Portsmouth seems to be discussed a lot – with a number of different verses.

Choice

Has anyone looked into portsmouth square, next to Hilton, old hall of Justice used to be before 68. Portsmouth just because of her mouth. Columbus Tower/Sentinel Building nearby being her nose.

Her fingers also point to 6 and 8, 1968 was when the old Justice was demolished.

Choice

Has anyone looked into portsmouth square, next to Hilton, old hall of Justice used to be before 68. Portsmouth just because of her mouth. Columbus Tower/Sentinel Building nearby being her nose.

The monument for the first public school in California resembles the large rock in the top left of image 1.

nikesparq

The monument for the first public school in California resembles the large rock in the top left of image 1.

I don’t get it.
Stay away from my sounds from the sky!
viewtopic.php?f=32&t=770&start=2993

Choice

I don’t get it.
Stay away from my sounds from the sky!
viewtopic.php?f=32&t=770&start=2993

No worries, I was referring to the one in D4 of the wiki image.

Lets connect the dots.
Direction from GGB? Another darn clock?!

Choice

Lets connect the dots.
Direction from GGB? Another darn clock?!

https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/de … d955028324

Great point Durian. Negative space in these puzzles give incredible clues if you take the time to see them. Shadows or empty space can give us great information.
I mean, just look at the empty space in n the flower of Image 9, that’s a perfect example.

I agree, many objects and numbers have multiple meanings that’s one of the cool things about these puzzles.
No need for me to include 94122, it doesn’t border the Aquatic Park. Just like for anyone that believes in the GGP location there would be no reason to use 94123.
I refer to her as Russian because she looks just like a Russian lady whose son I train. And mainly because she is dressed in a bath robe that she would wear in the Bath house (Maritime Museum) which is part of the Aquatic Park next to Russian Hill.
Of course the 37 has multiple meanings with latitude and what I believe most of the San Francisco searchers realize, that 1937 was when the Golden Gate Bridge opened

Spiritr

How you know she’s Russian??

From verse 7 thread, this also explains where that opinion comes from, right or wrong:
http://quest4treasure.co.uk/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?p=142209#p142209

From the Litany of the Jewels in the book:
“From far Cathay, the dragon’s Pearl:
Chaste, perfect as the silver moon.”
If you google Cathay, you will see it means “China.”
Image 1 is the one relating to China, so in my opinion, she’s not Russian. The Russian lady is in Image 12.

Egbert

From the Litany of the Jewels in the book:
“From far Cathay, the dragon’s Pearl:
Chaste, perfect as the silver moon.”
If you google Cathay, you will see it means “China.”
Image 1 is the one relating to China, so in my opinion, she’s not Russian. The Russian lady is in Image 12.

Yup…that’s my opinion too, because of the LoJ and the pearl in the image….the topaz in image 12 points it towards the Russian immigration theme.

Guys, I understand that the cathy means China and is the dragon’s pearl. But that doesn’t mean the woman can’t be Russian. I attribute this to the area of the Aquatic Park being at the base of Russian Hill.
If you believe she is Chinese that’s fine too, but doesn’t change my interpretation of the clues. The Pearl is clearly a reference to China and a great deal of Chinese immigrants came here from Angel Island thru Pier 43 (stone wall’s door) and into San Francisco. So whether she’s Russian, Chinese, Korean,…..doesn’t seem to really matter.

MrBackstop

Guys, I understand that the cathy means China and is the dragon’s pearl. But that doesn’t mean the woman can’t be Russian. I attribute this to the area of the Aquatic Park being at the base of Russian Hill.
If you believe she is Chinese that’s fine too, but doesn’t change my interpretation of the clues. The Pearl is clearly a reference to China and a great deal of Chinese immigrants came here from Angel Island thru Pier 43 (stone wall’s door) and into San Francisco. So whether she’s Russian, Chinese, Korean,…..doesn’t seem to really matter.

Well, restating something that has been the ‘usual’, conventional interpretation (up to now), but that doesn’t match your interpretations, isn’t intended to be a personal attack….I hope that’s not the way you took it.
You come up with your own ideas and follow them no matter what anybody else says….which is why I’ve haven’t really stepped in previously to say “I think you’re wrong” or “I disagree”. You wouldn’t listen, no matter the circumstances. And, that’s okay….you’re not the only guy who does that.
So, by all means, follow your own interpretations.
Please, don’t get upset when somebody disagrees.

Durian, I’m not in the camp that believes that things in the puzzles have (or, we’re intended to have) multiple meanings. But, I believe that Mr. Backstop falls in that group of searchers….so, that absolutely fits with what he’s saying and his interpretations. It allows him to reaffirm his assertion that the blue eyes indicate that she’s Russian, even though the bulk of the image is inherently following a Chinese or Asian motif.

MrBackstop

Many of these Images have two numbers that give us latitude and longitude. As I have studied these I realized that some of the second sets of numbers that people say are the other latitude and longitude coordinates, actually have two meanings. Thanks to Macfos for getting me to see these possibilities months ago.

Unknown

Unknown:
For example in San Francisco the 122 and the 123, ….the 123 is not only the next longitude coordinate in line but also a zip code clue for Fort Mason 94123 which is the Western border for the Aquatic Park.

Unknown

Unknown:
Also when it comes to the number 38 in our Russian girl’s hair, that’s the next latitude number in line for San Francisco but it is also important to another border of the Aquatic Park. The South End Rowing Club used to be located on the South End of San Francisco until the boathouse was moved to where it sits today on Jefferson Street in 1938.

Beside those numbers, many different objects and words in the book have multiple meanings as well.
If that’s the case, why excludes the 94122 which is the Inner Sunset district?
How you know she’s Russian?
What about 37, any historic events in 1937 that can apply in favor to your solutions?

Oh Mr EZ you completely misread me. I’m not upset at all my man. I’m just explaining a point I had. If it came off as otherwise I apologize. I used to be upset or even offended when people would disagree or try to destroy my point of view. That’s not the case at all anymore.
I understand that some people believe there are multiple meanings for clues and some do not. I also understand that some people think one number means one thing while I believe there is a lot of flexibility in a number meaning several things. There are also some who believe the blue highlights are nothing more than artistic elements and, that the location of the jewel the in the Image is not a clue. I happen to see the opposite. And to me, this is an advantage to those that close their minds to this possibility.
Until a casque is dug up again that doesn’t matter. So whatever brainstorming you want to do I’m ready. I don’t take things personally and you’re not going to offend me. I worked with Josh, I can work with anybody.

My solution for the numbers are simple
122 and 123 are both Roman numerals , parallel and vertical beneath the mirrored letter G and h .
this set of numbers, were the longitudes(Greenwich).

maltedfalcon

Bruce Lee is much more associated with Oakland than SF.

Speaking
of
Oakland, has anyone studied the downtown Oakland/Lake Merritt area? Most
of
the SF Chinese community migrated to Oakland Chinatown after the 1906 earthquake. There is also a Jackson Street and a few other connections.
Joe Shoong emigrated to the United States from Zhongshan, Guangdong, China when he was 18 or 19 years old (1897 or 1898) and was a rags to riches story. He was a Chinese-American businessman and philanthropist who founded the National Dollar Stores and supported many Chinese organizations. Covering Hawaii and seven western states, by 1959 there were fifty-four stores worth $12 million, with 700 employees. He was one
of
the first Chinese-American millionaires and at one time, according to Time Magazine, was the “richest, best-known Chinese business man in the U.S.” He had other business interests and many philanthropic projects for the Chinese community. (summarized from Wikipedia)
I
have a fun “solve”, but admittedly many
of
the connections did not exist in 1982. Since the Japanese version
of
the book referred to “fairy’s” treasure, there is one place that would be an obvious connection (
of
which the Shoong Foundation has been a major supporter over the years).
I
imagined that BP could have designed Image 1/Verse 7 with the younger audience in mind. Note that a Lunar New Year celebration is held here every year. All
of
the images below were found on Yelp, Google Images and social media. Enjoy!
At stone wall’s door
The air smells sweet
Connection #1: “Sing a Song
of
Sixpence” (“Four and twenty blackbirds, baked in a pie. …The queen was in the parlour, Eating bread and honey…”)
Connection #2: Sugar Plum Tree
Not far away
High posts are three
There are/were three sets with high wooden posts, and perhaps they were all visible from one vantage point.
Education and Justice
For all to see
Sounds from the sky
Connection #1: Hidden speakers in flowers and trees
Connection #2: Macaws
Near ace is high
Based on an old park map, the card maze was in close proximity to the Crusoe set.
Running north, but first across
In jewel’s direction
Is an object
Of
Twain’s attention
No strong connections yet, but a park map from the late 70’s/early 80’s might reveal something. The park entrance is on the north end, so “running north” would lead you out
of
the park.
Giant pole
Giant step
Note the mirrored “D”-shaped planters
There are several image resemblances (and many dragons), but no exact matches. One picture
I
wasn’t able to find was the ticket window area, which is lined with small mosaic tiles. Not sure if there is/was any images in the tile design.

maltedfalcon

Bruce Lee is much more associated with Oakland than SF.

Speaking of Oakland, has anyone studied the downtown Oakland/Lake Merritt area? Most of the SF Chinese community migrated to Oakland Chinatown after the 1906 earthquake. There is also a Jackson Street and a few other connections.
Joe Shoong emigrated to the United States from Zhongshan, Guangdong, China when he was 18 or 19 years old (1897 or 1898) and was a rags to riches story. He was a Chinese-American businessman and philanthropist who founded the National Dollar Stores and supported many Chinese organizations. Covering Hawaii and seven western states, by 1959 there were fifty-four stores worth $12 million, with 700 employees. He was one of the first Chinese-American millionaires and at one time, according to Time Magazine, was the “richest, best-known Chinese business man in the U.S.” He had other business interests and many philanthropic projects for the Chinese community. (summarized from Wikipedia)
I have a fun “solve”, but admittedly many of the connections did not exist in 1982. Since the Japanese version of the book referred to “fairy’s” treasure, there is one place that would be an obvious connection (of which the Shoong Foundation has been a major supporter over the years). I imagined that BP could have designed Image 1/Verse 7 with the younger audience in mind. Note that a Lunar New Year celebration is held here every year. All of the images below were found on Yelp, Google Images and social media. Enjoy!
At stone wall’s door
The air smells sweet
Connection #1: “Sing a Song of Sixpence” (“Four and twenty blackbirds, baked in a pie. …The queen was in the parlour, Eating bread and honey…”)
Connection #2: Sugar Plum Tree
Not far away
High posts are three
There are/were three sets with high wooden posts, and perhaps they were all visible from one vantage point.
Education and Justice
For all to see
Sounds from the sky
Connection #1: Hidden speakers in flowers and trees
Connection #2: Macaws
Near ace is high
Based on an old park map, the card maze was in close proximity to the Crusoe set.
Running north, but first across
In jewel’s direction
Is an object
Of Twain’s attention
No strong connections yet, but a park map from the late 70’s/early 80’s might reveal something. The park entrance is on the north end, so “running north” would lead you out of the park.
Giant pole
Giant step
Note the mirrored “D”-shaped planters
There are several image resemblances (and many dragons), but no exact matches. One picture I wasn’t able to find was the ticket window area, which is lined with small mosaic tiles. Not sure if there is/was any images in the tile design.

Lafitte

I too thought this and posted as such many moons ago…

Just came across this tower while mulling over V2 (“the place where jewels abound”). As a piece of historical SF trivia, it’s quite interesting. Some of the “novagems” (100,000 of them were used in decorating the structure) look familiar.
http://www.sanfranciscomemories.com/ppi … ewels.html

JoshCornell

well, im worlds further than anyone else in this game, and only one person is even close (a few others have right idea)…so your doubt is meaningless to me when i know im right cause the puzzle told me so…so…

JoshCornell

well, im worlds further than anyone else in this game, and only one person is even close (a few others have right idea)…so your doubt is meaningless to me when
i
know im right cause the puzzle told me so…so…

well, im worlds further than anyone else in this game, and only one person is even close (a few others have right idea)…so your doubt is meaningless to me when i know im right cause the puzzle told me so…so…

well, im worlds further than anyone else in this game, and only one person is even close (a few others have right idea)…so your doubt is meaningless to me when
i
know im right cause the puzzle told me so…so…

Goldengate

Oh good! Another quote to add to this small selection of Josh’s greatest claims!

GG, please stop curating and repeating posts which were deleted for a reason. This is clutter and it is not helping.

Goldengate

Oh good! Another quote to add to this small selection
of
Josh’s greatest claims!

GG, please stop curating and repeating posts which were deleted for a reason. This is clutter and it is not helping.

I’m still in favor of Pioneer Park / Coit Tower for our casque site, but I wonder if anyone has considered the Sutro Bath ruins, just north of the Cliff House in San Francisco. There are thousands of pictures online at flickr.com and webshots.com. It is a place of stunning beauty. Plenty of
stone walls
… there’s even a
giant pole
and some
giant steps
. The seal rocks near the Cliff House and Sutro Baths remind one of P1.

I was wondering if anyone has studied Palencar’s evolving signature (devolving perhaps) throughout years.
I’m asking so I don’t waste too much time researching this.
I’m bugged by his spelled out signature on image 1 where others don’t have any or just initials.
Could the shape of the signature be a clue? Notice the fish/shark-like Jesus-fish shape in the yellow rectangle. Also the extended curved R.
A cursory glance at a few websites, including
http://www.johnjudepalencar.com/
I noticed he normally signs his illustrations and paintings (if at all) with printed letters.
I also noticed he has the image 5 (Castle Hat) with his full signature:
Here are some sample of his signatures:

maltedfalcon, did you see this fence around the garden? it’s a picket fence like in tom sawyer…seems perfect…but i’m not sure as i’m not there, but i would walk all around this fence
http://travel.webshots.com/photo/237190 … 4002jQcUpy
lol, that makes me feel just like tom sawyer in the story, he got others to want to paint the fence……
.

Here is how I see the dragon – with the crossed arms being the bay bridge.
The roadway on treasure island is called “Serpentine”
Just a working theory.  Nothing solid.
But it is very close to Coit Tower and Candlestick Park.(3-M for the youngsters)

I agree BP would not have broke in. Big question. Was the Tea Garden and Moon garden walled and gated all around to the point he could not have sneaked in back in 1980.
Though it is not likely it could have been an inside job with the people that ran the park.
For now I still beleive the Image 1 Verse 7 match. Yes I have read all the new posts by Fox.
A good way to help us know if this is the Tea Garden is the spot is to try to get them to let us probe not dig in the area that verse 7 seams to take us too.

I visited the Tea Garden many times in the 70’s as I lived in oakland then. and yes it always has had a wall around it
since it was created in the 40’s  The wall of a japanese garden is there to isolate the space and remove and separate it from the surrounding world. It wouldnt be a japanese garden without one.
If the soil is like any other soil in golden gate park, (and Im sure it is) there is about 1 foot of soil over sand. (flower beds probably have deeper soil.) but paths and walkways wouldnt.
and while you can stick a probe through the soil as soon as you hit the sand it stops, doesnt matter whether the sand it wet or dry, it just compacts at the tip of the probe and stops it. Probes are useless in GoldenGate park for that reason.

Goonie68

blackwood movie plot

There was (may be still is) a similar looking statue at Old St. Mary’s Church in Chinatown.

anus905

I’m actually currently writing about this monument, its not the pole, but its in the puzzle.

FYI the lady at the top is Alma Spreckles – Wife of the sugar magnate

Goldengate

I’m sure you did, big fella. (Thanks goes out to Goonie for this perfect recreation of your triumphant “discovery” of the SF casque)

OMG Thank you so much for sharing this!!!

MrSeabass

No no no no no. A vague reference to a vague reference to a vague reference to a vague reference to a vague reference to a vague reference to a vague reference is
meaningless
. Don’t do that.

Don’t tell me what to do Snow White
Ok. The lady has a bump on her wrist. If she is anatomically correct, that would be her ulna bone.
Ok. The painting has moons. The etymology of moon is Luna.
I consider that pretty straight forward. If you all can count squares on her sleeves because her fingers point to it, I can bring up the bump on her wrist. That bump can be related to a very famous painting. Oh yea, that is too vague. Please strike that.

erexere

Chaste and pure silver = Adam and Eve or silver’s purity of 999, suggesting some special significance to the Dragon puzzle? Very loose idea. One might wonder ofnthe alchemical symbols or the “Hg” could be a metallic hint

The alchemical symbol for silver is the moon. MrSeabass said that was a vague reference, but I dinna ken

maltedfalcon

The Powell & Hyde turnaround, on Powell and Beach? Wasn’t that was built between 1982 and 1984?
when I was in High School, the turnaround was actually out in the intersection of beach and powell. they moved it off to the side to lessen the impact on traffic while they loaded people.

Thanks Falcon, this is great info. I just started looking at historical photos and see that the turnaround was right next to and parallel to Beach Street. It was moved to a 45 degree angle in 1982-84. So it doesn’t change my solve location but does make me need to adjust the actual digspot. Let me get back to it with this new info.

MrSeabass

I don’t understand the obsession of linking the bell to the cable car. We know it in San Francisco already; linking it to a cable car does nothing. May as well find references to BART or Emperor Norton in the image.

Why Preiss juxtaposes obvious city indicators with more subtle ones, and why he felt the need for 5+ city indicators and like 0 dig site indicators, always baffled me. The only explanation is that it’s a good sales tactic: Get people super excited thar they found a clue without actually revealong anything new is a great way to sell books without risking a solve drying up the consumerism

MrSeabass

Don’t ever reply to me.

Don’t forget, if you add someone to your foes list, you won’t see their posts or replies. Just other people quoting them.
Unless the forum goes down and needs to be reset, then you have to redo your foes list. But when has the forum EVER DONE THAT

Triple Post! I’m a giant step from feeling at home plate!
Can someone please link to the SF facebook. I am supwr old and dumb and thus cannot find it through searching

MrSeabass

I don’t understand the obsession of linking the bell to the cable car. We know it in San Francisco already; linking it to a cable car does nothing. May as well find references to BART or Emperor Norton in the image.

Linking to a cable car might not get you anywhere in particular, but linking to a cable car turnaround (indicated by the table top) would get you to one of three locations: Powell & Market, Aquatic Park or Bay & Taylor. Isn’t there a popular theory about Cleveland and Chicago establishing a pattern of a single street leading from a prominent local landmark (water tower, terminal tower) to the location where the verse takes over? Using one of the turnarounds this way requires accepting the landmark-street-verse theory, which I’m not 100% persuaded by, but we are really lacking something to bridge the gap between cities and local hunting grounds, especially with clues as omnipresent as walls, steps, poles, orbs and spirals.

Goldengate

Here you go, grandpa:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1285391081604941/

Thank you!

My 2 cents on the bell….
The “clock” is a alarm clock this is why it has a bell on the top of it. It’s pretty clear that this is a old fashion alarm clock. The reason why I think this is in the illustration is that it is telling you a time. Alarm clocks are meant for a specific time for one to wake up or to be aware of time. In the past(1980) before we were a 24/7 society we used this type of clock to wake up early. I believe the clock is telling us (by the alarm) to be somewhere early. We have the number 6 on the clock. Month of June. The alarm tells us early, now we are looking at early June. This falls with being in the park in early June to witness all the gardens in full bloom. Hence the “air smells sweet” or the rose in the illustration. Flowers don’t bloom during winter. BP wanted us to be in the parks in spring and summer. This is why he said that he thought the casques would be found with in 6 months. You would not be looking for a casque in winter under 10 feet of snow.

Unknown

Unknown:
Using one of the turnarounds this way requires accepting the landmark-street-verse theory,

I think it’s the landmark-street-park theory, but Maltedfalcon is the one to ask. He’s the originator and biggest fan as far as I know. Alternatively, one can search some of his earlier posts to see how it originated and developed over time. While tedious, it is still the best way to understand certain time-honored aspects of this puzzle.

MrSeabass

…10 feet of snow. In
San Francisco
.

Ok NOT SF I guess you don’t get my point.

erexere

I am back to thinking the Dewey monument is our Giant Pole

Old post, but are you still looking at Union Square…? I was just wondering about the bell idea and came across the annual cable car bell ringing contest that takes place there…(you probably saw that already).
http://www.cable-car-guy.com/html/ccsfbell.html

Unknown

Unknown:
I guess you don’t get my point.

I’m not sure I get the point either, but my opinion is that with regard to the six casques south of the Mason Dixon Line, all of them could have been retrieved day or night, 365 days a year, especially if you had permission. The dig spot is not dependent on seasons, shadows, or phases of the moon. I think this is also true of the casques north of the Mason Dixon Line, as long as you understand that digging in Milwaukee or Montreal in February, while not impossible, is not nearly as pleasant as digging there in June. But that’s just common sense.

…10 feet of snow. In
San Francisco
.
Ok NOT SF I guess you don’t get my point.
Seeing as there’s other clocks in the images that point to different times of day, your theory holds no water.
Ok so let’s take Boston in winter, will you be able to dig out a casque?

Goldengate

Not sure I’d chase Union Square for a number of reasons — namely, it’s mega public — as in one of the most publicly open and busy places in San Francisco — and it’s been extensively renovated and dug up multiple times since the 80s.

It has been entirely replaced, the building underneath ( a parking structure) was completely torn out and rebuit union square is actually the roof of a new parking structure.
there is no (zero) dirt/trees/grass that is original there.

…10 feet of snow. In
San Francisco
.
Ok NOT SF I guess you don’t get my point.
Seeing as there’s other clocks in the images that point to different times of day, your theory holds no water.
I would love to hear your theory way being in SF during peak of the blooming process holds no water, with a ROSE as a focal point in the illustration? Or your theory about the bell? IF you think I am so off…..

MrSeabass

You can in New Orleans, Charleston, Roanoke, San Francisco, St. Augustine, and Houston. And again, other images has a clock pointed at totally different times – NYC has a clock at 11:00. Which invalidates any credibility with your ‘6:00 means dig in June’ theory.

Well, as far as I can see those puzzle DO not have a flower as a focal point to the puzzle, so the flower is a key in SF, or would you not agree?

MrSeabass

Yayyyyy it’s the “you can’t criticize my theory without telling me your own” game, I
love
playing this…

Now it’s a game? I am totally fine with criticism, but back it up, explain your point, and not just say it hold no water……

MrSeabass

Scroll up and read. Multiple clocks in the images. Multiple times represented. Multiple cities that rarely ever see snow.

Ok so maybe this got away from what I was trying to say. The Rose in SF is very focal. I am using this as a identifying image support. Roses are in bloom during June. That is a Fact, so using the time, it will give an actual flower to look at instead of a reference. As far as other puzzles clocks and what ever else has nothing to do with SF, my bad if it sounded like all puzzle had to be of the same criteria.

O think the spiral stem on the rose is its most significant feature, matching some stone facade or ironwork.

I think the larger principle here might be that the birthstones, birth flowers and month indicators (clock times included) are all part of an overarching organizational scheme (an image for each of the 12 months of the year), but do not do double duty as clues to the individual treasures. This scheme could be part of a yet to be determined key to image/verse pairing, or some other “grand puzzle”, or it could be an unrelated diversion, perhaps a more user friendly puzzle to mask the comparative inscrutability of everything else. I think anyone making a case for the flowers, gemstones (including position in the image) or numbers being clues to casque locations should try to show how these elements pertain to Chicago or Cleveland. Do the warts on the Chicago face relate to points on a map, positions of monuments, number of steps to take, anything? Was March the optimal time to do the Cleveland dig?

MrSeabass

They have been blooming since
March
, and they bloom multiple times throughout the year all they way to fall months.

Well, I have been in the Park from January to a couple weeks ago and the roses are not in bloom. The park cuts the vines, which they start to bloom in May typically. If the vines are not cut they will start to bloom in early march.

MrSeabass

So the roses bloom in March and not June. Thanks for proving my point.
Just stop with this theory and move on to something else more grounded.

Stop? you don’t have to chime in if you don’t want to…
Did you not read what I said….I was there a couple of weeks ago and nothing is in bloom….how is that proving your point? So at this point we can agree to disagree and I am fine with that. But thanks for your opinion. You have something more grounded cool, like to share ?

MrSeabass

You’re missing my point – if we already know it’s in San Francisco, how does tying
anything
to the cable car help at all? Unless someone can make an argument that it’s buried in a park along a cable car path (Union, Hampton, Wharf), then we’re wasting time on circular logic.

The Cable Car, the Turntable and the Bell all help because I believe the casque is buried at the Powell & Hyde Turnaround. The 6 on the clock tells you that the dig spot is just below the wall and above the sidewalk underneath the actual turntable. The image of the golden pearl on the lady’s neck shows the approximate area for where the casque is buried in the landscape area. Her chin is the circular platform of the turnaround and her collar is the sidewalk going around the turntable.
That’s why the Cable Car and other references are more important than simply being a waymarker.

WhiteRabbit

Old post, but are you still looking at Union Square…? I was just wondering about the bell idea and came across the annual cable car bell ringing contest that takes place there…(you probably saw that already).
http://www.cable-car-guy.com/html/ccsfbell.html

I’m actually currently writing about this monument, its not the pole, but its in the puzzle.

I was in sf up till mar 4th and the roses were not even close to blooming, so they will not bloom until at least may.

the rose, clock and spiral stem together relate to Vertigo.

MrBackstop

The Cable Car, the Turntable and the Bell all help because I believe the casque is buried at the Powell & Hyde Turnaround. The 6 on the clock tells you that the dig spot is just below the wall and above the sidewalk underneath the actual turntable. The image of the golden pearl on the lady’s neck shows the approximate area for where the casque is buried in the landscape area. Her chin is the circular platform of the turnaround and her collar is the sidewalk going around the turntable.
That’s why the Cable Car and other references are more important than simply being a waymarker.

The Powell & Hyde turnaround, on Powell and Beach? Wasn’t that was built between 1982 and 1984?
when I was in High School, the turnaround was actually out in the intersection of beach and powell. they moved it off to the side to lessen the impact on traffic while they loaded people.

MrSeabass

…
Well, I have been in the Park from January to a couple weeks ago and the roses are not in bloom.
The park cuts the vines
, which they start to bloom in May typically.
If the vines are not
cut they will start to bloom in early march.
would be helpful you if used the quote bottom correctly and not half quotes.

its not at the turnaround backstop, that’s not even a reasonable location lol.
you do ride the cable car though.

treetops

I think the larger principle here might be that the birthstones, birth flowers and month indicators (clock times included) are all part of an overarching organizational scheme (an image for each of the 12 months of the year), but do not do double duty as clues to the individual treasures. This scheme could be part of a yet to be determined key to image/verse pairing

Unknown

Unknown:
Preiss was a very good poker player, and was not giving out any hints about any of the other locations. However, he did confirm my theory that the countries of origin of the faeries do connect with the sites.

…yep, the clock times and flowers confirm the gems via the month, and the gems confirm nationalities via the litany, in a definitive way. Image style and elements also tie in with the nationalities. And the nationalities tie in with casque locations, as BP confirmed to Eg.
I don’t recall any evidence that the flowers, times, months, zodiac signs, etc., offer any other useful information, beyond their part in the nationalities scheme.

This is the Rose Garden last week.
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I don’t recall any evidence that the flowers, times, months, zodiac signs, etc., offer any other useful information, beyond their part in the nationalities scheme.
Why would we need a birthstone and a flower in the image? All we need is one or the other to determine what month we need. To me BP is adding the flowers for a reason.

I’m very new to this hunt. I was encouraged to learn that one of jewels might be hidden in San Francisco, since I go there a few days a week for work. I grabbed the hi-res image files and started perusing Image 1.
The first thing that struck me was the reversed G-h, which looks just like the first two letters of the Ghirardelli logo. It’s the same typestyle and everything.
It also makes sense for it to be reversed. If you stand behind Ghirardelli Square looking toward the Bay, the logo appears backwards just like that.
In the image the pearl is right above the G-h. Perhaps that means the jewel is hidden just beyond the front of Ghirardelli Square, which would put it in Aquatic Park.
Line two of Verse 7 says “the air is sweet” which is a great tie-in with Ghirardelli Square. You can smell chocolate being made from quite a few spots there. In fact many of the lines in Verse 7 fit well with an Aquatic park location.
The more I read that verse and looked at the image and pegged each item, the more conviced I became. I thought myself pretty clever at that point. Then I finally read the full threads about Image 1 and Verse 7 and saw that catherwood and others went down this road long before I did!
In any case I was still curious enough to do a drive-by of the Ghirardelli/Aquatic Park area this morning on my way to work. I got a little more info, but not enough to really confirm or deny this as the jewel’s location.
In any case, here’s my analysis of the elements of Image 1 with Aquatic Park in mind:
All in favor:
122, 123, 38
– SF is between 122 and 123 latitude, and at 37.5 longitude
Reversed G-h
– Looks like the Ghirardelli sign, seen from the back.
The curled rose stem
– Similar to the curve of the Municipal Pier at Aquatic Park. (The final curve of the dragon’s tail is also similar, BTW). Here’s a map:
http://data2.itc.nps.gov/parks/safr/ppM … mapm%2Ejpg
Circular tabletop
– This reminded me of a cable car turnaround circle, of which there is one in Aquatic Park, at the end of Hyde Street. This is the main reason I went over there to have a look. Yup, it has a wide metal ring like the tabletop.
Maybe:
Window in the cliffs
– There are many arched windows at and around Ghirardelli Square. They are either done in brick or cement though. If you look out from Ghirardelli “in jewel’s direction” you see Alcatraz — could the barred window just be symbolic of that?
The cliffs themselves
– There aren’t any cliffs like this near Aquatic Park. Alcatraz has a few rocky cliffs but they aren’t very tall. The cliffs around Cliff House or the Marin Headlands are better matches.
Points against:
Lamppost under table
– Aquatic Park has some pretty fancy lampposts, but they are not an exact macth
The Dragon
– Seems like a definite Chinatown reference, but Chinatown is at least a dozen blocks away from Ghirardelli. Could the dragon just be there to help make the China/Pearl/SF connection?
Other symbols on the robe
– The 1-2-2 and 1-2-3 symbols make sense as latitude numbers. The symbols aren’t just there for show are they? No one has offered any ideas about them yet, and I’m stumped too.
So the visual evidence isn’t 100% convincing, but there are some strong elements. Is it as strong as the GG Park connection? maltedfalcon has found other bits of visual evidence –the lake outline, the Lincoln profile — that seem to favor GG Park instead.
However when you bring Verse 7 into it, I think the Aquatic Park connection gets stronger. I’ll post that analysis over on the Verse 7 thread.
Thanks,
Rob

I
‘m very new to this hunt.
I
was encouraged to learn that one
of
jewels might be hidden in San Francisco, since
I
go there a few days a week for work.
I
grabbed the hi-res image files and started perusing Image 1.
The first thing that struck me was the reversed G-h, which looks just like the first two letters
of
the Ghirardelli logo. It’s the same typestyle and everything.
It also makes sense for it to be reversed. If you stand behind Ghirardelli Square looking toward the Bay, the logo appears backwards just like that.
In the image the pearl is right above the G-h. Perhaps that means the jewel is hidden just beyond the front
of
Ghirardelli Square, which would put it in Aquatic Park.
Line two
of
Verse 7 says “the air is sweet” which is a great tie-in with Ghirardelli Square. You can smell chocolate being made from quite a few spots there. In fact many
of
the lines in Verse 7 fit well with an Aquatic park location.
The more
I
read that verse and looked at the image and pegged each item, the more conviced
I
became.
I
thought myself pretty clever at that point. Then
I
finally read the full threads about Image 1 and Verse 7 and saw that catherwood and others went down this road long before
I
did!
In any case
I
was still curious enough to do a drive-by
of
the Ghirardelli/Aquatic Park area this morning on my way to work.
I
got a little more info, but not enough to really confirm or deny this as the jewel’s location.
In any case, here’s my analysis
of
the elements
of
Image 1 with Aquatic Park in mind:
All in favor:
122, 123, 38
– SF is between 122 and 123 latitude, and at 37.5 longitude
Reversed G-h
– Looks like the Ghirardelli sign, seen from the back.
The curled rose stem
– Similar to the curve
of
the Municipal Pier at Aquatic Park. (The final curve
of
the dragon’s tail is also similar, BTW). Here’s a map:
http://data2.itc.nps.gov/parks/safr/ppM … mapm%2Ejpg
Circular tabletop
– This reminded me
of
a cable car turnaround circle,
of
which there is one in Aquatic Park, at the end
of
Hyde Street. This is the main reason
I
went over there to have a look. Yup, it has a wide metal ring like the tabletop.
Maybe:
Window in the cliffs
– There are many arched windows at and around Ghirardelli Square. They are either done in brick or cement though. If you look out from Ghirardelli “in jewel’s direction” you see Alcatraz — could the barred window just be symbolic
of
that?
The cliffs themselves
– There aren’t any cliffs like this near Aquatic Park. Alcatraz has a few rocky cliffs but they aren’t very tall. The cliffs around Cliff House or the Marin Headlands are better matches.
Points against:
Lamppost under table
– Aquatic Park has some pretty fancy lampposts, but they are not an exact macth
The Dragon
– Seems like a definite Chinatown reference, but Chinatown is at least a dozen blocks away from Ghirardelli. Could the dragon just be there to help make the China/Pearl/SF connection?
Other symbols on the robe
– The 1-2-2 and 1-2-3 symbols make sense as latitude numbers. The symbols aren’t just there for show are they? No one has offered any ideas about them yet, and
I
‘m stumped too.
So the visual evidence isn’t 100% convincing, but there are some strong elements. Is it as strong as the GG Park connection? maltedfalcon has found other bits
of
visual evidence –the lake outline, the Lincoln profile — that seem to favor GG Park instead.
However when you bring Verse 7 into it,
I
think the Aquatic Park connection gets stronger.
I
‘ll post that analysis over on the Verse 7 thread.
Thanks,
Rob

Here’s an additional thought about Ghirardelli:
The style of the G-h symbol is so close to the Ghirardelli sign style that if it does not represent Ghirardelli then it is either:
1) a deliberate red herring, or
2) a general confirmer meant to indicate the city of San Francisco.
If the G-h is meant to indicate something else, like Great Highway as maltedfalcon suggested, then the typestyle and the lowercase h would be intentional misdirection by the artist. Have there been deliberate red herrings like that in either of the two solved puzzles? I don’t think so.
As a general confirmer it is pretty weak, I think, since Ghirardelli isn’t a major landmark on the scale of, say, the Golden Gate Bridge. Ghirardelli also provides the strongest tie-in with Verse 7 – “the air smells sweet” – which makes it a pivotal clue.
This all tells me that the G-h is likely to mean that the jewel is hidden near Ghirardelli Square (as opposed to Golden Gate Park, which is pretty far away).
By the way, here’s a link to an overview illustration of Ghirardelli Square, showing the big sign:
http://www.ghirardellisq.com/history/walking.html
Any other thoughts on this?

Here’s an additional thought about Ghirardelli:
The style
of
the G-h symbol is so close to the Ghirardelli sign style that if it does not represent Ghirardelli then it is either:
1) a deliberate red herring, or
2) a general confirmer meant to indicate the city
of
San Francisco.
If the G-h is meant to indicate something else, like Great Highway as maltedfalcon suggested, then the typestyle and the lowercase h would be intentional misdirection by the artist. Have there been deliberate red herrings like that in either
of
the two solved puzzles?
I
don’t think so.
As a general confirmer it is pretty weak,
I
think, since Ghirardelli isn’t a major landmark on the scale
of
, say, the Golden Gate Bridge. Ghirardelli also provides the strongest tie-in with Verse 7 – “the air smells sweet” – which makes it a pivotal clue.
This all tells me that the G-h is likely to mean that the jewel is hidden near Ghirardelli Square (as opposed to Golden Gate Park, which is pretty far away).
By the way, here’s a link to an overview illustration
of
Ghirardelli Square, showing the big sign:
http://www.ghirardellisq.com/history/walking.html
Any other thoughts on this?

arrggh…Just what we need more very convincing ideas for SF leading to a completley different location.  I really do like the idea of the Gh being from the sign as viewed from the back.
Thanks for the great ideas 88 and welcome to the hunt!

arrggh…Just what we need more very convincing ideas for SF leading to a completley different location.
I
really do like the idea
of
the Gh being from the sign as viewed from the back.
Thanks for the great ideas 88 and welcome to the hunt!

All of what you say is interesting. I agree that the casque is definitely in the Golden Gate Park. I looked at maps of the park online and they match the design on the kimono matched the park map. The thing of it is all of the other clues in the image seam to point to the Tea Garden and less likely the Moon Garden.
Add to this the fact that verse 7 matches the tea garden to the letter.
If our thinking is right then there is one of three ways BP could have got in and burried the casque unnoticed. In the order of possibility
The first is that he went to a party or other gathering held in the tea garden after hours and snuck off to burry the casque.
The second is he got lucky and was in the park in the middle of the night and the park was acessable due to maitnance etc
And the third is that this was an inside job. BP knew somebody he trusted that somehow got him into the garden after hours.
Regardless of how he may have got in the garden and back out the next question is if it is in the garden how hard would it have been for someone during the day to get into the garden to dig. Were their fees to pay to get in. was their an attendant watching over the place etc ?

I have reorganized my photos by location (mostly).
http://www.cobbcrew.org/TheSecret

slappybuns

maltedfalcon, did you see this fence around the garden? it’s a picket fence like in tom sawyer…seems perfect…but i’m not sure as i’m not there, but i would walk all around this fence

Yes absolutely you can walk around that fence  and many others just like it. That is the kind of fence that surrounds various areas inside the garden.
The fence around the garden is more like a 8 foot wall with a gate building in the front and a service entrance in the back.
http://www.panoramio.com/photo/3066248

scottrocks7

If our thinking is right then there is one of three ways BP could have got in and burried the casque unnoticed. In the order of possibility
The first is that he went to a party or other gathering held in the tea garden after hours and snuck off to burry the casque.
The second is he got lucky and was in the park in the middle of the night and the park was acessable due to maitnance etc
And the third is that this was an inside job. BP knew somebody he trusted that somehow got him into the garden after hours.

Again no casques were buried in public or private gardens…. kind of kills the chances for either the tea garden or moon garden both of which are public gardens…
BP doesn’t mention needing permission to dig out – which he does for another casque
Another observation- in the two solutions that are known, there are no verbal gymnastics.
i.e. When he says “as the road curves” he meant over by where the road curves.
When he says “seek the sounds of rumble” it meant near a train track…
So I suspect when he says At stone wall’s door, he means a stone wall not stone’s wall or stonewall’s
when he says aces high, he either means 1 or an actual ace, associating ace with a jack in the game of 21 and then leaping to a big JAX sign is a bit much of a leap for me.
So while I think image 1 associates with verse 7  or possibly verse 6, I suspect that when it is solved the solution will also lack verbal gymnastics and be very plain.

http://www.cobbcrew.org/TheSecret/ggparkmap-overlay.jpg
The map seems to fit best in this orientation. This puts the yin-yang symbol near the Senior Center (Fulton & 37th).

jimerson!  it’s good to know you are still out there!  since you live there, something we say might click for you even if we say it totally out of ignorance!
i can understand why you are trying somewhere different than GGP because of it saying “cathay”, and that’s china and not japan……but
because the whole picture seems like the map to GGP, i want to stay there
maybe baker street is the “air smells sweet”
and the asian museum was right by the de young museum (or was it a wing in the de young museum?)
and the rose garden is right by #1 and it is across the street from the museums (off of john f. kennedy dr., education and justice?) (or that could be for lincoln way..)
and if you use the rose on the table for the rose garden and her cuff as a road in the park, then maybe it is close to the museums
and in the book it say’s “slender,
golden
people”
all the moons, and it having a moon viewing garden…
near “ace is high”…..the casino near the conservatory, constructed by the Daemon brothers, lol (daemon runyon) ?:
http://www.outsidelands.org/casino.php
right now i’m torn between both areas of the park, because i like the golf courses, because i think BP played, and i think admunsen (north and south pole)(but he is norwegian)  is somewhere around there
http://www.hmdb.org/marker.asp?marker=21336
there’s a big light pole there
and it is close to the Great Highway that Malted likes (Gh)
i am liking the “running”  for a jogging trail  🙂
but, anyway, i’m glad you are still hunting
this is neat about sutro:
http://www.hmdb.org/Marker.asp?Marker=21262
placed by “native sons of the golden west”
is there a unicorn in GGP…they are a symbol of chastity , maybe the carousel

I didn’t dig under the horse’s tail. I was thinking “giant pole” as the tree at the top of the hill above the horse and “giant step” would be the horse taking a step, and one of the front feet is up, kind of taking a step. But that “dirt” was very solid even after I soaked it with 5 gallons of water. The Horseshoe Pits have been recently restored so I doubt permission would be granted to dig now. I am convinced Malted’s method of following a path and iconic image is correct. I think GGP on the dress is the icon, therefore not the treasure ground. And I am still sticking with verse 7. My next trip will be to China Beach Park just because I like the name and the bridge can be seen from there.

jstarr

Freedom at the birth of a century – paraphrase of lines from Lincoln’s Gettysburg Address – “…this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom”

Unknown

Unknown:
One of Sun’s major legacies was his political philosophy, the Three Principles of the People…Sun often said that the formulation of Lincoln’s Gettysburg Address, “government of the people, by the people, for the people”, had been the inspiration for the Three Principles of the People

White house close at hand

http://www.flickr.com/photos/judywatt/7166461/
symbol of purity, virginal
hey guys, i might not be far off with the unicorn, look, it’s the symbol for the yin/yang in chinese:
and remember there is one in the dress
“The Chinese unicorn does not have the fierceness of western unicorns; it is gentle, not even treading on a blade of grass. Its backward horn is fleshy-tipped, indicating it was not used for attack. The creature is the legendary  (orKy-lin Ki-lin or Qilin) of China, one of the Four Spiritually Endowed Creatures. Its appearance is that of a deer-like animal with scales, an oxtail, and a furry horn on its forehead.
It is a yin-yang (ki – male, lin – female) fertility symbol of wisdom, gentleness, benevolence, good will, felicity, longevity,….”
http://www.likeacat.com/Unicorn-Symbolism_ep_72-1.html
or maybe where  the yin-yang symbol, (carosel) SE part of park, rose  garden-Middle North of park, then the pearl would be over by stanyan street or fulton street (
an object of twain’s attention- fulton steamboat?
just thinking

jimerson

My next trip will be to China Beach Park just because I like the name.

Unknown

Unknown:
Have some cool clear water
(Drink a little drip drip drip drip drink a little)
(Water coolin’ me)

(OK, I’ll abandon SF’s Lafayette for now.)
Fresh look at Verse 6 / Image 1
Consider Chicago. As far as I understand, it worked like this.
1
Where M and B are set in stone
– Symphony Hall
2
And to Congress, R is known
–  Roosevelt University
3
L sits and left
– Lincoln
4
Beyond his shoulder
– Casque
There doesn’t seem to be a particularly logical trail in these first few lines – they just indicate various landmarks close to the spot. Or at any rate, Roosevelt overshoots the trail a bit.
Apply a similar reasoning to V6:
Of all the romance retold
Men of tales and tunes
Cruel and bold
Seen here
By eyes of old
(Paraphrase of Stevenson’s Treasure Island.)
Stevenson statue – 1
Or May 1913
Edwin and Edwina named after him
(May 1913 and Edwin/Edwina both connect with Edwin Booth. May 1913 was the foundation of ‘Equity’, which took root at his house.)
Edwin Booth plaque – 2.
Freedom at the birth of a century
Together with 1913, hints at the Emancipation Proclamation. There are a couple of streets shown on the above map which might connect with this – Clay St, below (1) (named after Henry Clay, who helped to draft it) or Quincy St, by St Mary’s (“President Abraham Lincoln based the Emancipation Proclamation on
John Quincy’s
arguments”).
Was wondering about St Mary’s Square – has a statue of
Sun Yat-Sen
.
* * * * *
Sounds like an interesting spot. Was recently wondering about V6s “cool, clear song of water” and
Cool, Cool Water
by the Beach Boys.

Hey all…
Just wondering if anyone has any thoughts as to what the symbols on the shoulders mean? The Circle, Square (her Right shoulder) and Square, Triangle (her Left shoulder).
They are a gaping hole in my theory, and it’s annoy the heck out of me.
I have looked into survey marks, hobo code, Numerical code (0, 4, 4, 3), direction (NSEW- renders one illegible order), and using it as a key to work out another code on the image, plus I have searched other people’s theories (this part is commonly left undecoded.) I have also investigated these in reverse orders due to the mirrored hG.
There seems to be no connection between the symbols and the verses either, so may be boots on ground contextualised.
All to no avail. Does anyone have any novel ideas outside of the ones already posted by me or others?
X

found some stuff, cant say yes here is where its at
fort point, zoom in on A
looks sorta like the outline of the lady and robe, if you take a walk on the bridge, and look
toward fort mason, you can see the wharf, alactraz
http://maps.google.com/maps?sourceid=na … e&resnum=1
this flagpole is near fort point, screenshot it from walking
around bridge, the clock is at toll point at entrance to bridge from
the fort side

found some stuff, cant say yes here is where its at
fort point, zoom in on A
looks sorta like the outline
of
the lady and robe, if you take a walk on the bridge, and look
toward fort mason, you can see the wharf, alactraz
http://maps.google.com/maps?sourceid=na … e&resnum=1
this flagpole is near fort point, screenshot it from walking
around bridge, the clock is at toll point at entrance to bridge from
the fort side

anus905

but like, if you can follow two diff paths to 2 diff parks using valid interpretations, how can you negate that is part of the design?!? esp considering one is the park that 95% of people believe it is in.

Well, for me, there’s more that puts me in Lake Park, other than just choosing Mitchell Hall or Mitchell Mansion as a starting point.
The image of the Bowman and the verse reference to Congress (parkway/hotel) was enough to put Gasiorowski, Wrobel and James directly inside Grant Park, while skipping / missing the original meaning of ‘M and B’.
The image of the cicada (colloquially referred to as a ‘locust’, in these here parts), the millstone (which, looks like the stone storm drain located at the end of Locust Ravine Trail) and the verse reference to the Grand Staircase, is enough to get me next to the Bistro in Lake Park. While I may miss out on the historical references you’re great at looking up, I don’t have to decide whether to stroll along Downer, Welles or Kenwood (a third possibility).
“Do you have any advice for would-be hunters?’ — Mary Ann Childers
“Keep it simple” — Eric Gasiorowski

the treasure hunt clues are sometimes hard to solve but the directions you discern from them are almost always quite simple, even if hidden under a few layers of symbolism at times.
when you get to the entire puzzle though, this brings in secondary and sometimes even third readings of these clues.
I have 3 sets of 3 high posts in my complete SF solve, although only one directly relates to solving the treasure hunt part itself.
this is EXACTLY how mythology works. if you aren’t approaching this like a mythology, and/or aren’t familiar with how mythology works…you simply aren’t going to be able to solve these.
the texts that have specifically helped me solve this include: Dennis Tedlock’s Popl Vuh; Nabokov’s Where The Lightning Strikes; and writing (interpretations; ie how symbolism directs us to read narrative as viewers) about Vertigo (esp helped in SF bc there is a Movie/Vertigo theme to it) and Ben Wheatley’s A Field In England.
writing about AFIE especially set me up for this.

these are not just treasure hunts…the treasure hunts are secondary. to engage people.
the primary reason that Preiss created this book, was to fashion his legacy…as possibly the greatest mythologist in the history of America.
this is Preiss’ mythology of North America.
and it would blow even Homer away…

Unknown

Unknown:
“Keep it simple” — Eric Gasiorowski

“There’s no such thing as simple. Simple is hard.”–Martin Scorsese

Thank you CW!  i love those!  i am so horrible with the maps and too busy to get better
are you trying verse 6 with this image like WhiteRabbit?
i tried it, but the only thing i found was
hagiwara
was born
may, 1913
, which i couldn’t find any plaque or anything til i was doing your asian museum tour and cervantes was on
hagiwar
a tea garden drive
and st. francis (fountain) feeding the birds (stand and listen to the birds).
if verse 7 i ike  somewhere near cervantes because he is part of the rocks and mark twain loved him, even if he is spanish, he is on hagiwara drive.
http://stuffilikenet.wordpress.com/cate … ed/page/2/
CW i think the two solved ones were go straight (for miles)  and then turn left.  but i don’t think they will all be like that (who knows
).
i think that because this park is such a part of the image, that maybe you are already there when you use the verse.
i had a good pic of the friend gate which had the park shape on it (of course i can’t find it), but look at this on the entrance to the japanese tea garden (top and sides of picture),  it almost has the two half circles from the image (at the bottom of image 1):
http://indospectrum.com/photo/cd018_ent … ea_garden1
and look, that middle symbol almost has “JJP”

WhiteRabbit

Maybe some point below Geary further along…?

If you go right to the end and then drop down, you’re back at my other favourite haunt…
Anza. Between two armza.
(This route starts at the RLS plaque, takes you down a bit, along
Geary
from end to end, and down a bit, as described
here
. He was San Fransisco’s first Mayor. “Or May” always reminded me of “Mayor”.)

that reminded me WhiteRabbit, another thing for verse 6……..eyes of old…………abe lincoln, always called “old abe”…………lincoln way
and “bar that binds”=gate………and the white house close-the conservatory.
but i still like verse 6 with charleston

i did this in V6 too,sorry tried to delete it, for some reason it wouldnt let me
thought i would walk from GG pk,to the Ghirardelli sign ,and see what i can see
mostly i went,by the google dir it is 2.8 mi
took a detour over to new century and the sgt pk
http://tinyurl.com/6aqfqwn
Ghirardelli sign, the G & h backwards
from bay and larkin,at russian hill pk
http://tinyurl.com/67xr33s
how does the dir go again, a right a left,and a right ?
http://tinyurl.com/628prhl
slappy youll love these links
walking through GG PK Virtual Walking Tours
http://www.virtuar.com/ysf2/golden_gate_park.htm
San Francisco web site Index Virtual Walking Tours
http://www.virtuar.com/ysf2/search.htm
i dont think its here,i just have fond memories of buena vista park sf
back in the day, if you couldnt catch a bed or floor,this was ok, its
in the haight hood
http://www.yelp.com/biz_photos/M-oyI3PM … VgGjzDDcyA

Also at this site:
On the 8th “A” seen
…opposite another sign…(the “dragon scales” one is roughly between them)…
Embedded in the sand
(Under the beach natch. There’s a path running behind this one. Between that and the road is my best guess.)

It’s strange, this one. Matching “Gh” seems to work well with either Great Highway (Goldengate shape) or Ghirardelli (reversal and Alcatraz). BP may have been thinking of both.
Seems to me this image has a clue for 68 or 86. Her left finger is indicating a point eight squares down on the cuff, her right finger a point six squares down, and the loops in the dragon’s tail look like a vertical 68.
1668 –
Church
in Bush St
1868 –
Earthquake
1886 –
Balclutha
, moored by Ghirardelli
(Quite like that last one. Here’s a pic of Ghirardelli from the ship.)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/dave-monk/3520335658/
* * * * *
Coming back to the cinema…there’s a mass of possible associations (RLS/Edwin/Equity/Trade Unions/Pro-Union rallies/Juneteenth/The Birds/Union Square drinking fountain) along the plaque->cinema route for this verse. Not sure where it would go after “law defended” though. The route from Union Square to Macaulay is along Geary St. Seems like the
Geary Act
could be considered a “bar” on Chinese, and gears can “bind”. Maybe some point below Geary further along…?

OK, Without a shadow
of
a doubt this  image is San Francisco-
The 38 122 lon/lat numbers were a nice confirmer –
but
I
did some image manipulation with this one and have confirmed it to be SF.
Then it was trial and error to find the right corresponding verse. and using the internet – solved or confirmed almost all
of
the verse, it leads you along a certain path starting from a location specified in the picture.
getting more and more specific as you get to the end
of
the verse.
I
figure at this point
I
can point to within a mile or so
of
it.
Its funny first your not sure then suddenly you make a connection with a stanza and you just go doh!
I
hope to go to SF next week or so If
I
can’t get it to pan out
I
will post my translation and see what others can do with it.

OK, Without a shadow of a doubt this  image is San Francisco-
The 38 122 lon/lat numbers were a nice confirmer –
but I did some image manipulation with this one and have confirmed it to be SF.
Then it was trial and error to find the right corresponding verse. and using the internet – solved or confirmed almost all of the verse, it leads you along a certain path starting from a location specified in the picture.
getting more and more specific as you get to the end of the verse.
I figure at this point I can point to within a mile or so of it.
Its funny first your not sure then suddenly you make a connection with a stanza and you just go doh!
I hope to go to SF next week or so If I can’t get it to pan out I will post my translation and see what others can do with it.

the signs are the fort hamilton sign as you come over the verazanno bridge and the sign on fort ham high.

How do those signs “speak” of Indies Native. Next question: Why is Nearby Capitalized? and not included in the previous sentence. Also, Hard is Capitalized, and Vols. Did someone have happy fingers with the caps lock, or are these things important? Thanks again for all of the assistance that you accidentally give me Josh, I sincerely appreciate it. Have an excellent day! Adam

why would they have to?

that clue takes you to harding and outside nyc.

(the outside nyc location tells you the answer)

harding takes you to the statues of the south americans in central park, but mainly to the bolivar statue in cp. i believe there are 3 or 4 in all.

Actually route 58 DOES service Sansome St. and Filbert St. (see attached). So he COULD have seen “the sign nearby that speaks of Indies native” right there at the bus stop. Have an excellent day! Adam
http://tinypic.com/r/smrkvl/9

Indies native…is 58? a bus stop? a sign of what? Filbert? just post a picture of the sign so I could understand what you trying to refer

Brilliant! That’s a great idea! We need someone in SF to go to that Bus Stop at Sansome and Filbert Streets to take pictures of the Bus Stop sign. Although it won’t show what the sign would have looked like in 1982, you’d see a reference to Route 58 north servicing Hamilton and Novato. Great idea. Since I’m almost 3000 miles away (2957 to be exact) I can’t do it today. Maybe someone else? Thanks, Adam

LOL where it stops today would have very little to do with where it stopped in 1982. Mass Transit in SF has been re-invented at least twice since 1982 and if it is anything like my town, the bus stations, that were in use in 1982 have totally been replaced by other buildings and transit centers. so all of the city routes would be different. The only way this could be useful is find a period map with stops on it and then find a period photo of the street with the sign in question. shoot, even the cable cars stops and routes are different and those are literally set in concrete. imagine bus stops….

there’s definitely a 1:1 direct matched map, unless you’re blind

great highway and ghiradelli arent obvious? the background clues arent obvious? if you cant use the film clues to ground you in the city, you dont know what youre doing.

top left palace of fine arts….

JoshCornell

great highway and ghiradelli arent obvious? the background clues arent obvious? if you cant use the film clues to ground you in the city, you dont know what youre doing.

G and h were obvious….
but the highway…and the chocolate brand….really not seeing it.
The background view of the bay is obvious tho, I’d vouch for this one.

I might as well throw this one out to all of you Great hwy fans
what does a purple circle, 2 squares, and a triangle has anything to do with Great hwy? or Ghirardelli? Or whatever you think you know what this G and h were?
if you have answers to it, please provide visual evidences.
or quote out the exact line of the verse to back it up.

the verse doesnt pertain to the great highway, nor ghiradelli…but ghiradelli is most important location in all of the secret.

btw the collar designs do kinda relate to the gh, but they arent “on” it.
pretty sure im the only one who has broken the collar symbols.

pretty sure im only one who has got the side dress symbols too. lol

JoshCornell

the verse doesnt pertain to the great highway, nor ghiradelli…but ghiradelli is most important location in all of the secret.

you see I really respect your ideas, but if you could write a little bit more, provide a pic or link, something, anything, to back up your ideas, it would be much more appreciated.
“Ghiradelli is most important location in all of the secret”
why? saids who? of how?

Unknown

Unknown:
Pretty sure there are at least 2 people possibly 3 people here who have found casques.

None of those people have participated on this forum using their commonly accepted handle in months, and in the case of the Chicago group, years. Are they really “here”?

not willing to disclose this info at current time.

I applaud all of the great research and clue analysis done over the years and see that there are many valid visual references with Image 1 and SF. The symbols and letters specifically intrigue me because all of the connections you’ve made indicate that there are items visible in the Image from Coit Tower. Gh backwards with an almost matching font is pretty compelling, as are the water tower and other Alcatraz features depicted as symbols. The fact that TODAY the bus stop sign doesn’t match the signage or bus route markings of 1982 isn’t at issue, what I believe is that it is a strong PROBABILITY that there was a sign near Sansome and Filbert Streets telling folks of a Hamilton route bus. Since the bus was on that street going to Hamilton, that places the searcher in that area looking for the next clue, or on the bus riding to the next clue. Have an excellent day! Adam

Euhirudinea

None of those people have participated on this forum using their commonly accepted handle in months, and in the case of the Chicago group, years. Are they really “here”?

yes
lurking

jayheedan1

I think that’s exactly the way most of us feel, Preiss stated the more expensive the jewel the harder the puzzle. Not to say pearls are expensive but this maybe what he was alluding to.

I remember reading that too, but wouldn’t you think a pearl would be less expensive than say an emerald or a diamond? The emerald has been found and the diamond (image 2) has a very clear representation of a map of the Charleston area, something we are lacking here besides a vague rectangle that most people think corresponds to GGP.

uhhh chnatown and vertigo arent solid refs? id say they are pretty damned solidly grounded in sf if you ask me…and that’s ignoring everything else…like the chinese immigration theme, practically every single visual clue…should i continue? lol

JoshCornell

uhhh chnatown and vertigo arent solid refs? id say they are pretty damned solidly grounded in sf if you ask me…and that’s ignoring everything else…like the chinese immigration theme, practically every single visual clue…should i continue? lol

There’s plenty of references, themes, and allusions, but in my opinion we don’t have any 1:1 direct matches besides GGP I guess. Image 2 you can clearly see the map of Charleston, Image 3 you can clearly see Roanoke Island, Image 4 you can clearly see Ohio, Terminal Tower, the fountain, the pillars, Image 5 you can clearly see Illinois, the water tower, and the fence, etc.

Do any of the San Francisco hunters have any summer updates to post on where every one is? I and another member here on the forum did some probing in SHP last month. We now have two spots of interest. As you can imagine we were in stealth mode. I personally feel it was the Park Ranger uniforms that did the trick. Luckily no one spotted my orange running shoes. We did learn that July is not the best month to go probing as the ground was pretty hard. We intend to go back once the rainy season begins. Hope everyone is enjoying their summer.

Best month is actually June and July,
but you have to wait for the fog to come in and hide you…

Spooooky…
Large images pls post link.
https://richmondsfblog.com/wp-content/u … c6d0_k.jpg

Rviewer1

Do any of the San Francisco hunters have any summer updates to post on where every one is?

I might’ve missed your post but did you ever post the Chinese emigration connection to your solve?

I wouldn’t be surprised if Voltaire returned home with casque in tow. A little Googling and reading about Coit Tower leaves me very optimistic – it’s an attractive site.
Consider, for example, paintings #16 and #17 here…
http://www.coittower.org/murals/floorplan.html
…and compare their outlines to that of Image 1.
I would just keep an eye out for things alluded to in various verses, especially Verse 7. For example, if there is a statue of Mark Twain looking directly at a patch of sand, I would be encouraged!

Hello, I’m a newbie here, a longtime lurker and a friend of forest blight’s.
I’m in San Francisco on vacation right now, and I thought I’d have a go at this one.  I am assuming verse 7 and image 1 go together, and this morning I learned that Coit Tower on Telegraph Hill is one of three towers that have stood at that location.  The telegraph and other signal tower that once stood there may be “sounds from the sky,” though I’m not certain.  Also, several churches are visible from the top of the hill, though none of them are cathedral churches.
This location is a good deal closer to Ghirardelli Square than the Golden Gate Park, indeed only about twelve blocks away.
I hope I haven’t covered any old ground here, and I’m sorry if this post is inappropriate…

Good luck on your search Voltaire.  Keep us all posted.  If I were you, dont discount GGP just yet.  If you have time, you may just want to roam around the park and see if you spot something that maltedfalcon may have missed. (although mf is one sharp cookie)

If anyone would like me to take pictures of specific sites in SF, I am here until Saturday and able to photograph with a high-res digital camera.  Just send me a message and I’ll head out tomorrow.  I have already taken several dozen pictures of the area around Coit Tower, as I am convinced that the three high posts represent the three historical towers that have stood in succession atop this hill–a flag signaling tower, a telegraph tower, and the Coit memorial tower.  Each one is commemorated by notices around the top of Telegraph Hill.
Detailed pictures of these sights will follow, as will pictures from around Ghirardelli Square.  Anything else, just shoot me a message.

So MF I see where you are going on this and it does intrigue me as I explained on FB I have looked at this site virtually at least 20 times. I have also visited it in person but before my interest in the The Secret. Could I pick your brain a bit here, for where you are at with this?
1- Seeing fountain from aerial view I thought it resembled something pearl in painting but could not figure why it was different. So you feel the head is represented also, I can now see this?
2- The blob space often occurred to me as a possible match for the bay but I thought it was a stretch with the poor definition, but I did think the door and stone reference could be the bridge I like the illustrations you used for your thinking. do you think the door could also reference the Golden Gate inlet to the Bay?
3- I cannot quite see the Joan of Arc or the horse clearly in the picture so I am skeptical, do the copies posted here and FB not do your copies justice?
4- On your posts you show the crossed arms and Lincoln JFK profile, not getting your connection here?
5- I can buy into the Angel Island rose view, but why the table as the pool, is that old picture at the LOH?
6- How long have you been looking at this area, I take it since you shared this, your digs or location have been exhausted here?
I want to thank you for putting this out there as I feel you truly deserve to find the treasure or prove where it was, as your efforts have been both studious and relentless. So many have such huge egos but are not willing to be open minded to new, unique or more exact solutions and feel they have all the answers, only to get upset when their theories are shot down. That is why I post so many different areas and polls relating to areas on FB, I want to just throw it out there and see if more experienced sleuths can either shut it down or run with it. And yes I do get a bit resentful sometimes when a new theory is destroyed, but I do like this one and hope it brings the end game on sooner!

Unknown

Unknown:
Save it for the slow spill.

Save what for the “Slow Spill” WR? There doesn’t seem to be anything here that belongs in that thread either.

Euhirudinea

Save what for the “Slow Spill” WR? There doesn’t seem to be anything here that belongs in that thread either.

why is it slow anyway? and why does information need to be saved?

strike13

why is it slow anyway? and why does information need to be saved?

There is a somewhat tangential strategy involved that prompts it to be slow. The primary strategy of the thread is to release a lot of information, mostly fact, with little-to-no opinion. The tangential strategy is the AKA portion, which involves waiting for opportune times to post it.

Could Alcatraz be the iconic image for SF?

Unknown

Unknown:
why is it slow anyway

I’m pretty sure this question was addressed in the thread Strike. But in case it was a casualty of the purge, the short answer is to give people a chance to figure things out for themselves*. It’s still a puzzle, isn’t it?
*Note: I am not now, nor have I ever claimed to have all the answers. And I have retrieved the exact same number of casques as most of the posters on this forum, which is to say the the next one I dig up will be my first. All I am saying is that there has to be an objective, logical way to solve this puzzle, and the next person who can put all the steps together is the person most likely to find Casque #3, or lead someone else directly to it.
*Note to White Rabbit: This belongs in the “Slow Spill” thread.

Euhirudinea

I’m pretty sure this question was addressed in the thread Strike. But in case it was a casualty of the purge, the short answer is to give people a chance to figure things out for themselves*. It’s still a puzzle, isn’t it?
*Note: I am not now, nor have I ever claimed to have all the answers. And I have retrieved the exact same number of casques as most of the posters on this forum, which is to say the the next one I dig up will be my first. All I am saying is that there has to be an objective, logical way to solve this puzzle, and the next person who can put all the steps together is the person most likely to find Casque #3, or lead someone else directly to it.
*Note to White Rabbit: This belongs in the “Slow Spill” thread.

haha casualty of the purge
I know what you mean….it is a fun, maddening puzzle

Check this out guys – source of dragon – scroll down –
http://cultofthegreeniguana.blogspot.co … tatue.html

maltedfalcon

Oh and it doesn’t necessarily lead to a “Park” it just leads to the area the casque was buried.

Hey MF, great work! I want to make sure I did not miss anything. So we’re running north but first across in jewels direction.
Is your jewel based on TLOH where you placed the the pic? Also when we cross the GGB and continue north to the object of Twain’s attention, then Giant pole, Giant step to the place the casque is kept? You don’t have to tell me of where you are thinking but is my understanding of how you laid it out correct?

WhiteRabbit

A 2002 statue in Philadelphia?

Dragons are so iconic and depicted in so many instances, it would take a *precise* and *exact* overlay match to make any claims. A wavy S-shape does not appear to be any source for the curls and loops in our image, neither a random dragon artwork nor the path of Lombard Street. While I am open to being convinced of a template source, I’ll be happy with the artist having the freedom to generate his own dragon for symbolic meaning rather than a guidepost.

catherwood

Dragons are so iconic and depicted in so many instances, it would take a *precise* and *exact* overlay match to make any claims. A wavy S-shape does not appear to be any source for the curls and loops in our image, neither a random dragon artwork nor the path of Lombard Street. While I am open to being convinced of a template source, I’ll be happy with the artist having the freedom to generate his own dragon for symbolic meaning rather than a guidepost.

This to me is pretty much an exact match. Bump on the head matches, placement of the teeth match, the outcrop of the nose matches and the curve on the neck matches. I have not seen anything close to a match then the Iron work.

Goonie68

This to me is pretty much an exact match. Bump on the head matches, placement of the teeth match, the outcrop of the nose matches and the curve on the neck matches. I have not seen anything close to a match then the Iron work.

You’re talking about a completely different dragon, though.

Rviewer1

No we are not
running
north, Highway 1 runs north but first across the golden gate bridge, as you look out from the legion of honor this is the view directly in front of the arched barred gate.
we are at the legion of honor.
These are all things we see around us without moving.
Highway 1/Golden Gate Bridges.
Angel Island
Sutro Tower
San Francisco University and San Francisco Law School
The Legion of honor
El Cid Statue (giant pole)
Joan of Arc.
Fort Point
The Fountain
The seaman’s monument
the parking lot
Golf balls
Just out of sight
the windows with the sleeve design
the coast that matches the left arm
Golden Gate Park
Does that make sense?

Rviewer1

No we are not running north, Highway 1 runs north but first across the golden gate bridge, as you look out from the legion of honor this is the view directly in front of the arched barred gate.
we are at the legion of honor.
These are all things we see around us without moving.
Highway 1/Golden Gate Bridges.
Angel Island
Sutro Tower
San Francisco University and San Francisco Law School
The Legion of honor
El Cid Statue (giant pole)
Joan of Arc.
Fort Point
The Fountain
The seaman’s monument
the parking lot
Golf balls
Just out of sight
the windows with the sleeve design
the coast that matches the left arm
Golden Gate Park
Does that make sense?

Hey MF. Found a few images of interest in Lincoln Park. Have you investigated this yet? It can be seen from LoH Drive on the right hand side. Sits between holes 1 & 13.
Couldn’t find an image that shows a good view of the back side.
Apparently it is an old Chinese cemetery plot. According to
https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Places-in-San-Francisco-you-had-no-idea-used-to-10418610.php
, “On Hole 1 just off the fairway, you’ll run into an out-of-place cement structure with Cantonese writing on top. It’s a Chinese funerary structure where the dead were kept before being buried, with food and other offerings for the dead.” I was reading that the Chinese portion of the old cemetery encompassed fairway holes 1 & 13.
The top right side of the post has a shape very similar to the top of the pocket watch in the image.

Merlot Brougham

OK great, let’s say for argument purposes that,
The head neck of the dragon in the image is without a doubt based on a photo that BP took and sent to JJP
Now do we care?, yes sure, but does it rise to the level of a clue that we need to know to resolve the puzzle…?
a 1 foot tall phoenix(peacock) on an obscure senior center on the backside of Golden Gate Park….
I see it as local color.. it is near 34th ave. it is part of Golden Gate Park, therefore it makes our image of Golden Gate Park more authentic.
it certainly could be something that a local would recognize. but again on the level of “hey there’s the Chicago Water tower, With windmill arms,, it must mean the windy city!!”
But I do not in any way see it as a clue that helps guide us…. but that’s just my opinion, YMMV.

You’re talking about a completely different dragon, though.
Yes, but how does a dragon dedicated in 2004 have anything to do with this puzzle?

maltedfalcon

OK great, let’s say for argument purposes that,
The head neck of the dragon in the image is without a doubt based on a photo that BP took and sent to JJP
Now do we care?, yes sure, but does it rise to the level of a clue that we need to know to resolve the puzzle…?
a 1 foot tall phoenix(peacock) on an obscure senior center on the backside of Golden Gate Park….
I see it as local color.. it is near 34th ave. it is part of Golden Gate Park, therefore it makes our image of Golden Gate Park more authentic.
it certainly could be something that a local would recognize. but again on the level of “hey there’s the Chicago Water tower, With windmill arms,, it must mean the windy city!!”
But I do not in any way see it as a clue that helps guide us…. but that’s just my opinion, YMMV.

The verse states” At stone walls door”….how do you verify which door? We are looking for a door correct? If we know that the map is GGP and looking from the outside working in (for people who think that GGP is the location of the casque) our “Bowman” would be the iron work above the door to confirm that is the Door. Getting to the door is a whole other discussion.

Goonie68

The verse states” At stone walls door”….how do you verify which door? We are looking for a door correct? If we know that the map is GGP and looking from the outside working in (for people who think that GGP is the location of the casque) our “Bowman” would be the iron work above the door to confirm that is the Door. Getting to the door is a whole other discussion.

Door, gate, hole in the wall – my guess is you should look to the image to confirm the door. there are many ideas for this, this is mine.

OK great, let’s say for argument purposes that,
The head neck of the dragon in the image is without a doubt based on a photo that BP took and sent to JJP
Now do we care?, yes sure, but does it rise to the level of a clue that we need to know to resolve the puzzle…?
a 1 foot tall phoenix(peacock) on an obscure senior center on the backside of Golden Gate Park….
I see it as local color.. it is near 34th ave. it is part of Golden Gate Park, therefore it makes our image of Golden Gate Park more authentic.
it certainly could be something that a local would recognize. but again on the level of “hey there’s the Chicago Water tower, With windmill arms,, it must mean the windy city!!”
But I do not in any way see it as a clue that helps guide us…. but that’s just my opinion, YMMV.
The verse states” At stone walls door”….how do you verify which door? We are looking for a door correct? If we know that the map is GGP and looking from the outside working in (for people who think that GGP is the location of the casque) our “Bowman” would be the iron work above the door to confirm that is the Door. Getting to the door is a whole other discussion.
I like Jackson Sq for Stonewall…Stonewall Jackson.
Sorry, I’ll just stick to Boston

maltedfalcon

Door, gate, hole in the wall – my guess is you should look to the image to confirm the door. there are many ideas for this, this is mine.

I have looked at the image, I do not think that is a door, IMO it looks more like a window with bars. I think it is a combination of two objects, the shape resembles the old De Young window high up the tower, and the bars could be represented by the police academy, Alcatraz, Justices and so on. The LOH entry way IMO does not look anything like the object in the illustration, but that’s just me. I am not knocking your idea, I do think that area has a lot of potential, but where I am at there is much evidence that points to GGP.

Goonie68

I have looked at the image, I do not think that is a door, IMO it looks more like a window with bars.

of course the verse does not say “At stone wall’s window…

Unknown

Unknown:
I have looked at the image, I do not think that is a door, IMO it looks more like a window with bars. I think it is a combination of two objects, the shape resembles the old De Young window high up the tower, and the bars could be represented by the police academy, Alcatraz, Justices and so on. The LOH entry way IMO does not look anything like the object in the illustration, but that’s just me. I am not knocking your idea, I do think that area has a lot of potential, but where I am at there is much evidence that points to GGP.

What you have to remember is that there are a lot of references in the image you can match to so many different things. Having lived near SF for 17 years and a visitor to GGP hundreds of times, there are arched doorways and windows everywhere. You are correct that it looks like the De Young window.
Also keep in mind we may not necessarily be looking for a door. Other meanings of door: doorway, portal, opening, entrance, entry, exit… The LoH image mf has presented is dead on if you stood directly in front of the LoH, turned and then looked into the courtyard. That archway is a “portal” into the courtyard where the columns sit further back, using depth perception to bring two images into one. Stone might not necessarily mean natural stone. Exhibit A: the Chicago solve… Where M & B are set in stone. Stone in that case was concrete.
I’m not saying you are wrong, just trying to offer a different perspective as to what stone & door could mean . From what we know from the solves, you will get that “a-ha” moment when you see it.
stone wall’s door…
concrete entrance
concrete portal
concrete door…
Keep up the hunt! You never know when some obscure clue may be important.

maltedfalcon

No we are not
running
north, Highway 1 runs north but first across the golden gate bridge, as you look out from the legion of honor this is the view directly in front of the arched barred gate.
we are at the legion of honor.
These are all things we see around us without moving.
Highway 1/Golden Gate Bridges.
Angel Island
Sutro Tower
San Francisco University and San Francisco Law School
The Legion of honor
El Cid Statue (giant pole)
Joan of Arc.
Fort Point
The Fountain
The seaman’s monument
the parking lot
Golf balls
Just out of sight
the windows with the sleeve design
the coast that matches the left arm
Golden Gate Park
Does that make sense?

Yes it does. I think you’re spot on it. So then what we are looking for is the “ Giant step to the place the casque is kept”. I have been trying to work out the Giant step. So far I have a “Mark Twain” which is two fathoms or 12 feet. I also have a San Francisco Giants step which would be 90 feet which is the distance to get to each base.

maltedfalcon

No we are not running north, Highway 1 runs north but first across the golden gate bridge, as you look out from the legion of honor this is the view directly in front of the arched barred gate.
we are at the legion of honor.
These are all things we see around us without moving.
Highway 1/Golden Gate Bridges.
Angel Island
Sutro Tower
San Francisco University and San Francisco Law School
The Legion of honor
El Cid Statue (giant pole)
Joan of Arc.
Fort Point
The Fountain
The seaman’s monument
the parking lot
Golf balls
Just out of sight
the windows with the sleeve design
the coast that matches the left arm
Golden Gate Park
Does that make sense?

Yes it does. I think you’re spot on it. So then what we are looking for is the “ Giant step to the place the casque is kept”. I have been trying to work out the Giant step. So far I have a “Mark Twain” which is two fathoms or 12 feet. I also have a San Francisco Giants step which would be 90 feet which is the distance to get to each base.

Unknown

Unknown:
Yes, but how does a dragon dedicated in 2004 have anything to do with this puzzle?

Not a damn thing. A dragon in Philadelphia is as relevant to the hunt in San Francisco as Montreal, Wisconsin is to the hunt in Canada. Consider the source, and draw your own conclusions.

MERLIN

Check this out guys – source of dragon – scroll down –
http://cultofthegreeniguana.blogspot.co … tatue.html

A 2002 statue in Philadelphia?

C,mon Rabbit…..Where’s the love????

There’s a time and a place. Save it for the slow spill.

maltedfalcon

of course the verse does not say “At stone wall’s window…

Of course it does not say window, I am not using the object in the rock as a door…

Euhirudinea

Not a damn thing. A dragon in Philadelphia is as relevant to the hunt in San Francisco as Montreal, Wisconsin is to the hunt in Canada. Consider the source, and draw your own conclusions.

Thanks for clearing that up

SoonerFan

just to keep the GG Park – Coit Tower tug of war going, I’m going to add another tug in the GG Park direction…
kind of like this one? (bottom right on link – its Japanese though)
http://www.lightight.com/GGP/mem_images/Mem3P11.html

My bad.
Yeah, that’s what I was looking for.

SoonerFan

just to keep the GG Park – Coit Tower tug
of
war going,
I
‘m going to add another tug in the GG Park direction…
kind
of
like this one? (bottom right on link – its Japanese though)
http://www.lightight.com/GGP/mem_images/Mem3P11.html

My bad.
Yeah, that’s what
I
was looking for.

Hm. Been a very long time since I’ve posted.
I really should, but I haven’t read the whole topic thread on this image.
While gazing at image 1 (in normal orientation), I wonder if I’m the only one who sees a faint outline of the Coit Tower, with its distinctive squared-off “step” at the bottom of of the shaft just to the left of the rose, the side of the shaft going up from that step, the place where the shaft narrows, and very faintly the arched windows and round top above that.
If I’m correct, I’d guess that this would be a city identifier, with less chance of being an actual location clue in the city.

I reread all the posts in this topic. Nobody else mentioned the possible image of the Coit Tower hidden where I think I see it.
While I’m at it, the winder on the watch is an, ahem, dead ringer for a cable car bell, as distinctively mounted on some SF cable cars. This may also lend confirmation to the interpretation of the outline of the upper part of the pillar under the table being in the shape of a cable car. I don’t believe anyone mentioned this one, either.
Those who favor derived clues may find something in “table” and “cable car” —> “cable car round table” —> “cable car turntable”, of which there are (I believe) three, quite popular with tourists.

Scrappy929

Another thought on the symbols along the lower left side and lower center…
There is a particular symbol which looks to be a triangle above an inverted triangle (invert) and another symbol which appears to be a capital D with it’s mirror image D (mirror). Could this be telling us to invert and mirror the image for a specific reason? For example, the yin yang symbol in the original image is obviously not oriented correctly. If we invert and mirror the image, we then have our yin yang symbol in the correct orientation.
Anyone else have thoughts about any of the symbols?

The lowest symbol on the left side if you tilt it sideways looking at it from outside in looks like the Golden Gate Bridge with the cables going over one of the towers. So it really looks like half of the Golden Gate Bridge. Either that or a sailing ship.
The symbol above it if you tilt it slightly to the right looks like the masks worn in Shakespeare plays.

Scrappy929

Another thought on the symbols along the lower left side and lower center…
There is a particular symbol which looks to be a triangle above an inverted triangle (invert) and another symbol which appears to be a capital D with it’s mirror image D (mirror). Could this be telling us to invert and mirror the image for a specific reason? For example, the yin yang symbol in the original image is obviously not oriented correctly. If we invert and mirror the image, we then have our yin yang symbol in the correct orientation.
Anyone else have thoughts about any
of
the symbols?

The lowest symbol on the left side if you tilt it sideways looking at it from outside in looks like the Golden Gate Bridge with the cables going over one
of
the towers. So it really looks like half
of
the Golden Gate Bridge. Either that or a sailing ship.
The symbol above it if you tilt it slightly to the right looks like the masks worn in Shakespeare plays.

The numbers , randomly placed, don’t line up.
But, it is close to Telegraph Hill, Coit Tower, Chinatown and the Willie “Woo Woo” Wong Playground:
http://sfrecpark.org/destination/willie-woo-woo-wong-playground/
So, run with it.
Why not?

Mister EZ

The numbers , randomly placed, don’t line up.
But, it is close to Telegraph Hill, Coit Tower, Chinatown and the Willie “Woo Woo” Wong Playground:
http://sfrecpark.org/destination/willie-woo-woo-wong-playground/
So, run with it.
Why not?

Numbers are not randomly placed. They are placed by size match. From large to small. You guys are Debbie downers!

https://youtu.be/1eeHXCxbyn8

Hey for everybody thinking about the ferry building and the wharfs along the embaradero of SF.
Keep in mind it is not anything at all like it was then.
there is an entire freeway (google embarcadero freeway) that is no longer there.
and since the freeway basically walled that area off from the rest of SF, nobody went over there who didn’t have to.

Hey for everybody thinking about the ferry building and the wharfs along the embaradero
of
SF.
Keep in mind it is not anything at all like it was then.
there is an entire freeway (google embarcadero freeway) that is no longer there.
and since the freeway basically walled that area off from the rest
of
SF, nobody went over there who didn’t have to.

This might’ve been pointed out before but the two paintings with arched top, keyhole shaped borders are NYC and SF. These paintings could be maps viewed from arched locations. In case of NYC perhaps Chrysler building and Coit tower for SF.

This might’ve been pointed out before but the two paintings with arched top, keyhole shaped borders are NYC and SF. These paintings could be maps viewed from arched locations. In case
of
NYC perhaps Chrysler building and Coit tower for SF.

So?

Spiritr

So?

So more spots can be seen from height of a building than ground level for those people who are concerned about seeing all the clues from the destination.

Spiritr

So?

So more spots can be seen from height
of
a building than ground level for those people who are concerned about seeing all the clues from the destination.

maltedfalcon

or perhaps its just a clock, there are several others in the images. Would they all point to Greenwich st?

Unknown

Unknown:
He is depicted twice in Jack London’s novels: as Russ Brissenden in the autobiographical Martin Eden (1909) and as Mark Hall in The Valley of the Moon (1913).

Indeed, I just finished a very loose interpretation starting with Transamerica building as the iconic image off on the left side with the half/partial image outline, taking the diagonal street Columbus on a whim (i.e. I don’t know why or why not yet), then turning left on Bay St. (again, not sure why, maybe the little blue patch between partial building outline and woman’s head), then just before the intersection of Larkin and Bay where just the “Gh” (reverse that) comes into view there is a stair leading southward up to the Russian Open Space resevoir (Giant Step?), continue on a block to the stone retaining wall breaks for a diagonal stairway leading into the center of the George Sterling Memorial/Alice Marble tennis park area.  It was just a side note rather than an impulse that lead to the idea that Greenwich could actually be for what the watch in this image means.
Again, a very loose interpretation, but from that area a lot of things surrounding previous discussions fit into place.  Two blocks away from Ghirradeli the air probably still smells sweet.  The barred door/window in the mountain might still represent the Golden Gate Bridge, the GG Park is near, perhaps in view, the Sutro Tower must be visible, but I don’t know for sure.
An alternate iconic image might be the watch-wind and table base which looks like just about any light post in the historic downtown of SF where you can catch a rail car that goes up Columbia and turns down Bay…I don’t know, is(was) there a MUNI line that did that?
I really really like this site, as the aerial photos from 1980 indicate nothing much has changed to the grounds around the courts.  The interpretation of “Education and Justice” might lend itself to the tennis “court” equating to Justice.  Now there just needs to be a school nearby.
Edit; about George Sterling, the wiki has some trivia that caught my eye:
Could this be why there are so many moons in the sky of the image?

maltedfalcon

or perhaps its just a clock, there are several others in the images. Would they all point to Greenwich st?

Unknown

Unknown:
He is depicted twice in Jack London’s novels: as Russ Brissenden in the autobiographical Martin Eden (1909) and as Mark Hall in The Valley of the Moon (1913).

Indeed, I just finished a very loose interpretation starting with Transamerica building as the iconic image off on the left side with the half/partial image outline, taking the diagonal street Columbus on a whim (i.e. I don’t know why or why not yet), then turning left on Bay St. (again, not sure why, maybe the little blue patch between partial building outline and woman’s head), then just before the intersection of Larkin and Bay where just the “Gh” (reverse that) comes into view there is a stair leading southward up to the Russian Open Space resevoir (Giant Step?), continue on a block to the stone retaining wall breaks for a diagonal stairway leading into the center of the George Sterling Memorial/Alice Marble tennis park area.  It was just a side note rather than an impulse that lead to the idea that Greenwich could actually be for what the watch in this image means.
Again, a very loose interpretation, but from that area a lot of things surrounding previous discussions fit into place.  Two blocks away from Ghirradeli the air probably still smells sweet.  The barred door/window in the mountain might still represent the Golden Gate Bridge, the GG Park is near, perhaps in view, the
Sutro
Tower must be visible, but I don’t know for sure.
An alternate iconic image might be the watch-wind and table base which looks like just about any light post in the historic downtown of SF where you can catch a rail car that goes up Columbia and turns down Bay…I don’t know, is(was) there a MUNI line that did that?
I really really like this site, as the aerial photos from 1980 indicate nothing much has changed to the grounds around the courts.  The interpretation of “Education and Justice” might lend itself to the tennis “court” equating to Justice.  Now there just needs to be a school nearby.
Edit; about George Sterling, the wiki has some trivia that caught my eye:
Could this be why there are so many moons in the sky of the image?

I dont think you can actually see it from the casque site because of the Giant step. But thats still just a theory.

I’m focused on Alice Marble Tennis Court area now.  Not 100% but the stone wall is like a door for the steps.
I wonder if the watch is a reference to Greenwich street.

or perhaps its just a clock, there are several others in the images. Would they all point to Greenwich st?

bbi

… Its still a work in progress but it sounds like your investigating the general area I’m at so thought I’d share.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1KmJNDN … sp=sharing

I still have issues with the starting and ending of the verse.
If your starting point is the “stonewall’s door” then your sweet smell solution is a literal smell when the Japanese translation specifically mentioned it’s a metaphor.
Looking at the painting and the Chinese connection one can safely assume the stonewall (dragon in the painting) is reference to the great wall of China and it’s door wide open is dragon’s mouth that is in the shape of the cove.
That being said, the stonewall and sweet smell (of success) is the destination and NOT the starting point.
You have a problem interpreting Giant pole and step because if you take a giant step you’re at the bottom of the cliff!
Giant pole and step is the starting point.
This is also confirmed by the waymarkers that are not included in your solve i.e. Coit tower under the smallest moon,
pier
43, baseball (DiMaggio) and so on.

bbi

… Its still a work in progress but it sounds like your investigating the general area I’m at so thought I’d share.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1KmJNDN … sp=sharing

I still have issues with the starting and ending of the verse.
If your starting point is the “stonewall’s door” then your sweet smell solution is a literal smell when the Japanese translation specifically mentioned it’s a metaphor.
Looking at the painting and the Chinese connection one can safely assume the stonewall (dragon in the painting) is reference to the great wall of China and it’s door wide open is dragon’s mouth that is in the shape of the cove.
That being said, the stonewall and sweet smell (of success) is the destination and NOT the starting point.
You have a problem interpreting Giant pole and step because if you take a giant step you’re at the bottom of the cliff!
Giant pole and step is the starting point.
This is also confirmed by the waymarkers that are not included in your solve i.e. Coit tower under the smallest moon, pier 43, baseball (DiMaggio) and so on.

bbi

… Its still a work in progress but it sounds like your investigating the general area
I
‘m at so thought
I
‘d share.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1KmJNDN … sp=sharing

I
still have issues with the starting and ending
of
the verse.
If your starting point is the “stonewall’s door” then your sweet smell solution is a literal smell when the Japanese translation specifically mentioned it’s a metaphor.
Looking at the painting and the Chinese connection one can safely assume the stonewall (dragon in the painting) is reference to the great wall
of
China and it’s door wide open is dragon’s mouth that is in the shape
of
the cove.
That being said, the stonewall and sweet smell (
of
success) is the destination and NOT the starting point.
You have a problem interpreting Giant pole and step because if you take a giant step you’re at the bottom
of
the cliff!
Giant pole and step is the starting point.
This is also confirmed by the waymarkers that are not included in your solve
i
.e. Coit tower under the smallest moon, pier 43, baseball (DiMaggio) and so on.

Just for fun!
“I Dream of Jeannie” connection:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ND1MXF-svtQ
Note the position of her arms as if she’s casting a spell like the Jeannie.
Apollo connection?
From page 16 of The Secret:
“Now, in the eternal whirlwinds above Persia’s
Mountains of Ka.f, appeared a caravan of magicwrought
carpets, and upon them rode the banished
elder spirits of Araby: monstrous Deevs, desert-born
giants; the Peri, bright and beautiful as starlight; and
the wish-granting Djinn, formed of smokeless fire, at
last free from Man’s lamps and bottles.”
[ADDED:] Does the table turned upside down look kinda like the Jeannie lamp with a handle?

Just for fun!
“
I
Dream
of
Jeannie” connection:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ND1MXF-svtQ
Note the position
of
her arms as if she’s casting a spell like the Jeannie.
Apollo connection?
From page 16
of
The Secret:
“Now, in the eternal whirlwinds above Persia’s
Mountains
of
Ka.f, appeared a caravan
of
magicwrought
carpets, and upon them rode the banished
elder spirits
of
Araby: monstrous Deevs, desert-born
giants; the Peri, bright and beautiful as starlight; and
the wish-granting Djinn, formed
of
smokeless fire, at
last free from Man’s lamps and bottles.”
[ADDED:] Does the table turned upside down look kinda like the Jeannie lamp with a handle?

I think this is a Must Have Document for anyone with The Aquatic Park Area as their cask burial site.
cultural_ldscape_rpt_opimized.pdf
If this link does not work, it can be found by searching… Cultural Landscape Report. Aquatic Park National Park Service.
Hope it helps, as it answers a lot of ‘Date’ issues. And includes some fabulous photos.

I
think this is a Must Have Document for anyone with The Aquatic Park Area as their cask burial site.
cultural_ldscape_rpt_opimized.pdf
If this link does not work, it can be found by searching… Cultural Landscape Report. Aquatic Park National Park Service.
Hope it helps, as it answers a lot
of
‘Date’ issues. And includes some fabulous photos.

Thanks for the great pdf Halcon.
An area of interest is the Bocce ball courts that may explain the 3 round balls.
Also there’s a 1967 Commemorative fountain nearby, thumbnail image on page 57, image 9. It’s shape is similar to the shadow under pearl.

Thanks for the great pdf Halcon.
An area
of
interest is the Bocce ball courts that may explain the 3 round balls.
Also there’s a 1967 Commemorative fountain nearby, thumbnail image on page 57, image 9. It’s shape is similar to the shadow under pearl.

The Secret, San Francisco Solution by slowrisingwhitebread
Painting 1, Verse 7
Here is my solution to the San Francisco puzzle. Please go through the proper channels if you choose to dig at this spot.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1KJGKIiH97ksPLJIXXsW3V1OEP6pad4f_bjcy4-oqvzE/edit?usp=sharing

Choice

Thanks for the great pdf Halcon.
An area of interest is the Bocce ball courts that may explain the 3 round balls.
Also there’s a 1967 Commemorative fountain nearby, thumbnail image on page 57, image 9. It’s shape is similar to the shadow under pearl.

Hi Choice,
As with the tombstone match the other day, I’d like to also back up the Bocce Court icon match. This time I’m attaching my written solve (rather than the google earth movie ). In that you’ll see I have also used the bocce court as a way marker along with another possibility for the 3 circles. There are a few things in the PDF I wanted to clean up such as the roman numeral 6 upside down as I believe that is actually illustrating the clock tower at Ghirardelli and not what I state in the PDF. Its still a work in progress but it sounds like your investigating the general area I’m at so thought I’d share.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1KmJNDN … sp=sharing

Choice

Thanks for the great pdf Halcon.
An area
of
interest is the Bocce ball courts that may explain the 3 round balls.
Also there’s a 1967 Commemorative fountain nearby, thumbnail image on page 57, image 9. It’s shape is similar to the shadow under pearl.

Hi Choice,
As with the tombstone match the other day,
I
‘d like to also back up the Bocce Court icon match. This time
I
‘m attaching my written solve (rather than the google earth movie ). In that you’ll see
I
have also used the bocce court as a way marker along with another possibility for the 3 circles. There are a few things in the PDF
I
wanted to clean up such as the roman numeral 6 upside down as
I
believe that is actually illustrating the clock tower at Ghirardelli and not what
I
state in the PDF. Its still a work in progress but it sounds like your investigating the general area
I
‘m at so thought
I
‘d share.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1KmJNDN … sp=sharing

Durian

Very nice find MrBackstop!!!
Let me add to it from my solve’s perspective: The boat (emigrating to the New World) could well represent the San Carlos—first ship to enter into San Francisco Bay—memorialized by the plaque on the ‘San Carlos’ stone a giant step from the East speaker tower. (BTW, you’ve been referring to it incorrectly as the San Marcos stone, probably thinking of St. Augustine. Too many puzzles!
Regardless of bleacher wall or stone/plaque, IMO that casque is SOOOOOOO in Aquatic Park.

Thanks Durian, I couldn’t agree more. And yeah, I keep saying Marcos all the damn time….San Carlos, San Carlos, San Carlos…..got it.
I’ve been working on Page 199 in the book now. It is all about Houston and Hermann park. Very cool artwork clues all over that page as well.

Durian

Very nice find MrBackstop!!!
Let me add to it from my solve’s perspective: The boat (emigrating to the New World) could well represent the San Carlos—first ship to enter into San Francisco Bay—memorialized by the plaque on the ‘San Carlos’ stone a giant step from the East speaker tower. (BTW, you’ve been referring to it incorrectly as the San Marcos stone, probably thinking
of
St. Augustine. Too many puzzles!
Regardless
of
bleacher wall or stone/plaque, IMO that casque is SOOOOOOO in Aquatic Park.

Thanks Durian,
I
couldn’t agree more. And yeah,
I
keep saying Marcos all the damn time….San Carlos, San Carlos, San Carlos…..got it.
I
‘ve been working on Page 199 in the book now. It is all about Houston and Hermann park. Very cool artwork clues all over that page as well.