In the time surrounding 1982, information was garnered from TV, maps, books…from libraries, magazines and literature and history books (usually read in school.) There really was no internet…just “bulletin boards”… private forums.Recognition of landmarks came from TV, travel and photographs. These are the things that would have been available to the first treasure hunters who read Byron’s book in 1982.

forest_blight

I will buy a bottle of wine for the next person to unearth a casque.

Hi. Trying to get permission to post and the admin doesn’t seem to be approving them. Some threads I’m interested are not active. I live in Milwaukee (15 minutes from lake park) and wanted to offer to take updated picture etc. I visited lake park suspected location of image 10/ verse 8 today. I think the statute of general wolcott is important. He is wearing a cloak. Anyway if anyone wants to chat let me know.

erexere

Except for the line starting with T, it looks like Tolkien had a sense of humor with an acrostic: ANTDFART.

(off-topic fills the time)
Except that the British English doesn’t use the word ‘fart’ and there was probably even less cross-pollination with American English back then. (When they pass gas, they ‘trumpet’, thus our farts are their trumps.)

Except for the line starting with T, it looks like Tolkien had a sense of humor with an acrostic: ANTDFART.
All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost;
The old that is strong does not wither,
Deep roots are not reached by the frost.
From the ashes a fire shall be woken,
A light from the shadows shall spring;
Renewed shall be blade that was broken,
The crownless again shall be king.

Egbert

Interestingly, the key has a small metal rod in it, so perhaps it can be detected with a strong metal detector.

which was the post that made me test it
again outside of 6″ or so it did not register

fox i agree city first then park, i cant seem to find a presidents connect for
N.O. or houston
slappy i think the finder of the cleve  casque said it was roosevelt park

I was wondering if there might be a semi-linear path, like BP taking you on a tour…
Has anyone mapped out the found clues to the two that were found?
I was thinking about this when looking at some of the clues relating to the Montreal theory and Boston

yes in the two found instance
you travel several miles along a road without turning from an iconic image in the painting.
Then you turn left and left again to reach the destination…

Where they fairly even intervals, or randomly spaced?

Eg, are you going to contact them regarding the secret? my guess is that that is not part of the chapter 7, but it’d be interesting to find out.
wilhouse

I guess JJP would not have to talk to the parks but all that he does know should be written down and put in a safedeposit box to be accessed should he dies or becomes incapacitated. If he dies and know record of what he knows it could be impossible to find any of the casques.

No offense meant Scott, but why?  JJP already did what he was paid for.  What you are descibing is a nice thought.  HOWEVER, look at it from his point of view?  I know pretty much how he would feel.  I was once contacted by someone I edited a film for asking for me for a scene we had cut out and wanted it back, two years later.  At that point it was long gone from my own archives.  I got frustrated with the contact as it got repeated several times, and I was even requested to “recut it exactly like it once was”, and this contact WAS from a previous employer and I acted as proffessional as I could.  I was on a new project and all my resources were tapped.  Turn that about from this angle:  Had someone contacted me who was a fan of that work and asked for “the missing scene” I would have been polite and perhaps used a VERY valid answer of copyright infringment.  Any fan would hopefully understand and not come back again.  However if repeated from the same person or persons it would really get under my skin.  It would be SIMPLY unproffessional on my end to leak anything.
Now in the case of JJP it’s a little different, but not much.  If BP were alive and said “I forgot something please refresh my memory” JJP would PROBABLY help him if he could.  Answering our questions has already been given an answer that should be respected of “I can’t.”  I think setting up a contingency on a project that he contributed to 25 years ago and is not longer seeking revenue from is asking an AWFUL LOT.  This wasn’t his baby, it was BP’s.  He’s already said that he considers his contract still on going to not say anything.  He already said that he destroyed anything from BP with clues.  That answer should be enough.
Once all 12 have been located, asking JJP if we missed any clues he just might have a lot of fun answering just for the fun of it, and only if he wanted to.  That choice should be up to him, and only once they have all been found.  Who knows maybe he will have some fun insight like “I hid this item which isn’t a clue because it meant something to me.”  There might be some fun in it.
Just like all of us he works for a living, and his paintings are his work. We need to be respectful of those boundaries.

WhiteRabbit

Lol…c’est moi. (Four21thrasher has trounced that Boston theory though.)

why is nobody helping me advance?

What more do you need?  I figure you will find everything fits perfectly once you show up to the site with your book and shovel…and a nice shrubbery that you can plant as if you’re a well meaning park caring person.

erexere

What more do you need?  I figure you will find everything fits perfectly once you show up to the site with your book and shovel…and a nice shrubbery that you can plant as if you’re a well meaning park caring person.

I am not so convinced.
Not finding the a block pattern in the wall that matches the image was discouraging (I have good pictures). Finding that a building most probably sat in the park, which had a stone foundation, is also quite discouraging. I’ve been searching for the building permit, but I am having trouble finding it. Also, my pictures show that if the casque was against the wall, there is now a mean entanglement of tree roots that lies on and well below the surface. I’ve dug cypress and cedar stumps out before. Not something I enjoy.
I am just surprised that after such initially positive feedback nobody is critiquing or adding to my theory.

Hear, hear!  I hope everyone had happy holidays and that the new year will bring joy and happiness to all of us.

It’s the title page for the subsequent few pages, which contain the verses.

just a quick question for anyone out there… did anybody ever make anything out of the pic of all the characters marked VERSES just before the verses start? it’s bothered me since i started this thing! any input would be great!!! thanx in advance!

What bothers you about it? It is simply a collective photograph of JoEllen Trilling’s fair folk characters from subsequent illustrations.

yeah, i know that…but why is it titled “the verses”…almost like it was trying to tie the pics of the twelve p’s with the verses using the character section… it doesen’t seem to have any reason for being there… and we’ve all come to know there isn’t anything in this book so far that doesen’t seem to have a reason for being there. see what i mean?

Does anyone keep in touch with Dan Amrich? He did a great job building a solid record on Kit Williams’ Masquerade. I cant imagine hes lost interest in the Secret.

maltedfalcon

What was the message from BP about there not being a casque in central park?? did that say anything more about NY?

I remember him saying that “there is no casque buried in central Park” and “there is no casque buried at Liberty Island”.
Digger,
There has never been a reference by BP that there “is” a casque in NY.  Your point on what BP meant with his “not so” is quite valid.  Yet I don’t think he was answering Fox’s email in riddles.  Just very vague, not giving anything away. (because we are close)  Really all we can literally take from it is that the casque was not destroyed at ground zero, period.  But it definately keeps Brooklyn very much alive.  And if there is a casque in NY, he knows that it is still attainable, at least it was in 2004.  Permanent structures!!!!

BP reponded three diffrent times about NY locations.  Nothing in Central Park, the Statue of Liberty (or Liberty Island), and this one on point, Ground Zero.  I assume that his ***not so*** came after the other two.
Why
wouldn’t he just say ***get out of NY***?  He gave up Canada, Houston, and St Louis for us.  I think one has to believe here, with the history of his contacts, that his ambiguity surrounding NYC is about not handing anyone the shovel to dig.  Afterall, his office was located on 25th Street, Midtown Manhattan, and born and raised a Brooklynite…..Image12 has the Statue of Liberty, Two WTC, and the Verrazano Bridge.  You can tinker with the verses, but the image belongs to NY.

actually those are all things viewed from New Jersey.

maltedfalcon

actually those are all things viewed from New Jersey.

LOL Malted!  I was thinking the same because Jersey has been angry that NY claims Lady Liberty while she sits on the Jersey side.

I agree with Boogie.  I really don’t think he was trying to be cryptic about his response.  I think the most common thing to do with an email such as mine is read through it and answer the last question/statement.  If he was answering the first question, than I think it reasonable to assume he would answer the second one as well.  With your misconstruing of the reply, he might as well of been replying “Not so” to my sentence reading “My concern, and I believe it to be a valid one”.  Why wasn’t my concern valid?  (or)
“I can not begin to tell you how excited I am that interest has been revised in this hunt”……not so? why can’t I tell you?  (or)
“Unfortunately we are floundering with the correct verse.”  Not so…?…you mean we have the correct verse?  (etc, etc, ad nauseum)
The only logical statement to respond to with a “not so” would be the one starting “If this is the case…”

just for completeness sake, I have many more emails from Preiss, but none that are germain to a treasure or solution.
wilhouse

fox

6)  {this one is a little cryptic}
Re: The SECRET‏
From:
[email protected]
You may not know this sender.Mark as safe|Mark as unsafe
Sent: Sun 5/30/04 10:08 PM
To:
[email protected]
In a message dated 5/28/04 1:19:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[email protected]
writes: << p;
I can not begin to tell you how excited I am that interest has been revised in this hunt and that a 2nd casque was finally located. Only 10 more to go. My concern, and I believe it to be a valid one, is this. It seems quite obvious by one of the pictures that a casque is buried somewhere in New York City, unfortunately we are still floundering with the correct verse. A wacky theory of mine puts it very close to the tragedy of the Twin Towers. If this is the case, all remains of the casque would have been lost with the countless innocent lives……
>
*** not so. ***

I disagree fox, it makes no logical sense to reply to a factual statement.  Replies are only logically appropriate when they are the answers to questions even if they are phrased as statements as yours is or as a  correction to a factually inaccurate statement.
“I can not begin to tell you how excited I am that interest has been revised in this hunt and that a 2nd casque was finally located.”
This is two statements and both are factually correct.  No reply needed or would be expected.
“Only 10 more to go.”
Another factual statement.  No reply needed or would be expected.
“My concern, and I believe it to be a valid one, is this.”
Not really a meaningful sentence as you don’t state what your concern is.  It probably should have been merged with the following sentence where you do state your concern.  In any case, not a question nor a factually inaccurate statement and it doesn’t necessitate a reply.
“It seems quite obvious by one of the pictures that a casque is buried somewhere in New York City, unfortunately we are still floundering with the correct verse.”
This is two statements the first about a casque being in NYC has an unknown factual quantity.  The second statement, about the verse, is also of unknown factual quantity but as you didn’t supply him with the verse in question he really had nothing to reply to unless he wanted to just come out and tell you which verse to use and he obviously wasn’t going to do that.  So only the first of these statement might garner a reply.  And his reply of “not so” can logically be interpreted as an answer to the first statement in the above sentence.
“A wacky theory of mine puts it very close to the tragedy of the Twin Towers.”
This is a factual statement.  No reply needed or would be expected.
“If this is the case, all remains of the casque would have been lost with the countless innocent lives……”
This is a question phrased as a statement.  You are asking him to confirm or deny that the casque was destroyed in the 9/11 terrorist attack.  You could logically expect a reply to this question.  But even if his reply of “not so” was the answer to this question it does not logically follow that there is a casque in NYC.  Just because it wasn’t destroyed on 9/11 doesn’t mean it was there in the first place.
Also, as you stated at the top of this email you at one time thought this was a cryptic reply from BP, what changed your mind?
I am not disputing the fact that there might be a casque in NYC.  I have no opinion about that.  All I am saying is that since it is impossible to determine which part of the email his reply of “not so” goes with and we can no longer clarify what he meant by asking him this email tells us nothing.  Or rather it does tell us something because he obviously replied to something in your email but without further clarification which is now impossible we are unable to determine what it tells us.  So the effect is the same.

Glossiphoniidae

Take a picture of it to prove it’s real, and put it on ebay to sell it.

Im thinking thats probably a good ’nuff way to go about it. eBay takes 9% of the sale up to a maximum of $50.

erexere

Im thinking thats probably a good ’nuff way to go about it. eBay takes 9% of the sale up to a maximum of $50.

For the life of me, I cannot understand how the finder couldn’t figure that out themselves; then asked you, and you couldn’t figure it out either; then you had to ask this forum.

Its hypothetical. I didnt say someone found a casque.
Im asking the forum how it would verify the authenticity. It doesnt look that difficult to forge one.
I was recently at a performing arts center and saw a collection of ceramic figures where it was explained that vandals had broke two of them beyond repair so they hired a 3rd party artist to craft replicas. Im thinking at some point given enough interest in the value of this treasure hunt there is the eventuality that someone would go so far as to craft a replica casque. If they didnt tell us where or how they found it, how would we know its real? And how much would someone be willing to pay for it?

erexere

If they didnt tell us where or how they found it, how would we know its real? And how much would someone be willing to pay for it?

The same way we would know a casque ain’t in Oregon… common sense and concrete clues.

erexere

I’m asking the forum how it would verify the authenticity. It doesnt look that difficult to forge one.

We can approach that question without the eBay scenario. What if you dig up a casque? How do you know someone didn’t forge a replica and bury it in Oregon to match one of your proposed locations.
Did the known two casques have other identifying features? I don’t recall what else was found with them, such as a note or instructions for the finder. Didn’t they also include a ceramic key? If someone duplicates those from images, I would be suspicious if they look too much like the photograph. Wouldn’t each piece be unique in some way, to match the theme of its fairy origin?
Even then, we don’t have pictures of all twelve casques, so we can’t be certain of what any of the others looked like. Does the Preiss estate have such documentation? We could debate authenticity, but need to yield to the authority which would award the finder with the associated gem prize. Would even that be sufficient to remove all doubt?

Unknown

Unknown:
How do you know someone didn’t forge a replica and bury it in Oregon to match one of your proposed locations

First of all, that would be hilarious. But in the real world, we know that no one is going to go to that kind of trouble and expense for the same reason that no one is forging dollar bills. Putting aside the obvious logistical challenges, in the end, it’s a losing proposition. Unless of course we overvalue the obvious humor potential. The bottom line is that is a very limited market for one of the casques, assuming that a legitimate finder was even willing to part with it in the first place. More valuable, IMO would be the information we could glean from where, when, and how the casque was unearthed. Someone might be willing to overpay for that, especially if they thought it gave them a leg up on the rest of the people still working on these puzzles. However, we’ll just have to wait and see how that information is handled, if/when #3 sees the light of day.

YES the lamp base is what makes me think this could be the clue to the worlds fair. The far bigger issue is if this is not the STL image what is their realy is not another one with as much clues to STL.

scottrocks7

YES the lamp base is what makes me think this could be the clue to the worlds fair. The far bigger issue is if this is not the STL image what is their realy is not another one with as much clues to STL.

that could be true in the area you are searching but it is possible that in another area of town another verse works perfectly and leads to a casque. No way of knowing at this point.

Hi Everyone,
Long time searcher, first time poster.
I apologize if I’m posting in the wrong section, but I was curious if anyone has had any experience digging or knows how to go about getting access to ground penetrating radar?
I’m located in NY, but I’d like to explore St. Louis, MO, regarding image 9. Has anyone here organized a dig before?
Thank you,
Jackie

Hi Everyone,
In 2004 a coworker, turtle123456 on this forum, and I started working A Treasure’s Trove. We had some success. With the finish of that hunt we looked for another hunt with which to spend our time. The Secret caught our attention. This hunt seemed well developed, been around awhile, had multiple treasures, and one solution did not solve all the other locations.
We noticed all the remarkable effort and teamwork this forum has put into this treasure hunt. It is refreshing to see everyone sharing their ideas with the group. As we made steps forward, we decided it would be more fun for everyone for us to share and work with this forum. We would like to start sharing our ideas.
By focusing on a couple locations we made ground. We found the dig area for San Francisco and the general area for New York. We have also developed some theories on other locations.
We are looking forward to working with everyone. Maybe we’ll meet on a future dig.

fox

I too can’t wait to hear some of your ideas Sonoran…especially with digs in both SF & NY in the very near future.  Don’t be suprised to get
from Trohn if horses arent involved
just goofing buddy..you know that.

Horsing around…no problem.  Just keep in mind which end you are talking to

will be in NYC in mid July and am hoping that Boogie & I have some great pics to share.  my family already has an itinerary in the works but they KNOW that at least some of my time in the Big APPLE will be spent w/ The Secret.
I too can’t wait to hear some of your ideas Sonoran…especially with digs in both SF & NY in the very near future.  Don’t be suprised to get
from Trohn if horses arent involved
just goofing buddy..you know that.

Kato

No postings on the Secret site since April 1?   Did everybody loose intrest?  Anybody out there?

I’m out here, and i read the forum every day.  I just have nothing to contribute.  Have I lost interest?  Yes.  The probability of finding these treasures now is just too low.  Time has passed, the landmarks have changed, the earth itself has shifted around most of these sites.
I’ve bought “The Clock without a Face”, in which there are twelve new treasures to be found.  That will keep my interest for a while.

Catherwood,
My daughter sent me “The Clock Without A Face” for Mothers’ Day.
I have not yet had a chance to read it.  Looks like fun.
Tweleve has a forum started for discussing it.
AP

OK!!!! Who started a chat room and neglected to invite me?
Wayyyy too quiet in here.

I just figured they were all digging before the weather stars getting colder.

I’m here…but busy. Writing my 3rd novel.

Unknown

Unknown:
As a newcomer to The Secret, I was wondering if the following facts are true:
Image 4 is linked to verse 4 and the casque was found in Clevland.
Image five is linked to verse twelve, and the casque was found in Chicago.
According to Mr. Preiss, there is a casque buried in the New York area, but it is definately not buried in Central Park?
According to Mr. Preiss, there is no casque buried in Philadelphia?
If anyone can answer the above, it would be most appreciated.  Thanks. Â

Cleveland — correct.
Chicago — correct.
NY — no, he never said that there is one in NY, but he did say that there is no casque in Central Park.
Philly — he said he doesn’t recall one being buried in Philly, but he was not definite.

As a newcomer to The Secret, I was wondering if the following facts are true:
Image 4 is linked to verse 4 and the casque was found in Clevland.
Image five is linked to verse twelve, and the casque was found in Chicago.
According to Mr. Preiss, there is a casque buried in the New York area, but it is definately not buried in Central Park?
According to Mr. Preiss, there is no casque buried in Philadelphia?
If anyone can answer the above, it would be most appreciated.  Thanks. Â

nice.
now you’re just making me feel bad…
wilhouse

Anyone interested, there’s a piece on the Scifi channel on the Roanoke-Virginia Dare history tonite at 9pm EST.  It’s called
The Wraths of
Roanoke.

it’s the mystery that’s got me hooked.  i guess if someone got the answers,  they’d go get the casques, so i guess i would want to know then. i hope it doesn’t end that way.

I would want ONE of them. Image 3. I want the solution to that one. The rest I’ll guess at.

I dont hold out much hope for this at all.
A, I wouldnt want someone to just come out with the answers.
B, They  bought BP’s company, but it seems to me, the info on the secret was in his personal stuff. So I kind of doubt they got anything besides the book.
C, Part of the elegance of this hunt is the secrets have been kept… If somone new learns the solutions it cheapens it…

If you say you don’t want the answers handed to you, might you at least want some feedback on what we think we know now?  I personally would love to know whether the totem pole statue in Golden Gate park was indeed the solution to the San Francisco treasure, to confirm that it was indeed lost in the trenching; or on the contrary, to rule out all of our current theories and start with renewed purpose.

catherwood

If you say you don’t want the answers handed to you, might you at least want some feedback on what we think we know now?  I personally would love to know whether the totem pole statue in Golden Gate park was indeed the solution to the San Francisco treasure, to confirm that it was indeed lost in the trenching; or on the contrary, to rule out all of our current theories and start with renewed purpose.

indeed the question was to invoke feedback, as the possibilities of
ownership seem to be endles so the more disscusion the better
i still dont want the answers outright though, as fb said takes the fun out
who knows maybe willhouses’ email will make it an offical hunt again

Unknown

Unknown:
, Part of the elegance of this hunt is the secrets have been kept… If somone new learns the solutions it cheapens it…

this is not an argument, so please don’t take it personally…
…I don’t think finding the answer to a puzzle can cheapen the puzzle in any way. Puzzles are not meant to be UNsolved, but SOLVED. Eventually. 30 years is a very long time to wait for a solution, and if circumstances had not intervened, we would not be here now wondering where 10 worthless casques are buried; yes, I said worthless. The casques do not contain the jewels, only keys which were to be traded in for jewels.  Intrinsically they have extremely little value–maybe none at all if damaged.  It is the very purpose of this part of the forum to try to solve the riddles in the verses and images, not to claim the prizes.
How can the answers cheapen that?  no one would be forced to look at the answers if they did not want to.

shecrab

30 years is a very long time to wait for a solution, and if circumstances had not intervened, we would not be here now wondering where 10 worthless casques are buried;
It is the very purpose of this part of the forum to try to solve the riddles in the verses and images, not to claim the prizes.
How can the answers cheapen that?  no one would be forced to look at the answers if they did not want to.

What circumstances intervened? BP indicated he was not going to release the answers. His death didn’t change that. If he were still alive, we would be exactly where we are now. Pestering him for clues or confirmers would have just made him less likely to communicate.
If as you say, It is the very purpose of this forum to try to
SOLVE
the riddles, releasing the answers would cheapen the process and kill the hunt, Even if you didn’t,  How would you
know
the next person didn’t cheat, a little or a lot…. If the answers became available, there would be a quick rush to go dig up the casques rather then continue to work on the puzzles…
Monetarily valuable or not, broken or whole, the casques are a piece of literary history, all the locations would be dug up the day the locations were known… There would be some on ebay before the next day.
You say they are worthless?, So if the St Louis casque was on ebay for 10$ you wouldn’t bid? I would, therefore they at least have a value of $10.00. Ask Eggbert how much he would sell his for… I bet I couldn’t afford it… They might be ugly, cheaply made, and broken but worthless? hardly… and the more effort we put into finding them the more it will be worth. If I found one I would never sell it, making it priceless, at least to me.
So yes finding the answers or getting hints cheapens the hunt.

If BP took such care in creating this for everyone to enjoy and went to the grave knowing these were not yet solved and chose through the years not to reveal the secrets, then I say it is our duty,… nay… our Privledge to solve them in his memory and for the glory of the hunt.

apparently, you asked this question once before and it was answered by Fox:
BEGIN QUOTE:
Quote from: forest_blight on August 01, 2006, 04:02:52
So which is right? Fox posted in 2004 that BP had confirmed to him that a casque was buried in Canada. Could BP have been mistaken or misunderstood? The idea of a Canadian casque rests on Fox’s memory or e-mail archives. If we could eliminate Canada, that would narrow it down quite a bit for us, because if there is a Canadian casque, and if P11 is Boston and P9 is St. Louis, that means there is no casque in New York City and by elimination P12 *must* be Canadian.
Fox – do you still have that message from BP?
Sorry about the delay.  Here is the very brief response I received from BP.  I think my initial email to him said something about I was really enjoying the hunt and I asked about the Canada casque rumor:
————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————–
From :
Sent :  Monday, April 7, 2003 2:08 PM
To :
[email protected]
Subject :  Re: “The Secret”
|  |  | The Secret | Inbox
thanks! yes, there is a treasure in Canada.
|  |    |  |  | The Secret | Inbox
Get the latest updates from MSN
END QUOTE

I believe there is also a Canada confirmation either in the original newspaper article announcing the book, or in the Chicago article when that casque was found.  I forgot which threads had those articles in them.

There’s a whole thread on here called Canadian questions or something like that which has that post and the Chicago article too.
Apparently, there was an advertisement that said US and Canada, but the Chicago article said 48 states only–but it was pointed out that the Chicago article was riddled with errors.
I think BP’s own email says it all. There is indeed a casque in Canada.

Thanks shecrab – I had forgotten that exchange.
As for the newspaper articles, this one states “…the far reaches of the 48 states…”
http://www.geocities.com/quantpsy/trove/ct_080983a.jpg
This article mentions “…hundreds of thousands of Americans will be galvanized into action by the promise of rubies…”
http://www.geocities.com/quantpsy/trove/ct_111682a.jpg
…and “…an effort to build a contemporary American mythology…” and “…America needed hip modern fantasy world…”
http://www.geocities.com/quantpsy/trove/ct_111682b1.jpg
…and “Preiss, 29, hid the jewels over several months as he crossed the country on other business…”
On the other hand it also says “…[the Fair People] hid their hoard all over the continent…”
Also, the article about Egbert’s find mentions “…hidden across North America.”
http://www.angelfire.com/dragon/egbert/secret.html

Can someone remind me why we think there is a casque in Canada? The book says nothing about Canada that I could find, and the back cover says “Across North America,” which could mean the U.S., Canada, Honduras, Costa Rica, Mexico… One of the early newspaper articles mentions “48 states” without a Canada reference, and also that BP’s purpose with this book was to try to establish a “contemporary
American
mythology.”
So whence Canada?

Thanks for swinging this over to Gen. Quests..  If you want to eliminate New york, then we should find the 74 in NY and draw a straight line on the map up into Canada.  This should also eliminate certain areas that have already been looked at up there.  I believe it would break the P12 Niagra idea.  Vancouver as well.  But first we must all agree that there is a 74 in the image…..  Hey, but we do have a 73 in P9 don’t we?  This whole thing is starting to make me cry!!!!

forest, in verse 5, you didn’t put……….washington street, i remember someone said that long time ago, about washington’s birthday being february 22nd.  that would fit in with the others, tho’ i know they might not all be the same, and probably aren’t, still, something to keep in mind, right?

Good point – went back and changed it.

I know there’s been some discussion of the Cleveland and Chicago finds and sort of reverse engineering them to find other casques. I work about a mile south of the Cleveland find, and on my lunch hour last week took a ride up there and took a lot of pictures. If folks are interested, I’d be happy to post them here.

That would be great — you never know what people may notice.

Some pics of the Greek Cultural Gardens:
The above are from their web site. Below are mine.
The spot where the casque was dug up:
The casque was in the bushes between those urns:
An overview of the garden. The site where the casque was is on the other side of the wall. MLK Drive is down the hill from there. Behind me is East Blvd.
The entrance, and my bike.
If there’s something specific you wanted to see, I might be enticed to return…

slappybuns

if the shape of the park is somewhere in the images, like the Fountain of Youth park in florida, then i think the golden gate park in san francisco has to be it for image 1, and i’m wondering since, the lady in image 12 reminds me so much of the shape of prospect park in new york, maybe that’s the place……?

But in image 1 is GGpark the iconic image that is  the start of the hunt or is it the image of the treasure location. both are possible, yet could be miles apart.

maltedfalcon

yes in the two found instance
you travel several miles along a road without turning from an iconic image in the painting.
Then you turn left and left again to reach the destination…

If you put that theory to verse10, use the WTC tower two as the iconic image, go south on Washington street about 1/2 a mile to 3/4 of a mile and you come to Battery Park. Make a left, two blocks to the end. Make another left and it takes you to Bowling Green Park across from the US Customs House.  Wallah!

I would say that Bantom Books has the locations of all of the Casques someplace. It is not likely that they would get involved in a treasure hunt and not know the solutions. This would likely be in their archive someplace.

It is also possible that because books of this nature are so unusual that Bantam would not know how to handle such a contract.  I am sure that any company these days would want solutions in hand to ensure that there was in fact a correct solution, perhaps to ensure that the items were not buried someplace that would send people into trouble, etc all to cover their rear ends.  But it is also very possible that saying “there is a solution” may have been enough for Bantam 25 years ago [ MAYBE even today ].  I seem to think I read somewhere that someone contacted Bantam at one point and were told they did not have them.  I may be wrong, I’ve read an awful lot in a few short days time.  Does someone with a copy of the book have the information of who to contact once a casque has been found?  Was it a contact at Bantam, or was it Mr. Preiss directly?

johann suggested Image10/Verse7 as the St. Louis solution when Preiss emailed the response that “st. louid” was correct but the location was not.  Seems so unusual a pairing given that at this point image10 is solidly Milwaukee and verse7 looks so strongly a fit for SF (or N.O.)

…Just a quick question to the regulars… did anybody try ciphering the capitol letters at the beginning of the lines of the verses? The reason I asked was there are 12 stones, 12 flowers, and of course 12 pics, 12 verses, and 12 locations of the casques. The 12 stones are the birthstones, the 12 flowers confirm these, but months are never mentioned. If the months are keywords, they would effectively match the v’s with the p’s. I’m not at all adept at this, but have noted several TFF trigrams in the mix. Just wondering… Thanx

The 12 months are indicated by numbers, usually in the form of clock faces:
P1: June (6:00)
P2: April (4:00)
P3: January (1:00)
P4: March (triangle)
P5: May (5 warts)
P6: September (9 flowers)
P7: December (12:00)
P8: July (7 columns)
P9: October (Roman numeral X)
P10: February (2 red balls)
P11: August (8 gold notches on globe stand)
P12: November (11:00)

I have a question for Egbert, (or anyone else who has solved one of these)….
Would you say that there are elements in the pictures which have nothing to do with the solutions (i.e. only there for artistic purposes, or because it makes sense in the context of the images)? Or would you say that every element in every picture is somehow related to a solve for that picture?
ck

ms crab,
I havent solved one of these (yet) but am assuming that there must be items in the Ps simply for artistic purposes.  I find it very hard to believe that “every” item, object, background, ect is somehow used in the solve but that is just my opinion.
Check out the article from
The Plain Dealer
, which is one of Cleveland’s papers that had a very nice article on Sir Egg’s find.  There is a good section that has explanations for many of the items/objects that can be seen.
http://www.angelfire.com/dragon/egbert/secret.html

I’ve seen the article and the Secret wiki articles and the solves for both Cleveland and Chicago.  Particularly in the Chicago image, it seems there are a lot of “extras” that have little or nothing to do with solving the puzzle–in other words, you don’t need them in order to find the casques.
I was just wondering if they were all like that–or just that one–or if anyone knew for certain. I don’t have my book yet–it’s been shipped, but not yet received.
c

maltedfalcon

who sculpted the casques?
Not JJP and not Joellen Trilling.
I’m sure I had that info somewhere but I cannot find it.
Does anybody know?
Thanks

The book credits Joellen Trilling as the sculptress. I don’t mean to question your knowledge, but what makes you believe otherwise? No sarcasm intended, just an honest question from a newbie.

JoshCornell

someone sent him a letter with a solution, guy had it right up to st louis cathedral (which is why I offered evidence up until that point)…however, said person had casque location wrong…I have casque location CORRECT…and it is absolutely indisputable. said person who sent letter WAS from this forum…that is how I got here.

Can you enlighten us please on who this forum member is? The only email from Preiss I can find on this forum that references St. Louis was the email response to Johann where he’d proposed a dig site in Forest Park (St. Louis, MO).
Which forum member received a letter after submitting a dig site in New Orleans?

1) You are correct there is no email connecting St. Louis and NOLA.
2) That guy is a troll.

I have not seen any mention of inscriptions on the casques, were there any?
If not, I believe it was incredibly short-sighted to not scratch on inscription on them, in case some random person or maintenance worked unearthed one. This is another reason that we may never know if some have been “found” but never reported.

who sculpted the casques?
Not JJP and not Joellen Trilling.
I’m sure I had that info somewhere but I cannot find it.
Does anybody know?
Thanks

why couldn’t image 12 be the new york and the canada image?  niagara falls belongs to both.
“nteresting fact: According to the U.S.G.S. (United States Geological Survey) of Niagara
Falls, it appears that almost 1/3 of the Canadian Falls lies within US Territory.”
“Straddling the Canadian-United States International Border and both in the Province of Ontario
and the State of New York, Niagara Falls attracts some 12 Million tourists to her majestic
awesome beauty each year.”
goat island has the horsehoe falls (canadian) and the bridal veil falls (american). that is how it looks to me.  the picture is in  a horsehoe shape.
maybe you have to go to luna island which has the cave of the winds
(volume–loud)

scottrocks7

Image 6 seams to be linked to the VERSE by the arms extended bar that binds.

I think you meant VERSE, not image…

scottrocks7

Image 8 is definately Houston because Reunion Tower is in the image

I live in the Dallas area and Reunion tower is here, not in Houston (roughly 220 miles away).  I believe that Image 8 goes with Houston, but for other reasons (see Wilhouse’s numerous posts).  Sorry to pick this nit, but I think I’ve seen this same mistake before, maybe on the Secret Wiki site?

Jambone

I live in the Dallas area and Reunion tower is here, not in Houston (roughly 220 miles away).  I believe that Image 8 goes with Houston, but for other reasons (see Wilhouse’s numerous posts).  Sorry to pick this nit, but I think I’ve seen this same mistake before, maybe on the Secret Wiki site?

Yup.  no matter how tight we try to keep the forum, something always gets mixed up.  Inevitable?
Scotty, in general, what about the dog leg in image9 clues you into the 1904 World’s fair in St Louis?

If you want to go with
what we know,
It’s a bit more wide open. Favorites and pet theories aside, It’s still wide open. I want to fill in more but we really just don’t know. There are some really really good possibilities, but without a casque find, Its silly to eliminate possibilities just because someone is really positive about a particular idea.
For instance. I was sure verse 7 went with SF, and I thought it was silly for anyone to try and fit v7 in any where else, It was just a waste of time. Then somebody pointed out V6 as a possibility for SF. I thought what a joke, but I looked, Right off, I found a robert Louis Stevenson connection in Portsmouth square in san francisco, so I went to visit and check it out. Accross the street from the square was the site of a theater, famous for hosting Edwin Booth when he came to California.
The decorations on the street lamps around the square are dragons with curved and looping tails.
There are police call boxes around the square which might match the shape under the table.
The map section that shows up in the dragon, contains the road that portsmouth square  is on.
The only thing that makes me disbelieve a v6 connection to SF is I cant get it to resolve down to a particular spot, while with v7 I can, but other people can use v6 and v7 in other cities to resolve down. But without v6 there is no reason from the picture to go to portsmouth square, But then you dont see the dragons or the call boxes…
I guess my long winded point is, until somebody used it to dig up a casque, all verses are up for grabs and if you have a good location from the picture try all the verses to get you to a casque.
verse1 =                                    image1 = SF
verse2 =                                    image2 =
verse3 =                                    image3 =
verse4 = Cleveland                      image 4 = Cleveland
verse5 =                                    image5 = Chicago
verse6 =                                    image6 = Florida
verse7 =                                    image7 = New Orleans
verse8 =                                    image8 = Houston
verse9 =                                    image9 =
verse10 =                                  image10 = Milwaukee
verse11 =                                  image11 =
verse12 = Chicago                      image12 =

scottrocks7

And Image 8 is Houston because the tower with the ball on top of it is in the image. Hey I’ve only been to Houston once in my life 18 years ago.

But how do you reconcile the fact that that tower you see in the image is in fact in DALLAS, not Houston!?  I lived in in Houston from 1992-1995, and I have lived in the Dallas area for over 30 years total.  Houston doesn’t have a tower that matches what you’re talking about in image 8.
Please understand that I do NOT think this image indicates Dallas; in fact I think it does go with Houston.  BUT, to continue to say that it’s Houston because of an alleged match with Reunion Tower is wrong.

maltedfalcon

I guess my long winded point is, until somebody used it to dig up a casque, all verses are up for grabs and if you have a good location from the picture try all the verses to get you to a casque.
verse1 =                                    image1 = SF
verse2 =                                    image2 =
verse3 =                                    image3 =
verse4 = Cleveland                      image 4 = Cleveland
verse5 =                                    image5 = Chicago
verse6 =                                    image6 = Florida
verse7 =                                    image7 = New Orleans
verse8 =                                    image8 = Houston
verse9 =                                    image9 =
verse10 =                                  image10 = Milwaukee
verse11 =                                  image11 =
verse12 = Chicago                      image12 =

I’m with maltedfalcon on this one, except I would extend that to the images too.  Even though I agree with most of the image to city matches that he has made and I am particularly convinced about Milwaukee, the only ones I would describe as something that we
know
are Cleveland and Chicago.  I’d agree with pretty sure though.

First, I want to say that we are getting pretty wrapped around our pet theories. This isn’t anything unusual, it’s just that it makes it harder for new theories to get a foothold, or for others to join in–and I’m probably as guilty of this as anyone, so I’m not criticizing here.
Second, I want to talk about latitudes and longitudes. In every image there is more than one number–and more than one possibility.
For instance, you have almost all agreed that Image 1 is San Francisco. Well, it might be. But it ALSO might be Point Reyes, California. There are two very distinct sets of latitudes and longitudes in that image, neither of which is definitive. Look at the sides of the curly hair–on one side you have 38 and on the other you have 37. That is a significant difference. On the apron the girl wears, you have two sets of longitude: on one side of the dragon you have 122, and on the other, 123. That means that there are four ways of making latitude and longitude. 37+122, 37+123, 38+122, and 38+123. For each of these locations you will get:
37-122 = Just south of SF, in a place nearer to Santa Cruz CA
37-123 = in the ocean, southwest of San Francisco
38-122 = Just northeast of Concord CA
38-123 = Point Reyes, CA
My point here is that the latitudes and longitudes may not be as precise as we want them to be–in this case, all four of them draw a large “box” around San Francisco, so we can pretty much say that our location is in that box somewhere. It is highly likely to be SF…and the Alcatraz rock in the background of the image probably confirms it–as do other markers.
However, we’re not so lucky on the other images. Image 2 is a prime example.
You have various and very disparate lats/longs here. In the scratchy areas of the lion’s mane there are several numbers: 33, 45, 55, 80, 79, 45, and 36; in the butterfly wings there are two 8’s–(88?); and using other indicators in the picture, such as the number of petals on the daisy–grouped in 3’s and 5’s–you can get 35, or 53. These combinations are:
33E-79N80N= Charleston SC
45E-79N80N= Northern Ontario Province, Canada (middle of nowhere, actually)
36E-79/80N = Near Greensboro NC
36E-88N = almost exactly halfway between Nashville and Memphis TN
33E-88N = western Alabama
45E-88N = Just north of Green Bay WI
55E-88N= extremely north in Quebec province
33E-55N = in the Atlanic ocean
We can probably eliminate the italicized combinations. The problem here is that despite the map of the Charleston area being fairly clear, it also matches an area in Niagara Falls–admittedly not as well, but it could be used. And the latitude/longitude for that area would be 42/79. 42 is about the only number that does not appear. The clearest numbers in this image are actually 36 and 80, which point to the location outside Greensboro NC.
Then you have Image 3–which contains so many numbers it’s extremely tedious to get all the combinations. In the floor cracks, and the red “skirt” on the armor, you can get 41, 45, 48, 116, 86, 91, 95, 75, 74, 79. But you can narrow it down this way: use the only possible Latitude numbers:  41, 45, and 48 first to get the latitude ‘band’ that you’ll be searching in, then find the longitudes.
Using 41 first you will have a band of places that extends from Northern Nevada to West Point NY.  I’m not going to continue with these, you can use your own programs to figure out the rest. BUT….the latitude of Roanoke ISland?
35N, 75W.
I saw no 35 in all those numbers. How do we account for that? It appears we can’t.
I think we all agree on a few things. Image 1 is San Francisco. Image 6 is Florida. Images 4 and 5 are without doubts, Cleveland and Chicago. Image 8 is Houston and 10 is Milwaukee. That leaves the following images with doubtful attachements:
2, 3, 7, 9, 11, and 12. We know there are casques in St. Louis and Canada. Beyond that, we don’t know anything[/b for certain,
despite
what we’ve uncovered. And as I’ve demonstrated, latitude and longitude numbers are not reliably useful in all images.

I tend to agree with the verse 11 image 3 match. The dogleg being a clue to STL is just an idea. But considering that when Image 9 is turned upside down it seams to indicate Forest Park and Image 6 seams to be linked to the image by the arms extended bar that binds. I will have to look into this some more.
Now I am not trying to start this up again but I spent some time looking at what I think is the maple leaf in the flowers in image 11 and the Canadian flag.
To find what I think is the maple leaf look at the lavender flowers above the globe. Look at the right pedle. Notice it does not have any of the markings the other three I think it could be a crude representation of the maple leaf.
If Image 11 is Canada as I have stated before Ottawa looks to be a very likely location.
And Image 8 is Houston because the tower with the ball on top of it is in the image. Hey I’ve only been to Houston once in my life 18 years ago.

shecrab

For instance, you have almost all agreed that Image 1 is San Francisco. Well, it might be. But it ALSO might be Point Reyes, California. There are two very distinct sets of latitudes and longitudes in that image, neither of which is definitive. Look at the sides of the curly hair–on one side you have 38 and on the other you have 37. That is a significant difference. On the apron the girl wears, you have two sets of longitude: on one side of the dragon you have 122, and on the other, 123. That means that there are four ways of making latitude and longitude. 37+122, 37+123, 38+122, and 38+123. For each of these locations you will get:
37-122 = Just south of SF, in a place nearer to Santa Cruz CA
37-123 = in the ocean, southwest of San Francisco
38-122 = Just northeast of Concord CA
38-123 = Point Reyes, CA

Yes for the purpose of this hunt I consider SF to include all those places including Oakland, Alameda, Berkley and the Marin Headland. It would be more accurate to say Image 1 indicates the Bay Area, but SF is easier to type. So when considering verses, I am looking in all those areas.

i emailed a friend that lives in st louis,mo., the legeater jpeg and
asked him while he does his daily life, if he could keep an eye out
for a lamp post like that. you never know, if you see something like
that, you will remember, you saw it

2fast4u2c suggested that Park (Carre St. Louis or Saint Louis Square) a year and a half ago. It’s possible, but there just isn’t much there.

…except for those silly little connections you and I very briefly discussed over lunch long ago…
at that time, I was excited to know that there was the St. Louis Cathedral in Jackson Sq New Orleans…and wondered if all of the casque sites may be connected somehow.

Too true, fox. Maybe the other 10 are all buried in Jackson Square! That certainly would make our task easier…

Hello everyone.  I haven’t posted anything for several months, and really have only read part of the posts sporadically, due to certain personal problems with which I have been dealing.  However, I am very excited to have just learned (through a telephone call) that a special guest will be posting on these boards soon, and I just thought you should all stay tuned…………..
Hope all is well with everyone.

Thanks for the heads-up, Egbert!
AP

Intriguing!

Egbert

Hello everyone.  I haven’t posted anything for several months, and really have only read part of the posts sporadically, due to certain personal problems with which I have been dealing.  However, I am very excited to have just learned (through a telephone call) that a special guest will be posting on these boards soon, and I just thought you should all stay tuned…………..   🙂
Hope all is well with everyone.

FINALLY!!  Internet in heaven.  Its about time!

How do we know it’s Heaven?????

I’m planning on visiting San Francisco somewhere around July 5-7 and digging.
My wife rolled her eyes when I told her I was packing a couple of shovels.

boogieman

Wilhouse, i really don’t know I forgot that tidbit.  No offense.

none taken, of course. I thought it was a legitimate question!
wilhouse

boogieman

image one—-San fran
image two—Charelston
image three–North Carolina
image four—Cleveland
image five—-Chicago
image six—–Florida
image seven–New orleans
image eight–Houston
image nine–St Louis
image ten—Milwaulkee
image eleven—Boston or Canada

I would agree with most of the above, except:
Image 9 — NY (Dutch theme)
Image 11 — Boston, St. Louis, or Salt Lake City (probably the Italy/peridot theme — something to keep in mind)
Image 12 — Vancouver (Russian theme)
image twelve–NYC
May I suggest, if Canada is a fact, trying to match the Boston verse to fit Canada.  What is up with Canada?

Not to beat a deadhorse,
but as BP had said, his memory
wasn’t totally clear after over twenty
years, what if when asked about St Louis
he was mistakingly thinking of a
Louisville site.
I believe he did say “Johanna was looking
at the wrong place.”
Just so you know, the first horse race in America
was staged by the Dutch near a farm in what now is
Long Island – 163x… ( Belmont has a mention of it )

Egbert, reply honestly with no regards to offending.  I really would like your opinion on this, being a Jersey guy yourself.

I love that you came by this by chance. So cool. I was aware of the podcast but I didnt feel inclined to listen until you brought it up. I agree the info is mostly correct, though its been reported by Renner that the jewels are actually available should anyone have a key in hand, he would proxy contact with Preiss’ widow.

digger7

FB,
Thanks for putting those emails all in one location.  That was great.
digger

I am still shocked FB, that you still don’t have a casque in your pocket yet!!!!
boogie

One of these days…

General Thoughts on UNfound Casques with Almost Certain Locations
I have always imagined BP parking his rental car at the historical
location, and walking around the outside until he finds a describable spot
and then buring it.
Afterwards, he takes his photos and writes his notes and gets back into his car.
Why do I bring this up….
locations in which are being searched:
Houston City Zoo
Fort Moultrie
Lost Colony Theater
Fountain of Youth Park
Lake Park
J ohn Paul Jones Park  (to a lesser extent because he lived in Brooklyn)
If one would consider the locations closest to the parking lots first, it may lead to an
search method.
Wilhouse talked about BP being able to throw a shovel over a wall at an old entrance.
The North Caolina verse talks about “after circle and square” and I firmly believe these are the parking lots.
I just took a look at Fort Moultrie and the east parking lot has a direct line to the targted southern tree.
More thoughts on the process.

This May (probably the 9th/10th) I will be giving a guest lecture at Northwestern University. While I am in the Chicago area, I hope to not only retrace the Chicago find, but also drive up to Milwaukee and do some serious recon in Lake Park. If anyone is in the area, let me know, and let’s keep in touch on the off-chance we can coordinate a visit.
The only other contributor to this board I’ve met in person is Voltaire, and that’s ‘cuz I already knew him and introduced him to it.

hello i just signed on to this website. i found out about this puzzle on a youtube video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwNPKb9ol8Y
Im just wondering if any others have been found. all i know is image 4 verse 4 and image 5 verse 12.

If you obtain the mineral rights to a location can you then legally dig for a rare substance known as “Preissium”?

Mighty quiet out there…

Cormac,
I put it down to Post-election Syndrome
…
AP

Whats the most conventional way to link a particular post on the boards in the form of a url? Is it only limited to threads after you click in and copy/paste the url?

erexere

Whats the most conventional way to link a particular post on the boards in the form of a url? Is it only limited to threads after you click in and copy/paste the url?

If you click the link above the username in any post, that will give you a link directly to that post.

Thanks Frisco! That ws very helpful.
Does anyone have access to an old set or any Audubon Field Guides that were very popular in the late 70’s, early 80’s? There’s so many references to nature (trees, flowers, birds, butterfies, and jewels) in this treasure hunt, I consider it highly likely Byron used those while designing these puzzles. The AFG’s were broken down into many different categories, even seashells.

Is it about an intrepid band of treasure-seekers who finally solve a complex, decades-old riddle and win a fortune in jewels?
If so, can I be in it??

Shecrab,
Just read your excerpt…You are indeed talented.
Life seems to have given you a some great “novel-fodder”.
(“Life….don’t talk to me about life!”…to quote one of
my favorite book characters….)
Seriously, you have what it takes to succeed in this field.
Keep it up!..
AP

me too me too! i must be way out of the loop because i have no idea what you guys are talking about.

xlurker

Who started a chat room and neglected to invite me?

maybe we should start a chat room……..just a thought

Unknown

Unknown:
Is it about an intrepid band of treasure-seekers who finally solve a complex, decades-old riddle and win a fortune in jewels?
If so, can I be in it??

Unknown

Unknown:
me too me too! i must be way out of the loop because i have no idea what you guys are talking about.

LOL!!!!
NANOWRIMO:
Na
tional
No
vel
Wri
ting
Mo
nth. Every November. You pledge to have a 50K word novel written from November 1-30. There’s a website: nanowrimo.org that will explain all about it. No prizes–well, sort of–there are many accolades and there are also some benefits (like I’m getting a real free book out of it if I finish!) but other than that, it’s just so you can say you did it. I already knew I could do it–I’ve already written two other books–but never entered this competition before. It’s a lot of fun, actually–you sign up (anytime! Even now!) and you get weekly pep talks, there’s a forum, and you can add “writing buddies and pick a region to get to know people from.
And I wish I’d had this plot line before I started, because the one I DID have has taken on a life of its own, and it’s much harder! I’m actually having to do research. I had the barest of threads to begin with–and now I have a full-fledged story that is motoring along very nicely!  You may all go and see if you like–there’s an excerpt on the site. My “author name” is Shecrab. (go figure!)  Just look me up.
Next year—-I’ll put you all in it!!
Back to the keyboard!

Thank you AP!!! I really appreciate the kind words! If you know of any publishers looking for material….

scottrocks7

So please reiterate for me.
BP Confirmed that a casque was burried in St. Louis and a casque was burried in Canada.

Tenuous speculation from less than specific quotes.

So please reiterate for me.
BP Confirmed that a casque was burried in St. Louis and a casque was burried in Canada.

Er…….
Wasn’t the email from Preiss a
real
email? The one where he said there was a Canadian casque?

I’ve spoke with various archaeological experts over the years. Recently I was quoted a fee for services to dig a casque at a rate of $100 per linear foot. There may be some additional fees for permitting. Has anyone else done any cost estimation on hired assistance from an archaeologist?
I think the experience of digging thoroughly and legally during the day for $600-$1000 is reasonable. Sometime in the near future (spring 2017), I’d be willing to donate funds to support any proposed digs. So, any suggestions on who would be a good treasurer?

erexere

I’ve spoke with various archaeological experts over the years. Recently I was quoted a fee for services to dig a casque at a rate of $100 per linear foot. There may be some additional fees for permitting. Has anyone else done any cost estimation on hired assistance from an archaeologist?
I think the experience of digging thoroughly and legally during the day for $600-$1000 is reasonable. Sometime in the near future (spring 2017), I’d be willing to donate funds to support any proposed digs. So, any suggestions on who would be a good treasurer?

As Mark will tell you, it doesn’t matter how many linear feet you can move per hour, or how much it will cost you. It doesn’t matter if you have an archaeologist or a backhoe. If you don’t know precisely where an 8-inch casque is at in North America, you ain’t diggin’ one up. You’d be throwing money in the wind. What happens when you pay someone to dig in Houston, and there ain’t a casque Atropos? Pay to dig a little deeper, a little wider? Move the site and dig at some random lightpole with an S on it? Find another Weird connection in the book and integrate it to refine/define a digspot? Besides, don’t you want to
solve
a puzzle?

No shit. Solving the puzzle is the deal. As for the contrast between legal risk and digging in the poor light of off-hours conditions, I think the thoroughness of day time digging at a reasonable cost is worth looking into. As for where anyones solves takes them, let there be funds to support any clear proposals.
So, if anyone here has a suggestion on procedure, I’m in support of helping.

erexere

So, if anyone here has a suggestion on procedure, I’m in support of helping.

Solve the puzzle, be your own “good treasurer.” Dig one up, and you’ll be able to get permission at other cities.

I dont think it works that way. Egbert found a “treasure.” Has it really give him any access or credibility in the search of other sites?

erexere

I dont think it works that way. Egbert found a “treasure.” Has it really give him any access or credibility in the search of other sites?

Can you get permission to dig inside the FOY?

Yes.

erexere

Yes.

Are you serious Eric?

You’re on!

decibalnyc

You’re on!

Post phrased properly when using avatar of Master Yoda, you must.

Would whoever erased the translation of the San Fransisco verse on the Wiki please put it back. I know we have had some hot discussions about the wiki these past few weeks but I think the summerie of the verse that we think goes with San Fransisco is correct. I want to send this to some people I know in the San Fransisco area that may be able to arange a dig for this casque in January. I am not however makeing any promises. Having this summation would speed things along as they have never seen any of this yet.

TJ, I’m definitely paying for some GPR work. Whatever variables apply, soil condition, tree roots, or anomalies encountered will surely be resolved. As for finding a casque, I’m can only cross my fingers and hope.

No, I was not planning on contacting them.  Please feel free to do so, if you like.  However, as we have discovered, the solutions are lost somewhere in Byron’s personal effects, and the rights to the book itself are owned by Bantam.

I think we had to show participation in the Treasure Trove hunts.

How is the Secret Clique or Raid Progress?
Are You able to say without divulging any secrets that there are any certainties or real progress yet?

you outdid yourself again digger…that last response sounded like an argument for arguments sake.  I (along with boogie & possibly others) seem to think that this was quite straight forward.  but here you go trying to determine which of my questions are statements and which of my statements are factual…after determining that, you next turn to which statement is factual and which statement is not factual but a question, and if it is a question, therefore it isnt a statement factual or nonfactual.  ergo, said statement factual or nonfactual would not nor could not be a statement…but, if said comment was not a statement factual or nonfactual, it could in fact be a question which BP could or would answer factually or nonfactually.  Therefore:
BP not only gave us nothing, but may have given us something to work with unless of course it was a reply to a statement factual or nonfactual which would be illogical…

if the shape of the park is somewhere in the images, like the Fountain of Youth park in florida, then i think the golden gate park in san francisco has to be it for image 1, and i’m wondering since, the lady in image 12 reminds me so much of the shape of prospect park in new york, maybe that’s the place……?

hi not sure what a lion eating what is, sorry have not read all the threads
p-9 says stl because  purina was founded there, and the co. started on feed for horse and
later dog feed, this is why you, see a dog and a horse leg and checkers,so you know it is stl.
here are links to history, by the way, second link says ,purina bought the blues in 1977.
i think p-9 is stl, but no pos on verse, or park. at least for me, i had thought v-2 because,
of fays delight line, i think of king kong , i thought the zoo area with the big ape sculpt,and then Flowers for Algernon which i think was lower manhatton,n.y.. but found nothing else for, flowers
to go with v-2
the link for dogtown is good if, it is in stl, im sure dude has lots of info, dogtown is called
this because of purina, and a racetrack for dogs is what i think, i read in dogtown link
p-9 STL……….V-?
http://www.agribrands.com/launch.aspx?S … eae545e72e
http://www.purina.com/company/History.aspx
Ralston acquires Missouri Arena Corporation and the St. Louis Blues National Hockey League franchise. in 1977

It’s not a dog, and it’s not a dog-LEG. And that’s
not
the ST. Louis Blues logo.
The picture of the Leg-eating animal is an exact match for a lamp base made at the turn of the century. It depicts a large CAT of some kind–either cougar, lion or puma–with a hoofed animal’s leg protruding from it’s mouth.

Should the finder of the sapphire casque give the aquamarine to Egbert or Siskel?

For those of you who – like me – tried and gave up on it long ago,
Menagerie
has finally been solved. The puzzle and the solution were absolutely brilliant, a model for other treasure hunts to follow.
Of course, compared to
The Secret
it was easy. It only took them 3 years!

Hey all,
Just thought I would take a bit of a survey.  Who is planning to go to a potential casque city to look for and/or dig for a casque this summer?
I will be looking for the Milwaukee casque.  But I won’t be there until July so if Regulus finds it first I will have to change my plans.
digger7

HI, trying to get to SF this summer strictly for a search and  if successful, dig. Hopefully at least for a couple of days. trying to put enough ideas down now to follow up on when I’m there.
Btw, what happened at the zoo in Hermann Park. I read in the thread somewhere that BP confirmed via a pic to start digging? And also about the bulldozer adventure, did that ever pan out?
Thanks

digger7

Hey all,
Just thought I would take a bit of a survey.  Who is planning to go to a potential casque city to look for and/or dig for a casque this summer?
I will be looking for the Milwaukee casque.  But I won’t be there until July so if Regulus finds it first I will have to change my plans.
digger7

I go to SF every couple of months – more in the summer.

We can’t wait to hear about your ideas!

boogieman

edit:oops, Houston is fact too, uh, right?

—– Original Message —–
From:
[email protected]
To:
[email protected]
Subject: Re: verse 1 the secret
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 12:58:49 EDT
In a message dated 5/18/04 12:06:52 PM, wilhouse writes:
<
thx wilhouse>>
there is a treasure in houston. that’s all i can tell you
.
______________________________________________________
—– Original Message —–
From:
[email protected]
To:
[email protected]
Subject: Re: A final plea before it’s too late
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 10:24:32 EDT
it might be there…it would not be a waste of time to dig there, but I cannot make any
guarantees whatsoever
<
in the children’s zoo, it will be destroyed and I will be heartbroken.
Can you at least confirm whether I am in the right location or not? We found the original article on the casque found in chicago
and noticed that you did originally advise the Chicago finders that they were right. If I am in the wrong location, then the clues to
the casque are gone and the hunt is over anyways. Any information that you would be willing to give up would be greatly appreciated.
regards,
wilhouse>>

Cheers.
edit: Wilhouse, i really don’t know I forgot that tidbit.  No offense.

I’m still interested, but haven’t had any time to do anything lately. Maybe this summer I’ll revitalize my research a bit. I read the forum every day too.

still here,and google walking, ,  around the legeater area, looking for clues
doing the clock without a face, threw my back out,so no travleing very far
might have a friend, talked into probing behind the big gate, at the pots
near the entrance of  The Elizabethan Gardens, she is going in june
happy mothers day to all
legeater
http://maps.google.com/maps?ie=UTF8&q=m … loc=A&sa=X

what he said!

^5

Cormac

then I say it is our duty,… nay… our Privledge to solve them in his memory and for the glory of the hunt.

…love it!
{playing inspirational music}

Are you doing nanoWrimo?

Unknown

Unknown:
NY — no, he never said that there is one in NY, but he did say that there is no casque in Central Park.

that is correct sir egg.  I was the one that received that email from BP and he emphatically stated there is no casque in Central Park.  If I remember correctly (dont know if I still have the email) he seemed to skirt the issue of a NY casque.

Congratulations!!

Cormac

Can we read it?

If you want to, sure! I would like to wait until after Dec. 1, however. I’m going to be working on a self-publish deal then. I’ll let you know where and when the ms will be available.
That’s one of the greatest compliments I’ve ever gotten!
Thanks to everyone who gave me encouragement!!

I DID IT. I made it to 50K words, and I’m still writing!
HOORAY!! C’mon Malted!! I know you can do it!

WaHOOOO!  Way to go, Shecrab!

ok I am truly truly impressed.
its not even thanksgiving
wow

Can we read it?

I understand the clay key contained in each casque was intended to be exchanged for the gem, is that right?
I’m wondering what more significance the key holds.  I think Preiss should’ve buried the gems along with each of the casques and be done with it.  Is it simply a security measure to keep the gems safe in a bank vault?  Is there some special significance in using a “key” as the token for exchange?
It’s easy to assume that keys unlock doors or secrets.  Keys are used in some of the illustrations.  The key in image10 as part of a rebus (and possibly for some other purpose), and the keys in image3 anchoring the lines.
As many things as there are that seem to relate to the tops of things, perhaps the hats/skullcaps or helmets that are called “secrets”, maybe there’s a number of “key” alternatives.  A piano is sometimes called “keys”, perhaps that works for the harpsichord reference in verse8.  Keys are also fasteners, pins, or bolts.  Alternatively a key could be a pivotal moment, or a supplemental breakdown of symbols or data as is used in a map legend.

I wonder whether the people behind “The Clock Without A Face” had heard of “The Secret” before designing their own hunt.  Their prizes were physically buried, unique pieces of artwork with (somewhat) valuable gemstones, in small wooden boxes.  Fortunately, they were all found within a year, but even in that time some of the sites suffered from water damage.  They might have benefited from having a claim system using a buried token instead of the treasure.
For TCWAF, they clearly said that the treasure belongs to whomever found it, whether they stumbled upon it or solved the clues.  One could argue that “finders keepers” is just as valid as earning it thru solving clues or even showing proof of your solution.  Even with a token system, someone could find one accidentally and take the prize away from the people who really worked for it. Have there been any hunts which required evidence of participation before a prize was awarded?  (Evidence of purchase is sometimes needed, such as a serial number from a book or registration on a website.)
Did Egbert need to turn in the key to get his prize, or was he only required to show it?

FOX!!

It’s October, time to find the Opal Casque!!!  everyone start workin’ on P9!!!  just tryin to get some posts out there, there hasn’t been one in a week.
-regulus

if i would have saw the post in time…lol

i was looking up  Byron Preiss , to see some more of his work and found this.
not sure what to make of it, as maybe if the answers to secret are in his stuff,
im not sure what the new owner would do with the info
a new twist to ponder i guess
http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog … -for-150k/
i just fig this is an older story and this co. bought the assets
still i wonder if any of the secert is in those assets
http://www.publishersweekly.com/article/CA6399935.html

boogieman

I once had the %$#*@’s to contact JJP and asked him to maybe help with some clues that were no longer there, parks that had been renovated and landmarks torn down.  How embarrassing on my part.  I’m still cringing.  He responded with a kind and heartfelt email.  He remains loyal to BP and the work they did together.  What he may or may not know will stay with him.  (exact locations were a true secret, even from him).  This was pretty neat, he closed with a quote from Einstien.  “The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious”.  He said that it is inspiring that the quest is still going on and he reminds us that “elves can be tricksters you know”.

Was it obvious to everyone that Palencar was dropping a hint about Keats’ Ode to a Nightengale here?
”  As she is fam’d to do, deceiving elf. “

Great, another critic with the ability to say so much and yet make excuses to say nothing at all. My ideas are far from lacking in methodology. Methodology is a work in progress for anyone here and the reality of what is certain and whats pure conjecture is well worn material in these forums.
I hope you have good ideas to share as opposed to whining about my posts.

C’mon, lighten up! I surround myself with characters like yourself. We’re a good breed.
BUT…Basin Street is not a place where people gather in the afternoon like the verse implies. Even you have to admit that the theory is a long stretch at best. Hopefully, we can show the map soon. The weather in NOLA isn’t good for hunting today, though. May send one scout when the rain stops.
Have you ever visited our city? Words cannot describe it.

Lets discuss that theory in the proper image or verse thread.
I am willing to pay a reasonable amount of money for GPR work in select locations. Nobody has taken me up on the offer. Even if they dont like my theory, I’m not sure why they would turn down $2K for a few hours of work. So what if there is a problem with the methodology, people not willing to work for proof of the result is an entirely different problem.

Though I am new to this particular forum, I have seen erexere’s theories on other sites and I admire his lack of methodology to his particular brand of madness. I was like him once, chasing my own tail, until I realized that these hunts are usually just three dimensional, real world puzzles. You put the pieces together in a logical order and the picture appears. No need to go genocidal on all of your brain cells. You may need them one day.

Take a look at GPR images on the net. All you get are wavy lines indicating anomalies. A casque would most likely look like a similarly-sized rock.
Remember also the condition of the Cleveland casque when it was found: the Lucite box was crushed, and the casque and key inside damaged; depending on the materials that intruded (dirt, gravel, water, etc), it could look like just a little muddy thing.
The physical size of the box and casque isn’t that big, something between an eight-inch and ten-inch cube (does anyone have actual measurements?).

verse1 = Houston                         image1 = SF
verse2 =  N.O.                             image2 = charleston
verse3 =  Boston                         image3 = NC-Canada?
verse4 = Cleveland                       image 4 = Cleveland
verse5 = St Louis                         image5 = Chicago
verse6 = charelston                      image6 = Florida
verse7 = SF                                 image7 = New Orleans
verse8 = Milwaukee                      image8 = Houston
verse9 = Florida                           image9 = St Louis-Canada?
verse10 = NY                              image10 = Milwaukee
verse11 = NC                              image11 = Boston-Canada?
verse12 = Chicago                       image12 = NY-Canada?
I would be perfectly content with this scenerio if BP didn’t confirm Canada.  Verses 1,3.4,7,8,9,10,11, and 12 i consider definate.
I absolutely love all the image pairings.  But for one to be in Canada, there has to be some monumental artistic trickery involved here.
Image9 has the dog leg that has only been found in Canada so far.  But BP confirmed St Louis as well.  How many St Louis’ do we have in North America?  Image12 has been linked to canada with the domes (Vancouver), but the 74 in the water confirms NY area.  Image3 I loved for Canada at one time but Manteo island is just about an exact match.  I just checked again.
I would like to see everyone’s best guess for this one.  It’s a tall order, but something may come from it…..I think it’s one of the four above.
I hate this but actually, Boston or the St Louis image.
(be brave everyone!)

Lets start with what we know is not Canadian:
Image 1 is definately SF we know because we found the lat/long
Image 2 is definately Charlston we know this because of the lat/long
Image 4 is Cleveland and has been found
Image 5 is Chicago and has been found
Image 6 is someplace in Florida we know this because the outline of FL appears twice in the image
Image 7 is definately New Orleans we have lat/long on it
Image 8 is definately Houston because Reunion Tower is in the image
Image 10 is definately Milwaukie because of the Milwaukie rebus and city hall
Some of these BP confirmed some these have additional clues and so on but the above is what we know for certain.
This leaves four possible images that could be Canadian
Image 3, 9, 11 and 12
From E-Mails with BP it seams that he strongly hinted to a casque being burried in New York and St. Louis. We should then take his hints at face value.
Image 12 appears to strongly indicate New York and Image 9 appears to indicate St. Louis. the dogleg in Image 9 is almost definately a clue to the 1904 world’s fair.
This then leaves image 3 and 11 as the possible Canadian site. If Image 3 is Canadian then Nova Scotia or Newfundland is the likely location if Image 11 is Canadian then Ottawa is very likely the location.

If you want to look at image3 for Canada, OK.  But you have verse11 dead on for NC.  You’ll then need a new image for that area, in my opinion.  I have a hard time putting any other image down there.  To ponder this, you would first have to agree with V11 being in NC, or convince this board otherwise, somehow…..

Johann

I would love to have us work hard on the St. Louis idea.  Honestly, I am stumped on St. Louis.  I originally thought it was in Tower Grove Park on Grand Blvd. in South St. Louis.  I pinpointed an exact patch of ground.  So, when BP told me it was not the correct location, did he mean not that patch of Tower Grove Park or not Tower Grove Park at all?  I don’t know.

Johann and Fox – I am curious what your reasoning was regarding Tower Grove Park. Apparently there is still a thin chance the casque could be there, giving the wording of BP’s message.

Each casque has 11 unpainted creatures and 1 painted creature, which matches the Image from which it came. Cleveland was the centaur, and Chicago was the troll. Each key in each casque is a different color. Cleveland was orange. Not sure what Chicago was. Under the cover of each casque is a clock, with the time matching the month of the year which the Image represents. Chicago was 5 o’clock, matching May. I am guessing Cleveland says 3 o’clock matching March, but it is in 100 pieces.

Just curious, Eg — did you ever try reassembling it?

No, it would be a large task. It is not like a jigsaw puzzle. Some of the pieces are tiny thin shards, and others have crumbled to a chalk-like dust. I suppose I could try to put together the larger pieces, but I would need Siskel’s large piece to do that. I gave him the largest piece of the cover to keep. He is in New Jersey and I am in Florida. I see him once a year in April, so maybe I can ask to borrow it at that time.

Within a few years you’ll be able to photograph all the pieces, solve the puzzle with a smartphone, and 3D print a new casque.

p-9 is a hoofed animal, looks horse, and animal above the hoof is a dog
please show me link to th lamp or whatever it is you guys are talking about,
as i can not find it, im aware that  2 pics seem exacat, but till another , is found
who can say for sure

Go to p. 44 of the “Image 9” thread. It’s a good place to start.
The real bomb was dropped August 11, 2006 by ravel07 in that thread, but the photo is gone from his post.

forest_blight

Go to p. 44 of the “Image 9” thread. It’s a good place to start.
The real bomb was dropped August 11, 2006 by ravel07 in that thread, but the photo is gone from his post.

The image appears to be there for me.  The link is
http://www.geocities.com/quantpsy/trove/legeater11.jpg

forest_blight

Go to p. 44 of the “Image 9” thread. It’s a good place to start.
The real bomb was dropped August 11, 2006 by ravel07 in that thread, but the photo is gone from his post.

thanks for the link
i see it, and finding another would be, just WOW.
i started looking around the area, and found this
http://www.aviewoncities.com/montreal/s … .htm 
a park named st louis, a few blocks from the legeater
and a park just a few from there mt royle
may need further study

cw0909…
Wow is right!
BP could really have been having a lot of fun, being able to truthfully
say that there is a casque in Canada (Montreal) and in “St. Louis”, Montreal.
These are just a few photos in that park Sq. St-Louis in Montreal….
I cannot make out the writing on the base of the statue.
AP

If they had sold more copies of the Secret close to the casque sites they may have had better luck.

Just thinking out loud (so to speak) and projecting roanoke is correct…
The chicago verse references a street/ave, (where M&B are set in stone and congress) (describing the roads that go on two sides of the park)
The Clevland verse  states , as the road curves… (describing bellfower blvd as it runs into the park)
The roanoke verse – Ride the man of oz and the road that leads to a dark forest. (describing the roads that lead into the park)
So that indicates to me in the verse, there needs to be a reference to a nearby local road leading to the location or bordering it….
even more than that in all 3 the road clue is very very early in the verse, – within the first 3 lines…
something to extrapolate to future verse solves…

That is a good observation.  Don’t forget, not only did the Cleveland V describes the curving of the road, it also had a sort of rhebus puzzle in P4, below the arch and between the columns,  leading us to Bellflower.
now if only we could find Lane 222