Fri Aug 04, 2006 12:25 am
Nice round window….I know, it doesnt have the moon/stars a la P but hey, it is after all Moon Gate
Fri Aug 04, 2006 3:53 am
Image 9 / Verse 2 (Forest Park, St. Louis)
Ya know, I started this lion theme just to be funny, but now I’ve got to wonder… I know lions are iconic when it comes to statuary and architecture and so forth, but the sheer number of them at key sites in this hunt surely defies the odds. But a lion theme does not make sense in the context of the book (fairies, immigration, etc.). An odd coincidence?
Fri Aug 25, 2006 4:41 am
Image 7 (City Park, New Orleans)
Fri Jun 20, 2014 3:22 pm
Remember our favorite landscape architect? There might be something familiar on television this weekend:
“Frederick Law Olmsted: Designing America”
This documentary premieres on PBS this weekend (Friday 9pm but probably runs at other times on your local affiliate stations)
Fri Mar 10, 2006 1:31 pm
One casque was located in Chicago (Nicknamed the second city)
One casque was located in Cleveland ( ??)
One casque is probably in Houston (Second largest city in Texas)
And if I can switch my argument and feed into my detractors
and decide to look at Pimlico as opposed to Churchill Downs
(It would be the second race of the triple crown)
Others, or is this just making the facts fit the crime?
Fri Mar 10, 2006 2:30 pm
Trohn
One casque is probably in Houston (Second largest city in Texas)
Actually, Houston is the largest city in TX. FWIW, I think if you combined Dallas & Fort Worth, they’d still be smaller than Houston.
Fri Mar 10, 2006 2:32 pm
Fri Mar 10, 2006 3:12 pm
Fri Mar 10, 2006 4:28 pm
is the back cover of my atals.
The one that shows general distances between
major citites within the US.
All of our target cities should be represented by
a dot within a circle. While this only narrows it down
to about 200, I think maybe this guide
would helps us pin point a Canadian city
because we know one casque is buried north of the border.
As a final general thought along this, a century of freedom
from May 1913 was in fact close to the end of the War of 1812
which does have monuments in a few of these Canadian cities
represented. If this topic should have been placed elsewhere,
just consider me disorganized.
Fri Nov 10, 2006 2:19 pm
After thinking about this over the past day or so, I have to say that I completely agree with what Intrigued said on the first page of this topic…I think there is a “bigger picture” here than just these 12 puzzles we are dealing with, and I believe that there is (or was, at one time) a bigger treasure to be found. There are three reasons why I feel this way.
Number 1: The title of the book. What exactly is the “secret”? It doesn’t really make sense in the context of these puzzles. We are told that each picture/verse will lead to a jewel, so that isn’t really a secret. The answer to each of these puzzles is unknown, but then I would think that the word “secrets” (more than one, with an “s”) would be more appropriate if that was the reasoning for the title of the book. I don’t think that BP would go through all the trouble of writing this magnificent book, only to give it some off-the-top-of-his-head title that doesn’t really make sense. So…what exactly is this solitary “secret”? In my honest opinion, it’s the fact that these puzzles somehow add up to lead us to an even bigger treasure. Figuring out just how they add up is the big secret.
Number 2: The placement of the chosen cities. More specifically, two of these cities. With the entire continental U.S. and Canada at his disposal, why on earth would BP bury a treasure in Chicago and then bury another one in Milwaukee…less than TWO HOURS away from each other? This has always felt somehow “off” to me, like there was a reason he *had* to bury them in these spots. Are the placements of the casks a key to unlocking the final secret?
Number 3: The unused clues in the pictures, and recurring themes. There are a lot of recurring themes in both the pictures and the locations where the casks are. There are the blue auras and the flower/jewelry connections in the paintings, the fact that time figures into a lot of the paintings, and others. And there are these things that keep popping up in the locations, like tigers/lions or Abraham Lincoln. It just feels to me like these things are there for a specific reason, but there are like partial components to a code that hasn’t been broken yet. Along these lines, there is something about the lion picture (the one with all the numbers in its mane) that makes me wonder if this isn’t very important to the big picture, much like the “Issac Newton” picture was to “Masquerade”.
And, even though I could be totally wrong about this (and probably am), it almost feels to me like I remember reading somewhere, all those years ago when the puzzle first came out, that there WAS some sort of bigger prize to be found. Maybe I am confusing it with some other puzzle-type book, but I can’t be sure. I was 12 when this book first came out, and I was always fascinated with these things (i.e. “Masquerade”, “Treasure: ISOTGH”, and many others, including some jigsaw puzzle/book puzzle from the late 70’s or early 80’s that nobody else remembers).
Is it possible that there was something written on all the casks/keys that could be put together to lead the way to a final destination, or that the cities with casks could somehow be connected (either geographically or thematically) to point the way to a big prize?
And, most importantly, *IS* there even a bigger prize to be found? Is it buried somewhere, or was it some answer to a riddle that we had to contact BP with in order to win it?
In my heart, I feel like there was something bigger. Just like the twelve months add up to make a year, I think these twelve pictures added up to make something bigger than just themselves.
But with the passing of time, I think that this is most likely one secret that will never be revealed.
Any thoughts and or/opinions?
Mon Apr 03, 2006 10:31 pm
Mon Aug 14, 2006 11:06 pm
Grant Park had none. Unless you’d like to locate cities with World Fairs and make that a connection, without actually tying to where the exact location of the casque is. (the 67 in image nine does not relate to this thread, but maybe significant for that one solve)
edit: Jackson Park=Olmsted. Busy guy.
Mon Aug 14, 2006 4:50 pm
Mon Jul 31, 2006 12:50 pm
Mon Jul 31, 2006 1:04 pm
Sat Aug 05, 2006 2:16 am
Just West of the Preservation Hall.
Sat Mar 11, 2006 11:14 pm
we have one casque buried
in Canada.. somewhere…
My leanings are on P12.
And V9.
Sat Mar 11, 2006 2:35 pm
Grant Park
Houston Zoo
Churchilll Downs
who was the Cleveland Memorial for??
Sat Mar 11, 2006 2:44 pm
Sat Mar 11, 2006 7:15 am
http://portfocus.com/united_states_america/index.html
now consider these:
– Chicago (found)
– Cleveland (found)
– Houston (as good as confirmed)
– Milwuakee (pretty darned solid)
– Boston (seems pretty obvious for V3)
– New Orleans (pretty darned solid)
– San Francisco (P1 screams SF)
– Charleston (P2 solid)
that is 8 of the 12 casques. The only one that bothers me is V11 – seems so obviously to be pointing to Manteo/Roanoke Island NC but that is not a port city. The nearest port cities in NC are Morehead City & Willmington (both quite far down the coast). Traveling up the coast you come to Norfolk VA. Could we be wrong on the Wrights? I highly doubt it. The Ports seem too present to merely be coincidental as well tho….
what to do?
Sat Mar 11, 2006 7:50 pm
fox
The only one that bothers me is V11 – seems so obviously to be pointing to Manteo/Roanoke Island NC but that is not a port city.
I think you missed my point with the “port city” theme. It’s not ports as in import/export trade centers, but ports of entry for *imigrants*, places where people (and The People) entered this continent. Roanoke was practically the first point of entry for European settlers (not explorers), it is famous specifically as a colony, and thus fits the theme perfectly. Similarly, Salt Lake City was founded by a group of people looking to start a new settlement.
Sat Mar 11, 2006 8:00 pm
Yes indeed, both S.A. & Roanoke sure do fit after all.
I really believe that this theory was intended by BP…which leaves out anywhere in KY Mr. Trohn. But by all means, keep plugging away. It will make your find that more enjoyable when I add in a big I Told You So with pix of the casque.
Sat Mar 11, 2006 8:06 pm
Trohn
Or how about this theme…
Grant Park
Houston Zoo
Churchilll Downs
who was the Cleveland Memorial for??
FOUND
– Chicago IL = Grant Park
– Cleveland OH = Greek Cultural Gardens
DARN GOOD LEADS
– Houston TX = Herman Park
FAIRLY SOLID IDEAS
– P1 = San Francisco – likely in Golden Gate Park
– P2 = Charleston SC
– P6 = still like FL – Maybe St. Augustine?
– P7 = New Orleans LA
– P10 = Milwaukee WI
– P12 = NYNY ?
– V3 = Boston MA
– V11 = Roanoke VA
* too bad we can’t nail a down a P for either of these and make life a whole lot easier for us.
Sat Mar 11, 2006 9:15 pm
DARN GOOD LEADS
into
DARN NEAR CERTAIN
. V11 goes with P3; if I had a reputation, I would stake it on it (“the land near the window”).
As for P1, I still think the evidence for Golden Gate Park is flimsy. My money is on the Coit Tower area. Don’t forget the cool finds during Voltaire’s excursion.
Sun Jul 30, 2006 3:27 am
Image 2 (Charleston):
Image 3 (Elizabethan Gardens):
Image 4 (Grecian/Italian Cultural Gardens):
Image 5 (Chicago Art Institute):
Image 8 (Houston Children’s Zoo):
Image 9 / Verse 2 (Forest Park, St. Louis):
Image 10 (Milwaukee, Lion Bridge):
Image 11 (Boston Public Library):
Hmmm…
Sun Jul 30, 2006 7:52 am
Sun Jun 22, 2014 7:27 am
nothing sticks out on 1st view, will watch a couple more Xs
http://video.pbs.org/video/2365197253/
Thu Apr 06, 2006 1:03 pm
landscaping designed by Federick Law Olmstead.
Just south of Fort Moultrie I believe.
Thu Aug 03, 2006 10:13 pm
kingwilson
Has anyone considered World Fairs??! In the United States? For the location cities?
I know there was not one in cleveland, but I’ve noticed a bit of pattern with some of the other cities.
I’ve thought about this as a theme, especially given the potential pun of the “Fair Folk.”
The 1936-37 Great Lakes Expo was in Cleveland; some people consider it a world fair.
If this is a theme, it might point to Montreal as a Canadian location.
Thu Aug 03, 2006 3:34 am
http://www.fact.org/wfc2006/hotel/index.htm
World Fantasy Convention 2006, Austin Tx, November 2-5
Artist Guest of Honor:Â John Jude Palencar
I’m thinking of going. If we get a quorum, we need to meet.
Here’s a blurb:
John Jude Palencar
Artist and illustrator, John Jude Palencar, is known throughout the world for his distinctive, ethereal style and unique conceptualization. For more than 25 years he has received honors for his contributions to the field of illustration including Gold and Silver Medals from the Society of Illustrators, two Gold Book Awards from Spectrum, and Best Hardcover and two best Paperback Awards from the Association of Science Fiction and Fantasy Artists for three consecutive years.
His work has appeared on hundreds of book covers in over thirty countries. Renowned authors, H.P. Lovecraft, Ursula LeGuin, Marion Zimmer Bradley, Octavia Butler, Stephen King, Charles deLint and Christopher Paolini are but a few. TIME Magazine, Smithsonian Magazine, National Geographic Magazine and Television, and the Philadelphia Opera have employed his artistic talents for their publications and productions. Most recently, his cover paintings for Eragon and Eldest, by Christopher Paolini, has appeared on the New York Times Childrens Best Seller List for the past year. An influence on the young prolific author, Christopher Paolini named Eragon’s birthplace; “Palancar Valley” after John Jude (see chapter three – Eragon).
He has been a featured artist in IDEA Magazine in Japan and enjoys an on-going artist-in-residence program in County Kerry, Ireland. There, his paintings were included in a special exhibition entitled, “Images of Ireland”, held at the National Museum in Dublin. He also donated his work to raise funds for the Cill Rialaig Art Project, an international artistÕs retreat at the 6th Annual Ambassador’s Golf Classic held in Waterville, County Kerry, Ireland.
Besides being an active artist and illustrator, he has served on the juries of several international art competitions.
His work was also featured in an exhibition entitled, “As Seen From Ohio: Nine Illustrators”, at the Centro Cultural Recoleta in Argentina, The Spectrum Retrospective Exhibition held at The Society of Illustrators Museum of American Illustration in New York city and a recent solo exhibit at the Laguna College of Art & Design in Laguna Beach, CA.. John Jude also has participated in dozens of group exhibitions at colleges and universities throughout the country.
His paintings are in numerous corporate and private collections in the United States and abroad.
For more information on the artist please visit:
www.johnjudepalencar.com
A 2007 calendar of John’s work will be available exclusively from Barnes & Noble as a well as a book titled: Origins – The Art of John Jude Palencar published by Underwood Books (available late 2006).
wilhouse
Thu Aug 03, 2006 3:49 am
Wilhouse – if you go, please ask him if we will ever be able to purchase prints of the 12 paintings from
The Secret
.
Thu Aug 03, 2006 5:05 pm
I know there was not one in cleveland, but I’ve noticed a bit of pattern with some of the other cities.
Thu Aug 03, 2006 5:11 am
The Secret
They would look great next to my framed 1997 cover of the Miami Herald from the annual Miami Herald Tropic Hunt put on by Dave Berry (my wife & I had a blast) and my framed
A Fairy Story
by Stephen Parkes. One day I will add illustrations of
A Treasures Trove
as well as countless other hunts I have laying around.
The more the merrier
Thu Aug 03, 2006 7:39 pm
Tue Apr 04, 2006 11:09 am
http://www.architectureweek.com/2005/0921/news_1-1.html
My belief for V7/P7
Tue Apr 04, 2006 12:02 am
wilhouse
Tue Apr 04, 2006 12:13 am
of Louisville, but not Churchill Downs proper.
F.L.O. designed Prospect Park in Brooklyn,
as well as Central Park – which we are not considering.
Washington DC is an obvious.
Fairmont Park in Philadephia is an Olmstead,
which buffets the Art Musuem, an extensive collection
of Armor.
Tue Apr 04, 2006 3:33 pm
has information about The Master List of Design Projects of the Olmsted Firm, 1857-1950
by Charles E. Beveridge and Carolyn F. Hoffman.
Tue Apr 04, 2006 3:45 pm
www.olmsted.org
with links to “Find an Omsted Park Design in Your Area” and then to “Olmsted Research Guide Online” or ORGO. We can plug in specific cities. For example, I found St. Louis: Forest Park there. (OK, some hopeful thinking on my part.)
Tue Aug 01, 2006 4:19 am
fox
If I told you I wasnt intrigued, I’d be lion
haha Fox ya had to go there!
these lion pictures are soo pretty