.). About the only place that doesn’t seem to fit the narrative is FoY in St. Augustine, and I’ll be willing to change my stance immediately if/when anybody finds anything inside those walls, or in a place that’s not a park.

the truth is, we know a little, very little, from his daughters, daddy told them there’s one in NY.
and…someone claimed BP replied to his/her email saying there is one in Houston.
and from multiple interviews we know there’s 1, or at least 1 in Canada.
so that leaves us at least 9 states and cities .
History has proven, fully understanding the correct meaning of the ciphers and images is unnecessary

I have both a beat up original and the 2015 iBooks hard cover version. The only major difference in the text that I see is on page 219 “The Treasure” where they updated the contact info and added a statement about the death of Preiss. They were also reaching out to the finders of the Cleveland and Chicago casques.
Other than that, it looks pretty much the same.

maltedfalcon

If you look closely what you will see is they say the text in the books is the same.

Correct. I asked the publisher if they would consider printing the paintings, as long as they could make good copies. I will see……..

BINGO

I have both a beat up original and the 2015 iBooks hard cover version. The only major difference in the text that I see is on page 219 “The Treasure” where they updated the contact info and added a statement about the death of Preiss. They were also reaching out to the finders of the Cleveland and Chicago casques.
Other than that, it looks pretty much the same.

That is what the publisher said.

maltedfalcon

If you look closely what you will see is they say the text in the books is the same.

Ah yes, I did get confused. Hopefully my post that you quoted will help others from not doing the same and buying the book for the images

Reading / laughing thru the posts you guys wrote, I find it really interesting the way most of you think/sees in the “Chinese”, and our history. (I’m native Chinese.)
I can assure you that whatever you saw in those articles were definitely misleading and most of the translation were…..LOL

Spiritr

Reading / laughing thru the posts you guys wrote, I find it really interesting the way most of you think/sees in the “Chinese”, and our history. (I’m native Chinese.)
I can assure you that whatever you saw in those articles were definitely misleading and most of the translation were…..LOL

front cover and back cover if you can!

Very interesting find.
I wonder if any new insight can be found in the way it may have been translated. Some of the word play may not make sense in a different language. (Not that the English version is crystal clear!)

The Asian translation of two twenty two is 2 20 2 in that image. Was that an original from the publisher in 1981 or a reprint or a Chinese knock off I wonder… the racetrack address 222 in Montreal unaffected by this but other theories might be.

Goldengate

It’s actually a Japanese translation. I believe this is an original copy published in 1982. The person who has it lives in Japan, but is really jazzed about the hunt. She doesn’t plan on coming here to dig (yet), but like us all, the sense of imagination, mystery and adventure has drawn her in and she loves how it evokes the childhood wonder we all shared in that there are real magical mysteries in this world and if you search hard enough… you just may find them.

That is awesome, I had no idea there were translations!

But it would make sense, given the premise of the book is about immigration.

Also that last page looks like Spanish

Egbert

I think you’ve almost got it. The person who Burnstyle had on audio translating this gave a long explanation that it would involve game playing with words. So,
Ch………ickens
Charles Dickens

thats not the primary ref.
theres a hint at coit tower about the primary ref

forest_blight

Here are two scans created under identical conditions (600dpi). On the left is the original American edition; on the right is the Japanese edition. They have equally lousy quality, and appear to use the same printing technique. Due to the size difference, the original is still a little better than the Japanese.

In the Japanese book, the hidden images in the ‘sky’ are much more visible.
https://imgur.com/a/EKoBfNu

karleen — that’s probably due to things such as a different printing press, process, application of inks, choice of inks, etc. To me, it seems like the turrets/ building is also a darker blue….which would also occur because of the differences.
Either way, I’m guessing you think those areas depict specific ‘things’, instead of them just being additional representations of clouds…?
(Second from the right looks like an ostrich to me….but…that would be silly, so it can’t be that.
. I’d rather hear your take on those areas….)

Mister EZ

karleen
(Second from the right looks like an ostrich to me….but…that would be silly, so it can’t be that.
. I’d rather hear your take on those areas….)

EZ – I have so much to say about it and I will in my next video (which is taking a really long time to finish!)

Kang

In reading this article
http://kspot.org/trove/news.clippings/plain.dealer.121982.pdf
Posted by forest-blight here (thank you)
viewtopic.php?f=32&t=7350&p=153437#p153429
Seems to shed more light on who wrote what in the book.
Preiss is named as co-author.
“The first third of the book is a straight telling of the saga of the Fair People…”
“…Preiss hired Sean Kelly and Ted Mann of the National Lampoon to write two-thirds of the book…”
“…the last two-thirds of the book is a field-spotter’s guide…”I felt”, says Preiss “that we had to tell the story straight at the beginning, but the book as a whole would be easier to swallow if it were funny.”
So if accurate, and Kelly and Mann were the main writers of the Field Guide (guided by Preiss) and as co-author it is reasonable to infer that Preiss write the opening narratives.

Hi Kang, it’s Leigh Ann. I don’t usually post here so I’m not sure if it’s going to work, but regarding your last sentence above…YEP!

There is another interview with Kelly which says the field guide was written first, and byron packaged a treasure hunt around it.
I’m not sure which one to believe.

burnstyle

There is another interview with Kelly which says the field guide was written first, and byron packaged a treasure hunt around it. I’m not sure which one to believe.

(Unless I misunderstand you, which is possible) Both of those statements could be true, rather than believing one or the other. I was more commenting on seeing if we can figure out who wrote what (specifically if BP wrote the opening narratives) rather than which section was written earlier or later.

From what I’ve been told, this is the impression I have:
Sean and Ted wrote a book (the guide)and couldnt sell it, byron packaged a treasure hunt around it (byron wrote everything before the guide) and sold it to bantam.
Somewhere in the middle of that byron worked closely with Sean and Ted on aspects of what they had written. He could have added new stuff, or changed theirs, or just edited. I dont know.
But even though he didnt write the back of the book, he had a hand in it. If that makes sense.

burnstyle

From what I’ve been told, this is the impression I have:
Sean and Ted wrote a book (the guide)and couldnt sell it,

Are you talking about the Canadian article where Sean says he always wanted to write a book on fairies?

GoldenMartyr

Are you talking about the Canadian article where Sean says he always wanted to write a book on fairies?

I mean, that’s not ALL I am referring to… but it’s part of it.
Here’s one of the articles.
https://12treasures.com/wp-content/uplo … 112082.jpg

I read it as an idea Sean had not something he had already written. I could be misinterpreting though.

Kang i would like to see you mach your part2 with Litany of the Jewels (Pages 20 & 21)

lost

Kang i would like to see you mach your part2 with Litany of the Jewels (Pages 20 & 21)

The info the Litany gives us is well established so I didn’t want to rehash it (I’m long-winded enough Lol). The LOTJ matches Fair Folk/Immigration group to jewel – and the jewel then matches to a painting by which is shown. But to answer your question, when meshed with Part II (adding the wrinkle that some of the squabble/conflict stories are meant to warn us off certain immigration to city matches), Preiss would appear to be laying out the following info for us:
Image# – Jewel (LTOJ & Image) – Immigration (LOTJ) – Immigration (Vanishing/Passage) – City/Region (Vanishing/Passage)
1 – Pearl – China/Cathay – N/A – – N/A
2 – Diamond – Africa – Africa – East Coast city w slavery link (Charleston)
3 – Garnet – England – England – Roanoke
4 – Aquamarine – Greece – N/A – N/A
5 – Emerald – Ireland/Scotland – Ireland/Scotland –
** Not Boston**
6 – Sapphire – Spain/Iberia – Spain – Florida (w strong hints at N Florida/St. Augustine/FOY)
7 – Turquoise – France – N/A –
** Not Canada/Quebec/Montreal **
8 – Ruby – Araby – Araby – Texas/Houston/Sugar Land
9 – Opal – Netherlands – Netherlands –
** Not NYC **
but Quebec/Montreal
10 – Amethyst – Germany – N/A – N/A
11 – Peridot – Italy – Italy –
** Not NYC/NJ **
12 – Topaz – Russia etc. – Russia etc. – NYS place associated w Hudson River / NYC
Boston/Massachusetts seems to be referenced as a puzzle city, with no clear Immigration link. And The Vanishing tells that only the strongest of the Fair Folk made the journey all the way to the Great Western Sea/SF. If correct, that’s quite a lot of pieces.
(Note that the folks here who put in the work to riddle out the currently accepted matches are to be admired. Hindsight is easy. This exercise is all about figuring out how the puzzles work. How he put them together. Figure out what he was thinking of – what resources and traditions he used. Because that can only help all of us. And if any new clues/thoughts come of it – all the better).
There are more clues in the Litany. The second line of each 2-line immigrant group often/always contains an additional puzzle clue. I think I know a few, but others here will definitely know more of them than me.
For anyone who’s following along and thinks these interpretations are not out of bounds, more possible puzzle level clues will be in store in the next/final installment.

Good work Kang, thanks for the summaries.

Nice work Kang. Are you going to do something about the fair people? That would be very interesting to break down.

whats it say on the chicago painting scrawled across it?, that would seem to cover up potential clues lol.

To continue where I left off yesterday,
for 100% accuracy translation of the last line. There are many different ways to translate it, because it’s somewhat riddleish as well…in Japanese.
I’ll demonstrate and show you all the meaning of that specific line by putting a / between every word or phrase possible here:
この/人物に/たど/りつく/ために/ことば/遊びを/しなさい, スタートは/chicken/です, との/ことでした.
word per word verbally of this line would be:
kono jinbutsu ni tadoritsuku tame ni kotoba asobimo shinasai, sutatowa chicken desu, tono koto deshita
what’s tricky about this line is,1 kanji-“
人物
“, 1 katakana- “
遊
“, and the rest are all in hiragana, which is very smart especially when he’s trying to play this game with the words.
to help better understand, I’ll use the word “
China
” “
中国
(kanji)” as example, it’s a name of a country, but if you de-caplitaze the C, “
china
” “
チャイナ
(hiragana)” will translate to porcelain or ceramic. And the translator basically de-caps everything.
But one thing is for certain, from the previous line, Mr.Preiss told him the answer for the riddle already, so he used
遊びをしなさい
at the end, it’s like saying “
let’s play a game
” and he’s the host of the game kinda tone.
スタートはchickenです
is also tricky, the phrase “
スタート
” is the pronunciation of the English word
“Start”
, To be honest, nobody talks like that, pronunciation were mainly uses for kids in pre-school in Japan. And pay attention to this “
ー
“, because it’s a pronunciation, instead of a solid word, it could be a hyphen, for anyone who don’t know what I’m talking about, just take a look at the last line of page 244 of the Japanese book.
If this “
ー
” was a hyphen, then that’s a complete different word we’re looking at here, it’s “
スタ トは
” meaning “
The status is
” , so to make sure my translation was correct, I have no choice but follow the book and went with “
starts with
“
the final section of this line is “
とのことでした
” , verbally speaking, the meaning is “
that’s exactly how they say it
” , it can easily be interpreted as “
it’s exactly what it is
” , but this “
との
” actually have a meaning if you seperate it from the whole line, the “
の
” means “
‘s
“, but this “
と
“, can be used as a pronoun, like “him” or “her”, but more precise, a very “
Noble
” person. This “
と
” can also be used as a adjective as well, it could mean “
Statue
“, or anything made out of rocks.
And that’s my 100% accurate translation of that last line.

clever stuff. sounds right to me.
i wonder if there is a chinese version or french version, considering this and that at least two puzzles are located in areas where people speak french.

oh right, I’ve never seen people talks about this, what language do people speaks in Montreal….

Spiritr

oh right, I’ve never seen people talks about this, what language do people speaks in Montreal….

They speak French and English (with a French-Canadian accent).

Spiritr

oh right, I’ve never seen people talks about this, what language do people speaks in Montreal….

everyone speaks english, but most people speak french in quebec generally. mtl has a lot of transplants so there are a lot of people who only speak english.

Goldengate

Burnstyle posted this to the FB group — it’s as hilarious as it is genius.
Considering the fact that the book was actually written by two Lampoon writers, this fits perfectly within that spirit. Great work.

I think I might have found the original post:
viewtopic.php?f=32&t=759&start=150#p58918

Way to go gMan!!

The late great Paul Skoda.

Holy mackerel.
I just finished listening to the audio last night and I was sitting on the edge of my seat the entire time. I am blown away. I am completely shocked BP would give the Japanese translator so much information. Some hypotheses have been confirmed, and some destroyed!
Is there a chance you guys will be posting scans of any of these pages? I would like to show them to some native Japanese speakers I know to get a flew clarifications.

Euhirudinea

How do you know? .

The park had a library built on top of it in 1985. All of the historical records/images/plans… everything about the park is housed in the historical society. No one ever opens that file.

Unknown

Unknown:
No one ever opens that file.

I’m not surprised. My guess is that very few people are actually going to the trouble of doing research “on site”, preferring the ease and convenience of Google and other internet tools. Obviously, these tools have their limitations, especially for a puzzle that Preiss intended to be resolved by getting people into the parks and walking around. But unless you happen to live in a casque city (or know someone who does), or are willing to travel, “armchairing”, despite its limitations, is the only practical thing to do.

I’ve looked into the plan and the park’s surrounding, I don’t think anything was buried there, because it lacks one very important element, “pattern”.

karleen

I think riddle is different from a rhyme. I think this hint is almost as difficult as the line, itself.

In the link Karleen posted back on p.17 or 18 it mentions the first use of “why did the chicken cross the road” was in the Knickerbocker publication in New York in the 19th century. (sorry, the board wouldn’t let me attach a screenshot). I’m not sure if this is what Karleen was trying to point to in the link, but it sure is an interesting piece of chicken trivia, lol.

Goldengate

Surprised there hasn’t been spirited discussion about this part of the translation. I think it’s possibly one of the most critical takeaways in terms of confirming or denying commonly held beliefs about verse to image pairings. It could confirm what we believe… or be a complete game changer.

Moving this conversation from verse 5 to here…
I’ve spent some time playing around with them. Haven’t made any solid connection. There are a total of 39 numbers in the 12 verses; 29 cardinal numbers (1, 2, 3,..) & 10 ordinal numbers (1st, 2nd, 3rd,…). The ordinal numbers are spelled out in the verses though. I started with just using the cardinal numbers. Then I broke apart the multi-digit numbers into there basic form, i.e. 1913 to 1, 9, 1, 3, etc… Now I was only looking at single digit numbers 0-9. I did find a bit of a coincidence, but again, couldn’t find a link to anything:
The number 0 is used 6 times and the number 6 is used 0 times.
The number 1 is used 8 times and the number 8 is used 1 time.
The number 3 is used 9 times and the number 9 is used 3 times.
The number 2 is used 12 times.
Numbers 4, 5, & 7… nothing of note.
I’ve looked at trying to find other numbers in the images, hands on the clocks (if there were any), longitude/latitude numbers,… Yet just another puzzle within the puzzle. Not sure if we are supposed to literally combine all of the numbers from all of the verses at once, then find the matching images or if the corresponding verse has a number / numbers that you will find in the image. Verse 9 has no cardinal numbers only the ordinal number “first.”
Curious to know what work others have done regarding this clue.

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Curious to know what work others have done regarding this clue.

Obviously the numbers in the Images are more compelling, and would be much more helpful to someone who was trying to solve this puzzle (or the first few steps) remotely. Having said that, if you can get to Houston, then 982 would be very compelling evidence that you were in the right place, in the same way that 92 would help you confirm Milwaukee, and 1913 would help you confirm Charleston. Unfortunately, the clue set, such as it is, pretty much disappears after those three examples, at least as far as I’ve been able to determine, and that’s usually a big red flag for me.